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March 11, 2018

Weekly Review And Open Thread 2018-10

Mar 6 - The New Yorker Attempts But Fails To Boost The Steele Dossier

This hyping of Steele as an honest man who only did his duty is pretty disgusting. What was Jane Mayer paid for writing such an inaccurate and unobjective portrait?

Mar 7 - No, Russians Do Not Hack The FCC's Public Comments

In which a federal communication commissioner proves that she has zero understanding of basic web communication.

Mar 8 - Poisoned British-Russian Double-Agent Has Links To Clinton Campaign

The British government and its media are trying their best to make a big scare out of the alleged poisoning of a turned Russian spy. They are blaming Russia without providing any evidence. The Russian government had nothing to win from killing him. Meanwhile the quite direct connection between the poisoned double-agent and the fake Steele dossier is swept under the carpet.

Mar 9 - Trump Threatens Peace In Korea

Lots of powerful entities, including the government of Japan, conservatives in South Korea, the U.S. miliary, the military industry and its hundreds of lobby shops are all interested in making the talks fail. The want war or at least the perception of imminent war. If Trump can get to some agreement with North Korea he deserves some laurels.

Mar 11 - Syria - The Fall Of Two Cities

Anna video footage of the fight in east-Ghouta.

Other issues (I should have written about):

The Russian President Putin was interviewed by the very 'blond' NBC talking head Megan Kelly. Here are a full unedited video of the two part interview and the official English language transcript.

Megyn Kelly: How important do you think it is to project strength as a President?

Vladimir Putin: It is important not to project strength, but to show it. It is also important how we understand power. It does not mean banging the table with a fist or yelling. I think power has several dimensions. Firstly, one should be confident that he is doing the right thing. Secondly, he must be ready to go all the way to achieve the goals.

In Winston Churchill, Hollywood rewards a mass murderer - To my astonishment Shashi Tharoor, a famous Indian politician, was allowed to publish this in the Washington Post op-ed pages. His son Ishaan, who writes for the Post news site, must have smuggled it past the editors. An important read for those who believe that Hitler's racism and brutality were exceptional.

He Wouldn’t Become an Informant. Now He’s Headed for Prison. The FBI entraps a U.S. citizen from Iran to press him to spy on Iran. The next time someone laments about U.S. citizens of Iranian heritage getting jailed for espionage while visiting Iran, point them to the above.

 

Posted by b on March 11, 2018 at 01:48 PM | Permalink

Comments

A conversation on Twitter is happening about the need to find another platform after Elijah Magnier’s account was targeted for posting support for Ahed Tamimi, a Palestinian activist. Some propose switching over to GAB and Magnier encourages this. I quickly checked GAB and find it has a strong alt-right feel to it but admittedly dont know the platform at all. What do fellow MoA patrons think? What about Telegram or others?
Twitter much like FB is more and more being censored..

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 11, 2018 3:46:31 PM | 1

Here's a real lefty, not like the fake ones who own the Democratic party today.The Jimmy Dore show. Scroll down to the March 9 show.

https://jimmydorecomedy.com/home/

Posted by: ben | Mar 11, 2018 4:05:16 PM | 2

thanks b!

the full interview with putin and megan kelly.. emptywheel has also written a piece on it going over the minutiae.. i swear these folks can't see the forest for the trees..

Posted by: james | Mar 11, 2018 4:29:41 PM | 3

@1 lozion.. good question.. hopefully someone will have a good suggestion...

@ 2 ben.. i have enjoyed jimmy dores show in the past.. i don't watch it regularly..

Posted by: james | Mar 11, 2018 4:34:33 PM | 4

Maybe that one

Http s://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

Posted by: Mina | Mar 11, 2018 6:33:38 PM | 5

Well, it looks like May is when things will get exciting. Over at ZH, it's been reported that Trump will not renew the Iran Nuclear deal which is up for renewal in May, unless significant changes are made which we know that Iran will not accept.

Posted by: Ian | Mar 11, 2018 7:02:23 PM | 6

@5 Interesting Mina, have you tried it?

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 11, 2018 7:18:26 PM | 7

Shashi Tharoor was being very lenient towards Winston Churchill.

