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August 03, 2018

Saudi Coalition Renews Attack On North Yemen's Lifeline

The war on Yemen, which has been ongoing for three years, gets way too little mention in "western" media:

The reason for inattention is obvious: The United States bears real responsibility for the crisis. A quote from a Yemeni doctor found in PBS reporter Jane Ferguson’s piece sums it up:

“The missiles that kill us, American-made. The planes that kill us, American-made. The tanks … American-made. You are saying to me, where is America? America is the whole thing.”

The war is also complicate and difficult to explain. The alliances are opaque and make little sense. Individual events conceal the big picture.

The Saudis started the war after a Zaidi Shia movement from Yemen's northern highlands, the Houthi, pushed the Saudi proxy-government under the former president Hadi out of the capital Sanaa. The exiled Hadi government is still internationally recognized but under complete Saudi control.

The Saudis want to control all of Yemen. While Yemen is geographically smaller and dirt poor it has an equal number of citizens and some valuable resources. The Saudis have for decades financed Wahhabi preachers to proselyte in Yemen. But Yemen has its own milder style of Islam and the Wahhabis were generally not welcome. There are also plans for a Saudi pipeline to Yemeni ports which would allow Saudi exports to bypass the Strait of Hormuz. For their war on Yemen the Saudis allied with the United Arab Emirates.

The UAE have their own plans for Yemen. They wants to control south Yemen and the port of Aden as a gemstone in their expansionary Dubai Port World conglomerate.

Both have hired Yemeni tribal proxies and foreign mercenaries to help in their campaigns. The Saudis have allied with the Yemeni Islah party which is part of the international Muslim Brotherhood. The UAE allied with some southern Yemeni tribes who strive for independence from the north.

The U.S. supports its Gulf "allies" and sells them lots of weapon. It is also interested in keeping al-Qaeda in Yemen down.

All these aims are conflicting with each other.

Ahmed Muthana, a former Yemeni diplomat based in Washington DC, explains why, for example, al-Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula (AQAP) can not be eliminated from Yemen:

The reason why it’s impossible to defeat al-Qaeda in Yemen today is the deep coordination on the ground between AQAP and Al-Islah, the Muslim Brotherhood’s party in the country. Al-Islah is a crucial part of the Yemeni government.

The links between Al-Islah and Al-Qaeda go far back, and senior Al-Islah leader Abdul Majeed al-Zindani played a vital role in the bridge between the two parties. In 2004, the U.S. government labeled him as “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” for his ties with al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden. When the Yemeni army was about to start an offensive against al-Qaeda in Abyan in southern Yemen in 2012, Al-Zindani called for a halt. The Al-Islah leader is a close ally of President Hadi.

According to Mareb Press, a news outlet loyal to the government, Hadi met with Al-Zindani in 2018 and described him as “the heir of the Prophet.” During the meeting, Hadi insisted for Al-Zindani to play a more prominent preaching role in Yemen, which would generate more violent thinking in the region.

One of Hadi's military leaders, General Ali Mohsen al-Ahmar, is also an al-Qaeda ally:

In 2005, the U.S. embassy in Yemen raised a red flag about Al-Ahmar’s trips to Afghanistan and meetings with Bin Laden in the 1980s. In the U.S., Al-Ahmar is believed to have played a key role in the relocation of large groups of al-Qaeda fighters from Afghanistan to Yemen. Al-Ahmar resettled many terrorists that were banned from going back to their countries in Yemen.

That an individual with a long history of friendship with AQAP is leading the country’s army, makes it is no surprise that terrorist group is not defeated in the north yet.

The Saudis are (again) using al-Qaeda for their purpose while the U.S. is (again) trying to keep it down. But both also want the former president Hadi to regain his position in Sanaa.

