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August 15, 2018

Los Angeles Is First In US To Install Intrusive Subway Security - All Riders Will 'Volunteer'

The frog supposedly does not feel the slow increase of temperature until the water it sits in boils. In a similar vein people to not feel the loss of their freedoms when the observation and control instruments used on them are slowly more and more intrusive. The city of Los Angeles ratchets the screws up a few notches: Los Angeles is first in US to install subway body scanners

Los Angeles’ subway will become the first mass transit system in the U.S. to install body scanners that screen passengers for weapons and explosives, officials said Tuesday.
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The machines scan for metallic and non-metallic objects on a person’s body, can detect suspicious items from 30 feet away and have the capability of scanning more than 2,000 passengers per hour.

The capacity to check 2,000 passengers per hour is way too small for a subway line which usually has between 20 and 30,000 passengers per hour. While the system is software supported it will still need a lot of paid staff to watch the screens and to bother all the people who might carry something 'suspicious'.  There will likely be dozens if not hundreds false alarms per day.


Pic: Thruvision - bigger

This is supposedly to prevent someone with an explosives belt or an automatic rifle from entering the subway with the intend to commit mass murder. But how often does that happen? Globally its probably once per decade with zero to a few dozen casualties in any such incident. The risk of an accident or fire is much higher. It is doubtful that the expenditure and operating costs are justifiable.

Such security theater has the effect and purpose to make people feel afraid. It also makes a few people very rich.

But we are told that it is good for us. And taking part in this nonsense it is of course completely "voluntary":

Signs will be posted at stations warning passengers they are subject to body scanner screening. The screening process is voluntary, Wiggins said, but customers who choose not to be screened won’t be able to ride on the subway.

The poor have little choice but to use the subway and to get 'voluntarily' screened. The rich though will not be bothered at all.

Posted by b on August 15, 2018 at 01:22 PM | Permalink

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Indeed, it is a huge spenditure for a very rare event (I don't think a mass shooting has ever happened in LA's subway).

Posted by: VK | Aug 15, 2018 1:37:02 PM | 1

Thanks ' b'
Just a thought ! The company supplying the equipment, would that be the same company as was partly owened, by the man who owened the Vagas casino/Hotel where they had the massive shooting ?
I wonder becouse at the time of that shooting, it was suggested said owner would profit millions by the attack on his hotel, by selling this very time of equipment !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 15, 2018 1:52:50 PM | 2

Bad link to the article, B.

Posted by: pyrrh0 | Aug 15, 2018 1:53:06 PM | 3

Good luck with implementing this stupid idea on busy lines/times. I'm guessing that this 'service' will only be used during non-rush hour.

Posted by: Ian | Aug 15, 2018 2:22:12 PM | 4

One wonders if the operator of this system will be liable once something does happen.
Anyway, by the time the system breaks down, the profits have already been made, the fears have already been instilled.

Posted by: bjd | Aug 15, 2018 2:31:31 PM | 5

Sounds like a perfect scanning system to install in the Trump Tower and high income apartment builds in NY and the world over. And that secret DMV office just for legislatures in California that was recently disclosed.

Posted by: timbers | Aug 15, 2018 2:38:35 PM | 6

The contractor looks to be English. One of their specialties is scanning employees as they exit the premises at the end of their shifts. How does this tie into the City of L.A.?

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Aug 15, 2018 2:39:01 PM | 7

Mark2

That would be the Chertoff group seeking to make a coin off our fears. There's a video that goes into it, from the Vegas shooting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kiFbNHjV74 The video was originally put out by truthstreammedia.com but the last time I checked it wasn't available. The link is to someone else who uploaded it. Good view, that.

Posted by: M | Aug 15, 2018 2:49:13 PM | 8

I've wondered how long it would be before they started deploying this kind of thing on trains and such.

As you say, the poor really have no choice but to ride. But I'm reminded how much I've always loathed all the (purely voluntary) fliers who submit to this in the airports, since I always knew it eventually would start coming out of the airports for the rest of us.

