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May 30, 2018

Propaganda Killing Kills Propaganda - First The Skripals, Now Arkady Babchenko Come Back From The Dead

An "enemy of Putin" is attacked. Authorities immediately raise accusations against Russia and the Kremlin. Public condemnation follows. There are calls to sanction Russia.

But the information is murky. The details don't make sense. Critical questions follow. After the while the "dead" come back from death.

The above was the script followed in the Skripal affair. The "deadly nerve agent - of a type developed by Russia-" did not kill at all. Now a similar case happened.

Arkady Babchenko: Ukraine blames Russia for journalist murder - BBC:

Ukraine's Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman has accused Russia of being behind the killing in Kiev of the Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko.

"I am confident that the Russian totalitarian machine did not forgive him his honesty and principled stance," the prime minister posted on Facebook.

A Kremlin critic, Babchenko was gunned down outside his apartment on Tuesday.

There were hundreds such headlines since yesterday, all directly or indirectly accusing Russia, the Kremlin or Putin.

Despite lack of any evidence that Russia was involved, one German union of journalists, the DJV, demanded a EU boycott of the worldcup soccer championship in Russia .


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But the case was murky. Babchenko was critical of all Russians who did not protest against the Russian involvement in Syria and Ukraine. When the TU 154 with the Red Army Choir crashed and 92 artists died, Babchenko said that it did not bother him. In his eyes those too were guilty people. That did not make him any friends. When he moved to the Ukraine he was just as cynical towards the people and the Ukrainian government. He raised harsh accusations against the Ukrainian President Poroshenko. Many common people hated him, many issued threats.

After his murder was announced and everyone had had time to "blame Russia", contradicting tales of how the murder happened emerged.

Babchenko was killed by shots in the back or front, the public was told. He was killed while either leaving the apartment or while coming home, depending on which sources the media spoke to. He died in place or in the emergency vehicle. Not even the number of shots that had hit him was consistently reported. The police did not get the story straight. Then news broke in Kiev that the police had been in Babchenko apartment block hours before he was killed. They had manipulated the CCTV. Something was deeply wrong with their story.

Now it turns out that Babchenko is alive and well. No one shot at him. An hour ago he appeared in a press conference (video).

The internal Ukrainian security service SBU said it had created a stunt together with Babchenko. It says that this was done to catch someone who had threatened him.

Reuters Moscow correspondent Polina Ivanova translated live:

#breaking Russian journalist Babchenko that was declared murdered last night is... alive
Says he had to stage his own murder in order to capture someone, apologises to his wife.

#Babchenko: "Special apologies to my wife. Olechka, I am sorry, but there were no options here. The operation took two months to prepare. I was told a month ago. As a result of the operation, one person has been captured, he is being held."

#Babchenko said that he had found out about an assassination that was being planned against him and joined up with Ukrainian security services to catch the killer, and add that according to their info, Russia ordered the murder

#Babchenko, smirking on live TV, says "I did my bit of the job. I'm still alive. Didn't give you the satisfaction."

#Babchenko says person involved in preparing the assassination has been arrested. Says his murder was ordered for $40,000

There have been hundreds of obituaries for #Babchenko published in Russia today by his colleagues, friends, enemies ... which he can now read. Speechless

This will not go down well for Babchenko or the Ukraine. The Ukrainian Prime Minister officially accused Russia of killing the man. But it turns out the the Ukrainian state faked the murder. Babchenko comes back from the dead, proving that the accusations against Russia were false. Just as one false claim is undone the Ukrainian security service says that Russia ordered the failed assassination? Why would anyone now believe a word of what they say?

Russia should be happy. Both affairs, the Skripal and the Babchenko stunt, have been proven to be factless propaganda against Russia.

The German "journalist" union deleted its tweet and an editorial (pic) demanding sanctions against Russia from its website. Tomorrow it will be back attacking those who say that such "journalism" is fake news and propaganda.

More people will wake up to these obvious manipulations. They will ask questions. The usual accusers will have to become more cautious in raising their propaganda claims. Their propaganda "killings" will - in the end - kill their propaganda.

Posted by b on May 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM | Permalink

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I wouldn't bet on it

Posted by: Pat Bateman | May 30, 2018 12:19:17 PM | 1

That is quite the story b. It certainly supports the circus meme that many of us commenters are using to describe what we see happening.

I can only think that the strategy is either to find/create/repurpose an event to increase global conflict or have an accumulation of "could have been" events to keep the public believing them. None ever talk about the permanent war economy supplanting "growth" as the driver.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 30, 2018 12:27:23 PM | 2

In my opinion, as condolences started pouring to Kiev during the day from allied governments, somebody there realized that what if Trump also sent them an "I'm so sorry, those bloody Russians..." note. Weell, that would have been an embaressment of monumental proportions if Babchenko turned out alive after that :D

So they called it off earlier than planned.

In any way, this was a very shallow and self-defeatng stunt for the Ukrainians. Who will believe them now? And what if Babchenko is "killed" a second time, this time for real?


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Posted by: BG | May 30, 2018 12:28:29 PM | 3

thanks b... i tend to agree with @1 pat... this is ongoing and not going to stop any time soon.. usa/uk are putting plenty of money into war propaganda.. that is what this is... i listened to cbc news this morning where russia is again given a black eye by innuendo... no facts needs.. will cbc come back later today to offer an apology? i highly doubt it... this propaganda only works in one direction... not many people are paying attention to the details..

Posted by: james | May 30, 2018 12:40:12 PM | 4

Weird analysis,
Ukraine made a false flag event and put Russia in a pahtetic place, a great PR win for Ukraine.
Remember Ukraine have also arrested a person.

Posted by: Zanon | May 30, 2018 12:45:34 PM | 5

My theory is that they called it off because people might start asking questions about Pavel Sheremet.


Drew Sullivan, a co-founder of the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, a Kyiv Post partner, said in an April 17 interview with the Ukrainska Pravda online newspaper that he believed Ukrainian authorities were involved in Sheremet’s murder. The authorities deny the accusations.

“As far as Poroshenko is concerned, we don’t know whether Sheremet’s murder was ordered by him or someone from his administration but think that Ukrainian authorities are implicated in this,” he said. “The authorities intentionally fail to find out the truth and do not publish information that must be public.”

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/us-state-department-calls-anti-graft-court-slams-human-rights-violations-ukraine.html

Here's the Killing Pavel documentary: https://www.occrp.org/en/documentaries/killing-pavel/

Posted by: blahblablah | May 30, 2018 12:47:36 PM | 6

This is a story so crazy, it could only come from Ukraine. Or the UK, America, Israel, Saudi Arabia...

When the spin factor is so high, there is no event (real or manufactured) that can't be turned into an anti-Russia story. It's a win-win for lies.

Posted by: WorldBLee | May 30, 2018 1:06:54 PM | 7

I saved the first 4 links of your article to the Internet Archive Wayback Machine
to defeat editing or deletion of the articles.

