March 29, 2018
Last Act Of 'Novichok' Drama Revealed - "The Skripals' Resurrection"
It seems that the 'Novichok' fairy-tale the British government plays to us provides for a happy ending - the astonishing and mysterious resurrection of the victims of a "military grade" "five to eight times more deadly than VX gas" "nerve agent" "of a type developed by" Hollywood.
Yulia Skripal no longer in critical condition, say Salisbury doctors
The condition of Yulia Skripal, who was poisoned with a nerve agent in Salisbury along with her father, is improving rapidly, doctors have said.
Salisbury NHS foundation trust said on Thursday the 33-year-old was no longer in a critical condition, describing her medical state as stable.
Christine Blanshard, medical director for Salisbury district hospital, said: “I’m pleased to be able to report an improvement in the condition of Yulia Skripal. She has responded well to treatment but continues to receive expert clinical care 24 hours a day."
Her father’s condition is still described by the hospital as critical but stable.
Only yesterday the Skripals chances to survive was claimed to be 1 out of 99. Nerve agents are deadly weapons. A dose of ten milligram of the U.S. developed VX nerve agent will kill 50% of those exposed to it. The 'Novichok' agents are said to be several times more deadly than VX.
It seems less and less likely that the British government claim about 'Novichok' poisoning is actually true. Way more likely are other explanations, for example food poisoning or an allergic shock soon after eating out at a fish restaurant.
The claims of a nerve agent and 'Novichok' seem to have been taken from the script of the British-American spy drama Strike Back (clip) which recently ran on British and U.S. TV. The sole purpose of the 'Novichok' drama is to implicate and damage Russia.
As the former MI6 spook Alastair Crooke writes:
The evidence is beside the point: here was the opportunity to close-off Trump’s ‘illusion’ of a possible détente with Russia. The narrative is all. We will likely never know the full story.
Yulia and Sergej Skripal were found unconscious on the afternoon of March 4.
The U.S. State Department says that its campaign to use the Skripal incident as a tool against Russia started on March 6, only two days after the incident and six full days before the British government raised accusations against Russia.
In her press briefing on March 27 the U.S. State Department spokeswomen Heather Nauert talked about the coordinated ousting of Russian diplomats by some "western" countries:
Our Deputy Secretary Sullivan, Assistant Secretary Wess Mitchell, and many others in the building across the interagency process have worked tirelessly over the past three weeks to achieve this unprecedented level of cooperation and also coordination. The end result – 151 Russian intelligence personnel sent home to Moscow – is a testimony of how seriously the world takes Russia’s ongoing global campaign to undermine international peace and stability, to threaten the sovereignty and security of countries worldwide, and to subvert and discredit Western institutions.
The above quote is from Nauert's prepared remarks, not the more free wheeling Q&A section.
The British prime minister made her allegations against Russia only on March 12:
"It is now clear that Mr Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with a military grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia.
This is part of a group of nerve agents known as 'Novichok'."
(See our earlier pieces, linked below, for many details on 'Novichok' and its history.)
May's announcement was similar to Tony Blair's "45 minutes" claim. A lie, concocted in a common propaganda operation with the U.S. government. As the Downing Street Memos said of the preparations for the war on Iraq:
C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
There are several details that debunk the 'Novichok' thesis.
The specialists in the British chemical weapon laboratory in Porton Down, which gets millions of U.S. military research dollars, did not agree with the 'Novichok' claim for whatever effected the Skripals. May's phrase "of a type developed by Russia' was politically negotiated. As ambassador Craig Murray provided:
I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO source that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve agent as being of Russian manufacture, and have been resentful of the pressure being placed on them to do so. Porton Down would only sign up to the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” after a rather difficult meeting where this was agreed as a compromise formulation.
But was there really a nerve agent involved?
A doctor who administered first aid to Yulia Skripal for 30 minutes was not effected at all. The emergency services suspected the victims had received on overdose of fentanyl.
Doctor Steven Davies, who leads the emergency service of the Salisbury District Hospital, wrote in a letter to the London Times:
Sir, Further to your report "Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment", (Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only been ever been three patients with significant poisoning.
A Court of Protection judgment about the Skripals issued on March 22 quotes as witness a Porton Down chemical and biological analyst:
Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent or closely related agent.
"Indicated exposure" is a rather weak formulation. It means that no 'novichok' was found but decomposition products of something that may have been a nerve agent or not. A blood sample may "test positive" for all kinds of stuff but that does not say anything about the amount or about the lethality of any of the "positive tested" elements. The 'Novichok' nerve agents are organophosphates like many of the usual insecticides are. These break down relatively fast. A walk through a field freshly sprayed with some insecticide or the domestic use of such a product might leave similar decomposition products in the bloodstream as a nerve agent attack.
The Court of Protection also said that no relative or friend contacted the authorities about the Skripals. That was evidently false (ru).
Today, 25 days after the incident, the police say they suspect that the Skripals were poisoned from the front door of their home. Today, 25 days after the incident, they removed the front door. I believe that this decision was based on a "most plausible story" guess and not on material evidence. If the door had tested positive for a nerve agent it would have been removed weeks ago. This is, like those people in high protection suits roaming around Salisbury, just theater.
The Skripals were said to have left their home at 9:00am in the morning. They collapsed relatively sudden at 4:00pm in the afternoon. Is this seven hour delay consistent with being severely affected by a "military grade" highly toxic nerve agent? I doubt it.
But even if a nerve agent of the 'novichok' type was involved the jump to allegations against Russia is completely baseless. David B. Collum is Professor for Organic Chemistry at Cornell University. He really, really knows this stuff:
Dave Collum @DavidBCollum - 12:54 AM - 27 Mar 2018
I will say it again: Anybody who tells you this nerve agent must have come from Russia is a liar--a complete and utter liar. They are simple compounds.
The Skripals are getting better. Good for them. But their resurrection from certain death is a further dint in the British government's claim of 'nerve agent' 'of a type developed by Russia'.
The whole anti-Russian campaign constructed out of it is just ridiculous and deeply dishonest. The five page propaganda handout the British provided to other governments is a joke. It provided no solid facts on the case. To respond to it rationally, as Russia tries to do, makes little sense.
An editorial (recommended) in the Chinese Global Times captures the utter disgust such behavior creates elsewhere:
The fact that major Western powers can gang up and "sentence" a foreign country without following the same procedures other countries abide by and according to the basic tenets of international law is chilling.
Over the past few years the international standard has been falsified and manipulated in ways never seen before.
It is beyond outrageous how the US and Europe have treated Russia. Their actions represent a frivolity and recklessness that has grown to characterize Western hegemony that only knows how to contaminate international relations. Right now is the perfect time for non-Western nations to strengthen unity and collaborative efforts among one another.
Resurrection or not - the result of the 'Novichok' nonsense will not be to our 'western' favor.
Previous Moon of Alabama reports on the Skripal case:
Posted by b on March 29, 2018 at 02:59 PM | Permalink
The Skripals are complicit in this hoax. They were given a dozen Valium's each and an enema and then rushed to the bench where they shit themselves for the cameras.
