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December 31, 2017

Iran - Early U.S. Support For Rioters Hints At A Larger Plan

In Iran - Regime Change Agents Hijack Economic Protests we looked at the developing U.S.-Israeli operation to instigate a revolt in Iran. What follows are a few more background points and a view on the developments since. A color revolution or revolt in Iran have only little chances of success. But even as the fail they can be used as pretext for additional sanctions and other anti-Iranian measures. The current incidents are thus only one part of a much larger plan.

The "western" democracies are used to distinguish political parties as left or right with fixed combinations of economic and cultural policies. The "left" is seen as preferring a social economy that benefits the larger population and as cultural liberal or progressive. The right is seen as cultural conservative with a preference for a free market economy that favors the richer segments of a nation.

The political camps in Iran are different.

The simplified version: The conservatives, or "principalists", are cultural conservative but favor economic programs that benefit the poor. Their support base are the rural people as well as the poorer segments of the city dwellers. The last Iranian president near to them was Mahmoud Ahmedinejad. One of his major policies was the implementation of cash payments to the needy as replacement of general and expensive subsidies on oil products and foodstuff. The current Iranian president Hassan Rouhani is a member of the "reformist" camp. His support base are the merchants and the richer parts of the society. He is culturally (relative) progressive but his economic polices are neoliberal. The new budget he introduced for the next year cuts back on the subsidies for the poor Ahmedinejad had introduced. It will increase prices for fuel and basic food stuff up to 30-40%.

The protests on December 28 and 29 were about these and other economic issues. Such protests have regularly occurred in Iran throughout the decades. But the current ones were soon hijacked by small groups which chanted slogans against the Iranian system and against the strong Iranian engagement in Syria and Palestine. These are not majority positions of the 80 million inhabitants of Iran:

According to the poll, 67.9% say Iran should increase backing for anti-IS groups, up from 59.8% a year ago. Meanwhile, a majority of 64.9% backs the deployment of Iranian military personnel to Syria to help the regime of Bashar al-Assad, up slightly from 62.7% a year ago.

The small groups that hijacked the protests against Rouhani's economic polices were heavily promoted by the usual suspects of U.S. influence operations. Avaaz, the RAND cooperation, Human Rights Watch and others immediately jumped onto the bandwagon. (True to form HRW's Ken Roth used a picture of a pro-government rally to illustrate the much smaller anti-government protests.) The smaller groups that hijacked and publicized the demonstration seem well coordinated. But they are far from a genuine movement or even a majority.

On the morning of December 30 large demonstrations in support of the Iranian republic were taking place in several cities. In Tehran several thousand people took part.


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The self described "Iran junkie" of the Brookings Center for Middle East Policy, Suzanne Maloney, interpreted these as counter-demonstrations to the small gatherings the night before:

Suzanne Maloney‏ @MaloneySuzanne - 12:40 PM - 30 Dec 2017

The Islamic Republic has a well-oiled machine for mobilizing pro-regime rallies (Rouhani himself headlined one in 1999 after student protests.) What's interesting is that it was deployed almost immediately this time.

The "Iran junkie" and "expert" did not know that yearly pro-government demonstrations are held in Iran on each 9th of Dey (Iranian calender) since 2009 and are planned well in advance. They commemorate the defeat of the CIA color revolution attempt in 2009. That attempt had followed the reelection of the president Ahmedinejad. It had used the richer segment of the Iranian society in north Tehran as its stooges. It is not yet clear what social strata, if any, this attempt is using.

In June 2009 Brookings Institute published a manual on how to overthrow the Iranian government or to take control of the country. "Iran junkie" Maloney was one of the authors. WHICH PATH TO PERSIA? - Options for a New American Strategy toward Iran (pdf) came in four parts:

  • Part I - Dissuading Tehran: The Diplomatic options.
  • Part II - Disarming Tehran: The Military options
  • Part III - Toppling Tehran: Regime Change
  • Part IV - Deterring Tehran: Containment

Part III includes:

  • Chapter 6: The Velvet revolution: supporting a Popular Uprising
  • Chapter 7: Inspiring an insurgency: supporting Iranian Minority and opposition Groups
  • Chapter 8: The coup: supporting a Military Move against the regime

The velvet "color revolution" failed in 2009 when the "green movement" could not convince the Iranian people that it was more than a foreign supported attempt to overthrow their republic.

What we currently see in Iran is a combination of chapter 6 and 7 of the Brookings plan. Behind a somewhat popular movement that protests against the neo-liberal economic policies of the Rohani government a militant movement, as seen last night (below), is implementing an escalation strategy that could lead to a civil war. We have already seen a similar combination in Libya and at the beginning of the attack on Syria. (Tony Cartalucci at the Land Destroyer Report has written extensively on the Brookings paper as a "handbook for overthrowing nations".)

Last June the Wall Street Journal reported that the CIA had set up a special operation cell for such attacks on Iran:

The Central Intelligence Agency has established an organization focused exclusively on gathering and analyzing intelligence about Iran, reflecting the Trump administration’s decision to make that country a higher priority target for American spies, according to U.S. officials.

The Iran Mission Center will bring together analysts, operations personnel and specialists from across the CIA to bring to bear the range of the agency’s capabilities, including covert action.

Head of the new office is one of the most ruthless CIA officers:

To lead the new group, Mr. Pompeo picked a veteran intelligence officer, Michael D’Andrea, who recently oversaw the agency’s program of lethal drone strikes and has been credited by many of his peers for successes against al Qaeda in the U.S.’s long campaign against the terrorist group.
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Mr. D’Andrea, a former director of the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center, is known among peers as a demanding but effective manager, and a convert to Islam who works long hours. Some U.S. officials have expressed concern over what they perceive as his aggressive stance toward Iran.

D'Andrea is the CIA guy who "dropped the ball" when he could have prevented 9/11. He was intimately involved in the CIA's torture program and drone murder campaign in Pakistan and Afghanistan. He is suspected to be the brain behind the U.S. cooperation with extremist Wahhabis in Libya, Iraq and Syria.

Yesterday morning a Sunni terror group blew up a pipeline in south-west Iran near the Iraqi border:

Ansar al Furqan states that “a major oil pipeline was blown up in Omidiyeh region of occupied Ahvaz, Iran.” The group added that it had established a new unit, the Ahwaz Martyrs Brigade. The area of Ahvaz has historically had a large Arab population. However, it is unclear if this purported brigade is comprised of Iranian Arabs or Baluchis, as most of its members are thought to be Baluch. The jihadists say the “operation was conducted to inflict losses on the economy of criminal Iranian regime.”

According to the U.S. military Combating Terrorism Center, Ansar al-Fruqan has grown out of the defeated Jundallah terrorist group which had killed hundreds of Iranian officials and civilians. Jundallah was a Baluch jihadi insurgency fighting for a "Free Baluchistan" in the area of south-west Pakistan and south-east Iran. Its leader was killed in 2010 and it has since split and evolved into Ansar al-Furqan and other groups. Some of these are under foreign influence. Mark Perry reported in 2012:

A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.

Mossad agents hired Jundallah terrorists to kill nuclear experts in Iran. It should not be a surprise then that a Jundallah follow-up group is now attacking Iranian economic infrastructure in the very same moment that the Mossad and the CIA coordinate another campaign to overthrow the Iranian government. This clearly points to a wider and well organized plan.

Last night groups of 20 to 50 young men appeared in some 20 cities and towns of Iran and started to vandalize (vid) the streets. They took down street demarcations and billboards, smashed windows and set fire to trashcans. Short videos of tens of incidents appeared on various Twitter accounts. The descriptions were often very exaggerated.

The "protesters burn government offices in the Ahvaz Province" video only shows the burning of a trashcan in front of a building. The only noise in the "police using live rounds on protesters" video are from the smashing of windows of an office container. A video promoted as "3 people were killed in police shooting of Lorestan" shows a small but loud group. Two people are carried away but it is unclear who they are or what, if anything, happened to them. No shooting is heard and no police can be seen. In other videos police is responding to stone throwing and vandalizing rioters.

The groups, their appearance in some 20 cities and what they did was clearly coordinated. Media promoters aggregate their videos for a larger public. The Iranian government asked the message application Telegram, widely used in Iran, to take down a channel that urged demonstrators to throw Molotov cocktails at official buildings. The head of the Telegram service agreed that such calls are against its Terms of Services and took the channel down. New channels with similar messages immediately sprang up. The Iranian government will have to completely block Telegram or infiltrate those Telegram channels to disrupt such coordination of militant activities.

