Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 31, 2018

Which Fascist Said This?

Who said this?

Always before god and the world the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills. ... The whole of nature is a mighty struggle between strength and weakness, an eternal victory of the strong over the weak.

Who is paraphrased here?

The first state to adopt evolutionary ethics would prevail over all others in the struggle for existence. ... Extermination and war then became moral goods to eliminate the weak.

And who said this?

The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive. The strong are respected, and alliances are made with the strong, and in the end peace is made with the strong.

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Answers:

1. Adolph Hitler on April 13 1923 in Munich

2. Wilhelm Schallmayer, co-founder of the German eugenics movement in the early 20th century, paraphrased here.

3. Benjamin Netanyahoo on August 29 2018 at the Negev Nuclear Weapon Center (Also here.)


Also:

It is not just by chance that Netanyahoo sounds like Hitler. Both, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, and Adolph Hitler developed their political awareness around the turn of the century in imperial Vienna. Social Darwinism was the rage of that time. Fascists and Zionists drank from the same poisoned well.

Besides - did you know that Hitler did not want to exterminate the Jews? An Arab made him do that. A Muslim. That is according to one Benjamin Netanyahoo, currently prime minister of the Zionist entity in Palestine:

In a speech before the World Zionist Congress in Jerusalem, Netanyahu described a meeting between Husseini and Hitler in November, 1941: "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jew. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here (to Palestine).' According to Netanyahu, Hitler then asked: "What should I do with them?" and the mufti replied: "Burn them."

The account is, of course, historically nonsense.


Related:

The administration of the Hindu supremacist Narendra Modi in India launched an arrest campaign to silence its critics. Its demonetization program, a first step to introduce a degressive bank transaction tax, did not achieve the desired results but created an economic mess. Modi's re-election is in danger. The accusations against the arrested people imply, correctly in my view, that the government of India is fascist:

Elgaar Parishad probe: Those held part of anti-fascist plot to overthrow govt, Pune police tells court

 

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"The strong are respected"...……….What a disgusting and dangerous little man Netenyahoo is.

Posted by: grafter | Aug 31, 2018 9:36:07 AM | 1

I figured one of those quotes had to have been from Winston Churchill. Though on second thought, his forte was more in the denigration of brown-skinned people.

Posted by: Martin Finnucane | Aug 31, 2018 9:49:53 AM | 2

When and if fascism comes to America it will not be labeled “made in Germany”; it will not be marked with a swastika; it will not even be called fascism; it will be called, of course, “Americanism.”

Professor Halford E. Luccock of the Divinity School of Yale University in a sermon at the Riverside Church, Riverside Drive and 122d Street, NYC. September 1938.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 31, 2018 9:57:38 AM | 3

1,000-year Reich 2.0

Dumbfucks

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31, 2018 9:58:14 AM | 4

So what.
1 and 3 are not even arguments, they are plain old description of reality as it is.
As for point 2, that's that old German arrogance, how the hell do you know what the genome "wants". Taken form what we know today, a eugenic state would initiate a program of forced miscegenation.

Posted by: Northern Observer | Aug 31, 2018 10:10:13 AM | 5

God is dead.... and we killed him.

Such is the arrogance of evolutionary ethics. And so too, we pay the price of a system built on such folly. Certainly no better than those who claim divine sanction to slaughter and destroy.

Posted by: les7 | Aug 31, 2018 10:16:53 AM | 6

"The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive. The strong are respected, and alliances are made with the strong, and in the end peace is made with the strong."

It is ironic that Netanyahoo should say that. Netanyahoo himself is extremely weak and unstable due to his corruption and the criminal probes against him. He flexes his muscles and violently bullies the Palestinians and illegally bombs Syria to assert a strength that is nonexistent. Israel is weak against its neighbours especially Hezbollah and Syria, its IDF is weak and ineffective against Hezbollah and the Syrian army, and in its insane paranoia it is so fanning the flames of conflict that it risks inciting (or may even itself initiate) a war that realistically could result in its own annihilation.

Posted by: BM | Aug 31, 2018 10:24:19 AM | 7

OT?

Here is what is obviously-to-me THE REAL NEWS! See:

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RT America News -- 30 Aug, 2018 -- Russia warns US not to ‘play with fire’ in Syria – Lavrov
https://www.rt.com/news/437256-lavrov-warning-syria-west/

Russia’s foreign minister is the latest official to warn the US against using a possible chemical weapons provocation to justify a new strike against Syrian forces. He said Moscow warned the West not to play with fire in Syria.

Sergey Lavrov reiterated the warning that a staged chemical weapons attack in Syria’s Idlib province may trigger a US-led attack on the forces loyal to Damascus.

READ MORE: US & allies can have missiles ready to strike Syria within 24 hours – Russian Foreign Ministry

“A new provocation is being prepared by the West to hamper the anti-terrorist operation in Idlib,” Lavrov said during a joint media conference with his Syrian counterpart, Walid Muallem. “We have facts on the table and have issued a strong warning to our Western partners through our Defense Ministry and our Foreign Ministry not to play with fire.”
Read more
Advancing Syrian troops hoist the national flag. © Mikhail Alaeddin Idlib to become Syria's final battle with terrorists… if the West stays out of it

Earlier, the Russian military reported that a group of militants in Syria was preparing a provocation, in which chlorine gas would be used to frame the Syrian government forces. The incident would be used by the US and its allies to justify a new attack against the country, similar to what happened in April, according to the claim.

Amid international tensions, Russia has launched a massive naval exercise in the Mediterranean Sea, which involves 25 ships and 30 aircraft, including Tu-160 strategic bombers.

The US earlier stated that it would retaliate to a possible a chemical attack by the Syrian government, using more firepower than it did in April. The previous tripartite strike by the US, the UK and France targeted what they called sites involved in chemical weapons research. It came in response to an alleged use of an improvised chlorine bomb against a militant-held area. Russia insists that the incident had been staged with the goal of triggering the Western response.
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Also:

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RT America News -- 30 Aug, 2018 -- US & allies can have missiles ready to strike Syria within 24 hours – Russian Foreign Ministry
https://www.rt.com/news/437212-us-allies-strike-syria/

It will take the US and its allies just 24 hours to ready its missile-strike group for an attack against Syria, the Russian Foreign Ministry said. The statement comes amid warnings of a possible false-flag chemical attack.

The coalition strike group has around 70 delivery vehicles deployed to the Middle East, the ministry’s spokesperson Maria Zakharova told reporters at her news briefing on Thursday. The arsenal includes nearly 380 cruise missiles, and US Navy missile destroyers ‘Karni’ and ‘Ross’ deployed to the region, each carrying 28 Tomahawk cruise missiles.
Read more
Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists in Syria. © Ammar Abdullah Planned chemical weapon provocation in Idlib aimed to prevent removal of terrorists – Lavrov

Earlier, the Pentagon denied Moscow’s claim that Washington was building up military forces in the region. One of the US warships, USS ‘The Sullivans,’ left the Persian Gulf after media reports about an increased American military presence in the area, according to Zakharova.

While rejecting news of its growing presence in the region, the “US military forgot to mention that they can build up missile capabilities to strike Syria in just 24 hours. The strike group of the United States, France and the UK currently consists of planes, strategic and tactical aircraft at bases in Jordan, Kuwait, Crete,” Zakharova said.