Posted by: Whorin Piece | Mar 30, 2018 5:28:06 AM | 101
To be fair the 1 in 99 chance was just a complete guess by a relative in possibly the only piece of actually journalism in the story (everything else is just plain re-writing of background info). Russian journalism though.
Posted by: michael d | Mar 30, 2018 6:08:05 AM | 102
One commentator on this thread, simeon, complained about me censoring his comments.
I indeed do that. "Simeon" had earlier posted under various other names: nuttyahoobotcom, paul, golda, charles, oliver tobias, david cheese etc. None of his comments was of value.
Sockpuppetry is a no-no here.
Other people were recently banned for posting whole pieces from other websites, for various anti-semitic claims of "jews rule the word" and "putin is a jew" and the like, and for personally insulting your host for no good reason.
People who do the above get banned, their comments are deleted. When they come back (they try) I will continue to delete their comments.
Posted by: b | Mar 30, 2018 7:50:46 AM | 104
b @ 103:
Please explain how phrases like "jews rule the word" and "putin is a jew" are "anti-semitic".
Posted by: Real Semite | Mar 30, 2018 8:03:22 AM | 105
Emily @ 98
[i]britian and human rights... they don't have any.. if they did, they would be treating julian assange very differently.. they are one bullshit country, and this is further proof of it, in case the skripal example wasn't enough...
As a loyal Brit - I can only write - absolutely spot on - you are absolutely right and thats just the tip of the iceberg.
Under the May regime - its little more - propped up as it is by a northern Irish vote or two - we have lost the right to free speech and freedom of association
We are widely spied on and have a police force who regard a 'hate crime' on facebook (as long as its a white crime) as a higher priority than a violent assault.
Anyone like Tommy standing up against it are harrassed and arrested,
We are over run with islam into the bargain.
Few Brits would argue that May is the worse PM in our history.
She is making even Blair look marginally better.[/i]
Agree with you on all of that. Except the 'loyal' aspect. What I have seen the UK become in the past 20 years is not a place I respect any more. May [i[knows [/i] she's hated and ineffectual but is determined to grandstand on the world stage; she is Thatcher manquée and knows that when she goes, she wants to be remembered.
The whole British government is little more than a joke, laughed at by the international community. That, its current behaviour, makes me hang my head in shame.
Posted by: Bevin Kacon | Mar 30, 2018 8:07:45 AM | 106
Loyal indeed I am - to a fault.
I haven't voted for the lib/lab/con - the British one party state - in many years.
I am a UKIPer.
I can at least sleep at night in the knowledge I have not betrayed my country, that I support the Party who gave Britain the chance to regain its sovereignty and independence via the referendum - Brexit - and UKIP
Worked my socks off to help win it.
Tell me how, Bevin (106), I prove my loyalty in your eyes.
Posted by: Emily | Mar 30, 2018 8:59:21 AM | 107
UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson earlier agreed with an MP who said that “Putin is going to use it [the World Cup] in the way Hitler used the 1936 Olympics” – to boost Russia's image.
The Western policians and MSM said the exact same thing when China hosted 2008 Beijing Olympics.
Something just never changes.
Posted by: mali | Mar 30, 2018 9:38:34 AM | 109
Posted by: mali | Mar 30, 2018 9:38:34 AM | 109
Yes, Zacharowa was happy to point out that Britain's upper class happily took part in Hitler's PR whilst the Soviet Union was excluded.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2018 10:22:13 AM | 112
UK government is preparing laws to censor internet, so they would not care too much about dissenters like MOA
Posted by: Arioch | Mar 30, 2018 10:41:16 AM | 113
Posted by: carrie | Mar 30, 2018 9:40:24 AM | 110
As I pointed out a couple of weeks back, for me the most likely suspect for the Skirpal poisoning was a headchopper who was getting trained in chemical warfare at Porton Downs. The wannabe mass muderer went into town for a spot of luncheon and was angered by the sound of two people talking Russian, his last lab in Gouta had been bombed by Russians, so he sloshed a few drops of nerve juice onto the Skirpals fettucine marinaras while they were distractedly arguing over exchange rates thw rouble to quid rate has been going up and down quicker than whore's drawers since the moronic englanders blindly backed brexit).
Now it is true I may have been jesting when I first posted that hypothesis but it has considerably more logic to it than anything maybot has claimed, and is supported by evidence that amerika had been supplying CW manufacturing equipment to jihadi chem warfare factories. They have also been subcontracting out their chem and bio jobs to Porton - most likely since the embarrassment caused at their own facility back in the noughties when some of the bio worker/s posted out the homebrand anthrax to assorted media and political figures who they didn't appear like very much, if at all.
It is the proximity of Salisbury to Porton Downs that is the biggest unanswered 'coincidence' in this affair, leading one to conclude that the Skipals may merely have been an unfortunate target of convenience.
A scene somewhat along the lines of the bloke from Syria hypothesis also explains the englander government's hamfisted and deceitful actions. Making a loud noise about the victims while failing to mention Porton Downs proximity to Salisbury for the first couple of weeks has created a big distraction away from something which is at heart just another USuk fuck-up.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 30, 2018 10:41:56 AM | 114
add to 111
Actually, the Russian-Qatar football world championship might be the decisive clue.
Christopher Steele's company Orbis for whom Skripal presumably worked was tasked by the British Football Association to do "opposition research" on the FIFA's decision.
Here is "der Spiegel"'s version - in German.
Brief summary - the decision for Russia and Qatar created a large market for private intelligence companies with numerous subcontractors who don't know each other.
Working for the British application Orbis had access to information from the net of British embassies and the secret services placed there.
Numerous companies employing top US and British spies tried to sell information to the highest bidder from 2010/11 onwards. There are indications that Russia and Qatar took information from the market by paying millions.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2018 10:49:35 AM | 115
In this story, the most trustworthy sources are the Salisbury doctors, the scientists in the chemical detection lab at Porton Down, and their Russian counterparts. The least trustworthy source is the police investigation by Counter-Terrorism Command who have a track record (in the Litvinenko poisoning case) of fabricating evidence.
I don't think there's any doubt that the Skripals were poisoned with a nerve agent, causing prolonged and total paralysis from which Yulia is now beginning to recover.
The Russians seem to know one way or another (they say Boris Johnson told the ambassador) that this nerve agent is the compound denoted A-234 in Mirzayanov's 2008 book. There is no evidence apart from Mirzayanov's story that this compound was ever synthesized in Russia, or that the "novichok" programme ever existed.
A printout of a record from the NIST 98 database, shown on Russian TV by Professor Igor Rybalchenko, indicates that Edgewoood studied this compound around 1998. This record has been deleted from the database, suggesting that the US has something to hide.