Those U.S. politicians who had called to "bomb, bomb, bomb" Iran (John McCain) or had threatened to wage war against it (Hillary Clinton) issued statements in support of the "Iranian people"- i.e. the rioters in the streets. These are the same people who suffocate the Iranian people by pushing sanction round after sanction round onto them - hypocrites. Donald Trump and his State Department issued statements in support of the 'peaceful protesters' who vandalized their cities throughout the country and demanded that "the regime respect their basic human rights." The professed concerns for the Iranian people are nonsense. A recently leaked memo advised U.S. Secretary of State Tillerson:

... that the U.S. should use human rights as a club against its adversaries, like Iran, China and North Korea, while giving a pass to repressive allies like the Philippines, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

The official U.S. uttering comes very early and is detrimental to any real movement in Iran. It obviously exposes these protests as U.S. supported and thereby kills off their chance to win a wider base in Iran.

Why is the U.S. doing this?

The plan may well be not to immediately overthrow the Iranian government, but to instigate a sharp reaction by the Iranian government against the militant operations in its country.

Suzanne Maloney‏ @MaloneySuzanne - 5:51 AM - 31 Dec 2017

And here's the thing: whatever the USG does or doesn't say about these protests, the reality is (as @POTUS tweeted) that the world is watching what happens in Iran. How Tehran responds to the current protests will shape its relationship w/the world, just as it did in 2009.

That reaction can then be used to implement wider and stricter sanctions against Iran especially from Europe. These would be another building block of a larger plan to suffocate the country and as an additional step on a larger escalation ladder.

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@ somebody 90

You talk about the Green Movement as if millions of Iranians who supported and participated in it were paid agents or even worse, as if they didn't exist at all!

Tell me this: was Moussavi and Kherrobi CIA agents? They were regime supporters for decades and even they were crying out against the theocracy and stolen election! They have been on house arrest for years and they never had anything to do with the West. Inf act, along with other Green Movement leaders, activists and supporters, spoke out against the US and other countries commenting on ***their movement***. There is a long history of the Iranian theocracy turning on its own supporters once they became more 'reformist' minded.

Were millions of Iranians who voted for Moussavi part of an American conspiracy to overthrow the democratically elected Supreme Leader and mullahs? The 2009 movement, just like the 1999 student protests, and just like the many protests and movements in the immediate post-revolutionary era, had their roots in Iranian peoples' grievances against the mullahs. All I'm saying is don't gloss over this while analysing US and regional states' intentions and designs. Be very careful about what you say because your words have a lot of influence on people.

For b to say something like "The velvet "color revolution" failed in 2009 when the "green movement" could not convince the Iranian people that it was more than a foreign supported attempt to overthrow their republic" amounts to a slap in the face to millions of Iranians, hundreds and thousands of whom were attacked, harassed, lost their jobs, fled the country, or were imprisoned, tortured and/or killed afterwards. Even Khomeini's grandson spoke out against the government reaction.

The 2009 movement failed because the Iranian regime brutally cracked down on protesters. Millions of Iranians were not unconvinced by the green movement B, MILLIONS OF IRANIANS ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED IN THE MOVEMENT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2QNj8DNHgo

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 7:03:33 PM | 102

@ ninel who accused me of name calling

Since you refused to answer my direct question that differentiates the two Gods we are writing about, your opinion of usury, I posited that you did. For this you call me infantile and childish?

We live in a world controlled mostly by private finance which was around centuries before Marx and his "ism" which I happen to like parts of. That said, our world only changes from the geopolitical dynamic it is in to a new paradigm if everyone understands what the current rules are and their social consequences. Kinda like folks were trying to do back in the Enlightenment period that society never completed processing.

We are both part of the 99.999% of the "middle class" in our world.....thanks for sharing.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 1, 2018 7:10:25 PM | 103

@104

It creeps me out you've chosen a screen name so close to mine to post what you're posting.

Posted by: nines | Jan 1, 2018 7:13:07 PM | 104

@ nines...thanks for looking into the background on those pictures for us..

ninel has said they created the name they are using from spelling lenin backwards..

Posted by: james | Jan 1, 2018 7:18:22 PM | 105

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Posted by: liam | Jan 1, 2018 7:29:46 PM | 106

"One of the few elements that scholars do believe is a constant in successful popular revolutions is that the regime must lose the will or the ability to employ violence effectively to crush the Revolution. [However] it seems unlikely that the islamic re-gime will lose the will to crush internal threats to its rule."

--From page 109 of the Brookings Institute proposal for regime change in Iran, cited above by B

It speaks for itself. But what is the endgame?

Posted by: rackstraw | Jan 1, 2018 7:33:05 PM | 107

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 7:03:33 PM | 104

Let's say 2009 Green movement was by Iranians prefering an opening of their country to the West including Western lifestyle cheered on by Western think tanks and Iranian exiles. Mehdi Karoubi was the Iranian politician reportedly involved in Reagan's 'October surprise', his brother in the Iran contra affair.
I am not sure what I would opt for as an Iranian, but I would try not to get killed or go to prison for geopolitics nor trade routes.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 1, 2018 7:49:31 PM | 108

@ninel | Jan 1, 2018 6:44:04 PM | 99

Well, in the end, it seems that everybody is jumping on the train of these "revolts", since new data are appearing.
With respect to the economical data you point out as the root fo these protests, there is a new article at Sputnik Spanish, where a member of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, Mr. Kosachev, contradicts your data adding that:

The senator stressed that the situation in Iran is not among the worst among the countries of the Middle East.

In particular, Kosachev noted that the current Iranian per capita GDP is $ 5,300, which is about 4.5% higher than in 2016 and 1.5 times higher than, for example, that of Egypt. In addition, the senator stressed that inflation, although quite high, is the minimum of the last 25 years. And unemployment (around between 8% and 9.5%) is lower than what was experienced in Turkey (11.6%).

Would Iran be on the verge of a 'color revolution'?

Then, there is another article at RT adding that the various foreign actors engaging in support of this revolts may be going around there quite lost, including several members of the US administration, each one to their own, in different directions, pointing out that it seems that the revolts originated precisely in Mashhad, the stronghold of the most hardliners amongst the Islamic leadership.( Weird...What´s up? Could be that Mr. D´Andrea is providing the wrong intelligence right now, or it is that he has passed to the other side? May be he has his own businness? Oh, wait! )

He also pointed out that the political force behind the protests could be far from what the US president expects. In his tweets, Trump repeatedly said that Iranians “are fed up with corruption” and are “hungry… for freedom,” which would imply a sort of western-style freedom.

However, it may actually turn out that the protests are driven by Iran’s hardliners and Islamic conservatives, who are challenging the presidency of Rouhani, who is considered a “moderate” politician in the Islamic Republic.

The Iranian city of Mashhad is one of the places where the protests initially started. Al-Burai explained that it is actually a “stronghold of Rouhani’s major competitor” at the last presidential elections, Ebrahim Raisi. Raisi is the son-in-law of the Mashhad Friday prayer leader and Grand Imam of Imam Reza shrine, Ahmad Alamolhoda.

The politician also enjoys the support of the Iranian conservative circles. He advocates gender segregation and even sees sanctions imposed against Iran as a sort of opportunity. Notably, fighting corruption and creating jobs were his major election promises during the last presidential campaign.

In the meantime, the US seems to pay no attention to the real situation on the ground. On Monday, US Vice President Mike Pence promised full support to the Iranian protesters by saying, “We must not and we will not let them down.”

'Trump's support will not be welcomed by Iranian protesters'

Thus, too much for voluntary hijab, abortion and so on, as you claim...It seems here that there are not only foreign actors, but besides Iranian actors trying to jump on the train of the original revolts.

What I fail to understand is, again, the timing and opportunity of this revolts if it is confirmed it was so.

Posted by: elsi | Jan 1, 2018 7:51:23 PM | 109

This thread has become troll central...

Posted by: ben | Jan 1, 2018 7:53:57 PM | 110

I wonder why the posts by this "ninel" are all published and mine posted two times already with data debunking his claims is not....

I am starting to think that this a case of "blue on blue"... so as to spread confussion, so, if you are an independent reader only looking for some truth and you want to know more about Iranian portests, there are two good articles at both, Sputnk Spanish and RT English, with new data to add to this mess.

Posted by: elsi | Jan 1, 2018 7:56:15 PM | 111

@ben | Jan 1, 2018 7:53:57 PM | 110

Indeed, but you notice how he/she is engaged by the regular commenters here with anyone debunking his claims about this being something leaded by that Green Movement, that it is not, as I have tried to prove with my posts deleted, and notice how they are giving him/her rope enough to explain his/herslef and the whole discussion has turned into a propaganda effort by Iranian opposition.....
So, you take your own conclusions...I have taken mine....