Here is a summary on Youtube of Churchill's actions against various peoples ruled by the British Empire in the 20th century and against Iran:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxFaWrvgneQ

Posted by: Jen | Mar 11, 2018 7:24:09 PM | 8

This is a comment I wrote for the Korea thread below but by the time it was completed it looked like the thread was almost dead. The point is that a president outsider once before tried to solve the Korea problem.

Jimmy Carter in 1977 announced his intention to withdraw US forces and nuclear weapons from Korea. That did not go to far. The reasons for Carter's failure might be interesting to consider. The following is from the abstract of an article in Diplomatic History published in 2017:

Jimmy Carter had a difficult time realizing his pledge to withdraw American ground troops from South Korea because of opposition from the U.S. Congress and insubordination among U.S. Army officials. Otherwise, Seoul did not disagree with the U.S. president in an ostensible manner. However, newly found evidence indicates that the South Korean leadership encouraged the split between the U.S. executive and legislature, the U.S. Army’s resistance toward its president, and criticism from Japan, another important diplomatic partner of Washington. This article highlights how various groups opposing American troop withdrawals undermined the president’s rationale for removing forces from South Korea.

Hopefully Trump is better positioned to pull this off today. First he has the backing of President Moon and doesn't have to worry about about Korea's president sabotaging the effort behind the scenes. So far Abe of Japan has remained quiet. Also, China is in a much, much stronger position to provide diplomatic and political support.

So which deep state players will work to undermine this effort? Hopefully, given that Trump has filled his Administration with Generals, he might not have to deal with insubordination from the military. I guess the biggest threat to making peace in Korea inside the US government will come from the intelligence agencies. Then, of course, the ubiquitous neocons scattered throughout the government and mass media will be working overtime to undermine any deals. The latter put Trump in such a tight box with Russiagate that it was impossible for Trump to improve relations with Russia. However right now, there is no way that anyone can accuse Trump of being Kim's puppet. Or that Kim was responsible for Hillary's defeat. This might mean the masses of deranged Democrats may not try to block efforts for peace in Korea. Let us all realize that it these masses of deranged Democrats that are keeping Russiagate alive.

Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 11, 2018 10:52:55 PM | 9

@9 - ToivoS | Mar 11, 2018 10:52:55 PM

So far Abe of Japan has remained quiet

Maybe visibly…, he has a truckload of problems locally (Moritomo scandal - falsified documents by MOF submitted to Diet), and maybe because he is trying to pull strings behind the curtain (he would be p*ssed by eventual reduction of US mil, and reduction of thread).

(Trump) might not have to deal with insubordination from the military

Don’t trust PACOM in this. At all. They have too much interest in the status quo (money and new shinny toys). And then there is the whole MilSec pundits in their thankthinks…

Posted by: Philippe | Mar 11, 2018 11:06:47 PM | 10

Am I the only one who after seeing some particularly egregious meeting between reality and amorality, makes a mental note to write about it next MoA open thread, only to discover that come OT day, the mental note has erased itself or more likely, that the act which seemed so egregious just 3 days before is a mere bagatelle in comparison to what has happened since?
I suspect not this is the world we inhabit, one where every horror story is inevitably and rapidly superseded by 5 others.
No Bernard I'm not making a play for a continuous open thread. There are any number of reasons why that would be a bad idea, not leat among them that just as the acts by pols get awful, so do the hateposts from the sads.
Which reminds me that MoAites should reach around and pat themselves on the back for another week where everyone decided for themselves to force back the bile rising in their gorge due to posts by moronically feeble hasbara trolls and just ignore something that is only worthy of being scraped off their shoes at their door.

The issue which I do remember I had considered worthy of comment was the stunningly inhumane act of englander PM Terri the towel May, who during the visit by kidnapper, robber, racist and war crim MbS, announced that she had negotiated a sale of more than 40 'eurofighters' to Saudi. Presumably all the better to kill Yemeni schoolchildren.

