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May 29, 2018

Syria - Israel Falsely Claims Iran Pull-Back Deal With Russia - Again

Israel loves to pretend that it is an important country which can move other governments to do its bidding.

During last fall, when Russia, Jordan and the U.S. negotiated about a de-escalation zone in southwest Syria, Israel demanded to exclude Iranian troops  and militia supported by Iran from a 40 or even 60 kilometer zone from the occupied Golan heights. Later Israel media announced success: Russia agrees to keep Iran, Hezbollah forces away from Israeli border wrote JPost in October.

But such an agreement was only rumored by Israel. It was never made. Israel had demanded an exclusion zone but neither Syria nor Iran accepted that. The Russian/U.S./Jordan agreement was not published but it obviously included no such clause. In November 2017 Hizbullah successfully fought Syrian "rebels" in the Beit Jinn pocket, a stone throw from the Golan Heights. Iranian advisers have regularly visited and advised Iranian paid pro-government militia, marked green on the map, near the Golan line.


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Now Israel tries the same trick again. It sets expectations and announces agreements where none exist.

The teaser came yesterday when Haaretz headlined: Russia Considers Pulling Back Iranian Forces From Israel-Syria Border

Russia fears Israel's strikes in Syria will undermine Assad's rule. Israel believes Moscow may agree to move the Iranians 60 kilometers away from the Israeli border

Israeli political and military leaders believe Russia is willing to discuss a significant distancing of Iranian forces and allied Shi’ite militias from the Israel-Syria border, Israeli officials say.

The change in Russia’s position has become clearer since Israel’s May 10 military clash with Iran in Syria and amid Moscow’s concerns that further Israeli moves would threaten the stability of Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime.

Russia recently renewed efforts to try to get the United States involved in agreements that would stabilize Syria. The Russians might be willing to remove the Iranians from the Israeli border, though not necessarily remove the forces linked to them from the whole country.
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Israel's Channel 2 followed up by announcing success: Israel, Russia agree to keep Iran and Hezbollah from border

After months of diplomacy between Jerusalem and Moscow, the two sides reached an understanding that Iran should be kept away from Israel's northern border with Syria, Channel 2 News reported on Monday evening.

According to the report, Israel and Russia agreed the Syrian army will be allowed to re-take control of southern Syria up to the border with Israel. Iran and Hezbollah, though, will not be permitted to take part in the takeover.

This is again nonsense for at least two reasons.

1. Russia has no way to keep Iran out of Syria or to tell Iranian advisors and militia where to go or not to go. The Syrian government will not do away with its best ally, Iran, which came to its help before Russia came in and will continue to help while Russia lowers its presence in the conflict. Were Russia to play "either-or" hardball with the Syrian government the decision would likely be against Russia and for Iran.

2. Iran already announced that it will not take part in the upcoming Daraa operation in southwest Syria.

Damascus, May 23, IRNA – Iranian Ambassador to Jordan Mojtaba Ferdowsi-pour said on Wednesday that Iran has no role in military operations in southern Syria and has no presence in the area.

Iran is concentrating the other militia it supports in east Syria for the continuing fight against ISIS and the U.S. occupation forces. (Hezbullah will stay where it is.)

The Iranian announcement was ignored by other media.

The shrewd Russian foreign minister Lavrov used the Iranian decision to offer a deal to the U.S.:

Russia said on Monday only Syrian army troops should be on the country's southern border with Jordan and Israel, ..
...
"Of course, the withdrawal of all non-Syrian forces must be carried out on a mutual basis, this should be a two-way street," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a news conference in on Monday.

The U.S. is holding the border station of al-Tanf at the border triangle of Syria, Jordan and Iraq. In the same news conference Lavrov accused the U.S. of hiding ISIS forces in a nearby refugee camp. When Lavrov says "the withdrawal of all non-Syrian forces must be carried out on a mutual basis" he is offering the (already announced) Iranian pull-back from southwest Syria in exchange for a U.S. pull-out from al-Tanf in the southeast.

The Israeli defense minister Liberman was asked to come to Moscow on Thursday for talks with the Russian defense minister Shoigu. The Russians will likely reinforce earlier warnings against Israeli overreach in Syria. They will also press Israel to pull its strings in Washington in favor of the "mutual bases" deal.