Posted by: yoffa | Mar 30, 2018 11:20:59 AM | 116
5. "So I again pose the question I've been nattering on about for weeks now: since the UK government chose to put itself far out on a greasy limb, what is their anticipated endgame?" ORT.Mar 29, 2018 3:26:52 PM
I would posit the entire end game for all this #RussiaGate business is the protection of the integrity and hegemony of the European Union and concomitantly NATO. Brexit has presented a huge challenge to the EU and I am fairly certain many well-heeled in EURO paper are greatly concerned about their capital. We see the veritable domino effect of this nationalist trend now in Italy, Spain, and Germany and it scares hell out of Brussels. Former presidential candidate Clinton was clearly the [anti]Brexit candidate while the current POTUS Trump is, truth be known, could give rat's patootie about any European Union. Ergo, destroy Trump, weaken Russia, by any means necessary and help preserve the elite in European Union.
Posted by: oneil | Mar 30, 2018 11:31:23 AM | 117
old micro @ 98
Your comments are much appreciated,
just wanted to tell you (remind you?) of the wisdom of William R Polk.
Back in the JFK/Cuba Missile days, Polk ran war games for USA leaders, in which one side used a nuclear weapon. Every time the result was total nuclear war ending with nuclear winter for planet earth.
In Polk's view, this proves there is no such thing as a limited nuclear war exchange/war. The process of escalation is inevitable once any nuclear weapon is used by any party. This result was a shock to JFK and his military leaders.
I do not see any reason to think that this inevitability of total disaster has changed.
Posted by: mauisurfer | Mar 30, 2018 11:51:07 AM | 118
Very interesting reporting linked to by Carrie #110 -- thnx for posting it.
I found this current info about a US Assistant Secretary, Department of Health, very, well, timely. Attending a EU seminar on--ta dah!-- March 7. Yes, of 2018.
US official lied in Brussels about the Pentagon biolaboratories
Robert Kadlec, Assistant Secretary at the US Department of Health, categorically denied the existence of an American bio-weapons program at a seminar on the threat of biological and chemical weapons. The event was organized by the European Parliament on 7th March in Brussels. Asked why the information about the US military bio-laboratories in 25 countries bordering on Russia, China and Iran (the Pentagon’s main rivals) is classified, Kadlec responded: “They are not classified, they are openly available to anyone who wants to look at them.”
(full video of Robert Kadlec’s comment here)
The article covers several contracts the US has with Porton Down to test weaponized poison/germ/whatever kills. Unlike Hollywood, animals WERE killed in these tests.
Posted by: jawbone | Mar 30, 2018 12:03:54 PM | 119
March 7 is interesting. The term 'nerve agent' entered the Skripal narrative on 7th, and as far as I can find in looking up news articles from that time period, is also the day when the poisoned policeman entered the narrative.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 30, 2018 12:12:55 PM | 121
Maria Zakharova had a good one in her discussion yesterday of the UK list of Russian aggressions:
"Especially perplexing is the accusation against Russia of hacking into the German Bundestag in 2015 that Britain added to its growing list of grievances. Colleagues, we would like to remind you that we broke into the Bundestag only once, in 1945 while liberating Berlin from the Nazi scourge, and at that time it was called the Reichstag."
Posted by: Bart Hansen | Mar 30, 2018 12:27:16 PM | 122
add to 115
Andres McCabe legal fund for battle with Trump reaches 300000 in hours
McCabe says he was fired as FBI deputy director because he is a crucial witness in Russia investigation
While he was the FBI’s deputy director, McCabe was deeply involved in overseeing investigations related to former secretary of state Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server, and whether Russia colluded with Trump’s campaign. Trump has denied any collusion occurred and Russia has denied meddling.
McCabe and the Steele Dossier
Mr. McCabe began his career as a special agent with the FBI in 1996. He first reported to the New York Division, where he investigated a va
riety of organized crime matters. In 2003, he became the supervisory special agent of the Eurasian Organized Crime Task Force, a joint operation with the New York City Police Department.
So they infiltrated them?
Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2018 12:35:41 PM | 123
add to 122
The FBI versus FIFA
In early 2010, Randall, then 28, was assigned to a specialized group of FBI agents in lower Manhattan. The Eurasian organized crime unit, led by a veteran mob investigator named Michael Gaeta, scrutinized criminal groups from Georgia, Russia and Ukraine that were running sophisticated scams in the U.S. As Randall and Gaeta linked street-level criminal operators to figures in Eastern Europe's business and political elite, they started piecing together a string of rumors that led them to an unsettling conclusion: Russia might be bribing its way to host the 2018 World Cup.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2018 12:46:41 PM | 124
Yoffa @ 115. Many things have been scrubbed from the Internet. I posted back in 1999 a letter to the editor of Science regarding the proposed stockpiling of Ciproflxacin for a potential anthrax attack response. I noted that a single mutation of one base pair of DNA renders the bacteria resistant to Cipro. They went ahead and bought it any way despite my observations. Two years later we had the anthrax letters. Coincidence? Cipro is still listed as the antibiotic of choice yet it is easy to engineer resistance.
I can cite other examples but suffice it to say this is the modern cencorship.
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Mar 30, 2018 12:49:44 PM | 125
Re: DS Nick Bailey's hospitalization
HuffPo has him entering hospital on March 4, but no mention of his going to the Skripal residence. "He was taken to Salisbury District Hospital after responding to the attack" on the Skripals. So, to emergency some time after initially responding to the couple on March 4 and released on March 22. No mention of his going to the house.
Bailey's statement was read by Chief Constable Kier Pritchard and, to my ear, it sounded like a careful, well written PR release. Basically little informaton. The experience was "surreal" came the closest to describing how he felt. And that's the part usually run on the broadcast TV news I saw. No mention of how he was treated, whether he had any physical therapy. Has anyone heard he speak? or is that area of lingering effects of the exposure to...whatever it was?
Posted by: jawbone | Mar 30, 2018 12:52:47 PM | 126
Mauisurfer @98 I was referring to the choices Putin and his government have to make. The nutty US leadership believes their ABM system is completely foolproof and will shoot down every Russian missile. Because of this they believe a first strike against Moscow will go unanswered. Putin has made statements about getting in the first blow with bullies. A CBG is considered impossible to destroy under American doctrine. It would serve as a wake up call and doesn’t require any nuclear weapons to do it. A response with nukes would be inappropriate unless Russia decides to take out a US city in response to a nuclear use perhaps against Iran or DPNK. I am only musing how bad this could get. Things are evolving rapidly so it is going to be an interesting year.
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Mar 30, 2018 12:57:11 PM | 127
CrossTalk on Anti-Russia Hysteria: Crisis Point?
The first speaker makes some good points in his first and second turn, especially Skripal's connection to the Brexit negotiations.
Posted by: ninel | Mar 30, 2018 1:13:27 PM | 128
Jawbone, the article you link to is dated march 22. Articles dated 5th/6th of march are needed.
