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January 16, 2018

Open Thread 2018-03

The post I worked on today is unsatisfying.

I'll leave you with your own news & views ...

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It's wonderful to find someone with some humility on the internets.
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Posted by: ambrit | Jan 16, 2018 2:24:58 PM | 1


this would complicate the syrian conflict even more...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-16/turkey-notifies-nato-imminent-massive-invasion-syria-fight-kurds
Turkey Notifies NATO Of Imminent Massive Invasion Of Syria To Fight Kurds


Turkey is poised for an imminent massive ground invasion of Northern Syria to quash Kurdish militia groups currently holding Afrin near the Turkish border. Multiple regional outlets have reported a build-up of forces that could constitute the largest external intervening force thus far in the entirety of the Syrian war.

According to Middle East based Al-Sura News, Turkey's military build-up currently underway includes special forces troops, Army units, Turkish-backed Syrian Rebels and Turkey's air force. The Kurdish YPG/J (People's Protection Units) has held Afrin since the Syrian government withdrew from the area in 2012, which constitutes the western-most part of the self-declared Rojava autonomous Kurdish zone....


....Regional outlets Al Jazeera and Al Masdar News have confirmed that the large Turkish convoy has entered northwest Syria and that sporadic fighting against Kurdish forces is already underway.

....Whether the operation against Syrian Kurds moves forward or not into a full scale Turkish assault depends in large part on Russia, which has administered 'deconfliction' zones in the Afrin area, and has sponsored trilateral talks with Turkey and Iran which seeks cooperation among the three powers to wind down the war in Syria...

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 16, 2018 2:43:29 PM | 2

the guy is whacked out...

"A possible military operation by Turkey in the Afrin region of northern Syria will be conducted together with Syrian opposition groups, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Jan. 16.

“This fight is for them. We are helping our brothers there so that they can protect their own territories,” Erdoğan told reporters in parliament.

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2018 2:54:13 PM | 3

Tillerson reverses freeze-for-freeze North Korea policy.   Hmmm...maybe China will roll out that oil future contract on Thursday.

Posted by: Ian | Jan 16, 2018 2:56:48 PM | 4

@ Ian who wrote: " Hmmm...maybe China will roll out that oil future contract on Thursday."

I read somewhere that the rollout has been pushed back to March

China rating agency had downgraded US debt from some A rating to some B rating and ZH is reporting it but not Reuters.

And this is what we see on the surface. Wonder what is happening behind the scenes?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 16, 2018 3:37:24 PM | 5

The Kissinger Report was the boot camp and jump start for world population control. A program of US Government Coercion to depopulate targeted 3rd world countries while stealing their natural resources.

The program colluded with organizations around the world that focused on Human Population issues, through the United Nations, that has led to the point today where some countries have a negative population problem.

Nazi Germany would've been proud of what their spawn nation, the USA, accomplished with this program.

William Binney, NSA whistlebower, recently was quoted as saying that the ultimate goal of the NSA is population control. Perhaps its a reason why we're all being watched, harassed and economically squeezed.

When do the robots take over the military?

Posted by: John | Jan 16, 2018 4:00:04 PM | 6

Worth keeping an eye on these two developments. Taken together it could mean that any excessive reaction by the US or NATO to Turkish efforts to take Afrin - can be rapidly reacted to.

1/ Turkish
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-16/turkey-notifies-nato-imminent-massive-invasion-syria-fight-kurds

2/ Russian
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-16/russia-begins-massive-icbm-launch-drills

(Note that some people have been expecting another "false-flag", but involving real missiles, at the end of the week - just to make things complicated)

Posted by: stonebird | Jan 16, 2018 4:36:08 PM | 7

How the C I A made G OO G L E.

Posted by: John | Jan 16, 2018 4:54:59 PM | 8

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42711985

Trying to provoke a bigger explosion to hide their traces in Syria?

Posted by: Mina | Jan 16, 2018 5:00:05 PM | 9

Wouldn't it be awful if the entire plan to set up an island of trouble in Syria were a put up job between amerika and Turkey to get an invasion force of Turks to occupy North Eastern Syria?
I hadn't considered this earlier because I held that hubris occupies a too high a position in amerikan actions to permit a black eye such as losing out to a nation of 'suspicious unwhite people', but we see that news of amerika's planned occupation hasn't made the headlines greatly in usuk media. Certainly the story of Turkey's planned invasion has made more bigger headlines than the initial threat of amerika invading Syria has - can that have been part of the plan?

If it is it spells danger as it means that the MIC has developed a way of operating that leaves the whitehouse entirely outta the loop - anything requiring such subtlety and deceit couldn't run the risk of a capricious coming from low self-esteem tweet.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 16, 2018 5:00:18 PM | 10

The BBC continues to assert, seems like daily, that Bashar al-Assad is guilty of the massacring his own people (& dropping barrel bombs). From what I have discovered it seems that the Syrian people absolutely adore him & his approval rate is well above 70% (100% for women).

Is there truth behind the BBC's charge & if so what are the relevant incidents (when & where)? Please exclude the chemical/sarin episodes - he almost certainly is NOT guilty of masterminding these events.

Posted by: kweladave | Jan 16, 2018 5:06:00 PM | 11

psychohistorian @7: (re: Behind the scenes)

Well, this isn't exactly a secret, but China's effort to convince Saudi Arabia to list Aramco's IPO in Hong Kong could be another factor. I am confused on why anyone would want to invest in Aramco as there's rumors of them running out of oil (i.e. increasing water content of oil extracted from existing wells). Ignoring the rumor, if MbS decides to go with Hong Kong, then Russia can now decide on the price of oil via production rate from a new Russian-led OPEC-like organization.

I'm not sure if we read the same article (written in Chinese) about that offer of delay to March. But the date itself is interesting as it occurs after the 2018 Winter Olympics. I believe China was trying to appease South Korea, and possibly the IOC, so that the Winter Olympics would be successful.

Didn't know about the ratings downgrade. But, are investors really paying any attention to the Chinese rating agency? I really don't know. I would be surprised if there are any investors left that trusts US rating agencies.

And another factor to consider, if true, is that China was "thinking out loud" on stopping purchases of US Treasuries. I can't remember where I read that statement. The US/Israel would go ballistic as their cash flow would come to a halt, stopping their war machine, and possibly incite unrest on the homefront (i.e. EBT cards stop functioning).

That Canadian conference is a joke anyway as you need to include both China and Russia to give it some weight. I can understand why Canada is hosting it, they're appeasing the US for more favorable terms in the renegotiation of NAFTA.

Posted by: Ian | Jan 16, 2018 5:06:02 PM | 12

Hero 2
An not used to sheer rubbish on Moon of Alabama but those comments are !

Posted by: ashley albanese | Jan 16, 2018 5:10:17 PM | 13

@b

The post I worked on today is unsatisfying.

This is honesty, great comment!