Posted by b on May 29, 2018 at 05:48 AM | Permalink

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US/Israel have lately been using Iran as the argument for being in/attacking Syria.
Both Russia and Iran are in Syria to help regain Syrian territory from jihadists and their sponsors. In the southern border area with US/Israel using Iran as an excuse for backing the Jihadists, it makes sense for Iran to concentrate on other areas and Syria/Russia work on the southern border area.
This area will go the same pattern as the other enclaves. Russia working the geo-politics to remove or shut down the jihadist sponsors, reconciliation deals, and when the geo-political scene is right, a short sharp military operation to clean up what is left.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | May 29, 2018 6:25:37 AM | 1

LOL, the Shia Militia whether Iranians, Iraqis or from other countries have already melted away with the Syrian Militia.

To me, they all look alike if you catch my drift!

Posted by: Syrian | May 29, 2018 7:22:02 AM | 2

Israel obviously thinks that because it has some historical and cultural links in common with Russia, its opinion and point of view should carry a lot of weight with Moscow.

For its part, Moscow may find that allowing Israel to babble to itself about how much influence it believes it carries might be to the Russian advantage. The louder Israel talks to Russia, the more insight Russia has into Israel's deluded state.

Posted by: Jen | May 29, 2018 7:29:08 AM | 3

Even the Hezbollah have melted away. There was a Uuge (Huge) demand for Syrian Military Uniform.

Kudos to Assad!

Posted by: Syrian | May 29, 2018 7:29:21 AM | 4

thanks b... israel is amazing with propaganda.. hopefully they don't get sucked into believing the bs they regularly offer up..
"It sets expectations and announces agreements where none exist."

i love lavrov's ability to speak clearly and on target.. ..."the withdrawal of all non-Syrian forces must be carried out on a mutual basis, this should be a two-way street," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a news conference in on Monday."

how is that for speaking straight into the truth of the matter? usa/ksa/israel etc are happy to set up shop and support their 'moderate headchopper cult - isis / al qaeda / fsa / whatever, but want to tell syria to get rid of iran, lol... this is comedic!

lavrov is a brilliant diplomat!

Posted by: james | May 29, 2018 1:24:18 PM | 5

Russia has been behaving like it is allied to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey and like it longs for alliance with the US. Basically this means that Russia is now seeking vassalage and has turned on its former allies, Syria and Iran. Russia is on the road to irrelevance.

It's horrible. Russia COULD have been a real balancing force, and the world needed that. But Russia chose to sign on to the hegemonic project. Now it will be very easy for the Hegemon to pick off any countries that resist it.

As regards the current situation, is Israel lying? Probably so. They always lie. So do the Russians, the Iranians, the US, etc.. In any case, Iran seems to be picking up and leaving and that seems to be pretty much on orders from Israel. Russia has not only given Israel carte blanche to commit immoral and illegal acts of war over and over and over in Syria, targeting Iran, but Russia seems to be helping Israel put pressure on Iran.

Syria meanwhile has gotten the message: Russia is running the show. Well, insofar as a vassal can 'run the show'. I think Syria's recognition of the ex-Georgian republics -- very ill timed from Syria's point of view, with what will amount to partition looming in Syria -- shows that Assad gets the new reality. Putin calls the shots in Syria, for you at least, Assad.

It's long past time for pretzeling Putin-apologists to stop defending the man. He's throwing the future of humanity into the talons of the Hegemon for the sake of a few sweet oil deals (starting with the Golan of course), it seems.

Posted by: paul | May 29, 2018 1:42:25 PM | 6

By pulling out of JCOPA and upping sanctions the US handed Russia Irans balls. Iran desperatly needs economic cooperation with the big eastern countries. That is now Moscows leverage. But having said that Israel is an existential threat for Iran so that leverage will only go so far.

Posted by: BraveNewWorld | May 29, 2018 1:56:42 PM | 7

I see there is a few of us "out over our skis," today...

Posted by: kgw | May 29, 2018 3:11:01 PM | 8

Another attempt by Israel to take credit for a decision Iran had already made.

