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May 10, 2018

Syria Sets New Rules For Israeli Strikes

When Trump killed the nuclear deal with Iran he gave Israel the chance to start a wider war with Syria. An earlier Israeli simulation of the situation had concluded:

The crisis created by the administration regarding the flaws of the nuclear agreement could be exploited to promote issues more urgent for Israel (mainly Iran’s missile program and presence in Syria).

The Israeli government claims that Iranian support for Syria is a threat to its country. That is a bogus claim. The Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahoo uses the "Iran threat" as boogeyman to divert attention from other issues like the various corruption cases against himself.

Over the last years Israel attacked Syrian army positions more than 100 times, often in support of al-Qaeda aligned "Syrian rebels". Syria did not respond as it was busy fighting against the Takfiri invasion within the country. In April Israel upped the ante when it attacked the T4 base in the middle of Syria from where Russian and Iranian forces support Syria's fight against ISIS. Iranian soldiers were killed in the attack. The Syrian air defense shot down at least one of the attacking Israeli F-16 jets. This shooting down of the Israeli jets was thought to have established a new balance, but Israel continued to provoke.

On Tuesday, just as Trump announced his breaking of the nuclear deal, Israel launched another strike on what it claimed were Iranian missiles in Syria targeted at Israel. The strike hit a Syrian army depot. Fifteen soldiers, some of them allegedly Iranians, were killed. Even the Israeli media had trouble to find an excuse for the illegal 'preemptive' attack:

Even if Iran had no intention of launching missiles at Israel on Tuesday, the alleged Israeli strike came along and conveyed the following message to the Iranians: You raised the likelihood of an attack on Israel, so we’re raising the threat level, despite the tensions.

It is not Iran's job to respond to Israeli strikes on Syria. The Syrian government wanted to retaliate immediately to Tuesday's strike but was held back by Russian concerns. Russia saw these provocations as an Israeli trap. Yesterday Netanyahoo visited Moscow. The Russian president warned him to stop the provocations. Netanyahoo did not listen.

Last night Israel again attacked Syrian military positions in al-Quneitra in south-west Syria. This time the Syrian missile forces responded with a barrage of more than 20 missiles against Israeli positions in the occupied Golan Heights. Israel escalated further with 70 strikes against Syrian positions.

The Syrian opposition outlet SOHR confirms this chain of events:

The Israeli shelling came just before the dawn of Sunday after the fall of missiles after midnight, launched from al-Quneitra area and southwest Rif Dimashq adjacent to the occupied territories of Golan, following the Israeli shelling which took place last night and targeted locations near al-Ba’ath city in the central countryside of Quneitra.

Pictures and video from Damascus show that the Syrian air defense intercepted many of the Israeli missiles.


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Israel now claims that it eliminated the "Iranian threat" in Syria:

Israel's Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said that Israel's forces struck "nearly all the Iranian infrastructure in Syria" and said that no objects were hit on the territories of Israel.

The claim of success is a signal that it does not want to go any further:

"I hope we've finished this episode and everyone understood," Lieberman added, stressing that Israel doesn't want an escalation, but "won't let anyone attack us or build an infrastructure to attack us in the future."

The propagandist praise of an Israeli success reminds one of previous similar claims.

On the second day of the 2006 war on Lebanon Israel loudly boosted that it had destroyed "all long-range Hizbullah missiles" in a 34 minutes long air campaign. But more than 100 missiles per day continued to hit Israel, including targets in Tel Aviv far away from the Lebanese border. Thirty one days later Israel sued for peace. Its invasion of Lebanon had been defeated. Its "successful" strike against Hizbullah's long range missiles had hit mostly empty positions.

The Israeli targeting in Syria is not much better than its targeting in Lebanon twelve years ago.

Syria will now continue to respond to Israeli attacks. This time it limited its strikes to military positions in the occupied Golan heights. The next strikes will go further. This time Israel sent its population in the occupied Golan heights into bunkers. The next time half of Israel may have to go underground. How long could Israel sustain that?

Iran will also retaliate for attacks on its forces in Syria. But it does not need to do so from Syria. There are also other ways and means than sending missiles.

That Syria, after much suffering, now retaliated for the Israeli strikes draws a new line in the sand. If Israel wants a wider war it will get one. The destruction in the involved countries in the Middle East, including Israel, might thrown them back 100 years. Syria, Lebanon, and Iran could live with that.  A 100 years ago Israel did not exist.

Posted by b on May 10, 2018 at 07:41 AM | Permalink

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Unfortunately the facts do not matter.

If Syria launches attacks on Israel proper, regardless of context, the "international community" and media will support whatever Israel decide to do in response.

Pessimistic yes but I think Syria/Iran need to be realistic here.

Posted by: Bob | May 10, 2018 7:47:03 AM | 1

What I want to know is, where are all those defensive missiles that Russia has provided to Syria and why are they not being used? An attack on Iranian positions in Syria is an attack on Syria itself as the Iranians are helping the Assad government to rid the country of head choppers. Lets hope that the Jews drop a bomb on Russian assets and the Russians respond in a way that makes Israel think twice before it attacks Syria again .

Posted by: john wilson | May 10, 2018 7:50:48 AM | 2

The North Vietnamese utilized a "grab the enemy by the belt" tactic and avoided the US air power. The axis of resistance is doing the same in the ME. With every violation they gradually shipped more and more anti aircraft weapons, missiles and advisors and edged them close to the Israeli border making Syria now almost impregnable. The strategic inititative has now passed for Israel as the axis of resistance has now neutralised Israel's air power and will retaliate for every incursion.

Posted by: Madmen | May 10, 2018 7:54:48 AM | 3

The Israeli claim that the mythical "Iron Dome" took out the four long-range missiles that didn't fall short reads to me, as Syria was firing missiles at the Golan Heights, but we will pretend the four Iron Dome countermissiles that got to the Golan Heights airspace intercepted missiles aimed at Israel. And all the rest were too, we'll just say they fell short, by a remarkable coincidence of Arab incompetence and divine favor for Israel. The Syrian claim to have taken out many Israeli missiles doesn't rule out damage from the debris from looking very much like the damage from a missile.

As to the larger goals? The states that can't muster popular support for the sacrifices of a war always like to imagine air power can substitute. They hope in this case, missiles will unhinge Syrian pressure on the takfiris in Idleb and the Turks in Afrin. Since the Syrian government by policy is defined as Arab incompetence and lacking in popular support, any military targets must be either Iranian or possible Russian.

Posted by: steven t johnson | May 10, 2018 7:57:38 AM | 4

As usual Russia was called by Israel before the airstrikes, and no criticism against Israel by Russia either.

https://sputniknews.com/news/201805101064317170-russia-israel-iran-restraint/


b


Iran will also retaliate for attacks on its forces in Syria. But it does not need to do so from Syria. There are also other ways and means than sending missiles.

Where are the evidence that Iran is behind it more the the lies and propaganda by Israel? Iran (see link above) deny they are there.

Posted by: Anon | May 10, 2018 8:05:49 AM | 5

Bob

Indeed, facts dont matter, western msm spread more propaganda than usual for israeli aggression,

@partisangirl put it fittingly:

#Israel occupies Syrian land. Israel is stealing Syrian oil out of the land it occupies. Israel has been giving AlQaeda medical aid out of the land it stole. Israel has launched 100 unprovoked attacks against #Syria. When #Syria retaliates, #Israel acts like the victim
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/994355593476325381?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Posted by: Anon | May 10, 2018 8:22:54 AM | 6

I think Putin told Nuttyyahoo nothing, and Bibi took that as Putin accepting that Israel can do as it likes indefinitely. The "Mission Accomplished walk back" from Lie-berman was probably the result of some Israeli gov't/military types figuring out that Russia has Syria playing "rope-a-dope" with FUKUS and Israel in places where Syria is not yet ready to re-take legal control within its borders. The fact Syria has survived this long under the FUKUS/NATO full-court-press is an indicator to even the most moronic, rabid Zionist that Israel (and the US) has worn out its welcome, and the long-term prospects for a Greater Israel are getting more remote by the day.

