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April 08, 2018

Syria - Timelines Of 'Gas Attacks' Follow A Similar Scheme (Update II)

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An alleged new 'chemical incident' in Syria reminds of a similar series of events we saw last year. We are told to believe that each time the U.S. pulls back from the war on Syria the Syrian government is responding with a 'chemical attack' that pulls the U.S. back in.

March 30 2017
U.S. priority on Syria no longer focused on 'getting Assad out': Haley

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The United States’ diplomatic policy on Syria for now is no longer focused on making the war-torn country’s president, Bashar al-Assad, leave power, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said on Thursday, in a departure from the Obama administration’s initial and public stance on Assad’s fate.

April 4 2017
Suspected gas attack in Syria reportedly kills dozens

World leaders expressed shock and outrage Tuesday at reports of a suspected chemical attack in northwestern Syria that killed scores of civilians, with one UK official suggesting the incident amounted to a war crime.

April 7 2017
Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles

The U.S. military attacked a Syria-government airfield with 59 Tomahawk missiles on Thursday evening.

April 10 2017
US envoy Nikki Haley says Syria regime change is inevitable

The US ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, has told CNN that removing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power is a priority, cementing an extraordinary U-turn in the Trump administration's stance on the embattled leader.

The Khan Sheikhun incident had been faked. An international investigation found that half of the alleged casualties arrived in hospitals before the incident was said to have happened. Nothing followed after Haley's last announcement. The administration was apparently not willing to go beyond the one-off strike. The flip-flop was attributed to confusion or infighting within the Trump administration.

A year later the exactly same development can be observed.

March 29 2018
Trump says US will withdraw from Syria 'very soon'

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump said Thursday that the US would "be coming out of Syria like very soon," just hours after the Pentagon highlighted the need for US troops to remain in the country for the immediate future. "We're knocking the hell out of ISIS. We'll be coming out of Syria like very soon. Let the other people take care of it now," Trump told supporters at an Ohio event on infrastructure.

April 7 2018
Syria poison gas attack kills at least 40, activists and medics say

A poison gas attack late Saturday on a rebel-held town near Syria's capital has killed at least 40 people, activists, rescuers and medics said.

April 7 2018
U.S. State Department On the Chemical Attack in Douma

We continue to closely follow disturbing reports on April 7 regarding another alleged chemical weapons attack, this time targeting a hospital in Douma, Syria. Reports from a number of contacts and medical personnel on the ground indicate a potentially high number of casualties, including among families hiding in shelters. These reports, if confirmed, are horrifying and demand an immediate response by the international community.

April 8 2018
Donald J. Trump

Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price...
....to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification. Another humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever. SICK!

...


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Over the last months the Syrian army secured 90% of 'rebel' enclave in east-Ghouta right next to  the Syrian capital Damascus. Only the town of Douma, held by the Saudi financed Salafist Takfiris of Jaish al-Isalm, was left in enemy hands. Negotiations about an evacuation of the terrorist were ongoing. At one point last week the hard core leaders of Jaish al-Islam pulled their negotiators back from the talks and reportedly executed them. Jaish al-Islam wanted to essentially stay in place and keep all its weapons. The Russian negotiators did not agree with this. On Friday the negotiations failed.

Barrages of missiles and grenades from Douma hit Damascus. The 'rebel' supporting Syrian Observatory reported of several killed in Damascus and dozens of wounded. The Syrian army hit back with intensive air strikes and artillery fire on Douma.

The terrorist in Douma hold several thousand of hostages who were abducted in 2013 from the town of Adra. The prisoners were paraded around in cages. The abducted men were forced to dig the extensive tunnel network Jaish al-Isalm uses to hide its weapons and fighters.

Two years ago Jaish al-Islam admitted that it used chemical weapons against a Kurdish suburb of Aleppo. Just two days ago the Russian military command said that it detected 'rebel' preparations for new false flag gas attacks.

Now the terrorists and their supporters claim that a new "chemical weapon attack" happened and blame the Syrian government. A video of the alleged gas attack aftermath shows a basement with some 30 dead children between two and 10 years old. They seem to have suffocated, probably from carbon monoxyd. Astonishingly there are no dead women or men - only children under 10.

Russia, which has observers on the ground, rejects any claims of Syrian government involvement in the incident.

It is quite obvious that the "chemical weapon attack" is a false flag event. The terrorist commit the crime and blame the Syrian government. They want the U.S. to attack the Syrian government.

Will Trump fall for this stunt and attack Syria? Or had he and his minions planned this series of events all along?

Added:

Trump and the U.S. military claim to "fight ISIS" but have completely stopped doing so. There are some 3,000 ISIS fighter in east Syria near the border with Iraq. Most of these are north of the Euphrates where U.S. troops are stationed. If Syrian government troops cross the Euphrates northwards the U.S. attacks them. But ISIS can cross the Euphrates southward and launches large attacks on Syrian government positions in east Syria:

[I]n a surprise attack, the militants stormed Boukamal on Monday, triggering heavy fighting before Iranian-backed Shiite militias beat them out, according to a war monitoring group and Syrian opposition activists with connections to the region. Approximately 400 Islamic State fighters crossed the Euphrates River and ambushed the town, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group, killed 11 pro-government fighters in clashes, and losing five of their own.

From their desert territory, the ISIS militants have harassed forces at oil stations, as well, according to Mohammad al-Ayed, director of the Palmyra News Network.

Another group of ISIS fighters is in the south-eastern corner of Syria and under protection of U.S. forces stationed in al-Tanf, near Jordan.

Despite large concentrations of ISIS troops, air attacks of the U.S. coalition against ISIS have practically stopped.

US led Coalition strikes update

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Trump is playing theater to the crowd that wants the U.S. out of Syria. He claims that U.S. troops will leave soon. At the same time he is asking the Saudis to come up with $5 billion to pay for the U.S. 'service' of occupying a third country. Trump claims that he wants to eliminate ISIS, but the U.S. military is doing absolutely nothing to achieve such. On the contrary - it protects ISIS from Syrian government attacks.

Russia has troops embedded with every Syrian unit. Russia had warned that it will attack U.S. launching platforms, ships and air planes, should the U.S. strike at Syrian forces and thereby endanger its own soldiers.

Is Trump really willing to escalate towards that?