Report: Israel, Iran engage in indirect negotiations over Syria fighting
The report said a Jordanian mediator carried messages between the sides.


Israel and Iran engaged over the weekend in indirect negotiations in Jordan regarding fighting in southwestern Syria, according to Elaph, a Saudi-owned website.

Elaph reported that the Iranians pledged not to participate in expected battles in southwestern Syria between President Bashar Assad’s forces and rebel groups, and Israel has made it clear that it will not intervene in the battles in the tri-border area, as long as Hezbollah and the Iranian-backed Shi’ite militias are not involved.

The unconfirmed report said the negotiations were conducted last weekend between Iran’s ambassador to Jordan, who was in one hotel room in Amman with Iranian security personnel, while in the next room there were senior Israeli security officials, including the deputy head of the Mossad. The report said a Jordanian mediator carried messages between the sides.

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Iran’s ambassador to Jordan, Dr. Mostafa Moslehzadeh, reportedly received instructions from senior officials to conduct the negotiations with Israel in Amman.


The Saudi Elaph is often used to "wash" Israeli disinformation.

They got the name of Iran's ambassador in Jordan wrong. Dr. Mostafa Moslehzadeh one was an ambassador to Jordan - years ago. An interview with the current one, Mojtaba Ferdowsi-pour, is linked above in my piece.

He announced that Iran would not take part in fights in Syria's southwest on Wednesday, May 23. Now Elaph (Israel) claims that the talks that led to that result were held over the weekend, May 26, 27.

Doesn't fit well ...

Posted by: b | May 29, 2018 3:42:13 PM | 9

There is a fundamental logic to follow.

Russia needs Assad and a complete and whole Syria for its basing in Latakia and Tartus to be secure.
Russia and China need a secure and stable Syria for the reconstruction and exploitation deals to move forward. No one is going to risk billions while huge chunks of Syria are held by alien or resistant or rebellious or terrorist forces.

From those two pillars of thinking, Russia will force the issues with all the others, Israel, Iran, Turkey, the US, the Arab bankrolling states.

Russia will use diplomacy to force the issue. However, the diplomacy is backed by Kalibr missiles and Aerospace bombing. And all the others know Russia will apply those weapons if fighting is what the answer is to diplomacy. None of the others can win if force is the only avenue left to the needs the Russians have for a stable, whole Syria. Russia has proven its strategic use of its weapons changed the war and swiftly empowered Syrian Army for its massive success.

There is a logic among all the variables. It seems to me to be what will occur.

Posted by: Red Ryder | May 29, 2018 4:41:56 PM | 10

Putin's trying to avoid any hostilities in the area that'll generate bad press before the World cup. The Israelis know this and are taking advantage of this.

Events in the area(Southern Syria) will be fun after the world ;)

Posted by: Zico | May 29, 2018 5:20:48 PM | 11

Red Ryder @10.

It’s nice to see someone else demonstrate logic. B is impressive but most others are prone to making illogical concludions

Posted by: Alaric | May 29, 2018 5:57:58 PM | 12

im waiting for the 2018 world cup to finnish,, V.P dont want any bad press b4 that,. im more afraid off a ukranian terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge or uner the wc..

Posted by: Per/Norway | May 29, 2018 6:33:35 PM | 13

@10 Red Ryder

Completely agree. But Iran doesn't need any persuading. Iran needs Syria whole even more than Russia does.

Posted by: Grieved | May 29, 2018 7:39:17 PM | 14

@ Red Ryder and Grieved with who needs Syria whole

If having a whole Syria includes the Golan Heights then there needs to be more friends that are enemies of my enemy type of agreements.

And I think the world is getting there.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 29, 2018 8:09:26 PM | 15

psychohistorian 15

Moves to retake Golan will become much more difficult if US recognizes it as Israeli territory. From my understanding, it will become US law to defend occupied Golan for Israel. I noticed on Russian MoD maps of Syria, there was no line marked between occupied Golan and the rest of Syria. Perhaps that is what the move in the US to recognize Golan as Israel territory is about.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | May 29, 2018 8:32:56 PM | 16

Remember how the Iraq invasion was supposed to result in a pro-Israeli govt in Baghdad and the toppling of the Iranian regime? Now Iran has troops on the border of Israel. Great job, Neocons! "Faster Please" indeed! lol

Posted by: Cyrus | May 29, 2018 9:06:43 PM | 17

https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2018/05/282815.htm

from the link above..-

QUESTION: Hi. On Friday, you warned Russia and the Syrian regime about moving into the southern de-escalation zone in Syria. Do you still have concerns about that, or do they seem to have taken your warning into account?