I'm sure the Rothschilds and their 0.001% enabler bankster/oligarch class are seething that Syria (and North Korea) have managed to stand against the agenda to have a Rothschild-controlled central bank in every country. That Rothschild-land (sorry Israel) cannot survive within its already illegal size without some Empire backing it shows how limited their actual ability to plan is. The idea that Israel will be able to continue to fight wars to the last FUKUS soldier and terrorist mercenary is beginning to wear thin, even in the right-wing conservative FUKUS citizen ranks. The Rothschild banksters are being exposed to the world population and the world is tired of Empires and their wars.

As you say, Iran will not retaliate against alone, especially given the US has again exposed itself and "agreement incapable" with Trump's latest ego-stroking, base-pandering step out of the nuke agreement. Trump looks like a 5-year-old, the way he holds up the excremental documents he just signed... I'm reminded of the child who having successfully pooped in the toilet drags a parent to witness it and exclaims "look what I did".

The only question is how much longer will the other countries in the US "alliance" accept the main results of their expensive participation in Zionist/US warmongering is a lot of Trumpian turds floating about.

Posted by: A P | May 10, 2018 8:33:34 AM | 7

The fact is, given the relentless provocations of the US and its attack dogs Israel and Saudi Arabia in the ME, how much longer will Putin be able to avoid a world war?

Posted by: Lea | May 10, 2018 8:34:51 AM | 8

Hello, very good articles and comments to find here on this website! Thanks and respect, foremost to Bernhard, coming from a German reader. The play of forces within the quadrupole Russia, Syria, Iran and Israel is intricate. Some light is thrown on it with the following article of Thierry Meyssan under the title "Russia is opposed to a war between Iran and Israël". Kind regards, Gerhard

http://www.voltairenet.org/article201027.html

Posted by: Gerhard | May 10, 2018 8:37:22 AM | 9

@Lea: Russia, China, Iran (and much of the rest of the BRICS/SCO) can withstand the Rothschild/FUKUS/Zionist/Wahabbist cartel for a LONG time. The old "don't interrupt your enemy when he is destroying himself" axiom applies. Major cracks in the Rothschild/FED/City of London domination are beginning to become more critical, and the longer Russia, China et.al. forestall a WW, the quicker the Rothschild house of cards will collapse. The US military budget is simply unsustainable as it stands. The countries aligned with Russia/China want a relatively slow, controlled collapse, where the FUKUS/Zionist countries take the majority of the harm.

Posted by: A P | May 10, 2018 8:46:56 AM | 10

"The US military budget is simply unsustainable as it stands."

The US military budget is part of GDP and contributes to and stimulates the economy. A lot of companies depend on the expenditures of the army and provide for instance the bases arround the world with innummerable stuff (fast food, entertainment, golf courses, movies, buildings, cleaning services ...)

Posted by: c | May 10, 2018 9:10:58 AM | 11

As long as this missile tossing doesn't escalate, the economic winners are Russia, USA, Iran, Valenzuela, and other energy exporters. Economic losers are the EU and consumers worldwide.

Posted by: Enrico Malatesta | May 10, 2018 9:11:02 AM | 12

8 Neither Syria nor Israel can afford a war. Nor can Saudi afford all out war against Iran. Nor can US bases in the Middle East.

Syria, Israel and Iran are negotiating with Russian mediation the "threat" to Israel from Syria. In all likelyhood Israeli military schemed for a "security zone" in the Golan for their proxies. It looks like they did not manage to get that.

De facto Israel has lost its projection of power in the Middle East with the Lebanon war. What they have left is "Mutually Assured Destruction". Their only chance is to try to get the United States to intervene, and this has been tried many times. All they got is Trump cancelling the nuclear deal in the hope to topple Iran's leadership and this is like shooting yourself in your foot should this lead to military hardliners taking over in Teheran.

The "friends of Syria" were able to cause huge costs to Syria because of Syrian internal divisions but not in Lebanon as much as they would have liked to because politicians there have become "wise" and know how to deal with the splits in their society. And because Hezbollah there has a monopoly on military power that grants internal peace.

Israel "fighting Iran" has backfired so much for Israel that I am not sure it was their idea in the first place - they are practically a US colony. Netanyahu's very symbolic taking part in the 8th of May victory parade in Moscow next to Putin can be read in many ways - fact is that by defending themselves, the Soviet Union saved Eastern European Jews from absolute extinction.

Posted by: somebody | May 10, 2018 9:20:13 AM | 13

Just a few points of possible interest, I certainly claim no originality.

(1) Israel—like the Americans—are extremely casualty averse. They are accustomed to fighting their wars, committing their ghastly imperial crimes, with almost total impunity. The gigantic machine of global propaganda they control, the "free media", gives them a huge advantage in all tactical and strategic possibilities (allowing for brutal retaliation if the victim should have the audacity to respond in kind), but not the 100% immunity they seek, as genuine cowards. The tables at last, after rivers of blood spent by the victims, are turning.

(2) b asserts: "It is not Iran's job to respond to Israeli strikes on Syria. The Syrian government wanted to retaliate immediately to Tuesday's strike but was held back by Russian concerns." I find this statement a bit curious and actually meaningless. The interests of Syria, Iran and Russia are now deeply interwoven, a reason why they fight together and behave as partners in a military and strategic alliance (this naturally includes the brave independent but Iran-friendly Hezbollah). These parties are in a de facto alliance whose strategic domain, properly understood, is the entire Middle East, not just Syria. The hegemon and its rabid spawn, Israel, must be neutralised in the region for peace to be established, and that includes of course the neutralisation of the Saudi threat, another rabid entity that would not exist or would be helpless (they are militarily pathetic) without the coddling and support of the Americans and the NATO powers, and the plentiful money to pay expensive foreign mercs. In the final analysis, all these horrible wars, many by proxy, issue from America's hegemonist drive, the Neocon vision for the American millennium. Without America's unconditional support, the Israelis would not have the balls to fire one bullet across the border with Syria or any other country.

(3) In sum, the immediate and middle term strategic interests of Syria and Iran are coterminous and congruent. It's sophistry to try to separate them. As far as the anglo-zionist empire's depredations go and goals for the region go, Washington's plans for the region impact Syria and Iran equally, both presenting them with unacceptable prospects, lack of sovereignty and possible destruction. Further, Israel is justifying its disabling blows on Syria by the presence of Iranian assets, a legitimate presence in Syria under international law. Because of that, Iran is as obligated to respond to Israeli incursions and sundry aggressions on its close partner as is Syria itself. Unity of these forces is indeed essential to conquer the lethal threat represented by the anglozionist criminals.

Posted by: Charbolas | May 10, 2018 9:36:51 AM | 14

Here we go,

"France condemn Iran for aggression"
https://on.rt.com/94zf

Posted by: Anon | May 10, 2018 9:41:09 AM | 15

add to 13
Jerusalem Post - Putin is now key to restraining Iran in Syria

I guess the missile adventure did not go that well.

Posted by: c | May 10, 2018 9:10:58 AM | 11

Yes but this stimulation is financed by taxes Trump's backers want to have cut.

And it bites into the part of tax income that is needed for education, social security, infrastructure.

As a rule, if your economy depends on the military you need wars to force taxation. Historically this used to be a recipe for revolution.

Trump's ideology is protofascist but I doubt his backers are crazy enough to plan for WW3. Nor is he dictator enough to be able to lead his country into one - nor are Americans sheep enough.

Posted by: somebody | May 10, 2018 9:49:30 AM | 16

O/T but as a veteran I really appreciated this short video from the Victory Parade in Moscow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3YTcRB5xKA

Posted by: morongobill | May 10, 2018 9:50:26 AM | 17

Syrian army says destroyed most of Israeli rockets

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/05/10/561246/Syria-Israel-Golan-Heights

Posted by: Ninel | May 10, 2018 9:51:21 AM | 18

B story simply does not add up, I was always impressed with b presenting highly probable stories with a lot of circumstantial evidences from many sources but unfortunately more and more they become far fetched like today's story.