Update II

Elijah J. Magnier, currently in Syria, relates information about the attack on the T4 airbase in Syria a few hours ago:

  • 8 missiles launched against the T4 could be #Israeli attack. Jet heard over the Lebanese city of Baalbek. #Damascus said the missiles came from the south. Syrian air defence managed to intercept 3 missiles. #ISIS advanced towards Sabaa-Byar simultaneously with the missile attack.
  • The information coming from #Syria T4 military base report at least 6 killed and 12 wounded by the 8 #Tomahawk missiles launched in the last hours.
  • The T4 military airport is situated in the heart of al-Badiya and serves to deal mainly with #ISIS pocket
  • In my [April 1] article I said Israel won't accept the ROE despite #Israel Chief of State - I would say tactical - denial: Israel won’t leave the Syrian sky alone and Damascus is ready for confrontation
  • The number/type of missiles launched against the military airport called T4 situated in rural #Homs and the count of casualties need to be confirmed. In few hours, #Damascus will issue a communiqué offering its version in details.
  • Many #Syrians celebrate #Israel attack against their own country. This is what #Assad #Iran and #Hezbollah are mainly fighting along with takfiree.
  • T4 military airport supports Deir-Ezzour & al-Badiyah battle against #ISIS. It is unrelated to "#Hezbollah supply of weapons". The attack is directly related to #Israel unwilling to see the end of the war in #Syria. Israel supports Jihadists in the south.
  • Because #USA #UK #France can't look weak and not bomb the #Syrian army in response to the "chemical attack" claim/staged in #Ghouta... Because #Russia can't look weak and not respond... Maybe the T4 #Isrtaeli attack is a compromise to halt a wider war?

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There apparently is no limit to the number of lies that Americans will believe, as long as they are told to them by their government.

Posted by: Qualtrough | Apr 8, 2018 6:48:54 AM | 1

I have the feeling that Russia is loosing patience, and if the US try something it will be big trouble. The speed with which Ghouta was taken caused problems for the West. I hope Russia will clean up Syria quickly; I think we are approaching a decisive moment.

Posted by: cdvision | Apr 8, 2018 6:53:42 AM | 2

All of these world leaders walk in lockstep together following the script handed to them. I would leave Damascus in a hurry if I was living there.The Zionists want to fulfil Isaiah 17.

Posted by: DENNIS RHODES | Apr 8, 2018 7:24:43 AM | 3

now we know why the skripals happened. the west is now, today, intent on russia's destruction. putin 'dies' or the west dies. not since the 1950's era of hiding under desks in elementary school have i felt as though i am living in the 'end times.'

Posted by: bolasete | Apr 8, 2018 7:35:07 AM | 4

If Trump possesses one talent it must surely be the ability to spot a Con Artist pulling a fast one.

If he can't connect the same dots that b has just done then Trump has to be an idiot, and I don't for a second believe that he is an idiot.

Surely this is a golden opportunity for Trump to go off-script and shaft those who are trying to con him.

All it would take is one twitter post from him stating that only an dimwit would fall for such an obvious trap, and he will turn the tables on anyone who shouts that The USA Must Do Something About This!!!!!

Trump's retort would be devastating: there ya' go, Dimwit Number One.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 8, 2018 7:45:54 AM | 5

Just one thing that I should point out: the Syrian Observatory is NOT claiming that there has been a chemical weapons attack on Douma.

It is claiming that there have been excessive civilian deaths, sure, including a large number who have suffocated in their shelters.

But the claim that those suffocations were the result of chlorine attack is being made by the white helmets, not (at least so far) by the SOHR.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 8, 2018 8:12:22 AM | 6

World Cup starts on June 14. Do you really think Putin/Russia will do anything to jeopardize the hosting of that event this close to the finish line?

I really doubt it.

Who in Russia would be held responsible if a conflict started and the World Cup in Russia was cancelled??

Which Russian politician would be blamed by the people???

Putin will do nothing and will not be provoked. Do you know the best time to respond? It is actually during the World Cup when hundreds of thousands of EU and foreign nationals will be in Russia - effectively hostages that prevent the West taking over action against Russia - yep, it's that simple.

The best time for Putin to respond to a Western provocation isn't now, it's when he effectively has hundreds of thousands of Western hostages in his country - June/July.

Posted by: Julian | Apr 8, 2018 8:24:27 AM | 7

Yeah/7
For White Helmets read Britain.
They are British created, funded and operated.
May's Government has to be deep in this as well.
Never forget that May, Cameron and other conservative MPs crossed the floor of parliament and voted for Blair and the illegal attack on Iraq when Labour MPs refused to support him.
Without Theresa May and David Cameron, Blair wouldn't have had the authority to attack.
The Iraqi blood is on her hands.
And Libyan blood.
And Syrian blood.
And now Salisbury and this.
The woman is a dangerous psychopath.

Posted by: Emily | Apr 8, 2018 8:28:21 AM | 8

I hope that this "news" will just fade away.

Sad fact is that whatever Russians say or do it doesn't really matter anymore.
A narrative and a rhetoric coming from the US is now at the so low level that any diplomatic
language or a talk is rendered obsolete.

UK will trumpet this as there is no tomorrow while Skripal case is, in their eyes, hopefully blurring away
Or so they might think.

I also think that is is not up to Trump, but more off to a military and the dark powers around Trump, that he doesn't really understand, to decide what is happing next. If anything.

Posted by: laserlurk | Apr 8, 2018 8:29:40 AM | 9

@8, that is impossible. There is no way Russia will harm any of the soccer fans or stop them from leaving if they choose to leave.

The hostage here is the world cup itself, just as the 2014 Olympics were. And in retrospect it was probably a mistake for Russia to host them, but then who could have predicted all this back in 2007 or 8?

At any rate, Russia should resist provocations games or not. Retaliation, if any, should be covert and deniable. Unless the west is dumb enough to openly attack Russian forces. Then a hammer blow to the face is appropriate.

Posted by: lysander | Apr 8, 2018 8:49:04 AM | 10

By popular demand -----

I have been inundated by a chorus of complaints that a ban on "comments" is stifling SST. I yield. pl

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/by-popular-demand-.html

Posted by: et Al | Apr 8, 2018 8:55:04 AM | 11

Re: Posted by: lysander | Apr 8, 2018 8:49:04 AM | 11

With due respect I think you misunderstand what I'm saying about 'hostages'.

If there was such a FF 'gas attack' as we have just seen in Syria while the World Cup was on and the US/UK response (as we've heard previously from Russian/Syrian sources) was to initiate strikes against Syrian Government installations, and then Russia has promised to respond if any of their personnel were killed in these strikes the Russians reserve the right (as they have repeatedly started) to strike back against any US/UK targets responsible for the strikes - ie - shooting US/UK planes out of the sky or sinking US/UK warships, destroyers or carriers in the Eastern Mediterranean.

If that level of escalation were to occur (and take note I'm not saying it will because I don't believe Putin will take this bait), but if it were, where could the escalation lead on the part of the US/UK??

Could it lead to Western military strikes of some sort or another?

Could it do that next week? Maybe.

Could it do that while Russia is hosting the World Cup worth hundreds of thousands of Western nationals in Russia? Of course not. The Western route of escalation is therefore blunted while the World Cup is being hosted while there is no such barrier on Russian response to Western provocation while the World Cup is being hosted.

Ie - if Russia did respond to US/UK strikes against Syria whilst the World Cup was being hosted by sinking a couple of US destroyers, what would happen then?

