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December 15, 2017

Haley Fails To Make Case About Yemeni Missiles - Ignores Saudi War Crimes

Yesterday the U.S. ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley went to the Defense Intelligence Agency for a little show. She claimed to expose Iran as an illegal source of weapons used by Yemeni forces in their fight against Saudi aggressors.

It reminded of the times when Vice President Dick Cheney visited the CIA to tell its analysts what they were supposed to write about "Saddam's weapons of mass destruction".

Haley covered the advice she was giving to the DIA as a press conference. Her props were alleged missile parts recovered somewhere at some unknown time. She claimed that these were provided by the Saudis and the UAE and showed debris of missiles fired from Yemen. Haley further claimed that Iran had delivered such missiles to Yemen in breach of UN resolution 2231 that restricts such transfers.

There are several possible explanations of where the Houthi and their then allied Yemeni army might have acquired such missiles. But even if one accepts that Iran delivered these, it is unknown when such deliveries might have taken place. It could have happened years before the UN resolution restricted such deliveries. Haley's show proved nothing with regards to any breach.

Haley claimed that the UN had found that the missile debris on display was from an Iranian Qiam missile. But the UN has made no such findings. It only said that the debris and Qiam missiles "had similar structural and manufacturing features". The Iranian Qiam missile ..

.. is a short-range ballistic missile designed and built by Iran. It was developed from the Iranian Shahab-2, a licensed copy of the North Korean Hwasong-6, all of which are versions of the Soviet Scud-C missile.

There are many variants of the Soviet Scud family (A, B, C) produced in various countries and they naturally all have "similar structural and manufacturing features".

The Yemeni military bought Soviet Scuds (pdf) and Scuds were used in earlier conflicts between north and south Yemen. The Yemeni military also bought North Korean Hwasong 5 and likely also Hwasong 6 missiles directly from North Korea. The Yemeni army has over 30 years of experience with such missiles and qualified personal to modify these if needed.

Haley simply lied about the UN findings. They do not say what she claims. Indeed the UN panel acknowledged that the similarities found do not prove the origin:

[T]he panel said it “as yet has no evidence as to the identity of the broker or supplier” of the missiles, ..

Haley pointed to one alleged part of the missile debris that bore a logo of an Iranian company. She neglected to point out that the UN panel also found U.S. made hardware as part of the missiles. Neither proves where the missile came from.

The Zionist lobby wants the U.S. to wage war on Iran and Nikki Haley is in their pocket. The extremely rich, ultraright Zionist Sheldon Adelson was the biggest sponsor of her political career.

Haley neglected to point out that Yemeni missiles have killed no one in Saudi Arabia while Saudi Arabia has killed then-thousands of Yemeni civilians with U.S. provide bombs and missiles. It is Saudi Arabia that is blockading Yemen and causing a very large famine. The Saudis recently claimed that they has lifted the blockade but even USAID says that there is no sign that the blockade has changed. Hundreds of people in Yemen are dying each day for lack of food and simple medicine.

In view of such a catastrophe one might even hope that Iran provides hundreds of missiles to Yemen to push the Saudis into ending their genocidal policies.

Haley's show did not go down well. She convinced the Saudis of course but neither U.S. media nor European governments accepted her show. As the NY Times correctly writes:

.. the evidence she showcased at Joint Base Anacostia-Bolling — ... — fell short of proving her claims.

Reuters remarked:

The United States acknowledged it could not say precisely when the weapons were transferred to the Houthis, and, in some cases, could not say when they were used. There was no immediate way to independently verify where the weapons were made or employed.

The Trump administration is looking for reasons to push more sanctions on Iran. It especially wants the EU to take part in a renewed sanction regime. A "ballistic missile threat" might be a way to get there. France and Germany had offered the U.S. to follow its anti-Iranian course with regards to ballistic missiles if it keeps busting the nuclear agreement with Iran off the table.

Haley's stunt shows that this was an extremely stupid move. If one makes an offer to the U.S. that one will follow policy A when B is proven, the U.S. will simply lie and fabricate evidence to claim that B is there. 

Posted by b on December 15, 2017 at 02:30 PM | Permalink

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When will the Europeans learn to tell the US to shove it? Never. They're an embarrassment to themselves and they refuse to admit it.

Posted by: Quentin | Dec 15, 2017 3:07:22 PM | 1

Nikki Haley has been gradually losing her credibility as this is not the first he shouts her claims with 'irrefutable' proofs that turn like empty balloons. They seem as irrefutable as Netanyahu's proofs that Iran was very close to get nuclear weapons.
She is a noisy amateur, and she will not last in this job.