 The troops of the United Arab Emirates in Yemen,  officially allied with the Saudis, have become one of al-Qaeda's main target:

Elisabeth Kendall - @Dr_E_Kendall - 13:47 utc - 3 Aug 2018
1st formal claim from #AQAP #Yemen in 2 weeks: Jihadists ambushed #UAE-backed Rapid Reaction Forces 11am today in al-Mahfad, Abyan. 4 soldiers killed, commander seriously hurt, 2 vehicles destroyed. Follows reported gun battles last night between AQAP & military in al-Mahfad city

Yemen has no air force and no air defenses. The Saudi coalition has been bombing the Houthi held parts of the country for three years and destroyed much of its infrastructure. It is killing indiscriminately. The UN and the media have downplayed the number of casualties by citing an estimate of 10,000 killed that has not been updated since mid 2016.

Last year a Moon of Alabama piece found that the real casualty number is likely much higher:

Up to July 2017 the U.S.-Saudi coalition had flown more than 90,000 air-sorties over Yemen. Most of those will have involved weapon releases.
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100,000 dead civilians caused by the war so far is a more likely number than the never changing 10,000.

The U.S. media is slowly waking up to this:

For almost two years, a figure — 10,000 people — has been frequently cited by journalists and relief agencies to describe the number of civilian deaths in the conflict.
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But in public discussion of the conflict, the number has never been revised, even as the war has retained its ruthless intensity.

But despite that insight the Washington Post piece is still using a low balled number:

Data collected by ACLED, a group that studies conflicts, puts the death toll at nearly 50,000 people in the period between January 2016 and late July 2018.

That number includes combatants but excludes people not directly killed during the fighting — thousands of civilians who have died of malnutrition or cholera, for instance. Last year, Save the Children estimated that 130 children were dying every day because of “extreme hunger and disease.”

The Saudi coalition blockades the Houthi held parts of the country. 70% of the available food comes through the port of Hodeidah which the Houthi still hold. If the Saudi coalition manages to catch the harbor it could put the Yemeni highlands under a complete starvation siege. The Houthi would have to give up.

In June a UAE led ground and sea operation attempted to take Hodeidah from the Houthi. The attack along the southwestern coast had reached the border of the airport south of the city when Houthi forces managed to cut its supply line.


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The UAE led attack has since stalled. The UN envoy to Yemen is negotiating with both sides over control of the port. Losing, or respectively winning the port would likely decide the war.

Hodeidah has been under Saudi air attacks despite a local ceasefire. Following recent air strikes the UN warned of a human catastrophe:

On 26, 27 and 28 July, airstrikes occurred near a reproductive health centre and public laboratory in Hodeidah and hit and damaged a sanitation facility in Zabid and a water station, which supplies the majority of the water to Hodeidah City.
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“Cholera is already present in neighborhoods across the city and governorate. Damage to sanitation, water and health facilities jeopardizes everything we are trying to do,” said Ms. Grand, [the Humanitarian Coordinator for Yemen]. “We could be one airstrike away from an unstoppable epidemic.”

The targeting of civilian installations is not a mistake, but the Saudi coalition tactic to put pressure on Yemen's population. Yesterday a double tap strike hit the fishing docks of Hodeidah port where hundreds of fishermen, peddlers and buyers were haggling over the daily haul. An hour after the first strike the Saudi coalition hit the entrance of the nearby al-Thawra hospital. More than 70 were killed and more than 150 were wounded. For lack of food, medical and financial resources many of the wounded are likely to die in the next days. Local sources say that all of the casualties were civilians.

Authorities in Hodeidah said these air attacks "were largely unexpected because both the Houthi fighters and the Saudi-UAE alliance had announced that they were going to cease hostilities in and around the port of Hodeidah to give UN peace efforts a chance".

The only report of the deadly strike on the New York Times website is a Reuters piece which blames the Houthi.

Pictures and video from the ground show that at least one of the strikes was not by air but by British made mortars which came in from a southern direction. The targeted area, marked red, is within mortar firing range of the UAE forces south of the airport.


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The UAE recently send fresh material and soldiers to the area. It is building up the force to renew its attack.

These coalition forces have little respect for the life of Yemeni civilians.