The true story likely looks like that Putin is cooperating or asking for permission from Israel about their own and Syrian government decisions. Is that not crazy that Israel is the very reason for American agression in Syria and MENA and Russians maintain very good relationship with them for last decade even when Israel supported Kiev coup .

The situation is more like, judging by facts, Assad is Putin puppet and Putin is Netanyahu puppet and Trump is as well Netanyahu puppet. (Case of Iran)

That cannot be harsh realpolitik but just a political theater for public consumption. All of that are lies and b as intelligent person, seems to scramble to make up sensible story ignoring that the could b multiple levels of shit piling up and that there are no heroes there, but powerful egotistic individuals trying to elbow their position at global oligarchic table.

Assuming that global government has been accomplished everything becomes clear, there is no global confrontation but publicity stunts liken to Roman theater where some actors really died or loose arms if written in the script.

I wonder when b gives up on fairy tales and face reality of flesh and blood people being are used as fodder consumed by this reality show.

Posted by: Kalen | May 10, 2018 9:53:24 AM | 19

add to 13/15 this was not an Israeli idea

However, the operation was preceded by a meeting between Vladimir Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu in Moscow and there is a possibility that Moscow’s ally Tehran was aware that an attack was forthcoming. There are no reports, so far, of Iranian casualties. ... Following the latest clashes Israeli defence minister Lieberman stated: “I hope that we have finished this chapter and everyone got the message.” His country had “no interest in escalation”.

But the dynamics have changed. In the past the US had urged restraint on Israel: now the Trump administration has people who want to promote violence. Shaul Mofatz, a former Israeli defence minister and chief of staff, revealed how national security advisor Bolton, while US ambassador to the UN, pressurised Israel to bomb Iran. Mofatz had declined, saying: “I don’t think it is a smart move.”

Posted by: somebody | May 10, 2018 9:58:58 AM | 20

"Yesterday Netanyahoo visited Moscow. The Russian president warned him to stop the provocations. Netanyahoo did not listen."

I would appreciate some evidence for Putin having warned crazy Netanyahu about anything? As far as I can tell, Israel bombs Syria at will, and Russia doesn't seem to care a hoot about it. An ally would have used military force by now to stop the bombings.

Posted by: Sharon | May 10, 2018 10:05:35 AM | 21

Kalen @18
The true story likely looks like that Putin is cooperating or asking for permission from Israel about their own and Syrian government decisions.

Are you serious?

Posted by: WJ | May 10, 2018 10:06:13 AM | 22

b: your title is a perfect summary. the new rules seem to be that Syria will respond to each and every aggression. In the past responses were promised but never seen or delivered. The rules have changed on that front.

Posted by: les7 | May 10, 2018 10:06:19 AM | 23

There are reports that Putin’s talks with Netanyahu in Moscow failed. My guess is that Putin asked Netanyahu to stop his provocations - these do threaten Russian servicemen in Syria. I’m sure Putin has offered to negotiate an Iranian withdrawal from Syria after Syria has booted the jhadists, perhaps in return of US withdrawal.

Netanyahu likely ordered the attacks on Syria because he didn’t get what he wanted from Putin

Posted by: Alaric | May 10, 2018 10:06:28 AM | 24

@18 "The true story likely looks like that Putin is cooperating or asking for permission from Israel"..... sure, sure, Putin asks Netanyahu for permission before he acts.

If that were the case then Russia would never have intervened in Syria, because he would have asked for a permission-slip from Bibi, who would certainly have said "no".

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 10, 2018 10:07:17 AM | 25

@2 "where are all those defensive missiles that Russia has provided to Syria"

Well, b have helpfully included a photo of lots of missiles being fired into the sky by Syrian forces.

Where do you think those missiles came from, John, if not from Russia?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 10, 2018 10:09:22 AM | 26

@13
Yes, Netanyahu presence at the May 9' victory parade (absence of WWII allies)!can be read in many ways and that one you suggested is on number 100 position on plausible explanation list. And in fact an insult to Soviet vetrans of WWII. It seems Putin is losing any historical sense he played so well before.

Needless to say that just few months ago at the anniversary of liberation of Auschwitz Israeli ambassador to Poland denied any role of Soviet troops in liberation of the camp and referred to this event as taking over the camp and by guess who? Not Russian soldiers by Ukrainian soldiers, practically against will of their Russian commanders.

And when controversy arose about this blatant lie (in fact soviets liberated camp with few thousands of Soviet POW illegally held there violating law of war)! , Netanyahu himself and his minister supported those lies.

Putin with this stunt lost a lot of credibility as politician in Russia.

Posted by: Kalen | May 10, 2018 10:10:25 AM | 27

Dear Putin,

Please find your spine and deliver the S-300 Syria paid for along with more point defenses or even some decent fighter planes. The 3D chess game your proponents claim you play has a crucial flaw.:

The neocons/Israelis consider it a sign of weakness and it encourages them to do worse. Netanyahu absolutely targeted bases with Russian forces last night and he’ll do worse if you don’t show a spine. Neocons and Jews (usually one in the same) only understand force.

You must at same point show a spine Mr Putin.


PS: the same apples to me and all us bloggers who have not done shit to create a legit anti war movement in the US and Eu.

Posted by: Alaric | May 10, 2018 10:13:03 AM | 28

One of the claims I've read is that the Israelis launched a wave of bombed-up UAVs at the Syrian radar and control systems in an attempt to repeat their 1982 success.

Apparently the Syrians shot them all down. Certainly the Israelis haven't managed to blind those defences.

If that is true then this is not just a serious tactical setback for the Israelis, but it also betrays a shocking lack of innovation on their part. After all, that trick is now over 30 years old, why would they think that the Syrians would fall for it again?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 10, 2018 10:13:41 AM | 29

@21
If you read past this line, Iam asking if this is not crazy that Russia and Israel have great relations in past decade while this shit is going on including attempts to unseat Putin by the West.

Posted by: Kalen | May 10, 2018 10:15:07 AM | 30

How nice that those young Israeli boys and girls would take the time to train Syria/Russ on Air defense against cruise missiles and such.. I'm sure Syria / Iran will be quite happy to return the favor, once they have removed the terrorists / mercenaries from Syrian soil.

Posted by: Breadonwaters | May 10, 2018 10:16:19 AM | 31

This from an Israeli journalist/propaganda account:

Elizabeth Tsurkov @Elizrael 1h
Contacts in Quneitra right along the border fence are telling me that they're seeing massive movement of Israeli tanks on the occupied Golan and non-stop overflights of Israeli drones.

Posted by: b | May 10, 2018 10:20:50 AM | 32

Alaric 27

Very true, Putin will end up a big loser for his trencachery, what will he win if Assad is murdered by Israel just because Syria didnt have S300? Like a a western-backed rebel government would ever have a good relationsship with Russia.
What is he thinking!

Your last comment about anti-war groups is so true too, how come it vanished just like that? Due MSM propaganda against it? Against views like we have here? Its a disgrace that we simply cannot create something..

Posted by: Anon | May 10, 2018 10:21:55 AM | 33

About JCPOA, the only remaining question was if EU poodles will follow US. Khamenei said Iran will continue implementing it if EU gives firm guarantees they stay as well, but as usually correctly pointed out its highly unlikely EU grew a backbone.

That question was answered just now, when UK, France and Germany immediately jumped to accuse Iran of an aggression against Israel, even though they know perfectly well who the real aggressor is. My guess is, EU withdrawal from JCPOA will be gradual rather than immediate, but the end will be just the same.

Posted by: Harry | May 10, 2018 10:27:20 AM | 34

les7 @22 and anybody else,

Assuming this is true, does Syria have capacity to incrementally escalate military response with each Israeli strike *without* relying on aid from Hezbollah support? If so, then this could prove an effective means of deterrence, especially so long as the scope of Israeli air strikes will continue to be limited by the need to avoid areas and installations with Russian military presence. I suppose time will tell. The clear and I believe correct strategy in any case is to prevent Israel from successfully drawing out an Iranian military response (including Hezbollah). My one doubt is whether the SAA currently is perceived as having the operational capacity to respond in a way that is forceful enough to deter future Israeli strikes.