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Jan 16, 2018 5:40:00 PM | 14

I normally would never suggest that people on one blog hop over to another (could cause "cross contamination") but I trust the folks here, and do believe that all of what I wrote on the other blog (forum, actually) may be of serious interest to the people here. Plus, I am actually trying to start a movement. My (three) topics have "by blues" on the left side next to the empty "speech balloons". One of the topics, about redistricting, involves a bit of second degree algebra, and another, about proportional representation, involves some very simple "tiling geometry". The "topic" "Strategic Hedge Simple Score Is The Only Worthwhile Method" is likely to be the most relevant for people here. The forum in which my work appears is at:

http://electology.org/forums/theory

Posted by: blues | Jan 16, 2018 5:46:07 PM | 15

@13 debs.. yes.. this is the kind of treacherous thinking that erdogan motivates.. hard to know what's what here.. maybe centcom went off the reserve and trump is letting them do their thing?

@ 14 kweladave.. if i am not mistaken, bbc was carrying water regularly for the white helmets.. since they have been discredited, i am not sure that bbc offered any formal apology... the bbc seems to function like npr in the usa..

@ 16 ashley albanese... it seems heros has an agenda.. interesting that russian insider was started by some british guy in 2015.. it is hard to get info on him... i recognize a number of western names in the created description via the propaganda site wikipedia ... i would take all this to mean russian insider can't be trusted past the fence post and may not have much of anything to do with russia..

Greenwich native launches alternative news site Russia-Insider.com
Anne W. Semmes Published 9:39 pm, Sunday, March 29, 2015

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2018 5:53:25 PM | 16

@Debs 13
re: "an invasion force of Turks to occupy North Eastern Syria"
>Rojava was (is) a defacto Kurdish autonomous region, so it would be no big loss.
>Turkey acting like the US is big news -- who do they think they are?
>Turkey occupying part of Syria and the US being evicted would be even bigger news.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2018 6:28:11 PM | 17

Plus Turkey has a legitimate gripe. A fellow NATO member (USA) is installing a military force of Turkey's enemies on Turkey's border, and NATO won't do anything about it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2018 6:31:36 PM | 18

Oscar perez was killed yesterday in Venezuela. He was the excop/ special forces who stole a helicopter and bombed the interior ministry. He captured the last minutes of his life on facebook so it is there for everyone to see.

Posted by: Garrett | Jan 16, 2018 6:37:19 PM | 19

Re: Posted by: kweladave | Jan 16, 2018 5:06:00 PM | 14

Take it is read - every negative thing you've read about Assad in the Western press is a lie.

Posted by: Julian | Jan 16, 2018 6:43:15 PM | 20

The meeting in Vancouver regarding the nuclear situation in North Korea (DPRK) includes the UN command members involved in the ongoing war, since 1953 under an armistice agreement.

Agreement between the Commander-in-Chief, United Nations Command, on the one hand, and the Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army and the Commander of the Chinese People's volunteers, on the other hand, concerning a military armistice in Korea. . .here.

The US has indicated that one principal purpose of the meeting is that it wants to start interdicting ships bound for DPRK including boarding, and wants to get its UN Command allies to agree and participate.

some considerations
>The US position is that DPRK is in violation of UN resolutions, for which it has been sanctioned. The resolutions from the UN affecting DPRK are (in other words) commands from the agency that the DPRK is at war with.
>DPRK says it needs a credible defense against US military pressures. The US has bases and troops in Korea and also commands the large South Korea (ROK) military, a unique relationship in the world. US bombers have recently been dropping bombs near DPRK's border, to cause DPRK people to recall when cities in their country were completely leveled, dams were bombed, etc. with many civilian casualties (a war crime).
>The Armistice Agreement includes: ". . .with the objective of establishing an armistice which will insure a complete cessation of hostilities and of all acts of armed force in Korea until a final peaceful settlement is achieved" but the US insists upon continuing threatening acts of armed force. DPRK's position that it is these wrongful acts which have required DPRK to have a nuclear deterrence.
>Many countries consider that a nuclear deterrence is essential for national security. The US is in this category and has three different delivery modes for strategic nuclear weapons.
wiki:
--NPT-designated nuclear weapon states (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States)
--Other states with nuclear weapons (India, North Korea, Pakistan)
--NATO member nuclear weapons sharing states (Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey)
>The US (and UN) is insisting that DPRK unconditionally get rid of its nuclear deterrence. The two parties are at war, and one party insists that the other party disarm. Can't blame them for that!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2018 7:12:53 PM | 21

Don Bacon @24:

It's been reported that Turkey no longer have access to US nukes, where it have been relocated to Romania (Source 1,  Source 2).   However, Romania (Source 3) have denied the relocation.

Posted by: Ian | Jan 16, 2018 7:51:15 PM | 22

Things have been most unsatisfying for a while ... you richly deserve at least a day off!

Posted by: Trisha Driscoll | Jan 16, 2018 8:25:29 PM | 23

"Gandhi taught us that a country’s greatness is measured not by its richest, but by how it treats its most vulnerable members. By this measure, the U.S. is a certified shithole."

Article from Alternet:

https://www.alternet.org/right-wing/i-live-shithole-country-its-called-united-states

Posted by: ben | Jan 16, 2018 9:04:02 PM | 24

James...some British guy... ha ha, wrong). By some American guy, bno Bausman.
He caused (because of aggressive findraising) a ruckus of handwringing by the likes of saker (always on the edge of hysteria) and that excitable rt fella, the one with the daily chatshow, which, to cut a long story short, resulted in the founding of the pretty abysmal durex, er, duran. Durans was always ever intended as a half-hearted "spoiler" against bausman's ri initiative. Duran may have imrpoved gradually over the past 2 yrs, but is still pretty paltry and pedestrian and looks like something designed by someone whose dayjob is interior des for grain silos. Actually, I don't personally mind bausman's site. It is at least pretty newsy, maintains a lot of tongue in cheek and provides a useful digest. And tbf, I never saw much difference between their slighly pushy fundraising and many other mendicant bloggers and digests. One has to be a bit sceptical of all of them. My own high-scepticism "hmmm" site is ttg (after saker), but they too are pretty useful for analyses and opinions from a particular provenance.

Posted by: Plod | Jan 16, 2018 9:06:39 PM | 25

Btw, I happen to know that bausman and the other (few) on the staff do in fact live in moscow. That in itself does not mean much but it's not some outfit emanating from the swamp.(@james)

Posted by: Plod | Jan 16, 2018 9:12:03 PM | 26

@plod... thanks..news article i read said the guy was from geenwich..... if you say he's an american - okay.. it seems like a lot of outlets have an agenda.. just what it is at this point, i am not sure.. reminds me of radio free europe and shit like that.. pure propaganda stuff basically... for all i know, they all get their education at langley, or chatham house before setting up shop elsewhere..

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2018 9:45:54 PM | 27

I am getting the impression that this Turkish "invasion" may be a put up job between the US and Turkey to allow Turkey to establish a permanent base in Syria. Further, the US is saying they have no involvement in the area Turkey is about to invade, it does appear it is part of the Russian managed sector. If so, Turkey carves off a piece of Syria and Russia (as well as Syria)are undermined in region and have yet another problem:(

Posted by: frances | Jan 16, 2018 9:53:09 PM | 28

@31 frances

Possible. I'm seeing it more as the Turks working with the Russians to try and clear out the Kurds and keeping them from hooking up with the US/Kurds in the northeast.