Oh well, maybe there's an upside. The more the society hobbles itself with such things, whether out of corporate welfare corruption or actual paranoia, the faster the complex-society collapse process diagnosed by Joseph Tainter will go into overdrive.

Posted by: Russ | Aug 15, 2018 2:49:51 PM | 9

No one even bothers to mention it's a illegal,,, unconstitutional search without a warrant. If you do not accept the illegal search you are denied a taxpayer funded service. The same applies at Airports and Bus / Train stations standing in line for illegal search and seizure holding our shoes in hand. (absolutely disgusting) We are required to give up our rights to use tax funded services which we pay for.

Yeah,,, I know,,, mentioning this is a total waste of time.

Today we all just do the bobbin head thing. Yazza Masta.

When acting like sheep,,, you will be treated like sheep.

Posted by: ken | Aug 15, 2018 2:57:59 PM | 10

I live in LA, haven't heard a peep from local media on the subject. Rode the trains for the last 10 yrs. of my working career, and the problem certainly isn't terrorism, it's the desperately poor and under paid patrons that ride it. The lines have become zoos. Scanners won't help alleviate the real problems..

Posted by: ben | Aug 15, 2018 3:02:43 PM | 11

Thanks m @ 8
It appears my main hunch was wrong. But a must watch vid bang on the money. And very relevant here. Basically Mandalay bay ceo stands to make a bundle ! I'm glad I raised it.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 15, 2018 3:19:22 PM | 12

One can make a list of types of horrible incidents in subways systems. One can kill many passengers by

shooting

knifing

detonating an explosing

releasing a poison gas

igniting gasoline

If the security system is known, a homicidal maniac or a terrorist (risks in USA come mostly from the first group) may choose a method that evades it. Iron can be detected by X-rays or magnets and most of explosive by "smell" of nitrogen compounds, gasoline or thermobaric explosives may be undetectable. E.g. gasoline stinks, but if the container is sealed and washed properly, it does not. Spilling and igniting ca. 10 liters of gasoline allowed a depressed loner to massacre a carload of passengers in Seoul, Korea. So the grim conclusion is that the "materials" for a "lethal device" are readily available (self-service if you are morbidly shy!). That said, suicidal arson is too gruesome even for your average suicidal-homicidal maniac, so such incidents remain rare.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 15, 2018 3:57:11 PM | 13

On "less sceptic" note, a sketchy security system on American subway can be sufficient. Given a choice of a method, homicidal maniacs tend to use the easiest, and in USA that means firearms. Subways with gates, frequent presence of police, and relative rarity already cannot compete with schools, cinemas, churches etc. and modest security measures can magnify that effect.

The most terrifying aspect is that with some training, a homicidal maniac can be practically unstoppable. Ordinary security guards cannot stop an avid shooter, be it a hunter or a military veteran. I guess the best measures would be to spread a pacifist ideology and psychiatric counseling.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 15, 2018 4:14:35 PM | 14

ben @11:

Governments don't solve problems, they create them.

Posted by: Ian | Aug 15, 2018 4:15:25 PM | 15

ben @ 11

I did not visit California for years, but when I did, I was surprised that "Anglo" inhabitants would tend to be ignorant of transit systems, say in LA or San Diego, while there existed networks of bus lines where the customers were either poor looking brown colored people, presumably from Central America, or frail elderly, presumably to feeble to drive. I actually used such a bus to visit San Diego Zoo, but that was a feature, not a problem.

That said, the presence of a driver, however aloof, deters anti-social behavior, and cost-cutting eliminates people who would patrol trains. California tends to be extreme in that respect. E.g. on vacation I notice two things (a) high fees to enter state parks, and any decent view point along the coast is in a state park (b) no staffing of state park entrances, you had to buy the parking ticket using self-service. I must admit that within few hours we visited about 10 of those parks, and I live it to your imaginations how many times we paid to enter.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 15, 2018 4:27:10 PM | 16

Just ban the guns ! It's so simple I don't know why no one thought of it before !

