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NFL loses request for summary judgment to dismiss a grievance brought against team owners by Colin Kaepernick for colluding to keep him unemployed as punishment for the instigation and leadership of league wide sideline demonstrations against racial injustice a few seasons ago.

The arbitrator ruled Kaepernick's case will move forward with depositions of team owners, league officials and potentially even an unindicted co-conspirator name of Donald J. Trump.

One team owner has already admitted Trump directly influenced the league's stance against kneeling during the anthem by his media comments and communications with team owners. For his part, the racist-in-chief has called for the firing of "any son of a bitch" (70% of NFL players are black) who refuses to stand respectfully at attention during the national anthem. In a typical Trumpian non-sequitor, the Liar-in-Chief claims the protests dishonor the flag and the US Military (69% of US soldiers are non-hispanic white), which has nothing at all to do with the stated aims of the player protest movement.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 2, 2018 2:00:35 PM | 1

Declassified docs reveal how Pentagon aimed to nuke USSR and China into oblivion:

https://www.rt.com/news/437432-us-declassified-nuclear-plans/

Posted by: vk | Sep 2, 2018 3:13:44 PM | 2

Western nations were never set up as democracies - and it's going to get even worse

Posted by: Never Mind the Bollocks | Sep 2, 2018 4:11:13 PM | 3

Never mind the bollocks @ 3
Thanks good link

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 2, 2018 4:22:43 PM | 4

Donkeytale @ 1
Thanks for that. Babylon fall !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 2, 2018 4:29:07 PM | 5

Mark2 @4 - Thank you!

Posted by: Never Mind the Bollocks | Sep 2, 2018 4:40:40 PM | 6

nmb @3

Thank you for not using a link shortener!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2, 2018 4:43:59 PM | 7


Did you know?

Just months before 9/11 the World Trade Center's lease was privatized and sold to Larry Silverstein.

Silverstein took out an insurance policy that "fortuitously" covered terrorism.

After 9/11 Silverstein took the insurance companies to court, claiming he should be paid double because there were two attacks.

Silverstein won, and was awarded $4,550,000,000.

The question on everyone’s mind is:

Why is Silverstein claiming that airliners destroyed his buildings, when he has already confessed to demolishing at least one of them himself?

In the 2002 PBS documentary “America Rebuilds,” Silverstein admitted to complicity in the controlled demolition of WTC-7, a 47-story skyscraper that dropped into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds.

Larry Silverstein: "I remember getting a call from the fire department, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "you know, we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it, and they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 2, 2018 4:46:00 PM | 8

Snopes says lloyd Blankfein, real estate investor, was also an owner.

Of course, Blankfein is the Goldman Sachs CEO who claimed that he does gods work.

Snopes left that part out

Posted by: Fastfreddy | Sep 2, 2018 5:13:39 PM | 9

@psychohistorian

Bad news.

I just returned from a 4000 mile, 4day road trip to California. (No typo, 3922 actual miles) My niece was doing her homework when I arrived at my brothers home. She is in 6th grade. Her assignment was to write a report on the chapter of a California state text book they were currently studying entitled: "Why banks are good for us." The chapter title, not the book. I was floored. I did take the time to help her complete the assignment and explained 'fiat' and 'rentier' principles to her which were not mentioned in the above mentioned chapter. I won't find out until next week what grade she gets on that assignment.

Thoughts?

Posted by: b4real | Sep 2, 2018 5:15:47 PM | 10

5G Space Race and protectionism propels this article. I'll add Quantum Computing to the Race. Yes, the advent of the Created in China Era is rapidly approaching just as we reach the threshold of our Hybrid Third World War. It takes a special class of idiots to implement a policy aimed at overcoming Russian and Chinese dominance in Eurasia using sanctions and tariffs.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2, 2018 5:37:34 PM | 11

2

More than a few USA leaders today surely feel that we should have taken the opportunity at that time.

Would be a great interview question today.

Then get them a backpack and drop them in with a parachute they packed themselves.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Sep 2, 2018 5:42:55 PM | 12

Elijah J. Magnier on his Twitter discussing the Iraqi political battle for PM between the Outlaw US Empire stooge Abadi and just about anyone else. If the big coalition forms as he thinks, it will be good for Iraq.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2, 2018 5:47:04 PM | 13

@ 8 Fastfreddy

The mysterious destruction of Building 7 has become the Rosetta Stone of 9/11.

Virtually all independent experts who have studied the case, including thousands of architects and engineers, agree that the government’s explanation – that a few small office fires somehow destroyed WTC-7 – is a non-starter. Building 7, these experts say, was obviously taken down in a controlled demolition, as Silverstein himself admitted.

Despite his confession to demolishing his own building, Silverstein received $861 million from insurers for Building 7 alone, as well as over $4 billion for the rest of the Trade Center complex. That $861 million for WTC-7 was paid on the basis of Silverstein’s claim that airplanes were somehow responsible for making Building 7 (which was not hit by any plane) disappear at free-fall acceleration.

As for Snopes, wasn't the founder David Mikkelson accused of fraud and embezzling company funds?

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 2, 2018 5:58:11 PM | 14

12 cont'd.

Looks like the Abadi-Sadr bloc will be the largest and form the next gov't., but formal results won't be released yet.

I find this super hilarious given Trump's Trade War with China!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2, 2018 6:04:23 PM | 15


According to Haaretz, Larry Silverstein was a close friend of Israeli Prime Ministers Ariel Sharon, Ehud Barak and Benjamin Natanyahu,

https://www.haaretz.com/1.5462012

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 2, 2018 6:09:39 PM | 16

Karlof1@14

Notice tarrifs for those items were not increased?

Posted by: Pft | Sep 2, 2018 6:17:02 PM | 17

Posted by: b4real | Sep 2, 2018 5:15:47 PM | 9
Thoughts?
Yeah, thought provoking...poor Californian kids. They are already in school, while Canadian kids still enjoy last days of the summer break. For them the school starts on Tuesday, after Labour Day...

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 2, 2018 7:03:44 PM | 18

Thanks, Mark2 @ 5 -

Babylon falls....1969

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL3DUKU72Pk

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 2, 2018 7:08:00 PM | 19

Snopes appears to me to be some type of AI project to use the web to answer questions on the web. You can get the same bullshit out of Alexa.

Colin Kaputnick always looked like a privileged college guy who never had to study and had cheerleaders doing his homework for him. He looks like the type of guy who just had to show up to class. I wonder how much it cost the racists for his full ride scholarship?

Next time I punch a cop or run away with a gun in my hand I wont be thinking about how racist they are, I will be thinking about I stupid I was when I lay there dying. There are plenty examples of very well off black and brown people in this society. I work with a bunch of them. At this point its reach out, get educated and grab it. Its out there for anybody.

Posted by: dltravers | Sep 2, 2018 8:44:49 PM | 20

to b:

I am appalled at the fact that Germans have dismissed the deaths of 2.500.000
POWs at the hands of the (Western) Allied victors and the ongoing occupation of their country by foreign powers while submitting to history rewriting and accepting blame for what was a just retaliation at the sufferings inflicted to them by foreign ethnic entities.

I am just as appalled by the Brits who worship their lords and aim to be gracious to them even when these are the prosperous bullies that make their lives dreadful day after day after day.

Is the Stockholm Syndrome also applicable to nations?

Posted by: CarlD | Sep 2, 2018 9:17:37 PM | 21

@ b4real with the CA current education/brainwashing report......sigh/thanks

A few years ago, at a friends house for the weekend, I exposed myself to a middle school social studies book about comparative cultures......ARGH!! I am a quick read and I created a list of a dozen or more outright lies in less than half hour. I shared with family and they, agreed but pretty much shrugged their collective shoulders....

By the human age of 12, I believe, is when the memes are pretty much locked in......it is not that banks are bad but that their ownership is private and not public that is my drum beat call for change.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 2, 2018 9:21:30 PM | 22

@CarlD #20

Its not Stockholm Syndrome.