Posted by: financial matters | Jan 16, 2018 10:15:30 PM | 29

@Don Bacon (24)
I don't know if it's you, or the wiki but, add Israel to the second list of nuclear armed states. ie. (India, Pakistan, North Korea, Israel.) For the doubters, look into the "Vela Incident."

Posted by: ambrit | Jan 17, 2018 3:02:03 AM | 30

@32 financial matters

Your suggestion is plausible, very plausible. Whatever you may think about the Kurdish Turkish problems it is a fact that Syria has previously functioned as a safe haven for Kurdish insurgents, and that Turkey no sees an option to be rid of them. I predict the Kurds will be removed from the whole Idlib province. That leaves the Turkish backed Al Qaeda to deal with, both the Russians and the Syrian government regards them as terrorists..... I wonder what dealings were made.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Jan 17, 2018 3:42:41 AM | 31

@16 ashley albanese

"An not used to sheer rubbish"

A quote from the important article I linked to in @4 above, that could be written specifically about you:

"What happened in 2014 in the Ukraine had a 100 year provenance, and is inextricably linked to alleged Jewish culpability for the revolution. But for all the gallons of ink spilt about the events of 2014, this crucial background is left laregly undiscussed, even in the alternative media (I of all people, can attest to this).


Such is the reach and devastating effect of this taboo.


The enormity of the omission is mind-boggling. The suffering of the Russian people in the decades after the revolution was extraordinary – and here there is little agreement – modern revisionists insist that the revolution and its aftermath claimed perhaps 2 million victims, others say it reached into the 10s of millions. And it is not just the number of people, but the way it was carried out – families ripped apart, fathers hauled off in the middle of the night, churches blown up, priests tortured and subjected to ritual murder, phony confessions beaten out of innocents, summary executions without trial, an enforced culture of snitching, millions sent to slave labor camps – a nation was held in terror for decades, traumatized to this day. If there is even the slightest suspicion that this was in essence, a Jewish pogrom against ethnic Russians, surely it deserves some public examination.

But no, it seems people think observing the taboo is more important."

Its okay to be white.

Posted by: Heros | Jan 17, 2018 4:41:42 AM | 32

Rabid warmonger Molly Mckew delivers more bs about Russia,

No, Molly, Russia doesn’t believe in ‘nuking their own people’
http://www.worldandwe.com/en/page/no_molly_russia_doesnt_believe_in_nuking_their_own_people.html

Posted by: Anon | Jan 17, 2018 4:49:03 AM | 33

@ Heros | Jan 17, 2018 4:41:42 AM | 35
Just to repeat the right words:

"16 ashley albanese

"An not used to sheer rubbish"

"Its okay to be white." What is the function of such a sentence in a politcal blog?

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 17, 2018 4:59:35 AM | 34

Heros 35
There are libraries on all this 'Soviet' stuff . The best U S analyses figures are , 850,ooo executed between 1921 and 1950 with a further 2 . 3 million gullaged for political reasons between that period .
Many in the prison system were released some died but were not executed as such .
Watching a lecture with Richard Pipes recently he charged that the N K V D executed 15 million political prisoners in the 1920's / 1930's .
How absurd ! Where would a beleaguered Soviet state have found the resources to be killing AND BURYING on such a scale ?
The view that the Soviet was some sort of Jewish cabal forced upon the Soviet peoples is equally absurd .
If there is a conspiracy involving the Jews it is more in the direction of Jewish groups being used by Anglo Imperial interests in their bid to control geo strategic resources and markets . That is clearly why Israel was allowed to be created by English / U S Capital in the first place . Puppet - then and now - not puppet master !

Posted by: ashley albanese | Jan 17, 2018 6:14:04 AM | 35


Suggested viewing for barflies. Andrew Feinstein on the Arms Trade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJI6LQRLOoU (11 mins)


Col Wilkerson on the end of the Empire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDbVOvK9APw Actual talk is abt 40 mins, then Q+A)

Posted by: Stubbs | Jan 17, 2018 6:16:33 AM | 36

I love the comments that "Speak in tongues", they are usually the ones that spout the most incoherent nonsense often with a xenophobic overtone directed at some particular group of people. And then there are the ones with religious overtones, they are quite rambling too, more coherent, but completely rambling. But it does obscure all the ones with a interesting point of view. Sigh !

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Jan 17, 2018 6:35:23 AM | 37

Posted by: Heros | Jan 17, 2018 4:41:42 AM

Another ninny who reads a tiny slice of one sided opinions then imagines he/she knows it all.
Setting aside the nonsense that jews were behind the Russian revolution something that would shock those gentiles VI Lenin & J Stalin n leave a jew, L Trotsky perplexed as he was assassinated by the allegedly pro-jewish revolution, lets look at the tosh in the claim that 'tens of millions died in the revolution'.

When the 1917 revolution is criticised nowadays it is most often compared to the political systems of 21st century 'developed' economies, yet it is never compared to that which it should be, the Tsarist Russia it replaced.
When pushed into a corner about these 'tens of millions of deaths' modern western revisionist historians aware that the numbers just do not stack up for millions having been 'butchered by the NKVD', generally claim that the millions died in 1920 during a famine which we are inevitably told was caused by VI Lenin's policy of collectivisation.

Unfortunately for Russians famines were a recurring horror for them in pre-revolutionary days. The most recent ones happened as follows - numbers are way off because no one cared about the peasantry sufficiently to count their dead.
(A) 1869 drought caused a poor harvest somewhere between 2 to 5 million died during 1870
(B) 1879 The Tsar insisted that about 17% of Russia's grain harvest be exported so that Russia could pay for the machinery an industrial revolution required. This left a huge shortfall for food among peasants and 5 million died during 1880. There were food riots in the towns as peasants had become resigned to starvation due to drought but this uncaring greed was something else. The Tsar sent in the military and many thousands were machine gunned down with the new you beaut 'modern' weaponry.

(C)1905 drought about 2 to 5 million starved to death. Not too much trouble as (B) explains the poor fuckers had become fatalistic about starvation by drought over the centuries of Tsarist rule.

(D) 1916 -17 a drought combined with massive labour shortage thanks to the millions of dead agricultural workers used as cannon fodder against Germany & Austria had caused 2 failed harvests and was one of the key drivers of the initial revolution. then when Kerensky the lawyer showed he had no idea how to fix it and kept sending all able bodied & poor Russians off to die on a front which stretched from Byelorussia to Romania, Russians, all Russians not just jews, had had enough. The navy led the way by storming the winter palace in St Petersburg, the army stood aside to let the navy through then joined in. Once again neither group was particularly 'jew heavy'.
Russia suffered morecasualties in WW1 than any other nation ( as they would in WW2) no one knows how many 10 to 20 million were killedt by war, starvation and war induced disease, far more than anyone has ever managed to hang around the neck of J Stalin or whoever.

(E) There was one last famine in Russia during 1920 not long after the revolution and well before collectivisation was fully implemented. Another drought plus foreign mercenaries funded by englanders had run a terrorist campaign co-ordinated outta Poland - the so called white Russians many of whom were remnants of the defeated armies of Germany and the Austro Hungarian empire.