MS NAUERT: Yeah. First, let me just say this remains a tremendous concern of the United States Government. How many times have you heard me standing at this podium talking about the success of the de-escalation zone, what we often refer to as the ceasefire zone, the one in southwestern Syria. This has been successful; for the most part, the ceasefire has held since July of last year. This is the most crowded population area that has been the safest in all of Syria. Again, I’m saying a populated area.

The notion that anyone would attack or threaten to attack is tremendously concerning to the United States Government. This is an issue that we have raised with the Russians through our Amman monitoring channel. Those conversations are ongoing. I know we’re continuing to talk with the governments.

But this area has helped keep this section of Syria stable. It has also undoubtedly saved lives. We have been able to get humanitarian aid in that area. And so the idea that any country would threaten that stability is very shameful and is of great concern to the United States.

Let me also just mention that Russia, in agreeing to this ceasefire zone, has agreed to help bolster it and protect it and all of that. So that’s something that we continue to remind the Russian Government of their responsibility as a unique guarantor of the ceasefire zone and having a very special relationship, indeed, with Government of Syria.

Posted by: james | May 29, 2018 9:18:59 PM | 18

It's hard to tell what's going on. From outward appearances it seems Russia has changed course. All the warnings, all the aggressive talk has ceased. Russia has requested Iran exit Syria,,, Russia is working with the US and Israel. All this took place when the US fired missiles into Syria for the fake gassing,,, and even that discussion has disappeared from the media. President Putin apparently has given Israel permission to attack Syria. The failure of going through with the S-300 sale will allow the attacks on Syria to continue. Russia is reducing it's presence in Syria and IMO may leave altogether.

IMO that is not the way to handle bullies and Russia will likely have to deal with the US funded terrorists on their own soil because of it. President Putin is a shrewd man. Maybe he has a plan. I hope so for the Russian People's sake. It's always the People that suffer, isn't it.

Posted by: Ken | May 29, 2018 10:20:02 PM | 19

@19 Ken

Thank you for your "concern".

You need not worry. It is not hard to tell what's going on. Everything is known, and very clear. B's entire article exists to show that the concept of Iran's being requested to leave Syria is a lie, put out by Israel and its trolls. You have only to read b's article above, and all your fears will be answered.

Let me offer some truth to counteract your concerns. Russia has not "changed course" despite the "outward appearances". One can be too far "outward" to understand the true force of reality.

Israel, indeed, is equally that far "outward" and alienated from the true reality. The true reality carries guns and liberates territory from the occupation of mercenaries and fanatics who, in the ultimate contest, fail, because they cannot match the authentic purpose of local people fighting for their real ancestral homeland.

Calm your mind. If you love Syria, be at peace because she is winning in countless ways. The people of Syria are no longer suffering. Their redemption has come. Be glad.

Israel is the one that suffers. It is caught in hell, which it has willfully created for itself. Even this self-created hell, the honest people of the Levant would relieve Israel of, if she would become human enough to listen to the reasoning of peace. But so far, there is no generosity of good hearts that has proved large enough to satisfy the grasping of Israel's fear. Let us pray that Israel will see the light.

The People do not suffer, any longer. Nor should you. Be glad that Syria has won the long fight, and be awed that Israel has lost everything through its wrong actions, even the compassion of God.

Posted by: Grieved | May 30, 2018 12:35:03 AM | 20

@19 "All the warnings, all the aggressive talk has ceased."

The Russians have always been very careful not to "talk aggressively" to any of the coalition forces.
The only time the Russians displayed any anger is when the Turks shot down a RuAF jet, and that caused the Turks to go very, very quiet.

"Russia has requested Iran exit Syria"

No, there is no credible evidence that they have put that "request" to the Iranians, and no evidence - credible or incredible - that they have done so because of Israeli pressure.