Its the fact that the populace has been conditionned by 500 years to lick the boots of the elites so that they can get the scraps from colonialism/imperialism

Since that is still going on today, albeit under a different name but the driving objective to the populace is the same 'yes, we are bombing the others so that we can guide them to the light, its not our fault these barbarians are resisting, it just because of their backwards culture that they cant see whats good for them,..... what, I cant hear,.... we are taking all their resources! well nothing is for free ! we must be compensated for our suffering !Do you think its easy dealing with them ?'

I am only paraphrasing the White men's burden.

I mean of course its a burden
do you think its easy being this self sacrificing and investing billions of dollars to overthrow countries, buy oppposition , create a whole narrative and propaganda.

Its a thankless job too !

I know unbeliveable!

Those ungratefull bastards

Posted by: occidentosis | Sep 2, 2018 9:43:27 PM | 23

@ occidentosis with the clear paraphrasing of the "perceived" White man's burden

Your "....we are bombing the others so that we can guide them to the light, its not our fault these barbarians are resisting, it just because of their backwards culture that they cant see whats good for them,...." is priceless and said by the diversity killing culture cancer as they take our species over the cliff with their mythological brainwashing.

The Cosmos won't miss us....killed by our hubris led faith over reason mentality.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 2, 2018 10:23:06 PM | 24


@ CarlD 20

The Americans and the Brits knew all these atrocities were going on but did nothing to stop them. They stood by and saw it all happening, cruel accomplices to crime.

With the exception of General George Patton, who was horrified by the atrocities, and determined to inform the American public what was really going on.

But General Patton, despite being in perfect health, never made it back home.

@ Mona Ahmed Zaki

One other thing concerning 9/11 and the WTC owner Larry Silverstein: the insurers never mentioned that on the morning of 9/11, BOTH Silverstein AND his daughter did not show up for their usual daily breakfast that they never missed, at Windows on the World restaurant atop the North Tower.

Both offered flimsy pretexts — Silverstein claiming that he had suddenly remembered a dermatologist’s appointment.

Posted by: László | Sep 3, 2018 1:16:46 AM | 25

Just found this The Hill story - talk about collusion. :-)
Russian oligarch, Justice Department and a clear case of collusion

Posted by: Fran | Sep 3, 2018 1:36:43 AM | 26

dltravers
your comment is seriously erroneous
you know nothing about Colin Kaepernik
he is a very hardworking serious intelligent man
your comment shows your ignorance and your prejudice
it is one thing to disagree with someone
it is quite another thing to defame someone and provide no facts to justify your error

Posted by: mauisurfer | Sep 3, 2018 2:09:03 AM | 27


@ CarlD 20

Without forgetting the savage rapes and murders of an estimated 2 million German women (between the ages of 8 and 80) at the hands of Red army soldiers

These Russian troops had been incited to lustmurder by the psychopathic propagandist Ilya Ehrenberg.

Many were raped to death. Mothers were raped alongside their daughters. Sons who tried to protect their family where shot on site. The men were hauled away to camps where they were deliberately starved to death. (See Eisenhower’s Rhine Meadows Death Camps)

This chapter of WW2 has been COMPLETELY whitewashed from history. More German civilians died after the war (1945-47) than died during the war (1939-1945).

Some very evil things were done in those days by the Allied Forces, but it's all been covered up and whitewashed from History

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 3, 2018 2:56:36 AM | 28

Fran@25

Bob Dole accepted a $ 560,000 fee to help Oleg Deripaska obtain a visa to visit the US.

Manafort had a secret deal with Deripaska whereby Manafort’s firm was paid $ 10 million per year to influence politics, business dealings, and media coverage inside the US, Europe, and the former Soviet republics in a way that would benefit Vladimir Putin’s government.
" We are now of the belief that this model can greatly benefit the Putin Government,”

Even McCains been linked to him

https://www.thenation.com/article/mccains-kremlin-ties/


Posted by: Pft | Sep 3, 2018 2:58:49 AM | 29

Russian -US election collusion to influence elections? Read the Clinton-Yeltsin papers. Lol

https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

Posted by: Pft | Sep 3, 2018 3:26:04 AM | 30

MCCAIN CALLS FOR REGIME CHANGE IN HEAVEN

EIGHT CIRCLE (Reuters) - Former US Senator John McCain has just arrived in Hell, yet he's already calling for regime change in Heaven. Reuters met with Senator McCain for an exclusive one-on-one interview.

After his recent passing, McCain has taken up residence in Bolgia 5, an affluent district in Eight Circle with posh hotels and luxury shopping for the well-hoofed. "It's a lovely neighborhood," says McCain as we walk over a bridge. "People are nice here. Real patriots. They gather on Sundays and take turns barbecueing each other."

Last week, McCain delivered an impassioned speech at the annual Hexennacht convention, where he called for removing God from power. I ask the Senator to explain why the situation in the plane Up Over should concern Hell's citizens.

"God is a bloodthirsty dictator who is killing his own angels. I happen to personally know a prominent angel who had to flee Heaven to escape political persecution." I sense anger in McCain's dry cracking voice. "When was the last time elections were held in Heaven? Right, never. It's a tyranny. And it's a threat."

While some say Hell should stay out of Heaven's affairs, McCain takes a principled stand:

"Hell has always been a bastion of freedom and democracy. It would be immoral for us not to share our advancements in governance with the rest of the Cosmos."

Experts agree that the most likely first bombing target is going to be the Pearly Gates. "It's a strategic choke-point," explains Hell's former HEAVCOM Chief and a retired four-pentagram general Frank "Bub" Beelzebub. "We go in, we bomb the hell outta them, we go out," he adds, chuckling at the unintended pun.

Posted by: S | Sep 3, 2018 5:26:55 AM | 31

Bernhard, you have already written about the large port in Sri Lanka built by China that the Sri Lankans finally had to let out to the Chinese. Your analysis suggested this was a fair deal. Now we have the same issue being raised in connection with a large number of countries. I look forward to your further analysis.

Posted by: sarz | Sep 3, 2018 6:25:41 AM | 32

Mona Ahmed Zaki 27
I wonder just how many of Ilya Ihrenburg's books you have actually read ?

Posted by: ashley albanese | Sep 3, 2018 6:42:32 AM | 33

b4real @ 9

How lucky for your niece in California to be involved in questions related to banking, where so much exciting stuff is happening. Looks like Los Angeles is on the verge of getting a public bank.

https://ellenbrown.com/2018/07/
Ellen Brown, who happens to live in California, is a big exponent of public banking. Your niece will find tons of exciting stuff about the Fed and much else at Ellen's website.

http://www.publicbankinginstitute.org/david_dayen_what_if_banks_were_publicly_owned?utm_campaign=pbi_news180830&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pbi

A good article about public banking from the website of the Public Banking Institute. Your niece should call them up and see if she can invite someone from there to her high school.

Posted by: sarz | Sep 3, 2018 7:29:01 AM | 34

S @ 30:

That was quick! Insane McCain got himself elected to the highest echelons of the Demon Hierarchy already!

How many devils did he rat on, that ended up drowning in pools of boiling shit and sulphur?

How long will it be before he decides to campaign for the position of the Prince of Darkness?

Posted by: Jen | Sep 3, 2018 7:29:18 AM | 35


@ 32

Commissar Ilya Ehrenburg’s “KILL” was distributed in the millions among Red Army troops on the front lines of battle in WWII

The final paragraph of “Kill” reads:

"The Germans are not human beings. From now on, the word ‘German’ is the most horrible curse. From now on, the word ‘German’ strikes us to the quick. We have nothing to discuss. We will not get excited. We will kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day…

If you cannot kill a German with a bullet, then kill him with your bayonet. If your part of the front is quiet and there is no fighting, then kill a German in the meantime…

If you have already killed a German, then kill another one — there is nothing more amusing to us than a heap of German corpses. Don’t count the days, don’t count the kilometers. Count only one thing: the number of Germans you have killed.