Posted by: Julian | Apr 8, 2018 9:00:56 AM | 12

Given the level of Western insanity and the frequency of the outrages being perpetrated,
I don't think we will have to wait several months to see all hell break loose.

Posted by: Perimtr | Apr 8, 2018 9:27:18 AM | 13

Interfax

04/08 15:30 Russian Foreign Ministry warning: Military intervention in Syria under fabricated pretexts can have gravest consequences

Posted by: b | Apr 8, 2018 9:38:31 AM | 14

WaPo and NYT led the way on this story at news.google. WaPo said that Washington based non-profit Syrian-American Medical Society (SAMS) issued a joint statement with "opposition-linked Civil Defense" (the usual suspects - The White Helmets). There are lots of details on the attacks and damage at Douma but only a tiny mention that Jaish al-Islam launched rockets into densely populated Damascus. Why are there no reports of death and damage in those areas? And where did SAMS come from?

Posted by: Curtis | Apr 8, 2018 9:41:31 AM | 15

Worth to check out - East Ghouta, Syria. Report of Chinese analysts examined by Russian leading Middle East expert (UK/US military advisers in Syria, "Skripal case" hysteria etc.)

https://vimeo.com/263728681

Posted by: alaff | Apr 8, 2018 9:45:39 AM | 16

bolasete 4 re: end times
(though I hate to quote from Marvel/DC movie-verse) ...
Batman: We tend to act like the Doomsday Clock has a snooze button.

Posted by: Curtis | Apr 8, 2018 9:47:37 AM | 17

This is Trump's big chance to redeem himself with the U.S. military ( after "mindlessly" declaring his wish to leave Syria and the entire area ) and get down on his knees and suck Pentagon cock. He will obligingly do this ( as his girlfriends and wife do for him ) and "allow " ( as if he has a choice ) the U.S. war machine, to which he has conceded all civilian control, to respond to the obviously faked and staged false flag chemical attack, in any way they see fit. Russia has already announced that if their troops in Syria are attacked they will respond by Removing the source of that attack, i.e., sinking the ship that launched the missiles. So the U.S. military has lit the fuse and as has worried all of us for a very long time : God only knows where this is headed.

Posted by: che | Apr 8, 2018 9:57:26 AM | 18

These areas are intensely scrutinized by the Russians and the SAA, drones, satellite. It would be good to get some footage of the White Helmets staging this, but of course they are embedded with all the rest of the fighting men elsewhere and are never anywhere near where all the children tend to be targeted.

It's anybody's guess with Trump, remember he said he liked the element of surprise, well, it's hard to spring a surprise when the MSM, in Europe particularly, is literally screaming for a military response with top page headlines.

It was interesting last night watching various outlets over there and how from a seedling article, a little sidebar headline no pics, then came a weed of propaganda, they began every 3-4 hours nudging it to the top and the accusations got wilder and and wilder, ie calling it a 'nerve agent'...

Posted by: Gravatomic | Apr 8, 2018 9:57:51 AM | 19

I think the fog is clearing on Trump's thoughts on the matter with his fierce tweet storm mentioning "Animal Assad."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-08/trump-threatens-assad-putin-over-syrian-chemical-attack-russia-warns-gravest

This is starting to get serious.

Commenting is now turned back on at SST, look forward to b and others commenting there again. I think the whole idea there was to be like the Louis Rukeyser show in the old days, genteel host and guests, just an opinion, didn't work out.

Posted by: morongobill | Apr 8, 2018 9:58:35 AM | 20

Excelent!

Posted by: Fernando Arauxo | Apr 8, 2018 10:01:26 AM | 21

I am confident that JAYSH was not going to negotiate, until after they had finished the "job" for their paymasters...once that was completed, they are ready to negotiate again...I would recomment not negotiating with Jaysh until the hostages have been released...I think their attitude will change quickly now that they are surrounded and no escape/rescue is possible...i wonder how many state agents are stuck inside douma? going to be very embarassing...and it sounds like SAA has a few in custody already...

regards

OY

Posted by: oldenyoung | Apr 8, 2018 10:07:22 AM | 22

Posted by: b | Apr 8, 2018 9:38:31 AM | 14

Yep, that is how WWIII starts, if they continue like this.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 8, 2018 10:09:04 AM | 23

"I think the fog is clearing on Trump's thoughts on the matter with his fierce tweet storm mentioning "Animal Assad.""

But The Donald is saying that there are women and children amongst those affected by the supposed attack, but other sites are reporting on the astonishing fact that there are only children in the broadcast footage..what amount to a staged play like that of Goutha years ago...

Posted by: Sasha S | Apr 8, 2018 10:09:06 AM | 24

@ Julian, 12.

I think I understand your post better now, thanks for the clarification. I'm not sure that it makes a difference where the tourists are if I understand your 2nd comment correctly. If envision an escalation to full on war, then it really doesn't matter if the soccer fans are at home getting disintegrated by Russian nukes or in Russia getting disintegrated by American nukes.

So might as well wait until the finals.

Posted by: lysander | Apr 8, 2018 10:23:37 AM | 25

July 16, 2017. Newswire.

CIA Director Admits Fooling Trump Over Syrian Chemical Weapons Story (…)

The false flag attack, which actually originated from CIA rebel groups in the region, resulted in Trump launching Tomahawk missiles into Syria, killing 15 civilians.

Posted because of some interest despite misleading title and dubious source.

http://yournewswire.com/cia-trump-syria-chemical-weapons/

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 8, 2018 10:25:31 AM | 26

@19 Traffic down most likely. Hard to see the colonel retiring gracefully. Let's see how long he lasts this time....he makes a great target.

Posted by: dh | Apr 8, 2018 10:26:22 AM | 27

Let's look on the bright side.

SecDef Mattis is a key player in this drama. Mattis didn't buy the fake attack a year ago which no doubt contributed to the flashy but ineffective US response. Putting the blame for this latest fake attack on Russia and Iran (a difference this time) suggests an asymmetric non-military response, one designed to grab headlines and then be forgotten. Trump has sanctioned Russia three times in the past month and bragged about it, so Putin is now his go-to enemy when fake news arises. That Trump strategy (or lack of it) strengthens Russia domestically and internationally, especially with China, so it works for Putin.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 8, 2018 10:31:06 AM | 28

Excellent reporting – as always – from Vanessa Beeley on the ground. Several posts from
Vanessa Beeley in Ghouta and Damascus

Posted by: Carrie | Apr 8, 2018 10:35:37 AM | 29

Perhaps the British false flag poisoning may have a dampening effect on world reaction to this false flag. There are many governments with egg on their face after rushing to throw out the russ diplomats.

Posted by: Breadonwaters | Apr 8, 2018 10:36:44 AM | 30

Thanks for the reporting b.