Posted by: librul | May 30, 2018 1:15:44 PM | 8

From Zero Hedge: "[Babchenko] is the founder of "Journalists Without Middle-men," and has since written several award-winning books about his experience. He has also been a freelance writer for several foreign publications, including the BBC and The Guardian.

An open question: what are the chances of Skripal and Babchenko being proverbial cousins?

Posted by: LXV | May 30, 2018 1:19:19 PM | 9

It's one thing for journalists to be misled.

It's another for journalists' organization to engage in politics and to mislead.
There's a German scandal here in its own right.

Udo Ulfkotte, anyone?

Posted by: bjd | May 30, 2018 1:27:02 PM | 10

The story from Ukrain is that Russia paid a Ukrainian citizen $40k to kill Babchenko. They faked his death to expose the Russian plot. Really? One would think that Russia would eschew outsourcing assassinations to avoid the problem of the hit man giving them up in a plea deal. What a farce. In the meantime the Ukranian government publicly accuses Putin of ordering his murder, when they know Babchenko is alive. This reckless lie risks any number of catastrophic responses by other states or individual citizens. I hope to God this “will not go down well for Babchenko or the Ukraine.”

Posted by: K.woods | May 30, 2018 1:33:53 PM | 11

While we are at it - please make Skripal's kitty resurrect too, it had done nothing to deserve permadeath!
https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/status/1001844037626814466

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Also: Monty Python: Bring out your dead!!!
Babchenko's joke still may end sour.

Posted by: Arioch | May 30, 2018 1:34:46 PM | 12

Ukraine is a sickness upon Europe.

Highly Likely that they have suffered permanent brain damage.

Posted by: Red Ryder | May 30, 2018 1:38:18 PM | 13

How does it even make sense to fake a murder in order to smoke out the assassins??

Posted by: qualtrough | May 30, 2018 1:40:28 PM | 14

Fraudulent or not, this operation was a success, as it provided the corporate media with yet another opportunity to smear Russia and poison the public’s opinion of that country. Corrections and retractions will do little to reverse the initial effects.

Posted by: Rob

Posted by: Rob | May 30, 2018 1:53:53 PM | 15

qualtrough

How does it even make sense to fake a murder in order to smoke out the assassins??

Its part of the anti-russian propaganda, just look at the media, what are they writing about. Putin Putin Putin. Just like this psychological propaganda campaign aimed to.

Rob

Indeed a success, I am sure russians feel humiliated by this, how this will benefit any peace between Russia/Ukraine I dont see, but apparently states like Ukraine doesnt care, just anti-russian hate-politics is what matters apparently.

Posted by: Zanon | May 30, 2018 2:01:19 PM | 16

The article linked to at the top of this article has an update:

Arkady Babchenko: Ukraine blames Russia for journalist murder


Update: After this story was published it subsequently became clear that Arkady Babchenko was still alive and there is a new story reflecting this .

The 'new story' is at least as bad as the original.


Ukraine staged the murder of a Russian dissident journalist in Kiev on Tuesday in what it said was a sting operation to foil a Russian assassination plot.

Arkady Babchenko sent shock waves around the world when he arrived at a news conference on Wednesday, less than 24 hours after he was reported dead.

The head of Ukraine's security services, Vasyl Hrytsak, said the elaborate sting was set up to catch hitmen paid by Russian forces.


Posted by: librul | May 30, 2018 2:19:15 PM | 17

"Why would anyone now believe a word of what they say?"

Unfortunately a lot of people will believe them because the mass media will support their narrative. Instead of questioning this unbelievable story, journalists will cast doubt on any skeptical comments, just as it did in the Skripal case.

Just to observe the propaganda, I've been watching BBC World TV's coverage of the Babchenko story. Not surprisingly the BBC reporters treated the Ukrainian 'elaborate sting' almost as a fact. They did have to acknowledge that this sting operation was a "curious move" that some Ukrainians might find hard to believe. But the report then quickly returned to Russia-bashing mode in order to reassure us that the story is credible.

The reporting by German state TV is even more biased. ARD's Moscow reporter did say alright that Ukraine hasn't yet produced any proof, but he presented the Ukrainian story as if it were perfectly credible. He didn't point out the elephant in the room - the fact that Babchenko's murder was fake news (by definition!) which was fabricated by Kiev. You can hardly get anything more fake than a fake murder! And now, we're expected to believe the explanation for why it was faked.

Those are just my observations today from watching two TV stations today, but I'm sure it's the same in the rest of the western media.

Posted by: Brendan | May 30, 2018 2:37:45 PM | 18

Re @11

Outsourcing assassinations is actually the best method, because, if done professionally, authorities cannot prove who actually paid for it. However, it seems like a < /tall_tale >how faking a murder allowed to uncover a planned murder. The hired gun sobbed uncontrollably, "where is my bonus? I already told my fiancee that I have 100,000 dollars, now she will not marry me! Oh, poor me!" And, completely drunk, told the details of his misfortune to all people in the same watering hole. < /tall_tale >

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 30, 2018 2:41:21 PM | 19

librul @8

The two telegraph articles on yahoo were written by one Roland Oliphant. He has got form. On 14 August 2014, Shaun Walker stated (and apparently has not retracted):

"So @RolandOliphant and I just saw a column of APCs and vehicles with official Russian military plates cross border into Ukraine."

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/statuses/499985823274917889

That must be part of these super stealth Russian troops and armor that fails to show up on any US drone reconaissance flight or on any satellite image.

Posted by: Yonatan | May 30, 2018 2:43:12 PM | 20

Ukraine is a sickness upon Europe.

Highly Likely that they have suffered permanent brain damage.

Posted by: Red Ryder | May 30, 2018 1:38:18 PM | 13

I hate such generalization. In what way tall tales from Ukraine are inferior to English folklore, as created by Her Majesty Government? For Ukraine: Babchenko is indisputably alive, answers questions etc, surely not a Maybot with replaced face and sound tapes.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 30, 2018 2:46:51 PM | 21

The World Cup begins in Russia in two weeks. Does anyone need to have that explained? I only wonder what are they going to think up after the World Cup has its glorious closing ceremony. Ukraine will not stop here. It will not even stop at a full-scale invasion of Donbass during the World Cup. After all, the US/EU(read German)/NATO coup took place in Kiev during the Sochi Olympics.

Posted by: Quentin | May 30, 2018 2:51:13 PM | 22

Newsnight on the BBC had an interview with some of the medical staff at the Salisbury hospital where the Skripals were treated. When the Skripals first arrived, the medics believed they were dealing with opioid poisoning but when the "police" made them aware that Skripal pere was a British spy/Russian intelligence agent, they immediately suspected that he'd been poisoned with novichok even though apparently nobody in the west knew anything about novichok except from some Fox TV thriller. Then the medical staff sent samples to Porton Down who established that novichok had been used. This raises a couple of questions.

1. Novichok had allegedly only been made in the Soviet Union so how did Porton Down have reference samples to test against?