Kill the Germans!…

— Kill the Germans!

Kill!

And in another leaflet:

"The Germans must be killed. One must kill them…Do you feel sick? Do you feel a nightmare in your breast?...

Kill a German! If you are a righteous and conscientious man – kill a German!”

. . . Kill!”

Ehrenburg:

"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil! Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.

Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm onward, kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army."

This helped the Red Army perpetrate the largest gynocide and mass rape in recorded history.

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 3, 2018 8:03:09 AM | 36

@CarlD 20 + Mona Zaki 27

Carl, where's this number (2,500,000 POWs murdered by Western allies) coming from?

That would suggest that German forces experienced only 500,000 KIA over the course of the war. That is not plausible, particularly the Eastern Front was a meat grinder of epic proportions; later in the war German forces in the East suffered casualties in the range of 1,500 - 2,500 men on a daily basis.

Same is it with 2,000,000 women raped and murdered. That is nonsense. There were serious atrocities going on, no doubt about that, but 2,000,000 is way out of proportion. BTW a great many of these atrocities were a direct result of atrocities committed by the Nazi war machine on its march eastward.

German dead were about 8,000,000 in total, both members of the armed forces and civilians (~3 m soldiers, ~5 m civilians), so, 2.5 million POWs and 2 million women simply do not add up.

Posted by: Hmpf | Sep 3, 2018 8:15:33 AM | 37

Hmpf @ 36:

The question of whether Soviet soldiers raped and murdered 2 million German women was put to Quora.com. I think you'll find some answers very interesting.

https://www.quora.com/How-true-is-it-that-the-Russians-raped-two-million-German-women-in-World-War-II

It appears the 2 million figure is based on dodgy methodology and suspect premises. Would you trust (of all people) Dr Goebbels' assertion that Soviet soldiers raped all German women between the ages of 8 and 80 years?

Mona Ahmed Zaki looks like a troll come to demonise Russia here for Russian participation in Syria's war against the jihadis.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 3, 2018 8:37:58 AM | 38

@ Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 3, 2018 2:56:36 AM | 27

Your numbers are complete nonsense.

But even if rape did happen, then you must accept it, because that's the Patriarchal Law: if you kill the paterfamilias (the man of the family), you automatically owns his property (including wife and children). That's the cornerstone of private property, which is the cornerstone of capitalism (which the Nazis defended against the Soviet). If the man of the superior race wasn't able to defend his private property against untermenschen, then you're not the superior race.

Posted by: vk | Sep 3, 2018 8:43:51 AM | 39

25 million Soviet citizens, the vast majority civilians, were butchered by the Nazis between 1942 and 1945. Many millions of rapes were perpetrated as well especially upon those soviet women sent to work as slaves in the factories owned by cronies of the corrupt nazi circle. Yet that doesn't prevent an ignorant tosspot from spewing nonsense - pointless nonsense. Every Soviet soldier, male and female was all too aware of how despicable their enemy was since there was barely any whose family hadn't suffered at the hands of the german, danish, romanian, hungarian, italian and czech nazis which the arseholes loosed upon a people whose only 'crime' was to strive for a decent sharing society - they didn't need pamphlets, they had driven the nazi menace back and seen with their own eyes the devastation fascist pigs had wreaked upon their motherland.

How typical - I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that in a world where Jeremy Corbyn a gentle man who has fought racism his entire life is now called a racist anti-semite, that ignorant ninnies who cannot tell sh1t from clay would try to blame the horror that A Hitler and his greedy sleazebag acolytes visited upon the soviet people, upon the victims, those same soviet citizens.

Get back under your bridge ignoramus.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 3, 2018 9:14:28 AM | 40

Will the Turks with the help of the USA, Saudi Arabia, the UK and France move the Al Nusra fighters from Edlib to Libya to prevent an all out war?

Posted by: virgile | Sep 3, 2018 9:18:26 AM | 41


Below Paul Craig Roberts lists a number of links documenting crimes committed against the German people and German POWs after Germany had surrendered.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/14/hellstorm-the-documentary/

Posted by: László | Sep 3, 2018 9:29:42 AM | 42

US Taxpayers spend approximately $2,500,000 per year to advertise for cannon fodder during NFL games since 2009.

Prior to 2009, players didn't enter the field until after the national anthem. Since then the league has encouraged players to come out onto the field for the anthem but doesn't require participation in the pregame sporting ritual.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 3, 2018 9:48:39 AM | 43

Nearly all those deaths could have been avoided, if the public had had foresight and back bone. Alas after all that we have learned nothing. A whole post on facism this weekend hardly a mention about Chemnitz Germany. I could scream! ' Wake the f*** up' Like a forest fire that will now spread right round Europe Britain USA and round the world within months. Millions dead on all sides ! Not just the poor but all the apathetic armchair interlectuals and there family's ! The s*** has hit the fan !!!
# enough is enough Chemnitz .!!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 3, 2018 10:05:52 AM | 44


@ Debsisdead 39

No one is accusing Russians of mass rape. I made it very clear that Stalin's Commissar Ilya Ehrenburg sanctioned the mass rape and most of the rapists were Mongols, Tatars and members of that tribe that you Westerners are not ever allowed to criticize. Those being incited to commit mass rape and murder had been brutalized by YEARS of Bolshevik tyranny. And who were the Bolshevik leaders? Do I have to look that up for you as well?

Also no one supports Russia's involvement in Syria, supporting Assad against the enemy: (USA and Israel) more than I do

And ad hominems or personal attacks are not an argument

Now on to more important matters, the anniversary of the Sabra Chatila masscre:


Soon will be the 36th anniversary of the massacres at the Sabra-Shatila refugee camp massacres in Lebanon between 16 and 18 September 1982. Over a three-day period, members of the Lebanese Christian militia slaughtered between 1,000 and 3,500 Palestinians living refugee camps.

This massacre was organized by Israel and done with the FULL SUPPORT of Israeli troops

The link at the end below has the complete version of Jean Genet’s Four Hours in Chatila

Those sentences which were shamelessly deleted by the cowardly editors of the Revue d’Etudes palestiniennes in Paris, in its number 6 published in 1983, have been restored here.

Jean Genet:

“Did the Chatila massacre take place in hushed tones or in total silence, if the Israelis, both soldiers and officers, claim to have heard nothing, to have suspected nothing whereas they had been occupying this building since Wednesday afternoon?”

“Sometimes a dead child blocked the streets: they were so small, so narrow, and the dead so numerous. The smell is probably familiar to old people; it didn’t bother me. But there were so many flies.”

“It will be very easy for Israel to clear itself of all the accusations. Journalists of all the European press are already at work clearing them: no one will say that on the nights from Thursday to Friday and from Friday to Saturday Hebrew was spoken in Chatila.”

That is what another Lebanese told me.

“Electricity cuts made this “school for the blind” necessary, as it did the climbing, two or three times a day, of that white marble cliff, the eight-floor stairway. We had to fill all the containers in the house with water.

The telephone was cut off when the Israeli soldiers entered West Beirut along with their Hebrew inscriptions. So were the roads around Beirut. The Merkava tanks which never stopped showed they were keeping an eye on the whole city, and at the same time one imagined those inside scared they would become a fixed target”


https://yrakha.com/2011/09/17/four-hours-in-chatila/

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 3, 2018 10:15:03 AM | 45

@ Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 3, 2018 10:15:03 AM | 45

It is very unlikely there was "mass rape" on either side. Yes, there was rape (including a documented case of soldiers of the Wehrmacht dragging a Soviet woman to the open field in Stalingrad, raping her and then shooting her), but, if memory doesn't fail me, there were only a little bit more than 1,200 cases of confirmed rape by the Red Army (probably, when they were advancing to the West, subduing the Nazi satrapies in East Europe, up to Berlin), all of which were punished. The thing is: unless you find a mass grave of adult women in an unusual location (say, a POW camp), it is very hard, if not impossible, to prove rape in a war: there's simply no one there fiscalizing.