Posted by: WJ | May 10, 2018 10:32:39 AM | 35

DON'T TAKE THE BAIT Syria and Iran. Everything is going according to Israel's plan. They finally goaded you into responding to their strikes after several years of striking Syria with impunity. So now, Israel will convince the US to back the jihadist rebels and overthrow Assad. When that happens, there will be true genocide in Syria of Alawites, Christians, and Druze, basically any and all that are not radical Sunni Jihadists. Then, next stop, a US war with Iran.

Posted by: gdpbull | May 10, 2018 10:33:57 AM | 36

The safest way to stop Israel’s aggression and frequent attempts to start a regional and even world war is to beef up
Syrian and Iranian air defenses. The IDF is nothing without air supremacy and NetanNazi knows this. The EU/US will also think twice about attacking a country if their air supremacy must be earned with downed planes.

Jews have spent decades buying/sanitizing media and buying politicians so they can Balkanize (destroy really) the Middle East. They won’t stop until they and their puppets pay or recognize an unacceptable price for their aggression.

Posted by: Alaric | May 10, 2018 10:41:30 AM | 37

gdpbull @36
So now, Israel will convince the US to back the jihadist rebels and overthrow Assad.

1. The US has been doing this since the beginning. It is the whole reason *why* there is a "Syrian conflict" in the first place.
2. Russia will not allow US to overthrow Assad and everybody has known this since at least 2016.

Posted by: WJ | May 10, 2018 10:41:34 AM | 38

@b

I agree that the big takeaway from all this is that Syria has drawn a new red line. And that line has been emerging in various incidents in recent months. I have a suspicion that Israel understands this red line very well, and continues to be equally frustrated and impotent.

The meta-strategy you cite - that real war would take the ME back 100 years - could be beguiling to many in the ME, with what it would say about no more Israel (and no more KSA also?). Interesting concept - I had never heard it before, thanks for introducing it.

So this was the false flag on Israel that many speculated was coming? It seems to have exhausted itself to no gain except for Syria's throwing down its own gauntlet. And Trump moved his withdrawal 2-3 days earlier so that Netanyahu could be in Moscow when his forces initiated the attack?

It all seems like a lot of scheming in a house of cards that all comes to nothing when it meets with real power on the ground.

And now @32 you say Israel is moving tanks around. It will need to be careful that its grandstanding doesn't trigger the Golan campaign, because one gets the impression that Syria is ready to engage ahead of schedule if pushed. A certain amount of aggravation may be required to raise the stakes before Russia can broker the negotiations that will eventually result in Israel's complete withdrawal from the occupied Golan.

It seems the scheming of the Israeli thinkers is as shallow and unrealistic as all the nonsense comments flooding threads everywhere in the last 2-3 days, including here. It's a nuisance around the feet for the adults but it holds no power, and if ignored will die away.

Posted by: Grieved | May 10, 2018 10:59:58 AM | 39

What are the anti-aircraft capabilities of Lebanon? Is there any chance they could stop Israeli jets from violating their airspace and attacking Syria? Could they close their airspace if this escalates?

Posted by: Jason | May 10, 2018 11:22:17 AM | 40

Posted by: somebody | May 10, 2018 9:49:30 AM | 16

"Yes but this stimulation is financed by taxes Trump's backers want to have cut."

All senators and representatives want the pork from government spending in their 'backyard' states. US government spending is not funded by taxes (Greenspan, Bernanke, MMT) and only restrained by available resources. The so called evil trade deficits are in fact subsidies from foreigners in return for fiat dollars

"And it bites into the part of tax income that is needed for education, social security, infrastructure."

The current inequality points out that the elites there don't give a damn about that. Social security benefits big pharma and health industry, infrastructure is crumbling because of unwillingness to do something about it based on immaginary restraints. Eductation likewise is a racket, student loans and all

As a rule, if your economy depends on the military you need wars to force taxation.

Posted by: c | May 10, 2018 11:23:38 AM | 41

Missed this:

"As a rule, if your economy depends on the military you need wars to force taxation."

There is no such rule. Any country at war will raise the necessary means. Beside that taxation levels the field and corrects behavior in an economy.

Posted by: c | May 10, 2018 11:27:48 AM | 42

Grieved @39
...one gets the impression that Syria is ready to engage ahead of schedule if pushed.

In order to get this impression one has to have an extremely optimistic view of the current operational capacities of the SAA.

Posted by: WJ | May 10, 2018 11:30:07 AM | 43

Jason @40
What are the anti-aircraft capabilities of Lebanon?

The proof is in the pudding.

Posted by: WJ | May 10, 2018 11:32:05 AM | 44

@A P #10

I like to think of it as the AngloZionist/Wahhabi Empire.

There is all this talk about Israel "tricking" the US or the Saudis making pay offs to get its way with the US. This is a misguided view. Step back and look at the ME, say over the last decade - what policy decision or action decision was made that did not fit into the interests of all three?

There is a pretty well documented historical record of how the US set up the global empire after WWII - which it could not have done without support - the Zionists and the Saud family were brought in as full partners.

Posted by: Babyl-on | May 10, 2018 11:33:30 AM | 45

The main point of B's analysis is the interpretation of Lieberman's statement as 'We will stop now'. This seems at odds with the situation as a whole, but could prove right for the moment. The caravan has reached the Rubicon. Nobody knows for sure if one of the many parties will cross it and unleash the furies of world war. It takes just one and there are many. Some false flag action could be next.
Maybe this is some sort of distraction and the escalation will come from the Koreas. Although it looks not that bad there now it may be the calm before the storm. The u.s. will not accept a phased procedure and China will not accept the penetration of the north by u.s. army.

Posted by: Pnyx | May 10, 2018 11:37:40 AM | 46

@35. "DON'T TAKE THE BAIT"
This is the most salient point. All posters who bash Russia for this & that can keep screaming all day long but the fact remains the 4+1 Resistance is winning the war in Syria/Iraq and nothing will change that fact.
"Steady, As She Goes.."

Posted by: Lozion | May 10, 2018 11:52:33 AM | 47

"DON'T TAKE THE BAIT"
This is the most salient point and all those who bash Russia for this & that can scream all day long but nothing will change the fact the Resistance is winning the war in Syria/Iraq.
"Steady as she goes"..

Posted by: Lozion | May 10, 2018 11:56:49 AM | 48

Posted by: Lozion | May 10, 2018 11:56:49 AM | 48

I wholeheartedly agree. Sometimes I wonder whether it's a "western", an American or a "Christian" Zionist's illness to wish upon mass murder and destruction...

Posted by: LXV | May 10, 2018 12:13:36 PM | 49

Posted by: A P | May 10, 2018 8:33:34 AM | 7

"I think Putin told Nuttyyahoo nothing, and Bibi took that as Putin accepting that Israel can do as it likes indefinitely."

If you look at the body language nad behaviour of Putin during the Victory Day parade, you will get an answer. Putin basically totally ignored Boobie, and spent most of his time talking to Alexander Vucic, the President of Serbia. Vucic was seated on Putin's right and Boobie on his left. Sometime later towards the end of the ceremony, Vucic, Putin and Boobie were walking in line abreast (Boobie on the left again) to a place to lay flowers. The security team rough handled a WWII veteran who inadvertantly got too close. Putin immediately went to the veteran, shook his hand and invited him to walk alongside himself and Vucic. Putin then proceeded to chat with him. Boobie was delegated to the second row. However, after a while, he wormed his way to the front line alongside the vet, matching his behaviour at the Charli Hebdo procession in Paris a while back. Boobie is a total narcissist (amongst other things).

Boobie was only there because he scammed his way in, by demanding an urgent meeting with Putin on May 9.