At the moment, it seems the policeman was poisoned on the 5th or 6th when there where already pics of people in protective suits. The story on the policeman has chopped and changed a lot - he was a first responder, he was poisoned at the house ect ect. I think the confusion in the policeman part of the narrative is that he was poisoned perhaps two day later, and had to be fitted into the narrative retrospectively.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 30, 2018 1:14:20 PM | 129
@ Arioch 112
'UK government is preparing laws to censor internet, so they would not care too much about dissenters like MOA'
Well, apparently they've taken away the loose concept of Free Speech. The most monitored dis-united mess on the planet seems determined to keep its sheeple in check.
Posted by: Bevin Kacon | Mar 30, 2018 1:23:15 PM | 130
125 I assume it is true that the police officer caught it from the door handle same as the front door being the place of the strongest distribution of the chemical agent as this fact does not support any proof of Russian state involvement.
Quite the contrary - it works more like a Mafia warning, whoever might get it the postman, a neighbour, Skripals does not matter.
There is this guy and he is from Uzbekistan.
He spent long years in Europe before he returned to Russia. So I suppose he features in all kinds of secret service files.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2018 1:25:44 PM | 131
Definitely UK false flag MI6 operation that must have CIA cooperation. Very dangerous. The US and its Anglosphere and EU vassals must be desperate.
Posted by: AriusArmenian | Mar 30, 2018 1:35:30 PM | 133
re mauisurfer | Mar 30, 2018 11:51:07 AM | 117
Many thanks for the information regarding William Polk. I have been looking for that source for some time, it is very important to bring that point about NATO war games into any discussion about the use of "tactical" nuclear weapons. Once you cross the nuclear firebreak, you open Pandora's Box to the road to Hell.
Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 30, 2018 1:51:42 PM | 134
@ 96 /97 /103 emily...thanks... hopefully some positive changes will happen and we will live to see them..
@112 arioch... that wouldn't surprise me.... why bother with freedom, when some type oftotalitarian state is the new thing in the uk?
@115 yoffa... very good comments as per usual from you... thanks..
Posted by: james | Mar 30, 2018 1:56:08 PM | 136
For completeness, add this resource to 110 and 118, it's the first report by Dilyana Gaytandzhieva, The Pentagon Bio-Weapons
Haven't time to read it myself just now but... for those who have...
Posted by: carrie | Mar 30, 2018 2:02:40 PM | 137
several snippets on DS (Detective Sgt) Bailey
>It is confirmed that a police officer, later confirmed as DS Nick Bailey, is fighting for his life in hospital.-- Mar 8
>The pair are in a critical condition in a local hospital. A police officer who helped investigate is in serious condition, and a total of 21 people have received medical treatment. Former London police chief Ian Blair said Friday that a police officer who is in serious condition visited Skripal's house — perhaps a hint that the nerve agent may have been delivered there. Blair told BBC radio that Det. Sgt. Nick Bailey "has actually been to the house, whereas there is a doctor who looked after the patients in the open who hasn't been affected at all. There may be some clues floating around in here." -- Mar 9
>DS Nick Bailey is seriously ill in hospital having visited the home of Skripal after the defector and his daughter were found slumped on a bench in Salisbury, Wiltshire, on Sunday afternoon. Investigators want to know whether Bailey visited the scene where the two Russians were found and was poisoned there or by items there, or whether the officer was contaminated on his visit to Skripal’s home. Sources say that, while it is not certain, it is believed more likely that Bailey became contaminated on his visit to the home. -- Mar 9
>But last night it emerged the police officer who also fell ill after responding to the incident, visited Mr Skripal's home before he collapsed. Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey remains in a serious condition in hospital. According to reports, he tended to the victims at the scene and then visited both the Skripal home.A source told The Times: "He was at both places. "First he was where they collapsed, trying to help them, then he went to the house, in that order." -- Mar 10
>DS Bailey, who was among the first to attend to Mr Skripal and his daughter Yulia, before possibly examining their red BMW, where it is thought the nerve agent Novichok may have been placed, was initially discharged from hospital after a check up. He later admitted to Accident and Emergency at Salisbury District Hospital feeling extremely unwell. DS Bailey is now described as in a stable condition -- Mar 15
>Concern for the family of the police officer who went to the aid of the poisoned Russian spy has grown after Army and police sealed off his street and began work to remove his car for examination. Speculation grew that Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey may have carried traces of the nerve agent Novichok home with him after attempting to resuscitate Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia. -- Mar 15
>PM Theresa May visits Salisbury and meets privately with DS Nick Bailey. His car is removed from his home as part of the investigation.-- Mar 15
>The police officer who was hospitalized after rushing to help a former Russian spy and his daughter suffering from a poison attack in Salisbury, England, was discharged Thursday [Mar 22]. Bailey was treated at Salisbury District Hospital for several weeks after being exposed to the same deadly and rare nerve agent that the U.K. government says was used to target former intelligence officer Sergie Skirpal, 66, and Yulia, 33. -- Mar 22
Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 30, 2018 2:23:37 PM | 138
I should have highlighted that DS Bailey was initially discharged from hospital after a check up.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 30, 2018 2:27:01 PM | 139
Chemical weapons attack field drill on the same day.
Krollchem | Mar 30, 2018 12:23:13 AM | 78
There is always a "drill" taking place in the immediate vicinity addressing the same problem (terrorists, shooters, CW)whenever these events happen isn't there? A drill was happening on 9/11 and has been every time right up to the latest at a Florida school.
Posted by: frances | Mar 30, 2018 2:36:46 PM | 140
Yet a new low
Maybe its time for Russia to offer scholarships to foreign scientists? I suspect many would like to join Snowden and others
Posted by: Mina | Mar 30, 2018 2:45:05 PM | 141
The butler did it using the candlestick from the library - obviously...
Posted by: fredjc | Mar 30, 2018 2:48:35 PM | 142
Turkey didn't get aboard the anti-Russia hoopla express. The OPCW chief is a Turk, now involved in evidence-gathering in Salisbury. Russia objected to OPCW findings in Syria, so it's a mixed bag. Russia pushed for a closed OPCW meeting (presumably at The Hague) April 4. FM Lavrov has advised OPCW to stick to technical findings and not point fingers.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 30, 2018 2:49:47 PM | 143
from Mar 29 State Dept briefing--
Our ambassador was called into the Russian foreign ministry this afternoon – excuse me, this evening Moscow time. We’re now reviewing the Russian Government’s note informing us of their response. It appears that Russia has chosen to take the regrettable, unwarranted action to respond to our entirely justified action that I just covered. As I understand it, Russia plans to take the same unjustified actions against 28 other countries, countries that stood in solidarity with the UK. Russia is further isolating itself following the brazen chemical attack. We are still reviewing the details of the Russian action, but let me say, again, that we reserve the right [to respond] further to any Russian retaliation against the United States. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 30, 2018 2:58:55 PM | 144
I detect that the medics at Salisbury are not reading from the official script. Someone mentioned Yulia has been moved from Salisbury hospital. This is worrying. Hope she doesn't suddenly have a relapse.
Posted by: cdvision | Mar 30, 2018 3:02:21 PM | 145
Thnx to Carrie and Don Bacon for the additional info.