We can never get any sort of handle on the 1920 famine because Randolph Hearst along with his mates in the englander secret service beat up every story with claimed 'on the spot' reporting from a Hearst journo who had spent a total of 5 days in Russia during 1920 and none of it during or after the famine. It was Hearst who first launched the lie that the dead were 'kulaks' butchered during collectivisation which had failed because (according to Hearst) the peasants didn't know how to till the land - yeah right Randy - tell us another.

What we do know is that 1920 was the last Russian famine. A horror that had been commonplace every 20 years or so over centuries in Tsarist rule was completely wiped out by those awful Bolshies.
Even during the Great Patriotic war where Nazis burned crops and poisoned irrigation systems, people went hungry but there was no mass starvation because systems had been put in place to ensure everyone got a share.

I neither know not care where that shitrag linked to originates - cheap-arse nazis are a dime a dozen in the northern hemisphere (as we can see they occassionally front in MoA) from London thru New York on to California and Tel Aviv who knows or cares which shithole it is?

(ANYone reading this has ny abject apoligies for the typos.)

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 17, 2018 6:50:06 AM | 38

Ian@25. Turkey does not have access to US nuclear weapons, never has had and never will have. All nuclear weapons in Turkey are under US control, including weapons codes.
The US say Turkey's threatened invasion of Idlib has nothing to do with them. Whereas if Turkey actually did what it threatened to do and strangled the proposed US protected 30,000 strong force at birth along the Syrian/Turkish border [in alliance with Syria, Iraq, Hezbollah and Iran backed by Russia], I would have more respect for them . Nothing should be done by anyone of course until Kurdish and Arab factions represented in the SDF make their alliances known in the peace conference in Sochi at the end of the month.

Posted by: harrylaw | Jan 17, 2018 7:08:56 AM | 39

"the nonsense that jews were behind the Russian revolution something that would shock those gentiles VI Lenin & J Stalin "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Alexandrovna_Ulyanova

"the mother of Vladimir Lenin... Her father was Alexandr Blank (born Israel Blank), a well-to-do physician, who was a Jewish convert to Orthodox Christianity."

Lenin, like his mother and Grand father was a cryto-jew, even (((wikipedia))) agrees.

Stalin was born as "Dzhugashvili" which means son of a jew. Additionally, all his wives were jews.

But your whole argument is a strawman argument laced with hyperbole and ad-hominems anyway. Just as would be expected from someone who only "reads a tiny slice of one sided opinions" and clearly has no clue what happened in Russia from 1917-1919.

Posted by: Heros | Jan 17, 2018 7:21:30 AM | 40

@ Heros | Jan 17, 2018 7:21:30 AM | 43
Please do us a favour and keep this Jewish-nonsense material in your fridge. When I visit this site I have no appetite for alt+right nonsense, rather try to escape it.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 17, 2018 7:55:16 AM | 41

@38 ashley albanese @41 Debsisdead

"The view that the Soviet was some sort of Jewish cabal forced upon the Soviet peoples is equally absurd"

I will quote Winston Churchill from a newspaper wrticle from the Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920. I trust he is more than a "tiny slice of one sided opinion":

"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others...

In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses...

The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing."

http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

Posted by: Heros | Jan 17, 2018 8:17:54 AM | 42

Heros

Your main argument is probably true - alot of the bolshevists in the revolution was jews BUT, how does jews in power equal a cabal though? Majority of western europe is led by white men, does that mean that there is a white-men cabal? Of course not.

Posted by: Anon | Jan 17, 2018 8:57:01 AM | 43

Heros | Jan 17, 2018 8:17:54 AM |

Sure we should all listen to that old cunt Churchill that man who jumped from party to party telling lies everytime always searching for power, stopping on the way to kill a couple of my uncles and thousands of other ANZACs because he reckoned Turkey was the soft white underbelly of europe - no evidence, but like his stupidity about Jews and revolution he just thought it. He has been proven wrong on both counts.

It was the jews of Russia which amerika and israel used to bring down the soviet union from inside - remember the refuseniks? Didn't know or just conveniently forgot cause it didn't fit with your bigotry?

I cannot help but notice that you proudly own your racism, creep. The ludicrous claim that VI Lenin was a jew even though he wasn't raised in either the culture or religion of judaism can only mean you believe that human behaviour is defined magically by blood even though there has never been any way of determining race by DNA analysis, blood analysis, brain dissection or whatever.

I think you should fuck off somewhere more suited to your superstitious primitivism.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 17, 2018 9:01:52 AM | 44

"can only mean you believe that human behaviour is defined magically by blood even though there has never been any way of determining race by DNA analysis, blood analysis, brain dissection or whatever."

Is that a joke? of course behaviour is defined by DNA and race is determined by DNA tests all the time.

Posted by: Smithy | Jan 17, 2018 9:55:50 AM | 45

@46 Anon, @45 Heros...

I can't speak for Heros, but I think when he, or the articles he posts, refer to Jews, he's actually means Zionists.

People like Heros are on the right track, it's just that the waters get muddied, and thus the message dismissed when pinning the crimes of Zionism on Jews.

True Torah Jews find Zionism, with it's roots in the Talmud, abhorrent, in fact so much so, many Jews do not even agree with the state of Israel (see nkusa.org)

And sadly, for the West, much of Christianity has been co-opted by Zionists, thanks in large part to bastardized Bible translations, like the Scofield's.

Which brings us to today, where Zionist "christians" and "jews" alike, support the genocide of Palestinians, Syrians, Iraqis, Yemenese, Ukranians, Yugoslavians, etc. - all to advance a secretive, evil agenda.

As for those among who pooh-pooh or dismiss out of hand comments like mine or Heros, you have to ask yourself, do you support free speech? 'Cos if you do, then that must also include comments you disagree with or find distasteful - for now.

Who among did not recoil upon hearing some of "outlandish" "conspiracy theories", only find ourselves in agreement with them, days/weeks/months/years later?

Having said that, thank you all for the posts here... ALL of them

Posted by: xLemming | Jan 17, 2018 10:04:22 AM | 46

I have a theory of my own, which of course is not scientifically prove able, bur probably empirically: Too much religion corrodes your brain. Even reading about it, much worse writing about it can further the damaging process. The worst are those preaching or proselyting religion, even there also using just religious words will cause your brain to decay until finally you only able to babble incoherent.
I have seen such people, drooling, wild eyed, spittle flying from their mouths, yelling, almost chanting.
It is a sorry sight, I would wish for no one, believe me!

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Jan 17, 2018 10:21:32 AM | 47

@49 DLA

Assuming we're all analytical folks here... seeking the truth, where-ever it leads... there is no escaping the spiritual element to our humanity (physical, emotional, intellectual, etc being other aspects)

And so, in my own travels, I try to draw a distinction between (dis)organized "religion" and spirituality, with the former being the source of a lot of issues

And to be fair, even atheism & agnosticism, are belief systems in and of themselves, whose adherents have been known, on occasion, to engage in "drooling, wild eyed, spittle flying from their mouths, yelling, almost chanting"

Posted by: xLemming | Jan 17, 2018 11:07:49 AM | 48

news report - Reuters:
Rex Tillerson threatens a U.S. military response if North Korea refuses negotiations, Reuters reports from Vancouver where reps from more than 20 nations “agreed on Tuesday to consider tougher sanctions to press North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons.”