Posted by: Yonatan | May 10, 2018 12:21:14 PM | 50

@ Lozion | 48

There is always a limit. Syria was taking it in the chin for 7 years, with many hundreds of SAA dead and lots of infrastructure destroyed. But in a midst of MASSIVE Israeli escalation, Syrians have no choice but to retaliate (especially with increasingly available soldiers lately), because absolutely regardless if they do or dont they will be painted as aggressors anyway (along with Iran and Hezb), so they might just as well start downing jewjets and bombing jewbases in retaliation. With enough IDF coming back in body bags they might reconsider attacking Syria, just as after getting bloody nose from Hezb Israel thinks 10x before bombing Lebanon.

As for Russia, it has friendly relationships with both Israel and Syria (think US and Turkey/Kurds), their soldiers arent dying, so they wont attack best bud's Nutjobyahoo IAF jets, and are very reluctant to give S-300 either. Its very different for Syria/Iran.

Posted by: Harry | May 10, 2018 12:27:27 PM | 51

The entire western media - both US & European - claim that Israel retaliated for Iranian missile attacks on its territory. This is the reality. Israeli propaganda will be amplified by western media.

Col. Lang believes that Trump has given Bibi a blank check to escalate and believes any reason even if fake will be used by the US to join in the attacks on Iran, Syria and Hezbollah.

It seems that it will be put-up or shut-up time soon for Putin and Xi.

Posted by: ab initio | May 10, 2018 12:27:53 PM | 52

thanks b..

@50 yonatan... thanks for that overview..

@51 harry.. i think russia has to give syria the s-300.. it is coming down to that.. i see no other option.

someone else said israel is mostly an airforce and not much else.. the s-300 would put a serious dent in that based on my understanding.

Posted by: james | May 10, 2018 12:30:58 PM | 53

The Israeli regime must have gotten a significant beatdown last night if they are cutting and running so quickly.

Even with the Israeli regime hiding their losses, the videos from last night show the Israeli regime "Terror Dome" as almost complete junk with Syrian missiles flying unmolested directly to their targets.

It is clear that Syria was holding back with their response to the Israeli regime attack and just wanted to give them a bloody nose before returning to wiping out the last pockets of terrorists in Syria.

The Israelis cowering in sewers as Syrian missiles rained down upon them must have been crapping their pants.

If the Israeli regime got this bad of a beating just from a token Syrian missile barrage, it is easy to imagine 200,000 missiles raining down from Lebanon if the Israeli regime launches another terror attack against Lebanon like they did in 2006.

Hopefully the new era in Lebanon will lead to an integration with Syria's increasingly effective air defense network and the Israeli regime subsequently neutered.

Posted by: gorlog | May 10, 2018 12:33:45 PM | 54

Yonatan 50

Agree a Hundred %. then the picture of them sitting down shows
a tense and hostile Putin

Posted by: CarlD | May 10, 2018 12:36:42 PM | 55

All three poodles of the US are bowing to Bibi:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dc2bMYnW0AAevIs.jpg
https://twitter.com/foreignoffice/status/994535772819779587


German Chancellor Angela Merkel speaks with Iranian President @HassanRouhani. Condemns attack on Israeli army posts, reiterates support for nuclear deal.

Posted by: Yul | May 10, 2018 12:58:54 PM | 56

Clearly, many are confused by the complex relationship between Russia and the Zionist state and between Russia and the overall Arab world--not just Syria and Iran. This essay will help those thus befuddled.

As for the actual engagement, IDF moved tanks and other weaponry closer to the contact line in Golan over several days prior and provided much support for its terrorist proxies previously. Last night's attack was coordinated with an offensive push by IDF's terrorists with supporting fire provided by the heavy IDF units in Golan--tank, artillery rockets, heavy machine gun, while IAF launched its missiles from over Golan and Lebanese airspace. All points received counterfire from SAA and the terrorist's attempted advance was repulsed. After action reports by Russia's MoD show the vast majority of Zionist missiles were destroyed, while the Zionist Iron Dome defense fared poorly prompting the evacuation of civilians to bunkers. There was nothing Iranian involved. Furthermore, the region surrounding Daara on the border with Jordan is within a deconfliction zone whose agreed upon terms were violated by IDF's terrorists, thus cancelling that agreement. Word has it that the cancellation has caused SAA's elite Tiger Forces to be diverted from Homs/Hama pocket to Daraa and the long anticipated SAA offensive to secure that area will soon commence (whether this is rumor or fact will be determined within the next 48 hours). IMO, the Zionists lost the battle, although they did get the ever predictable May to echo their propaganda about the Iranians firing first. Another unsuspected casualty is the tie between EU and Outlaw US Empire as expressed by Merkel, Macron and other members of German government.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 10, 2018 1:02:28 PM | 57

Israel prepare to kill iranian general
https://sputniknews.com/military/201805101064328493-us-israel-general/

Posted by: Anon | May 10, 2018 1:03:38 PM | 58

Herodotus observed long ago that fortunes of jurisdictions often change, up tends down, weaker becomnes stronger, etc ; he also noted that accidents rule men, not men accidents. Wise old geezer.

Consider the 'Phoenix rising' of Russia over the past generation, from desperate straits to multi-faceted great improvement now, in the face of a massive explicit attempt by the US military to exert and achieve lasting "full spectrum dominance", which translates into totalitarian global rule.

Russia has also risen into effective national sovereignty from near death in the face of the explicit intention of the financial PTB to set up a system of totalitarian goverance (James Paul Warburg, 1950, to US Senate: "We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The only question is if world government will be achieved through conquest or consent." David Rockefeller, 1991: "The world is prepared to march towards a world government ... [in which] supranational sovereignty [is held by] an intellectual elite and world bankers ....")

Putin has explicitly rejected "unipolar" totalitarianism on behalf of national sovereignty and thus made himself and Russia the prime targets of global totalitarianism. China and Iran too, and Syria, Libya before its destruction in 2011, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, are all obstructions to the attempt at global totalitarianism, imposed 'whether we like it or not'.

But the times they are a changin'. 20 years ago, the military advantage was very much in western hands, and they could act with relative impunity via bombing and missiles. The development in China, Iran and Russia over the last two decades of a new generation of weapons, notably precise high speed offensive missile weaponry in conjunction with enhanced defensive capabilities, has created a new global military paradigm which will take a while to impinge upon old imperial habits of mind and behaviour.

MAD is now followed by unacceptable risk considerations.

Now, the intended global projection of US and thus Israeli power (the US political system swears allegiance to Israel) in far flung hundreds of American military bases and via a globe straddling navy has been transformed into the projection of serious vulnerabilities.

Furthermore, given the hundreds of nuclear reactors in the west with their overfilled highly radioactive, catastrophe-waiting-to-happen spent fuel pools, (refer back to Herodotus) it will be more and more the case that gratuitous depravities abroad carry the risk of not just bits of inconvenient blowback, but catastrophic blowback.

So the military option will increasingly have to be put on the back burner and other means of domination attempted: sanctions and lies and subterfuge.

Even with mass media largely in lying hands, you can only go so far with lies when facing a humanity that prefers honesty. And sanctions without the military hammer tend to create indigenous independent responses. And subterfuge works less and less as humanity grows in wary understanding.

So the direction, if the madmen can be restrained from ultimate folly, is towards peace and win/win as opposed to the hitherto dominant war and win/lose. But meanwhile enormous risks are incurred, millions of people are murdered and wounded, and the biosphere is under general assault.

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | May 10, 2018 1:11:49 PM | 59

Addendum to 57--

Also, Syrian media freely reported everything while Zionist media was subjected to military censorship in Palestine's Northern zone as if took heavy fire and substantial damage due to Iron Dome failure--the extent of that failure is what the Zionist regime doesn't want its subjects to learn about.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 10, 2018 1:12:35 PM | 60

I above wrote that Putin told Netanyahoo to stop his nonsense. Some people seem to doubt that.