The hypocrisy is astounding the same filthy mouth which has been disparaging the Syrian government for taking action against the takfiri who have been shelling Damascus suburbs for 4 years on the basis of white helmet staged warporn, because she reckons children are being hurt, sells wartools to a mob of gangsters whose crimes against children are proven facts not takfiri generated, media enabled bulldust.
But then I remembered that Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Dave 'the pig-fucker' Cameron also made noises about 'cinching this deal' when they too were apprehended kissing Saudi butt.
The ninnies are wittingly or unwittingly being strung along. Plus of course it is tough to see the englanders turning a quid from eurofighter sales once brexit gets up.
Plus the same nonsense happens in DC whenever the comtemporaneous prez needs to have a face to face with the financiers of 911. The amerikan deal is, if that were possible, even less believable than the englander one, since it is alleged that the saudi have committed more than $100 Billion for a chunk of vaporware that is unlikely to see the light of day in its promised form.
Now that is a good thing except circumstances being as described, it is inevitable that whatever cover story/pretext USuk does settle upon to explain their theft of billions from the Shia clans of Eastern Saudi who own the land where the rigs are sucking up oil like a $2 whore on payday, is likely to be something much worse than selling Saudi the means to lose a war.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 12, 2018 12:42:05 AM | 11

I see Iraq is now taking the fight to the US protected ISIS remnants in East Syria. With their Kurdish fig leave running off to Afrin, the US in Syria is starting to look like the naked emperor with nowhere to hide. I like the way the Russians operate :)

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 12, 2018 2:10:58 AM | 12

I did in fact watch the entire Putin/Kelly interview; in which Putin said "So What?" 9 times.
Definitely NOT impressed by Kelly.
Putin was his usual, informed, confident, and patient self.
Looking at the corporate news, post interview; it's clear the U.S. is in denial and still failing to listen to Russia/Putin.
Classic deluded ignorance and stupidity; some things just don't change...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Mar 12, 2018 2:35:25 AM | 13

Turkish millionaires' daughters gettin wild in Dubai...
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/292614/World/Region/Iran-recovers-black-box-from-crashed-plane-carryin.aspx

Posted by: Mina | Mar 12, 2018 7:07:45 AM | 15

@2 Ben ... Jimmy Dore is outstanding

The Real News has had pretty decent coverage lately. Aaron Maté is a much better reporter
since leaving Democracy Now. He recently interviewed Yasser Munif, Professor at Emerson College and co-founder of the Global Campaign of Solidarity for the Syrian Revolution.
Even though he should have been much tougher, Maté exposes Munif as an ISIS sympathiser:

As Eastern Ghouta Besieged, What is the Answer for Syria? (2/2)

I think that Syrian people and the Arab people are opposed to all forms of dictatorship, whether the type of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, or the secular type, as in Syria or Egypt. I mean, at the same time, we have to remember that even in Raqqa and Manbij, where ISIS was present, there was a vibrant political life, and there were discussions, and there were civilian groups and grassroots movements, and people were able to operate and have political debates and newsletters and so on. All that is impossible under dictatorship.

I'm all for academic freedom and opposed to censorship, but this sick bastard needs to be sacked.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Mar 12, 2018 9:49:13 AM | 16

As usual, the (interesting) survey of Churchill's crimes omits any mention of his collusion with (instigation of?) Canada's attack on indigenous nations after WWI. He bullied/threatened League of Nations members which supported the bid for national recognition made by the Haudenausaunee (Iroquois Confederacy) — which met all of the League of Nation's membership criteria — and fostered Canada's bid — which met few of the criteria, but which was desired by the crown because, NOT being an "independent" nation, Canada would vote the way England told them to vote. Canada's violent removal of traditional governments and imposition of comprador colonial puppet-governments dates from Churchill's tenure at the colonial office. As usual (yes, I know I'm being repetitive), crimes against the indigenous peoples of North America seem to be of no consequence to most people. However, those of us who have had to live with the consequences remember them.

Posted by: Roland Chrisjohn | Mar 12, 2018 9:54:06 AM | 17

Tobin Paz @16

Suggest you watch follow up debates: Syria, Ghouta, and the Left


Rania Khalek and Yasser Munif debate the ongoing siege of Eastern Ghouta and the wider Syrian war..... I like Rania Khalek.


http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=74&jumival=1707

Posted by: OJS | Mar 12, 2018 9:57:57 AM | 18

Has the Tharoor piece on Churchill appeared in the print WaPo? I'm a subscriber, and I have not noticed it there.

Posted by: lysias | Mar 12, 2018 10:20:54 AM | 19

Lozion I keep vague track of Trump support by consulting various sites. DT enthusiasts are all very keen on GAB, the censorship on twitter - reddit - youtube and other pop. drives them totally crazy.