2. Opioids and organophosphates are both acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, so I guess the treatments for poisoning by both are similar and opioid-induced delirium can be treated with acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. So I'm wondering if the Skripals were poisoned either with opioids with sub-lethal traces of novichok or just a sub-lethal dose of novichok in the knowledge that they would first be treated for opioid poisoning that would keep them "alive" until the novichok could be identified. We know Skripal was prepared to betray his country for money (£175,000 I believe). How much would he need to be paid to create a major black propaganda coup against his country? This latest little scam in Ukraine just reinforces my views about the Skripal case and also about MH17 - the SBU created a chain of evidence consisting of photographs of a Ukrainian BUK launcher to discredit Russia and failing to close it's airspace over a war zone after a number of military aircraft had been shot down.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 30, 2018 3:01:38 PM | 23

For the MSM the current shortage of dead bodies is itself proof positive that this is an FSB plot. And so of course it must be, since either the FSB are devious, cunning masterminds or the MSM are incompetent nitwits without the wit to be professionally embarrassed.

Posted by: Loftwork | May 30, 2018 3:03:28 PM | 24

As I wrote, hybridians were eliminated in Poland, so now I can quote comments trusting that they are written by real people, and in cases of correct grammar etc. probably Polish. A nice theory:

40 min. temu
ukraińcy chcieli go odstrzelić by było na Moskwę. Facet wyczuł co się dzieje, zdobył dowody i zagroził że po jego śmierci wypłyną. Teraz opowiadają bzdury, bo się dogadali. W końcu mają wspólnego wroga.
Ukrainians wanted to shot him dead to blame Moscow. The guy got the wind of the plot, found evidence and threatened that in the case of his death it will became public. Now they reached an agreement and they are spreading nonsense. After all, they have a common enemy [but Babchenko did not want to sacrifice for the cause]

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 30, 2018 3:05:59 PM | 25

Clearly the US own goal of JCPOA withdrawal creates a rift across the Atlantic and brings Europe closer to russia. And so they will pull out all the stops in the information war against Russia. This won't be last creative fantasy the peddle.

Posted by: lysander | May 30, 2018 3:17:45 PM | 26

Huffington Post headline: Journalist Arkady Babchenko’s ‘Murder’ Faked By Ukraine To Uncover Russian Plot.....

Posted by: georgeg | May 30, 2018 3:28:47 PM | 27

The propaganda is effective. Numerous commentators including Chomsky have demonstrated such. By the time the lie is or can beexposed, another one has already been manufactured and disseminated.

Posted by: Ninel | May 30, 2018 3:29:03 PM | 28

How does it even make sense to fake a murder in order to smoke out the assassins??

This!

I'm a ruthless hit man, Kremlin hired. I've been tasked with killing a noble journo for 40,000$ (some 6-7 years of fine living, at current Ukrainian salaries).

But - wait! - my target has been killed!
Photos of his body, bleeding for 3 lethal wounds, are in the News.
An MP confirms the death on FB. Police circulates a pretty generic identikit.

My mission is accomplished and my active role in it was just to turn the TV on and watch.
My Russian handler has seen the news as well, and has approved the transfer of 40 grands to my Swiss bank account.

How in the flying world would this all lure me into coming out of the woods and reveal myself and my plan?
Why should I do any damning move?
Why should I do anything AT ALL (except, perhaps, going to a restaurant and order lobster and Veuve Clicot)?


Is there a Miss Maple fan that succeeds into fathom how this awkward charade can possibly trap even a teen-aged newcomer on the political assassinations scene?

Posted by: MakkiaRubra | May 30, 2018 4:00:47 PM | 29

No apology from the DJV after calling for a boycott of the football world cup in Russia.

https://twitter.com/DJVde/status/1001845417863254022

Just a modification of the original blog post:

https://www.djv.de/startseite/service/blogs-und-intranet/djv-blog/detail/article/text-vom-3005-zu-arkadi-babtschenko.html

Posted by: et Al | May 30, 2018 4:21:52 PM | 30

@et Al (30)

It should be a great scandal that an organization of journalists(!) engages in politics c.q. even a boycott. (An issue separate from the subject of a hand here).

Posted by: bjd | May 30, 2018 4:27:06 PM | 31

typo corrected:
(An issue separate from the subject at hand here).

Posted by: bjd | May 30, 2018 4:28:25 PM | 32

et Al

Why would they apologize? These people are anti russian racists that want world war with Russia. Of course they use any propaganda they can, whether true or false.

Posted by: Zanon | May 30, 2018 4:44:08 PM | 33

Zanon 12:45:34 PM | 5
Bullshit. Ukraine has irrevocably embarrassed itself. German President Steinmeier, who has also been deceived, will probably be quite angry. Actor Babchenko is definitely burned. Nobody's gonna believe another word he says. If I were his wife, I'd divorce him.
What I wonder; was that the stupid plan, or did something go wrong, whereupon one decided to call it an April Fool and let Babchenko rise again from the dead. I don't think Poroshenko is so abysmally insane that he would have gotten himself involved in something like this.

Posted by: Pnyx | May 30, 2018 5:02:48 PM | 34

@23 Ghost Ship

(1)Allegation is simply not true. (How they figured their conclusion from biological samples, presumably bound ACHE, no longer the original CW substance is, well, 'a good question' )

(2)Opioids may fiddle with ACHE release a bit, but after CW there would be too little ACHE to fiddle with, and so antiopioid treatment would do next to nothing. That's not what allegedly saved them, it was rather machine-assisted breathing and heart pumping,+sedation, until they figured a way to bring ACHE levels back (they are not telling how).

It is still unclear whether low ACHE directly impacts brain (apart from breathing/pumping which machine can take care of). Anybody knows?- From what they say happened, it should not.

Posted by: Don Karlos | May 30, 2018 5:04:19 PM | 35

Shit, we've screwed up another assassination attempt.

With Skripal, we forgot that liquid Novichok falls off of door handles, especially in the rain, and England is sometimes rainy in March. We also made the mistake of attempting it just down the road from those boffins in Porton Down, who are world-leading experts in nerve agents.

With Babchenko, we didn't think of the staged murder trick - that always fools the bad guys on TV.

Posted by: Brendan | May 30, 2018 5:14:24 PM | 36

@23, 35 +

Presumably there may be direct brain damage. like here,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22498093
but somehow miraculously it did not occur after several days of non-treatment, or several weeks of whatever followed.

Posted by: Don Karlos | May 30, 2018 5:31:30 PM | 37

Agatha Christie wrote a Miss Marple mystery, "Murder Is Easy," in which one of the characters declares, "Murder is easy, if no one thinks it's murder."

Propaganda is easy, if no one thinks it's propaganda. It's a business model the Western press has gotten away with for quite a while.

Propagandists are not going away any time soon, any more than murderers are, but their game becomes trickier, riskier, and more daring with each crime. It feels like their inevitable recklessness should lead to an eventual comeuppance for all of them, doesn't it? But we're back to Lily Tomlin's enduring wisdom: "No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up."