My source was Putin himself:
Talks with Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu

Beginning of conversation with Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu

President of Russia Vladimir Putin:
Mr Prime Minister, colleagues,

...

Naturally, we will use your visit today to discuss bilateral relations and problems in the region. Unfortunately, the situation is very acute. I would like to express hope that you and I will not only manage to discuss, but also find solutions which will lead to a shift in the situation, and which will also allow us to find ways to resolve heated conflicts.


That is Putin diplomatese for what I expressed. Putin tried to talk sense into Netanyahoo who did not listen and immediately ranted against Iran (which was very rude and disrespectful in that context.).

On the relation of Putin and Netanyahoo an interesting piece (with ich do not fully agree):
Netanyahu and Putin in Moscow: Who Had the Bigger “Victory”?

The German foreign minister Maas, a slimy asshole, blamed Iran for attacking Israel.

The NYT account of the exchange starts off as an Israeli press release

Israeli fighter jets struck dozens of Iranian targets in Syria overnight, Israeli officials said, following soon after what the Israeli military described as an unsuccessful Iranian rocket attack against its forces in the Golan Heights.

The response — which Israeli officials claimed struck a severe blow to Iran’s military capacity in the area — came amid drastically ramped up tensions in the Middle East


Only in paragraph 20 of 24 does it acknowledge that Israel hit first:
The barrage came after an apparent Israeli missile strike against a village in the Syrian Golan Heights late Wednesday.

Posted by: b | May 10, 2018 1:13:50 PM | 61

Patience Grasshoppers. Nutty Bibi and Trumpette may dance at the ball.

I read at another website that Nutty Bibi's mission to Moscow was a failure. He was told to stop the provocations.
Putin is biding his time awaiting confirmation of his cabinet and the FIFA event.

IMHO, and on my Wish List, Syria will have possession of the S400 umbrella.

Trump made a huge mistake. Did it for his Khazarian masters and for the children. In the foreground son-in-law is all smiles. But isolation of U.S.A and Israel cometh. ALL trust is now vanquished..

Keep an eye on the EU.

Here is Merkel today disembarking the U.S. and NATO train. Mark the date. Thursday, May 10, 2018. Question what was she told at the Donald's meeting?

LINK


Merkel: Europe Can No Longer Rely on US 'to Protect It'

As European countries failed to prevent Donald Trump from pulling Washington out of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), the tension between Iran and the US escalates.

"It is no longer such that the United States simply protects us, but Europe must take its destiny in its own hands, that's the task of the future," Chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday after US President Donald Trump announced his withdrawal from the Iranian nuclear deal."

"Europe must take its destiny in its own hands"

Yes, this is Huge. Hope Germany will not experience a certain colour revolution.


Posted by: Likklemore | May 10, 2018 1:18:19 PM | 62

I don't know when Syria last attacked the Golan but they did last night. Is this significant?

Posted by: JohninMK | May 10, 2018 1:20:28 PM | 63

I haven't heard yet whether last night's strike was successful or not (discounting of course Israeli claims, especially Liebermann's). There was a control point on the road outside Deraa that was hit, according to a map in the Guardian this morning. Oh yeah really impressive. A handful of men and a stove for making tea.

I'd read somewhere a couple of months ago that the numbers of Iranians in Syria had gone down a lot, and they'd gone home because not needed any more. So, are the Israelis really hitting empty barracks? Or is the real target the Syrians who replaced them in those barracks?

That is what b's mention of tank movements would suggest. I find it difficult to believe in an Israeli invasion, though. The Hauran is a flat wide-open land. An invading army would have open flanks, open to any terrorist group to infiltrate, and I'm sure that the Israelis aren't certain that the Jihadis they support won't turn round and shoot them in the back. The Israelis would do much better to stay where they are, in well-defended lines on a short front.

Still, Israeli folly may be even greater than one could rationally predict. We'll just have to see what their hubris will lead them to.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 10, 2018 1:26:07 PM | 64

Well reasoned thread about Syrian AA Defenses and the S-300 issue--logic meets emotion. IMO, SAAaD has performed very well given its limitations. Why else do the Zionists refuse to fly into Syrian airspace and launch their missiles from outside.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 10, 2018 1:26:21 PM | 65

[Posted by: Lozion | May 10, 2018 11:56:49 AM |
I wholeheartedly agree. Sometimes I wonder whether it's a "western", an American or a "Christian" Zionist's illness to wish upon mass murder and destruction...]

The illness is Americn, who has attacked 51 countries since WW2 & has brought more death & destruction to millions of innocent people.

Many American authors have published book about US war-like policies. Jimmy Carter once said the US is the most aggressive country in the world. After 9/11 added "What a difference these few months of extremism have made. The United States has alienated its allies, dismayed its friends, and inadvertently gratified its enemies by proclaiming a confused and disturbing strategy of preemptive war".

Posted by: TerryW | May 10, 2018 1:29:27 PM | 66

The US and Israel keep pushing and thereby creating more and stronger enemies.
If they keep it up they will be seriously burnt.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | May 10, 2018 1:29:55 PM | 67

Posted by: JohninMK | May 10, 2018 1:20:28 PM | 63

I don't know when Syria last attacked the Golan but they did last night.
Did they now? Have you got any evidence, apart from Israeli claims? You need to do better than that on MoA.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 10, 2018 1:30:48 PM | 68

I can't blame Putin and Russia for seeking to negotiate a peace but that approach will never work on Netanyahu or the neocons without a credible and demonstrated threat of force. Netanyahu is particularly dangerous because he expects to use the FUKUS militaries to do his dirty work. In other words, he does not see any threat to Israel itself - no consequences = big problem.

I like to mock Russia for failing to deliver the S-300 but it is a complicated issue as it is a game changer that will put boundaries on Israeli (and FUKUS) aggression. Again, the Israel military is close to being impotent sans complete air supremacy. This is unacceptable to them (a supreme national security threat in their eyes) and they will strike out at Russia using FUKUS control of the global economy and jews within Russia itself. Thing is they are doing that anyway and in the end Russia is only selling air defenses to its enemies which undermines the efficacy of its air defenses, alienates other clients and really creates a threat to Russia itself and its sales of military hardware. Oh and it sends a message that Russia can't be trusted. Iran could become very successful in its sale of military hardware if it chooses thanks to Russia.

I think we've passed the rubicon now. Israel is blatantly and massively attacking the SAA and Russians to help Jihadists and undo everything Russia has done. Its time to put teach NetanNazi a lesson.

Posted by: alaric | May 10, 2018 1:35:11 PM | 69

JohninMK @63--

Syria counterattacked against the aggression of Zionist forces and their terrorist proxies in and adjacent to Golan for the first time in 45 years--since the 1973 War.

b @61--

I'd be interested to know what aspect of Garrie's essay you disagreed with.

Laguerre @64--

The forward positioning of tanks in Golan by IDF was reported several days ago but without reports of other equipment required for an offensive, which begged the question why. The answer was simple--tanks work better as artillery for engagements like last night's as they're not as fragile as SPA plus they used their machine guns as suppressing fire. Several were reportedly hit by Syrian ATMs. Reports say they've withdrawn to safer positions.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 10, 2018 1:45:15 PM | 70

I was surprised when Trump suddenly moved up the announcement, but agree with other commenters that it became part of a coordinated campaign that may well have been timed to Netanyahoo's visit to Moscow. Certainly the well-publicized claims over the weekend that Iran planned to attack Israel from Syria, followed by the uncorroborated reports by Israel that exactly that had happened, seems part of a broader public relations campaign. The headlines across the western press are fairly uniform in highlighting "Iran" and "missile", cementing at least subconsciously this concept. Two months ago, during the much hyped concern that Israel was on the verge of attacking Lebanon, Israeli defence officials were conceding that they could not fight or win a war against Iran without the full assistance of the USA. This sudden rush of hostility could well feature the hand of those seeking to provide a pretext to exactly a much greater involvement - a USA-led regime change war against Iran. The armchair war strategists who decry "weakness" and advocate much greater retaliatory activity against Israel are not understanding the larger context.