My take on his support: DT support is far higher than one would expect (duh.. it just isn’t visible in the MSM, remember I predicted he would win when he threw his hat in). DT has lost some who voted for him, typically ‘anything but Hillary’ types, “give him a chance”, who are disapointed at his poor performance on some/any/all issues. Some others have checked out of any involvement in MS pols. and have joined Doomsters, Refusniks, and even (imho) to my surprise, quasi-anarchists (who lack a platform.) Technotopists are going out of fashion (> global warming disasters.) — The rapidly degrading US socio-economic landscape is no doubt responsible, more so than the person of DT. (Arguably he is contributing to the decline, other story.) Poverty, sagging life expectancy, opioid crisis, homelessness, student debt, crumbling infrastructure, cuts in social aid or ‘benefits’ as the brits say, no future generation, etc.

On the other hand, DT supporters have become more ‘radical and committed’ as is always the case in these kind of ‘tribal’ belonging scenes, they have dragged in family members / friends, through the usual conduits of social influence in micro-circles. Which has been made exceptionally easy by the terminal idiocy, blindness and contradictions of the MSM, Dems and the PTB (incl. top Republicans, corporations, etc.) generally. Authoritarian impulses (which DT embraces in part - the WALL is a good ex. - for the rest, hmm..) will flourish up to a point.

The USA has become completely a-political, an oligarchy run by a convoluted circuit of top-dogs and gals, fights going on at the top (mafia 1 vs. team 2) for grabbing the leftovers of power/revenue/capture/ etc., not new but now evident. The top 20% chooses sides, as they have to, merely in function of who is paying them, where their status comes from, what hopes for children. The rest can check out and face their fate, or choose a cult, a tribe… The next question is, what are the attitudes to civil war? How is that going to play out?

About non-posts, I was going to go into the murder of Kim Jong-Nam (brother of today’s Kim) which ties two threads together - NKorea and murder by nerve gas. (Hoarse mentioned this in the other thread.)

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 12, 2018 10:51:11 AM | 20

Noirette @20

What do you make of the QAnon phenomenon?

My take: it is similar to the Obamabots promising good things to come. Those ‘good things’ never came, of course.

Further proof, IMHO, that Trump is the Republican Obama. The play book is the same.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12, 2018 11:28:31 AM | 21

"the full interview with putin and megan kelly.. emptywheel has also written a piece on it going over the minutiae.. i swear these folks can't see the forest for the trees.." - James

Can't stand Megyn Kelly anymore.

She has access to a world leader and acts as if Russians posting to Facebook is the single most important event in the world today; narcissism. Speaking of narcissism, did Kelly flick her hair or strut because she knows that she is undoubtedly the most beautiful woman to have ever lived?

I hope, 20yrs from now, that Oliver Stone's interview will be remembered. It's possible to to learn about someone by actually listening to them rather than shutting them down. Scientists are still studying this phenomenon.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Mar 12, 2018 11:33:13 AM | 22

In his March 9th show (thanks ben@2!), Jimmy Dore talks about how Obama’s has continued his neoliberal ways after leaving office. Obama was NOT forced into neoliberal positions by terrible Repugs like his Obamabot apologists claimed repeatedly.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12, 2018 11:34:17 AM | 23

b

The excerpt you quoted supports the theory that Putin had Skripal killed.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12, 2018 11:36:47 AM | 24

V. Arnold

The interview was amazing . A must-see.

Views on how well Kelly did vary and I think that it generally depends on what one thinks of Putin and what one’s cultural background is.

They both made important points.

I give her credit for conducting a real interview - in contrast to, for example, Maria Bartiromo who fawns over powerful men (Trump was interview by Bartiromo). And I give him credit for his willingness to be interview by a Western MSM reporter.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12, 2018 11:46:08 AM | 25

wapo is on the anti-semite wagon too,saying Putin says Jews can be trying to upset the applecart.
Can you believe it?hohoho.zionism is anti-human.

Posted by: dahoit | Mar 12, 2018 12:26:56 PM | 26

@22 christian.. i agree with you..