Mass rape is more a thing of the ancient world, where siege and pillaging were more common, and the soldiers were mainly mercenaries or very poor people who were promised a share in the plunder. It is very unlikely there were the material conditions in WWII for mass rapes, since it was essentially a war of infantry in fields cleared by heavily motorised units. Besides, WWII was a war not only between two individual interests of tyrants or kings or senators: it was a war between two world visions (capitalism vs communism). It was a war of anihilation: to the last life. If you take the siege of Leningrad, for example, the Germans didn't want surrender: they wanted all the living souls there to starve to death.

Now, if something like this happened (which is almost 100% certain it didn't), then the Red Army was nothing more than diplomatic: the sacred laws of patriarchy state that, if you kill the alpha male, you automatically has possession of all his private property -- including the wife and kids. The Nazi were patriarchal (because capitalism is a patriarchal system) and waged a war to defend it. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Posted by: vk | Sep 3, 2018 11:10:07 AM | 46

Your personal attacks and insults can do nothing to me, and why would I want to read Ilya Ehrenburg's "poems" when I have Mahmoud Darwish?

ID Card

Mahmoud Darwish

Write it down! I’m an Arab
My card number is 50000
My children number eight
And after this summer, a ninth on his way.
Does this make you rage?
I am an Arab.
With my quarry comrades I labor hard
My children number eight
I tug their bread, their clothes
And their notebooks
From within the rock
I don’t beg at your door
I don’t cower on your threshold
So does this make you rage?
Write it down!
I am an Arab.
I am a name with no honorific.
Patient in a land
Where everything lives in bursting rage
My roots were planted before time was born
Before history began
Before the cypress and the olive trees
Before grass sprouted
My father is from the plough clan
Not from the noble class
My grandfather was a peasant farmer
Had no pedigree
Taught me the pride of the sun
Before teaching me to read
A shack to guard groves is my home,
Made of branches and reeds
Are you pleased with my status?
I am a name with no honorific.
Write it down!
I am an Arab.
Hair color: charcoal
Eye color:  brown
Attributes:
A cord around the quffiyeh on my head
My hand as hard as rock
That scratches if you touch it
My address:
I am from a forgotten abandoned village
Its streets nameless
All its men in the fields and quarries
Does this make you rage?
Write it down!
I am an Arab.
You have stolen my ancestors’ groves
And the land we cultivated
I and all my children
Leaving nothing for us and all my grandchildren
Except these rocks
Will your government take them
Like people say?
Therefore,
Write down on the top of the first page:
I do not hate people
And I do not steal from anyone
But if I starve
I will eat my oppressor’s flesh
Beware, beware of my starving
And my rage.

1964. Translated from Arabic by Salman Masalha and Vivian Eden

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 3, 2018 11:24:28 AM | 47

@ vk 46

vk: "The Nazi were patriarchal (because capitalism is a patriarchal system) and waged a war to defend it. You live by the sword, you die by the sword."

So according to you the National Socialists were defending capitalism?

If I did an Internet search, within 5 minutes I could find dozens of links to the Daily Express headline of March 24, 1933 (or 34) stating "Judea declares War on Germany" and discussions of an economic boycott of Germany beginning in 1933 or 34

But those are all just rumours, right, because you never heard that in your history class, or reading NY Times, WaPo, watching CNN or listening to NPR?

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 3, 2018 11:43:19 AM | 48

Mona Ahmed Zaki @ 47
heart felt words ! Moving , the truth rings like a bell ! Thank you.
Mona @ 48
I think the nazi's were capatalist but used the socialist label so as to deceive the working class into foolishly backing them ! The populist vote ! It's the same con trick trump used. And the same trick the uk torys used, when they created ukip to devide the working class voter to damage Labour.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 3, 2018 12:15:20 PM | 49

@30 s and @34 jen.. thanks for the laughs!

@40 virgile.. sounds about right.. hopefully they get to travel 1st class on qatar airlines or something like that.. these arab and muslim brothers sure know how to put the boots to each other...

Posted by: james | Sep 3, 2018 12:34:48 PM | 50

People are mentioning the Russians and the Germans and WWII. Please, people, don't make any German jokes. I am very sensitive about German jokes. My grandfather died in a concentration camp. He fell off the watchtower.

Posted by: DineroDProfit | Sep 3, 2018 12:48:03 PM | 51

The US Department of Homeland Security fabricated "intelligence reports" of Russian election hacking in order to try to get control of the election infrastructure (probebly so that they can hack it more easily to control the election results).

How the Department of Homeland Security Created a Deceptive Tale of Russia Hacking US Voter Sites

Posted by: BM | Sep 3, 2018 12:54:15 PM | 52

Wow, the trolls are here in force today!

Posted by: BM | Sep 3, 2018 12:57:03 PM | 53

@ Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 3, 2018 11:43:19 AM | 48

It is a known fact Hitler was a puppet of the German (and many Americans) industrial elite.

Posted by: vk | Sep 3, 2018 1:03:42 PM | 54

BM - Thanks for dumping a bowel movement linking to a website controlled by Yuri Profokiev, Politboro member and steadfast purveyor of pro Russian fake news.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 3, 2018 1:15:59 PM | 55

I was curious what he thought about the protests in the N.F.L. that have become a flash point.
“As a result of having spent twenty years in the Marine Corps to insure our right to express ourselves, and our country, and what we feel and how we feel, I cannot in all good conscience say that they are wrong,” Johnnie told me. “They have the right to express themselves as they want to, as long as they are not hurting someone else.” He added, referring to the President, “The whole mess and controversy is because of somebody who doesn’t have any respect of people of color. He has never shown any respect for the American flag himself.”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/what-johnnie-ashe-did-for-his-brother-arthur-fifty-years-ago

Posted by: mauisurfer | Sep 3, 2018 1:33:05 PM | 56

Although I admit Gareth Porter is a credible journo and believe Russian cyberactivity is criminal rather than necessarily govt sponsored

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 3, 2018 1:41:10 PM | 57

I mentioned the Iraqi government formation above. The outcome isn't yet known, but this article names the main players and their positions.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3, 2018 2:39:16 PM | 58

My apologies to BM. The bowel movement left on this page was all mine.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 3, 2018 2:41:01 PM | 59


@ 22 psychistorian

"A few years ago, at a friends house for the weekend, I exposed myself to a middle school social studies book about comparative cultures."

Re: exposing oneself. I was terrified about what who or what was going to come after middle school...

Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 3, 2018 2:42:16 PM | 60

"...At this point its reach out, get educated and grab it. Its out there for anybody.
dltravers@20

As a description of modern society this is about as inaccurate as it is possible to be.


Mona Ahmed Zaki you have been seriously misled in your attack on Ilya Ehrenburg by neo-nazi propaganda of the old, anti-semitic, type. Ehrenburg was a communist and a life long enemy of zionism who played a front line role in the campaigns of the Red Army which defeated the Nazis.
Exactly the same claim that you made, regarding the alleged rapes committed by the Red Army, was made recently to me in Canada by a second generation Ukrainian fascist. It scores twice, first as a racist attack on Russians (particularly the men from the Siberian armies, with their Asiatic roots), and secondly as a score against socialists (it was widely employed in the Cold War as justification for keeping vast armies aimed at Russia). By focusing on Ilya Ehrenburg-a writer of great stature- you go one better than Goebbels, who invented the lie and iunfuse the charge with anti-semitism.
Let us say that there is about as much truth in your charge as there is in Netanyahu's that Hitler got the idea of killing Jews from Haj Amin al-Husseini. It is sad to see a reader of Darwish's poetry joining the ranks of the enemies of humanity.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 3, 2018 3:37:03 PM | 61

Putin’s use of state power to kill, jail & exile the press & political opponents, while attacking unpopular groups within society and promoting violence against them, has all the hallmarks of a fascist. We must not forget that the fascist regimes of the last century were elected.
The fascism as “a political philosophy, movement, or regime … that exalts nation & often race above the individual & that stands 4 a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, & forcible suppression of opposition.”
Sounds like Putin’s Russia

Posted by: ALAN | Sep 3, 2018 3:56:36 PM | 62

2 Sunday's ago 6000 nazis and there sympathisers formed a mob in Chemnitz beating up inocent people becouse they looked foreign ! The police looked the other way ! The politicians all but condoned it, the media gave a pro biased account both in Germany and in the uk! Disgusting! Yesterday a couple of thousand fascists were back again, but this time were met by 10000 Antifa (anti-facist movement ) these brave souls succeeded in preventing the nazi's from marching ! Despite being attacked by the nazi police and the thugs several antifa were injured sadly, along with journalists.
Today a spontaneous anti facist festival took place in Chemnitz with 50000 antifacists attending with about ten bands .
Fascists will not pass. Who's streets our streets, who's streets our streets !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 3, 2018 4:05:56 PM | 63

@ N=Mark2 Antifa ARE the new Facists. I doubt very much if the politicans would look the other way to right wing violence. Antifa certainly but what you have commented doesn’t add up in any logical way.