It is looking like positions are hardening on both sides. Lets hope the bully side loses.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 8, 2018 10:38:16 AM | 31

RE: World cup and potential hot war

Affluent Anglo Soccer guests in Russia would be need be detained for their own safety - a kind of twist on R2P. Very embarrassing for elite US, UK, EU jet-setting soccer fans to be detained for an indeterminate period. But for their own safety! Here, enjoy your borscht and caviar.

Posted by: fast freddy | Apr 8, 2018 10:42:14 AM | 32

re: SST
"17 million page views for SST and gone -- I am leaving you. Guest authors, commenters and the various troll nations may continue if you wish. I may start another blog under "Pat Lang's Blog" but there will not be comments. pl" -- Jun 8, 2017

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 8, 2018 10:42:40 AM | 33

The SAA launching a chemical attack on Douma makes no sense. The intention with chemical weapons was to deny areas of land to opposing forces. Now that most modern armies are supplied with effective protection against chemical weapons for individuals and vehicles, area denial no longer works except to the extent that wearing chemical protection suits hinders movement but this applies to both sides so nobody benefits and nobody loses.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Apr 8, 2018 10:47:01 AM | 34

I am afraid.

Have not been this afraid since election night when Hillary was almost elected.
The world lucked out and survived to live another day.

Has our luck run out?

Posted by: librul | Apr 8, 2018 10:49:09 AM | 35

Sigh, here we go again, just like Skripal case, west acts with propagand and psyops without any evidence,
the stupid TRUMP will of course bomb Syria again along with the disgusting Macron cheered by EU and western media.

Posted by: Anon | Apr 8, 2018 10:50:55 AM | 36

che 18

That is the most plausible scenario.

The "intensity" of the US "response" to the False Flag gas (always gas!) attack. remains to be seen.

Pummeling airstrips are generally good stagecraft/showmanship and little else. Airstrips are quickly repaired and back up to speed in short order.

Posted by: fast freddy | Apr 8, 2018 10:55:05 AM | 37

May be coincidental (not) but John Bolton takes his seat as the National Security Advisor tomorrow. I wonder if Ramjet will take his proton pill?

Posted by: M | Apr 8, 2018 10:55:42 AM | 38

No gas attack says SOHR
Syrian Gov't: Rebels to Give Up Last Ghouta Suburb

Beirut (AP) -- An alleged gas attack killed at least 40 people in the eastern suburbs of Damascus, as Syrian rebels agreed to give up their last foothold in the area, medics and state media reported on Sunday.

...

Meanwhile, state news agency SANA said the Army of Islam group agreed to leave Douma on Sunday, after three days of intensive government shelling and bombardment.

...
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 80 people were killed in Douma on Saturday, including around 40 who died from suffocation. But it said the suffocations were the result of shelters collapsing on people inside them.

"Until this minute, no one has been able to find out the kind of agent that was used," said Mahmoud, the White Helmets' spokesman, in a video statement from Syria.

Posted by: b | Apr 8, 2018 10:56:53 AM | 39

Remember this bullshit is a friggin reprise of what happend on 1 year ago!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Shayrat_missile_strike

"The 2017 Shayrat missile strike took place on the morning of 7 April 2017,[1][4] ..the strike was executed under responsibility of U.S. President Donald Trump, as a direct response to the Khan Shaykhun chemical attack that occurred on 4 Apri"

Give Syria S-400 damnit!

Posted by: Anon | Apr 8, 2018 10:59:08 AM | 40

miss match in timings damn it

the syria event production should have happened same day as bell pottinger salsbury thus creating another libya quick all in nato depleted uranium party.
with movie play and tv show timing and script and emotion are critical for engagement.
emotion is the gelling agent for consent that is why so many tv and radio news pundit are actor not journalist

Posted by: sermon | Apr 8, 2018 10:59:10 AM | 41

In the US when a murder occurs and a suspect apprehended there is a trial that can take weeks or months, and the prosecution and the defense present their expert Witnesses. Then at the end of all that a jury usually decides where the person is guilty or not. On the other hand, when a crime is alleged in another country far far away from the US, such as an alleged gas attack in Syria, within days we know exactly who is responsible and on that basis are willing to commit arms, troops and spend billions of dollars to kill people in large quantities and destroy a country. One would think that given the stakes involved a little bit more care might be taken.

Posted by: Qualtrough | Apr 8, 2018 11:00:00 AM | 42

"Gas" scares the bejesus out of rubes. Makes Great Drama. Triggers, then reinforces historical themes. "The fiend! He gassed his own people!" "Gas Chambers" (Cant' go there!).

If there's gas, well, by golly there's got to be a ham-handed, asymmetrical "response" (motherfocker of all bombs!) from the "International Community".

Posted by: fast freddy | Apr 8, 2018 11:02:01 AM | 43

Happy Easter to all our Orthodox Christian friends around the globe.

The message is 'never lose hope or live in fear'. Christ leads in this eternal battle against evil and Satan's minions.

This war has brought all civilizations of the land together. The dying civilization of the ocean will wreck havoc until it expires. There are many paths to that ruin.

Confronting the Son of God is assuredly one of them.

Naturally, the devils have chosen Orthodox Easter to launch this latest perfidy against Russia.


Posted by: Red Ryder | Apr 8, 2018 11:06:44 AM | 44

@morongobill #19. There is often a stark difference between what Trump says or tweets and what he actually does. Often he is speaking and acting for the benefit of various target audiences, sometimes on opposite sides, simultaneously. However, his bellicose response to the alleged chemical attacks in Syria is cause for worry. Trump is a bully, and he would not wish to appear weak by backing down from explicitly threatening rhetoric. Besides, he doesn't give a damn about killing Syrians or anyone else.

BTW, kudos to those who pegged the Skripal incident as prelude to some sort of chemical incident in Syria. It couldn't have been scripted better for a TV program. Oh, wait...

Posted by: Rob | Apr 8, 2018 11:06:52 AM | 45

Trump is so stupid its amazing, I have given up on this moron, not only does he threaten Russia and Syria but he threats to bomb again!


President Trump: Will Meet Putin Soon "To Discuss The Arms Race, Which Is Getting Out Of Control"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/03/20/president_trump_will_meet_putin_soon_to_discuss_the_arms_race_which_is_getting_out_of_control.html

Trump 'ideally' wants US troops out of Syria within 6 months
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/05/trump-ideally-wants-us-troops-out-syria-within-6-months.html

Posted by: Anon | Apr 8, 2018 11:10:21 AM | 46

Brilliant Wordsmithery:

Covfefe Normal Genius Trump discovers alliteration with "Animal Assad".

That's Dr. Animal Assad.

Posted by: fast freddy | Apr 8, 2018 11:10:27 AM | 47

Just a couple of days ago, the syrian observatory was aknowledging the hostages problem
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/295020.aspx
And 2 days ago bbc arabic was running a headline all day about russian mercenaries flow ti syria on regular commercial flights. There s a whole world out there in the propaganda addressed to arab viewers. No time to check if alarabiyya and aljazeera are now broadcasting the vids from duma 24/7 as they used to do

Posted by: Mina | Apr 8, 2018 11:11:08 AM | 48

The '666 government is urging a US military attack on Syria in response to the alleged chemical attack in Douma.