Iona Craig, one of the few "western" on the ground reporters in Yemen, recently got her hand on some intelligence report which describes a Saudi night bombing of some tents in the desert:

Unbeknown to the Maswadahs, Royal Saudi Air Force drones had been hovering for 45 minutes over their dwellings at the edge of the wide plain walled by mountains. Saudi duty officers more than 550 miles away watched the family’s tents on their screens, along with two “hot spots” likely created by the body heat of people and animals inside.
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[They] observed “no personnel or vehicles visible, nor any other intelligence information about the location,” according to the report.
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At 9:25 p.m., the absent general issued the order [by phone] to strike the tents.

The family inside the tent, which included nine children, was lucky. The bomb hit the backside of the small hill their tent stood next to. But the strike was clearly indiscriminate.

The UK government admitted that British officers supervise the Saudi targeting process. U.S. officers are likewise in the Saudi operations centers and at least observe the Saudi targeting. They obviously don't intervene against the indiscriminate strikes:

As the intelligence report shows, the U.S. maintains a significant presence in the Saudi operations center. It also sells munitions and aircraft to the coalition and provides maintenance, training, targeting assistance, and mid-air refueling for fighter jets carrying out bombing runs.

Last week a large Saudi crude oil carrier was allegedly hit by a rocket while sailing through the Red Sea’s Bab al-Mandeb strait. The Saudis allege that Houthi forces did it and try to sell it as a reason to hit Hodeidah. The Houthi have no navy. Hodeidah is some 300 kilometer north of the straits and the coast next to it is under UAE control.

Nevertheless the Saudis stopped their tankers from passing through the Red Sea. Not because of the potential danger, but to increase pressure on the United States, Britain and others to help to invade Hodeidah:

Analysts say Saudi Arabia is trying to encourage its Western allies to take more seriously the danger posed by the Houthis and step up support for its war in Yemen, where thousands of air strikes and a limited ground operation have produced only modest results while deepening the world’s worst humanitarian crisis.
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The suspension of Saudi shipments - with the implied threat of higher oil prices - may also be aimed at pressuring European allies, who have continued to support the nuclear deal with Iran following the U.S. withdrawal in May, to take a stronger stance against Tehran’s ballistic missiles program and support for armed groups across the region.

There was no official confirmation that the move was coordinated with Washington but one analyst said it would be astonishing if it were not, given the strategic alliance between the two countries.

After the Saudi ship was hit the British government sent 20 British Special Forces to an unnamed "Red Sea Port" and dispatched a frigate to the area.

The Saudi claims, that Iran is involved in the war and is smuggling ballistic missiles through Hodeidah to the Houthi, is false. All larger ships going to Hodeidah get searched and inspected. The Houthi may receive some material support smuggled from Oman through the Saudi coalition lines but that is clearly not big stuff or in a decisive amount. The biggest source of weapons and ammunition they use comes from raids on the Saudi coalitions' supplies or are bought from Saudi proxy forces.

Hodeidah is not relevant for smuggling but it is the lifeline for Yemen's besieged northern highlands. More than 10 million lives depend on the food that comes through the port. If the Houthi lose control over the port, to the UN or the Saudi coalition, their people will starve and they will lose the war.

The plan behind the current Saudi tactic of bombing Hodeidah's water supplies and markets is to push the population out of city to make it easier to attack and occupy it. It city is the Houthi's jugular and the Saudis want to go for it.

The U.S. and other "western" military and governments know this.  If they allow the Saudi coalition to take the port they will be complicit in the genocidal famine that will follow.

Posted by b on August 3, 2018 at 02:44 PM | Permalink

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Thanks b for this well timed and comprehensive update !
I had heard of the U.K. S a s present involvement so am grateful for your confirmation. Also the death toll from that fishing market may have risen to 250 bombed by us plains. I hope people awake to this monsterous situation and not deliberately look the over way! It is our very own personal humanity at stake!

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 3, 2018 3:10:19 PM | 1

If the Houthi lose control over the port, to the UN or the Saudi coalition, their people will starve..
The UN would starve them? Please explain.

