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July 5, 2004
Child Abuse

As Helpful Spook has posted in an earlier comment, a German TV magazine, Report Mainz, will today report on child abuse in US prisons in Iraq. Their press announcement (in German) refers to a statement form an ICRC official in Genvea: “Between January and Mai of this year we have registered 107 children during 19 visitations at 6 different locations. All those location were under control of coalition troops.”
The magazine did get its hand on an internal UNICEF document. There it is mentioned, that UNICEF is trying to get access to a special prison for children, errected by coalition forces. In July 2003 UNICEF requested to get access to this prision which was denied. “Unsufficient security in the area of the prison” forstalled visits by independend observers “since December 2003”.
An Aljazeera Reporter who had been imprisoned in Abu Graibh describes to the magazine how a 12 year old girl was bashed by US soldiers. The journalist reports of a prison for children: “When they did bring me to my prison cell, there was a camp for children, young, under age of puberty. For sure there were hundreds of children in this camp.”

Author Rick Pearlstein took notes (via Brad De Long) at a Seymour Hersh lecture: ´He said he had seen all the Abu Ghraib pictures. He said, “You haven’t begun to see evil…” then trailed off. He said, “horrible things done to children of women prisoners, as the cameras run.”.´

Sgt. Samuel Provance, of the 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion has witnessed specific cases and talks about it.

The UNICEF document Report Mainz has explains the outcome: “The percieved unjustified imprisonment of male Iraqis including juveniles … is becoming the main reason for the growing frustration of Iraqi adolescent and a potential for the radicalisation of this population group.”

As Richard Clarke writes in his book review on “Imperial Hybris”: “The Iraq invasion gave a new cause to the jihadists and new evidence to Arab militants that Americans are the “new crusaders” – i.e., foreign infidels bent on conquest. The result has been more recruits, more suicide bombers and more money to the jihadists.”

The child abuse by coalition troops will give something more valueable to the jihadists. A fresh generation of fighters, already deeply motivated to defeat their enemies at any costs.

Comments

Let’s wait a little longer for more details to come out. If Hersh has safe info on this, he will publish it. Child-abuse may be the last nail in Rumsfeld’s coffin. And in Bush’s hopefully. Still, I’d prefer it were not true, for the sake of the children.

Posted by: teuton | Jul 5 2004 17:57 utc | 1

I think Hersh has a lot to say. For his own reasons–and I trust they’re good ones–he’s biding his time. And so are we….

Posted by: alabama | Jul 5 2004 17:58 utc | 2

If Hersh has seen the photos, that probably means that he has them in his possession — and will release them if needed.
I hope it will not be necessary — but the tenacity with which the Bush Gangsters hold onto power makes me think it will take everything in our arsenal to dislodge them from their bunkers.

Posted by: ck | Jul 5 2004 18:32 utc | 3

Finally made it into the comments!
Those in possession of such damning evidence may be waiting for one of two things:
– exposure via “nonpartisan” sources
– closer to the election (autumn surprise)
I realize that the VRWC will paint as “partisan” ANYONE who contradicts the landscape of their internal fantasyland. Sy Hersh has already been slimed as practically a “terrorist” after all. To sway the undecided (or convert where possible) the source and timing will matter hugely.
Good work, Bernhard, Helpful Spook.

Posted by: OkieByAccident | Jul 5 2004 18:54 utc | 4

There was a report, I think in the comments of Kevin Drum, reported by Atrios and Kos diaries, of someone attending a conference with Sy Hersh, and he said that we only saw the milder pics and there were far worse abuses going on, kids molested before their mothers notably. And the commenter added that at the end, Hersh looked truly scared – though it wasn’t clear if he was scared of what he saw and hadn’t yet reported about, or by the extremes to which Bushco was ready to go, meaning also fearing for his own security.
So, like with the original suspicions that “Middle Easterners involved in Abu Ghraib” could also mean Israelis, it seems that initial fears and suspicions are slowly being confirmed.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jul 5 2004 19:28 utc | 5

This is disgusting and unbelievable – it is still getting worse. This is so sad, I don’t even feel like commenting.
Just found a english translation of the Spiegel report.
Der Spiegel: More Than 100 Children Imprisoned;Report Of Abuse By U.S. Soldiers

Posted by: Fran | Jul 5 2004 19:42 utc | 6

I am so cynical these days.
Where are the ICRC et al. located?
Switzerland, home of the bankers. They win win win no matter, and if they had any balls they would go seriously public.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 5 2004 19:50 utc | 7

@Cloned Poster
What do the bankers have to do with the ICRC?

Posted by: Fran | Jul 5 2004 19:58 utc | 8

The Bankers are Swiss….. so are all the ICRC heads.
UNICEF my ass.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 5 2004 20:52 utc | 9

I heard about this new report of abuse of children yesterday.
I think no American media has wanted to go into this subject because of the implications…the utterly vile nature abuse of children. Of course, maybe the reports aren’t true (cough, cough), but the odds are for these reports of abuse of children, sanctioned by the US.
And this world wide knowledge will further make the US a pariah state around the world, absolutely, and will motivate more opposition to the US and more support for jihadis.
This puts the US in the same class as Hitler and the concentration camps. Although the scale may be smaller, who can justify the abuse of children with a straight face?
And the report that this occurred at 6 different locations, just like the abuse of adults, makes the “few bad apples” excuse an obvious lie.
So, Americans, are we going to continue to allow our govt to do this in our name?
If so, what does that make us?
…assuming, of course, that these charges against those responsible are brought forth in a court of law…but if someone has photographic or video evidence…the court of world-wide public opinion will reach its own conclusions.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 5 2004 21:25 utc | 10

What I find remarkable about this story is that the pictures haven’t been released.
How it that possible? How has the pentagon managed to lid this for so long? Could it be that the overarching tendency of computer files to disperse themselves has somehow been checked? That seems a nearly impossible task…and yet…the pictures remain hidden.
This is all a mystery.
I suspect someone someday is going to win a Pulitzer telling the story behind the story: The Great Pentagon Clamp Down on these Files.