Don - I hadn't come across the tidbit about DS Bailey having been checked out of the emergency area earlier in the...day? early evening? Anyway, I am trying to suss out why rather late in the timeline his house and car were searched. Maybe he did drive himself home? Thus the concern about exposure to his family?
Carrie - Dilyana Gaytandzhieva is a brave journalist. I hadn't noticed the facegook URL. Usually, not wanting to be Facebooked, i just ignore any FB links. Can FB get its hooks into someone who just "window shops" so to speak. Drat.
Posted by: jawbone | Mar 30, 2018 3:04:22 PM | 146
The Bulgarian journalist, Dilyana Gaytandzhiev, has just tweeted -
Yulia #Skripal last used VK on 7 March while in critical condition at the hospital in #Salisbury 3 days after the alleged nerve agent attack
Posted by: Cochore | Mar 30, 2018 3:10:33 PM | 147
"I think the confusion in the policeman part of the narrative is that he was poisoned perhaps two day later, and had to be fitted into the narrative retrospectively."
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 30, 2018 1:14:20 PM | 128
I think the policeman was thrown into the mix because the female doctor who gave the girl cpr on the spot, the ambulance attendees and driver were all right as rain. They needed another "on the scene" victim to drown out the obvious, that whatever "it" was was not contagious. There is also the young man who first found them who said he got spittle on his sleeve from the male but brushed it off (with his bare hand) and that was that. Whatever it is, it is clearly not the super awesome awful evil Russian elixir.
Posted by: frances | Mar 30, 2018 3:13:30 PM | 148
On Bailey -- Telegraph.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 30, 2018 3:19:50 PM | 149
I would guess that it is east2west news (aka SCL Group/Cambridge Analytica?) that have accessed Yulia Skripal's VK account. All the Skripal photos that are appearing in the media originate with east2west news and look to be taken from social media.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 30, 2018 3:20:02 PM | 150
Posted by: AriusArmenian | Mar 30, 2018 1:35:30 PM | 132
They have been largely privatised and there seem to be different factions fighting it out for different paymasters.
This here is before the Skripal "incident"
Government crackdown on 'McMafia' organised crime sees Russian billionaires ask Kremlin to return home.
Wealthy Russian oligarchs have written to the Kremlin asking if they can return home without fear of arrest after the Government vowed to use its "full force" to tackle corruption in the UK, it was reported last night.
The country's business ombudsman Boris Titov said a list of ten businessman had been passed to President Vladimir Putin, which contained names of individuals who had allegedly fled the country "not to be detained there".
It comes after security minister Ben Wallace vowed to crackdown on foreign criminals and corrupt politicians who are said to use Britain as a haven to allegedly carry out suspected corruption.
Officials will use new unexplained wealth orders (UWOs) - which came into effect last week - to seize suspicious assets until they have been properly accounted for.
The move came as London's role as a playground for Russian gangsters and the super rich has been highlighted by the BBC drama series McMafia.
This here is after the Skripal "incident"
In a sign that some EU countries will put the emphasis on the UK to put its own house in order, rather than agree new collective steps, Norbert Röttgen, chairman of Germany’s parliamentary foreign affairs committee, said the case showed the need to target the fudged boundary between the Russian state security apparatus and organised crime. “The case should be a reason for Britain to examine its open stance towards Russian capital of dubious origin,” Röttgen said.
MEPs were questioning whether the UK would use new legislation – such as unexplained wealth orders that are included in the Criminal Finance Act 2017 – to challenge some Russian millionaires living in London. Ministers have insisted the orders will be used but say they cannot risk using them in a way that undermines the UK’s reputation for judicial independence.
Russian state interest would be for the money to return, I suppose.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2018 3:32:36 PM | 151
Posted by: john | Mar 30, 2018 3:59:24 PM | 153
Alexander Mercouris adds some important points about the court ruling that allowed for the additional blood samples to be taken, as well as several others.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 30, 2018 4:10:20 PM | 154
Blair was caught outright lying in Iraq WMD to massacre million of Iraqis with US. So what happen? He walked free, no Britons protest or make noise.
Similarly, May will walk free no matter how. These evil politicians are the result of f**king British people, their DNA is pathogenic liars,instigator for riots & wars, murderers, and imperialism. Whoever get elected, do tge same evil & get away free. British will elect another evil clown to replace the outgoing evil to close their evil deeds like Iraq war.
UK doesn't want to sink with Brixit helplessly, it want another ww3 so it can bet a last chance of resurrection, but this time she may have totally sink to bottom.
God cursed the Queen & her evil subjects.
Posted by: anonymous | Mar 30, 2018 4:19:40 PM | 155
UK is now been classified as the Global HQ Capital of Paedophiles, child sex trafficking, child porno viewers, which involved their powerful royals & political elites, who then suppressed all investigation for decades. Its so widespread that their police chief has recently suggested not to criminalize child porn viewing, as it would means majority of Britons going to jail. police & prison will be overwhelmed.
Unz.com has a article on it.
What can one expects from the descendants of such paedophiles, and their grown up victims that are now forming the majority of UK people & their leaders? The problem does not lied on May or Boris that are typical example of British elites, but on a very sick nation and country.
Posted by: anonymous | Mar 30, 2018 4:52:29 PM | 158
Thanks james for the video. It has been such a pathetically staged false flag that I had to laugh, and celebrate the good news that Yulia S is recovering. I always thought the Germans made great machines, the French great fashion, while the English excelled at skullduggery. I like that word; it rhymes with buggery and is defined as “underhand, unscrupulous, or dishonest behaviour or activities.” Surely that is what the English upper class or Perfidious Albion, as they used to be known as, have excelled at. For example, for 150 years they managed to put a concrete lid on the fact that they deliberately massacred half the Irish population, 5.2 million people, between the years 1845 and 1850, by drafting in 100,000 troops and stealing all their food, and then calling the whole wretched affair “The Irish Potato Famine” (see irishholocaust.org). So what has happened to those masters of the dark forces?
Posted by: Lochearn | Mar 30, 2018 5:02:06 PM | 159
I'd watch out for a false flag at the Commonwealth Games .. as a precursor to banning the world cup from Russia. I'd keep a very close eye to/ear to the ground on the Commonwealth games ...
Posted by: Maximus | Mar 30, 2018 5:02:57 PM | 160
This is a bit funny. A flack of Her Majesty Foreign minister says:
"Georgia is the latest country that has joined us in this effort. I believe they announced today that they would kick out one spy, which is significant, given that Georgia is in the backyard of Russia."
Poor Georgia, tried to be nice and is insulted for their good efforts, and Brits probably have no idea what is offensive in this sentence. Georgia, you better cherish your quiet place between compost heap and the tool shed.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 30, 2018 5:04:36 PM | 161
Actually, recovery of Yulia is not strange, however lethal a poison is, there exists a dose that is harmful but not lethal. That does not change the fact that the British investigation and the cooperation of NATO allies suggests that these officials prepared by carefully reading Witch Hammer.