Posted by: virgile | Dec 15, 2017 3:10:04 PM | 2

@1 Yes, there are a very large number of cowards in this world. Yellow through and through. The US is only big, tough and brave when punching up a much less capable small country. They are much less inclined to openly militarily confront a larger power. NK knows this. Maybe the EU needs to collectively push back ?? The problem there is that a few of the EU are extremely rusted-on. They will be unable to act collectively against the US until the US is given a comeuppance somewhere else in the world - like the Middle East or Asia.

Posted by: imoverit | Dec 15, 2017 3:13:07 PM | 3

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-arms/in-first-u-s-presents-its-evidence-of-iran-weaponry-from-yemen-idUSKBN1E82J6


The Pentagon cited corporate logos it said matched those of Iranian defense firms on jet vanes that help steer the missile’s engine and on the circuit board helping drive its guidance system. It also said the missile’s unique valve-design was only found in Iran.

If only we had a Bellingcat who could comment on this last claim regarding the valve-design, just joking, Bellingcat is a tool. I consider it a secondary issue if ONE medium range missile was of Iranian origin but I am simply curious if anyone could comment on this one technical claim by our lying Pentagon. IMO this is the only argument that even sounds good.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Dec 15, 2017 3:15:21 PM | 4

thanks b.. i agree with all you state here and am happy someone is saying it... i agree with @2 virgile as well.. she is an empty windbag that is an embarrassment to the usa, not that they care..

i like what you said here - "Haley neglected to point out that Yemeni missiles have killed no one in Saudi Arabia while Saudi Arabia has killed thousands of Yemeni civilians with U.S. providing bombs and missiles." the usa continues in it's role as numero uno warmonger nation on the planet... she is another lemming willing to go over the cliff for israel.. pathetic, but true...

Posted by: james | Dec 15, 2017 3:16:32 PM | 5

If Tillerson resigns out of frustration, or is forced out, this AIPAC stooge, neocon twat, apparently the favorite to take the job -- what a f*cked-up mess this Trump Administration is!

Posted by: chet380 | Dec 15, 2017 3:20:41 PM | 6

aaaah, feels soo good! I feel like a smoker ending a period of weed deprivation, now back to one favorite passtime, picking nits:

The extremely rich, ultraright Zionist Sheldon Adelson

IMHO, Mr. Adelson is more wrong than right, so it is safer to write

"Perhaps the richest of Zionist, extreme right wing Sheldon Adelson"

and leave it to readers to conclude that the richest among the Zionist is quite quite rich, it is not like the richest lobsterman of Maine.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 15, 2017 3:26:07 PM | 7

I must confess I pity Nikki Haley: every time she opens her mouth, she demonstrates how far out of her depth she is as US ambassador to the UN. I watched a short Youtube video of her making a speech in that capacity: she would look up and her gaze would hunt around the room as if looking for approval from someone, anyone.

From the time she became South Carolina governor, Haley has led a very charmed life. That good luck eventually will run out from constant misuse on her part.

From South Carolina Democratic Party website:
Nikki Haley’s Record: Gross Incompetence, Cover-Ups, & No Accountability

From Chris Haire (CharlestonCityPaper.com):
Nikki Haley is a certified slack-ass accountant

Posted by: Jen | Dec 15, 2017 3:31:30 PM | 8

It seems that the Empire has the solidity of a contraption put together with duct tape and baling wire. With the least glib leader of the Western world in memory, it dawns on some Western states that at least formally they are not vassals.

Surely, Canada is not among them, and most suffer anxiety attacks after each small independent gesture, but still, the trend is there.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 15, 2017 3:32:17 PM | 9

The US administration is trying very hard to sell a war with Iran or anyone else they can provoke into an escalation of killings.

This is like Vampire madness where they have to have another war to feed the beast and keep the public as zombies.

Haley is a veteran liar like her boss.

Is the swamp drained yet?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 15, 2017 3:33:00 PM | 10

@9 piotr.. canada isn't far behind in the madness... with trudeau and freeland at the wheel the same kind of stupidity is on display..

Posted by: james | Dec 15, 2017 3:41:32 PM | 11

So we now have ZH saying the same this as b about the LIES about where armament comes from

Weapons Went From The CIA To ISIS In Less Than Two Months

So if/when they restrict access to MoA are they going to do the same for ZH or just infiltrate the staff and editors?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 15, 2017 3:47:42 PM | 12

I can never get over how the UN is now a platform dedicated to 24/7 war-creation (it's not even "mongering" anymore). When I grew up it was at least notionally dedicated to modestly peaceful resolutions and mediations.