'Negotiations or else' to the US means that DPRK must disarm or it will be attacked as a continuation of the UN war on North Korea, currently under a shaky armistice. That would be catastrophic. (see my 24 above)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 17, 2018 11:13:20 AM | 49

DB @51--

Tillerson's at sea: The Empire has no suitable response to the current behavior and its results between the two Koreas. In this entire affair, the Outlaw US Empire's been the primary antagonist trying its best to stir up trouble--primary facts it's unable to hide from the millions of peace-seeking peoples in the region, many of whom have reached the conclusion that they could solve their problems if only the Empire would leave them alone. Of course, such thinking cannot be abided by Tillerson or his bosses. As more and more nations/peoples realize the Emperor and his Empire are grossly displaying their nakedness, the more irrelevant the "indispensable nation" becomes, while regional blocs form to deal with regional issues and already existing blocs declare their independence from the Empire so they can do likewise.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 17, 2018 11:31:54 AM | 50

@51 The Vancouver conference loos a little inconclusive. Participants agreed to 'consider' new sanctions and prefer a diplomatic solution. Nothing new there.
The US as usual is talking tough. They probably want Kim to agree to talks so they can say he blinked.

Posted by: dh | Jan 17, 2018 11:41:54 AM | 51

@karlofi 52
Yes, but unfortunately the generals currently are dictating US policy, led by shallow-thinker McMaster, and so the talk now is about a "bloody nose" attack, just a wee bit of destruction in North Korea to send a message. That would make DPRK capitulate, yes? . . .No. Quite the opposite, I fear.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 17, 2018 11:42:47 AM | 52

Further to the excellent points above re: DPRK, not sure if this has been said already, but Why on earth would ANY sane leader of any country eschew national self-reliance & put all their goods & services needs into the "free trade" basket - only to potentially face sanctions down the road by a capricious country like the US or collection of countries like EU/NATO/UN - it makes no sense, especially after seeing the well-worn sanction card being played repeatedly against Russia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, etc

If I were little Kim, I would pursue national resilience, and sod the West

To that end, I guess the nukes are helping in the resilience department...

Posted by: xLemming | Jan 17, 2018 11:47:26 AM | 53

Posted by: dh | Jan 17, 2018 11:41:54 AM | 53

Kim always wanted to talk - "without preconditions".

It is the US that do not want to talk.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 17, 2018 11:52:55 AM | 54

add to 57

North and South Korea sportspeople walking under one flag at the Olympic Games is highly symbolic. The GDR would never had done that not matter how good relations with the Federal Republic of Germany.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 17, 2018 11:55:07 AM | 55

@58 I am aware of that. In fact Tillerson agreed to unconditional talks back in December but he got 'corrected'. He blinked.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/world/asia/north-korea-trump-tillerson.html

Posted by: dh | Jan 17, 2018 11:57:11 AM | 56

@50 xLemming

Since this is an open thread...you may be interested in the teachings of Buddhism. Buddhism at its surface level doesn't deal with "God" - there is no deity, and I therefore don't deem it a religion. Buddhism deals with the present moment, and the mind.

At a more doctrinal level, Buddhism does have a very specific take on "God". Buddhist logic - which is truly magnificent to a reasoning mind - demonstrates that there can be no eternal, fixed deity. Belief in such a thing is termed "Eternalism".

People who see that the religious conceptions of eternal gods are wrong, however then frequently have nowhere to turn except away from all conceptions of the holy. This is termed "Nihilism" by Buddhist teachings.

Both views are equal errors. Buddhism is thus known as "the Middle Way", neither eternalist nor nihilist.

If you are a seeker of the truth, do yourself a great service and explore the teachings of the Buddha. I'm not qualified to suggest where you would start with this. I will say the Buddhist path itself is intended to be experienced, not dealt with in words, and the Buddha himself said that each person who followed his teachings was obligated to explore them for oneself. There is no "belief" within Buddhism, only one's own experience of what is true or not.

Good fortune.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 17, 2018 12:10:20 PM | 57

Heros

Some perspective might help.

Today we blame the Nazis for WWII not the Germans. It is well documented that the Nazis played upon the discontent and fears of the German people. They were very good at that. They also bullied dissenting voices.

Germans understand how they were fooled and misled better than anyone.

Furthermore, there ARE Jews that are opposed to the Zionist agenda. So your depiction of Jews as of-one-mind is false. Guilt by association is counterproductive and offensive.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 17, 2018 12:12:56 PM | 58

@Grieved61

yes, I enjoyed this 3 volume set of audiotapes. It's presented in a conversational manner rather than a lecture. As you mention he gets into the importance of experience as opposed to following doctrine.


Abiding in Mindfulness

Posted by: financial matters | Jan 17, 2018 12:30:14 PM | 59

Posted by: Heros | Jan 17, 2018 12:04:20 PM | 60

Sure, Stalin and Beria came from Georgia. That did not prevent Georgians from dying under Stalin. It was equal opportunity.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 17, 2018 12:45:18 PM | 60

Some good news from Korea:

SEOUL, Jan. 17 (Yonhap) -- South and North Korea agreed Wednesday to field a joint women's ice hockey team for the PyeongChang Winter Olympics and march together under a "unified Korea" flag at the opening ceremony.
The North will also send a 230-member cheering squad and a 30-member taekwondo demonstration team to the South, according to a joint statement issued after a working-level meeting at the border village of Panmunjom.
The North's delegation will use a western land route, marking the opening of the cross-border road for the first time since February 2016, when a joint industrial complex in the North Korean border city of Kaesong was shut down.
The two sides also agreed to hold a joint cultural event at Mount Kumgang on the North Korean east coast before the opening of the Feb. 9-25 Olympics and to conduct joint training of skiers at Masikryong Ski Resort in the North.
As for the Paralympics scheduled for March 9-18, the North promised to send a 150-member delegation including athletes and cheerleaders. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 17, 2018 12:58:02 PM | 61

@55 an abrupt lesson on national self-reliance:

In 1980s worked with one of largest users of US-grown rice, so was aware of this event. US ambassador and trade lobby pressured Japan to remove Japan's import blockage of US-grown rice. The US trade lobby argued that US rice was generally of higher quality and lower in price to Japan's own rice grown by mostly small-farmers who received high, government subsidies to grow it; so naturally, all should obey the Free Market gods; it's all so logical.

The Japanese Foreign Minister for Trade explained [and I paraphrase]...You are correct in your assertions; our small growers could not compete with imported rice without the unfair subsidies. If we import large quantities, we will save money and the product is more uniform and superior.
However, consider that rice is a staple [basic] in the Japanese diet. If someday our nations have a serious disagreement, the exporting nation might possibly threaten to withhold shipment. Our food supply would collapse. That threat is very real to our population and our sovereign existence.