"Russia is working with the US and Israel."

No. Russia is TALKING with the USA and with Israel. Because, you know, it pays to keep lines of communication open.

But "talking to" is not at all the same as "working with".

Look, this is very simple: the Russians are doing enough to ensure that Assad wins. But they aren't going in Boots 'n' All because that guarantees that this all spirals out of control and we end up in WW3.

Basically, think of it this way: the Russians are acting as the adults in the room. Everyone else is acting like spoilt brats.

Lots of noise, lots of angry accusations. But at the end of the day the adults will win, but only after the brats have exhausted themselves.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 30, 2018 1:13:09 AM | 21

Re: Posted by: paul | May 29, 2018 1:42:25 PM | 6

I know your point of view. You constantly excited it on these pages, but to anyone with half a brain the calculus of the resistance players is fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Which of these scenarios would Russia prefer.

A) The Assad Government overthrown by USA/Saudi Arabia/UK/Israel/Turkey/France/UAE and friends (including Qatar) and a great big fat Saudi/UAE/Qatar oil & gas pipeline(s) built through Syria and Cyprus/Turkey into Europe;

B) The same oil & gas pipeline(s) built through Syria & Cyprus/Turkey to Europe except run by Iran/Qatar;

C) None of the above.

I'll give you a clue. It's C.

As for Syria - what does a perfectly rational fellow like President Assad want from this situation.

Does Assad want:

A) A Russian security guarantee knowing this will never frighten his neighbour Israel - who are of course allied with Russia; or

B) An Iranian security guarantee backed up by Iranian militias throughout Syria that will constantly needle and provoke Israel. Besides - don't Iran already have the anti-Israeli proxies they need next door with Hezbollah in Lebanon and also Hamas in Gaza? Why yes. Yes they do. Do Iran really need a third overt proxy threatening Israel? Does Assad want to be that third proxy that will inevitably get drawn into any Israeli/Iranian conflict that he can see on the horizon? No - after nearly 8 years of war I really don't think a rational man like Asad wants to get drawn into the middle of even more conflict!

Assad's goals are clearly.

Clear the SW.

Clear the ISIS desert pocket.

Kick the US out of al-Tanf.

Deal with Idlib terrorists.

And then come to an accommodation with the Kurds who will then kick the US out of NE Syria.

And then there's Turkey.

I really can't see the Turks leaving Aleppo/Afrin until they have a new leader. And maybe not even then.

Posted by: Julian | May 30, 2018 4:11:56 AM | 22

Re: Posted by: Per/Norway | May 29, 2018 6:33:35 PM | 13

I've got bad news for anyone thinking Putin is going to "do something" after the World Cup Final in July.

You do know Ukraine has a vital Presidential Election coming up in March 2019 don't you? A mere 9 months after the conclusion of the FIFA World Cup.

I can tell you now Putin would like to see the back of Porky Poroshenko next year and no doubt there will be at least one candidate arguing for a resolution to the Donbass imbroglio who could well perform very well if Putin doesn't escalate tension in any of the conflict theatres.

Including most particularly of course Ukraine.

And then there's Nord Stream II of course.....

Posted by: Julian | May 30, 2018 4:36:23 AM | 23

I think TTG at SST has the right take on the southern border region.
sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/05/possible-diplomatic-breakthrough-in-southwest-syria-ttg

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | May 30, 2018 5:24:12 AM | 24

Hmm, i can be wrong, but i don't see S.Lavrov's words as an offer deal to the U.S. in this variant - "Iran withdraw from Syria\Israel border - the US withdraw from at-Tanf".
I see S.Lavrov's words as this variant: "Iran withdraw from Syria\Israel border - the US forces terorists (aka "rebels") to withdraw from southern de-escalation zone (Daraa area)".

After all, that's what exactly S.Lavrov said:

The journalist's question:

- Please comment the reports of Israeli mass media on Russia may ask Iranian forces to step back from the border with Israel.