Posted by: elsi | Jan 1, 2018 8:01:32 PM | 112

@ somebody 109

Let's say 2009 Green movement was by Iranians prefering an opening of their country to the West including Western lifestyle cheered on by Western think tanks and Iranian exiles. Mehdi Karoubi was the Iranian politician reportedly involved in Reagan's 'October surprise', his brother in the Iran contra affair.
I am not sure what I would opt for as an Iranian, but I would try not to get killed or go to prison for geopolitics nor trade routes.

So, prohibition of child marriages, end to capital punishment and public hangings, women's reproductive rights, trade union demands, alcohol consumption, etc. are all part of the 'Western lifestyle' which are trivial and unimportant to most Iranians? What sort of logic is this! Guilt by association? Because these things exist in other countries, and because said countries are against IRI, therefore these things must be evil and part of a conspiracy? Come on man. These are not trivial things for ordinary Iranians. I've met hundreds in my life time. I know a lot about Iran because of my so many interactions with Iranians, both in university and in private gatherings and because I'm well read on the subject.

Why don't you actually go visit Iran and try to live there for a few months. These trivial liberties as you see it, should not matter too much, and life should not be so bad, right?

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 8:10:06 PM | 113

BTW, I fail to understand why in spite of that this blogger, "b", is posting from Germany, the blog has the time of Washington DC....

Posted by: elsi | Jan 1, 2018 8:11:34 PM | 114

@ ben 110

Why don't you actually respond to the criticisms and points instead of name calling? The mullahs do the same thing, and the consequence is imprisonment and execution for those accused. In fact all ruling classes try to divide and conquer and delegitimise individuals, groups and movements directed against their power. You are doing the same thing yet you're not part of the ruling class. Didn't Engels warn of 'false consciousness' among the proletariat? Are you one of them?

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 8:13:01 PM | 115

@ elsi

I don't need to get my information from MOA, Sputnik and RT about political matters. I'm a tenured professor at a university. I prefer academic peer reviewed materials over 'journalistic' crap although some of it makes for interesting reading.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 8:14:31 PM | 116

@ elsi 110 wrote:


Indeed, but you notice how he/she is engaged by the regular commenters here with anyone debunking his claims about this being something leaded by that Green Movement, that it is not, as I have tried to prove with my posts deleted, and notice how they are giving him/her rope enough to explain his/herslef and the whole discussion has turned into a propaganda effort by Iranian opposition.....
So, you take your own conclusions...I have taken mine....


You sound confused. I never claimed the current protests are 'being something leaded by that Green Movement'. I was refuting b's claim that the GM was a CIA colour revolution. It was not. It was a grass roots civil rights movement with millions of followers inside the country and outside. I remember in 2009, almost every single Iranian student in my university and off campus was wearing green. These were not all paid CIA agents. They were ordinary Iranians who hopes and aspirations.

If you would like to read about the subject, I can recommend some authoritative books written by prominent Iranian academics who are not Shah, IRI, or US supporters like Hamid Dabashi.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 8:20:51 PM | 117

psychohistorian @ 105

If you've even read 'serious' political economic works like the 49 year old Marx of Capital, then you wouldn't even be asking such silly questions. Would you like to discuss the 'parts' of Marx that you like?

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 8:25:50 PM | 118

The Brookings Institute study cited above contains a section 'Military Intervention', which says that in order to promote successful regime change in Iran, "[the USA must find] ways to weaken the Iranian military, or weaken the willingness of the regime’s leaders to call on the military, or else the United States must be ready to intervene to defeat it.".

So what's the endgame here?

I can't see the Russian Federation permitting American intervention in Iran, one of it's few allies, a neighboring country (across it's maritime border with Russia on the Caspian Sea), a trading partner, and one of it's few allies; any more than they would tolerate the presence of an American strike force on the Black Sea.

And the Russians have lost all confidence in Uncle Sam, having made it clear that they regard the U.S. as unstable & unpredictable, and capable of anything.

Posted by: rackstraw | Jan 1, 2018 8:32:45 PM | 119

re: Posted by: elsi | Jan 1, 2018 8:01:32 PM | 112
I agree, there is something about the posts that doesn't jibe. Everything I had read re the 2009 events (see Willyloman's 2009 publications as an example)pointed to it being a push to regain power, or rather increase power by the elite. And that lack of support by the rank and file caused it to fizzle out. Further from what I have read the present protests are in quite a few cases caused by the recent easing of sanctions, causing lower priced goods to flood the markets and wiping out Iranian vendors who had up until now been the sole source for such products. This has led to businesses closing and people out of work.
Further, the financial supports given by the prior President to ease the impact of inflation re fuel and electricity have ended resulting in costs rising by as much as 40 percent. As I understand it the new President is more "neocon" in nature than his predecessor and this clearly is a problem.
I also know that the US MIC is trying to make hay of all of this, so any strident views on the subject which support "revolution" that I encounter I view with a somewhat jaded eye:)

Posted by: frances | Jan 1, 2018 8:42:18 PM | 120

Here's a link to an interview with Mohammad Mirandi, who teaches at the University of Tehran. He's a regular guest on RT's Cross Talk. He is a regime supporter yet in this interview he admits the protests are real and are related to economic problems. He goes on to blame sanctions and failed promises of Western countries for the protests, glossing over the fact that people have grievances that go back many decades which are related to civil and political rights and demands. He also mentions there are anti-regime protesters but they do not speak for the majority of protesters (of course many protesters may be wary of shouting out harsh slogans such as 'death to dictator' out of fear of retaliation as had happened in 2009). He also says the protests are being 'politicised' by Western states (not led or funded by them). The protests are widespread, and taking place throughout the country. Yes other countries are going to try to take advantage of the situation, but that doesn't mean Iranians don't have grievances against the government there or demands to make in public through organisation, rallies and protests.

Even if all these protests and movements were inspired by and funded directly by the CIA, like the 1953 Mossadeq coup, you have to admit that it is ordinary Iranians who are acting against the interests of their fellow countrymen. Doesn't some of the blame also go to them? In other words, at what point do you stop blaming foreign influences and focus your attention on the domestic population? Mossadeq was not physically overthrown by Americans or the British (they certainly funded the operation) but by Iranians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BRhDRrYLUM

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 8:53:39 PM | 121

@120 ninel... no one will disagree with dissatisfaction in most countries in the world today.. it goes without saying that this would be true in iran as well.. i don't think anyone is saying this is all the fault of the cia or whatever, but i do think it is very clear that the financial sanctions and warmongering expressed towards iran has not stopped coming from the usa in particular towards iran..

iran's situation is more fragile given ongoing outside threats of war coming from the usa-israel and ksa - the same three countries that have worked to overthrow assad.. the continued financial sanctions imposed on iran, as just a lighter form of the same movement.. so, if i get you right - you would like to see iran more open, in spite of the ongoing concern that any protest can be hijacked, as we witnessed in ukraine and syria recently.. do you have the same concern for saudi arabia or israel, or the usa?

Posted by: james | Jan 1, 2018 9:07:04 PM | 122

ninel

Are you Dabashi? Or are you pretending to be him? I’d guess the later because your ‘backwards Lenin’ is too cute.

What you have said and what you haven’t said are very suspicious. Liberal interventionists have discredited themselves so it is entirely appropriate for folks here to ask about the foreign agenda. But you ignore these questions and persist with tales of suffering trying to drum up support.

Furthermore, much of your criticism of Iran leadership also applies to US: there is economic suffering in the US; there is a class system in the US; etc. Why should we concern ourselves with problems in Iran - half a world away - when we have our own problems to solve?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 1, 2018 9:11:58 PM | 123

113)You are talking about the United States, are you?

1. Child marriage in the United States

2. Capital punishment in the United States - I am sure you heard of that one - here an especially atrocious case.

3. Women reproductive rights - I guess that depends where you live in the States

4, Trade Union demands - there is a problem in the US

5. Alcohol consumption .... oh well, pick your poison.

It is highly unlikely that the politicians leading the 2009 'Color revolution' were interested in any of the above. It is very likely though that the US thought they would get a better deal from them.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 1, 2018 9:13:02 PM | 124


112
Indeed, but you notice how he/she is engaged by the regular commenters here with anyone debunking his claims about this being something leaded by that Green Movement, that it is not, as I have tried to prove with my posts deleted,

it would be antisemitic to delete ninel this would go down badly at sub basement level 666 in dimona hq.
you 112 are goy your comment deleted down the memory holes.

this site is limited hang out i here just safety valve a burp facility and monitor tool computational number crunching tag logging of the few who can see the khazarian satanists behind purple curtain


deletions within 5 mins and counting

Posted by: terry gilgamesh | Jan 1, 2018 9:17:30 PM | 125

all these deletions are making for a very strange page it begins to look like ashkanazim ninel is having a conversation with herself?

perhaps all comments but hers should be deleted.
it must be noted that zero ninel comments gets deleted who is run barter town

Posted by: terry gilgamesh | Jan 1, 2018 9:26:31 PM | 126

add to 123

This here is the New York Times talking about a "Green revolution" BEFORE Mousavi lost the elections - in the context of Obama's/Clinton's Cairo speech 'Muslim strategy' riding Obama's hope and change.