Moscow has repeatedly warned that a false flag chemical weapons attack is being planned in Syria's Idlib province to frame Damascus and use as a pretext for a new strike. Eight canisters of chlorine were delivered to a village near Jisr al-Shughur city, and a group of militants, trained in the handling of chemical weapons by the British private military contractor Olive Group, arrived in the area, according to Defense Ministry.

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that the planned provocation is aimed only at preventing the expulsion of terrorists from the de-escalation zone in Idlib. He also accused the US of trying to get rid of another “dissident regime” in Syria, as was the case in Iraq and Libya.
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The second of these RT links is being totally censored by Google and DuckDuckGo. I think something big is up. Perhaps WW-III.

Posted by: blues | Aug 31, 2018 10:39:24 AM | 8

Hitler's inspiration for the specifics of Nazism was Sparta (while the political system in itself was inspired from Fascism). It's amazing (and one of the most glaring examples of liberal self-censorship) that people don't know about this fact.

For people who don't know, (the famous version of) Sparta was a post-communist polis of Classical Greece, born from the reforms of mythological Lycourgos in the 9th Century BCE. Apart from the apparent military discipline, Classical Sparta was famous for two things:

1) it didn't killed the male population of the conquered poleis in the Peloponnese and captured and assimilated the adult female population; instead, it enslaved them, and institutionalized their status (the helots). It was impossible, in theses, for a helot to become a Spartiate, so the helots population became much larger than the Spartiate population over time. The most amazing fact here is that, albeit some helot revolts probably happened, they were never victorious. Hitler rationalized it as Spartiate genetic superiority.

2) the Spartiates allegedly practiced eugenics among themselves. This was immortalized in our times by the popular movie "300", where they threw defective newborns over a cliff. This cliff really exists and there are many skeletons found there by archaeologists, but none of them are from babies or even children -- only adult males were found (probably criminals; there wwas no prisonal system in the ancient world because it would be very expensive: penalties were usually execution for the common guy -- and throwing from a cliff was a very traditional way of execution, practiced by the Romans since the kingdom times -- and exile for the powerful). Again, Hitler rationalized this (probably myth) as the cause for (1).

But the rationalization behind those three quotes is wrong: yes, it is true that "might" is an essential ingredient for "right", but might doesn't come from intrinsic characteristics of a given people (be it genetic or religious).

For the first case, Darwin's Natural Selection theory is clear: it only happens because reproduction is random. Factors such as geographical isolation are hindering factors of natural selections. In other words, artificial selection (eugenics) is a bad way of doing natural selection: it is always the environment that should decide who reproduces and who doesn't, human breeding should always be random (i.e. by chance) if we want to keep our genetic diversity at the healthies state possible.

For the second case, just empirical investigation is enough: a religion only consolidates itself as dominant ex post facto, i.e. after the domination is done. Religion is only to reinforce consensus of the power. But religion by itself doesn't generate power: Islam, for example, was born as a necessity of the merchants of Mecca to initiate a bellicose expansion through the Arabian peninsula (and beyond). But it was economic necessity which gave birth to the religion, not the religion that gave birth to the economic necessity.

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As for Modi. It was a known fact his monetary policy would fail. The Chinese had already warned, days after it was approved:

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1030501.shtml

His demonetisation policy only didn't result in the immediate collapse of his government because most Indian people don't have access to such big notes to begin with. He gained significant popular support from the poorest rural areas with this:

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2017/03/14/modi-rules-harvard-doesnt/

Fool's gold.

Posted by: VK | Aug 31, 2018 10:40:32 AM | 9

Could have been Churchill, Kissinger, Poppy Bush, Henry Ford, Lloyd Blankfein, Patton, Sherman, John McCain, Ollie North, any member of the Cheney family, either of the Kagan brothers plus Nudelman, Andrew Jackson, Karl Rove, Pliny the elder, or hundreds of other like-minded heroes whom made sincere, heartfelt remarks such as these.

Now JEB or Dubya or Nikki Haley, or Betsy DeVoss, for example, don't have the brain cells to put together sentences like these, but they uphold this worldview for a trust fund or a paycheck.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Aug 31, 2018 10:51:50 AM | 10

"In their blind hatred for Trump, liberals have sunk to an all-time low by unabashedly cheering a war criminal."
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/437350-brennan-maher-liberals-trump/

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 31, 2018 10:57:52 AM | 11

Full title of Darwin's magnum opus: 'On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life'. Presumably, though, favoured by nature, not by human intervention. Therein lies the problem: Man has a mind, a will and an awareness of the past, and for thinkers like Samuel Butler and Marx, Darwin (who was influenced by Malthus) had advanced scientific thought a lot, but had not given a full picture.

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Aug 31, 2018 11:03:22 AM | 12

Surely some will always be stronger than others. The real question is whether the strong have an obligation to help the weak.

Posted by: dh | Aug 31, 2018 11:09:15 AM | 13

@8 I did a duck-duck-go and google search on "missiles ready to strike Syria within 24 hours" and both popped up the RT article at the head of the search.

Posted by: Trisha Driscoll | Aug 31, 2018 11:16:39 AM | 14

"Meglio viviere un giorno da leone che cento da pecore." " Better to live a dy as lion then 100 days as a sheep. "
Benito Mussolini circa 1924. Fascist and Zionist LA MEME CHOSE

Posted by: falcemartello | Aug 31, 2018 11:38:59 AM | 15

"I Troskisti sono le puttane dei fascisti." "Trotskyist are the whores of the fascists."
Antonio Gramsci circa 1929

Posted by: falcemartello | Aug 31, 2018 11:41:58 AM | 16

Agree totally with b’s take on Netanyahu. What an a-hole.

I am eagerly awaiting b’s commentary on the neo-Nazi mobs in Germany. No doubt the rise of fascism in Europe is related to U.S. driven wars in the Middle East which have produced hundreds of thousands of refugees, but what can be done about it? I should think that step number one is to cease hostilities in Syria, thus allowing civil society to normalize. This would stem the outward flow of refugees and encourage the inward flow of many who would want to return to their homeland.

Posted by: Rob | Aug 31, 2018 11:43:17 AM | 17

In Donbass, horrible news. Zakharchenko assassinated.

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4423826.html

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201808311067645316-explosion-dpr-victim/

Posted by: Red Ryder | Aug 31, 2018 12:09:16 PM | 18

#18, Yes, horrible news today. Ukraine had been gunning for him for a long time and they finally succeeded. He was a hero who tried to make a better and fairer place for his people--which cannot be tolerated by certain powers that be.

Posted by: worldblee | Aug 31, 2018 12:14:16 PM | 19

DPR leader Alexander Zakharchenko was assassinated earlier today. Poroschenko will be next as the gloves are now most certainly off. The Kiev fascists have sealed their fate.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31, 2018 12:17:51 PM | 20

Communists and Jews were in concentration camps in Germany since 1933 in Dachau eight years before the meeting, starved, exploited to collapse and death in quarries. In fact most of first Jews were communists, candidates from KPD arrested before elections of April 1933 conducted under emergency law with Hitler's designated as Kantzler.

Posted by: Kalen | Aug 31, 2018 12:19:57 PM | 21


"We hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."

A summary of Athenian statements to the Melians, Book V, 5.89-[1]
Melian Dialogue
History of the Peloponnesian War
Thucydides

The final clause is often quoted by many people, among them Noam Chomsky.