Nevetheless, more and more cynical we must make ourselves if we are to have any hope at all of getting closer to the truth. We must do our best to make propaganda harder and harder. Thank you, b, for contributing mightily to that effort.

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | May 30, 2018 5:35:50 PM | 38

All this nonsense to toss a few molotov cocktails to the coming World Cup in Russia.   I agree with @1, there's going to be a limit to the number of people asking questions about these obvious manipulations.   People in general are lazy and will accept whatever information is thrown at them.

Posted by: Ian | May 30, 2018 5:43:12 PM | 39

Emily Dickinson @ 38
I believe Mark Twain said it's easer to fool someone,than convince them they have been fooled !

Posted by: Mark2 | May 30, 2018 5:54:17 PM | 40

@Zanon @bjd

I'm not surprised in the least. I've watched this kind of behavior unroll for a long time. the pretend impartiality of the Cold War gave way to 'story telling' with journalists sharing their emotions, not because it brought actual value to the news, but because they felt liberated to be part of the story too, however ridiculous that is. They actually get to go home and hand wring unless they are unfortunate to die at work. Quite the luxury.

The rules only matter if the other side has the ability to hold you to account. The SU collapsed and the long established rules became flexible in the West's favor for the last thirty odd years.

But, the party is over* and those green journalists, diplomats, historians, humanitarianists et al (not me) are now senior members of Da Establishment. The walls of Jericho are crumbling before their very eyes and they are g(r)asping at straws, any straws, however feeble, short or plain ridiculous. The rest of the world has been getting on with their own thing.

I would look to the Kubler-Ross model of five stages of grief & loss to help explain the west's behavior. 1: Denial & Isolation; 2: Anger; 3: Bargaining: 4: Depression; 5: Acceptance. I would say '1' is almost over except for the greatest of diehards, somewhere around 2 & 3 seems the case for the rest depending on which cadre is involved though whether they admit it is a different question.

We like to think we are masters of our own destiny, but history has its own curve that we are repeatedly part of...

* not a Roxy Music allusion!

Posted by: et Al | May 30, 2018 5:56:34 PM | 41

Reply to Ghost Ship (23)
Ghost Ship wrote:
"Opioids and organophosphates are both acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, so I guess the treatments for poisoning by both are similar and opioid-induced delirium can be treated with acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. So I'm wondering if the Skripals were poisoned either with opioids with sub-lethal traces of novichok or just a sub-lethal dose of novichok in the knowledge that they would first be treated for opioid poisoning that would keep them "alive" until the novichok could be identified."

First, we have to avoid repeating propaganda: paramedics and doctors treating the Skripals wouldn't suspect poisoning, but rather an opioid overdose, if they found the classic signs: unconsciousness, pinpoint pupils, bradycardia, hypotension and respiratory depression. Second, opioids don't produce delirium but obtundation.

But back to the park bench: how convenient that they passed out in public, where passersby would be sure to find them. I suspect that they were in an ambulance or a van near the park, where they were given propofol (the anesthetic that singer Michael Jackson regularly used to get to sleep), and then led quickly to the bench. They could have been given a weaker opioid (fentanyl would be too dangerous) to give them the signs of poisoning.

With regards to acetylcholine and acetylcholinesterase and ACh inhibitors, the treatment for an opioid overdose is naloxone, an opioid receptor blocker.

When planning this false-flag operation, I'm sure that they made it look as if the Skripals had overdosed on fentanyl or heroin so that they would get something safe like naloxone. Now that we know that the UK government has done extensive mimicking of wounds in Syria, I am extremely doubtful about Yulia's tracheotomy scar, which she took pains to enhance with her blouse in the video, and which she made indirect reference to by saying the treatment had been very invasive. In my view, she's a liar. I don't buy her act.

Posted by: Diana | May 30, 2018 6:09:56 PM | 42

Should not the focus be on verifying the assertions that there was an assassination plot against Babchenko? The Ukrainians say they have a person in custody. Is that claim real, and if so, was that person in fact involved in an assassination attempt?

This setup reminds me very much of a 1984 news story.

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/18/world/cairo-fakes-pictures-and-foils-libyan-death-plot.html

wherein Egypt foiled Gadhafi's plot to assassinate a dissident named Adbul Hamid Bakkush by faking a successful assassination, going as far as to have Bakkush play dead with fake blood all over his face for a photo. Gadhafi took the bait and touted the assassination in Libya's official press; Egypt revealed the truth a day later.

So, foiling an assassination attempt by faking a success is not unprecedented.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | May 30, 2018 6:12:08 PM | 43

Red Ryder @13. Thank you for that I think there will be some in Russia who quietly give a sigh of relief for the Ukraine/EU alliance. Not often one finds a Trojan Horse these days, but to find one leaving dollops of bullsh!t behind is a treasure. Good luck EU.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 30, 2018 6:21:48 PM | 44

The Smith-Mundt Act was repealed in 2013 and the ban on propaganda was lifted, giving the government license to produce/manufacture news aimed at US citizens.

Posted by: Willow | May 30, 2018 6:23:28 PM | 45

This Babachenko is a real asshole and probably deserves to be shot....

"I was talkin' to Arkady's mother just the other night
I said Arkady's an asshole and she said I believe you are right...."

Posted by: BRF | May 30, 2018 6:23:59 PM | 46

I need to get my Russian tricolor out to display during World Cup. Wonder how many neighbors that'll annoy? Yet another reason to allow Big Lie Media to wallow in its own excrement. I agree we'll be treated to bushels of such refuse.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 30, 2018 6:29:13 PM | 47

Good to see so many new posters here. Every endeavour needs fresh energy and ideas and if any blog or alternative website deserves quality people it is this one. Please don't forget b.'s request for funds. Even ten or twenty euros is okay. I am waiting to get paid for a translation to send what I can.

Posted by: Lochearn | May 30, 2018 6:35:09 PM | 48

Hey Lochearn, I found an advertisement for a new rejuvenation wonder skincare cream!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeWJK7gWsAUzaoP.jpg

Posted by: Jen | May 30, 2018 6:55:09 PM | 49

I wonder how Babchenko's faked murder and sudden Lazarus resurrection will affect future reporting on the ongoing MH17 shoot-down investigation. Given that the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team includes Ukraine, I wonder how much credibility the public will now attach to any more findings and announcements the team makes.

Are there any more pristine, undamaged scraps of that 1986-vintage SA-11 missile, allegedly fired by the Kursk-based 53rd anti-aircraft missile battalion, to be put on public show ahead of the FIFA World Cup?

Posted by: Jen | May 30, 2018 7:08:58 PM | 50

Mark2 @ 40

also - "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." Mark Twain

Posted by: Paul Randall | May 30, 2018 7:10:35 PM | 51

@ Jen 47

Yes, I saw it on Syrian Perspective about ten hours after I had posted here. It's the beauty of the internet, you float an idea out there and bingo someone develops it just as I had envisaged. But maybe the same idea occurred coincidentally in time to the creator of the image. I just don't know, but thanks.