On the streets of Tehran, and on Flickr, the opposition leader’s green-clad supporters have been seen waving posters of him bearing the promise, in English, of “a new greeting to the world.”

That last slogan makes it clear that Mr. Moussavi shares more than just a middle name with the new American president. Mr. Obama’s speech in Cairo last week was called “A New Beginning: Engaging With Muslims Worldwide,” and throughout his own campaign, Mr. Obama argued that his country needed a new leader who could abandon the confrontational foreign policy of the previous administration. Looking at the size and intensity of the demonstrations by his supporters in Tehran this week, it is clear that Mr. Moussavi has convinced some Iranians that their time for change has come, too. On Friday we will find out if a majority of the country’s voters feel the same way.

US policy leading to the destablization of Egypt, Libya, Syria and a lot of people people dead, under house arrest or in prison.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 1, 2018 9:33:03 PM | 127

only simpleton goy evil doer or twisted anti semenite would be against drumpf trumped and nuttyahoo in these quiet moments before the storm.

US Intelligence Reportedly Gives Israel Green Light To Assassinate Iran's Top General

the United States has quietly given Israel the green light to assassinate Iran's top military officer, Iranian Revolutionary Guards al-Quds Force commander Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani. The leader of Iran's most elite force


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-01/us-intelligence-reportedly-gives-israel-green-light-assassinate-irans-top-general

Posted by: hank | Jan 1, 2018 9:36:54 PM | 128

@ jackrabbit 122

I'm not Dabashi but I've read his works and am familiar with the literature on contemporary Iran.

"Furthermore, much of your criticism of Iran leadership also applies to US: there is economic suffering in the US; there is a class system in the US; etc. Why should we concern ourselves with problems in Iran - half a world away - when we have our own problems to solve?"


This is a blog post about Iran, not the USA. But I did mention in one of my posts earlier, that it is problematic to speak of countries when they are all divided along lines of class, gender, race, etc. The ruling class in Iran wants to keep the economy closed for itself. The elites there are benefiting from the status quo; many of their family members go to school in Western countries, and even invest money in property and businesses in those countries instead of trying to create employment and opportunities in the country. You can say the same about other countries. But the point I was making is this: you don't have to support the IRI just because you oppose foreign intervention. You can be against both, as many Iranians are.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 9:41:53 PM | 129

@ elsi - since you are new here, please consider @124 terry gilgamesh comments as the regular poster i refer to as charles drake, who constantly keeps changing their name, offering silly hasbara stuff in an ongoing manner.

@ 122 jr... thanks for your post.. i was wondering about that myself.. and, i agree with the sentiment of your post..

Posted by: james | Jan 1, 2018 9:42:50 PM | 130

@128 ninel.. quote "This is a blog post about Iran, not the USA." actually if you read the title of the post, you will quickly see it is about more then iran ninel.. there must be a reason for your particular angle and desire to avoid the questions put to you by jackrabbit and a number of other posters here.. your response to jr appears like a clear example avoidance to me..

Posted by: james | Jan 1, 2018 9:45:43 PM | 131

@ somebody 123

I never denied that such demands and struggles don't exist elsewhere. My point was that Iranians have real grievances against the government, which go back many decades, even before the IRI was established. To many Iranians, I suspect some of your comments and warnings about foreign meddling and intervention might remind them a lot of the Iranian government which accuses legitimate groups with concerns and demands of being 'foreign agents'. This is not wise. If the IRI wants to survive, it needs to grant greater civil liberties which cost nothing and address corruption and environmental issues.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 9:50:37 PM | 132

Why would I come to MOA out of all places to 'drum up' support for foreign intervention? You guys need to lay off the kool aid. I have been quite clear in my posts regarding protests and movements within Iran. What caused some outrage on my part was b's suggestion that the 2009 movement was a CIA colour revolution. I posted a link to a youtube which clearly shows hundreds of thousands of people (estimates vary from 1-3 million) in Tehran taking to the streets to demand greater civil and political rights. The documentary Nation of Exiles which Dabashi actually features in, shows some of the footage of the protests and the brutal crackdown. Yes these movements can be used by outside powers for their own purposes, but they are genuine grass root movements from below and many people who participate in them are neither pro-regime nor pro-US/Pahlavi/MEK. They will continue so long as domestic issues are not addressed. In that sense you are all missing the root cause of the matter, which is to be found inside the country, not outside of it.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 10:01:16 PM | 133

Let's preface my response by the following observation: Anyone who invokes Lenin's name in his/her handle whilst, in the same breath brings up Troskey's in the light of a hero revolutionary is most likely a Bolshevik Jew or one who holds those sentiments close at heart, and is therefore on this forum in order to distract from either the article or some of the commentators that came before lenin's first comment. What was it commrade lenin that so provoked you? It seems these disinfo agents are coming out in troves on various boards in order to stem the leaks in their cracking dam of lies. We are onto to your ilk!

Now, to your arguments on Neda Agha Soltan, but let us first make some obsevations ....

Her death is not of dispute here, but the circumstances of her death and the person(s) responsible ..... Was she shot by a person on the roof, as some claim, or from the street nearby, as others claim? Could it be that she was suffocated after the fact, but before paramedics could get to her(RE: video daniel posted---the guy in the blue shirt can be seen pressing her shoulders to the ground immobilizing her while the other guy in the white shirt is either trying to stop the blood from her wound or is suffocating her as his hands are around the throat at times)? Why was her "so-called" killer apprehended by a riled-up crowd only to be so conveniently let go soon thereafter, only for his ID to be retained--just like the passports of the 9/11 highjackers--as a means to identify just the "right kind" of offender?

Why would a non-political young person, as is claimed by her family and friends, feel so motivated by a single political event to attend these protests with her music teacher? She must have been stirred up by people over some period of time in order to attend this protest. Why would she get out of a car one kilometer away from the actual protest if she was stuck in traffic for one hour, and where did she park her car that she was stuck in traffic in? Is it because the lack of A/C in the car as is claimed or is it that being not far from the actual protest offered the added adventage of a clearer shot because it is less dense whilst still being associated with the actual protest itself? Why was she chosen as the sacrificial lamb to begin with? If actual government forces, the Basij, where behind the shooting, why single out a young woman, whose very name: Neda means "voice", "calling" (sometimes understood as a "divine message" in Persian, one kilometer from the actual protest, just a short time after getting out of her car? Because it a an all too perfect story which will be promoted and spread virually by western media sources! And to top it all off she was supposedly overheard predicting her own death to her friend.

But wait, there is more...

It was in Turkey, more than two months prior to her death, that she met her fiancé, after being divorced, and some would say emotionally vulnerable to someone who can manipulate her, 37-year-old Caspian Makan, who worked as a photojournalist and filmmaker. What are the chances that the world comes into possession of a video portraying a death of a "courageous" "defiant" "young woman"--so aptly named: "the divine message"photojournalist and a filmmaker? How picture perfect is that!!! Then after her death he immigrates to Canada and gives countless interviews--but never going to the host country for the SOLE purpose of the interview itself EXCEPT for one case: in Israel fresh off an EL AL flight to do an interview with Israeli ch 2.... How accomidating of him? What other business brought him there?

You see, us goyim, can in fact put dots together, especially when these all-too-perfect fairytales are pushed onto the unsuspecting public. Was it just coincidence, as is always portrayed, or is it more sinister work of foreign agents at play? hmmmm....

Posted by: JS | Jan 1, 2018 10:01:37 PM | 134

ninel - read up on colour revolutions.. no doubt their is internal dissatisfaction, but for you to ignore how external forces want to foment and take advantage of them leads me to conclude (i am slower then some others here) that you are indeed being disingenuous in your concerns..

Posted by: james | Jan 1, 2018 10:06:39 PM | 135

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 9:50:37 PM | 131

From what I read that is what Rouhani has been doing/suggesting. But the protest slogans seem to be against Rouhani (and Khamenei) and about the economy - not personal freedom.

My guess just now is that it is a de facto cooperation between Trump who wants to renege the nuclear agreement, Israeli/Saudi/British destabilization via ethnic groups/MEK to make Iran forget about foreign engagement and Iranian conservatives who want to cause problems for Rouhani who has attacked some vested interests recently. Plus an authentic protest against the neoliberalism of Iranian elites.