The Guardian today features a Syrian rebel spokesman who advocates efforts for regime change in both Syria and Iran, sees the Trump Iran announcement as fully part of that effort, and for that matter claims that the alleged chemical nerve gases allegedly used in Douma were provided by Iran. WMD accusations must still be gaining high marks in focus groups and marketing research.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/10/syrian-opposition-praises-donald-trumps-iran-nuclear-deal-exit

Posted by: jayc | May 10, 2018 1:53:40 PM | 71

To those recommending Syria and Iran strike back NOW... learn about rope-a-dope:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope

I was in my early 20's when Ali beat Foreman with this technique...

And exactly what major harm did Israel do to Syria (or Iran for that matter) in this latest false-flag? If anything, combined with Nuttyyahoo's latest performance at the UN and Trumpty Dumbdy leaving the nuke agreement proving the US is "agreement incapable", their standing world wide is diminishing fast. So Nutty lashes out in ineffective desperation. FUKUS won't be lobbing more Tomahawks/etc., not spending another $100+MILLION to get a domestic public relations and military black-eye.

Syria alone does not YET have the resources/battlefield position to retaliate in kind against Israel directly, even when Israel repeatedly violates all UN rules forbidding unprovoked attacks against another UN member country. Russia and Iran will continue to support Syria in eradicating the Rothschild/FUKUS/Zionist/Wahabbist terrorists inside Syria. Then the US presence in eastern Syria will be dealt with, in the same incremental fashion. Israel is trying to upset the obvious success of Syria/Russia/Iran, and draw Syrian resources from these objectives. That is why Nuttyyahoo is trying to switch the channel from Syria regime-change to Iran's mythical "nukes" and related Iranian/Hezbolla forces in Syria. Nutty can't get too much more aggressive inside Syria than he has, as even the UN/US support for such idiocy has limits... which we haven't seen yet, but as the Rothschild-backed Zionist/Wahabbist agenda to divide the Middle East between them (think Sykes-Picot Part Deux) becomes more obvious to the public, the less likely it becomes.

If the UN won't curb the Rothschild/Zionists/Wahabbists, perhaps the US citizenry will finally demand Israel/Saud stand on their own and force the Zionist US Congress and Executive to stop pouring tax$$BILLIONS down the Greater Israel/Yinon Plan rat-hole. A couple plane-loads of US soldiers/pilots coming home in body bags should do the trick. No way the US will directly lock horns with Russia in Syria, knowing China is standing behind Russia as well.

Putin is not publicly slamming Israel, as a large % of the Israeli settler population has their genealogical roots in Russia and Eastern Europe... he is wisely letting Nuttyyahoo ineffectively grandstand for all the world to see.

It is impossible to turn back the clock to put Israel back to the original borders, but it IS possible to prevent any further expansion or balkanization of the region. And unless Nuttyyahoo and his Zionist pals want to be surrounded by nuclear wasteland, their nukes are useless as a military option against Syria, or even Iran... it would be a tough sell to get more settlers to inhabit Greater Israel if it is radioactive. Gee, maybe the Ukraine could deed the area around Chernobyl to the Zionists so they could test how well they'd survive a radioactive environment.


Posted by: A P | May 10, 2018 1:58:06 PM | 72

karlof1 @57
Thanks for unfuddling the previously befuddled.

Posted by: spudski | May 10, 2018 2:07:29 PM | 73

@s: GDP as it is now used is a bankster-scam, for example zero-real-worth rentier financial system "gains" are considered part of it. Ditto for the US military/spy complex, it should not be part of the GDP. Real GDP is when something is created that does not destroy something else. For war purposes, think World GDP... how much more than the US' gargantuan war-budget as been destroyed world-wide so US/NATO war manufacturers can profit?

It's an old concept, beating swords into plowshares. The US military combine could just as easily be turned to building all the obviously needed domestic infrastructure. Build/furnish/equip hospitals and schools instead of war material, which is then used to destroy the domestic infrastructure of other countries.

Posted by: A P | May 10, 2018 2:10:48 PM | 74

@ Likklemore 62
Merkel: Europe Can No Longer Rely on US 'to Protect It' . .Yes, this is Huge.
Nothing new.
May 28, 2017 - Europe can no longer "completely depend" on the US and UK following the election of President Trump and Brexit, German Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 10, 2018 2:13:40 PM | 75

@69 Alaric & others, please see here for a well thought-out thread on the subject of those famous S-300 systems. Essentially, their deployment is subject to and final step to a complete rehaul of AD assets.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/994608229907869700.html

Posted by: Lozion | May 10, 2018 2:17:10 PM | 76

@LXV #49:

It's decades of brainwashing by mass media. To wit: "There is no conflict that cannot be resolved by shooting dead your opposition." The villian du jour is psycho, cannot be corrected, and must be destroyed. Thus...pulp fiction foreign policy.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 10, 2018 2:19:23 PM | 77

Here is Laura Loomer reporting from "the exact location where Iranian-Syria forces fired 22 missiles into Israeli outposts last night." Funny, there's no sign of it at the "exact location."
Loomer, an American Jew in Israel & Golan, seems to have an imagination. But she doesn't have any more time at the "war scene" she's off to Jerusalem for the festivities illustrated here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 10, 2018 2:24:37 PM | 78

Test

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 10, 2018 2:26:20 PM | 79

Not agree with your conclusions on this one B.
Netanyahou would not have crashed the victory day ceremonies in Moscow unless he had some level of confidence that Putin would listen and go along. He had volumes of intelligence data and details on Iranian missile sites, radars and worrisome weapons that worried the generals in Israel. The deal, let us take those out, we will limit any engagement with Syrians, as long as they stand down and we believe it will deter Iran from pursuing the path of building a strong presence in Syria, which if they succeed would force Israel to go in full force and destroy what's left of Syria. No one wants that.
Putin would have insisted on one thing, do it quick, limit any Syrian damage and don't come back for more. If you do, the s300 will be in Syria in days. as you can see, no significant casualties, if any, Iran was warned to stand down too.
Let's face it, Putin doesn't want to be dragged in any more than he already is. He also doesn't want a Israel vs. Iran war on Syrian soil.

Posted by: Brad allen | May 10, 2018 2:29:20 PM | 80

@75 don

I agree with you, Don. What does Merkel mean when she says that "Europe can no longer depend on protection from the US." What the hell do they need protection from, anyway? I guess maybe they need to pick up the amount of operations that they conduct in Afghanistan to keep the terrorists at bay. Same Orwellian speak that gives creedence to the thought that there are many a sinister mercenary force in lieu of our boys flying overseas to do the globalist dirty-work. Maybe she believes and is fearful of the budding bromance of Putin/Trump?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 10, 2018 2:33:14 PM | 81

b @61,

The end of theTimes story has forgotten its beginning!

Posted by: WJ | May 10, 2018 2:37:09 PM | 82

There was no warning or condemnation from Putin, in fact he wouldnt have made him a guest at all at the parade nor meeting him in Russia to spread the warmongering propaganda against Iran, Syria.

Quite frankly though Putin doesnt care what happens in Syria unless ISIS fighters are killed which seems very weird. If he cared about Assad rule, we would see a completely different approach and defensive measures against states like israel, US etc.

Posted by: Anon | May 10, 2018 2:43:08 PM | 83

72 - "If the UN won't curb the Rothschild/Zionists/Wahabbists, perhaps the US citizenry will finally demand Israel/Saud stand on their own and force the Zionist US Congress and Executive to stop pouring tax$$BILLIONS down the Greater Israel/Yinon Plan rat-hole."

Israel has for some time been a defacto third rail of American politics. I forget the old one. Was it higher taxes or Social Security?

Posted by: Bart Hansen | May 10, 2018 2:44:49 PM | 84

Going by the Israeli videos of incoming MLRS, unchecked by the Israeli propaganda dome, onto IDF positions, Syria may have got the best of this limited exchange.