The Melian Dialogue is a brilliant fictionalized recreation of the pre-siege negotiations between Athens and Melos. It is important to note that, from a military point of view, the brutal genocidal siege, while initially successful, was short-lived, successfully over-turned by the Spartans, and ultimately regretted by many Athenians (Cf. example of hubris).

Perhaps more revealing is the spirit in which Thucycides is quoted: Triumphantly, realistically, or lamentably.

Posted by: Ex-Reedie | Aug 31, 2018 12:33:27 PM | 22

The Twitter link on the Netanyahu quote is a gold mine! Simply scroll down!

'Russian interference???' 'We're working to prevent Iran from establishing military presence in Syria. We won't relent in pursuit of this goal as we did not relent in bringing about the cancellation of the bad nuclear deal w/ Iran, a goal seen impossible when I put it on the intl agenda several years ago
10:05 - 29. 8. 2018'

Posted by: Hephie | Aug 31, 2018 12:36:21 PM | 23

Posted by: Northern Observer | Aug 31, 2018 10:10:13 AM | 5

1 and 3 are not even arguments, they are plain old description of reality as it is.

Not quite.
In (1) the second sentence could pass as an observation, but the first one cannot. It contains the verb "has to" so it is not a passive statement but the assertive one. It implies a necessity and desire.
In (3), yes, from that quote alone it is not clear is Bibi identifies himself with the weak, or with the strong. So, you might be right, it could be that he just cynically describes the world as is, without endorsing it. However, it clear IMO on which side he prefers to be.
But, I do not see that kind of attitude much different than for example of my realtor who told that I should install alarm in my apartment so that a prospective burglar chooses someone else's place to rob, instead of mine.
Or a car dealer who sells huge 4x4 SUV monsters to moms telling them that it is safer for her children, because in case of collision, passengers in larger vehicle are less injured than in the smaller one. And moms do buy them. And put a sticker on the back 'Baby in car' what I find quite ironic.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 31, 2018 12:37:49 PM | 24

Jesus Christ, Ukraine really wants war, is it Nato that have pushed them on as usual?

Donetsk People's Republic Head Zakharchenko Killed in Bomb Blast
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201808311067645316-explosion-dpr-victim/

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 31, 2018 12:40:52 PM | 25

2.

History has proved Netanyahu wrong: The strong are not respected but, eventually, overcome.
His is a statement of weakness.

Posted by: Ex-Reedie | Aug 31, 2018 12:41:42 PM | 26

"Minorities shall bow or leave", according to a presidential candidate here in Brazil.

Posted by: Miranda | Aug 31, 2018 12:49:29 PM | 27

"Surely some will always be stronger than others. The real question is whether the strong have an obligation to help the weak." dh
There is no question about it: unless the strong assist the weak the community will dissolve. Society depends upon mutual aid and without society the strongest individual perishes and disappears.
Nothing is more mistaken than to regard the ravings of fascists and the fantasies of eugenicists as 'common sense' axioms. In reality man is a social creature almost uniquely unable to survive alone.
Hitler and Netanyahu were/are whistling in the dark, attempting to banish their consciousness of the inevitable fate of the unjust whose actions are a stench in the nostrils of humanity-Karma.
Will Israel survive until 2030?

Posted by: bevin | Aug 31, 2018 12:50:18 PM | 28

So far as the assassination of Alexander Zakharchenko is concerned the immediate question is whether NATO was involved. Canada in particular, with its Bandera supporters in high places, will be under suspicion.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 31, 2018 12:56:15 PM | 29

This video (click CC for English Subtitles) is in tribute to Alexander Zakharchenko.
He fought in all the big battles, wounded three times, the last a bad wound to his foot that took years since to walk normal (Debaltsevo battle).

He was a good man. He delivered Ukie sons back to their mothers.

Russia is blessed with great heroes who fight to the death. He was unafraid of death. He loved Donbass and Russia.

He appears in the video at 0:49. I believe this was very early in the fight for the airport battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I0Bgb-vAAY

Posted by: Red Ryder | Aug 31, 2018 12:56:16 PM | 30

In his report, Garrie says: "The Russian Foreign Minister has condemned the terrorist act and has accused the Kiev regime of committing an act of state terrorism." I've yet to see Lavrov's statement, but I trust Garrie.

As for American Fascism, the entire mindset of American Exceptionalism combined with the doctrine of Manifest Destiny provide it with a substantial foundation. Combined with the implied imperialism within JQ Adams speech that outlined what became known as The Monroe Doctrine, White, Anglo-Saxon superiority was further institutionalized. Social-Darwinism is quite complex to discuss despite it being a relatively simple concept on the surface. Wikipedia's page is rather good on this topic and shows Herbert Spencer published his ideas before Darwin published his revolutionary book. Vice-President Henry Wallace is the most prominent American citizen I know of to write boldly about American Fascism In his famous NY Times op/ed The Dangers of American Fascism that concludes thusly:

"Fascism in the postwar inevitably will push steadily for Anglo-Saxon imperialism and eventually for war with Russia. Already American fascists are talking and writing about this conflict and using it as an excuse for their internal hatreds and intolerances toward certain races, creeds and classes."

Yes, he saw it but IMO was too soft toward it. I'd be remiss not to mention Bertram Gross's bold 1980 book Friendly Fascism and Sheldon Wolin's Inverted Totalitarianism.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31, 2018 1:29:21 PM | 31

Northern Observer - "1 and 3 are not even arguments, they are plain old description of reality as it is"

Not so. The Primitive Darwinists took no account of feedback, or inter-related systems. The super-tiger eats all the prey and then dies out. There has to be a balance.

But that's a mechanistic refutation of the Primitive Darwinist argument, not that much better than the argument itself. To be human surely means something different in any case, unless we are to succumb to mechanistic determinism.

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 31, 2018 1:30:22 PM | 32

https://youtu.be/e9iPBkNfLeM

Not Lavrov himself but Zakharchenko.

http://tass.ru/politika/5512161 RUS
http://tass.com/politics/1019487 ENG

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 31, 2018 2:46:57 PM | 33

Of course Zakharova (Maria), not Zakharchenko himself

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 31, 2018 2:47:36 PM | 34

I did not know that is from the Melian Dialogue.

I thought it comes from Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist, who is after all blamed as a father/idelogue of Nazim.

"What is good? All that enhances the feeling of power, the Will to Power, and the power itself in man. What is bad? All that proceeds from weakness. What is happiness? The feeling that power is increasing— that resistance has been overcome. Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but competence. The first principle of our humanism is that the weak and the failures shall perish. And they ought to be helped to perish."

Posted by: partizan | Aug 31, 2018 2:47:45 PM | 35

BTW, if to take Minsk-2 treaty as a
1. legally important document, as
2. having its own standing apart from being incorporated in UNSC resolution, too

Then now Plotnisky remains the only signatory of Minsk-2 from L/DPR side. Whether that is Chekhov's gun or just a fact wth zero importance remains to bee seen.