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 15, 2018 4:31:56 PM | 17

The threat of terrorism affecting people in the 'West' is miniscule. British Police have lost 20,000 officers over the last eight years. They no longer automatically attend burglaries and other crimes. While we are being left in a 'fend for yourself' society, the 'security' industry is having money thrown at it left right and centre. The recent cycle mowing in London reiterates how the wealthy are making sure they are protected. The statistics support my claim that terrorism isn't a realistic threat. More deaths occur resulting from people visiting home improvement stores. These places really are peddlers of death ..... And significant amounts of bodged destruction.

Posted by: duplicitousdemocracy | Aug 15, 2018 4:38:07 PM | 18

“ The screening process is voluntary, Wiggins said, but customers who choose not to be screened won’t be able to ride on the subway.“

Just love this type of refinement when you are forced to accept it without a choice.

Wish the stupid Chinese CPC official would be able to master this kind of refining skills instead of their primitive “should/have to/must obey the order“ statement.

Posted by: Mali | Aug 15, 2018 4:47:13 PM | 19

Very Orwellian, down to "Wiggins'" classic sanctimonious doublespeak.

Only someone deranged by official groupthink would blithely contend, or at least imply, that "voluntarily" submitting to scans, but being denied access for declining, is fair and reasonable.

To the rest of us, it's obviously a variation of "everything not forbidden is compulsory".

It's always been obvious to me that the post-9/11/01 public "security" procedures are bogus-- "security theater", as B. correctly calls it. I also agree that it has the intended effect of promoting and sustaining public paranoia and anxiety, i.e. keeping people twitchy and afraid.

But it's even more insidious than that. While subliminally stoking mass paranoia, it also reassures complacent and submissive Normals that the government is on the job, protecting them from the unseen but ever-present terrorist Enemy.

And, of course, these large-scale programs are always a lucrative boondoggle and cash cow for well-connected businesspersons. And when bureaucratic agencies are established in the name of National Security, this creates a perpetual career ladder for the controller class.

Alas! As some commenters have mentioned, the public is already conditioned to either passively accept or welcome virtually total surveillance. Just a couple of examples:

1) there was a vicious assault committed on a harmless bicyclist in my city a while ago; he was riding along a parkway in a recreational green zone when he was randomly attacked and severely injured by a group of thugs.

The news coverage pounced on the idea that the entire parkway ought to be equipped with police surveillance cameras to both prevent (deter) criminals, and assist in their speedy capture. The local news editorials and "vox pop" street interviews featured overwhelming support for this idea-- this could reflect both a genuine public attitude and/or the news venues' manipulative editorial bias.

Despite a seeming consensus among officials and the public, the only reason this plan fizzled was because the political jurisdictions couldn't agree on who should pay for the system.

2) I don't fly or travel much, but I have progressive-liberal relatives who do. They are, er, completely on board with the TSA procedures in airports; in fact, they usually praise the ordeal, and sympathize with the TSA agents because their job is so monotonous. Their bland "pragmatic" acquiescence is infuriating.

It would be gratifying if this subway scam-- well, I guess "blew up in their faces", or even "backfired" would be an unfortunate choice of idiomatic expressions. Maybe LA commuters will not be as accommodating or understanding as the above-cited pro-surveillance travelers. But if my relatives lived in LA, they would be "optimistic" that the scanners may, on the whole, be a good idea.

Bah, humbug!

Posted by: Ort | Aug 15, 2018 5:08:36 PM | 20

Is there nobody thinking about the every day radiation they will receive.
1. Radiotion: All these nice words like "scanning" and "screening" at the entrance of the subway.
2. Radiation: The same thing is happening at airports, they also scanning and screening your luggage.
3. Radiation: Slowly and steadily 5G is being installed and activated around the country to "dose" the people in the area of a
5G post with radiation".

At a certain moment your body is saturated by all the "screening" and "scanning" and "5G radiation" these devices is giving human beings. And then ... it is all too late. A human body cannot stand anymore radiation. There are no "pauses" anymore to be able to "break down" all the received radiation.

In the meantime our psychopathiocal scientist want more and better and clearer "screening" and "scanning".

Isn't it time we finally start minding our health over all these screening and scanning nonsense?