S.Lavrov reply:

- Originally the agreement on creating a de-escalation zone at the south-west of Syria intended eventual withdraw of all non-Syrian forces from this part of Syrian Arab Republic. Naturally, the withdraw of all non-Syrian forces must be carried out on a mutual basis, this must be a two-way street.
The result of all this work - which must go on, and, actually, is go on, - must be a situation when it will be the representatives of the Syrian Armed Forces who will stand on the Syria\Israel border from the Syrian side. I confirm that it is this approach that is a basis for an agreement on the southern de-escalation zone.

--

S.Lavrov repeated a phrase "southern de-escalation zone" a few times. Diplomats don't use words in vain.
At-Tanf area is not a part of southern de-escalation zone, at-Tanf is also not correspond to Syria\Israel border.
So i don't think it's about this:

Iranian pull-back from southwest Syria in exchange for a U.S. pull-out from al-Tanf in the southeast

Even if S.Lavrov made a proposal to the US, i think he meant that if Iran (by somehow) will leave an area at the border with Israel, this will intend that anti-Assad forces in southern de-escalation zone must also leave (i.e. this zone must fall under B.Assad control).
This is a "mutual basis" and "two-way street".

Posted by: alaff | May 30, 2018 7:45:42 AM | 25

@20 Grieved

"Israel has lost everything through its wrong actions, even the compassion of God."

Brilliant! And so true...

People claiming to be "God's chosen" behaving for the last 70 years in the most ungodly manner, are not only repugnant to the rest of humanity but to God Himself

And similarly, I have witnessed more "godliness" from the peoples of disparate faiths, unite in support for the beleaguered people of Syria, Palestine, Yemen - though certainly more can be done - there is indeed still some good left in humanity

In the mean-time, as Israel continues to "tilt at windmills", it is its own worst enemy... and as they "dost protest too much", the thin veneer of "rightness" disintegrates to reveal a virtually irredeemable darkness

Thank you to the many optimists & purveyors of hope on this thread - much appreciated


Posted by: xLemming | May 30, 2018 11:05:34 AM | 26

I'll still put my faith in Putin's course of action. It's not time to throw him "under the bus".

Hopefully, everything will lead to a united and stable Syria, which is critical IMO, to a more stable ME.

Much too soon to give up on a multi-polar world that we all should hope for.

Posted by: ben | May 30, 2018 11:52:14 AM | 27

i agree with grieved and yeah, right...

@24 peter.. looks good on paper, but i echo the comment in the comment section "What stops the Israeli from agreeing now and then ignoring the agreement?"

i mostly think israel is going to go along with it.. if they don't it becomes obvious for anyone with 1/2 a brain that israel is supporting isis/al qaeda and etc.. maybe israel really doesn't want that baggage (they've been carrying around for some time? that is what i think...

Posted by: james | May 30, 2018 12:19:54 PM | 28

Thanks to Moon of Alabama and the comments. I was worried about the excessive Israeli influence on Russia.

Posted by: rosemerry | May 30, 2018 2:48:56 PM | 29

Red Ryder @10--

Mostly agree; however, billions are being risked by both China and Russia in other BRI locales, Pakistan and Afghanistan being the most obvious, thus the concern over the Outlaw US Empire's relocation of Daesh to the region. Please read Pepe's latest.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 30, 2018 9:24:20 PM | 30

@10 &@30 Also agree. Txs karlof1, Pepe's trip to Iran was revealing. A wise & old folk Iranians are..

Posted by: Lozion | May 30, 2018 9:58:51 PM | 31

@paul, 6.

Keep up Paul. you are the last & only to speak the truth here before get chop off as troll. Millions of Israel jews are Russian, what a coincident.

Putin:“We fought Nazism together – I want
to emphasise that we really fought
together. This means that we have
common humanitarian values – this
is the sturdiest foundation for
cooperation…It is in Russia’s national
interests to secure peace and order
in the Middle East, peace and order
for the people of Israel. It is no
accident that the Soviet Union was
among the initiators and supporters
of the creation of the state of Israel.”

Many quotes from Putin that will make Assad's Syrians & Iranians wake up in cold sweat at night.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/russias-unspoken-relationship-with-israel/5640007

Posted by: a | May 30, 2018 11:47:49 PM | 32

Magneir's latest piece is similar to the piece by TTG earlier. Seems Russia is brokering a face saving way for Israel to back down.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | May 31, 2018 2:52:59 AM | 33

The link to Magneir's piece
https://ejmagnier.com/2018/05/31/south-syria-to-return-within-the-control-of-damascus

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | May 31, 2018 3:19:59 AM | 34

@paul, 6.