Sorry for sparse microposting.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 31, 2018 2:52:22 PM | 36

As far as the strong protecting the weak, the human animal is a prime example of this as the mother and infant must be protected for several years before either can fend for themselves. Another well known example is the mother bear protecting her cubs--don't mess with either! There's no superiority/inferiority involved as such in either example as both are natural mechanisms. The concept of social castes/classes was very well established millennia ago with numerous ideas put forth to justify their existence, many of which still operate today. Many of those ideas are present within the Monthly Review article I linked to yesterday. Engels may or may not have coined the term Social Murder, but even the Whigs agreed as this passage shows:

"In 1844, Frederick Engels wrote that 'English society daily and hourly commits what the working-men’s organs, with perfect correctness, characterize as social murder.… It has placed the workers under conditions in which they can neither retain health nor live long…[and] it undermines the vital force of these workers gradually, little by little, and so hurries them to the grave before their time.'24 Anyone who thinks that Engels was not an objective witness should compare his judgement to that of the influential Whig journal the Edinburgh Review:

"Out of every two persons who die in the east of London, one perishes from preventable causes. From twenty to thirty thousand of the labouring population of London are killed every year by causes which, if we chose, we might expel by a current of water. Though we do not take these persons out of their houses and murder them, we do the same thing in effect,—we neglect them in their poisonous homes, and leave them there to a lingering but a certain death."

It's very easy to see why Marx and Engels characterized what they observed in England and Europe as Class War. But can the English of the mid 1800s be characterized as fascist, or perhaps just the elite?

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31, 2018 2:56:40 PM | 37

Arioch @34--

Thanks for the correction. Deputy Defense Minister and defense spokesman of Donetsk People's Republic Eduard Basurin:

"The US was directly involved in it."

Suspects were arrested, but it's not clear to me if Basurin spoke before any info was obtained from them. Certainly from a cause and effect perspective the Outlaw US Empire is guilty. I'm sure much more's being said in Russian. Russian government's accused the Kiev junta of committing an act of State Terrorism, so I wonder if it will meet the same fate as terrorists within Syria.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31, 2018 3:08:45 PM | 38

#36,

Plotnitsky . (Carpenter) was retired out of office months ago. He's "retired" in Russia.

Minsk 2 signatures don't matter. Never did. What matters is Ukraine will never get its border back.
It is losing its access to Azov Sea. And soon, will lose a sizeable portion of the West to Hungary and Poland. Same issue. Cultural attack on languages of Poles and Hungarians in Ukraine. Just like the attack on Russian-speakers in Donbass, Odessa, Mariupol and Crimea.

The legal bone in the throat will remain until Ukraine cracks. EU, Germany, USA keep insisting on Minsk 2. So, it lives. Ironic. Because it will never be fulfilled.

The power of Minsk 2 is in its total unacceptability by any Kiev government. That's how cleverly it was constructed.
They can't get out from under it and they will never fulfill its 13 steps.

Like a patient hooked to IV filled with slow-acting poison.

Posted by: Red Ryder | Aug 31, 2018 3:23:13 PM | 39

All three scenarios fit the Ayn Rand model for humanity..

Posted by: ben | Aug 31, 2018 3:43:21 PM | 40

"...since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must..." Thucydides - he said it in Melian Dialogue.

But the quote should be read in context...and is itself a paraphrase of Athenian Policy,

It is also True. Yes indeed, fascists do sometimes say true things...it happens. I do not like fascists, but I do like truth, doesn't everybody?

Posted by: Walter | Aug 31, 2018 4:00:48 PM | 41

@16

Gramsci's thinking thrives in many fields, being a safe haven for political and intellectual organizations midway between the pure abandonment of Marxism and unrestricted adherence to neoliberal "democracy".
Gramsci became the prostitute of the neoliberals, as he was before that of the recycled Stalinists when against "Trotskyism", whatever this was.

Posted by: Webra | Aug 31, 2018 4:30:52 PM | 42

Social Darwinism and Eugenics was certainly not owned by Fascists alone. Its alive and well today and is used to justify neoliberal economics and imperialism. The strong (cognitive or physical) rule the weak. Any attempt at equalizing the disparity is labelled as Socialism and is opposed in part for fears it promotes dysgenics.

Posted by: Pft | Aug 31, 2018 5:10:37 PM | 43

So since this blog entry is dedicated on "The delusions of grandeur that the United States of America suffer", I will let you on a little secret....


I am doing this because USA is literally a midget and that is not my personal oppinion.
USA is as defenceless as a baby cockroach trying to find its way out of a stinky poophole using as a nest.

God has a very strange sense of humor it seems.

For the love of me I can't figure out why He chose these clowns to pretend they are the global superpower in order for Mankind to be bullied around.
It must be our collective sins!

I can understand, Rome, Persia, Greece, China, India, even some portions of European history, but USA is a total joke.


So....

Considering the Moon landings of 1969....

I let you on to a little secret....

"Were they fake, were they real"?

Did they really go to the Moon?

Well... they were Fake and they were Real.
They did use studios and faked settings.
They did use real footage from their real landings.
They did mess around with the real images transmitted to the world.
They were hiding stuff.
STUFF THAT WERE NOT TRYING TO HIDE THEMSELVES....
Even though the Americans created and used "Project Blue Book" a few years before the actual moon landings to intimidate the Powers that Be that would mess with their Space Program and their show that was about to go off for the World to acknowledge the useless Americans as a Global superpower.

Yes, the empty headed Americans thought they could blackmail and intimidate a collective that has been creating military technology for millions of years. Yes, millions of years, on and off this World. On the land, in the sea, under the sea, under the earth, in the Moon, ON the Moon, on various other solar bodies etc. Wherever the need arose, they were there doing stuff even before humans existed, because such is the history of the World, we are but a brieff part of the whole picture, one that came last to the "party".

To find more about that stuff, just consider, what research facilities the US. NAVY (because they are the ones that hold the Real Space Program in the US) established- and where, but most importantly, for what.

Yes there were stuff in the Moon pictures, present right there in the Moon Mission/s, they ommited from TVs and cameras.
If you like to find what kind of stuff, just search what kind fo base they currently maintain in the island of Creete (north west side), and do a bit of research of anomalous phenomenae on the opposite south side of the islands coasts, but not only there.

Remember, they call their bases "listening posts".But what are they really listening and how? How is Israel involved in all of this? What Israel has to do in all of that? First of all jews can't send a man in to space. Whatever they have sent came back crispy, or never made it back at all. So they need others to do the work for them, but even then...

Yep. ole Kim was right, "it rings like a bell". If it keeps ringing, you can't figure out all the rest of the damn noise, can you?

LOL

Posted by: Greece | Aug 31, 2018 5:49:43 PM | 44

Darwin had it right I think. Or maybe it was the ancient Greeks. I'm trying pretty hard to keep up here,eugenics might be partly responsible for that.

Thank Christ somebody broke in with news of that guy getting blowed up. Somebody said Canada might be the culprit. Well, suck me dry and call me Dusty, I never heard of that motherfucker and neither have any of my friends at the bar. Maybe it's because of that gal who had a granddad that was a Uke who liked Nazi invaders better than the Russians. But she's pretty busy right now trying deal with other stuff. Like the biggest trade deal in the world.

But there's some PHD stuff here for sure.