Posted by: Lochearn | May 30, 2018 7:29:42 PM | 52

Then there's Bill Browder's 1 hour arrest


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/30/bill-browder-says-arrest-in-spain-is-another-case-of-putin-going-after-me-over-magnitsky-act.html

Posted by: daffyDuct | May 30, 2018 7:47:29 PM | 53


Then there's Bill Browder's 1 hour arrest in Spain.

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Hot+Topics/Bill+Browder

Posted by: daffyDuct | May 30, 2018 7:49:38 PM | 54

Just another case of "Russia did it" meme that turns out to be BS. When you view every other nation as a competitor, you must bring them down somehow, or so the rulers of the empire think. There will be more, the world cup is almost upon us. Can't wait to hear how poorly run it is, or so the empire spinners will crow.

Posted by: ben | May 30, 2018 7:57:32 PM | 55

This really reminds me of that exquisite farce, the White Helmets "Manequin Challenge."

The comedy to me is, if lying is foundational to your group's aims or even simply becomes habitual for less profound reasons you open yourself up to this kind of self-owning behaviour.

I almost feel sorry for the WH and SUB operatives involved. They feed this media beast everyday but aren't party to the unspoken "rules" of the game at the Empire's center. Like a rube that knock's off the bosses rival in an unacceptably public fashion and is then shocked to find nothing but contempt when he goes to collect his reward.

Posted by: Oddlots | May 30, 2018 8:10:49 PM | 56

Then there's Kill Bill Browder's one hour arrest.


http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Hot+Topics/Bill+Browder

Posted by: daffyDuct | May 30, 2018 8:11:59 PM | 57

... the party is over* and those green journalists, diplomats, historians, humanitarianists et al (not me) are now senior members of Da Establishment. The walls of Jericho are crumbling ...

Posted by: et Al | May 30, 2018 5:56:34 PM | 41

I wish. That assumes that the majority of citizens expects "truth" rather than "supporting our narrative". I have serious doubts. It is worth knowing that according to archaeologists, Jericho was in ruins for several hundred years at the time Hebrews formed as a nation/collection of tribes. In real life, changes are gradual.

Observe that the stronger the spirit "you do not cheer for the opposite team, nobody cares about sportsmanship", the more sloppy the "black flags" are. While the spirit is present both in UK and Ukraine, in UK they have to pay some attention to detail -- not that they are meticulous.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 30, 2018 8:57:42 PM | 58

Google “Babchenko wife found” and you can find many news reports where the police say that she was the one who found the body. But if that's true, how could she have been fooled?

Posted by: blahblablah | May 30, 2018 9:13:46 PM | 59

Watched the 10pm beeb news show when I wake up this am as tonic to begin the day. It was a particularly abject example of propaganda across the spectrum of 'outrages de jour' which led with the Babchenko tosh.
Many many different excuses were floated like trial balloons and it quickly became obvious that the NPP (new propaganda plan) is to normalise fake stories, get the mugs to the state where lying is perfectly acceptable so any revelations about the falsehoods in news stories fall away like proverbial water off a duck's back.
The motive for it is strictly for the school playground "Those mean old Russians do it, so we have to as well".
Ridiculous and transparent but there was a little outrage at the Poroshenko mob because they tricked those bastions of truthiness, honesty and objective reportage the hacks at the BBC. Also since the beeb is such an unashamed tory whore (the current commercial on the allegedly advertisement-free beeb, is a blatant attempt to market brexit like soap powder), the talking head gave Ukraine's security services a serve for allegedly embarassing the most outstanding human being to have ever oppressed the 'proles', englander Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson.
'Bojo' as the murdoch mob call him, had made a threatening press release against Russia ("of course not I've Russian ancestry, What! Where do you think Boris came from blah, blah, small throat burning upchuck, blah blah" - creep).

Anyway they found a Poroschenko-ite who could speak some english (which didn't prevent aforesaid beeb talking head from slipping into the famed 'just talk slower and louder' mode if they pretend not to understand godzone lingo english). Ukrainian pol was their deputy Prime Minister, who I suppose must have been Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze. The usual deputy PM is a bloke by the name of Stepan Kubiv, but I imagine such a tricky sales job required a female (generally appears less duplicitous to the target audience) with some english language skills.

Anyway too much digression. The point I want to make is that when the beeb puppet remonstrated with Ivanna for leading englander secret police up the garden path and "how can we trust what you say now you've so obviously lied to our gang of hoods", Ivanna responded by saying "We supported england on Skripal"

Blatant or what?

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 30, 2018 9:29:59 PM | 60

Perhaps someone in the Kremlin has decided enough is enough and used their deep penetration/stay behind assets within the SBU to discredit the Ukrainian government by coming up with a monumentally stupid scheme to try to make the Russians look bad but actually make the Ukrainian government look like a complete bunch of dipshits.

The same with Skripal to make the morons in the British Conservative government look even more dumb than anyone thought they could be. Although Gavin Williamson, the current British "defence" secretary doesn't really need any help. I mean, his interview being terminated by Richard Madeley FFS.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 30, 2018 9:35:49 PM | 61

Actually, the explanation is quite simple. Think FBI domestic terrorist sting. An SBU man poses as a hit man in response to an Ukrainian Craigslist as by some numbskull looking for a "man of his hands". Looking for a bruiser to beat up the big mouth journalist. The SBU escalated that to murder for just $25k more. The faked death is so that the Ukrainian government can get the money, because they don't have any.
Propaganda just a bonus.

Posted by: C1ue | May 30, 2018 9:47:22 PM | 62

The West wants a war in the worst way as these events are showing.

Blessings to all that are not the West for not responding to the taunts of the fear mongers. Keep slicing the response as thin as necessary to keep moving forward.

What more will the cretins try to do to disrupt the World Cup?

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 30, 2018 10:38:33 PM | 63

When I first heard the initial news of the murder, the knee jerk reaction in my head was that the Nazis had killed a "known" critic of Russia as a false flag to generate anti-Russian sentiments. This inference seemed just as credible as the stress on Russian involvement that the news was making of the thing. Why the thing makes it around the world on radio/TV/print news on what must be ridiculously thin sourcing is a marvel in and of itself. Now we have this unveiling of the nonsense criminal sting, which on the face of it sounds pretty dodgy. There is so little worth serious attention that originates in Kiev, we may as well make up our versions of what is going on and be just as correct.

Posted by: YY | May 30, 2018 11:03:11 PM | 64

The internet and social media along with FB cofounder Peter Thiels Big Data courtesy of Palantar have given the PTB Total Information Awareness. They now know in real time what works and what doesn't. To their surprise they learned the herd was dumber and more susceptible to lies and propaganda than they dared ever believe, the bigger the lie the better.