Posted by: chu teh | Jan 17, 2018 12:58:47 PM | 62

Don Bacon @51:

Rex Tillerson threatens a U.S. military response if North Korea refuses negotiations...

It should be obvious to anyone by now that both North and South Korea are negotiating without (or with limited) US interference.   So, is Washington trying to take credit for something that they don't deserve?   Are we going to see Washington on the podium claiming US diplomacy was the reason for both Koreas coming together?

The situation in the Korean peninsula looks promising!   North And South Korea Agree To Form Joint Team, Will March Together At Olympic Opening Ceremony.   Now, if only they could sign a peace treaty by year's end and officially end the Korean war.

Posted by: Ian | Jan 17, 2018 1:02:47 PM | 63

More good news, from Hawaii where "I Survived the Hawaii Ballistic Missile" tee-shirts are for sale.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 17, 2018 1:03:56 PM | 64

@ Ian | 67

US will try to spoil rapprochement of Koreas. The only way US agrees to diplomatic solution, if NK becomes puppet state along with SK, which isnt going to happen. Kim will rather wait till Outlaw empire collapses sooner or later.

Posted by: Harry | Jan 17, 2018 1:09:05 PM | 65

@Ian 67
It should be obvious to anyone by now that both North and South Korea are negotiating without (or with limited) US interference.

It's not obvious to me. ROK has little sovereignty, with the ROK military commanded by the US for one thing, and I'm sure that the US ambassador (on orders from Washington) has advised President Moon on the limits of his subject matter with President Kim. Could Moon wander off the reservation? Technically yes, but it is unlikely IMO. The main problem now for the US is the two more months of Olympics, and a "bloody nose" during an Olympics would not be good PR for the US.
Regarding credit, Moon has credited Trump for Kim's friendliness on the Olympics (which means a lot to Moon).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 17, 2018 1:12:41 PM | 66

from Jerusalem Post via southfront:

On January 17, the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) called on world powers to stop Turkey’s bombardment of Afrin city in the province of Aleppo in northern Syria. The PYD, that’s leading the political wing of the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), also warned Turkey in the statement and stressed that “Afrin will not be alone “in case of a Turkish attack,” according to the Israeli Jerusalem Post newspaper.
Meanwhile, the Turkish Army deployed more armored units equipped with tanks and infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) to the border with Syria north of Afrin, according to Turkish sources. The Turkish Army even deployed I-Hawk medium-range surface-to-air missiles in the Kirikhan and Yayladagı provinces of Hatay in southern Turkey. . .here

"Called on world powers" = Washington, we have a problem, what are you going to do about it?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 17, 2018 1:21:07 PM | 67

With regards to religion, read, reflect, and then make up your own version. They did..

Posted by: ben | Jan 17, 2018 1:21:18 PM | 68

Heros@60. Churchill was greatly distrusted by the British people who threw him out of office in 1945. His long career was punctuated by moments of almost sadistic policy decisions- using armed force to break up a miners strike at Tonypandy being but one of many. His responsibility in the creation of the famine in Bengal in WWII has been well documented-he was responsible for the deaths of millions there. His admiration for Mussolini and Hitler was so deep that he describes Hitler positively in a 1941 publication. They shared his love of the British Empire which they strove to emulate.
As to Solzhenitsyn, anyone who doesn't understand that the libel, against Russia's poor and particularly those in rural communities, who not only supported but anticipated and made the revolution, the laughable libel, concocted by proto Nazis and allies of the Entente banks, that the Revolution was carried out by Jews 'who hated Russians' is racist russophobic nonsense is a fool-however well he might write.
In 1917 the poor people of Russia gave the world a demonstration of how to put an end to the evils of class exploitation and imperialism. In doing so they incurred the implacable hatred of all the forces of evil on the planet-forces which eventually prevailed.
But not before setting an example that will surely be followed if our species is to live on.
Anti-semitism is one of the tactics exploiters use to defend their version of cannibalism by dividing the masses. We've known that for generations. It remains true: those who blame 'the Jews' for 1917 are not just ignorant but witting allies of the human race's enemies.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 17, 2018 1:27:27 PM | 69

Posted by: Heros | Jan 17, 2018 1:06:58 PM | 69

Well, you are leaving out a few things like Germany invading a few small countries as a start to WW2.

Cause and effect are difficult in interdependent environments if you pick a few facts you can make up your own history. Not many people will share this interpretation.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 17, 2018 1:29:32 PM | 70

38;Puppet master is the zionists.goddam.
The graun had a story about healthcare in US.The healthcare the makes you go in debt.
wapo?nyt?had a story about uk nat HC going broke.They had better collusion.
And their actor terrorist in Ven.hahahahahaha.The guy had it coming.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 17, 2018 1:31:30 PM | 71

@Heros | Jan 17, 2018 8:17:54 AM | 45

That you quote here the malefic and intrigant Winston Churchill, who at his times could be equated to that other intrigant and malefic Henry Kissinger, as an epitome of goodness in his judgement of the bolsheviks just makes me laugh...You just have an excesively biased vision on your "sirs"...Then you even will be pretending to be telling the truth....

A man who starved 4 million to death in India, facilitated Zionism & Wahhabism in the Mid East, ordered a massacre of anti-Nazi protesters in Greece, conceived Black & Tans to terrorise Ireland & sought to keep Kenya's fertile land for white settlers was voted the greatest Briton

https://twitter.com/crimesofbrits/status/950786277661728768

Posted by: elsi | Jan 17, 2018 1:38:26 PM | 72

As far as I know Denmark was invaded by German troops on the 9th of April 1940 at 0510.
An invasion is a war declaration as far as I know too. But that was maybe a lie, it was maybe also a lie I had a great grand father in Dachau and a great grand mother in Theriezenstadt. the germans did not like people that shot back. And that the Jews in Theriezenstadt knew where they were going. Great grannys made in the white busses, many did not. But that was maybe a lie.
The Jewish community in Denmark mostly made it to Sweden, but after the war, their German, Polish, Belgish, Dutch, French relatives and kin was gone. That was maybe also a lie.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Jan 17, 2018 1:51:33 PM | 73

re: Don Bacon | Jan 17, 2018 1:03:56 PM | 68

Notice that a few days after the ICBM attack warning in Hawaii, there was another false missile alarm in Japan

Gee, what an amazing coincidence.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 17, 2018 2:06:24 PM | 74

@Perimetr 80 (yr hyperlink doesn't work)
CNN
The false alert came on the same day as the US and Canada planned to host talks in Vancouver over the crisis on the Korean Peninsula after a year of missile tests and threats from the North.//

No mention of military exercises, bomb dropping and threats from the US = fake news

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 17, 2018 2:25:16 PM | 75

Posted by: Heros | Jan 17, 2018 1:55:53 PM | 79

Like "defending" against Poland?

Posted by: teddy bass | Jan 17, 2018 2:09:37 PM | 81

Yep, there is an alt-right media campaign to blame the jews for everything.

If Malofejew is paying for this, as is likely, then Russian and US oligarchs have teamed up with Zionist Christian evangelicals and the Russian Christian Orthodox right wing (plus the European atheist right wing).