Posted by: Beibdnn. | Sep 3, 2018 4:16:26 PM | 64

@ 64
Google it dude. Wake up and smell the coffee, and don't bother me again!

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 3, 2018 4:23:12 PM | 65

Shorter Bevin (addressing a commenter who might possibly be Palestinian or have some kind of connection to Palestine):

“Oh the Anti-shemitism! The Anti-shemitism! Oh the horror!”

Imagine Bevin’s shock if he learned that during the recent Palestinian protests, on a day when at least 60 demonstrators in Gaza were killed by the Israeli army, some of the Palestinian demonstrators were actually flying kites into Israel with the Swastika symbol painted on them.

No Israeli was harmed by this, no Israeli soldier suffered even so much as a scratch from these kites

However it’s clear that Bevin (and his kind) would be shocked by the kites, and by Palestinians using the Swastika symbol from a war that ended 73 years ago, and he would not be at all concerned (unless it was for virtue-signalling to his liberal friends) by the 60 unarmed Palestinian demonstrators who were gunned down in cold blood

But if you travel outside the West, if you spend some time among Arabs in the Middle East then you would be hard pressed to find a single person who would be shocked by Palestinians supporting Hitler or flying kites with a swastika symbol


Posted by: László | Sep 3, 2018 4:34:08 PM | 66


Decapitation (A poem)

Millán-Astray with the absent eye, to whom his legionaries offered pretty wicker baskets garnished with decapitated Berber heads, to his great delight, just as before him, around 1840, Lucien de Montagnac, a colonel who was also one-armed, the pacifier of Algeria, staved off colonial boredom by decapitating Arabs like artichokes—

I suddenly see Henryk Ross’s photo of the Łódź ghetto, a crate full of men’s heads next to another larger one where the headless bodies are piled up, that would have delighted Astray the one-eyed or Montagnac the ill-tempered, admirers of the samurais with the slender swords and of those saints who carried their own decapitated heads:

long after his wars, Millán-Astray the bird of prey translated the Japanese Bushidō into Spanish, code of honour and of honourable death, of decapitation of the conquered soldier, law of the friend who slices your neck and thus saves you from suffering

just as the French revolutionaries adopted the guillotine for its democratic painless aspect, a king’s death for everyone, the leader’s rolling in a basket, whereas before the Revolution decapitation was reserved for nobles, with commoners dying in spectacular torments, drawn and quartered or burnt for the most part, if they survived questioning—

in Damascus not long ago they hanged opponents from immense streetlights on the Square of the Abbasids, from the raised basket used in Paris to trim trees

I remember one day a hanged man who had stayed up too long ended up being decapitated from his body and fell his head rolled between the cars provoking an accident which caused one more death, an innocent little girl, probably just as innocent as the guy whose shoulderless face had frightened the driver, also innocent, just as there are lots of innocent men among the killers in the suitcase, as many as there are among the victims, murderers rapists throat-slitters ritual decapitators who learned to handle their knives on lambs or sheep, then Zeus did the rest

in Algeria my Islamists were the world champions of decapitation, in Bosnia the mujahideen killed their prisoners in the same way, the way you bleed an animal, and my own entrance to the Boulevard Mortier bore the sign of seven monks’ heads abandoned in a ditch

I can’t escape decapitation, these faces pursue me, up to Rome and Caravaggio with his head of Goliath David’s fist closed in the bloody hair or in the so-refined Palazzo Barberini Judith with her sword in Holofernes’s throat

the blood gushes so nicely, the beautiful widow looks both disgusted and resigned as she severs the carotid artery, the servant holds the bag that will surround the damp relic its eyes wide open, its hair sticky, a somber image among the religious scenes, the Saints Jerome, the portraits of bishops become popes

the innocent girls wild Judith neatly beheads the Babylonian general, to save her people in the same way Salome obtained the head of the Baptist, beheaded in his cell by a brutal guard, with a thick knife, as shown by Caravaggio, again, on the immense canvas in the cathedral of the Order of the Knights of St John in Malta, summer of 1608, when the order was incorporated, a year after arriving in the impregnable island,

forty years after the Ottoman siege when Jean de Valette shot Turkish heads out of his cannons like cannonballs, to frighten the enemy, Michelangelo Merisi di Caravaggio the Milanese would have liked to die beheaded, he died ill on a beach in Argentario, facing the grey sea that he had never painted, or that he had always painted, in the dark immensities where the bodies of beautiful boys and saints are born, of murderers prostitutes soldiers disguised as saints,
Caravaggio great master of darkness and decapitation
 
(an excerpt from Mathias Enard’s Zone, a novel "written as a single, hypnotic, propulsive, physically irresistible sentence")

Posted by: László | Sep 3, 2018 4:41:00 PM | 67


e e cummings


i sing of Olaf glad and big
whose warmest heart recoiled at war:
a conscientious object-or
his wellbelovéd colonel(trig
westpointer most succinctly bred)
took erring Olaf soon in hand;
but--though an host of overjoyed
noncoms(first knocking on the head
him)do through icy waters roll
that helplessness which others stroke
with brushes recently employed
anent this muddy toiletbowl,
while kindred intellects evoke
allegiance per blunt instruments--
Olaf(being to all intents
a corpse and wanting any rag
upon what God unto him gave)
responds,without getting annoyed
"I will not kiss your fucking flag"
straightway the silver bird looked grave
(departing hurriedly to shave)
but--though all kinds of officers
(a yearning nation's blueeyed pride)
their passive prey did kick and curse
until for wear their clarion
voices and boots were much the worse,
and egged the firstclassprivates on
his rectum wickedly to tease
by means of skilfully applied
bayonets roasted hot with heat--
Olaf(upon what were once knees)
does almost ceaselessly repeat
"there is some shit I will not eat"
our president,being of which
assertions duly notified
threw the yellowsonofabitch
into a dungeon,where he died
Christ(of His mercy infinite)
i pray to see;and Olaf,too
preponderatingly because
unless statistics lie he was
more brave than me:more blond than you.

Posted by: DineroDProfit | Sep 3, 2018 4:48:11 PM | 68

In case people are interested, there's going to be an AMA (Ask-Me-Anything) session with Abby Martin of The Empire Files at a Subreddit r/WayoftheBern. One has to be registered at Reddit to ask questions. The announcement is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/9c7ls2/upcoming_ama_with_abby_martin_tuesday_sept_4_46pm/

Posted by: Merlin2 | Sep 3, 2018 4:59:38 PM | 69

@ 10: While the textbooks said "banks are good for us", hope they explained the "bail-in" laws now operable in the U$A.

https://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/01/the-bail-in-how-you-and-your-money-will-be-parted-during-the-next-banking-crisis/

Posted by: ben | Sep 3, 2018 5:02:43 PM | 70

@ 68
Oooh you'l be a trump supporter no doubt ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 3, 2018 5:08:27 PM | 71

Some people commenting here apparently missed the article I quoted in the post about fascism.