Posted by: bobzibub | Aug 3, 2018 3:33:42 PM | 2

I am not surprised at all. And thanks b, for yet another great piece.
Nahh the endfase is coming close The US is on the verge of another false flag, this time involving Iran.
You cant get rid of these bastards, unless they have two shots in the head.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Aug 3, 2018 3:39:50 PM | 3

Informed observers know Houthi are fighting Outlaw US Empire terror alone. Like Somalia, geography is the secondary reason for their misery since control of the Red Sea's entrance is part of the Outlaw US Empire's goal to attain Full Spectrum Dominance. Clearly, US/UK don't care how many die to attain their goal, or the amount of money wasted. Since it's unlikely the US/UK will cease their efforts, the war will only end with Houthi surrender or Saudi collapse--Houthi have recently placed more emphasis on targeting Saudi oil infrastructure. Houthi have proven very adept at infiltrating Saudi territory such that a commando attack on Mecca or Jeddah isn't out of the question, which if successful would rock Saudi politically. Personally, I don't see the Houthi surrendering anytime soon. Like Hezbollah, they have a will that's extremely strong and resilient.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3, 2018 3:39:55 PM | 4

NYT did do its own reporting on the fish market and hospital air strike, b, but it's the first story on Yemen in a month.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Aug 3, 2018 4:10:54 PM | 5

@2: The post does mention a UN envoy "negotiating with both sides over control of the port. Losing, or respectively winning the port would likely decide the war."

But "the UN" may be just a typo for "the US" -- where you point it out and also in this earlier paragraph: "Yemen has no air force and no air defenses. The Saudi coalition has been bombing the Houthi held parts of the country for three years and destroyed much of its infrastructure. It is killing indiscriminately. The UN and the media have downplayed the number of casualties by citing an estimate of 10,000 killed that has not been updated since mid 2016."

Posted by: John Anthony La Pietra | Aug 3, 2018 4:18:55 PM | 6

A bit off topic but is anybody else in the United States able to stream the Russian English language broadcast:

https://www.rt.com/on-air/ ?

For me it has been blocked for the last two days with the message: “Cannot load M3U8: crossdomain access denied )2048)”.

The Iranian English language broadcast has be blocked for about a year.

Posted by: David Park | Aug 3, 2018 5:00:07 PM | 7

US complicit in the genocidal famine?
Yes, it would, and the US media would not mention it.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Aug 3, 2018 5:14:29 PM | 8

"MSNBC has done 455 Stormy Daniels segments in the last year — but none on U.S. war in Yemen"

This alleged "war" between Trump and the MSM/Establishment/Deep State is doing a fantastic job of obscuring what's really going on.

BTW: I see that 1/2 dozen of Trump's top appointees held a press conference to promote the "Russia Meddling" narrative. Since President CareBear declared our election systems "critical infrastructure," the Department of Homeland Security can step in and do whatever they want with US elections whenever they choose.

Posted by: Daniel | Aug 3, 2018 5:51:14 PM | 9

David Park, that livestream works for me with my Comcast ISP. Is it only live that you're having trouble with?

Sophie Shevardnadze did an amazing interview today with Setsuko Thurlow, survivor of nuclear bombing of Hiroshima. The last couple of minutes left me and Sophie speechless.

https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/434984-hiroshima-nagasaki-bombing-survivor/

Posted by: Daniel | Aug 3, 2018 5:55:18 PM | 10

Daniel, it's just the live stream that is blocked. My internet comes through T-Mobile cellular and a mobile hot spot to my computer and Internet Explorer. I can get the canned shows like Crosstalk through YouTube and some of them through the RT site. I was able to download the Sophie & Co link and will watch it - thanks.

It's just the live stream that is blocked.

Posted by: David Park | Aug 3, 2018 6:23:59 PM | 11

@ bobzibub | 2

The UN would starve them? Please explain.

UN is heavily influenced by US and its alies, especially those departments who are involved in facilitating US spreading its power and influence. Like in Yemen's case, Hadi elections were fake (only one US/Saudi selected candidate, in ballots there was only one option "yes", you couldnt even say "no") and yet these fake elections were done under UN name. When Hadi's term expired (in 2014), he refused to allow new democratic elections and STILL to this day "UN" recognizes Hadi as a legitimate president!

"UN" also downplays victim count and looks the other way to the biggest genocide in recent history. Therefore if Houthis would agree to hand over Hodeidah to UN supervision, these would de-facto hand over port to Saudis. Maybe still claim that port is under UN, but on the ground US/Saudis/UAE would run everything, enforcing famine and genocide of Houthis.