It defies logic. I guess the strategy is to make people powerless by competing disinformation.

If this continues Saudis will be more rational in a few years than "the West",

Posted by: somebody | Jan 17, 2018 2:33:28 PM | 76

add to 83

This here, by the way, is Putin's stance

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday met with Russia Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar and the President of Jewish Communities of Russia, to discuss joint efforts to combat anti-Semitism and neo-Nazism.

The meeting was also attended by rabbis from Israel, Austria, Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and France. During the meeting, the parties discussed joint efforts to prevent the ‘rewriting of history’: the fight against neo-Nazism and neo-fascism, as well as xenophobia and anti-Semitism.

Putin assured the Jewish leaders that Russia will fight against any new manifestations of Nazism. “Of particular concern is the revival of Nazi ideas,” said Putin. “I want to thank the Jewish community, non-governmental organizations that are both active and courageous; we see it in today’s world – how a struggle is being uncompromisingly waged against all manifestations of the Nazi ideology and any attempts to revive it.”

“We consider you, in this regard, our closest allies and ask you to consider us and as such,” the Russian President added.

So this is quite likely a Western disinformation campaign to smear Russia with antisemitism.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 17, 2018 2:38:15 PM | 77

Veterans Today: Russia Insider: CIA Israeli front

We had long ago identified Russia Insider as yet another of the myriad of similar fronts operating within Russia, purporting to be authentic Russian media outlets but in reality, they are owned and operated by foreign intelligence services.

Now it is time to call them out for what they are – foreign assets operating within Russia to the detriment of Russia itself and by extension, the whole world.

Other examples include The Moscow Times, a CIA-run English language newspaper and website. We should also mention once again, our very strong suspicions regarding infiltration of Russia Today and Sputnik by CIA/Israeli assets.

Note that this begging letter from Russia Insider namechecks Drudge, Alex Jones, and Zerohedge, all of which are also disinformation operations, fronts for intelligence agencies.

Add the Saker.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 17, 2018 2:42:06 PM | 78

@ somebody | Jan 17, 2018 11:55:07 AM | 58

North and South Korea sportspeople walking under one flag at the Olympic Games is highly symbolic. The GDR would never had done that not matter how good relations with the Federal Republic of Germany.

i know it sounds unlikely, but they did! '56 till '64
GDR didn't do it out of love though, I think they were left no choice.

But your point being it's a highly symbolic move - yeah, I couldn't believe it at first. Some hope there, after all...

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 17, 2018 2:43:52 PM | 79

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 17, 2018 2:43:52 PM | 86

True. The policies behind this are fascinating. It seems the teams split when GDR's athletes became so overwhelmingly better that their organizations would have represented both Germanies.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 17, 2018 3:15:56 PM | 80

@74 bevin.. thanks for stating all that...

Posted by: james | Jan 17, 2018 3:44:07 PM | 81

Heros @69: it was France and England that declared war on Germany in September 1939””

Your attempt to twist history to make the Nazis blameless is laughable. France and England declared war on Germany after Hitler invaded Poland. They were treaty-bound to do so and the Germans fully expected it.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 17, 2018 3:46:35 PM | 82

@57/58 somebody.. yes - highly symbolic and fascinating to see at this moment... usa seems to need ongoing conflict to keep the military and financial industry going..

Posted by: james | Jan 17, 2018 3:51:15 PM | 83

There are several very interesting things happening right now, but this thread is full of noise about a very stale 'debate'. Successful derailment?

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Jan 17, 2018 4:33:10 PM | 84

Of the strange things Heros has said in this comments forum, the oddest is @ 43 where in that comment s/he states that Joseph Stalin's original surname Dzhugashvili means "son of a Jew".

Dzhugashvili is a Georgian surname. According to some authorities, it's a Georgification of an Ossetian surname which in a Russified form would be Dzugayev. Ossetians are the surviving members of those Indo-Iranian groups who once existed across Ukraine and southern Russia into central Asia and whose most prominent groups were the Scythians and Sarmatians, well-known to ancient Greeks, among others.

According to one source, Stalin's father came from the Khevsureti highland region in Georgia and his mother was Ossetian.
https://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/was-stalin-jewish-and-does-it-matter/

Despite what the heading of that link address might say, the actual article concludes that Stalin was not Jewish.

The one thing Heros has said which I would agree with is that Poland between the wars did aim to recreate its former territorial glory - without the cosmopolitan culture that was part of the former Poland-Lithuanian commonwealth - and did engage in forced polonisation of its minority groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonization

Posted by: Jen | Jan 17, 2018 5:11:06 PM | 85

@63 financial matters

Yes, experience. The Buddhist path is based on meditation, and the Buddha himself said that meditation is the path. He even said that meditation on the breath was still his practice, as an enlightened being - I wish I could find a cite but I can't.

After time I came to understand that practicing mindfulness of breath and labeling thoughts as thoughts - the most basic Buddhist practice - allowed one to experience thoughts as objects or phenomena, rather than simply as meaning.

We have lived our whole lives depending on our thoughts for our survival and our prosperity. We sharpen them and craft them into shapes that please us, while trying to ignore the ones that plague us with their independence and randomness. But we never actually have a place to step back enough to experience these thoughts simply as thoughts.

I truly believe that if I lived a million years over successive lifetimes, I would never on my own guess that the answer to all the questions begins with a physical experience, becoming familiar with the mind as an event rather than an intimate place, experiencing thoughts as objects rather than investing one's thinking with meaning, in the same way we invest our perceptions with reality.

It took the Buddha to tip me off to the reality of things. I would never have seen it.

It seems almost impossible to pass that tip along to others. The world is caught up in its mind, and doesn't see it. The kingdom of heaven is spread upon the earth, but people do not see it.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 17, 2018 5:23:35 PM | 86

@93

I concur. What is so harmful in hearing out the other side? Read the article that Hero linked to; it is not some anti-Semitic hit piece, but, as it seems to me, brings out this 'taboo' topic in to the open for debate.

Since Hero brought up Alexander Solzhenitsyn, can someone let us know why 'exactly' his "200 Years Together" two-volume work written in his native Russian was never translated into English, but only German and French, yet, his Nobel Prize winning Gulag Archipelago was quickly translated into many languages?

was quickly translated into many languages and was published in the United States just a few months later.

What was in this book, by one of 20th century's best historians, that earned its nickname as one of the most banned books in the world? Why is it such taboo to open discuss it?

This book has been partially translated into English thanks in large part to a network of dedicated underground samizdat anti-reprssionists

Posted by: JS | Jan 17, 2018 5:27:21 PM | 87

Hero

Russia insider is a disinformation website - with no real understanding of Russia.
The latest anti Semitic articles prove that

This website is disgrace and I urge people to not visit it this website is to discredit anyone who is pro-Russian as an anti-Semite.

-Neo liberals and the Neo-cons are the current threats to Russia they come from all range of back grounds


Posted by: James lake | Jan 17, 2018 5:27:52 PM | 88

@98

Who knows if RI is really a disinformation site...the same charge can apply equitably to the likes of CNN, WaPo, NYT, Breitbart, etc.