Same as in Ukraine where a large part of the success of the color revolutions there was authentic disgust with corruption.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 1, 2018 10:09:00 PM | 136

For those interested, here's a debate on the recent protests in Iran on network of Aljazeera (yes I understand it's a mouth piece of the Qatari government which happens to have friendly relations with the Iranian government at the moment)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MswmZXejSE

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 10:10:31 PM | 137

2009 was a civil rights movement, many middle class Iranians participated in it in the streets and on social media. There were economic problems then there, as there were in the 90s, and 80s, but civil and political demands were more vocal in 2009. Now the protests are related more to the economy but civil and political liberties obviously are important (the economy is poor elsewhere in the world but civil and political liberties, for example the freedom to walk into an establishment and order an alcoholic beverage or or other forms of entertainment and leisure which are outlawed in Iran, provide a sort of opiate to the masses). It is also difficult for the government to blame foreign forces for economic problems. In fact a Rouhani administration figure at first blamed the hard liners for starting the protests as a way to blame Rouhani and the nuclear deal and greater cooperation with the West for the country's ills. But the economic difficulties cannot be blamed square on foreign countries. The incompetence of the mullahs does not escape most Iranians.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 10:15:23 PM | 138

Let's preface my response by the following observation: Anyone who invokes Lenin's name in his/her handle whilst, in the same breath brings up Troskey's in the light of a hero revolutionary is most likely a Bolshevik Jew or one who holds those sentiments close at heart, and is therefore on this forum in order to distract from either the article or some of the commentators that came before lenin's first comment. What was lenin that so provoked you? It seems these disinfo agents are coming out in troves on various boards in order to stem the leaks in their cracking dam of lies. We are onto to your ilk .....

Now, to your arguments on Neda Agha Soltan, but let us first make some obsevations ....

Her death is not of dispute here, but the circumstances of her death and the person(s) responsible ..... Was she shot by a person on the roof, as some claim, or from the street nearby, as others claim? Could it be that she was suffocated after the fact, but before paramedics could get to her(the guy in the blue shirt can be seen pressing her shoulders to the ground immobilizing her while the other guy in the white shirt is trying to stop the blood from her wound or is suffocating her as his hands are around the throat at times)?

Why would a non-political young person, as is claimed by her family and friends, feel so motivated by a single political event to attend these protests with her music teacher? She must have been stirred up by people over some period of time in order to attend this protest. Why would she get out of a car one kilometer away from the actual protest if she was stuck in traffic for one hour, and where did she park her car that she was stuck in traffic in? Is it because the lack of A/C in the car as is claimed or is it that being not far from the protest offered the added adventage of a clearer shot because it is less dense whilst still be associated with the actual protest itself? Why was she chosen as the sacrificial lamb to begin with? If actual government forces, Basij militia, where behind the shooting, why single out a young woman, whose very name: Neda means "voice", "calling" (sometimes understood as a "divine message" in Persian, one kilometer from the actual protest, just a short time after getting out of her car? Because it a an all too perfect story which will be promoted and spread virually by western media sources! And to top it all off she was supposedly overheard predicting her own death to her friend

But wait, there is more...

It was in Turkey, more than two months prior to her death, that she met her fiancé, after being divorced, and some would say emotionally vulnerable to someone who can more easily manipulare her, 37-year-old Caspian Makan, who worked as a photojournalist and filmmaker. What are the chances that the world comes into possession of a video portraying a death of a "courageous" "defiant" young woman--so aptly named: "the divine message"--who is also enraptured with her fiancé, who happens to also be a photojournalist and a filmmaker? How picture perfect is that!!! Then after her death he immigrates to Canada and gives countless interviews--but never going to the host country for the SOLE purpose of the interview itself EXCEPT for one case:in Israel off a fresh EL AL flight with Israeli ch 2.... How accomidating of him? What other business brought him there?

You see, us goyim, can in fact put dots together, especially when these all-too-perfect fairytales are pushed onto the unsuspecting public. Was it just coincidence, as is always portrayed, or is it more sinister work of foreign agents at play? hmmmm....

Posted by: JS | Jan 1, 2018 10:22:07 PM | 139

Here is the link to Caspian Makan's, her fiance, with Israeli ch 2, he did while in Israel:

https://youtu.be/nx1KWW4Ew9Y

Posted by: JS | Jan 1, 2018 10:25:58 PM | 140

@137,@138:

These were directed @ninel

Posted by: JS | Jan 1, 2018 10:29:13 PM | 141

ninel

In a number of your remarks you convey the sense that those who do not vocally support the protesters are pro-IRI.

Many of us have been long observers of international relations and such a formalism reeks of the neocon attitude of “if your not with us your against us”.

Many in the West refuse to entertain the possibility of sending our children to fight costly and futile wars far from home. So your manipulative pleadings and protestations only make me (and others) wary.

If discontent with Iran’s leadership is as great as you say (“millions”) then Iranian protesters should be able to muster the strength to force change without outside help that would likely lead to foreign intervention.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 1, 2018 10:34:06 PM | 142

@ James 137

You don't address any of my points in the first paragraph of your post. You only engage in childish name calling. Bolshevik Jew? Yikes.

As for poor Neda, she is only one casualty. Many others were killed, injured, imprisoned and/or tortured.

Here's the video again, of millions of protesters taking to the streets in Tehran in 2009 to demand basic civil and political liberties. I wonder how much the CIA paid each Iranian in the video to protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2QNj8DNHgo

Here's a video of an unarmed protester being brutally attacked by security forces back in 2009: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDPXVuL1GYo

Here's a video of more people getting the shit beaten out of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYeFuiPmp6I

Is this a government that you support? Not me. Does that mean I'm for all the governments that the US has overthrown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_supported_by_the_United_States)? No. But I understand where Iranians are coming from and know that the regime is not popular inside the country.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 10:43:40 PM | 143

@ Jackrabbit 140

Your second point about “if your not with us your against us” is exactly how I feel when I read some of your comments. I never denied Western meddling. But you can't blame all the country's ills on foreign powers like the IRI does. Iranians are sick of it. And the recent protests are one manifestation of it. I am one of the few people who actually knows something about Iran. Many of you are just talking out of your ass and speculating about things with little or no knowledge about Iran.

"If discontent with Iran’s leadership is as great as you say (“millions”) then Iranian protesters should be able to muster the strength to force change without outside help that would likely lead to foreign intervention"

The government routinely uses violence to clamp down on all opposition. You do know thousands of leftists were summarily executed in the 1980s right? Women who protested against the hijab were repressed. Trade unions have been banned in the country and workers demanding wages are labelled as the enemies of God. The student protests were brutally crushed in 1999 and in 2009 Evin and other prisons were filled with protesters, some of whom fled the country upon release.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 1, 2018 10:51:24 PM | 144

@141 ninel... it is JS @137 not james... if you can't even get the names right when addressing others here, i can see bigger problems for you then your attempt at getting at the truth of something... and, i do agree with the example that JS has outlined @137..

and you are becoming increasingly toxic in the comments you do make, like your comments to jackrabbit in your post @142... sorry, but it seems you are not interested in conversing much if any..

Posted by: james | Jan 1, 2018 11:20:00 PM | 145

@141 ninel:

You are so arrogant in your attempts and you accuse others of contradiction, yet it is you, who, perhaps under the sheer weight of duress from the web-of-lies spun up by those you attempt to dissolve of any blame, that subconsciously catharsis finally overburdens your ego. As James points out before me, I am JS, although your CONFLATING nature is now outed. Haaaa! You'd like to conflate james and JS, just like the spooks do in western governments when they conflate a movement bourne out of ordinary peoples' frustration with embellishments worthy of and to the point of their own self-interests. You've been exposed! Now crawl to your land of fantasy where lies are the truth. Gone are days of your free-reign of deception! People are starting to wake up and a day of reckoning is fast approaching......

You accuse others of not addressing your points (your arrogance thinks it can steer all conversations to YOUR premises) yet you cannot, or lack the intellect, to answer the questions I posed to you @137. What a fraud! Go and collect your shekels as you lack, just like those you serve, ANY sense of introspection!

Posted by: JS | Jan 1, 2018 11:48:25 PM | 146

ninel

You’re not fooling anyone ninel. Repeating yourself wont help. Drivel is another sign of fakery.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 1, 2018 11:55:54 PM | 147

BTW if you want to get started on videos of abuse towards citizens of their own countries, I am willing to shower you with videos of IDF maiming, killing, displacing Palestinians--including very young or handicapped, like the most recent one of a certain man who being confined to a wheelchair, as he had no legs, was shot, coldblooded, in the head, nonetheless, by the IDF (I am certain you know what I am speaking of, but you will undoubtedly paint him as a terrorist who threatened the life of an IDF soldier, who happens to be of the chosen kind, and is therefore worth more than a thousand of the goyimish life, even though he possessed no legs of his own anymore to pose any kinetic threat whatsoever. You people are a simple detritus upon us more refined.