NYT had a commentary by an Estonian think tanker. He noted with pleasure that at last Russia cannot exploit "plausible deniability". The vile Ruskies are capable of nefarious activities that cannot be proven using ordinary legal standards, say, by finding a proof, but now NATO allies got wiser and decided to move forward without falling for "Putin's trap", i.e. delaying any response until some proofs are found. No, no, no! The very fact that nothing concrete can be found attests to the skill of perpetrator, and the combination of (1) ability (2) motivation and (3) brutality leaves only one possible culprit. For example, Ukrainian extremists have some ability, being present in security apparatus of Ukraine, some motivation and some brutality, but the ability should be judged as low because they are so stupid.
Needless to say, pondering alternatives like I did in the last sentence is a crime thought. Joining UK in expelling diplomats of RF proves that your mind is healthy and free of crime. Sh.t, crime though again: they are not diplomats but spies, the mere fact of being expelled attests to the fact that they are spies. I am afraid that Piotr is a hopeless case, he cannot strings three sentences together without a crime thought. What a sick, criminal and traitorous mindset it is.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 30, 2018 5:32:52 PM | 163
Posted by: daffyDuct | Mar 30, 2018 5:25:53 PM | 161
They were killed by "anonymous" roadside bombs attributed to ISIS. An incentive for the "coalition" to remain in Syria to fight ISIS?
Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2018 5:39:50 PM | 164
@ Piotr. I had a thought, which is that Mrs May, when presented with the plan, balked at the idea of people getting killed. She lacks the Thatcher sink the Belgrano mind set. She gets stuck in the middle of things, dithering. This presented the security services with a problem and must have annoyed them. They had to go with something else, which most likely was something ingested. Which is why they didn't treat it as a major nerve gas incident from the start and got them into a mess.
Posted by: Lochearn | Mar 30, 2018 5:48:12 PM | 166
"seeing how deep the level of denial is at the foundation of of the usa."
But isn't denial subconscious?
The explanations we hear from The US, UK,and EU plus other nations, isn't
based on unconscious thought. It's as conscious as insisting that Austria's
recently elected government, which demand more proof than May is willing to
offer, eject one or two Russian diplomats.
"Russia has chosen to take the regrettable, unwarranted action to respond to
our entirely justified action .... Russia plans to take the same unjustified
actions against 28 other countries, that stood in solidarity with the UK."
'Our entirely justified action' is the same as Russia's "same unjustified actions'.
Posted by: FSFF | Mar 30, 2018 6:14:29 PM | 167
Further to my last comment I think May blocked the nerve gas killing at the last minute. Then the intelligence guys had to imrpovise, and it is the results of that improvisation that is baffling us.
Posted by: Lochearn | Mar 30, 2018 6:32:26 PM | 168
I made a similar comment a few days ago as to why the Skripals were still alive. That May balked at sanctioning murder on British soil.
Of course, all this will be evident to Russia. One awaits their next move.
Posted by: cdvision | Mar 30, 2018 6:58:31 PM | 169
@158 lochearn... you're welcome! i thought it was funny.. what else can one do when the craziness continues? the west seems to be really losing it here.. as @156 spudski notes - more of the same from the uk with plane search, and on and on it goes...
@166 FSFF - yes! your last line sums up the madness, thanks the usa and uks approach here..it was interesting in that daily press briefing as there was one or two reporters that had the audacity to challenge the official script... i always go back to these 2 countries were the one's sanctioning war on iraq... nothing is ever learned it seems..
in other news... pat lang has changed up his commenting format.. i think i drove him crazy, lol... not that pat is a shill for the empire, but he gets very touchy when anyone says anything negative on the usa's actions, which is kind of what i do all the time!
Posted by: james | Mar 30, 2018 7:12:45 PM | 170
If May blocked the nerve gas killing at the last minute, when did she block it?
That day? A week earlier?
Did she feel that Russia's alleged action had to take place exactly 2 weeks
before Russia's presidential election or would she have been satisfied with
10 or 12 days beforehand?
Or was Yulia in on MI6's act from the get go?
Was May aware or not that Yulia was visiting her father and and would have
to be included in the double murder before she returned home? Or was Yulia's
presence what lead May to block the double murder of the Skripals?
Or was her poisoning part of the plot to make Russia look even more heinous?
How annoyed were MI6 that she made this change before the Skripals visited
the cemetery when MI6 could have had some dupe there with a cell phone and
taking a video of MI6's Russian-looking thugs doing MURDER MOST FOUL.
Posted by: FSFF | Mar 30, 2018 7:29:54 PM | 171
re 169. Pat Lang is 76+, he only wants to hear now what he wants to hear. Any rubbish from European whiners, like b and me, is not worth it.
Posted by: Laguerre | Mar 30, 2018 7:44:14 PM | 172
" nothing is ever learned it seems.."
Talk about historical fiction.
Where would we be if people ever learned things?
Posted by: FSFF | Mar 30, 2018 7:46:37 PM | 173
Nah I cannot buy May getting an attack of conscience and calling off murder, before being PM May was Home Secretary for 4 years and since england allegedly abolished the death penalty the home secretary is the person who approves state sanctioned killings. amerikan police might execute more unwhite citizens than england, but these police organised murder traps are still committed in england and Terri May had no problem approving plans and assisting with cover ups. I realise it is all fiction but in those englander historical costume dramas the englanders push out, there is generally an offsider to the king who gets his arse down to the tower to 'supervise' torture and murder ensuring it all goes to plan - that is the home secretary, the political bridge between the executive and state violence. May could never have held down that job for so long if she wet her pants at the thought of knocking off a couple of foreigners - russians to boot, so most likely gangsters in her mind.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 30, 2018 7:48:44 PM | 174
FSFF @170 and Debsisdead @173
My guess is the CIA and MI5/6 planned to knock off Skripal senior as a false flag. Given the approval by May.
All designed to coincide with false flag chemical weapons attacks in Syria.
This plan was in the pipeline for a while.
But, the Russians learned of the plan and stymied the party in Syria with the capture of chemical facilities in Ghouta and the unprecedented warning by the Russian CoS to attack launchers as well as missiles. And Putin gave his warning on March 1st about Armageddon.
CIA and MI5/6 still want to go ahead, but at the last minute learn that Skripal junior is in town. May then balks and says they cannot be killed. The poisoning of the cop 2 days later was an afterthought to try to add a bit more emphasis.
From thereon the whole thing has gone tits up.
Posted by: cdvision | Mar 30, 2018 8:01:20 PM | 175
In other AZ Empire news, more than 100 Israeli Occupation Force snipers - cowering behind a berm deliberately built for the purpose - opened fire on Palestinian civilians marking the 42nd anniversary of "Land Day," when IOF murderers killed 6 indigenous Palestinians who were protesting the illegal annexation of some 5,000 acres of Palestine into the Zionist Entity of Israel.