As #6 said, you might just as well change UN to US.

Posted by: Harry | Aug 3, 2018 6:51:33 PM | 12

David Park, coincidentally, I have T-mobile for my cell, so I tried, and do get RT livestream. I'm in CA, not that that should matter. Maybe try rebooting your cell phone/device?

Posted by: Daniel | Aug 3, 2018 7:58:42 PM | 13

As #6 said, you might just as well change UN to US. Harry | Aug 3, 2018 6:51:33 PM

I recall a diplomat telling reporters that when John Bolton was US representative to UN, he pressed him to resign as a head of UN agency issuing personal threats, like harm to family members. About a year later, he actually resigned. USA exerts enormous and pretty criminal effort to mold UN agencies to its needs, including aid agencies and "technical agencies" like the one administering chemical weapons treaty. The latter issued Novichok reports that very delicately implied that UK government issued baseless conclusions, so delicately that Brits and "their believers" can claim that they were and are right, while we still have no idea what chemical compound was dubbed "Novichok" -- they presumably have some idea, but excess of detail could brutally expose British bunkum (or horlicks?).

General assembly is hard to manipulate, but powerless. UNSC is paralyzed when it could matter. Individual agencies are corrupted in variable degree.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 3, 2018 9:40:31 PM | 14

@4 That will is propped up by a most potent crutch: Righteousness.

Posted by: Lozion | Aug 3, 2018 10:58:54 PM | 15

Daniel, thanks, I can get it on my smart phone so it must be Microsoft IE that is causing the problem. Maybe I have to think of installing an alternative web browser.

Posted by: David Park | Aug 3, 2018 11:17:39 PM | 16

Maybe off topic / maybe not:

China's Military To Help Assad Retake Rest Of Syrian Territory, Ambassador Suggests

Posted by: blues | Aug 4, 2018 12:16:20 AM | 17

...
As #6 said, you might just as well change UN to US.
Posted by: Harry | Aug 3, 2018 6:51:33 PM | 12

Yes.
I'll never forget what happened to the exhaustive WMD disposal report submitted to the UN by the Iraq Govt in the run-up to the Iraq Fake War. As soon as it was tabled Negraponte snatched it and refused to hand it over for perusal by the assembled UN reps. The US subsequently doled out selected excerpts but as far as I'm aware the full report has never been available to the UN.

I couldn't believe that AmeriKKKa was allowed to get away with that. The UN's pussies, wimps and collaborators just sat there looking ... gutless. I wish I'd been there. I'd have happily risked my life to snatch it back or, bash Negraponte to pulp.
That was the day the UN died in my mind. Its insidious irrelevance was exposed for all the world to see. Unfortunately, hardly anybody noticed...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 4, 2018 1:06:25 AM | 18

David Park | Aug 3, 2018 11:17:39 PM | 16

I highly recommend yandex browser; been using it for years and the best I've found.
I try to avoid all U.S. products...

Posted by: V | Aug 4, 2018 1:42:51 AM | 19

Posted by: blues | Aug 4, 2018 12:16:20 AM | 17
(China may help Assad)

Yep. That suggestion was made on CGTN this morning.
It wasn't a firm promise but it wasn't idle whimsy, either.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 4, 2018 1:48:36 AM | 20

Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 4, 2018 1:06:25 AM | 18

I second your comment, all of it.

Posted by: V | Aug 4, 2018 1:50:18 AM | 21

@David Park #10
Searching the web for the error message often gives you a solution.
https://superuser.com/questions/810309/cannot-load-m3u8-crossdomain-access-denied
Or get another browser. I agree with V that Yandex browser is good, but is targeted at Russian users and you may find that some messages are not translated to English. I tried and switched back to Opera, which is very similar.


Posted by: Joost | Aug 4, 2018 3:30:52 AM | 22

Joost | Aug 4, 2018 3:30:52 AM | 22
Or get another browser. I agree with V that Yandex browser is good, but is targeted at Russian users and you may find that some messages are not translated to English.