@v. arnold / jackrabbit... i read the full transcript that i posted @3.. i don't like watching videos, but i could learn from seeing the body language... putin is now being accused of anti-semitism, based on this line "“Maybe they’re not even Russians,” he said. “Maybe they’re Ukrainians, Tatars, Jews, just with Russian citizenship. Even that needs to be checked. Maybe they have dual citizenship. Or maybe a green card. Maybe it was the Americans who paid them for this work. How do you know? I don’t know.”

that is grounds for anti-semitism in the western msm... go figure..

meanwhile that witch haley retard is saying they don't need the un, in order to bomb the shit out of syria...they are getting tired of waiting for the ''''right'''' outcome...

and in a switch up, russia is accusing those lovely moderate headchoppers the west loves to support, as using chemicals on the people of ghouta.. "Al-Nusra terrorists used chlorine chemicals in Eastern Ghouta – Russian envoy to UN"

Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2018 12:44:05 PM | 27

@ 13 V. Arnold | Mar 12, 2018 2:35:25 AM
@ 25 Jackrabbit | Mar 12, 2018 11:46:08 AM

Reading Gilbert Doctorow's book Does the United States Have A Future? Collected (Nonconformist Essays on Russian-American Relations, 2015-17), ISBN 13: 9781976038371 He mentions another interview V. Putin had with Meagan Kelly in his essay dated 8 June 2017. The essay states RT ran a full, unedited version that is compared to a youtube reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxqGoXNI_gw
put on air for American audiences (4 minutes into program).[sorry, transcribing by hand, trusting sufficient information for others to followup]. Apparently the interview was held on sidelines of the St. Petersburg 'International Economic Forum' of 2017. Note was made by Doctorow of the shambles presented to the American viewers.

Now we are 75, I will leave it to you youth to delve into the inter-weeds to see for yourselves. There may be deja-vu afoot about Kelly/Putin interviews.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 12, 2018 12:57:09 PM | 28

@ 28

Megyn Kelly - NOT Meagan Kelly ~ my very bad, see what assumptions can do.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 12, 2018 1:00:32 PM | 29

megyn, or megan - whatever - has done a few of these interviews with putin.. not sure how many, but at least 2 and i think more...

Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2018 1:32:10 PM | 30

more loopy demands and crazy shit from the uk duo - may / boris..

""Either this was a direct act by the Russian State against our country, or the Russian government lost control of this potentially catastrophically damaging nerve agent and allowed it to get into the hands of others."

She added that Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, summoned the Russian ambassador to the foreign office on Monday. He said Russia must explain which of the two possible explanations is the correct one. She says the ambassador must reply by the end of Tuesday."

Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2018 1:36:41 PM | 31

james

You miss a lot if you don’t see the body language and tone of speech. I watched while reading the transcript.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12, 2018 1:48:36 PM | 32

Breaking: UK give Russia 36hrs to answer why they murdered the agent or UK will make a response

Posted by: Anon | Mar 12, 2018 1:54:04 PM | 33

@16 OJS .. Thanks, I'll check them out.

Just when you thought they couldn't sink any lower:

This Is the Best Chance Yet to Stop the U.S. War on Yemen. Where Are the Major Human Rights Orgs?

Andrea Prasow, Deputy Washington Director for Human Rights Watch, tells In These Times, “We don’t take a position on the legality of armed conflicts,” explaining that the group only comments on “the legality of actions conducted in an armed conflict.” However, Prasow says, “there have been extremely rare occasions where we call for humanitarian intervention.” She was unable to immediately identify any specific instances.

...

Prasow argues, “By not taking a position on the legality of the overall conflict, we believe our work, which is neutral, will also be seen as neutral by all parties of the conflict.”



I wonder what her boss's view is:

Battles for Syria Jan 6 2018 | Sheikh Ken Roth al Americani

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Mar 12, 2018 1:55:13 PM | 34

@jr - what did you learn from the body language?

Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2018 1:58:22 PM | 35

@Lozion#1

Aren't they all compromised? Any new accepted app will quickly reach a tipping point critical mass and then be purchased by TPTB, no?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 12, 2018 2:12:54 PM | 36

@ james | 31

"Either this was a direct act by the Russian State against our country, or the Russian government lost control of this potentially catastrophically damaging nerve agent and allowed it to get into the hands of others."
__________________________________________

No more Mister Nice Guy! Presumably Boris will inform the Russian ambassador that he will not be allowed to leave the Foreign Office until he honestly answers a simple question: Is Putin still beating his wife?