Posted by: DarkEyes | Aug 15, 2018 5:35:17 PM | 21

It's Los Angeles...I give it about a week before the vid screens are covered in graffiti and the scanners have been pissed on (and shorted) by wandering drunks.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 15, 2018 6:00:38 PM | 22

@22 Hope springs eternal! I live in L.A. Perhaps I'll start a new tagging crew. I'll go by MOA!

Posted by: roza shanina | Aug 15, 2018 6:11:46 PM | 23

Could part of the reason for installing full body scanners (apart from the money to be made in the short term) at Los Angeles' subway also be to dissuade people from using it and to force them to use alternative transport options like Uber, Ola and Lyft if these are already operating in LA?

Also while governments, the installing companies and the relevant medical associations may issue assurances that full body scanners emit low levels of radiation, such assurances are not likely to be of comfort to commuters who would have to submit to full body scans at least four times a day (twice in the morning going to work and twice in the afternoon going home) and probably more often if they have second or third jobs, or have to change lines.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 15, 2018 6:23:43 PM | 24

Darkeyes@21

The elite are neomalthusians. Poor people dying earlier as a result is not an undesirable outcome to them.

Posted by: Pft | Aug 15, 2018 6:48:03 PM | 25

Perhaps the real issue with security on Los Angeles' subway system is that homeless people are using the trains for sleeping in, and that their presence and behaviour are deterring passengers from using the system. The extent of the problem must be such that even LA Metro's website mentions a Homeless Task Force to deal with homeless people using the public transport system.
https://www.metro.net/riding/homeless-task-force/

I guess this is what happens when cities try to sweep homeless people off the streets (but fail to build more shelters for them) and turn a blind eye to others beating up homeless people or raping or murdering them.

Here's an article from The LA Times illustrating the extent of the problem.

Laura J Nelson, "As waves of homeless descend onto trains, L.A. tries a new strategy: social workers on the subway"
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-metro-homeless-20180406-htmlstory.html

So the body scanning proposal may be a ham-fisted way of stopping homeless people from using the trains for safety and shelter.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 15, 2018 6:50:43 PM | 26

Reading the link it seems radiation is not an issue

"The device, which does not emit any type of radiation, searches for weapons by examining the “naturally-occurring waves produced by a person’s body,” according to the Metro statement. If a person has concealed an object under clothing or has something strapped to their body, a black spot or color indicator will appear on the computer-generated avatar."

Basically it gives authorities an excuse to search someone based on the scan. Scanning 1person ever 2 seconds wont cause much of a delay

The problem is it begs a false flag to get people to go slong with the added cost, and the manufacturer is a UK company. Americans must serve the crown in the city

Posted by: Pft | Aug 15, 2018 6:58:51 PM | 27

The world keeps turning into a scifi-novel, doesn't it, and it always was ;). Of course, they'll have supervision of any imaginable kind everywhere, cameras, scanners etc.; five yr of LA scanning without incident and it'll only be proof that scanning everyone prevents bad things ;).
Just imagine the means any fascist/socialist/elitist dictator would like to have at its disposal, and it'll happen. The future is all about ratio: how can n people control x others.

Posted by: radiator | Aug 15, 2018 7:10:18 PM | 28

"The screening process is voluntary, Wiggins said, but customers who choose not to be screened won’t be able to ride on the subway"

OK - have those who object enter the subway and sit down in the hallway - by the thousands. Even better if they've already paid.

Rinse and repeat 24/7 until they relent.

Posted by: daffyDuct | Aug 15, 2018 7:49:38 PM | 29

@17 Mark2

Local gov'ts and law enforcement in the US need to take the first step in "toning down" their "defensive armaments." If gov't wasn't the insidious and encroaching BLOB that it is today, it would have realized that a long time ago and taken steps; this would have been the good faith effort that would have paved the way for saner dialogue in the country, currently.

"When a there is not enough faith, there is a lack of good faith." Tao Te Ching verse.

As it stands, I fully support gun-toting citizens the US-over for this very reason: the gov't fears the people! Now why would they have to do that? /sarc

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 15, 2018 7:52:02 PM | 30

Radiator@28

Wait till they simulate an alien invasion to justify the expense of the Space Force and complete global lockdown due to the ability of the "aliens" to take human form.

