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March 14, 2018

Are 'Novichok' Poisons Real? - May's Claims Fall Apart

The British government claims that 'Novichok' poisons, developed 30 years ago in the Soviet Union, affected a British double agent. But such substances may not exist at all. The British government further says that the Russian government is responsible for the incident and has announced penalties against the country.

A comparable incidents happened in 2001 in the United States. Envelopes with Anthrax spores were sent to various politicians. Some people died. The White House told the FBI to blame al-Qaeda but the Anthrax turned out to be from a U.S. chemical-biological weapon laboratory.  The case is still unsolved.

The 'whistle-blower' Vil Mirzayanov who 'revealed' the 'Novichok' program and its poisons published chemical formulas that should enable any decent laboratory to reproduce them. But neither the existence of the claimed program nor the existence of the alleged substances were ever accepted by the scientific community. The Russian government says it does not know the program nor the alleged poisons.

The highly constructed drama around the alleged poisoning of a British double agent Skripal and his daughter has thus turned into a surreal play. The British government has so far given no evidence that the Skripal's were poisoned at all, or that they were poisoned by someone else. No detailed medical bulletin was published. The British accusations against Russia lets one assume that a suicide attempt has been excluded. Why?

There is no independent evaluation of the alleged poison. The British government claims that its own chemical weapon laboratory at Porton Down, only a few miles from where the incident happened, has identified the poison as one of the 'Novichok' chemicals.

But in 2016 a leading chemist at Porton Down had doubts that such chemicals exist. (Paul McKeigue, Professor of Statistical Genetics and Genetic Epidemiology at Edinburgh University, Piers Robinson, Professor of Politics, Society and Political Journalism at Sheffield University and the former British Ambassador Craig Murray point this out):

As recently as 2016 Dr Robin Black, Head of the Detection Laboratory at the UK’s only chemical weapons facility at Porton Down, a former colleague of Dr David Kelly, published in an extremely prestigious scientific journal that the evidence for the existence of Novichoks was scant and their composition unknown.

In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. (Black, 2016)

Robin Black. (2016) Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents. Royal Society of Chemistry

The Scientific Advisory Board of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has not recognized Novichoks as chemical weapons because it found scant evidence that they exist at all. The U.S. and the UK are both part of the organization and both agreed with this evaluation:

[The SAB] emphasised that the definition of toxic chemicals in the Convention would cover all potential candidate chemicals that might be utilised as chemical weapons. Regarding new toxic chemicals not listed in the Annex on Chemicals but which may nevertheless pose a risk to the Convention, the SAB makes reference to “Novichoks”. The name “Novichok” is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The SAB states that it has insufficient information to comment on the existence or properties of “Novichoks”. (OPCW, 2013)

The former Soviet scientist, Vil Mirzayanov, who 'blew the whistle' and wrote about the 'Novichoks', now lives in a $1 million home in the United States. The AFP news agency just interviewed him about the recent incident:

Mirzayanov, speaking at his home in Princeton, New Jersey, said he is convinced Russia carried it out as a way of intimidating opponents of President Vladimir Putin.

"Only the Russians" developed this class of nerve agents, said the chemist. "They kept it and are still keeping it in secrecy."

The only other possibility, he said, would be that someone used the formulas in his book to make such a weapon.

"Russia did it", says Mirzayanov, "OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK".


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The book was published in 2008 and is available as hardcover, paperback or for $8.16 as an electronic file. It includes a number of formulas which, Mirzayanov says, could be used to produce those chemical agents. But neither Porton Down nor the OPCW seem convinced that this is possible. They may believe that Mirzayanov is just full of it.

One customer reviewing Mirzayanov's book remarked:

[Needs] an editor to throttle back his epic "i'm an epic awesome martyr" stuff and stick to the science.