Posted by: JS | Jan 2, 2018 12:03:38 AM | 148

@146
Was once again aimed at ninel/Lenin

Posted by: JS | Jan 2, 2018 12:06:09 AM | 149

ninel you have made your point. The 2009 Green movement and the current protests are legitimate.
Fine, we get it, understood, acknowledged, ok, gotcha, 10-4.

Let move on, shall we?

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 2, 2018 12:20:32 AM | 150

Ninel. I did NOT contradict myself. The Neda video is clearly a staged, hoax event, and your inability to provide any explanation for the medically impossible video is evidence you either know that, or are willfully ignorant.

She may well have been one of the sincere protesters whom I have stated were taking part in the 2009 protests. She clearly agreed to go along with a hoax as she does not protest when the man squirts "blood" on her numerous times. People often create fraudulent "evidence" for a cause they believe in.

But, I have no reason to doubt her family that she was also shot to death... just that such a shooting was not recorded in that PR video.

"Patsys" are often removed after they've served their purpose.

And stop pretending to speak for my dear friends. Some of them gave their lives for Iranian independence, and almost all of them oppose(d) the theocratic takeover of their Revolution.

Posted by: Daniel | Jan 2, 2018 12:34:42 AM | 151

nines. That photo is from this site:

http://www.english.iswnews.com/1010/what-is-happening-in-iran/

The photographer is listed as ghazal mafakheri, who has a Linkedin Profile as a freelance photographer. I know that there's a way to get into the metadata of photos and do photo searches online, but I don't know how to do either. Do you have citation showing that photo from 2009?

Posted by: Daniel | Jan 2, 2018 12:45:50 AM | 152

@137

I had trouble posting my original comment in @137, but a few lines were missing from my original (for some reason the a href tag would not allow me to post the youtube video link of Caspian's Israeli video embedded in the original video tag so I had to do it again from memory again) .

What was missed--and is crucial to my point--was why did the "so-called" protesters who seemingly captured the perpetrator of Neda's murder, while he proclaimed that he did not intend to kill her, according to them, all of a sudden they let him go, as opposed to keeping in captivity until the authorities arrived, so that he can, by a stroke of "blind" luck, disappear into obscurity, whilst managing, somehow, someway, to wrestle his identification card (which afforded the perfect stooge to be implicated) to be so conveniently leaked to western media and simultaneously go viral on Twitter (another government propaganda dissemination tool) in short order so that this pristine narrative could take shape ever so sussinctly--just like the passports of the 9/11 highjackers were found, unscathed, and on-site of the crash site of the jets. HOW convenient is that?

Posted by: JS | Jan 2, 2018 12:56:57 AM | 153

I highly recommend reading this twitter thread by Canadian Iranian Hossen Derakshan who seems to have a good grasp of the situation:

https://twitter.com/h0d3r/status/947665068421996544

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 2, 2018 1:05:00 AM | 154

I realise it is still holiday time for many and there is a bit of a dearth of intellectual stimulatiion this time of year, but really why on earth would people engage with such an obvious Hasbara troll?
Back in 2009 after Hillary Clinton had tried to take over the Iranian internet and the likes of Nazanin Zaghari had constructed all her deceitful websites courtesy of england's BBC, and we got stuck with a particularly tenacious & deceitful member of that ilk at MoA, some of us posted about the utter worthlessness of so-called'expats' point of view.
They are either scumbags who had to flee Iran to escape having to face their crimes, or the sons & daughters of the same raised on a diet of bullshit about 'the good old days' which never were. All that lot want to do is get their snouts in the trough, if they really cared about Iran and its people they would be there now working to build a better society in a way that didn't expose innocents to violence, but that isn't what we see here, we see a zionist enabling scumsucker repeating apocryphal tales sourced outta Tel-Aviv.

I strongly suggest everyone ignore & don't engage as that was the only way MoA got rid of the last one.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 2, 2018 1:16:32 AM | 155

From ZeroHedge:

According to reports circulating widely in Israeli media today, the United States has quietly given Israel the green light to assassinate Iran's top military officer, Iranian Revolutionary Guards al-Quds Force commander Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani. The leader of Iran's most elite force also coordinates military activity between the Islamic Republic and Syria, Iraq, Hezbollah, and Hamas - a position he's filled since 1998 - and as Quds Force commander reports directly to the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei, and oversees Iran's covert operations in foreign countries.

here:


Posted by: arbetet | Jan 2, 2018 1:27:39 AM | 156

@153:

Although, I am new here at MoA, I enjoy exposing these liars for their purported empty concerns for others are, only to reveal their true selfish intent, either by nature of their role or their acquiescence thereof. We should not be afraid to fight these agents of deception and shame their chosen belief system. They are superficial cowards who will not and can not fight their own wars. They are PATHETIC COWARDS and nothing more!!!! Their ultimate demise will be realized in relative peace around the globe, at least in the foreseeable future, as there will always be evil at door's step.

Posted by: JS | Jan 2, 2018 1:36:26 AM | 157

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 2, 2018 1:16:32 AM | 153

Am I right that you include the left wing emigration from Iran in this?

Posted by: somebody | Jan 2, 2018 1:37:35 AM | 158

@154:

The question is, is there a green light for Trumppet to meet the same fate, unlike JFK?

What a disgusting photo of Trumpi and NetanYaHoo, with clenched hands, at a secret meeting discussing Iran's fate, in terms of their collective (dual-citzenship traitors) plan yet again to interfere in a country's affair which only threatens Israel? Cui bono? Israel, Israel, and always Israel!

Posted by: JS | Jan 2, 2018 1:46:05 AM | 159

I've been following this blog for many years. I'm not a troll. I spoke on an issue that I know quite a bit about. Loizon thanks for the acknowledgment. Some of the others are in lala land, too caught up with 'western meddling' to even notice the exploitation and oppression going on within the country, on a daily basis.

JS, jackrabbit and james seem to be drunk off kool aid. Go visit the country and talk to some Iranians about it. Or at least listen to some of your colleagues like Loizon who seems to have a better grasp of the situation there. The blogger he referred to (Hossein Derakhshan) was a part of the Green Movement and spent several years in prison after 2009 for his blog posts and organisational activities. These are people who are mindful of what's going on in the country AND outside.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 2, 2018 1:51:26 AM | 160

@152 Lozion

That's an interesting link, and hat tip to Somebody also who posted the link earlier in this thread. In short, there are internal Iranian interests that seem to be allying with external forces.

~~

When does a grass-roots movement become a color revolution? This has been the subject of much study especially in the past 3 years, greatly intensified since the Maidan in Ukraine. There's no doubt that decades of work went into perfecting the playbook used by the anglo-zionists.

The most daunting aspect to me has always been how sensitively the co-opting and infiltrating occurs, given the passionate and truthful nature of most grass-roots early participants. After all, there is usually a truly righteous cause, and each time the NGOs and various agents have been able to bond with the ordinary and justice-seeking native activists without raising suspicions.

There must be layers of sympathy that gradually wear thinner further away from the heart of the movement. It would range from tearful hand-holding deep inside the movement, outward to the snipers and the disinfo groups and all the other tools of the black arts arrayed outside. It's incredibly well done, and nations like Russia have now formally conducted tactical studies of how it works.

The dynamic of a color revolutions seems to be that the more passionately the ideas of betterment are held, the more opportunity is offered for the color revolution to co-opt and exploit these visions. There's a seeming paradox built in, as if the more opposed to violence the pure vision of the movement is, the better the color revolution works. Because the artificial ingredient then inserted into the target society is the unexpected violence, which outrages the grass roots and quickens it into righteous anger.

It's the inappropriate violence that gives away the color revolution. Just as we've seen happen in Iran.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 2, 2018 2:00:06 AM | 161

@158 nimel/Lenin:

How exactly who and what Loizon speaks of or has personal experience with are you perview to, unless either the both of you are agents, working hand-in-hand, or you are both the same person conjured up to make belief that you are different. Your propaganda is NO MATCH for the enlighted amongst us; some would say chosen but not by a sky-dwelling-omni-present force, but by sole individuals who, just like you--with your uncanny deceitful predespositions--have simply made it as such: "we are few and therefore chosen". Haaa! What a contradiction in terms....You spooks claim to know people abroad, other than your useful assets, are empty at the trough. Who the f'k do you know that is an ordinary Iranian discontent with the current situation at hand? Let me help you liar... Not a single honest one!!!

Care to debunk my questions @137? I thought not...cause you know you will be exposed even further, if you dare...