This is why the lies and false flags just keep getting less believable to the minority who can actually see through them. For the most part that minority is impotent and acquiescent,content to sit on the sidelines and cry foul at each transgression until even they get fatigued

Meanwhile while everyone is distracted over the pretend Cold War, in the US they are prepared to pass the 2018 Antisemitism Awareness Act which makes criticism of Israel an antisemitic act and a Civil Rights Violation . Rosanne just did her part to help garner support, not sure they used the carrot or the stick since it wasn't a good career move on the surface. Soros was one of the victims of antisemitism in Rosannes tweet, he just recently warned of impending financial disaster for the EU and proposed the ECB to give African Nations 20-30 billion Euros a year to develop and thus inhibit immigration (develop = foster color revolutions and install BIS /ECB standard neoliberal CB's in each nation ).

Cuckoo world we live in

Posted by: Pft | May 30, 2018 11:43:05 PM | 65

Just watched on the National CBC (communist broadcasting communications) Funded by the government in Corrupt Canada..

One word:

Bullshit.

About a minute in CBC cuts to a Russian politician living in exile (Instanbull) ; )
His name is Ilya Ponimarev.

Ilya Ponomarev, Founder & CEO

More than 25 years of prominent political, management and investment experience working in high technology industries with primary focus on global opportunities in energy, IT and telecom, including Director of Business Development at Schlumberger, Vice President in Yukos Oil and 10 years as member of Russian Parliament.

8 hours ago on his LinkedIn he posted…

We have made the IPO of http://www.tridentacquisitions.com. First day market cap exceeded $218m!

https://tridentacquisitions.com/

Posted by: Angel | May 30, 2018 11:49:08 PM | 66

What I really like about all these half-baked, knee-jerk anti-Putin plots is that they beg the question...

"Is Putin so angelic and squeaky clean that the West hasn't been able to find ONE verifiable example of Evil-doing by Saint Vladimir?"

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 30, 2018 11:55:08 PM | 67

Only imbeciles would trust anything that comes from MSM after all that we have witnessed during last few years. This became more than circus...it is theater of absurd...
My only question is : what is an underlying (real) task here?
All these stunts are done so amateurish that it can not be an accident, coming one after another...No...
Even if we admit that most of the world population are imbeciles, after those stunts they will simply stop watching ( even if just because they will be bored having it all the time). For those who are still capable of critical thinking (let's say minority of us) what is message there for us?
Maybe : "Give up! Look what we can do and get away with it!And we are having great fun , while you are going crazy"
Still sane population can't even follow and memorize everyday (false) news...they want us to forget and get in line.

Posted by: vbo | May 31, 2018 12:26:53 AM | 68

There's a fairly lively groundswell of Putin fans in Oz. Their favourite stunt is to make unkind comparisons between the Crooks, Liars and pro-Israel/ pro-AmeriKKKan stooges who populate Oz parliaments, and Saint Vladimir.

SBS TV.au will begin broadcasting the 4-part Oliver Stone Putin Interviews, for the 3rd time in 12 months, on May 31, 2018.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 31, 2018 12:28:39 AM | 69

Interesting from ZH;
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-30/journalists-killed-russia-after-putin

And let's not be nieve; nobody who becomes the leader of a large country is a Saint; but Putin's presence on the world stage is both impressive and dignified; exhibiting great diplomatic skills.

Posted by: V | May 31, 2018 1:08:48 AM | 70

@ Hoarsewhisperer with the report on Oz

Thanks for the positive report. Have folks seen SNOWDEN by Oliver Stone as well?

I am in the US and am messing with folks while doing a social science experiment about their Russian attitudes. In the last 6 months I have purchased 3 tongue pan drums from a Russian company called RAV. They are meant to be played by hand but I am playing them with soft mallets because I have nerve damage and turn 70 this year....and I am addicted to playing these drums.....GRIN

Back to my story....
I am not a musician but may in time learn to play these drums gracefully but even with less than a month with one of them I stop traffic on the sidewalk anywhere I play, like when I am having lunch or a libation. These drums are hauntingly beautiful and mostly pentatonic so fools like me can sound great with little effort.
Anyway,
Folks stop and ask me about the drum, I engage them a bit and then tell them it is from Russia to see their reaction. I am sorry to report that the parts of Oregon I have exposed the drum to were mostly negative with their initial reaction but thankfully some came around to believing that maybe Russia might not be our enemy with a little encouragement....sigh

The positive take away for me is the the brainwashing is only a thin veneer for many and must be constantly reinforced. I have been wondering why it has been so long since the last market fleecing and am beginning to think that maybe the elite need to keep the charade going a bit longer.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 31, 2018 1:09:09 AM | 71

@63 Why does Putin have to be "angelic and squeaky clean" is order for his opponents to come up empty-handed?

All that is required is for him to know his stuff, and for his opponents to be hopeless, hapless, and incompetent.

Not a big ask, apparently.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 31, 2018 1:15:26 AM | 72

The West and our 'allies' like Ukraine have devolved into a complete and utter clown show! It is hard to imagine that anyone capable of the most rudimentary critical thought processes could believe a single word that comes from Western politicians, Western institutions, or Western media. Orwell gave us "love is hate" and "war is peace," now I guess we have another addition to those propaganda memes- apparently - "dead is alive." Theatre of the Absurd has nothing on what we in the West call - "reality." We just make it up as we go. Wow!

Posted by: gary | May 31, 2018 1:18:18 AM | 73

Surprised to read this in a RFE/RL pice on "Babs"";

The photo was first published on the Facebook page of a former Ukrainian reporter who says he now works for a shadowy consultancy organization based in the Washington, D.C., area.

"It quickly circulated among Ukrainian and Russian reporters -- though few, if any, media outlets chose to publish it, mainly due to its gory content.

Yevhen Lauer, the reporter who published the photo along with a caption reading “Damn It, Bitches,” told RFE/RL late on May 29 that he received it from a law enforcement source, whom he declined to identify.

Lauer, who has worked for various Ukrainian media outlets in the past, has more recently been affiliated with Trident Group LLC. Based in the Washington suburb of Arlington, the company says it specializes “in law enforcement, investigations, intelligence gathering and analysis, conflict prevention and conflict resolution, international risk control, executive protection and special operations.”

https://www.rferl.org/a/behind-the-hoax-death-of-a-russian-reporter-in-kyiv-a-gruesome-staged-photo/29260025.html

Trident - http://www.tridentgroup-global.com/

"Trident formally launched operations in Ukraine in 2010, when Trident-Ukraine Ltd. was set up in Kiev to better serve Clients’ interests in this dynamic market. The team in Kiev consists of professional analysts and experienced former law enforcement and intelligence officers."

Like the man said - https://twitter.com/Antikaratel?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rferl.org%2Fa%2Fbehind-the-hoax-death-of-a-russian-reporter-in-kyiv-a-gruesome-staged-photo%2F29260025.html

"Next time you show me photos from Syria by ''White Helmets'' I will show photo of ''dead Arkady Babchenko killed by Putin''.
Ukraine just owned the whole journalism, from now on never trust emotional articles and photos."