Posted by: peter | Aug 31, 2018 5:59:33 PM | 45

I had been going to propose that the answer to all three questions was "Thrasymachus" (from Plato's Republic) - but I see in checking my source that all that fine young man did actually say was that justice is the advantage of the stronger, using as an example the rulers of cities who order things to their own advantage. And indeed, the statement is refuted, which causes the frightening man to blush...But best to read the original, as what Thrasymachus represents looms larger in that setting and in the labyrinthian dialogue upon whose threshold he makes his claim.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 31, 2018 6:45:58 PM | 46

So back to current affairs !
England is now devided down the middle politically, as is a whole list of country's, to many to mention. left and right increaseingly polerised ! Perhaps the most important being usa. If we look at the right wing street violence in Germany this week, we see what is going to happen all the way round very soon. This weeks violent aggressive protest is much much bigger than people realise ! It was aimed at inocent people in the street, it was apparently protesting about victems of western military aggression being in Germany. But not stateing their victems, but the problem.
Last Sunday these nazi's and there simperfiers numbered 6000 but the truth is a large proportion of the police present were on there side. Looking the other way when violence occurred failing to arrest people doing the nazi salute. The coalition govenment has a large part extreme right wing.
These next weeks determine which way western country's will swing. We can stop the nazi's on the street's or we can except the consequences.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 31, 2018 6:50:10 PM | 47

There aren't any more fascists. Haven't you heard? They're called white nationalists now. Or at least that's what I read in the NY Times.

Posted by: Chas | Aug 31, 2018 7:05:37 PM | 48

@ Posted by: peter | Aug 31, 2018 5:59:33 PM | 45

Like the biggest trade deal in the world.

Given the context of your whole comment, I'm considering this an apology to Trump and an insult to the people who comment in this blog.

World trade (globalization) has halted.

Whatever thing Trump and his minions (American allies, "Western Civilization") are doing right now, they are just reestructuring already existing trade deals at best.

-//-

As for the "Greek" discussion. It's not a surprise Hitler took at least some inspiration from the ancient Greek. From the 19th to early 20th Century, there was some kind of "Greek revival" in Germany's academic circles. Take Nietzsche for example: he dialogues with the Greeks (mainly Plato and Socrates) many times. Even that so-called Nazi historian (forgot his name) focused on the ancient Greek. Hell, even Marx did his doctorate thesis over Epicurus. So, Hitler essentially lived in the end of a "philellene" period of Germany.

Posted by: vk | Aug 31, 2018 7:13:34 PM | 49

To jump right in: OMG this headline

https://www.rt.com/business/437348-imf-supports-ramaphosa-land-reform/

I have been a student of the history of hemispheres and I see this as an abrupt redirect. Several heavily destructive wars have been fought over this in just the last 55 years. LAND REFORM is on the economic agenda. At the IMF indeed.

Posted by: Union Horse | Aug 31, 2018 7:26:43 PM | 50

Yeah vk, and your arse is a star.

Check the numbers you stupid fuck. There is no trade anywhere that exceeds Canada-US trade.

But other than that you seem really smart.

Posted by: peter | Aug 31, 2018 7:31:17 PM | 51

Even at this late stage, the right wing can be stopped peacefully! By sheer weight of numbers alone. tomorrow again they plan a large demonstration. It's now time for the German public to stand up against the reemergence of full blown hitler style fascism taking over there country. And lastly a warning as shocking as it is you can no longer trust your police, they are no longer on your side or on the side of law and order. I don't say this lightly ! I have been following events closely !

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 31, 2018 7:33:20 PM | 52

Netanyahoo and David Irving arguing in the same direction regarding Hitler and the slaughter of Europe's Jews. Wow.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Aug 31, 2018 8:22:09 PM | 53

Netanyahu is threatening to use nukes.

Posted by: Robert Browning | Aug 31, 2018 8:23:28 PM | 54

@ Posted by: peter | Aug 31, 2018 7:31:17 PM | 51

I will consider this ad hominem attack a victory for me.

But really, facts are facts. I don't do ideologies. It doesn't matter who I am or who you are, the truth is the truth.

Posted by: vk | Aug 31, 2018 8:41:25 PM | 55

When will people realize these never ending wars in the ME are fought for the 880 pound gorilla....Israel....

Posted by: notlurking | Aug 31, 2018 9:00:01 PM | 56

at vk 55

and the truth shall set you free

another victory for you, must be getting tiring by now

God bless you and all the other idiots who buy into your horseshit

why not get a job?

Posted by: peter | Aug 31, 2018 9:10:40 PM | 57

Thanks, b, I didn't see the (scroll down) so leapt right to search engines and in: Vision and Violence
Arthur P. Mendel · 1999 · Philosophy
from the Google Books access, found some pretty dundew'd up stuff. Are these really quotations? Wow, eugenics must have been a thrill ride in the 1930s for a gimp.

Posted by: Chipnik | Aug 31, 2018 10:10:00 PM | 58

Netanyahu is threatening to use nukes.
Posted by: Robert Browning | Aug 31, 2018 8:23:28 PM | 54

He hasn't got any nukes.
If he had some he'd be gloating about "Israel's" strategic superiority over Iran. But he's not doing that. He's whingeing about the existential threat Iran poses to "Israel."
It doesn't add up.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 31, 2018 10:17:42 PM | 59

"Israel's" ambiguous nukes were a convenient excuse for the parasites who sell Palestinian land to gullible Jews, and pocket the 'reparations' from Germany, to make a lot of OTHER money disappear.
It's got nothing whatsoever to do with self-defense.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 31, 2018 10:43:56 PM | 60

Israel denies nukes because admitting their presence would cause big problems for isn'treal's primary underwriter, amerika, who still have some law/s on the books preventing the grant of foreign 'aid' to a nuclear power.
I cannot remember if it was #42 or #43, but one of the imperial mouthpieces was forced to high tail it over to India in order to stitch up a deal that would allow amerika to fully exploit India's population, primarily because of that legislation. On the other hand if those who wanna believe that the most blatant example of Sephards copping it up the jacksie from ashkenazi racists, Mordechai Vanunu, is actually living a clandestine life of luxury and not a squalid, oppressed existence as an example of the dangers of remaining a staunchly anti-zionist jew, do prefer to subscribe to hasbara memes, what can the rest of us say/do other than sigh in despair and move past such tosh?

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 1, 2018 12:20:57 AM | 61

#59

Israel possesses at least 350 nukes, most are tactical size. Though they may have some strategic size.
They have them for naval, artillery, mines and bombs and missiles.

You are apparently the last to know.

They have had them since at least the 70s.
They used them to blackmail the US in the '73 war.

Posted by: Red Ryder | Sep 1, 2018 12:58:32 AM | 62

Tell me where the lie is with 1 and 3? To deny 1 and 3 is to deny the facts of history.

Posted by: cine | Sep 1, 2018 1:15:18 AM | 63

@63 cine
"Tell me where the lie is with 1 and 3? To deny 1 and 3 is to deny the facts of history."

You could sing a song of victory in front of your enemies. This does not mean that victory does not exist.

Posted by: Antares | Sep 1, 2018 2:08:31 AM | 64

Posted by: Red Ryder | Sep 1, 2018 12:58:32 AM | 62
("Israel" has 350 nukes (and never tells porkies)).

Honest?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 1, 2018 2:12:12 AM | 65

" It is not just by chance that Netanyahoo sounds like Hitler. Both, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, and Adolph Hitler developed their political awareness around the turn of the century "

interestingly, the Indian fascists of the Hindutva movement, of which the RSS organisation is the mothership, also have intellectual links to the Nazis... The romantic irrationalist texts from which the european fascists drew their inspiration were translated into Marathi and read avidly, by the brahmins of western india where Hindutva ideology was incubated.