Posted by: JS | Jan 2, 2018 2:17:59 AM | 162

@158

Always keep this close to your memory: my JS is not james, it is missing the last latter B, in my case, which when combined stands for JSB ( Johann Sebastian Bach 1) for those smart enough to get it.

Posted by: JS | Jan 2, 2018 2:32:21 AM | 163

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 2, 2018 2:00:06 AM | 159

It has got a new toolbox with social media. What goes around comes around. Arguably the US teaparty movement, astroturfing and Trump's election
had color revolution elements. If you have the money to pay you can destabilize a country.

Iranian official media seem to have completely lost out to telegram channels. The BBC was working at it too with BBC Persian (what a name!)

Obviously Iran has a huge problem if they have to oppress people's opinions for the system to survive. First step for a color revolution would be to identify weak spots.

Lots of Maidan protesters were paid to keep it going. The significance of Iran's "working class" very young protesters might be that they have no job and are cheap to pay.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 2, 2018 2:39:54 AM | 164

ninel says:

I'm a tenured professor at a university. I prefer academic peer reviewed materials over 'journalistic' crap although some of it makes for interesting reading

la di freaking da, dude. even fucking Wikipedia has a list of scholarly publishing hoaxes. the tip of the iceberg, that is, floating in a sea of deception, deception that has clouded all of our minds since our first day at school.

it'd be interesting to know which university owns you...well, I mean, in as much as it'd be interesting to know who sits on the board of trustees, governors, directors, etc.

or, in pukka...who controls it.

Posted by: john | Jan 2, 2018 6:35:31 AM | 165

And for a ZH article that details my assertion that all of what we see are the feints of a financial war

Behind Korea, Iran & Russia Tensions: The Lurking Financial War

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 2, 2018 6:42:43 AM | 166

I am not the most experienced reader of this blog. Which I support. I have a lot of Iranian friends since decades, have been 1x there. And I do not feel to be biased. From this point of view I guess that ninel hits the nail. It is wrong to mix own geopolitically based evaluations with thoughts of analyzing the interiors of a regime.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 2, 2018 7:17:18 AM | 167

A few notes for the tardy readers:

The easiest way for the "Powers" to support their cryto-masonic project in Iran is to broadcast their support for demonstrators in Iran. These snakes are not Muslims. They are illuminists.

Another tactic they use consistently is support the freakish psycho-sexual cult of MEK/MKO -- which our host b graciously merely labels as "terrorists". Btw, have you noted that projects of "Powers" keep changing their acronyms? This is to obstruct effective research into these organizations. This cult is despised by all Iranians, inside and out.

Another bullshit line that is constantly peddled (by the likes of that repulsive honey trap, ZH, "commentators", for example) is that "only 3 countries have banks that are not controlled by Rothschilds". Iran's central bank is listed on BIS web page. The snakes shuffle their monies back and forth and the banks you need to look into are in Germany and Switzerland.

Yet another bullshit story that is repeated ad nauseam by mindless internet drones and the likes of New York Times and Guardian and the rest of the controlled press of the "Powers" is how America -- not Great Britain, not France, and certainly not Russia -- committed a historic crime against Iran in '53.

For CENTURIES the European Powers have done everything in their power to retart the development and independence of Iran. These are historic facts that any person can check. Americans involvement in Iran began around the time of Iran's first constitutional revolution and included notable HONORABLE men such as:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_Shuster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_Shuster#The_Strangling_of_Persia

.... such as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Baskerville

.... such as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bassett_%28missionary%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alborz_High_School

HONORABLE MR. William Morgan Shuster, may his soul be blessed by God, was FORCED out of Iran by Russians under the threat of INVASION of Iran.

America's so called support for their so called "puppet" amounts to a measly few years spanning '53 - '71. That is it.

WE IRANIANS KNOW WHO OUR ENEMIES ARE: UK, France, Russia, and Arabs. And unlike America, these ENEMIES OF IRANIANS have not one single example of an honorablle human that ever set foot in the Pure Land of Arya with a purpose to help Ianians. Every single specimen of SNAKE from these lands always slithered in to rob and harm the Noble Iranian Nation.

WE KNOW OUR ENEMIES, INSIDE AND OUT.

We note sock puppets post comments to forums on how "BBC is reporting on Iran's protests just like 50 years ago". Lying sons of whores. BBC used to broadcast the specific dates and locations for the BLACK COLORED REVOLUTION OF 78-79. The late Shah even summoned the limey slimey "ambassador" to protest and was told "they are an indpendent organ and not controlled by her [satanic] majesty's government".

Now, the American super power is being dismantled on schedule and UK and France are enjoying the payback for American ejection of these HISTORIC IMPERIAL POWERS from Suez, and Persian Gulf. Of course these latter day Americans are also infested with traitors and buffoons in guise of "leaders". French Total is getting exceptionally sweatheart deals from their ILLUMINIST STANIC ASSETS in Iran.

And everyone, without exception, goes on bad mouthing our Noble King. They even eulogize monsters like Mao and Stalin but that poor soul is bad mouthed by IRAN'S ENEMIEIS and useful idiots.

(Penelope and frances will hear these words.)


Now you, Iranian man, Iranian woman, recall to mind the noble words of your great father Daryavush Hakha-Manesh, KhshahKhshah, as inscribed in three tongues in the great inscription of Behistun:

King Darius says: You who shall be king hereafter, protect yourself vigorously from lies; punish the liars well, if thus you shall think, 'May my country be secure!'

Let these words be a ring on your earlobes, and let the Light of Yazdaan illuminate your noble breasts. Take heart from valiant Kaaveh, and be guided by the upright spirit of your noble ancestors.

https://youtu.be/vojy37Wsg-E

(Take Heart Iran. THE IMMORTALS ARE BACK.)


Posted by: Kaveh the Ironsmith | Jan 2, 2018 9:49:15 AM | 168

170 You are Exhibit A of the mad descendants of exiles mix who is supporting this "revolution" from abroad. Usually it is the grandchildren believing their grandfathers.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 2, 2018 7:17:18 AM | 169

I know. Everything horrible about the history of Iran's clerical regime is true.

But this "anti-clerical" uprising just does not pass the smell test.

1. How come a considerable amount of Middle East people is suddenly non religious? Of course, it is possible with education etc. but as a rule the middle class starts with enlightenment not the poor.

2. How come this starts in the border regions and the provinces? And not the capital? Which a political movement would do? And where is the indigenous movement behind the uprising? This is an absolute first even for color revolutions. It matches the Syrian uprising.

It also matches the Saudi modernisation drive - monarchy, westernization, anti-corruption.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 2, 2018 11:16:22 AM | 169

@ Kaveh 170


"Yet another bullshit story that is repeated ad nauseam by mindless internet drones and the likes of New York Times and Guardian and the rest of the controlled press of the "Powers" is how America -- not Great Britain, not France, and certainly not Russia -- committed a historic crime against Iran in '53."

Yes outside powers are certainly to blame, but so are Iranians themselves. Take your example, the people on the ground who participated in Operation Ajax and physically rioted and overthrew Mossadeq were Iranians. The Shah and his croonies, were Iranians. The MEK (which is different from what it was before and immediately after the revolution -- read about the Reza'is and Ali Shariati) are all Iranians. The clerical regime, all Iranians. This idea of blaming foreigners all the time and taking zero responsibility for problems of the country was part of the brilliant story My Uncle Napolean (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Uncle_Napoleon). The sentiments expressed in the novel are also prevalent among some of the bloggers here.


"WE IRANIANS KNOW WHO OUR ENEMIES ARE: UK, France, Russia, and Arabs. And unlike America, these ENEMIES OF IRANIANS have not one single example of an honorablle human that ever set foot in the Pure Land of Arya with a purpose to help Ianians. Every single specimen of SNAKE from these lands always slithered in to rob and harm the Noble Iranian Nation."

You might want to read a book or two about class exploitation which has been going on in the Middle East since the agricultural revolution when a surplus product in the form of food stuffs made it possible for a parasitic class to live off the labour of other groups. The ruling class in Iran from centuries ago, whose ideology you have adopted, and which justified its rule over peasants and serfs, exploited the land system to extract surplus from peasants and serfs. Also the 'Noble' Aryan empires you so admire did quite a bit of plundering and conquesting too.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 2, 2018 11:22:19 AM | 170

Reality is sinking in, Iran protests will soon be out of the news

Borzou Daragahi @borzou Geez, we don't even know who protesters are. Maybe you overthrow IRI get a regime of hyper-charged Ahmadinejads instead of wily clerics. Maybe you get a civil war that sends 10 million refugees to the West. Shouldn't you find out some basic facts before putting pedal to metal?