Its more than few oil deals that you thought so.

50% of migrants to Israel in 2017 is Russian-Ukrainian. 1.2M out of 6.6M Israelis Jews are Russian, influencing Israel towards right nationalism, and supporter of Nethanyahu.

"Russian-speaking immigrants form the base of the influential right-wing nationalist party Yisrael Beiteinu. The party has teamed up with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud to form a bloc that is leading the polls ahead of this month's elections."
https://www.npr.org/2013/01/02/168457444/on-multiple-fronts-russian-jews-reshape-israel

About Southern Syria liberation:
[Russia And America Put Aside Their
Differences In Order To “Maintain
Stable Cooperation…On Many
Issues, Including The Southern De-
Escalation Zone (In Syria), Where
Israeli…Interests Are Also Present”:]
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/55882

[President Putin Will Do Everything In
His Power To “Win The Confidence
Of [The Israeli] People”, Which
Means That “They Must Come To
See That Russia Takes An Even-
Handed Position And Pursues A
Policy Aimed At Settling The Conflict
And Ensuring…The Interests Of
Israel”:]
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/21552

[The Concept Of “Broader Europe”
Must Include Israel:]

[Russia “Always Discusses” Syria
And Iran With Israel, People “Do Not
Need To Ask In (The) Future
[Whether They] Discussed These
Questions Or Not”:]

[Russia Keeps Israel Updated On Its
Ties With Iran At Tel Aviv’s
“Request”:]

[Israel Provides A “Good Example” Of
“How To Deal With Terror” After its
“Decades Of Suffering” From It And
“Is An Element Of Stability In The
Middle East, And Hence In The
Whole World”:]

[Palestine Must “Put An End To
Terrorist Actions” & “Develop On A
Democratic Basis”, And The World
Must “Ensure The Security Of The
Jewish State Of Israel And Its
Citizens”:]

[Russia Will Never “Violate Any Balance” Against Its Arms Sales To Syria, And Will Ensure That All Shipments
“Cannot Be Unnoticeably Handed
Over To Terrorist Organizations”:]

[Israel Is Russia’s “Unconditional
Ally” Against Terrorism:]

[It’s A “Terrorist Attack” For
Palestinians To Ram Trucks Into IDF
Troops:]

[President Putin Has “Many Personal
Ties With People Who Live In Russia
And Israel”, Including A “Major
Political Figure” In The Latter:]

Ever wander how Israel always knew precise location of all Iranian & Hezbollah positions for bull-eye hits, including bunker hidden missiles in vast Syria land? And Russians will always failed to disrupt Israelis cruise missile GPS system, without retaliation & admonishment.

Sure, b want us to believe Israelis is lying about its order to Russia to bomb Iranians out of Syria. Look at their actions, not words. But its trolls & nonsense for those pointing out obvious evidences. So good bye to putin-MoonofAlabama.

Posted by: a | May 31, 2018 3:24:55 AM | 35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHBN45fbo8

Playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order?

Posted by: Eric | May 31, 2018 4:38:00 AM | 36

I believe you just used past experience to make the case that Russian advisers, in close proximity to Iranian advisers, are about to start exploding all over Syrian and not just in Southwest Syria. And, apparently, there isn't anything Russia can do about it. That would kind of make Russia into an Iranian stooge.
Meanwhile, the US, Turkey and the Kurds cut a deal.
Fascinating stuff.

Posted by: Freed | May 31, 2018 10:38:45 AM | 37

@Syrian | May 29, 2018
7:22:02 AM | 2

Good point. But it make no different, Syrians or Iranians/ Hezbollah / Iraqis are disposable foot soldiers for Russia to snatch a big slice of Syria from USof Israel jaw.

How did IAF differentiate & keep track of all Iranian & Hezbollah movements from Russians (SAA) so precisely to bomb with cruise missiles (required pre-entered GPS guilded data)?