Erich Fromm once observed, when operating within an insane society, the sane members are viewed as “insane.”

Posted by: Pft | Aug 15, 2018 8:01:59 PM | 31

Pft @ 27:

Look at who the shareholders are in Thruvision:

http://thruvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/180606-Shares-in-Issue-Major-Shareholders-23-May-18.pdf

Schroder Investor Management: linked to The Economist magazine, the Rockefellers and the Bank of England
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schroders

Janus Henderson, headquartered in the City of London
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus_Henderson

Soros Fund Management ... er, need I say any more?

Posted by: Jen | Aug 15, 2018 8:20:15 PM | 32

Pft @31:
You're misreading what the US Space Force is. It's an answer to China's own SF, PLA Strategic Support Force, and it offloads the responsibility from the USAF (I believe they're the ones responsible for space). The funds the USAF gets for monitoring space gets redirected to other things that they shouldn't be doing.

Posted by: Ian | Aug 15, 2018 8:22:07 PM | 33

Ian@33

I agree on the intent to redirect. My point was more to do with getting support for the Space Force Budget, although that was partly in jest. I am sure they can probably get what they need just by pointing out our reliance on Russian rocket engines and Chinas rare metals

Posted by: Pft | Aug 15, 2018 8:49:51 PM | 34

Jen@32

LOL. Talk about Open Conspiracies. Thanks

Posted by: Pft | Aug 15, 2018 8:51:15 PM | 35

Another reason to avoid the place. It's only in the extreme I'd transit via the USA. A mental institution where the inmates have the keys. This smacks of plebeian control. Subway deaths by nefarious instruments vs. highway deaths via vehicle accident etc? Hmmm, ...?

Posted by: imo | Aug 15, 2018 10:03:30 PM | 36

Pure idiocy.

Posted by: Fidelios Automata | Aug 15, 2018 10:29:42 PM | 37

Bloody hell; one more brick in the wall...
Anybody thinking of getting out of that hell hole had best decide soon; before all travel is restricted or stopped altogether...

Posted by: V | Aug 15, 2018 11:25:56 PM | 38

V@38

Nowhere to run unless you have dual citizenship. They can revoke your passport or fail to renew it now and that gets you sent back. They Just have to "claim" you owe Uncle Sam. That got passed during Obama

The nets tightening. That wall may well be to keep people in and not out.

Glad I am an old man. Couldn't take much more of this silliness although I guess for younger people this is normal. Not as much of a frame of reference, although now that I am more aware there was a lot of silliness in my youth. Ignorance is bliss though. Curse the internet.

Posted by: Pft | Aug 15, 2018 11:50:29 PM | 39

Pft | Aug 15, 2018 11:50:29 PM | 39

It's one reason I laugh when Usian's bark about freedom; they're nothing more than property. Owned lock, stock, and barrel by their owners; the U.S. government...
Ditto the "old man"; 73 and counting...
They'll never get me alive.

Posted by: V | Aug 16, 2018 12:03:30 AM | 40

It's one reason I laugh when Usian's bark about freedom; they're nothing more than property.
...
Posted by: V | Aug 16, 2018 12:03:30 AM | 40

Unkind, but true...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 16, 2018 12:51:52 AM | 41

@36

Interesting point re: the risk of dying in some violent incident on a subway vs the risk of dying in a traffic accident. Or even of dying in some violent incident in traffic. Seems there's an action movie mentality behind this thing.

Apparently the scanner works by distinguishing rigid objects from soft objects in motion. Seems there are all sorts of ways to fool such a system. Maybe somebody will invent a holster disguised as a beer gut.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Aug 16, 2018 1:26:54 AM | 42

Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 16, 2018 12:51:52 AM | 41

In today's reality the truth will rarely be kind.
In and of itself; truth is a rare commodity...