Borzou Daragahi @borzou
Huge difference. US actually had diplomatic ties to Maidan and was in regular contact. Ukraine opposition had an address, history. In Iran 2017/8 protests seasoned journalists struggle to find a single protester to quote.

@mazeppa_waltzes
"Geez, we don't even know who protesters are. Maybe you overthrow Yanukovych get a regime of hyper-charged Banderas instead of wily gopniks."


Posted by: somebody | Jan 2, 2018 11:32:00 AM | 171

"...the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today..." (the psychopathic, narcissistic Siamese twin ...USrael)...


http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Foundation_for_Defense_of_Democracies/ [sic]

Posted by: Cassandra | Jan 2, 2018 11:34:03 AM | 172

@ somebody
Mistakes happen.
"170 You are Exhibit A of the mad descendants of exiles mix who is supporting this "revolution" from abroad. Usually it is the grandchildren believing their grandfathers.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 2, 2018 7:17:18 AM | 169“

You refer there to another post. Mine is 169. What you cite is 170, the post of Kaveh the Ironsmith

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 2, 2018 11:53:16 AM | 173

It seems the WCPI has taken a stance on the protests, perhaps somewhat hastily and without regard to foreign intervention.

http://wpiran.org/english/?p=777

Ditto Tudeh

http://www.tudehpartyiran.org/en/

Posted by: Ninel | Jan 2, 2018 12:06:07 PM | 174

175 yep the lines below were meant to address you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 2, 2018 12:07:05 PM | 175

@ ninel who wrote
"
....The recent protests are opportunities to be exploited not only by foreign powers but by freedom loving non-reactionary Iranians themselves.....
"

Your freedom loving timing stinks of collusion with foreign powers.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 2, 2018 12:32:22 PM | 176

@ psychohistorian 179

You caught me! Me, millions of Iranians, the Iranian Left, are all in bed with US/Israel/Saudi et al. The recent protests were at first initiated by the Iranian hardliners themselves! Not foreign powers you idiot. You're so wedded to conspiracy theories that you refuse to see the realities and facts on the ground. It's the business of little minds to shrink.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 2, 2018 12:51:30 PM | 177

@156 lozion.. thanks for the twitter feed from that fellow.. it is worth it for others to read it..

@157 debs... yes - got it.

@164 JS.. lozion doesn't agree with ninel fwiw.. go back and read @96 post for a better insight..

@171 somebody.. i agree with you.

@psychohistorian... read @157 debs comment.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Jan 2, 2018 1:05:33 PM | 178

US/Israel doesn't seem to like Islamo/capitalists.....let's see if they prefer Islamo/communists.

I guess it all depends on who supplies missiles to Hizbullah.

Posted by: dh | Jan 2, 2018 1:16:39 PM | 179

This politico article sounds like the US coordination with Iran hardliners is intentional.

Let's see who has been cheating whom.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 2, 2018 1:27:46 PM | 180

Over the years, I have interacted with many on the 'left' but having experienced the activities of communists in particular here in North America and seen what they can do across Europe, my contempt for many of these people only grows. Yes, they seem to be on the side of the people, but never clear in their analysis and never decisive in their actions and always but always ready to compromise. A good book by Sturmthaul on Communist parties (CP) gives an idea of just how treacherous the CPs can be even at decisive moments for the working class. And no where has the CP really had good analyses of the situation under their feet. Certainly this has always been the case in Canada and US.

Here are a few comments on the statements released by Iranian CPs on the recent protests. The first thing that strikes this reader is that these statements are reactions; they are not the statements of a party that is leading anyone anywhere. In other words, the CP has provided no leadership — it is following the people, it has nothing to offer them but slogans and misconceptions about what is going on.

Second, there is no analysis, just a description of the situation, of the anger of the people, on the most superficial level. The Party clearly has not been on top of the situation within Iran or in the ME, especially on the question of Iran’s involvement in Iraq and Syria and the impact on Iran. No class analysis, no power analysis, no revolutionary potential analysis. Just description of what is now going on, using cliche-ridden phrases.

Third, there is no plan of action — now that the people have risen up, the CP has nothing to give them in the way of leadership; there are just vague appeals to ‘mobilize' the masses, and continue the demonstrations. Again, no idea of where this will lead or what the consequences of a vicious crack-down will be on the people — more imprisoned, tortured, killed, more hunger, more poverty, more defeat. This is an irresponsible non-position for a so-called people’s party.

Fourth, the appeal to do again what the people did once before — bring down the Shah — is actually what led to this situation, that is, the regime of mulahs. The CP before had no idea of what to do if the Shah fell, and still has no idea about just what to do. No idea about seizing power. Not even a political platform of reform to put forward.

Fifth, to make matters worse, the statements have a reference or two to bourgeois 'HUMAN' Rights; this will give you an idea of the level of thinking that is in the Party. An appeal to human rights! (For a good critique of this concept, read Gary Teeple's 'The Riddle of Human Rights'). Moreover, an appeal to be peaceful and not commit violence or destruction. What kind of party is this? Since when does the anger of a people force them to rise up in massive demonstrations and not also bring violence? An appeal for non-violence is the regime talking, it is the pathetic voice of the committed liberal democrat. Read Kant on ‘what is the enlightenment’ to get an idea of just how much this is a mere pandering to power.

OK — I have said enough. The use of a people’s misery and demands for change as if the user, a political party, represents their interests is mere opportunism. And this from a party that has suffered unusually harsh treatment at the hands of the Americans and clerical regime. So limited. I have shared these comments with the site managers of the WCPI, Tudeh and a few other smaller, exile Iranian CPs. Of course, I don't expect any sympathetic ears, not from them or some of you. The withering away of the left, and communists in particular, I'm afraid to say, has been its own doing, and can't be blamed on outside forces.

Posted by: ninel | Jan 2, 2018 1:43:33 PM | 181

@80 Posted by: ninel
"This country you call 'Iran' is..."

Doesn't everybody call it 'Iran?'

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jan 2, 2018 2:14:43 PM | 182

Re 185 above
Reference should be @89 (not @80)

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jan 2, 2018 2:16:03 PM | 183

@127 y 128 terry gilgamesh,

For some relax for all....and may be you could enjoy this topical conversation among "alt-righters":

Pepe market crash ruins lives in Israel

Posted by: elsi | Jan 2, 2018 3:27:13 PM | 184

Daniel @154

Take either the image itself or the image link and load it in the search box here: https://www.tineye.com It will bring up all the postings of the image it has, and you then use the menu to list them from "oldest".

It doesn't always work, but usually works on images from news articles and older general internet uploads. I have taken to checking images on these kinds of issues because there's been so much image fraud online by people wishing to mislead the public. I've fallen victim to these tricks a few times since, for instance, Google Images has gotten even more lax about its returns on search terms. Even when you specify the date and use words that clearly delineate what yer after, you get a BUNCH of completely off the mark images. So you go to the page where they were found and MAYBE find them and their captions or surrounding prose and sometimes they line up with your search and sometimes they don't.

Back in 2009 I just about drove myself to the nut house to wade through all the disinformation and propaganda and special interest shills, etc. "The Twitter Revolution"... pfeh... the color revolution fomenters' planned Twitter fraud against the world, more like, and the Neda thing was HORRIFIC and close scrutiny would show any person of good will that it was specifically designed and carried out to further convince the world that Iran is run by monsters.

The people who do this stuff for a living -- deceive the public into thinking their belligerence is justified -- are organized and funded through NGOs... little galaxies of them, shunting donations from one to another until the original source is sufficiently buried. And those people mean to have Iran back under their control. They don't care how many humans suffer and die while they go about it.

Only the truth will do, and so when I am trying to make sure I know it, I trace the images especially because SO many people, just out of carelessness or out of a desire to deceive, put up images that are NOT of the matter at hand.. and then people who are researching perpetuate either the mistake or the lie and the search engines get muddied to the point where we all want to rip our hair out by the roots.

Posted by: nines | Jan 2, 2018 3:38:04 PM | 185

@154

I got the new one from here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/30/iranians-rally-in-support-of-government-and-supreme-leader

Posted by: nines | Jan 2, 2018 3:47:59 PM | 186

Thanks, nines. That site will come in handy. So, the earliest date I found for that particular image was 2010, though not all the links provided actually led to that photo. But there are enough from pre-December, 2017 that it appears that it is not of contemporary origin.

Posted by: Daniel | Jan 2, 2018 5:52:49 PM | 187

Describing the failed protests after the 2009 sham election that kept Ahmadinejad in power the "defeat of the CIA color revolution attempt in 2009" is a complete piece of crap. If anything, Obama was too timid in response to legitimate protests that the Guardian Council put their thumb on the electoral results.

Posted by: WarrenPeese | Jan 3, 2018 8:18:38 AM | 188

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