Posted by: TWHM | May 31, 2018 1:35:21 AM | 74

A very unpolitically correctl thought was born in my mind. Skripals and Babchenko - same story. In both cases it was faked to accuse Russia of an imaginary murder. It's a thought, just an idea, that might be correct.

Posted by: DidierF | May 31, 2018 1:40:50 AM | 75

Hard to know where to start with this one.

I agree with b that this does have a weakening influence on the power of propaganda.

Emily Dickinson @38 especially is great: Propaganda is easy if no one thinks it's propaganda

And with others - lots of great comments here - who point to the increasingly blatant approach of the powerful as their veils tear. Why is this happening? Was the carelessness always at this level, and now we see it more clearly because the narrative is under more forensic scrutiny? Or is the street action getting more rude because someone thinks they have to turn the heat up?

Of the two, I suspect nothing is changing except consumer demand is shrinking. Corruption, I think, doesn't have a way to change. All the institutions are corrupt, which means they're all locked into only one way of doing things. They can't change. What they now end up doing is teach us how their fabrications work, and to show us how saturated in corruption they are.

I do believe this has an effect. I'm quite sure we live in an interdependent and superbly fluid universe, where even quantum physics can show that phenomena are affected simply by being observed. If it happens on such a subtle and microcosmic plane, it happens for sure on this gross one at the surface.

So I call this a net good. And part of it is due to us. Everything we're doing in this discussion thread has an effect. Carry on!

Posted by: Grieved | May 31, 2018 1:53:38 AM | 76

Babchenko is known for his Russophobic bravado. Here’s two examples.

In an October 2017 interview with the 112 Ukraine TV channel, when asked about a possible future return to Russia, he replied:

“I think my return will look like this. There’s a column of U.S. Abrams tanks on Tverskaya Street. I’m sitting on the third tank, on top of it, with my camera. We arrive at the Kremlin and begin to distribute canned stew to hungry Muscovites. They all tell us: ‘No, no, we didn’t support Putin, we knew nothing, we are good people’. I think it’s going to go like that.”

(Video, in Russian.)

In April 2018, he participated in a panel discussion at the 5th Forum of Free Russia held in Vilnius, Lithuania. Vytautas Landsbergis asked the participants whether they had a plan to deal with the reaction of “Russian fascism” to the “inevitable” break-up of “the bloody power” (Russia). Babchenko gave the following answer:

“For me personally, the optimal scenario would be to have 10 appanage principalities in place of this giant bloody monster. They’d settle their business among themselves, wage war against each other, but they wouldn’t poke their noses beyond the border anymore. I would be entirely satisfied with that. Then I would retire from my opposition and war correspondent activities and start writing books for children. For me, that would be the best scenario.”

(Video, in Russian.)

As a sidenote, even if all national republics of Russia became independent (including Sakha Republic), Russia would still remain the largest country in the world and have a population of 117 million. The “giant monster” problem bothering Russophobes and their sponsors would not go away. That’s why Babchenko speaks of “appanage principalities” — he wants ethnic Russians to live in multiple independent states. Some of the (entirely artificial) proposed states are Cossackia (listed among “Captive Nations”), Ingria, Pomorye, the Siberian Republic, and the Far Eastern Republic.

Posted by: S | May 31, 2018 1:55:58 AM | 77

In a utopia, this would be farce. As we stand, as a people primed by fiction and fiction only, it's a compelling, enthusiastic call to arms. Every western Buzzfeed type is spinning this as "crafty Ukrainians foil the evil Putin again". The "intelligentsia" of the US coastal elite is again apopleptic over the prowess of their Nazi pets in Ukraine. Mannequin Challenge, indeed.

Interesting that this Babs apparently soured on Russia whilst massacring Chechens, but being of Ukrainian descent who knows what actually "turned" him. He looks exactly like my skinhead boyfriend from high school, but I digress. Stepan Bander-it.

No one at this point can deny that the whole shit is garishly interconnected, at home and abroad. From the CIA's own expat in the region framing his nephews for one of the most heinous terror attacks in US history(Uncle Tsarni), to every single crime of the neo-nazi/zionist(!) Ukrainian putsch government, where the first ethnically Jewish "president" of Ukraine has now debased himself into participating in some sort of guerrilla sting operation for NATO.. I mean someone has already made the point, but it's clearly a fool's pageant, unconcerned with the minority, actual human opinion.

Posted by: sejomoje | May 31, 2018 2:18:42 AM | 78

I think we can agree by now that this guy was turned by the US at some point, either while in Chechnya or during his deployment in the mock-war in South Ossetia/Abkhazia. I always figured that some dirt would come from that, that some unscrupulous, disloyal fuck would switch sides for filthy lucre and behold here we are with this "Babs", one false flag spear tip among many, for WW3. His 6 adopted kids must be beaming with pride, their daddy is cooler than even James Bond right now.

Posted by: sejomoje | May 31, 2018 2:30:12 AM | 79

Should be accompanied by loud rap-music from House of Pain. The House of Pain!!

Posted by: Mishko | May 31, 2018 2:36:18 AM | 80

@sejomoje: The guy was gradually turning more and more critical of Russia over the years, until he crossed the line of reason and became what he is today: an anti-Russian fanatic, or a Russophobe. I don't think he was bribed or recruited. It is only natural that rabidly anti-Russian people eventually end up working at Russian opposition media outlets like Novaya Gazeta, Ekho Moskvy, Dozhd, Meduza; Western government-funded Russian-language media outlets like the various RFE/RL projects (Radio Liberty, Current Time, Krym.Realii, Idel.Realii, etc.), DW Russian, BBC Russian; Western-funded dual-purpose NGOs; Western embassies (as local employees).

Posted by: S | May 31, 2018 2:50:52 AM | 81

Has anyone considered that Babchenko may be a deep spy for Putin? ;) Just kidding.

Posted by: et Al | May 31, 2018 3:39:36 AM | 82

I wish. That assumes that the majority of citizens expects "truth" rather than "supporting our narrative". I have serious doubts....

@54 Piotr

When the narrative becomes a parody of itself, all that is left is to admit it. True, it can take quite some time or more likely disappears down the memory hole.

For all the schturm un drang they make about Russia and sanctions, the West seems surprisingly reticent to plonk down very serious amounts of cold, hard cash to match their rhetoric. They're all doing it on the cheap and they know it.

Again, it is omission of logical steps that stands out. They haven't hit high value, high tech aerospace/satellites stuff for example that might seriously cost western companies, instead all the low-hanging fruit and screwing some smaller companies*.

GE still has its industrial turbine business in Russia providing servicing for Russia's energy industry. What about Sweden for example? Despite the Swedish government's updated 'what to do if the Red Army turns up on your doorstep' guide being sent to every household, IKEA is still investing in a big expansion in Russia and are currently building a 'MEGA' ikea in Chelyabinsk this year. The list goes on and on. It's all there if you look but the Russophobes don't want to. Narrative, innit?