I do not agree that yandex.com is targeted at Russians. Yandex.ru most definitely geared to Russians.
I have not encountered that problem in more than 3 years (at least) with yandex browser.
I have been using yandex e-mail as well (almost 5 years) and have never had even one (1) spam or other garbage.

Posted by: V | Aug 4, 2018 4:37:16 AM | 23

Is it just me, or has the USA become public enemy #1 since the 9-11 terrorist attacks? Afghanistan and Iraq wars were based upon lies of 'getting Bin Laden' or 'Saddam' because 'they did 9-11'. But now this complete massacre of Yemen: the United States now makes NO pretense of pulverizing an impoverished balkanized Yemen. What is even more sickening about the USA is how they are perfectly fine with helping the Saudi dictatorship take over Yemen–and selling the Saudis billions of dollars of US made weapons, planes, missiles etc AND providing all manner of technical reconnaissance assistance to the Saudis as they kill thousands of trapped civilians in Yemen with deliberate design and complete impunity. All of this is fucking sickening, a war crime. For the US government and its major war equipment retailers (Boeing, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Northrup Grumman et al) it is much more profitable and preferable to destroy (yet another) Middle Eastern country and thousands of its inhabitants–then to do what is obviously the right thing: to have the competing parties negotiate a peaceful resolution to this conflict.

America is a total, complete disgrace. What a complete monstrosity it has become :-(

Posted by: Deschutes | Aug 4, 2018 5:43:07 AM | 24

Deschutes | Aug 4, 2018 5:43:07 AM | 24
America is a total, complete disgrace. What a complete monstrosity it has become.

March 19, 2003 did it for me; so I left 8 weeks later.
It's gotten worse, much, much worse...

Posted by: V | Aug 4, 2018 5:55:53 AM | 25

Daniel @ 10

Thanks for letting us know about the interview on Russia Today with Tetsuko Turlow, Hiroshima survivor and campaigner against nuclear weapons. A completely professional, compassionate presentation by Sophie Shevernadze. Never will something so serious appear on US TV: Rachel Maddow would just scream Russia, Russia, Russia at the top of her lungs until her dying days. Shame.

Posted by: Quentin | Aug 4, 2018 6:38:29 AM | 26

@Deschutes #24 Is it just me, or has the USA become public enemy #1 since the 9-11 terrorist attacks?"
America Has Been at War 93% of the Time – 222 out of 239 Years – Since 1776. So I am just guessing this started long before 9/11.
For example the Korean War (1950-present) when they bombed and leveled NK. Only 15% of all buildings left standing and 1 million killed. Very few people know this because it is rarely mentioned in the MSM, but can even be found on Wikipedia.
Dropping bombs on some poor country seems to be their livelihood. Yemen is just one of those jobs. But you are also right, the rate of destruction has greatly increased since 9/11.

Posted by: Joost | Aug 4, 2018 8:21:58 AM | 27

I am just wondering whats the crap is being fed to the US americans/West to "justify" this genocide ?


Posted by: occidentosis | Aug 4, 2018 8:32:59 AM | 28

Joost | Aug 4, 2018 8:21:58 AM | 27

Indeed, U.S. history (not taught in U.S. schools) is rife with violence beginning in 1492.
A date I do not celebrate.
Nor do I get joy fron 1621...

Posted by: V | Aug 4, 2018 8:53:12 AM | 29

OK, the US and it's allies are behaving deplorably. Agreed. But we keep refusing to see the elephant in the room.

So most food for Yemen is imported from abroad? You don't say. Yemen has a sky high fertility rate and very little fresh water. Consider again the following projection for Yemen's population growth:
1985: 10 million
2005: 20 million
2025: 40 million
2045: 80 million
2065: 160 million
2085: 320 million
2105: 640 million

Of course, the above projections will only come true if the rest of the world provides Yemen with enough food. Can the rest of the world feed Yemen's exploding population? Will it? Why?

Most likely the rest of the world will grow tired of the task well before the end of the century. Even if the United States and Saudi Arabia etc. stop behaving contemptibly, the result will be that population growth is reduced due primarily to chronic malnutrition. The Malthusian holocaust is not bad science fiction, it is established historical fact.