Another reviewer wrote:

State secrets is by far the most long winded and painfully slow novel on chemical weapons written by a disgruntled defected scientist from Russia I have ever read! If you want to hear an employ with delusions of grandeur moan about every person he ever worked with then this is the book for you, otherwise don't waste your sweet time. Seriously! Nothing happens except Vil somethingkov helps make things that kill people for 30 years, gets a (sort of) conscience, defects, and constantly whinges about.....everything.

Vil Mirzayanov promoted his book in a 2009 video. Shortly after he published his book he blogged an explanation why he included formulas in it:

While I was writing my book “State Secrets: An Insider’s Chronicle of the Russian Chemical Weapons Program”, some people from Washington persistently advised me not to include the formulas of the chemical agents of the Novichok series in my book.
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I asked why it would be a bad idea to publish this information, since it would be for the safety of all people. Then the governments would work to have those chemical agents and their precursors included into the Control List. They responded, “Terrorists could use them for their criminal actions.” This kind of reasoning is used all the time now to scare people and prevent any discussion. We are already used to ignoring a lot of real problems thanks to that.

Mirzayanov further points out that experienced personal in well equipped laboratories would be able to use his formulas. State actors have such laboratories, like the British Porton Down, but terrorists do not have such capabilities.

Mirzayanov urged to included the substances he described into the OPCW list of controlled material. But the OPCW, as seen above, rejected that. Neither its scientific board nor the head of the Porton Down detection laboratory were convinced that these substances or the Soviet program Mirzayanov described existed at all.

The Soviet chemical weapon laboratory in which Mirzayanov had worked was in Uzbekistan, not in Russia as Theresa May falsely claims. The laboratory was dismantled with the active help of the United States.

Theresa's May claims that the Skripals were poisoned with 'Novichok' agents is highly questionable. Her claim that only Russia could be responsible for the Skripal incident is obviously bollocks.

The existence of the substances as described by Vil Mirzayanov is in serious doubt. But if he is right then any state or company with a decent laboratory and competent personal can produce these substances from the formulas and descriptions he provides in his book. That is at least what Mirzayanov himself says.

But most disturbing about the case are not the false claims Theresa May makes. She is in deep political trouble over the Brexit negotiations and other issues and needs any political diversion that she can get. Blaming Russia for 'something' is en vogue and might help her for a while.

No, the most troubling issue is the behavior of the media who fail to point out that May's claims are bluster and that there is no evidence at all that supports her claims. The only paper that is somewhat skeptical is the Irish Times which finds it highly unlikely that the Russian government is behind the poisoning.

May demanded and got a NATO meeting on the case. But the statement NATO issued afterwards was extremely weak. It only offered support in conducting the British investigation and it asked Russia to respond to the British questions. Neither did it support the claims May made, nor did it take any measures against Russia. A French spokesperson said "We don’t do fantasy politics" and demanded 'definite conclusions' on the case before deciding anything. No support was given to May by the Trump administration (Update: U.S. ambassador to the UN Nick Haley has now jumped to May's aid.)

The story May wants to tell has way too much holes to be sustainable. The involvement of the British double agent Skripal in the fake Steele dossier about Trump is likely the real story behind the incident. No international support is coming for May. The British opposition leader Corbyn was right today when he demanded that she produces evidence for her claims. A few more pushes and her house of cards will surely come down.

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Well. Talk about Russian propaganda! I don't know where to start!!!! Some snowflake started "Note to spies"? Well, here's a note to NON-spies: we can prove that agents of the Russian Federation were directly responsible.

Posted by: Me | Mar 23, 2018 3:57:34 PM | 201

This act of chemical warfare shall not be tolerated. Enough said.

Posted by: Me | Mar 23, 2018 4:06:15 PM | 202

@ me - just skim everything and don't do any critical thinking.. you will go far in life!!!

Posted by: james | Mar 23, 2018 4:08:59 PM | 203

Or me or thee. What make it all such a stinkpot is that all of the state actors - and many ngos - have the capability and have used it for fun and profit. Ergo, whodunit? Well, the Putin-ative choice is soooo good....