* https://www.bbc.com/news/business-30209319
I heard the radio report of this at the time which was more extensive (might have been part of World in Business) and the MD said that they were banned from sending Russia the R&D and resultant technology already paid for.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/russian-sanctions-lead-70-job-13711468

Posted by: et Al | May 31, 2018 4:26:49 AM | 83

Someone used the word "garish". Nice one. That fits, not only this situation, but the world situation in general. Someone said "unhinged". That too is well said. Another person seems to have invented a word, "permadeath". That is another nice one. From Osama, to Al-Baghdadi, to the Skripals, to this guy ... nine lives seems to be standard issue now.

Posted by: paul | May 31, 2018 5:31:07 AM | 84

Screwing up the Skripal and Babchenko affairs?
The objectives were never to kill anyone, but to give reasons to blame Russia.
No-one died, hence they can be wheeled out of storage any time to replay the story and reinforce the propaganda. It is all so transparent. The west benefits from this and Russia does not.
When it comes to shooting oneself in the foot (and blaming someone else), I think the west does it better than Russia.

Posted by: Kaiama | May 31, 2018 10:33:05 AM | 85

Can't wait to see the film
I think I heard the term (probably at Moa)
'Malice in wonderland' that's got to be the title! And then- 1,2 ,3 & 4
Bit like rocky, let's hope the good guy wins ! Oscars? No chance!!!

Posted by: Mark2 | May 31, 2018 11:18:01 AM | 86

Posted by: Pnyx | May 30, 2018 5:02:48 PM | 34

Steinmeier has now been "deceived" twice. First time when he tried to negotiate with Yanokovich and people on Maidan were shot for the occasion.

Fool me once ... fool me twice ...

Social Democrats have a lack of spine in foreign policy.

Posted by: somebody | May 31, 2018 11:31:27 AM | 87

@paul #84

While flattered i can't take the credit. Perma(nent)Death is a standard term from computer/videogames.
In most games you have either "save game" slots, or the game is split into levels/stages/floors. Or both.
In the former case if your avatara dies you can just load the game from any save slot you filled recently. So, basically, you only loose some small achievments after last save was made. In the latter case you start the highest opened "stage", which is equivalent to auto-save in fixed plot points.
Anyway, the "death" of your avatara becomes cheap, your loss is very limited. In a sense you can easily revert the death.

Then there are very few games where you can not save mid-progress.
Then if you fail the only option is to start new game, creating new avatara and maybe new virtual world. You prior avatara and world once died remains dead, permanently.

That is the source of the term.
It is catchy, indeed. But i am not the inventor. Sigh...

Posted by: Arioch | May 31, 2018 3:54:13 PM | 88

Good one B! The Beeb ran it extensively but left out all the Russians did it stuff!

Posted by: William Bowles | May 31, 2018 4:07:54 PM | 89

@mark2 #86 "Malice in wonderland" was a one time rock band/album in the late 1970s after Deep Purple dissolution. It has a couple of good songs, more of nitty/naughty kind than some break-through music or something. So, the project withered.

Perhaps they borrowed the title from some proverb, from some meme, to speak today jargon.

Posted by: Arioch | May 31, 2018 4:09:15 PM | 90

https://genius.com/Paice-ashton-lord-malice-in-wonderland-lyrics
https://genius.com/Paice-ashton-lord-ghost-story-lyrics

Those songs from MiW album, mix of surreal and sardonic.
Maybe they really match today "circus of the absurd"...

Posted by: Arioch | May 31, 2018 4:16:30 PM | 91

“So, Sergei. I need you to eliminate a troublesome former double agent. He hasn’t actually done much for years and even though the timing is pretty bad for us, it has to be done straight away. His daughter is joining him from Moscow, so there is a risk of collateral damage, but it can’t be helped. Orders come from the very top.” “Certainly Colonel. How do you want it done? Heart attack whilst jogging? Hang himself in his wardrobe? Or a bit more flashy perhaps? A fall out of a high window onto some railings? We could do the old big lorry crushes the car technique, but that doesn’t always guarantee a result.” “ No Sergei, this needs to be public and everyone needs to know it is us, not some Bratva types.” “Ah, Ok. Pollonium then with a very weak denial? Or how about zipped up and padlocked in a sports bag and left in his own bath, leaving the Brits to claim it was a weird sex game? Nothing says FSO like a body in a bag”. “No, Sergei, we are going to use a previously unheard of nerve agent developed in the Soviet Union in the 1980s. Fortunately the double agent lives near to the British chemical weapons research centre so that they can quickly blame us. It doesn’t matter it was made in Kazakhstan in a factory dismantled by the Americans and that the formula is on the internet, we’ll be blamed instantly.” “Certainly Colonel, are we worried about British subjects as collateral damage? Is it done by aerosol?” “No Sergei, it is much to toxic for that. Ten times as powerful as VX, the stuff that did for the North Korean. And it’s not very stable. No we want you to administer it by smearing it on the door to his house on the basis that he will be the only one to touch it.” “Perhaps we could put it on the door handle of his car Sir? On the driver’s side. Less chance the daughter gets it instead?” “Don’t be ridiculous Sergei, what if it gets washed off in the rain? It is March you know. In England. No we can’t take any risks, this needs to be done properly”. “Certainly Colonel”

Posted by: Mark T | May 31, 2018 11:30:27 PM | 92

i think being simplistic, its all nicely working out to discredit the already laughable western media, something i abandoned a long time ago. After binning my shit tube and not buying a newspaper for about 10 years, i'm well and truly free of their influence.

Unfortunately there are far too many gullible people out there who still believe the bullshit. And they are at all levels of society and so called intelligence.

After being freed from this influence i feel that it's liberating and also something the government fears, after all their wizard of oz type control is slipping because of the internet, and i feel like i've peeked through the curtain, unfortunatly too many people can't even find it.

Posted by: Bill Hanson | Jun 4, 2018 7:18:05 AM | 93

This is just adding to the pile of propaganda against Russia that Ukraine has created.
I remember when Ukrainian consistently cried wolf about Russian invasion, and Russian troops, and Russian soldiers, and Russian tanks. Which obviously must have some amazing super powers because for the years that they have been invading on daily basis, not one photo or video. No. I lied. There was a photo of tanks, presented by Kiev which was dubbed as "unquestionable proof" of Russian invasion, to US Senate and NATO which turned out to have been taken back in 2008.
Think about this carefully....a government, knowingly presented pictures that were taken in 2008 as proof of Russian invasion. So they either wanted to implicate Russia (prob for another round of IMF funds) or they did not do their research and jumped on the news just like they did with these two.
On top of that, the recording of the conversation that Kiev "intercepted" and presented to the media which supposedly has the rebels pretty much admitting to downing of MH17, also turned out fake and cut and paste from multiple phone conversations.
Again...."undeniable" proof presented by Kiev government to tar Russia. So we are what..4 for 4 at this point? But I am glad that people are starting to question. What I am upset about is that it took years. I guess better late than never.

Posted by: Amun | Jun 18, 2018 10:28:30 AM | 94

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