Since that would be likely to trigger a military conflict between the US and Russia, it also makes 666 involvement in the Salisbury story – which has played a major role in the demonisation of Russia and the formation of an international anti-Russian coalition – more likely.

“Construction Minister Yoav Galant, a former IDF major-general who is the security figure closest to Netanyahu, said ‘Assad is the angel of death’“. He seems to have got the Passover story seriously mixed up!

Surprise, surprise – Is𝐫aeli “opposition” leader Isaac Herzog also called for US military action against Syria.

“Z𝗂𝛐nist Union MK Nachman Shai demanded an emergency meeting of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee to discuss the readiness of the Is𝐫aeli Homefront for a Syrian chemical attack on Is𝐫ael.” Will that be the next false flag?

Posted by: n | Apr 8, 2018 11:11:18 AM | 49

Excellent write b. Sadly if the insane evilness in the US now in positions of power start the last war,,, right or wrong will no longer matter.

Posted by: ken | Apr 8, 2018 11:17:35 AM | 50

Trump is a like a wind-up doll in that he can be easily led astray due to his complete lack of knowledge of foreign and military affairs. Just tell him children have been "gassed" and he gets angry and wants to strike back. The super hawks can thus wind up him whenever they really need to him to do something stupid. (I mean, other than the normal stupid things he does all the time on his own.)

Posted by: WorldBLee | Apr 8, 2018 11:24:21 AM | 51

Fort Russ is reporting that Jaish al-Islam has agreed to leave Douma within the next 48 hours, and will release their hostages as a condition of this BUT they don't cite a source for this news: BREAKING: Jaish al-Islam agree to leave Duma within 48 hours

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 8, 2018 11:24:57 AM | 52

What will empire do now?

I don't see it as an Israel issue but a "who controls the tools of human exchange" issue that may be about to evolve.....or not

Certainly the entitlement of some folks will be affected by making finance a global public utility but I think that is a good thing....

Think of the potential of our species if we can evolve beyond the "social contract" we operate under currently....I am excited about the potential and measured about the chances of it all happening.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 8, 2018 11:30:07 AM | 53

we need to come together as a world community forget about yesterdays semite children of palastine slaughter and deal with animal assad and the more important children of ghouta

Israeli officials: U.S. must strike in Syria
“Assad is the angel of death, and the world would be better without him.”

The United States must attack the regime of Bashar Assad in Syria in response to the regime chemical gas strike on the Syrian town Douma that killed more than 70 people, Strategic Affairs and Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said Sunday.

Speaking on Army Radio, Erdan, who is Netanyahu’s number two in Likud, said he hoped US military action against the Assad regime would be taken again, as it was when the regime used chemical weapons against its people in the past.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israeli-officals-US-must-strike-in-Syria-549144

Posted by: n | Apr 8, 2018 11:30:39 AM | 54

@24 Noirette - thanks for that link to the story of how Pompeo gamed Trump into the missile launch (not to call it a "strike") against Syria last year. I must keep that one for reference.

Good that Trump got those tweets off his chest. We can rest easier now. I wonder if he ever will understand how he's being played by the people around him? His sentimentality seems to be a weakness they can easily leverage.

Nothing will happen, of course. As lysander suggests, Russia probably will inflict some covert pain on US interests, while as b reports the FM has already warned of consequences if the US should be stupid enough to do something overt. I really like lysander's image of the hammer blow to the face as Russian retaliation.

Friends, we are seeing the last days of false flags and the last days of the world caring about western propaganda. How many Russian diplomats are left for vassal nations to expel? How many times can the UK government disgrace itself, or Trump have a meltdown on Twitter - and nothing serious ever happens? How many times do we need to see a fleet turn back from Korea - even assuming it could find its way there in the first place - or US missiles fail to strike their targets, whether in Syria or Yemen?

The greater the bluster, the more crystalline the result of no-result appears to the cooler heads of the world. Which shows that even when the dog doesn't bark in the night, still the caravan moves on.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 8, 2018 11:42:43 AM | 55

The US media reports these attacks, based on information it gets from -- where? They give the names of organizations but don't reference any documents. Actually they are getting the information from a small US State Department office in Istanbul. Details follow--

(CNN) -- Several Syrian activist groups Saturday reported that a brutal attack on the remnants of the rebel-held city of Douma in Eastern Ghouta left dozens of civilians dead and scores wounded. The groups -- including the White Helmets, the Douma Coordination Committee and the Ghouta Media Center -- said toxic gas inside barrel bombs dropped by helicopters over Douma caused people to suffocate and choke.

White Helmets activities have been well documented.
Douma Coordination Committee - they have used twitter and facebook in the past, but those media are not used currently.
Ghouta Media Center -- "opposition-affiliated"

wiki -- The Local Coordination Committees of Syria started in March 2011
LCCSyria is financed by donations from individual supporters.[7] This is further facilitated by the "Adopt a Revolution" initiative.[8] Furthermore, the Office for Syrian Opposition Support, which itself was founded by the United States Department of State and Foreign and Commonwealth Office[9] and is funded by the Friends of Syria Group, provides "material support" and "training assistance" to the LCCs

fom The Telegraph, Aug 26, 2012
Britain and US plan a Syrian revolution from an innocuous office block in Istanbul

An underground network of Syrian opposition activists is receiving training and supplies of vital equipment from a combined American and British effort to forge an effective alternative to the Damascus regime.
Dozens of dissidents have been ferried out of Syria to be vetted for foreign backing. Recipients of the aid are given satellite communications and computers so that they can act as a local "hub" linking local activists and the outside world.The training takes place in an Istanbul district where handsome apartment blocks line the steep slopes and rooftop terraces boast views over the Golden Horn waterway.Behind closed doors the distractions of outdoor coffee shops and clothing boutiques gives way to power point displays charting the mayhem sweeping Syria.

The schemes are overseen by the US State Department's Office of Syrian Opposition Support (OSOS) and Foreign Office officials. America has set aside $25 million for political opponents of President Bashar al-Assad while Britain is granting £5 million to the cause of overthrowing the regime.

Victoria Nuland, the State Department spokesman, confirmed the OSOS programme last week and said its full effect would only be seen when President Assad leaves office. "There are groups inside and outside Syria beginning to plan for that day-after and beginning to plan for how they might quickly stand up at least that first stage of transition so that we could move on when Assad goes, because he will go." . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 8, 2018 11:45:09 AM | 56

@Noirette 24
Help me out here -- how did Pompeo admit fooling Trump?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 8, 2018 11:52:39 AM | 57

Posted by: et Al | Apr 8, 2018 8:55:04 AM | 11
(..inundated by a chorus...I yield. pl)

Commendably quick, forthright and unequivocal.
One imagines it wasn't easy.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 8, 2018 11:56:27 AM | 58

It's the comedy hour in Washington.

from The Hill

Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) tore into President Trump after he put blame on former President Obama following reports of a chemical attack in Syria.
"Dear @realDonaldTrump: Remember when you launched cruise missiles at a largely empty field in Syria? That unconstitutional act didn't do very much," Lieu tweeted.
"Remember when you said last week that US is leaving Syria in six months? So what is your plan? You're the President now. Remember?"