Posted by: koreyel | Jul 5 2004 21:30 utc | 11

Cloned Poster- the reason the ICRC has not gone public in the past is because they tried to remain “neutral observers” –in order to retain access.
the reason they haven’t gone public in the past (and going public about Abu Ghraib is a break with tradition, but was done, apparently, because someone within the organization saw that the Bush League was refusing to address the issue) anyway, the reason they don’t go public is, again, because such an act could compromise their access.
as we all see, just because there are Geneva Conventions…it doesn’t mean any govt will automatically honor them.
but publicizing that a nation refuses the ICRC access has its own value, as far as govt actions are concerned.
I don’t buy that…well, they’re located where the banks are rationale. The Hopi sacred lands are located where the govt gets the uranium that bombed Hiroshima, but the Hopi oppose this action.
Same with strip mining coal on Hopi sacred land to light the strip on Vegas. Terrible irony there..

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 5 2004 21:31 utc | 12

that was me in the last two posts. the formatting for this site and the annex is all messed up for me for some reason, btw.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jul 5 2004 21:33 utc | 13

If any of this is true and it probably is,
I just feel like puking!
FLASHHARRY

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 5 2004 22:35 utc | 14

Well, as Fauxreal said, they still want to go and see where people are. ICRC first aim is to register prisoners (once registered, they can check later if the guy’s still alive or has been secretly exectued), then see how they’re treated and make recommendations on authorities as to how they should treat them according to Geneva COnventions. The trick is they are not the all-powerful watching arm of internationalism, so they have to make as less fuss as possible. And yes it sucks. But they go public on very rare occasions. In fact, as I said before, I’m not even sure it’s a Red Cross guy who originally leaked the memo, could as well be a Washington insider who was disgusted. Basically, they could say a lot of things about Afganistan, Indonesia, Turkey, Sierra Leone, Chechnya, and in somecases it would be worse than the US in Iraq, clearly. You just don’t hear it, and it’s other non-official NGOs like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International that procudes the damning reports. Don’t ever doubt that if the ICRC decided to be really frank, HRW and Amnesty reports would be children literature compared to the stuff they would come with.
And the UNICEF has nothing to do with Switzerland and with ICRC, as far as I know. Aren’t their HQ in Paris, or in NYC?

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jul 5 2004 22:37 utc | 15

koreyel-
My guess about the reason the photos have not gone public yet is because the media knows that they will totally enrage and outrage the entire world.
no doubt the Pentagon has encouraged them in this thinking, and made sure the media remembers Berg. And media outlets know they have employees who are also vulnerable to retribution.
No doubt other members of govt have asked the media not to publish them as well, again because of the damage they would do.
the media has shut down on issues that are far less incendiary than this one when the govt has engaged in abuses…think of the CIA/cocaine smuggling that was reported by the San Jose Mercury News…the frogmen stories, when they were caught redhanded.
how many Americans know about those events to this day?

Posted by: fauxreal | Jul 5 2004 23:06 utc | 16

Just found: Free Speech TV, channel 9415 on the Dish network. On Friday night they show a one-hour Independent News Network news broadcast. It is really incredible to see a real news broadcast coming from a tv screen in Amerika- I had never seen this before.
If you watch it and like it be sure to let the Dish people know how you feel.

Posted by: serial catowner | Jul 5 2004 23:27 utc | 17

Fauxreal–
My guess about the reason the photos have not gone public yet is because the media knows that they will totally enrage and outrage the entire world.
Oh no doubt. The files are a ticking timebomb. They are dehydrated “bits” of pure anti-americanism of the most virulent stock.
And I’ve no doubt this is the main reason that most of those in possession have sat tight on them.
But remember a decade or so back there was this little homily that got great play: Information just wants to be free.
We don’t hear that axiom much these days but there is still some truth to it. It is hard as hell to keep a lid on these photos and this information. Yea verily–“hard as hell” — as we all want to get the lowdown on the dirtiest dirt, the smarmiest smarm–that’s just human nature. All news is basically gossip. And we as a species are gossip mongers.
The pentagon must be going great guns to prevent the freedom of these lurid files. I imagine thousands of hard disks have been impounded, and threats to careers promulgated up and down the chain of command.
Someday when all this gets leaked (and then declassified) the story is going to be told in a shelf of best sellers.
And of course…even as I write, someone sits looking at the photos and wondering how they can leak them.
Information…especially dirty dirt…just wants to be free.

Posted by: koreyel | Jul 6 2004 0:09 utc | 18

Let’s wait a little longer for more details to come out. If Hersh has safe info on this, he will publish it. Child-abuse may be the last nail in Rumsfeld’s coffin. And in Bush’s hopefully.
Bullshit. You just know the pundits and wingnuts will be pushing the line “We had to abuse the children to save American lives from teeeeeeeeerrorists! What are you, Anti-American?”

Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans | Jul 6 2004 22:08 utc | 19

Child abuse – the world starts to take notice
As a reaction to the alleged torture of children, Norwegian authorities state they will address the US both politically and diplomatically and clearly state that it is not tolerated.
German television aired footage of American abuse of children in jails in Iraq Monday…
Norway reacts to US torture of children in Iraq

Posted by: Helpful Spook | Jul 7 2004 11:44 utc | 20