Assad SAA know who is their true allies, sure its not Russialis. Whenever Assad & Iran refused to comply to Putin's grand plan, they get bomb into obedient by Russia directed-approved IAF, after frequent threat of withdrawing RuAF don't work.

The Grand plan of legalizing all white imperialists occupation through UN-Russia sponsored Syria constitution in name of Peace, while destroying Iran Shiah Crescent to defend themselves.

Remember original Yinon plan of invading 7 countries in 5 years, you will not lost sight in deceiving propaganda war. Look at where its driven, not how its driven.

b fall into this propaganda war, giving piece meal analysis while missing the whole forest.

Posted by: SunofSyria | May 31, 2018 7:07:22 PM | 38

Persians have survived on slaughts of white imperialists for many centuries. They were able to harass powerful Ottoman Empires in ancient time. They defeated Iraq invasion backed by West-Israel & Soviet using WMD. So they know more than carpet weaving, they will survive again in Yinon war.

Russia will pay the unbearable price in Syria-Iran war, with US of Israel. There is no way to bomb 60M of Persians into submission without using nuke extermination that will unleash disastrous damage to Israel of 8M jews.

A struggle of whites Crusaders & Arabs Jihadis continue into modern era, with their psychopathic creator God enjoying Gladiator shows by creating many evils to fight each other. What a blessing in disguise for world peace to exhaust these imperialists Viagra urge in Jerusalem quagmire.

Posted by: Fog Peircing | May 31, 2018 10:31:40 PM | 39

I donated b. I like your analysis/articles. US apologists are bad enough, but a comment section swamped with hereditary Russia haters is offputting to say the least.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jun 1, 2018 3:03:57 AM | 40

@Peter AU 1 | Jun 1, 2018
3:03:57 AM | 40

Are these what you called hereditary Russia haters speaking facts backed with reliable sources & sound logic, or they are simply lying & slandering?

Call not one a hater, instigator, agitator, troll, or whatever, but if they are truth speaker.

You are not Syrians, Iranians, Lebanons, Iraqis & Palestinians living in constant fear & hardship of tyranny white & Israelis imperialists' terrorism & destructive wars, so you can't feel for them.

Whatever Russia compromising proposal in cohort of US of Israel short from recovering entire Syria is unacceptable to Syrians & its leader Mr Assad. They would prefer to die martyrs than live as traitors in guilt & shame to sign away an inch of land to invaders.

https://www.rt.com/news/428395-assad-interview-rt-highlights-syria/

Anything disagreeable with one's "bigotry" view is off-putting. We come to alt sites is not to seek hereditary Russia lover view, but diversified views including unpleasant harsh truth.

Your donation to b should not become a threat to muzzle open discussion of facts, otherwise you are just another lobbyist trying to control msm through money, turning this site to another Russia propaganda tool that already flooded many alt sites (though much better than US-apologists).

Posted by: TruthSeeker | Jun 1, 2018 10:43:15 AM | 41

b needs to move up from analyzing topical affairs by start looking at broader picture of geopolitical games.

otherwise you will lost in the thick fog of propaganda war & ended as part of it. The reason countries have hot lines among each other is also to cut undisclosed deals.

when deal fell out, ZFUKUS aerial bombed Russian troop for hours, killed its generals, down its warplanes , staged chemical attack, crank up sanction & smearing campaign as punishment to bring putin back to obedient. when assad/iranians disobey, RuAF called in its ally IAF to help.

syria, iran or palestine are just pawns in their geopolitical game, all trying to get a bigger share of pie with no iota regards to their lifes...there is never a white knight to save anyone, only butchers heckling for choice parts. forest law prevail, strongest get lion share.

This is neither zfukus apologists nor putin/russia hater words, its glaring truth that people refuse to accept by pretending to look elsewhere, digging on irrelevant issues.

Posted by: TruthSeeker | Jun 1, 2018 10:36:11 PM | 42

Thank you b, good to have your analysis and that of this passionate commentariat. There is mucho heat in this kitchen tonight and I am so pleased to consider it all. May peace reign in Syria, Iraq and Iran for many centuries.

Posted by: flamingo | Jun 4, 2018 7:27:41 AM | 43

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