Read and make up your own mind...

Posted by: JS | Jan 17, 2018 5:34:25 PM | 89

@99:

Here is what the author himself says in response to these claims

Posted by: JS | Jan 17, 2018 5:42:06 PM | 90

Strange... I wanted to look up some of Heros'charges, but I can't find a timeline which shows the mobilisation dates of respective nations in the early stages of World War Two.


In this context, we can listen to Hitler himself explaining the start of the War and also the invasion of Russia on a Finnish taped recording between him and Mannerheim in 1942.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l85RvOvtMsw

Posted by: xaderp | Jan 17, 2018 5:50:24 PM | 91

@99 Tannenhouser

I didn't know about E-Prime and had to look it up. I was always fond of Robert Anton Wilson, and it almost seems that Korzybski was where my questions all began in life. Thank you.

Yes, that's the language to use when things are ineffable, for sure. E-Prime. A nice thing.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 17, 2018 6:00:44 PM | 92

@101
I have judged for myself Russia Insider is pure disinformation.
It has nothing to do with Russia and more to do with Mr Bauman anti Semitic agenda

Posted by: James lake | Jan 17, 2018 6:04:29 PM | 93

RI has a tabloid feel, for me it's like Brietbart for sensationalism. Disinfo? They're all guilty.

I took a college class in 88 from an old man who had been in "Hitler's Youth" something like boy scouts I guess. He was drafted at 12, surrounded, surrendered and never fired his gun. Scared by heavy propaganda some Allied soldier gave him an orange--a real orange--and his mind was blown.

He described prewar how all judges lawyers politicians bankers and professors were all Jewish. He said that was why the anti-semitism was so effective a campaign platform.

Posted by: TSP | Jan 17, 2018 6:08:39 PM | 94

@Dr. Wellington Yueh | Jan 17, 2018 4:33:10 PM | 92

Agree, from my point of view this "Open Thread" has been hijacked by precisely that same "people" "somebody" is talking at @84 and @85, those we could call "The Solzhenitzers", the same people who using multiple nicks are posting the same nonsense about Jews, the Bolshevik Revolution, Hillary Clinton and so on, at all the supposed "alt-media" Russia Insider, The Saker, The Duran, and so on....They try to equate what Solzhenitsyn( a nazi, and anti-communist agent who run to put himself at the service of the US, in the very Trotsky style ), and they themselves, thought, with what the majority of the Russians thought during all ages and even think today.
Total nonsense, when at least a half of the Russian population remains voting for the KPRF and even Mr. Putin have recognized recently that Communism in Russia acted the same way as a religion based on the very deep religious roots of the Russian soul. Thus, he himself recognize communism as something very Russian, indeed.

It´s only these supposed descendants of rancid aristocracy, supposedly despossesed by the Bolsheviks, who calim that the real desire of the Russian people is to return to a Csarist rule to be again ignorant serfs living in widespread misery. Since some amongst them have worked as "evangelists" of their own ideas, I would challenge any of them to return to Russia as soon as possible, since so "Putin praetorians", and try to spread this nonsense there to test the results. I bet that they would be even beated by some proletarians there...which, takes the casuality, is what today they are the majority of the Russians.
Of course, they are not going anywhere out of the US, or puppet "five eyes", lest they can find themselves out of the "safe heavens" of their "communities" and suffer any "emotional harm"....

These people have rotten every comment section at every of the supposed "alt-media" by trying to fight in mass any voice who could represent a different point of view from their well payed broadcasting goal, especially any communist voice, and this happened with the whole support and authorization of the supposed "owners" of those sites, who, obviating their own harsh "moderation policy" and even such religious background some show all time, allowed them spouting any kind of derogatory terms and tabernary language so as to provoke the target commenters into a fight or to discourage them definitely from posting at those sites.
This "estrategy" came into full steam around the US election.

These people are, for what I have been able to test, bona fide nazis, spouting the worst hatred speech against any people from other races, femminists, communists, well, almost everybody in the world except their "community of haters full time", which would be punished by law in some European countries including mine, and I even bet in Russia as well.
They are responsible of the general belief on Mr. Putin and the current Russian administration being painted at the image of themselves, when they live mainly in the US and "five eyes" and have been always working against Russia and the Russian people, since what the Russian people voted when the USSR fell was for the continuation of the Soviet system, it was only through a coup d´etatperformed by the rancorous kulak Yeltsyn and other traitors that the "design" from the US came into power.

Then, those amongst them who claim to be Russian ( in the far distance afecting generations and generations )talk as if they were representing the Russian nation and government, which they are not, on the contrary, being most of them actually working for the US military and US intelligence services they claim to be fighting so loud....

Fortunately they are very few, I venture around a dozen ( in the best case ), the same at every "alt-media", almost all retired ( thus, having a lot of free time ) and some married to Russian women.

Posted by: elsi | Jan 17, 2018 6:11:50 PM | 95

@97, @103

Exactly. I would add Douglas Reed's books to the subject discussed:

https://ia800707.us.archive.org/25/items/TheControversyOfZion/TheControversyOfZion.pdf

http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/Douglas_Reed_Books_pdf/design.pdf

Posted by: benny | Jan 17, 2018 6:15:41 PM | 96

Heros @91

You danced around my point: Hitler knew that attacking Poland would mean a wider war. The allies had already appeased him at Munich. They wouldn’t do so again.

Furthermore, the allies weren’t prepared for war. That’s why they had appeased Hitler and that’s why Hitler could be so bold. I think Dunkirk is further evidence of this. To say that they declared war on Germany twists the reality of what occurred.

Lastly, the allies didn’t declare war on Russia in 1939 ecause it was clear that Hitler’s Germany was the instigator of the attack. The Russians didn’t even enter Poland in September 17 - at which point Poland had already been overrun. More detail here: Why didn’t UK declare war on Russia in 1939?

You’re not credible Heros because it’s clear that you’re trying to distort what happened.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 17, 2018 6:16:30 PM | 97

@109

Funny that you said exactly nothing when troll ninel, BKA "Lenin" was spouting on nonsense to support the demonstrations in
Iran? But now you buff all about trolls when the subject matter is reversed.

Posted by: benny | Jan 17, 2018 6:23:29 PM | 98

@111

Can you not see your own bias?

"The Russians didn’t even enter Poland in September 17 - at which point Poland had already been overrun"

Oh, I guess it's ok then! Too late to declare war on the USSR, they came in late to the party. Well, let's just give them the whole of Poland for the effort.

Posted by: xaderp | Jan 17, 2018 6:28:28 PM | 99

So, the US stays uninvited in Syria until they own it.

"Ultimately, according to Tillerson, "the Unites States will remain in Syria" until certain conditions are met which include the complete destruction of ISIS, Assad's removal from power, and the return of refugees to a stabilized country." (ZH - link )

No doubt Putin will play the long game -- at least until after the Russian elections and the 2018 FIFA World Cup ends in July. Then with US elections in November (all 435 seats in the United States House of Representatives and 33 of the 100 seats in the United States Senate will be contested) things could get very interesting.

Posted by: x | Jan 17, 2018 6:32:14 PM | 100

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