This is not a minor issue. This is the main event. Refusing to address this, is every bit as complicit in abetting a humanitarian disaster as any number of western bombs.

Posted by: TG | Aug 4, 2018 11:06:25 AM | 30

@TG (30)
Nice strawman. For some other time.

Oh, by the by -- what would you think of the Yemeni being in charge (administratively, or militarily) of the reproductive rates and population control of your own country?

Posted by: bjd | Aug 4, 2018 11:56:54 AM | 31

@ 30: Seriously? So, they're going to starve themselves anyway by over populating, so it's ok to kill them by dropping bombs to accelerate the process as a kindness?


I suggest immediate therapy..

Posted by: ben | Aug 4, 2018 12:01:43 PM | 32

TG -30

Wikipedia states that the water situation in Yemen is "negligible", which makes it unlikely that the population will continue doubling every 20 years. Was there more water in that part of the world back a thousand or more years ago?

Taking what Joost has pointed out, Americans have always been at war, but have they ever been in so many wars at once? Perhaps that is why attention lags as they all run together. Plus we have our ever present celebrity culture to calm us.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Aug 4, 2018 12:03:32 PM | 33

@30 TG

this guy already brought up this thread on the last issue about Yemen , I think by a different username and the whole discussion derailed after it.I cant seem to find it.

I refuse to answer a psychopath genocide-justifying Thomas Malthus wannabe for the second time !


To the other people here.Stop answering him. Its completely and utterly useless.


Posted by: occidentosis | Aug 4, 2018 12:11:14 PM | 34

Posted by: TG | Aug 4, 2018 11:06:25 AM | 30

You're (eugenically) forgetting that Yemenis are dirt poor.
For dirt poor people sex is the only available entertainment substitute for the West's TV, Sunday drives, concerts, helping their offspring to achieve more than their parents, enjoying sports and hobbies which cost money to pursue, and Keeping Up With The Joneses. People not hampered by poverty tend to rapidly expand their horizons. China isn't the only example of this underlying truth.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 4, 2018 12:39:10 PM | 35

@24 "America is a total, complete disgrace. What a complete monstrosity it has become."
If that is the perception, you've not been paying attention. This country built on genocide and slavery has always been an abomination. It is just following its chosen path from the very beginning. It gave rise to the worst of human instincts. The dark side of humanity. By indulging it and buying into its pretty words and material abundance, however, we are all complicit.

Posted by: GoraDiva | Aug 4, 2018 1:02:50 PM | 36

Pardon if you all know or posted this already, but in case you haven't, South Front has a lengthy video on the war at [scroll down]: https://southfront.org/houthis-ucav-struck-military-base-in-southern-saudi-arabia/

Posted by: Maracatu | Aug 4, 2018 1:04:11 PM | 37

Humanity (and the gene pool) would be enhanced significantly if each and every person with money stashed in a Tax Haven were to be Summarily Executed tomorrow morning and the money confiscated from those accounts distributed with the Public Good in mind.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 4, 2018 1:04:38 PM | 38

Hoarsewhisper @ 38
Sadly from here on, your suggestion will be the only option!
The brutally of them. Completly devoid of eny empathy. They have become inhuman,sadly. The 1%.all the evil deeds they do are done with no personal consequence to them or there family. we now need to reintroduce CONSEQUNCES.
Yemen is'nt some ideal voyaristic side show ! For many years the brutality has been drifting closer to us. So even those who have no empathy the apathetic. There loved ones body parts will be scattered just the same as we see in Yemen and it won't matter who they voted for. So I thank you for your comment and would say our views tally here and genrealy.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 4, 2018 1:44:01 PM | 39

@ occidentosis | 28

I am just wondering whats the crap is being fed to the US americans/West to "justify" this genocide ?
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As far as so-called "mainstream" or corporate US media goes, the answer is "minimal crap".

There are perfunctory articles and wire-service reports about Yemen, but it is simply largely kept off the news agenda. The mass-media consent manufactories are far too preoccupied with endless crap about the madness or badness of Donald Trump, and promoting Russophobic hysteria. Yemen's desperate plight can't be "spun" to fit these categories.