Posted by: Ort | Mar 12, 2018 3:10:54 PM | 37

james

Putin’s demeanor changed when Kelly presses him on his contacts and his unwillingness to prevent cyber-attacks. She was relentless. I don’t think he gets put on the spot like that - ever. At one point he told her that she was rude for interrupting. He mansplains the law and uses sarcasm. She got under his skin.

She got him to say thinks like the except that b used in this post. But there was an even worse stumble when he said that he’s been planning for his succession since 2000. He paused after that (which you won’t see in the transcript) and, realizing his mistake he explained that, of course the Russian people will decide his successor.

Then there is the cat-and-mouse with regard to how “real” was Putin’s announcement of new weapons systems and whether a new arms race has begun. Putin clearly doesn’t want to say that there is a new arms race but Kelly comes back to it again and again. She knows that he loses either way. If he says that there is a new arms race he looks belligerent, if he tries to avoid saying it, he looks deceiptive.

No description will do it justice. You have to see it.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12, 2018 3:11:52 PM | 38

So Russia is not the only source for Novchok (apart from Russia) - and guess which other country has access to it? ]
From wikipedia entry on Novchok:
One of the key manufacturing sites was the Soviet State Scientific Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and Technology (GosNIIOKhT) in Nukus, Uzbekistan... Since its independence in 1991, Uzbekistan has been working with the government of the United States to dismantle and decontaminate the sites where the Novichok agents and other chemical weapons were tested and developed.

Posted by: Still_Learning | Mar 12, 2018 3:19:03 PM | 39

@36 yes but in the meantime exchange of valid information continues or you’d rather let the Ministry of Truth administrate what content you & I can access?

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 12, 2018 3:19:09 PM | 40

Institute for War and Peace Reporting https://iwpr.net/about
Legit or front? Thanks
(Tried sourcewatch, but they're very scanty and outdated on this one.)

Posted by: Petra | Mar 12, 2018 3:20:07 PM | 41

@20 noirette, the imagery and symbolism used by the Kek adoring alt-right fringe present on many of these sites reek of sheepherding. There are no saviors coming to redeem poor down-trodden America. Obama fooled a generation with his « Change you can believe in » mantra. Jackrabbit may be right when he says Trump’s game is just a V2.0 of O’s play but I’m still on the fence on that one..

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 12, 2018 3:34:08 PM | 42

Lozion@40... No that's not what I was trying to say. Twitter and FB can still be used to pass valid information... once the algorithmic thresh hold is reached tho all bets are off.....same with any new app...If things got real bad for TPTB it would all just get taken down...I would like to think that you and other's with these valid concerns would have more analog (so to speak) methods of information transfer amongst yourselves and from there to a greater audience. An opponent that relies on technology is rather susceptible to the lack of technology, no? Being able to have comms above and beyond the regular or standard should be priority for all citizens of any counry

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 12, 2018 3:45:44 PM | 43

...
Note was made by Doctorow of the shambles presented to the American viewers.
Now we are 75, I will leave it to you youth to delve into the inter-weeds to see for yourselves. There may be deja-vu afoot about Kelly/Putin interviews.
Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 12, 2018 12:57:09 PM | 28

Yep.
It's the myopic & shameless Information-management aspects which make Megyn's interview noteworthy. Niqnaq didn't beat around the bush. In a post titled: He said "maybe" he didn't say "absolutely" RB posted a link to unedited video of the full interview, cheekily overprinted with the headline MSM DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE THE FULL INTERVIEW.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 12, 2018 4:05:05 PM | 44

Jackrabbit you are seeing an edited version of the Megyn / Putin exchange.

I watched the first interview, I have watched numerous interviews conducted by Megyn Kelly as well as Putin's marathon interview w/Stone and see that Putin exposes himself to annual hours long interviews in their version of 'state of the union'. Putin is not sheltered. The term 'mansplainin' works both ways, you could say that Megyn was 'mansplainin' to Putin about how he is wrong to deny Russian interference because the CIA and now the FBI has a detailed indictment on the issue (one that they believe they will never have to defend in Court). So tut-tut Mr. Putin, I just informed you that you did interfere, so if you deny it I will simply repeat the accusation again, and again.