Posted by: V | Aug 16, 2018 1:39:53 AM | 43

Nemises @ 30
Interesting theory but of course,the elite are clearly profiting by that very paranoia ( def---paranoia, real or imagined fear ) plus when you look at reality and the direction of travel , owning a gun is making things worse not better ! It's there before our very eyes. On this post ! Guns are there, lets profit by selling guns, double the profit by selling gun detectors plant fear in the public so they vote get tuff Trump. Basically you'v been programmed to think what you think. It's a home grown version of USA arming rebels. It's a profitable business model, that's all. But a lot of inocent lives are being lost. A better world is possable. Left and right have been devided and ruled ! We need to join up and deal with the 1%

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 16, 2018 3:39:01 AM | 44

Jen @32
Wow just wow. It's blatant ! Every single stone we turn over ! The same names crawl out. Thanks yet again for your brill research .

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 16, 2018 4:21:55 AM | 45

If we just allowed LA subway passengers to arm themselves for self-defense, then the subways would be a lot safer, wouldn't they?

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 16, 2018 4:24:21 AM | 46

if i am not mistaken there is good chunk of comments have expressed its surprise. i do not know where these people live but i thought it is common knowledge by now that the US has fascist regime. with or without an orange guy in the office.

Posted by: partizan | Aug 16, 2018 5:29:17 AM | 47

@40, 41, 27
"It's one reason I laugh when Usian's bark about freedom; they're nothing more than property. Owned lock, stock, and barrel by their owners; the U.S. government..."

Not quite, they are owned by the corporate and financial oligarchs who own our governments, hence us:

From 27, "Look at who the shareholders are in Thruvision:

Schroder Investor Management: linked to The Economist magazine (Rothchild), the Rockefellers and the Bank of England, Janus Henderson, headquartered in the City of London, Soros Fund Management ..."

Posted by: Blue | Aug 16, 2018 5:42:45 AM | 48

Sister Eboga ‏Follow @SisterEboga

Replying to @caitoz
May you be rape repeatedly by trumpers. And may your house burn to the ground. I just hate what this country has come too since Russian agent in WH. I hate what I have become since Russia has taken over country.

3:06 AM - 16 Aug 2018

One typical tweet of average amerikkan.

Posted by: partizan | Aug 16, 2018 6:52:16 AM | 49

well, LA's car culture, afterall, where the highways and interchanges largely avoid a vast antiutopian meatspace. the subway's ripe for social r & d. all in the shadow of the Tyrell Corporation. weird.

their only respite's the ocean.

Posted by: john | Aug 16, 2018 12:48:46 PM | 50

ian 33

[You're misreading what the US Space Force is. It's an answer to China's own SF, PLA Strategic Support Force]

jeeze,
there's a SF gap with China to be bridged eh ?

Posted by: denk | Aug 16, 2018 12:50:11 PM | 51

When people learned and shared cultures of respect for one another, many of these proposed ways of enhancing security or safety were useless and unnecessary. Lack of trust; inability to express or communicate, listen or observe; loneliness and deep, reinforced rootlessness: address these and people won't need back-scatter, thruvision, X-ray, optical, whathaveyou gates anytime there's a bunch of them together.

Americans, of many creeds and cultures and colors, lasted for thousands of years without the need for any of these enhanced security measures (or cops, or priests, or lawyers). Restoring those American traditions and roots will help the newcomers, myself among them. The real gates are around our minds and senses of our interconnected histories.

Also, generally speaking, avoiding exposure to radiation is good, unless it's mountain-climbing.

Posted by: Charles R | Aug 16, 2018 1:23:10 PM | 52

...
jeeze,
there's a SF gap with China to be bridged eh ?
Posted by: denk | Aug 16, 2018 12:50:11 PM | 55

There sure is a gap.
About a year ago CGTN had a story about China having put an experimental Communication satellite into orbit. Its claim to fame is that its communications are encrypted via Quantum computers (computers based on Quantum Theory). They claimed that China is the first to have exploited QT in a practical application.
The experimental factor concerns finding the limit of the effective range of Q-encrypted radio signals i.e. theory tells them that such signals are prone to distance-related distortion and do not have unlimited range - yet.