So, while there are obligatory scattered reports about events in Yemen, it doesn't qualify as a topic for the US-dominated Western Mass-Media Hystericon. It's neither "justified" nor condemned, at least not in detail. In fact, it's treated as if it were an "internal matter" that is a problem for our good friends in Saudi Arabia (as the propagandists tell it), but of no particular concern or significance to Amerikans.

I think most "persons on the street" in the US would say, "Genocide? What genocide?"

Posted by: Ort | Aug 4, 2018 4:50:48 PM | 40

Just a Che away

No air force and no air defenses. Their cities and villages stricken with cholera. Facing the full might of the Empire on one of its furthest fringes. Yet somehow the Houthis pull together the courage and leadership to outflank the enemy and cut the supply lines of the Empire's legions. A dark hour to be sure, yet It seems to jog the memory back to Oriente province, Cuba, circa 1957. These people may be just a Che Guevara away from toppling an absolute monarchy.

Posted by: Chas | Aug 4, 2018 9:41:20 PM | 41

Posted by: Chas | Aug 4, 2018 9:41:20 PM | 41
(Just a Che away)

Hey, Clever stuff!
If there's already a song about Just A Che Away I haven't found it.
If there isn't, there should be.
There is a a hit song with a suitable melody. It's just out of reach and I've lodged an informal request with the grey matter Genie and am presently waiting for it to pop up...
It has a line which includes the expression "She's just a (?) away" or "it's just a (?) away".
The Genie works best when I erase the question from my mind.
I'm getting a Rolling Stones-ish inkling but it's not enough...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 5, 2018 1:00:22 AM | 42

Well of course the Saudis are attacking Yemen with Trump's blessing and help, and the Saudis are thanking him by staying at his hotels and Trump is making a killing in more ways than one.

With Trump and the Saudis it's GREED, GREED AND MORE GREED. They all sh.t on gilded toilets.

Posted by: Circe | Aug 5, 2018 1:24:17 AM | 43

Well, God Bless Google.
Here's the song. Right lilt. Right topic.

Did you mean: Rolling Stones Lyrics It's just a ? away
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Gimme Shelter

(The Rolling Stones)
Oh, a storm is threat'ning
My very life today
If I don't get some shelter
Oh yeah, I'm gonna fade away
War, children, it's just a shot away
It's just a shot away
War, children, it's just a shot away
It's just a shot away
...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 5, 2018 1:43:29 AM | 44

@44 Hoarsewhisper

One of the greatest and most beguiling guitar introductions ever. A signature sound. One of their greatest songs, maybe even their very greatest.

Oddly enough, I never read the lyrics before. Here are both the words and the music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbmS3tQJ7Os

~~

ps..Sorry to come in at the end of a pain-filled thread and merely talk rock and roll. But it does indeed seem to fit.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 5, 2018 10:11:43 PM | 45

Grieved says:

Sorry to come in at the end of a pain-filled thread and merely talk rock and roll

the pain-filled thread is pretty feeble next to the epochal dread/aspiration conveyed in this iconic song...from their 1969 album, entitled, Let It Bleed, no less.

no need to apologize for, nor certainly to trivialize, rock and roll.

it's just a kiss away

Posted by: john | Aug 6, 2018 7:00:28 AM | 46

Beggar's Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers.

Had the Stones not recorded anything prior to or after those 3 albums, they'd still be the world's greatest rock and roll band.

Posted by: Daniel | Aug 6, 2018 6:23:11 PM | 47

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 5, 2018 10:11:43 PM | 45
(apology for ?)

I agree with John (and Daniel). The question remains: Does the world need a song called Just A Che Away?
Never having studied Che's exploits nor their global importance I'm not qualified to decide, but I gather that he has a lot of fans. However, if it is a good idea then having a suitable ready-made melody gets it off to a flying start - lyrics being the easy part of creating a new song (compared with dreaming up a new tune).
"Ifs" aside, getting permission to borrow a Rolling Stones melody for such a project would possibly be greeted with enthusiasm from the copyright holders - all things considered.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 6, 2018 11:34:40 PM | 48

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