Rudeness is a matter of perception, so it's pointless to say who was more rude. All I'll say on the matter is that the confrontational style interview frequently makes the subject defensive and shuts down exchanges. So if you just want to here someone tell Putin off then the interview was a pleasure but nothing was learned.

Putin has been looking to endorse a successor since 2000, so what? In Stone's interview, he got him to admit that he's a bit of a micro-manager who can't bring himself to delegate and retire. That is a flaw, I just hope a raving nationalist doesn't succeed him.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Mar 12, 2018 4:35:20 PM | 45

well, that was definitely my favorite part:

Vladimir Putin: You keep interrupting me, this is impolite.

Megyn Kelly: Forgive me, sir.

Posted by: john | Mar 12, 2018 5:13:39 PM | 46

Christian Chuba

I saw the full unedited 1 hr 28 min double interview (2 sittings).

She didn’t say he was wrong to deny Russian interference. She pressed him on why he wouldn’t do anything to prevent it.

“Pointless to say who was more rude.”
I didn’t think Putin was rude. The interruptions were (and Kelly immediately apologized). Also, I didn’t think Kelly was confrontational, just persistent about sensitive matters (IMO not rude in the context of an interview).

“Nothing was learned.”
There is a propaganda war going on. This interview was about breaking or reinforcing propaganda narratives. So it is not meaningless, even if “nothing was learned.” The interviews are a means for Putin to push back the warmongers that seek to demonize him.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12, 2018 5:48:39 PM | 47

China and NK hold most of the known reserves of rare earths. Perhaps Trump is interested in talking to KJU about a neodymium deal?

Reuters
Tesla's electric motor shift to spur demand for rare earth neodymium
...Global demand of 31,700 tonnes for neodymium last year already outstripped supply by 3,300 tonnes, he said. Demand was expected to climb to 34,200 tonnes this year and 38,800 tonnes in 2018, leaving larger deficits.
“Tesla’s decision to switch to permanent magnets has completely changed the dynamics of the market,” said a source at a fund manager that specializes in metals....

https://roskill.com/news/rare-earths-north-korea-trade-restrictions/
.... Back in 2013, the private equity firm SRI Minerals claimed to have found the world’s largest rare earth deposit at Jongju in the North P’yŏngan province, with a possible 216Mt of rare earth reserves, 2.66% of which could be HREEs. SRI Minerals signed a 25 year agreement with Kores Natural Resources Trading Corporation to develop the deposit...
.


Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 12, 2018 8:52:40 PM | 48

@41 Petra

I thought I had something bookmarked about the Institute of War and Peace but couldn't find it. Couple of huge warning flags are:

1. The following statement on their site:

"IWPR fills a critical gap by helping local journalists to focus on human rights and justice issues. In the process, it contributes to democratic transitions, and demonstrates that the best war reporting is not about military conflict, but human consequences."

Samantha Power
United States Ambassador to the United Nations

2. They retweeted a White Helmets tweet.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Mar 12, 2018 9:23:46 PM | 49

Christian Chuba @45

I saw the full unedited interview (2 sittings) that was 1 hour 28 minutes long.

Kelly didn’t say Putin was wrong to deny Russian interference. His denial was very narrow: it was not done by the Russian government. She pressed him on why he didn’t try to prevent such interference given the risk that it could result in worsened relations with USA/West.

. . . It’s pointless to say who was more rude
I don’t think Putin was rude - just a bit rattled. Kelly was rude by interrupting and immediately apologized when Putin pointed it out. I also don’t think Kelly was “confrontational”. She was persistent about sensitive matters (which is not rude in the context of an interview).

. . . nothing was learned
There is a propaganda war going on. Even if FP wonks don’t learn something new, the interview has the potential to strengthen or break propaganda narrative. Isn’t that why Putin does these interviews? So that warmongers can not demonize him?

I’m not sure Putin succeeded here. Kelly forced him to step on his own “I’m not an evil mastermind” narrative. He wouldn’t admit to an arms race; he’s been thinking/planning about his successor since 2000; his friends engage in questionable activities; and he won’t release Navalny despite his not being a threat to Putin’s election because he deems Navalny to not be worthy.