It is important to make a distinction between Hinduism, the religion, and 'Hindutva' which is a political ideology. Hindutva is more old-fascism than neo-fascism. The RSS, the mothership of this ideology, has been organising their movement for nearly a hundred years. And it is follows quite well the old-fascist pattern. The mothership sends expeditionary contingents into each area of social life and captures it - nazi youth, nazi unions, nazi lawyers, etc. The present phase is probably best captured by the old nazi term, 'gleichschaltung' , the attempt to force social institutions into the fascist mould... there seems to be now an ongoing attempt to capture the universities, the media, the supreme court etc. in India.

Those interested can check out the following books

1. Walter Andersen and S Damle Brotherhood in Saffron...
(a reliable objective description of the RSS.. unfortunately out-of-print for decades, but it should be available in the Univ.of Heidelberg South Asia institute library . no electronic copy seems to be available, if anyone has a link, please post. Andersen and Damle have a new book to be published this year)

2. MS Golwalkar We or out nationhood defined and Bunch of Thoughts
MSG was the second head and most important ideologue of the RSS who admired nazi 'race pride'. he wrote,
“To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the semitic races—the Jews... Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.”
and
“the foreign races [he meant other religions too] in Hindusthan must either adopt the Hindu culture and language, must learn to respect and hold in reverence Hindu religion, must entertain no idea but those of the glorification of the Hindu race and culture, ie of the Hindu nation and must lose their separate existence to merge in the Hindu race, or may stay in the country, wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any preferential treatment not even citizen’s rights.”

http://www.socialsciencecollective.org/instigator-ms-golwalkars-virulent-ideology-underpins-modis-india/

3 Manoj Mitta Modi and Godhra The Fiction of Fact Finding
on the attacks on muslims in gujarat and subsequent investigations... modus operandi

Posted by: a | Sep 1, 2018 2:41:54 AM | 66

How many nukes does israil have in United Zionist America (used to be usa )

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 1, 2018 3:01:09 AM | 67

Linky thingie

https://splinternews.com/if-youre-confused-about-what-race-baiting-is-heres-a-b-1793848630

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 1, 2018 3:09:26 AM | 68

Oops, wrong thread for the link. Sorry

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 1, 2018 3:10:10 AM | 69

Karlof1 @37

Thanks karlof1 I look forward to you posts here. I am sure the elite could be identified as fascist as the concentration of wealth and power was certainly in their hands then after centuries of mercantile plunder. Equally they bundled the wealth generated from the progress of automation from horse drawn farm machinery through to steam power etc.

I guess the englander workers could be coerced or press ganged into supporting their fascist lords as they were to support the various wars and defense needs. I doubt that one should class the workers and common folk as naturally fascist though. Cowed into compliance from centuries of oppression seems a better description.

Engels was a mighty keen observer and knew well the ways of the ruling class industrialists.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 1, 2018 3:35:50 AM | 70

Mark 2 47

German's who had been through the pains of Nazism felt when the 'wall' came down so triumphantly for the neo- con Market forces that the die was cast for bleak things a generation down the track .
A generation who would no longer have that leaven that had experienced the full - words fail me - but I must say , 'evil' of Nazism.

Very sad but many foresaw all this super nationalism once again .
There is something consoling in this - of course - events will show the degree of historical inocculation in the German speaking lands ?

Posted by: ashley albanese | Sep 1, 2018 3:59:52 AM | 71

Ashley @ 71
Thanks for that ! I agree. It's been like watching a slow motion car crash, avoidable but through ignorance inevitable !
What should be happening is, both sides should be shoulder to shoulder protesting about the elite, the very people with Ther warmongering and arms trade profiteering that created an influx of desperate victems. Those poor people have been through enough ! Where's the empathy in those thugs!

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 1, 2018 4:22:46 AM | 72

as long as there is capitalism there'll be a fascism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quod_apostolici_muneris

"the right of property and of ownership, which springs from nature itself, must not be touched and stands inviolate. For she knows that stealing and robbery were forbidden in so special a manner by God, the Author and Defender of right, that He would not allow man even to desire what belonged to another, and that thieves and despoilers, no less than adulterers and idolaters, are shut out from the Kingdom of Heaven".

The Egyptian pharaohs derived legitimacy for river Nile. The river was god, provider of the soil's fertility hence food. This is kind of a NATURAL. What is natural to the church
is beyond me.

however "enclosure" practice in england preceded to this Pope's edicts.

Posted by: partizan | Sep 1, 2018 4:30:38 AM | 73

Long before your Fascists a Bugandan king in the 19th C said:
'The strong are bad'
'And the weak are good'
'Because they're not strong enough to be bad'

He understood human nature very well.

Posted by: jgarbo | Sep 1, 2018 4:47:04 AM | 74

@ Red Ryder #39

> Plotnitsky was retired out of office months ago. He's "retired" in Russia.

1. Which (together with prior removal of Girkin/Strelkov) probably shows Kremlin can not stand behind Zakharchenko "attentat" having less flashy methods to remove unfavourited players.
2. Which hopefully makes him more safe against assasinations by foreign parties.
3. Where he was useless junk until now, but Zakharchenko's death maybe make him needed again.


> Minsk 2 signatures don't matter. Never did.

That, if you claim Minsk 2 does not matter (and never did).

> The legal bone in the throat will remain until Ukraine cracks.

agree

> EU, Germany, USA keep insisting on Minsk 2.

Spare USA.

> Because it will never be fulfilled.
> The power of Minsk 2 is in its total unacceptability by any Kiev government.

So does Minsk 2 treaty (including the signatures) matter or not and never?

> They can't get out from under it

They can. The treaty looses power if the party ceases to exist and the treaty is not inherited.

Many agreements with USSR, that were not renewed as treaties with Russia (which both Russia and, non-USSR parties had to vokunteer to do) just vaporized, starting the union treaty itself.

So, if USA manage to assasinate both Z and P the Minsk 2 treaty disappears as the parties bound by it did. And doing it USA removes the "legal bone" from Kiev's throat.

Now, u may say Minsk 2 does not matter, at all or after it was incorporated into UN SC res-n. But to what amount you may value Minsk 2 as it stands on its own - you have to vakue the signaturies thus the signatories.

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 1, 2018 5:00:50 AM | 75

Jgarbo @ 74
The strength of the bad is just an illusion ! Ther weak mortals ! And if Ther bad they will be slapped down. Thankfully. The bigger they are the harder they fall !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 1, 2018 5:01:07 AM | 76

@22 ex-Reedie nails it. All three quotes were pre-empted by Thucydides so very many centuries ago, when he has the Athenians responding to the Melians appeal to decency with "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must".

Before, of course, the Athenians slaughtered the Melians.

But the other side of the coin is, of course, "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword".

The Siege of Melos is a classic example: the Athenians conquered the Melians and then colonized Melos (sound familiar?). And then.... in the long run lost the Peloponnesian War and all those colonists were sent packing.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Cock of the walk one day, a feather duster the next.
It's a long way to the top, and a quick ride to the bottom.

All concepts that would be utterly foreign to Netanyahu.
Until, that is, it happens to him and his Zionist throwbacks to the 19th century.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 1, 2018 5:10:27 AM | 77

A glance at some of the more outlier nonsense that has been posted in this thread would even get a scientologist concerned at the way the dosages have been screwed up this week.
I'm not advocating censorship, just expressing wonderment at the sudden influx of batshit crazy. Wassamatta 4chan shut?