Here it is again:

Fascist rampage in Germany exposes ties between right-wing extremists and the state by Johannes Stern.

Posted by: vk | Sep 3, 2018 5:11:46 PM | 72

S @3

This is absolutely hilarious! did you write it or is it from The Onion or some other site?

Posted by: Merlin2 | Sep 3, 2018 5:24:07 PM | 73

Within the Outlaw US Empire, today's a national holiday put in place to co-opt the international labor movement--the Orwellian Labor Day. A little-known labor strike--actually more of a boycott as it's a withholding of labor--was called to last from August 21 through September 9--little known because as usual BigLie Media's blacked out coverage and the introduction will tell you why:

"The only way to end slavery is to stop being a slave. Hundreds of men and women in prisons in some 17 states are refusing to carry out prison labor, conducting hunger strikes or boycotting for-profit commissaries in an effort to abolish the last redoubt of legalized slavery in America. The strikers are demanding to be paid the minimum wage, the right to vote, decent living conditions, educational and vocational training and an end to the death penalty and life imprisonment."

Conditions throughout the system will kill you as this one example attests from the hundreds of similar examples I could use.

It's this system and those akin to it that every Troll on this board today defends, not just ALAN. Nazi Germany isn't the only practitioner of Forced Labor Camps as they were called, nor was the USSR the only nation to employ a Gulag for similar purposes. Both were condemned by the World to be crimes. The same goes for the entire incarceration apparatus within the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3, 2018 5:33:49 PM | 74

Mark@ @68--

I rather doubt the poster supports Trump. The poem's from 1931 and very much Anti-War and Anti-Establishment. This review will help you understand.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3, 2018 5:49:34 PM | 75

Vk @ 72
I'm getting 'page not found ' on that link! Wow must have been true !!! We can't have that. Thanks though.
Karlofi @ 74
Brilliant call on that one. That whole system is a disgusting industry run by the 3 strikes and your out law. People Are charged for a minor mistamena, then fitted up with a bigger charge. There life falls apart guilty or inocent fitted up for the third crime!
It's a production line industry making vast profit from slave labour !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 3, 2018 6:00:02 PM | 76

karlof1 said in part @74:"-little known because as usual BigLie Media's blacked out coverage and the introduction will tell you why"

Absolutely, and not only news about our "slave labor camps", AKA for profit prisons, but labor day itself. A virtual black-out on labor day parades, and no discussion on the history of the labor movement.

Par for the course, I'm afraid..

Posted by: ben | Sep 3, 2018 6:01:20 PM | 77


NBC's Holocaust miniseries attracted over 107 million viewers and won 21 major awards!

The nine-and-a half hour television event aired over four nights in April of 1978 and starred Michael Moriarity and Meryl Streep!

Most Americans learned all that they know about World War II from watching this mini-series

From 10 Dec until 13 December 2011, this long awaited television mini-series finally arrived in Cairo on Egypt’s CBC- TV station with Arabic sub-titles!

The city has never been the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0S6UyK4UFI

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 3, 2018 6:03:21 PM | 78

Apt description of the MSM's attempt to confer saint-hood to John NcCain.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50168.htm

Posted by: ben | Sep 3, 2018 6:06:33 PM | 79

Karlofi & dine rod profit
My apologies if I was wrong ! It was the blond hair bit (airean) that through me. Not suppressing though, ' the fog of war' could a done with a breaf qualifier perhaps.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 3, 2018 6:10:19 PM | 80

Mona Ahmed Zaki @ 45:

I apologise for the troll slur I made earlier.

I still say though that you have yet to provide substantial proof that Ilya Ehrenburg, for all his faults as a writer and propagandist, urged Soviet soldiers to rape and massacre German women.

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2050

If German academics and institutions themselves admit they cannot find definitive evidence that Ehrenburg wrote what he is supposed to have written, if his writings have been quoted out of context and if he himself stated that German propagandists were broadcasting slander under his name, you have your work cut out to show that he incited Soviet soldiers to commit rape and murder.

Your gratuitous swipe at Mongolians, Tatars and Jewish people has not gone unnoticed either.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 3, 2018 6:35:54 PM | 81

Thanks to Wikileaks, the Chagos people finally have an opportunity for Justice. More available about this at Wikileaks' Twitter.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3, 2018 6:36:33 PM | 82

Posted by: Jen | Sep 3, 2018 6:35:54 PM | 81

Your apology may well be premature as I strongly suspect the type posting as M.A. Zaki is using a couple of other nyms on this thread.
These are the current hasbara moves - adopt the mien of the 'enemy' then post on irrelevant divisive issues to destroy the flow of debate.

I'm going to ignore the racist creep. I have a lot of Palestinian friends living throughout the region who do not think Hitler was onto a good thing when he targeted jews. Not because of any virtue signalling or any other contemporary cliches but because they have known some jews especially sephardic jews throughout their lives who are not evil mofos, they recognise that the nazis were the major cause of their homeland being invaded driving the indigenous population out and mainly the number one reason that they know such pointless emotive garbage dug up from the past does no one any good.

Since this creep was called an ignoramus he he/she has gone out of his/her way to copy and paste screeds of irrelevant old 'literature'. I see nothing commendable in words taken out of context, in fact I think that is just the usual zionist chimps and typrewriters move. For me that says it all, a divisive hasbara troll best ignored.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 3, 2018 7:02:31 PM | 83

The HREF tool required me to add an extra slash to the URL. Generally, it is harmless to the address, but this time it invalidated it.

Here's the working URL: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/09/01/chem-a31.html (Fascist rampage in Germany exposes ties between right-wing extremists and the state - By Johannes Stern).

I don't think Stern's version is absurd.

1) the dead man in Chemnitz was a Cuban-German ("Daniel H."), who, according to his personal pages at social sites (Facebook etc.) was a pro-refugee, "left-wing" German citizen. This is not your pious, pure Aryan German girl that was raped and killed and would make the neonazis in Germany simply go crazy and, at the same time, have the perfect anti-refugee face for propaganda purposes. The local police may have given Daniel H. to the wolves simply because, in their neonazi view, he's disposable and could bring to their side some pro-refugee Germans. The target is simply too specific not to have been induced by an institution with enough power and a data bank large enough.

2) there's a recent history of nurturing neonazism in the Bundeswehr. It is common for Armed Forces around the world to indoctrinate recruits using a national narrative involving a time when the nation's bellic power and national pride were at their peak. In Germany's case, it was the time of the Wehrmacht, which avenged the Germans against the French after the absurd Versailles Treaty; Nazism comes with the package.

3) there's a blackops history of the German new far-right-wing (neonazis), as mentioned by mr. Stern himself in the article.

4) it is a documented fact (videos and countless witness) that the initial instinct of the local police was to let the protest be. It at least indicates doubt is sewn in the German ranks.

Posted by: vk | Sep 3, 2018 7:13:40 PM | 84

"Destroy the flow of debate".. no kidding debs. What a thread :(

Posted by: Lozion | Sep 3, 2018 7:19:36 PM | 85

@22 Psychohistorian

I appreciate the difference between public and private banking, however being someone who believes all debt is unnecessary, we will probably always dispute the virtues of banking.

I can't remember (and am too lazy to look it up right now) who said, "compound interest is the most powerful force in the world(?)" , but compound interest is "the weapon" of the capitalist system. I can envision a system where loans were made at simple interest regardless of the length and profits were made by late charges and the simple interest alone, but a system where were I to purchase a thirty thousand dollar car financed at six years and wind up paying 47-52k is morally repugnant to me. How about a 30k loan at 10% for six years, ten years, 20 years and at the end of whichever time period agreed/chosen, total payments equalled 33k?