Trump took to Twitter Sunday to condemn the attacks and rail against Obama. "If President Obama had crossed his stated Red Line In The Sand, the Syrian disaster would have ended long ago! Animal Assad would have been history!" Trump tweeted, referring to Syrian President Bashar Assad. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 8, 2018 12:08:02 PM | 59

@49 "Just tell him children have been "gassed" and he gets angry and wants to strike back."

He does have a couple of options...neither very appealing.

He can ignore the 'gas attack' and be called callous and uncaring. He can hold off and ask for more evidence and get told he's soft on Putin/Assad.

Posted by: dh | Apr 8, 2018 12:15:59 PM | 60

Imho i find the us statement pretty "soft". "verification" is better than "russia/assad did it". i don't think the us is going to "strike". the military paradigm has changed. they know, we hope.

Posted by: Alain | Apr 8, 2018 12:16:43 PM | 61

Convenient timing to take the focus away for the IDF shooting Palestinian kids and journalist or the botched Skripal show. The new memo is Assad, gas, Iran, Russia, Putin - repeat.

Look everybody, over there!!!

You gotta hand it to these guys. They've perfected the art of fooling the masses very well.

Posted by: Zico | Apr 8, 2018 12:17:39 PM | 62

"Is Trump really willing to escalate towards that?"

More than likely willing and able to take it right up to the wire in the lead up to (and during)
the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia between 14 June to 15 July 2018.
Putin will be at his weakest. UK farce was just an appetizer.

Posted by: imo | Apr 8, 2018 12:18:53 PM | 63

State: "We continue to closely follow disturbing reports on April 7 " . . .which we write, and we decided this time to pile on Russia. . ."Russia has breached its commitments to the United Nations as a framework guarantor. It has betrayed the Chemical Weapons Convention . . . yadda yadda". . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 8, 2018 12:23:57 PM | 64

It is over. "Rebels" agreed to be deported to Idlib and release hostages.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 8, 2018 12:25:14 PM | 65

Alain

I think you are badly wrong, US, France have said they would strike weeks before this, and now it happens, they will strike.

Posted by: Anon | Apr 8, 2018 12:25:49 PM | 66

Here is a report about what is happening in Syria

DAMASCUS, April 8 (Xinhua) -- The Islam Army rebels will evacuate the Douma district east of Damascus and release the kidnapped people under a new deal reached Sunday with the Syrian government forces, state TV reported.

The priority of the new deal is the evacuation of the kidnapped people in the captivity of the Islam Army militants in Douma, the last rebel-held area in the Eastern Ghouta countryside of Damascus.

And the rebel group will evacuate Douma toward the rebel-held city of Jarablus in Aleppo province in northern Syria near the Turkish border.

Negotiations between the Islam Army militants and the Syrian government were renewed on Sunday about the situation in Douma after the militants asked to launch new negotiations with the government after they backed down on a previous deal that technically contained the same details in Douma.

The state TV said the Islam Army rebels, who have been in of Douma since 2012, have asked for negotiating with the Syrian government after two days of a wide-scale military offensive on Douma following the failure of the first agreement.

The Islam Army rebels backed down on the previous agreement with the Russians and the Syrian side for their evacuation from that district as well as rejecting to release thousands of kidnapped people.

The militants also launched mortar attacks on several residential areas inside Damascus.

A day earlier, the Syrian army stormed the frontlines of the Islam Army in Douma from farmlands east of that area amid a state of collapse and chaos among the militant group, according to state news agency SANA.

Douma was supposed to witness a similar destiny as other areas in the Eastern Ghouta, where 43,000 rebels and their families withdrew under a deal with the government toward rebel-held areas in northern Syria.

Three batches of the Islam Army and families withdrew from Douma recently, but as the fourth batch was preparing to leave, the agreement about Douma collapsed.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 8, 2018 12:38:49 PM | 67

Don Bacon, 55, Idk. link I posted seemed interesting enough.

There is no straight admission of course (re. > Pompeo fooling Trump) and the whole story may be made up,
but it has the the ring of truth in the sense that it fits with the US top echeleons are mired in dire,
multiple, crossed, struggles. The various factions of the US PTB are not unified, and fighting secretly under the radar,
there is no unified position from the US, so not from the UK either.

Ok?

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 8, 2018 12:40:51 PM | 68

@psychohistorian (67) Thanks very much for that posting of actual events on the ground in Douma. They are further reason to believe that the alleged chemical gas attack was not the work of the Syrian army. Clearly, the rebels were on the ropes and ready for a knockout blow. We must ask: What might the Syrian government have gained by poisoning civilians and incurring the wrath and condemnation of the "civilized" world? Absolutely nothing! From a military standpoint, it was completely unnecessary, and from a public relations standpoint, a predictable disaster. Hence, being rational actors, they would never have chosen to use chemical weapons under the circumstances. Why is this so hard for Western nations and their media to understand? The only reason that I can give is that it is in their interest not to understand. It does not comport with their agenda, which is to topple Assad and weaken Russia.

Posted by: Rob | Apr 8, 2018 1:10:36 PM | 69

"There apparently is no limit to the number of lies that Americans will believe, as long as they are told to them by their government."
Posted by: Qualtrough @1

My visiting sister-in-law just read the NY Times online headline about the supposed gas attack out loud to my other half and punctuated it with the comment: "they are sickos!" in reference to the Syrian government. (She is a brilliant woman with a high level position at one of the big Canadian banks).
I couldn't help myself and made the "if-you-believe-that-story_I-have-swampland-in-Florida-to-sell-you" comment. That caught her completely off guard. She said I was "crazy," to which I replied that she was crazy if she believed Assad would gas women and children when he was winning the war. She took refuge in the New York Times, asking me if I was calling the paper crazy. I replied that I don't think they are crazy, just deceptive. My other half intervened by giving me that look I know too well, which essentially said: "don't ruin the visit." I decided to stop pursuing the argument.
Both of them seem to have forgotten that I had predicted to all of my friends and family, prior to the invasion of Iraq in 2003, that the US would not find weapons of mass destruction there. I made that prediction based solely on the clearly coordinated and guarded, but emotionally-charged, language used by MSM sources in the lead-up to war.
It would appear, Qualtrough, that there is no limit to the lies Canadians will believe, either!