Today's IOF murderers mowed down close to 800 unarmed civilians with live ammunition, killing at least 15. More were wounded by rubber-coated metal bullets and tear gas canisters, including some dropped by the drones psychohistorian brought to our attention recently.
Today's violence began before dawn when a 27-year-old farmer picking parsley in his field was hit by an Israeli tank shell in southern Gaza.
Mind you, all of these Palestinians were INSIDE the "border fence" separating Gaza from occupied Palestine. In fact, almost all if not all were inside the additional "security zone" Israel absurdly and arbitrarily set inside their fence, which, while recognized even by Israel as Gaza proper, Israel does not permit anyone from Gaza to step.
"The most moral army in the world" proving once again what "the only modern, liberal democracy in the ME" is in reality.
Posted by: Daniel | Mar 30, 2018 8:09:15 PM | 176
Mercouris has reprinted an article in full from the Global Times. It looks like the Skripal rubbish has been the catalyst for the creation of a defensive block of nations.
The relevant section...
"Until a new line of allies emerges, multi-national associations like BRICS, or even the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, need to provide value to those non-Western nations and actively create alliances with them.
What Russia is experiencing right could serve as a reflection of how other non-Western nations can expect to be treated in the not-to-distant future. Expelling Russian diplomats simultaneously is hardly enough to deter Russia. Overall, it’s an intimidation tactic that has become emblematic of Western nations, and furthermore, such measures are not supported by international law and therefore unjustified. More importantly, the international community should have the tools and means to counterbalance such actions."
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 30, 2018 8:24:32 PM | 177
@ oneil | 116
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I appreciate it, and the entire discussion thread.
@ mali | 109; Maximus | 159
I'm a resolutely non-athletic male, turning 63 next month, and don't follow sports, either domestic or international.
I begin thus to say that I'm not normally disposed to be particularly sensitive or sympathetic to matters involving athletic competition-- especially decadent institutions like the Olympics and comparable bloated sports spectacles.
Even so, it's been terribly clear to me that the US-dominated Western Hegemony (which includes "Five Eyes" allies, e.g. Australia) have long mounted an insidious, reprehensible attack on Russia by targeting Russia's traditional national embrace of sports.
For some reason, despite my above-cited antipathy to professional sports, I find it absolutely galling and appalling that innocent Russian athletes have been victimized by international sports organizations, and odious frauds like Richard McLaren. McLaren, as I presume most readers here know, is the architect of a slanderous report that makes the most of Russia's admitted difficulties with doping.
I believe that the Western politicians and state-security executives concluded that gratuitously and cruelly trashing Russia's national reputation, effectively, er, poisoning the collective reputation of its athletes, and subjecting both Russian sports organizations and individual competitors to unjust and humiliating scrutiny and sanctions would be the ultimate provocation.
That is, I believe that the Western campaign to permanently undermine and diminish Russian competition in international sports events is intended to finally exhaust the Russian government's residual good will and patience, and provoke some "unacceptable" hostile response. This is all the more likely because Putin is himself an enthusiastic athlete as well as an old-fashioned patriotic Russian citizen; his enemies may well believe that bullying and abusing "his" young competitors right in front of his eyes will eventually trigger a rash and intemperate response.
Again, although a non-sportsman I am deeply disgusted by what amounts to obvious "hitting below the belt", and attempting to obscure heinous misfeasance with the usual ladled-on bumptious sanctimoniousness.
It seems quite plausible that at least one of the motivations for the Skirpal Follies is to spoil the World Cup in order to further torment Russia.
Posted by: Ort | Mar 30, 2018 8:40:37 PM | 178
It is interesting to me that this event has set off the taking of sides that I have commented about before wondering when it was going to happen.
So now we have the first draft of the alliances. I was intrigued to read that Turkey is not rejecting Russian diplomats.
The future is all around us but just not evenly distributed.........
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 30, 2018 8:54:15 PM | 179
The vile Ruskies are capable of nefarious activities that cannot be proven using ordinary legal standards, say, by finding a proof, but now NATO allies got wiser and decided to move forward without falling for "Putin's trap", i.e. delaying any response until some proofs are found. No, no, no! The very fact that nothing concrete can be found attests to the skill of perpetrator, and the combination of (1) ability (2) motivation and (3) brutality leaves only one possible culprit.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 30, 2018 5:32:52 PM | 162
Yes! It's 911 all over again...
Everyone was quick to forget that, despite the scale of the damage, 911 was simply a criminal act and should have been the subject of a very thorough Police/judicial investigation with unlimited power to subpoena witnesses and suspects - to seek incontrovertible "evidence".
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30, 2018 8:58:44 PM | 180
"...he gets very touchy when anyone says anything negative on the usa's actions..."
Kinda difficult to say anything positive right now with their ongoing stupidity. What commenting format were you referring to? I noticed Firefox no longer display comments at SST, so I use Opera to view them.
Posted by: Ian | Mar 30, 2018 9:35:23 PM | 181
Posted by: cdvision | Mar 30, 2018 8:01:20 PM | 174
Nah I don't get why the woman who behaved as if there was nothing amiss after the 'austerity' crush the poor measures which her government instituted resulted in the roasting to death of more than 40 women and children at Greenfell towers last year would give a flying fuck about Yulia getting knocked. Remember Yulia was just visiting she had opted to live in the 'evil Putin state'.
Here is a list of all the citizens whose murder by police is unquestioned, there will be many others knocked by police agents as we know from the state's inability to supress evidence of englander copper cruelty in Northern Ireland, even Murdoch's Sun acknowledges the depth of englander depravity albeit only acknowledging the actions of spies planted within the IRA - the UDF killers butchered all manner of innocents from solicitor Pat Finucane (whose enquiry May oversaw and ensured all was covered up) to a few fellas having a quiet drink at the 'wrong pub' - all on the orders of Westminster. It should be noted that it is the political arm of the UDA, currently keeping May in power - anything to stop Jeremy Corbyn from becoming PM and lifting the lid on this awful mess of corruption, deceit, oppression and murder.
So don't be coming over all sexist by protesting May wouldn't participate in the slaughter of female civilians, because she has no such empathy, this is a particularly cruel and calculating incompetent.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 30, 2018 9:36:52 PM | 182
SST eliminating open commenting, again I think. oh well
Posted by: Duck1 | Mar 30, 2018 9:52:33 PM | 183
I remember watching LBJ’s TV announcement in the Student Union that he was sending more troops to Vietnam in July 1965. There was no propaganda build-up or protests. He did it and screwed us. Today the propaganda is breathtaking, and facts are absent. To me, there are two reasons; to push back at the Russian China alliance by a flailing dying empire and to nip the populist eruption in the West. The richest man in the world, Jeff Bezos, just lost 31 billion dollars because Donald Trump is President. Scapegoating Russia won’t reinstall Globalist leadership unless there is a war. Israel and Saudi Arabia are having existential crises. It would be to their benefit if NATO upped the world war in Syria by attacking Shiite militias.