Posted by: Dennis Regan | Mar 23, 2018 5:14:48 PM | 204

@ Me | Mar 23, 2018 3:57:34 PM | 203
„..., here's a note to NON-spies: we can prove that agents of the Russian Federation were directly responsible.“
Fine. Who is „we“ and why don't we see any link to something one can call a prove?

Posted by: Hausmeister | Mar 24, 2018 6:42:54 AM | 205

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The whole thing stinks, especially the way media spins it.

German Faz claims Putin threatened traitors in 2010.

This here is the independent version of it.

It is a shortened quote. What he did say seems to have been this - German version Sputnik news from 2010 - context Russian spies betrayed in the US - they were exchanged for among others Skripal:

Vor diesem Hintergrund sei der Verräter ein „Schwein“ und „Mistkerl“. Trotzdem gehöre es nicht zum Arsenal der gegenwärtigen russischen Geheimdienstler, Überläufer zu töten: „Was Verräter betrifft, werden sie von selbst eingehen“.
Translation: A traiter is a "pig" and a bad person. However, it was not the task of today's Russian secret services to kill them. They will die on their own.

That is quite the opposite of what is claimed, no?

They need the Russian bogeyman to claim budgets and a rise in armament. It makes no sense in today's interconnected world.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 24, 2018 8:13:17 AM | 206

Posted by: Stubbs | Mar 19, 2018 7:56:20 AM | 202
" It's reported he copped it by giving mouth to mouth resuscitation to the daughter, Yulia, when she was found on the park bench" reported where?
I have read an interview by a passing medical practioner who put Yulia into the recovery position after clearing her airway, but apart from her and a passing nurse, neither of whom suffered any ill effects, there has been no mention of any coppers there before the ambulance and their notification of a possible toxin loose.

Late to the party isn't in it - Did you see the link in off guardian or similar and, not wanting to pay the subscription required to post at the daily hate, you opted for a freebie post to an audience who are far more cognisant of what has been evidenced to have happened?

You could fill an old London phone book with nonsense allegations about this yet to be shown to be a poisoning, but no actual facts supported by Jo/Joe Bystanders who have no axe to grind, give credence to any of the nonsense about 'hero coppers' or for that matter, evil Russian assassins.
Terri is gonna have to do much better if she wants to turn this into anything more than a temporary distraction from the cake she has made of Brexit.

By the middle of the coming week she's gonna be right back where she was before the puzzlingly fortunate for tories, incident at Salisbury. She has no actual evidence of anything, despite englander media connivance having stretched this nonsense out for more than a week. By Wednesay the Rees-Mogg dingbat won't be able to keep a lid on his rampant ambition any longer, and in concert with that awful front-woman for the UDF gangsters, Mogg the derp will really hammer Terri in the daily hate and the Telly over the new border they believe is gonna be running down the guts of the Irish Sea.

A decent spy yarn requires intrigue, but intrigue without anything substantial to support it, always falls flat eventually, that then brings about a big skeptical storm of a backlash. People are strange, for some reason they get angry when a paid liar such as a sleazy, anything for a vote, politician tries to take them for a moron.
Any pol caught telling porkies is in for a rough time. but the old patriarchy thing really shows up if the pol doing the lying happens to be female. Ask H Clinton about the difficulty, well impossibility really, of getting straight with the voters again, of a woman politician managing to re-establish credibility once she has been caught 'fibbing'.
Women voters hate it because they believe it reflects badly on their gender, and when a male voter discovers a woman pol was less than honest about some story, no matter how old the story may have been, the bloke will equate the woman pol with some other woman from his past who he believes humiliated him.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 24, 2018 8:35:32 AM | 207

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You are right, in all likelihood politics is local.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 24, 2018 9:44:24 AM | 208

I don't doubt that 'Novichok' poisons are real. And somewhere in the US there are

some that are a lot worse.


What I'm having trouble with is whether the Skripals were bothered by poisoning at

all or whether they were secretly transported to Barsetshire immediately

Posted by: FSFF | Mar 27, 2018 8:25:37 PM | 209

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