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 1, 2018 5:46:21 AM | 78

Iran to supply Syria with new warplane and domestic-made S-300: report

According to the source, the Iranians are planning to supply the Syrian Arab Air Force (SyAAF) with their newest warplane, which is dubbed the “Kowsar.”

Furthermore, the Iranian military is planned to supply Syria with their own version of the S-300 missile defense system.

https://goo.gl/nvPZqW

Now thats interesting. Although yet another updated F-5 "Kowsar" might not be very important addition for SAF/RAF, but Bavar 373 to Syria might be very interesting development.

Russia doesnt allow Syria to use S-300 against Israel's jets, while Iran wants to help and probably needs real life testing of few of such systems to iron bugs out, Israel will be shit**g bricks :)

Posted by: Harry | Sep 1, 2018 6:32:15 AM | 79

32 Yes it does mean 'something' to be human. I am, who I am!?

Posted by: Col from OZ | Sep 1, 2018 8:23:29 AM | 80

jgarbo 74

Great quote. I just came across it in the "The White Nile".

Posted by: sleepy | Sep 1, 2018 8:29:55 AM | 81

@harry

I wish them luck with "updated" F-5.

The Iranians are making admirable effort in the military and defense field. It is unknown how reliable their missile systems are, they supposed to be good since the foundation is the soviet technology.

However, I have firm belief they are making mockery of themselves when it comes to air-force. It seems to me they have a poor R&D which it might be result of strategic planning and putting emphasis (retaliation and deterrent) on missile force.

Posted by: partizan | Sep 1, 2018 8:44:32 AM | 82

So the nazi riots in Chemnitz are useing fake news to whip up there hatered, no surprise there then ---link https://amp.thedailybeast.com/german-neo-nazis-say-these-women-were-abused-by-muslim-immigrants-theyre-actually-american-victims-of-domestic-violence?__twitter_impression=true . So much for free speech !

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 1, 2018 8:58:22 AM | 83

@ partizan | 82

However, I have firm belief they are making mockery of themselves when it comes to air-force. It seems to me they have a poor R&D which it might be result of strategic planning and putting emphasis (retaliation and deterrent) on missile force.

Their planes R&D is very small, and its used more for refurbishment and upgrades than serious development.

Its not hard to understand the reasons:

1) Economics. Jets cost millions, and missiles to destroy them thousands.
2) Jets are more of assault weapon, Iran's strategy is defensive, for that missiles and SAMs are enough.

Lets imagine that Iran spends $100 bln. to develop a competent 4th gen. jet, it would take about 20 years and by that time US would be making 5++ or 6th gen. planes, making 4th gen useless in battle. And how many jets Iran could even produce? US and its alies has thousands of planes. I.e. Iran is too far behind to catch up anytime soon, and investments would be insanely large too. Not exactly what Iran could afford under constant sanctions anyway.

The best Iran could hope for is similar deal Russia has with India - mutual project for developing next gen planes. Problem is, Russia doesnt want to offend its "partners" in US and Israel, so its not going to happen in near future either.

Posted by: Harry | Sep 1, 2018 9:02:48 AM | 84

"Live by the sword, die by the sword"

- Aeschylus, an ancient Greek tragedian

Posted by: librul | Sep 1, 2018 9:27:50 AM | 85

A good report from Chemnitz (written by a German):

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/09/01/chem-a31.html

-//-

@ Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 1, 2018 5:46:21 AM | 78

Care to be more specific (i.e. which comments are "outlier nonsense" and which are not)? You can't ask the others what you can't give it yourself (i.e. scientific rigour).

And yes, you are advocating for censorship, albeit in a passive-agressive way. Please, don't treat the others like they were born yesterday.

Posted by: vk | Sep 1, 2018 10:03:44 AM | 86

Harry | Sep 1, 2018 9:02:48 AM | 84

i understand that money is limitation. But given the size of iran (thee times of france)
and larger population than france it is surprise to me that iran did not go very far in that regard.

it is not only aerospace industry they are struggling in many aspects. For the Russians the sanctions were opportunity to develop domestic source whereas the iranians are looking for an foreign investors. i sense their neoliberal/feudal approach (academia and r&d is expense) toward society is not paying off.

Posted by: partizan | Sep 1, 2018 10:33:19 AM | 87

if a nuclear war ever erupts, Netanyahu will suddenly discover who is the weakest around.

Posted by: augusto | Sep 1, 2018 10:39:12 AM | 88

Augusto @ 88
Let's hope we don't get to nuclear war, but look at the size of Israil ! Not that big ! There bad but there weak and there desperate. The gig is up !
Chemnitz nazi thugs will have to be delt with. But that's just biting the tail. We need to bite the head. The 1% what ever country they come from !

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 1, 2018 11:00:40 AM | 89

Controlled dissent relies on obscuring the Pincer Movement being used to corral Freedom and Liberty.

'(Commercial consumerism is) consistent with banal economic relations and routine familial and social patterns, and, as a means towards those ends, imprisonimg...the authentic, strong, free, vital human beings who learned to break loose and live heroic lives, in defiance of (Judaic) 'static legalism'.

Simplicity is the panacea for the evils of the present. In short, back to Nature. We must look to the Artist, not to the Scientist as our teacher and guide, for the artist was the genius who knew the goal and the way ...through the ideals which the new 'vitalist' culture intended to displace decadent 'civilization': childlike simplicity, natural spontaneity, an Olympian will to risk and dare, an unerring intuition into the hidden and transcendent, a sense of awe and mystery, an abundance of unrestrained passions, and an exhilirating torrent of energy.'
(Vision and Violence, Arthur Mendel)

So Nietzche, but also Euell Gibbons and Carlos Casteňeda were 'Back to Nature' NAZIs. Nietzche saw Judaic culture of regimental Bolshevism as the 'unpure enemy', and eugenic extermination as the solution, while the Hippies saw 'The Pigs' (regimental military Bolshevism) as the unclean enemy, and 'Get Back to the Land and Set My Soul Free' as the solution. They're both a form of Fascism.

If you don't 'turn on, tune, in and drop out', if you won't let your hair grow long as you can show it, and wear beads braided in your beard and hemp sandals, write graffiti about AGW and fossil fuels, and eat meal worms and cannabis cookies, then you are an 'unclean pig'.

The End of History Rational Supra-National State, versus the Hot Money Pay-for-Play Uber-Capitalist Renegades. Regimental Bolshevism and Iconoclastic Fascism are just the two-sided Janus-faced nature of our human reality. Rodham the Bolshevik versus Trump the Fascist. Lose-lose.

Lose-lose most especially in USA, because State-Corporate Deep Purple Mil.Gov UniParty represents the unholy union of these two anti-human forces. Think Israel joining with the Syrian 'rebels' (sic). Think the globalist ECB/IMF/WB finance marauders aligning with the NATO Wehrmacht.

That's the NWO Spawn of Satan. They are One. Netanyahu is your Father. Come into the Light. Use the Force, Luke. A
Oh, and be sure to get your vaccinations!

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 1, 2018 11:35:18 AM | 90

what a song.

With God on Our https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAgAvnvXF9U

Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.
Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.