The Salisbury England poisoning is intended to be the trigger that starts the shooting war with Russia; no different than the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria in 1914. Only this time, the march to war is in slow motion due to the risk of a nuclear war. The risks of annihilation are worse to today than when I served in the First Cold War. A war of choice with a nuclear power is insane. All the mistakes and close calls the first time around that almost exterminated us have been forgotten.
Posted by: VietnamVet | Mar 30, 2018 10:09:29 PM | 184
There are reasons to be optimistic:
> There is no more military draft, and won't be.
> The US military structure is ignorant, corrupt and ineffective.
> Warfare has changed, e.g. inexpensive missiles dominate.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 30, 2018 10:53:07 PM | 185
"Please explain how phrases like "jews rule the wor(l)d" and "putin is a jew" are "anti-semitic"."
The phrases are anti-Jewish and represent Jew baiting, which should not be tolerated.
Being anti-Semitic refers to those who are against Semites who according to the dictionary are "a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs"
Most Jews are imports to the region from Russia and Europe and thus are not Semites while most other people of the region are actually Semites. Furthermore, most Zionists are radical Christians (particularly in the Southern US) and most Jews in Israel and the West are not Zionists. Zionists, whether Christian or Jewish, represent a cult as does radical Muslims such as Salafists of the Wahhabi sect:
As for those who actually rule the world a good start would be:
Sadly, the US and EU governments are backing extremist cults at the detriment of the "little people". This will not end well.
Posted by: Krollchem | Mar 31, 2018 12:19:18 AM | 186
A very intriguing story, this "Skripal affair" and certainly very welcome to the flailing May government.
I dont think, the perpetrators are the MI6 or CIA. No, I think that the Steele connection ,the "dossier" connection, is the right one. I would not be surprised if some shady Russian Oligarchs were implicated too, and it could even be questioned if this was an murder attempt ot "just" a warning. I bet the Skripals remember nothing, they got the message.
That the whole affair is used for propaganda , I clearly buy. But the rest, just does not make sense much, especially not "The Russians did it part".
No someone wanted Skripal to get a message, maybe not dead.
The choice of method is idiotic, unless its purpose was to cast suspicion, ahh Litvienko, a victim, in public opinion at least, of Russian aggression. My bet it is some murky shadowy very rich people, who tied ends up or felt the heat. This whole coincidence that it is the same people involved is suspicious.
Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Mar 31, 2018 12:28:05 AM | 187
"These evil politicians are the result of f**king British people, their DNA is pathogenic liars,instigator for riots & wars, murderers, and imperialism."
Wow! Being proud of my Irish roots, I rarely find myself defending those debsisdead calls "englanders," and I certainly abhor English imperialism, but, Wow!
A genetic predisposition to lie and riot? Really?
Posted by: Daniel | Mar 31, 2018 12:47:21 AM | 188
james @151. TheirTube tells me the uploader doesn't make that video available in the USofA.
But I could sure use a grin. Any ideas how I could track it down? Maybe post the title and I can try a web search.
Posted by: Daniel | Mar 31, 2018 12:51:18 AM | 189
There is no doubt that this has been in the pipeline for
quite a while & that it has gone tits up. Everything else
is speculation, guess work and intuition.
It is such a tortured, black comedy, obviously poorly accepted
by everyone except the US and UK, it cannot be taken seriously.
Which is also why it cannot be the prelude to a war with Russia
and China. If this carnival of liars is deemed the causus belli
of WWIII, it is a crude insult to every American sailor who was
killed in service at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, the last
real causus belli.
I, for one, hope it is the absolutely necessary precursor to a
military take-over of the US government by patriotic officers
in the armed forces who are watching Mueller's investigation
unfold who have heard all the lies told by the leaders of the
FBI & CIA.
They are already aware of the corruption of the Members of
Congress having seen how the procurement of weapon systems
is based not on quality but on the location of military
factories in their districts.
I believe the Deep State supports this coup d'etat as the
only means of getting America back on sound financial
footing in an age when the population explosion has just
signaled the end of capitalism as we knew it in the last
century and the end of enough easy to find and produce oil.
I also believe that the Arab Spring was the code name for
the neocon's premeditated destruction of the Middle East,
turning nations into piles of rubble for the express purpose
of creating a tidal wave of refugees into the low birthrate
nations of Eastern Europe, where their presence alone was
sure to raise the GDPs of their new homes in OCEANIA.
Yes, I believe that the only alternative to WWIII is the
gradual creation of Orwell's NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR with
US, UK & EU the core of Oceania.
OCEANIA -- the worst, most repressive of Orwell's three Super States.
Posted by: FSFF | Mar 31, 2018 12:57:40 AM | 190
That's how the West will die - by simply rotting away. There is no saving it, it's over.
Posted by: telescope | Mar 31, 2018 1:18:40 AM | 191
Every ending brings about a new beginning.
Posted by: Ian | Mar 31, 2018 1:31:53 AM | 192
Posted by: Emily | Mar 31, 2018 3:10:04 AM | 193
@179 ian - i use firefox.. it is as @181 duck1 says.. comments at sst shut down now...
@ 187 daniel... search "Putin Dodges Poisoning Allegations | The Daily Show With Trevor Noah" on youtube! cheers james
Posted by: james | Mar 31, 2018 4:00:13 AM | 195
The who done what in the Skripal bullshit may no longer be particularly relevant. What it has done I think is to split the world into east and west once again. This time round, if it lasts that long, the 'west' will in the end consist of five-eyes and Israel.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 31, 2018 5:06:04 AM | 197
Nice article, and asI speculated, could indeed be true and possible. The actors ARE connected and they do act in the story. Indeed possible.
It is also worth noting the vapid US/Eu reactions, yes the US did expel 60 diplomats, but Trump has had his hand forced. The EU expell some here and there, but the Girmans signed Nord Stream a few days later, suggesting everybody was more or less forced into ålay by May's stupid ploy. The did manage to anger the Russians though.
Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Mar 31, 2018 5:21:26 AM | 198
Emily @ 192: That news could be true but it could also be bait thrown to catch gullible people to set them up to expose them as conspiracy theory believers. Sounds very similar to what Berezovsky was supposed to have done before he was found dead (he was said to have written a letter to Putin begging forgiveness for his misdeeds and claiming to have important news for him).
Posted by: Jen | Mar 31, 2018 5:34:33 AM | 199
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 31, 2018 5:06:04 AM | 195
Israel was silent this time. And Saudi Arabia is negotiating a Russian-Saudi oil price deal which the US do not mind.
Still, the Saudis understand the growing importance of Russia in the region. Indeed, Russia’s strategic cooperation with countries in the Middle East and North Africa continues to grow, with the most recent efforts occurring in Egypt, where the Russian military is finalizing a deal that will allow its warplanes to use Egypt’s military bases, and in Lebanon, where Moscow is working on a military cooperation agreement with the Lebanese government.
And Trump said he would leave Syria.
Britain may soon find themselves alone.
Palestinians by the way seem to have found a strategy that works - insisting on their right to return on the Gaza border.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 31, 2018 5:53:59 AM | 200