Debt makes people have to get up and go to jobs they don't like in the morning. :)

@34 sarz,

I am honestly not familiar with the tenets of public banking, you and psychohistorian are promoting, and appreciate the links. Still, it is going to take a miracle to convince me that banking of any nature has a virtue.

b4real

Posted by: b4real | Sep 3, 2018 7:35:28 PM | 86

@83 debs... thanks.. your quote - bang on - "These are the current hasbara moves - adopt the mien of the 'enemy' then post on irrelevant divisive issues to destroy the flow of debate."

fortunately there are a number of regulars here who can read this scene for what it is... the verdict is still out on some others..

karlof1.. thanks for those twitter vignettes you have been sharing here and elsewhere.. much appreciated..

Posted by: james | Sep 3, 2018 7:38:46 PM | 87

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3, 2018 6:36:33 PM | 82

I'll believe that Chagos Islanders will get justice when I see that happening. The Hague International 'justice' system is just as prone to doing as they are told by the big hitters as every other corrupt farce of a judicial system on this planet. In the end it will come down to the same thing as it always has, that is why would a bunch of sleek well fed types who have been living high on the hog by scapegoating the easy targets in Africa and other impoverished areas risk it all by seriously angering bosses in amerika and england all for the sake of a handful of aged & broke old unwhites?

The other current example of this two tiered justice system is to be found in Nauru of all places. The Nauru Islanders have been seriously shat upon for a couple of centuries, their acceptance of Australia's surplus to requirements unwhites was done because it was that or starve after australia, england and new zealand mining corporations stripped their islands bare. The international courts eventually and reluctantly awarded the islanders a pittance for the damage done - money that ran out real quick.
Now that Nauru is copping it over the detention centre and their name has been sufficiently tarnished they are copping it big from elite lawyers all over the planet for doing as they have seen others do and not tolerating judges who don't support Nauru leaders decisions.

If the Chagos mob even do as well as Naruans did - a few bucks and no meaningful remediation, I will be surprised.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 3, 2018 7:41:30 PM | 88

Vk @ 84
Thanks for persevering ! Chemnitz is a spark that could ignite the whole forest ! It's pivotal ! I' m a peace loveing man, but I know people have had to fight for Ther freedom ! It remains to be seen if this nazi ignorance spreads to other city's and if the public are awake enough to stop it. The far right politicians should already be in prison ! There are laws already in place for this due to Germany's history!!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 3, 2018 7:51:21 PM | 89

Further to the point I made upthread is an english language article on Le Monde Diplomatique which considers how and why an Al Jazeera documentary which featured israelis and their stooges around Capitol Hill openly discussing their campaigns of dirty tricks and their concern that young amerikans were no longer buying their tosh.
The documentary was an early victim of the Saudi/UAE attack on Qatar (the home of AJ) that left al Jazeera's staff extremely upset and the leaks have been continuous.
The article goes on to discuss current methods of the israeli Ministry of Strategic Affairs, methods to be used on websites which square with much of the nonsense we have been subjected to. I'm not going to waste space by pasting any of it here, don't be put off by the intro, this goes way past rewording Mearsheimer or any of the already familiar stuff about aipac and the deceivers. I reckon we all need to read it in its entirety before hunting out the four part doco which will inevitably surface on the web in the not-too distant future, especially since the cold shouldering of Qatar has re-commenced.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 3, 2018 8:42:00 PM | 90

Sometimes you have to wonder.

Looking back to 1933 when the US recognized Stalins Soviet Union as Hitler was taking power in Germany and FDR was dealing with the Great Depression at home as was much of Europe

Stalin of course at the time was in a war against the kulaks which resulted in 6 million dead from famine and an unknown number shot. This does not include the many killed in the gulags during his time as an trading partner and ally. Some estimates report the deaths under Stalins regime as high as 25 million, many others much lower. We will never know.

In any event, much of Stalins industries were built with the help of American corporations and workers. Many American workers moved to the Soviet Union during the Great Depression. A number with essential skills had their passports seized and were made Soviet citizens without their consent, and essentially became captive labor. This was well known in Washington and covered up

Meanwhile in Germany Hitlers rebuilding of industries was facilitated by financing and technology transfers from France, UK and US corporations . BIS was known as Hitlers Banker and today regulates the worlds Central Banks . It is in fact owned by the central banks which are mostly privately owned

Indeed, trade continued between the US and Soviet Union after the war until the end of the Cold War. Anthony Sutton wrote a book in the 1970's exposing this. The Soviets became proficient in using tax havens in Switzerland and later in British controlled tax havens to facilitate and hide their trade with the West

Most of the industrial and financial companies under Nazi Germany and their corporate leaders continued operations under different names and ownership structures after the war. Some served a few years in prison before resuming their careers. A paltry number were executed. Anyways, the nazi ideology has continued and spread and passed onto the next generations with lessons learned. Operation Paperclip was not limited to scientists and engineers

Ron Unz has a good recap of the holocaust for those inclined to rethink the Germans motivations and actions

In any event its interesting that the world went to war over Poland and the Soviet Union was the key ally of the US and Britain despite the fact they too invaded Poland. In the end the war was won by the allies, but the UK lost their crumbling Empire, the Soviets kept Poland under their umbrella and doubled the territory under their control, and the US State Department /military allowed China to go communist by turning their back on their Chief ally against Japan. Effectively turning the world from a multi polar, albeit heavily Euro-American influenced world to a bipolar world divided by East (Soviet dominated communism) and West (US dominated capitalism). Exactly as planned.

The Soviet Union and Uncle Joe was then changed from an ally to a Cold War enemy and Uncle Joe was allowed to be shown as the Ogre he really was. Anyone not going along with the change met the wrath of McCarthy and Trumps mentor the Lansky Mafia owned Roy Cohn

The elite got their UN and global institution s and an important faction got Israel, and Middle East Oil was well under the Wests control with the seven sisters covertly supporting Stalins oil production

Now here we are again. Putin and Russia turned from friend to foe on a dime. Teade war with China. Roy Cohns protege putting the squeeze on Russia with the twist that he is a victim of the new McCarthyism as we enter Cold War II. The new CW adds a Shia-sunni islam rift with the sunnis joining the west and Shias the east. Communism replaced by Capitalism with state direction and capitalism in the west has changed to what Mussolini called corporatism (neoliberalism or fascism)

Stay tuned

Posted by: Pft | Sep 3, 2018 8:58:27 PM | 91

The censored al Jazeera documentary on the USAmerican Israeli lobby may well be Qatari propaganda. Some may have noticed that I am quite critical of al Jazeera Arabic (which heavily campaigned for Muslims from around the world to go to Syria and fight holy Jihad against the hated secular government of the infidels). But propaganda is not necessarily false. To propagate is to nurture and help to grow.

At any rate, I haven't seen anyone mention that al Jazeera made another documentary on the Israel Lobby, but in Britain. It was released and may be viewed here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/thelobby/

Posted by: Daniel | Sep 3, 2018 9:50:03 PM | 92

Posted by: Daniel | Sep 3, 2018 9:50:03 PM | 92

Sometimes it is useful to be open to things that aren't all over some frequently incestuous grapevine, just as it is useful to see organisations as groups of individuals rather than some monolithic trot-loathing nightmare. Always difficult to explain to those who set views in stone during adolescence.
Acquaintances of mine who work at AJ and who loathe the zionist entity as much as anyone were expressing relief a while back that the investigation into zionist actions in amerika would easily supersede those of the englander doco of last year. I hadn't heard any more now I know why.
I kinda prefer to hear facts from people associated with a subject to fact free paranoiac delusions but that's just me.
The emir & cronies knew there will be whining from the troops but they also know that decent jobs in journalism are tough to come by and will be for the foreseeable, so the real issue is gonna be whether AJ staff conclude the continuing impasse plus orange's coddling of the mbs creep are sufficient to permit a torrent release of a rough cut of this doco which won't take food off their family tables.
The fact a rough cut has been shown to a journo is possibly a warning shot aimed at amerika's zionists or it could be a test by staff to see what the reaction from upstairs will be, one thing for sure is this is no furphy. Time will tell which of the other two options it is.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 3, 2018 10:53:56 PM | 93

Debsisdead @ 83: Thanks for the advice and the tip.