Posted by: Activist Potato | Apr 8, 2018 1:29:49 PM | 70

thanks b and thanks for the many insightful comments...

of course isis is being coddled by the west as a tool for the same agenda that has never been dropped... same deal the freaks in douma that are unwilling to negotiate... ditto oldenyoungs comments @22... don't worry oy - russia can see thru that..

@27 dh - yes.. we will see how long that lasts.. i made a comment, but it didn't show yet.. the guy is a crank at this point..

@30 Breadonwaters.. good point, but i wouldn't count on it.. the endless propaganda and false flags are relentless and i see no sign of it stopping.. maybe if the white helmets funding dried up, but that is highly unlikely as well..

@33 don bacon.. sst - 'as the stomach turns' a soap opera that periodically does or doesn't run..

@62 zico... i always ask the question 'what would israel want here?'...

Posted by: james | Apr 8, 2018 1:31:58 PM | 71

Is Trump about to have an interview with Mueller soon? Is he also trying to set up the US military to get a bloody nose in Syria? .. so that he can fire a few generals and to try and get back on his campaign promises about pulling back foreign wars?

Posted by: meme | Apr 8, 2018 1:33:55 PM | 72

@Noirette 68
Ok?
Weeelll, okay. . . I will continue to value your comments.
Probably the main point here is that the CIA can't be trusted, which in its history has resulted in several comeuppances, and should again.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 8, 2018 1:43:27 PM | 73

@71 It's just like old times over at SST james so behave yourself...at least the colonel is on the right side when it comes to fake gas attacks in Syria.

Posted by: dh | Apr 8, 2018 1:59:41 PM | 74

Does Trump really think Putin will accept his invitation to a Summit in DC? No, at this moment in time, Putin would be foolish to set foot outside Eurasia.

What's missing from the personal inventory of many English speaking people is the ability to think critically; nor do enough have the knowledge that their governments have lied to them umpteen numbers of times within their lifetime and have zero credibility along with the Propaganda System.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8, 2018 2:06:53 PM | 75

Pat Lang: "Animal" Assad? Our beloved president has once again been watching a bit too much TV news. Does it ever occur to him to pick up the secure phone and call the watch officer at CIA, NSA or wherever and ask if they think the news reports are correct?

Sure, Pat. If we can't trust the Intelligence Community, then whom can we trust? Our own lyin' eyes?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 8, 2018 2:09:25 PM | 76

Amazing. Absolutely amazing. There is a chance Assad did this- but here's also a chance he would walk in front of a moving train, or jump out of an airplane. The question is, why?

There's no military advantage to this. None.

On the other hand, there is stupendous value to terrorists to conduct a false flag attack.

Americans. Being played by a fiddle, like complete idiots, for... ever.

Posted by: Duglarri | Apr 8, 2018 2:11:20 PM | 77

Jumpin' Jaish Al-Islam is a gas gas gas.

There's pills for that, in bomb form.

Posted by: et Al | Apr 8, 2018 2:14:44 PM | 78

@70 Activist Potato

LOL, I feel your pain! Same here in Krautville. For the life of me, I can not reach even most of my closest family members in a meaningful way. This despite the fact that they are perfectly aware of my professional background. Ignorant statements from these people about 'Barrel Bombs' are the ones I find most hilarious or, rather, I loathe the most.

Posted by: Hmpf | Apr 8, 2018 2:19:44 PM | 79

As I recall, just a few weeks ago, the US was hitting the "Attack No.Ko." circuit hard. Not much came of it, as usual, and to what end DJT thinks these venting moments will lead, I don't have a clue. But it does follow that not much will come of this other than us plebs wondering why we have to live under this looming threat of annihilation. At the very least, maybe a few tomahawks will be unleashed on a few targetted shit-shacks which are being used by sheep herders. Wrong time to take a crap! The MSM needs a rating boost and exploding outhouses with a million-dollar tomahawk might be able to beat "American Idol" tonight. I'd tune in.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 8, 2018 2:26:02 PM | 80

Duh, here we go again. Syria with help of Russian aerospace forces are winning the war. Why use WMD that would invite US retaliation??????The discredited NeoCons are not happy with the state of Syria instigated war.Again regime is winning.... And lo and behold Trumpster called for withdrawal of US forces that are illegally occupying a sovereign country. What are the NeoCon /Likudniks e to do???.Well..... stage a false flag opps of course. Syria was always the low hanging fruit on way to war with Iran folks.........

Posted by: bruno | Apr 8, 2018 2:26:11 PM | 81

@ Activist Potato | 70
__________________________________

Your response to Qualtrough is all too familiar.

I live in a US East Coast suburb, and have close relatives who are highly-educated-- in fact, one is a career teacher/administrator and another works at a university. They're long-time New York Times subscribers, and trust it implicitly.

They're also stereotypical progressive-liberals, dogmatically fixated on the belief that the only road to political salvation leads through the Democratic Party, i.e. they reflexively vote for "lesser-evil" Democratic candidates, especially in federal elections, upon the theory that electing "more and better Democrats" represents incremental change for the better.

I spent Thanksgiving Day, 2016, with them. I was the only person in the family group who wasn't devastated by Hillary Clinton's loss to Donald Trump. One person lamented that she found herself unable to watch any TV news programs, or even read the Times, because it had become Trump-saturated.

But another guest-- also a well-educated professional-- expressed the opposite reaction; she said that she couldn't stop watching CNN (!) because she desperately wanted to understand "what happened". Now we know why Hillary's post-election book had that title!

They tend to regard any news or analysis incompatible with their NYT/CNN-dominated perspective as suspect or bogus; they are skeptical or superciliously dismissive of "alternative" sources of news and information, exactly in the way you describe.

Inferior newspapers have traditionally been described as "fishwrap", or something only fit to line the bottoms of birdcages.

The New York Times hews to a higher standard. It makes an excellent brainwrap, and a superb lining for the skull.

Posted by: Ort | Apr 8, 2018 2:40:34 PM | 82

@ karlof1 75

I think there would be great personal danger to VVP if he went to DC.

Posted by: spudski | Apr 8, 2018 2:54:17 PM | 83

spudski

Indeed, something Ive also thought about, I would never put my foot in the US if I were the leader of Russia.

I dont see them meeting now when Trump blow it over and over, Trump never seems to learn or he doesnt care, maybe the generals, and state dep. is in charge of the foreign policy. Hes just a puppet?

Posted by: Anon | Apr 8, 2018 3:04:54 PM | 84


White Helmets and the Mannequin Challenge. Something to remember at times like these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgl271A6LgQ

Posted by: daffyDuct | Apr 8, 2018 3:13:15 PM | 85

Regardless of who makes the decisions in the US, I seriously doubt that the Russians will back down from their thrice stated threat of direct retaliation against US forces, should the US hit Russian military personnel. The Russian red line has clearly been drawn and if the US crazies choose to cross it, look out.