Oh the First World War, boys
It came and it went.
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.
When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.
But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the b***on
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.

Posted by: partizan | Sep 1, 2018 11:45:34 AM | 91

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FKyouUIsQ

"With God on Our Side"

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.
But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the b***on
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

Posted by: partizan | Sep 1, 2018 11:47:57 AM | 92

Thanks for this wonderful discussion. I would credit everyone who has taken part.

'What Fascist Said This?' has turned into a really fascinating communal discourse!

Posted by: Guerrero | Sep 1, 2018 11:48:11 AM | 93

Pix of some anti-fascists from Ukr.

Zakharchenko

https://en.news-front.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1-109.jpg

‘Givi’

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‘Motorola’

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RIP - condolences to their families.

Remember, Fascism is an aberration of the Center. Not particularly or specially of either what one might label today the ‘right’ or the ‘left’. A melding of corporations (the economic powers, which might have other labels, functions) with stooges in the Gvmt.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 1, 2018 12:01:23 PM | 94

@noriette

which tells me there are something wrong when, "The revolution devours its own children". There were on the way to someone.

Posted by: partizan | Sep 1, 2018 12:38:08 PM | 95

unless there is Robocop.

Posted by: partizan | Sep 1, 2018 12:39:15 PM | 96

partizan @91

I like this part most:

And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

One common Zionist refrain is: "If God be with us, who be against us?"

It's the same thinking behind "thousand year Reich", which I mentioned @4. Whether God is reference directly or indirectly ('destiny'), it's propaganda meant to crush dissent ("never ask questions").

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 1, 2018 12:44:59 PM | 97

Moon of Alabama? I once lived in Alabama. Here is one iota of fact about Alabama.

Divorce judges say, “Ya’ll divorced now, but ya’ll still cousins.”

Alabama’s state motto: “At least we’re not Mississippi.”

(sorry, two iotas.)

Posted by: DineroDProfit | Sep 1, 2018 12:49:33 PM | 98

@ Posted by: Noirette | Sep 1, 2018 12:01:23 PM | 94

Fascism (and Nazism) are a form of Liberalism. But we need to clarify one of the most persuading Cold War myths: the myth of totalitarianism.

(huge parenthesis alert)

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During the Cold War, a cold warrior called Hannah Arendt published a book (from a CIA editor) that laid out the most famous version of the theory of totalitarianism.

The theory of totalitarianism states that communism and fascism are the sides of the same coin. Arendt's central argument was that both communism and nazism were brother ideologies because both adopt a central, all-encompassing historical narrative: nazism adopting the narrative of the struggle between the races and communism adopting the narrative of struggle between classes. Yes, she equationed racism to class struggle (which is a false dichotomy, because class struggle is empirically observable towards all written history we have available today, while race war is a modern late 19th Century invention).

Arendt's totalitarianism theory helped to give birth to modern liberal leftism, more specifically, post-modernism, which states that there's no "long term narrative" in human history (i.e. there's no class war; or class war was a random phenomenon of the late 19th-early 20th Centuries) and that there's no truth: only points of view based on the observer's immediate observation. Alongside post-modernism, there was, at the same time, a rehabilitation of Christianism, as a part of the ideological war against communism/socialism in the Cold War: that meant a tendence to secularism and reason begun to be reversed in the West from the 70s onwards. Such "imbecilization" process is not new: it happened during the decline of the Roman Empire, during the late Severan dinasty and throughout the crisis of the Third Century and progressed with the reforms of Diocletian, reaching its appex with Constantine and Justinian. This period of time saw the economy of Rome collapse, while Christianism flourished. So yes, everytime society tries to progress, the Western elite calls 911-Christianism to the rescue, it is not new: it is important to notice that, after the French Revolution, the legitimizing narrative was that the Roman Republic was being revived (Napoleon was in love with Ancient Rome, and read all of Caesar's Commentaries) -- what Marx called the "farce" in the Brummaire -- and that both the British and the American empires like to mirror themselves with the Roman Empire (and many of modern laws and principles are based on Roman jurists). So, there's a lot of inspiration there by the Western elites.

But Arendt came out with another very important conclusion: that a totalitarian society cannot desintegrate from within, only from the outside. Put it in other terms, the peoples of totalitarian states can never do a revolution, only be liberated by an alien liberal society. At the time, there was no perspective the USSR would ever go away, and there was plenty of demand to ideologies that legitimized rising military spending and invasions in the Third World.

The Cold War ended and Arendt's theory was proved wrong: the USSR dissolved over the weight of its own internal contradictions. But the idea that nazifascism and communism were brother ideologies stuck in the West.

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Nazifascism is a mode of liberalism (classic liberalism) because that's what history shows us: both Hitler and Mussolini were born and created during the apex of liberalism, in liberal countries and received liberal education. Both declared the communists as their main enemies once they got to power. Both economies remained highly decentralized, liberal style, during the WWII. If you take out both lunatic narratives, you wouldn't be able to discern, e.g., a typical German Aryan family in Berlin from a typical suburban family in the 60s USA.

Communism/socialism both came from classical Social-Democracy (not the post-war version, the original version). Classical Social-Democracy has a very well documented paternity: Karl Marx.

Marx took the term "socialism" from the nowadays so-called "utopian socialists", a movement from France, whose main intellectual was Proudhon. Those "utopian socialists" come from the old late-feudal artisan class, the class which lost the most with industrialization. Communism (as in communist parties) come from the late 19th Century/early 20th Century schism between the German and Russian Social-Democrat parties. At the time, the German one made a turn to the right (which would culminate, decades later, with it supporting the German bourgeoisie in WWI, a pivotal episode to the rise of Nazism in the 30s), and Lenin, in order to make the ideological differences clear, changed the name to "communist". So, whatever point of view you adopt, neither communism nor socialism come from liberalism, so it doesn't even belong to the same branch as nazifascism.

The last "common ancestor" of both Social-Democracy and Liberalism is illuminism. But "illuminism" was not a school or ideology per se, but an umbrella term to designate a significant change in thought after the 16th Century. If you take the concept of Reason as the condition sine qua non to designate something illuminist, then the only extant "child" of "illuminism" today is Marxism.

Posted by: vk | Sep 1, 2018 12:54:18 PM | 99

92/99

Who said this:
'Too bad she (Liberty) won't live,
but then again, who does?'

The dystopian world of original Blade Runner society was the logical extension of the Soviet Bolshevik Gulag. The cyborgs represented eugenically-advanced Germanic 'Back to Nature' Teutons, yearning to be free of the Treaty of Versailles crushing oppression, and Creeping Bolshevism mass-genocide just across their borderlands.

'The light that burns half as long, burns twice as bright', is a hall-mark slogan of that Long March down the Road of Skulls.

We're still today trapped in that ancient crushing dialectic between the Old Judaic Bolshevist regimentation, and perverted deregulated Ayn Randian Fascist world of the UberMenschen.

Now that dialectic is conjoined, and maintains absolute power by playing the Red- versus Blue- Party charade, the constant stress-positioning by a Bolshevized media branding 'Democrat' versus 'Republican' labels, and constant water-boarding by the War Machine of 'Other Terror', all to get our psychological and emotional buy-in 'vote' to being raped and looted and defiled by the Deep Purple Mil.Gov UniParty.

It truly is The End of History

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 1, 2018 1:16:14 PM | 100

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