I’m not trashing Putin here. He took a risk in giving the interview. And he published the transcript. All to his credit. God knows leaders in the West have plenty of warts. I’m not taking sides by describing the interview.

Unfortunately, the most meaningful points made by Putin have (not surprisingly) been lost: USA does not engage constructively with Russia and they lie about Russian relation to their citizens. The resulting increased risk of nuclear war should be in headlines. But MSM is complicit.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12, 2018 10:04:18 PM | 50

@37 ort.. the fact that boris represents the uk in any way, must be a real embarrassment to people of the uk!! i saw a picture earlier today of the uk parliament with may and a bunch of wax looking replicas of the typical boring, goodie two shoes, clean cut guys with ties and women dressed with glum looks on their faces.. not sure what they eat or do for fun in britian, but looking at this picture made me happy to know i am in a world apart of what they have to inhabit...


@38 jr... thanks.. based on what you have said, i think i don't have to see it! the only thing i might have missed reading the transcript is the pause after he mentions grooming a successor... i picked up his annoyance at her constant repeating of western talking points.. i liked how he said she was impolite! she was! and, based off the transcript she comes across as a bimbo.. i don't imagine she is, but i thought it fairly obvious he was so far ahead of her, that he didn't seem to even try to dodge her bullshit.. if any of it had of been relevant, i think he would have responded differently... i am a staunch advocate for reading, as opposed to watching.. i read the full transcript.. i know nothing about megan kelly... i don't watch tv ever... we are going to have to agree to disagree on the upside or downside to either!

i agree with your comment at the end @49.. that is so true and something that i imagine would be lost on megan kelly as well.. she spoke like the un ambassador nikki haley, or samantha powers before her... they are all accusatory women who come across as having their mind made up, and lacking in any insight or deeper understanding of the possibilities.. they have generally closed minds.. kelly came across this way to me.. she was only curious about what she had already heard and internalized... she was not capable of getting outside of her own cultures perspective to be able to appreciate the strength of a political leader from a different culture speaking with her in a quasi neutral way... frankly, i thought she was out of her depth here and better suited to interviewing some hollywood type... i don't know what she does regularly, but i wasn't impressed with her..

Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2018 11:13:35 PM | 51

Jack Rabbit 21, I have not studied up on Q-anon. Off the cuff, dash o’ salt.. He, individual or committee, is certainly edged to some kind of gossip / lower reaches of power, or stellar at obfuscating spin.

Your interpretation is good. In times of dire uncertainty ‘oracles’ and ‘calls to action of an esoteric type’ (magic moves, prayer, devoted adherence, etc.) flower, another form of hopi-changi-ness, a bit more extreme. Q-anon is certainly short on facts and high on tarot-like predictions.

I was reminded somehow of the ‘gossip’ site *The Voice of The White House*, which drew a lot af attention in the past, it was a copy of the trad. ‘gossip celeb / famous’ person columns’.. Q anon is ++ cryptic and mystical.

Just looked up the VotWH - it still exists! But no longer claims, it appears, insider info. http://www.tbrnews.org/tbr-news-march-12-2018/

Lozion 42, sheepherding, yes, I did not refer to it explicitly. Trump presented an oppo for change of US policy (downscaling aggro, rational nationalism, collaboration with no.2 power, etc.), to halt or overturn the impoverishment and loss of power (even military) of the USA. That is why he was elected. Tall order. Was that really possible, if so, by what actions, to what degree (small increments may help..) and with what method? Very difficult to find a balanced answer, needs a huuuge study group.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 13, 2018 12:06:07 PM | 52

^^ Tobin Paz #49 ^^

Thank you for that information. (Powers endorsement; White Helmets prop)

Certainly useful pointers as to IWPR provenance / veracity.

Posted by: Petra | Mar 14, 2018 1:02:02 AM | 53

news report
MOSOCW, March 13. /TASS/. Militants are preparing a provocation with the use of chemical agents in Syria to justify a massive US strike against Damascus’ government neighborhoods, Chief of Russia’s General Staff Valery Gerasimov said on Tuesday. According to Gerasimov, Russia has hard facts about preparations for staging the use of chemical weapons against civilians by the government forces.. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14, 2018 1:17:28 AM | 54

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