Quantum Theory says that a Q-computer bit can be a 0, or a 1, or a 0 and a 1 simultaneously... (don't ask).

Physicists apparently agree that Quantum Encryption is truly secure and uncrackable. Hence the indecent haste with which catch up is being pursued.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 16, 2018 1:56:27 PM | 53

Hoarsewhisperer 53

China's SF is an answer to fukus 'full spectrum dominance'...air, sea, land and space.

Beijing started its own SF program AFTER its plea to de-weaponised space fell on deaf ears.

fukus never reacts to a 'threat',
it has always been THE threat.

Posted by: denk | Aug 16, 2018 2:09:38 PM | 54

...
fukus never reacts to a 'threat',
it has always been THE threat.
Posted by: denk | Aug 16, 2018 2:09:38 PM | 54

Agreed.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 16, 2018 2:40:18 PM | 55

The primary expertise of Thruvision and its founder Tom Black is actually surveillance, face recognition and big data analysis. It occur to me that the claimed purpose of scanning for explosed by looking at what I seems to be a bodys IR signature which is inconclusive is nothing but a ruse to identify large amounts of people some of who may be of interest to authorities. Unlike London a place like LA cant rely on cameras at every street corner to capture large numbers of people on camera

Posted by: Pft | Aug 16, 2018 10:05:21 PM | 56

(1) Gang violence - a phrase omitted from the article

(2) The subway system in LA is still pretty new and not established/widely used. The poor in LA own cars and ride buses in abundance.

It IS a boondoggle, but restriction on freedom? Not really. This is not NYC or London: LA was thriving before there was any subway at all (a lot of which is overground anyway). it is eminently avoidable. There are still not very many stations, and I would not be surprised if the lower income areas are under-served.

Freedom looks more like Tesla turning LA into a Swiss cheese.

- Shyaku

Posted by: Shyaku | Aug 17, 2018 8:38:10 AM | 57

I've wondered if some of this is to discourage travel. I know I don't want to fly again. The place where I work now has an area set aside for work on the L3 Comm scanners. The diagram on the side has someone with their hands in the air. I call them the "hands up don't shoot" scanners.

Good points on what "voluntary" means in these times, b. And yes, the odds of getting killed by a terrorist are far below those for getting hit by lightning. And yet, the mentality is to treat everyone like they're a terrorist. TPTB wanted this before 9/11 (and OKC) but those questionable events helped push things along. What is funny is when the govt tests their own systems and they mostly fail to detect dangerous items. Fail, fail, fail. And yet there's more contracts. Chertoff must be living large now on our misery.

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 17, 2018 8:40:45 AM | 58

Not so daffy, @29.

Posted by: John Anthony La Pietra | Aug 17, 2018 2:31:07 PM | 59

...
And yes, the odds of getting killed by a terrorist are far below those for getting hit by lightning.
...
Posted by: Curtis | Aug 17, 2018 8:40:45 AM | 58

That's an understatement...
There are 2 fascinating docos on lightning from '90s.
1. Electric Skies.
2. Lightning - Nature Strikes back.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 18, 2018 11:43:42 AM | 60

The biggest threats to life and property while traveling from point A to point B are two birds of a feather: cops and criminals.

Recall Oscar Grant, shot point blank in the back by a cop while in a prone position on the floor of a BART station...now, these LA scanners are totally unconstitutional and they dont prevent violence...in fact, one would almost intuitively expect an event to occur in the form of a false flag, now that the security/military industry is getting involved and theres so much money to be made.

All of the mass shootings and terrorist acts in America and Europe appear to be executed by professionals and designed to blame a patsy who, upon closer examination, didnt have what it takes to do the crime, eg didnt know how to use a gun. Recall the frail Muslim woman blamed for shooting people in CA and the eyewitness accounts of beefy white guys who actually did the shooting.... And the suspects almost never survive to be interrogated or tried in court because they die unusual deaths (Boston)...the few that do survive are sedated and unable to speak freely (James Eagan Holmes).... I cant think of a single terrorist incident or shooting that was unquestionably organic.

Posted by: Daniel Bruno | Aug 20, 2018 10:21:34 PM | 61

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