Mercouris has an article up on the new sanctions on Iran than Trump announced at about the same time as the Israeli attack. http://theduran.com/war-iran-logic-trump-regime-change-policy/
As Mercouris points out, Trump has made demands of Iran that simply cannot be complied with, similar to Iraq having to prove it does not have weapons of mass destruction.
Mercouris's take is US will go to war with Iran.

Pepe Escobar believes US will not initiate war with Iran due to its affect on world economy. http://www.atimes.com/article/the-art-of-breaking-a-deal/

China's economy is the main threat the US faces. It is the carrot the euro donkeys will eventually follow. China relies on oil imports and oil from the middle east.
Trump's US is strategically self sufficient in oil, especially if oil prices skyrocket.
US also needs a way to dump its debt.
When Trump sacked Tillerson, replaced him with Pompeo and appointed Bolton, he said he had the perfect team. This team do seem crazy enough to start a war with the intention of shutting down middle east oil.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | May 10, 2018 2:46:20 PM | 85

Okay, so yesterday Putin parades around with Nutyahoo and today Israel sends a barrage of strikes against Syrian and Iranian targets. AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

The psy-opTIKS alone are crappy and demoralizing; never mind the fact that Israelis rained down this much artillery a day later blaming Iran/Iran/Iran!

Putin/Shmuckin

Posted by: Circe | May 10, 2018 2:49:44 PM | 86

From TRNN:

https://therealnews.com/stories/as-trump-takes-aim-israel-hits-iran-in-syria

Posted by: ben | May 10, 2018 2:51:33 PM | 87

Russia the paper tiger?

Watch as Israel takes out Pantsir S-1 air defence system in Syria

https://southfront.org/video-israeli-missile-destroys-syrias-pantsir-s1-air-defense-system/

Posted by: Observer | May 10, 2018 2:56:06 PM | 88

@v Circe 86
Why should Putin restrain Israel when it acts against offensive Iran missiles next door in Syria, which Israel has labeled (correctly, I think) a "red line?" And how would Putin restrain Israel if it chose to do so?

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 10, 2018 3:01:32 PM | 89

@59 RS

Well said... so does this mean we might soon be able to rewrite Warburg's comment?

"We shall have world peace, whether or not we like it. The only question is if world peace will be achieved through conquest or consent."

Posted by: xLemming | May 10, 2018 3:04:24 PM | 90

Semi-OT: Trump broke domestic and international law withdrawing from JCPOA A taster:

"… except that the treaty in question is not the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. It’s the United Nations Charter, delivered to the US Senate by President Harry Truman and duly ratified by that body on July 28, 1945 by a vote of 89-2."

I agree 100% with Knapp, the author.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 10, 2018 3:06:58 PM | 91

@90

which Israel has labeled (correctly, I think) a "red line?"

Tell us what you really think Zionist sympathizer. Since when has Israel respected anyone else's red lines???

Posted by: Circe | May 10, 2018 3:11:16 PM | 92

Don Bacon @90--

Did you read the Adam Garrie article both b and I linked to? If so, what're your thoughts?

Posted by: karlof1 | May 10, 2018 3:11:29 PM | 93

@ Don Bacon 75

This. Time. Is. Different.
Withdrawal from the Iran deal makes it so.
Allies-(the 3 key NATO members) pleaded openly and were rebuffed.
And sanctions on steel and aluminum, speeds up bypassing the USD in international trade.
OBOR is very inviting.

Oh, any new sanctions on Iran will be ignored. Airbus, pick up the phone for call on line 1.

Posted by: Likklemore | May 10, 2018 3:15:17 PM | 94

Well, I read it again because both b and karlof1 posted it, but I just can't agree with Adam Garrie's take on the relationship between Russia and Israel.

I watched the Victory Parade carefully, and studied all the sources materials, and it's very clear that Netanyahu was no kind of honored guest. Mercouris mis-read the source materials from RF and Israel, and Garrie has followed down the same hole, from the same error.

At a time when "messages" abound from multiple sources, the thought that Russia is sending any kind of message by the fact of Netanyahu's self-contrived appearance at the May 9 commemoration, is empty.

Posted by: Grieved | May 10, 2018 3:16:43 PM | 95

you know how in some (usually 80s) movies there will be a scene where an obnoxious frat boy rich on daddy's money starts a fight with a woman or a shrimpy guy and they turn around and kick his ass? and he usually says something like "the sun was in my eyes! you just got lucky!" or etc.? that's israel. they're biff from back to the future if he was a colony.

as usual, if the air force can't do a decent job they realize action on the ground is the next step. and since they're a joke when they can't shoot women and kids from a mile in the air (source: 2006 again) they talk tough like a little bitch and slither away to find more scientists to kill or whatever makes their black empty hearts feel better.

also: "Syria, Lebanon, and Iran could live with that. A 100 years ago Israel did not exist."

that's just effing beautiful. poetic almost. (although the balfour declaration was technically 100 years ago.)


i should mention that putin's invitation of bibi was repulsive, however. not sure what the hell he was thinking...i've heard and read extensively about the links between the countries and all but this was just beyond reasoning. unless he was doing it to show bibi "hey, here's what a real military that can win wars looks like" in some kind of "nice middle east you got...shame if something happened to it" gesture. even then it seems odd and gross. the proximity to his selection of medvedev didn't help.

Posted by: the pair | May 10, 2018 3:18:31 PM | 96

@Brad allen details on Iranian missile sites, radars and worrisome weapons

These things do not exist in Syria.

Posted by: b | May 10, 2018 3:20:05 PM | 97

Circe 93

LOL! Didnt see that coming from him, but it tells us how propaganda easily fools people today.
Some people fell in love with Putin it seems and are unable to get out of that pathetic stance now.
Now it is suddenly Iran's fault for helping Syria defending itself against an aggressor and occupation-regime.
THEY are too be blamed, not Russia that invite, cuddle with the same warcriminal.

Posted by: Anon | May 10, 2018 3:31:05 PM | 98

>Mercouris's take is US will go to war with Iran.

I am no military expert but I don't see how anyone can believe it is possible for the US Regime to go to war with Iran.

It reminds me of the 1970s and 80s where the derogatory 'Made in Japan' phrase was still widely used to denigrate Japanese products despite the reality that its products had long since moved beyond the post-WWII cheap knock off phase and were well on their way to parity and in many cases superiority to US products.

We have been hearing claims about Russian air defense and electronic warfare capabilities for years now. These latest failed attack on Syria by the US and Israeli Regimes show that those claims were based in reality.

The days of the US or Israeli Regimes flying at will over foreign countries leisurely taking out air defenses and then bombing at will or lobbing cruise missiles without consequences are definitely over. All the claims about secret behind the scenes fake missile attacks coordinated with Russia are obvious inane and baseless.

The failed Israeli Regime attack on Syria last night is an unquestioned start of a new era in the Middle East.

Even with the Israeli Regime hiding their losses we know:

* Israeli Regime aircraft dared not enter Syria airspace
* The damage to Syria was minimal
* Syria's air defense network is working amazingly well even without the mythical S-300
* Syrian missiles rained down upon the Israeli Regime forces and locations in occupied Syria

No matter what a spineless clown Trump has turned out to be in letting the US Presidency be handed over to the Israeli and Saudi Regimes, there is no chance he will put himself into a position where he is responsible for ten dollar gas prices and the first US carrier to be sunk.

Posted by: Preston | May 10, 2018 3:33:30 PM | 99

@ karlof1 92
Trump broke domestic and international law withdrawing from JCPOA
Resolution 2231 (2015)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 7488th meeting, on 20 July 2015
....
1. Endorses the JCPOA, and urges its full implementation on the timetable established in the JCPOA
2. Calls upon all Members States, regional organizations and international organizations to take such actions as may be appropriate to support the implementation of the JCPOA

Comment: The UNSC endorsed a plan and urged its full implementation. Subsequently the U.S. withdrew from implementing the plan. The UNSC in no way mandated participation. So how does Trump's action violate any law?

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 10, 2018 3:35:48 PM | 100

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