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 8, 2018 3:15:04 PM | 86

I watched the Security Counsel meeting the other day and I thought Russia really blew it. The Russian ambassador was sputtering and stammering and all over the map and did not provide or mention the ample evidence of the widespread ability to make these chemicals or any other evidence. While the British simply had to stay on script. Russia looked bad in my view.

Now, with the new "chemical attack" in recent hours BoJo is already calling for a prompt investigation and warns - Russia should not be allowed to stall it. Why was not Russia out first calling for an independent investigation and demanding proper procedures and observers?

Russia can't continue to just stand there and get punched.

Posted by: Babyl-on | Apr 8, 2018 3:26:12 PM | 87

A question I've been mulling over for sometime that may appear unrelated to this thread but does have a general bearing.
In the lead up and during WW2, when did the German population begin to realize they were the bad guys?

Posted by: Bakerpete | Apr 8, 2018 3:26:21 PM | 88

Babyl-on

The biased reports doesnt lead anywhere, what Russia could do is stop obsessing what west says, they have lost it of the years badly,
what Russia should do is ship S-400 to Syria, that would keep the stupid warmongering parties in the west silent because apparently war and violence is the only language these people speak.

Posted by: Anon | Apr 8, 2018 3:38:51 PM | 89

@73 Don Bacon

I'm not sure what you're missing. Pompeo as head of the intelligence community and in that formal capacity answered a direct question with a direct lie, and Trump responded as if he was being given true information. In my book this is "gaming" somebody:

So what Pompeo is admitting to is, at best, providing the President with faulty intelligence. However, we know from the Hersh leaks that the intelligence community was already well aware of the fact that the Syrian government did not commit a chemical weapons attack. With that in mind, it appears that Pompeo has admitted to lying to Trump regarding the guilty party in Khan Sheikhoun and the existence of chemical weapons. At the very least, he managed to create a paper trail that leads right to the door of the CIA. CIA Director Admits Fooling Trump Over Syrian Chemical Weapons Story

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 8, 2018 3:40:30 PM | 90

"Statement of the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Fatou Bensouda, regarding the worsening situation in Gaza"

https://www.icc-cpi.int/Pages/item.aspx?name=180408-otp-stat

The ICC will never conduct an actual investigation against Israel as the usual suspects will never allow it. But the ICC must be feeling a lot of heat to have actually made a comment.

Posted by: BraveNewWorld | Apr 8, 2018 3:43:10 PM | 91

"59 tomahawk missiles" .. sexagesimal babylonian mathematics

Posted by: meow | Apr 8, 2018 3:49:04 PM | 92

Putin really dropped the ball on the Libya No-Fly Resolution trusting the evil empire. Now the stakes
are even higher. The absolute worse news in all this is that Trump is bringing in Bolton as his lunatic
wing man at the worst possible time when things were looking like they were wrapping up in Syria.
Bolton is the male version of Hillary on steroids. Trump is going to hide behind Bolton's
mustache - you know, me good cop; Bolton bad cop; IOW, don't blame me for what needs to be done. Trump gifted
Jerusalem to Netanyahu, and now he's going to gift him Syria too. The Iran deal will
also get scrapped soon and that's more gasoline on a fire that's about to get out of control. Here's one way
to distract from the Mueller investigation; start a war and rally the county under
a common cause: war with Syria, ergo Russia and then Iran.

It's as I said from day one: Trump can't help himself; he's always been a Zio-con and Adelson
is getting his money's worth. It's all going to happen as I always said it would. Trump was the perfect puppet.

Trump will look like the savior of the realm; a role his big fat ego always dreamed of and won't resist.

Now, there still might be a way out of this potential catastrophe. Admit it, wouldn't it be nice if Putin
really was holding back something big regarding Trump?

*sigh* - if only! Very soon would be a good time to drop it. Manafort?

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8, 2018 3:59:20 PM | 93

I was quite surprised the rebels actually went ahead with the so-called gas attack. I suppose some sort of combination between a hard-line faction in Douma, desperate about being about to lose their last foothold, and nutters in the US, like Bolton. Far too late.

The point is that the Russians have been preparing for just such an event for months. Was it not two months ago that the Russians put troops into Damascus to prevent a decapitating strike? A US strike would be a sort of Kursk Offensive, attacking into a well-prepared defence.

I remain convinced that Trump is psychologically unwilling to go ahead with a major war, whatever the people around him.

Posted by: Laguerre | Apr 8, 2018 4:04:41 PM | 94

@ Babyl-on 87

Normally the accused is not producing evidence, the accuser does. What are 'these chemicals', and why the Russian rep has to sign up for some undefined 'Novichok _class_ ' chemical used? How can he really have evidence that there is 'widespread ability to produce these chemicals' (which one? they say some of them easy and some not). He was really saying he received a sentence without a verdict or evidence. If that does not impress, well, too bad then. While the British rep was well-presented but without proper content; in the most positive way of looking at it advancing an unproved theory.

Supposedly 'independent investigation' was attempted in Khan Sheikhoun a year ago, but ended in disagreements on methods and procedures; and so its mandate was not renewed; so neither the process not the trust in such investigation is there, and so it is not on. Russia is now insisting to have its members on the committee to trust the result (not perfect but nothing better is agreed).

Posted by: Karlos DJX | Apr 8, 2018 4:17:28 PM | 95

Laguerre

Trump have recently added Bolton, Pompeo, I mean come on, its obvious that Trump have no "psychologically unwilling" traits about bombing another nation.
He have done it before and will do it again, but beside its not only about Trump but also the ugly little guy in France, Macron that are as warmongering on Syria.

Posted by: Anon | Apr 8, 2018 4:18:09 PM | 96

This gas attack is also, from the US point of view, a sort of "surge". An unwillingness on the part of the US to admit defeat. Something has to be done to put the US, currently losing, back into the game. Just that facing up to Russia is a bit more complicated than beating up poorly armed Arab tribes.

Posted by: Laguerre | Apr 8, 2018 4:19:25 PM | 97

@ Laguerre 94
I was quite surprised the rebels actually went ahead with the so-called gas attack.
They didn't, US-France-UK-(Turkey) did.
The rebels are the ones with guns and ammo, the alliance are the ones with actors and cameras.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 8, 2018 4:22:27 PM | 98

Circe Medvedev was President

However the responsibility for what happened in Libya is with the western poweres of NATO

they. dropped the bombs and armed the jihadis.

The blame lies with them not Russia

As for the tone of the rest of your post-

War is not a pissing contest

It involves loss of life destruction of families, communities, countries.

Russia has a reason to be there - what is the agenda of the western powered beyond destroying a country like they did Libya

Posted by: James | Apr 8, 2018 4:35:09 PM | 99

I am a bit confused, did the rebels agree to return to the agreement they defaulted on before or after the supposed "gas" attack? If before, it was a ruse (or the west set the up), if after, they may have been told by Russia to return to the agreement or be slaughtered. we live in interesting times and I am most unhappy about it.

Posted by: frances | Apr 8, 2018 4:40:01 PM | 100

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