James @ 50: Takes a special breed of psycho politician to leapfrog the queue and go straight to Circle 8 in the Nine Circles of Hell.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 3, 2018 10:59:03 PM | 94

It's interesting that there are such vociferously argued "alternative facts" regarding the "Good War." Some argue that the evidence of official Soviet orders to rape is fraudulent. Yet, most of the world is happy to believe the entire Holocaust Religion despite not a single Nazi document having been uncovered showing official Nazi orders for a "Final Solution." Confessions obtained under torture are rightfully scoffed at when the torturer is a perceived enemy, yet such confessions are sufficient to condemn an entire nation to 3/4 century of guilt and reparations by those who control the narrative.

War is Hell! Men (and now again, women) who become excited by the carnage are quite capable of committing the most heinous of atrocities... regardless of their ideologies. Some ideologies predispose soldiers to horribly mistreat their enemies. Some resist the carnal urges regardless.

Renown Israeli Historian Benny Morris has written extensively on the Israeli "War for Independence" based on the unprecedented access he was given to the primary documents.

Benny Morris describes and defends massacres of 1946-49 :
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5262454

How cooly he describes the gang-rape of young girls:

“Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder.”

But of course, Morris is a Zionist, and so, though he makes public much of the horror that is the ongoing Nakba of the indigenous Palestinian people, he still defends it. As Mad Albright said when asked about US policies having killed 1/2 million Iraqi children age 5 or under. "The price, we think, was worth it."

"Ben-Gurion was right. If he had not done what he did, a state would not have come into being. That has to be clear. It is impossible to evade it. Without the uprooting of the Palestinians, a Jewish state would not have arisen here."

Posted by: Daniel | Sep 3, 2018 11:10:08 PM | 95

debsisdead. I found AJ America to be a generally reliable news source, which is why I specified AJ Arabic, which of course is by far their largest audience.

Did your friends work for AJ Arabic? Have you discussed with them their network's 5+ years of promoting Jihad against Syria? One program especially intrigued me. It was a debate as to whether the people of Foah and Kefraya should be allowed the chance to convert to Wahhabi Islam, or just killed. The "moderator's" decision at the end was that those civilians were just animals, and so should be slaughtered.

Those are the towns that were later part of the "four towns" agreement where people were allowed to evacuate from 2 towns held by the government and 2 held by the "rebels." Foah and Kefraya were rebel-held towns. And when the buses left with people fleeing the "rebels," they were stopped, and children were lured out with the offer of "crisps" and then blown to pieces. Most of the 80 to 100 children killed or wounded, and rounded up by White Helmets and risked away, have never again been seen by their parents.

At any rate, my point was that AJ English had already released their documentary on the Israel Lobby in Britain. I found it quite excellent, and I expect that the Lobby's tactics in the US are quite similar.

Posted by: Daniel | Sep 3, 2018 11:27:19 PM | 96

Imagine a religion that could be embraced by Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Zoroastrians, and Buddhists—a religion that served to unite all of mankind in one system of belief. I believe AGW was an element in such an attempt by one faction of the elite to create a unifying religion and global currency called the carbon dollar to replace the petro dollar. That failed and another faction has taken over

Imagine though that such a religion exists for elites, reserved for them only, the chosen elect.

As an example the founders of freemasonry which was an instrument of the illuminati saw themselves as emissaries of the highest God, a being of immeasurable light. Those at the highest degrees receive “the Truth which it calls Light.” They realize that “the Prince of Darkness . . . made Adam, whose soul was of the Divine Light. . . . so that he belonged to both Empires, that of Light and that of Darkness.” Those who remain in the lesser degrees remained unaware that “he who bears the light,” is in fact, Lucifer, “the Son of Morning.”

I can not know if there is a unifying religion among the elite , nor what form it takes, but I do think there is such an element that motivates and binds them beyond money and power , which may simply be a means to an end.

Remembering always that in order for men to do evil they must believe they are doing good.

One trick is to dehumanize those they destroy. Perhaps the cognitive elite which make up most of the elite, with IQ's 4-6 times that of the average human consider the average human to be what homo sapiens considered neanderthals to be.

Perhaps the religion is driven by a neomalthusian and Darwinian desire to cleanse the world of those resource hogging humans who are cognitively incapable of contributing to mans further evolution in a technological world and whose genetic material does not have the right stuff. Evolving man so he may be God, made as he was in Gods image.

Who knows?

Consider also the nature of these various groups. All have a organization chart much like a pyramid, the symbol and secret of an elite ruled civilization. Only the top 1% know all. The rest are on a need to know basis with less knowledge the further down the org chart they are. Many of these organizations and corporations are interlocked so the elites are all connected

So the CIA, military, nations, etc....may do evil but the vast majority of the members are good people believing they are doing good. Those few who awaken to the evil, rightly or wrongly perceived as such, are restrained by laws, financial dependency and other means from doing anything.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 4, 2018 12:21:28 AM | 97

@90 debs.. thanks for that article.. i wonder if we get to see the 4 part documentary eventually?

@92 daniel.. i feel the same way about qatar with your post@96 highlighting just how fucked these people are..that documentary would have been done after the changing dynamic with ksa/uae.. qatar seens to be trying a different game and really appear to be following thru with @ grieved idea on the syria thread about israel is the soft underbelly of the usa.. by going after israel, they are applying pressure to the usa of a different sort.. it appears they did a trade off to to remain silent if all this is true..

@94 jen.. i thought that bit of writing on mccain was brilliant in how it included dantes divine comedy in the mix! i wonder who wrote it? S do you know?

Posted by: james | Sep 4, 2018 12:28:13 AM | 98

Ambassador Kurt Volker: US To Drastically Expand Military Assistance To Ukraine

Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 4, 2018 12:44:05 AM | 99

Idlib is coming front and center very soon, it appears.

Ziad Fadel has a new piece up today, in which he illustrates that Russia is heavily involved in the Idlib campaign, and he surmises that Putin wants to tie the Syria campaign off and bring most of his fighters home - perhaps or perhaps not, but either way there is a great sense of finality in the air. The fate of the terrorists who have been corralled into Idlib, Fadel states, is death. There is no more relocation. It ends at Idlib. Most of these terrorists must die, and massive force is being drawn up to achieve this. The short article by Fadel is upbeat, which is his style but perhaps in this case warranted:

Bristling with arms and top-heavy with manpower, the Syrian Army is now at its very best. I am also pleased to inform my readers that members of the FSA who volunteered to fight with the SAA are doing exactly that and have complemented our capabilities with much knowledge about how the terrorists function after training with British and American spooks. Their role is invaluable and their loyalty is not in question any longer. -- The Challenge of Idlib

Canthama commenting on this piece says the countdown has begun, and he expects the action to start by late this week. He also points to the latest piece by Magnier, also dated today: Will the battle of Idlib start while Russian task force is in the Mediterranean? – Elijah J. Magnier

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I will add my thought that everyone has fought a long and hard road to get to this point. The terrorists must die, or be otherwise neutralized. Nothing will stop this. By comparison with the firepower that is about to be unleashed, and the fierce human intelligence and discernment that will be brought to the task - as well as the nightmare of Russian power sitting out in the Med - by comparison with all this, it seems difficult to make a place for US false flag nonsense in this scene. It could happen, and even so be completely dwarfed by the reality of events on the ground.

What if the US threw a party and the rest of the world was too busy killing terrorists to show up?

It doesn't matter what is done to feed the US propaganda machine, which itself feeds only the hapless. None of it can compare with the real action. The US and Israel are simply outclassed, and the universe knows it. Idlib now invokes a force that cannot be denied. And in the words of Ghassan Kadi: "What a battle it will be."

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 4, 2018 1:09:47 AM | 100

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