Pre US election I had a conversation with one of my rabid, Obama/Hillary-supporting inlaws (the narrow, lead-in contention was that Obama hadn't started any new wars). Long story short, my concluding observation/comment was how sad I was that people who would have been strenuously opposed to war 20 years ago, are now the most ardent acquiesce-ers and/or supporters of it. The manipulation is total and they don't even see it in themselves. It's just very bizarre and disheartening.

Posted by: ritzl | Dec 15, 2017 4:00:15 PM | 13

Haley couldn't make the case for lunacy in a mental asylum

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 15, 2017 4:07:17 PM | 14

Haley couldn't make the case for lunacy in a mental asylum

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 15, 2017 4:14:30 PM | 15

Sooo,,, it's bad for Iran to sell missiles to Yemen but perfectly okay for the US to sell weapons to the Saudi's?

Man, my hypocrisy needle is in the red!

Posted by: Ken | Dec 15, 2017 4:26:39 PM | 16

It requires a great effort of propaganda - getting at us every day for weeks - in order to launch an attack on Iran. It hasn't happened, so I presume we're not in danger now.

Iran is a "bridge too far", as the Brits said about Arnhem. The US can destroy most of Iran's resistance, but not all. That idea is already well implanted among the Israeli military, but not with Netanyahu. No-one in Israel wants a continuing war, which is in prospect.

Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 15, 2017 4:34:45 PM | 17

Nikki Haley talking about concrete proof irrefutable evidence pointing to Iran ... saying: “The evidence is undeniable” ... **A MUST SEE PROOF**

meanwhile the Defense Department analysts are not even sure how this evidence proves anything ....

Nikki Haley's, and thereby the US', boundless hypocrisy puppet-show spectre on display in front of the world to witness, but what has she truly accomplished to display such bravado--gusto if you will...?

A riposte, however, by the Iranian ambassador to the UK denounced allegations:

"Nikki Haley should also explain that how such large number of weapons could
have been entered into Yemen territory while it is under a full blockade with
all its airports and seaports closed under strict control preventing even the
entry of food and medicine into the country."

But she, and her Zionist puppet masters would have the world turn its collective head away from the real crisis in Yemen *warnining graphic1* and *warning graphic2* and this by western supplied weapons

Posted by: Tacitus | Dec 15, 2017 4:40:14 PM | 18

Houthi/Yemeni missiles fired into Saudi have indeed caused casualties as reported by South Front.

Tom at ICH has republished a BuzzFeed article providing evidence of almost direct arms transfers from US Army stocks to Daesh. A photo shows an anti-tank missile recovered from Daesh in Feb 2016 that was shipped to US Army in Dec 2015. A very large number of similar reports are all over social media and have been for several years.

It's long past time to call the Outlaw US Empire what it truly is--an Ogre. It's truly a shame pics cannot be posted as the one at the link is close to perfect.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 15, 2017 4:48:10 PM | 19

The casino king's sponsorship of Nimrata's otherwise inexplicable rise to power provides clarity. Americans cannot continue to leave their fate to such poor specimens of the human species. It would be suicidal to do so.

Posted by: CDWaller | Dec 15, 2017 5:05:03 PM | 20

In yesterday's news was the recently released documents proving that the NATO countries did indeed promise Gorbachev that they would not expand "one inch" eastward. Of course, they did expand to some 15 countries east of Germany.

So today, the BBC has articles about what a threat to NATO Russia is, and how NATO's expansion is really all about countering some imaginary Russian aggression. Then, to top it off, they had a detailed article with lots of graphics about how Russia could cut the undersea communications cables, thereby destroying the economies of the poor, West.

Iran is the last of the famous "seven countries in five years" General Wesley Clark told us were planned for destruction in September, 2001. But Russia and China have been the "big prizes" for a very long time.

Posted by: Daniel | Dec 15, 2017 5:12:23 PM | 21

Nikki Haley...interesting name. it rather sounds as a porn star than a diplomat. I this case I have more respect to former than to later.

On serious note....there is a term and idea of "native informant". Nimrata (Nikki) Randhawa born Sikh and now Methodist, she doesn't fall in that category but she is probably worst than the Native Informant. While it is ok in the US to change name and religion (cultural assimilation) for "them" she always will be an Indian whore, which is paradoxically true but for wrong reason.

She is a whore because of its character not because of its race.

Posted by: Partisan | Dec 15, 2017 5:18:25 PM | 22

Needlessly to say "success story" would be impossible in case that she kept her native religion and name in country of the Orange dotard.

Posted by: Partisan | Dec 15, 2017 5:25:54 PM | 23

Not really OT: At this Twitter feed, there are currently 3 vids at top; and while all are good, it's the third that's a triumph of the imagination.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 15, 2017 6:06:28 PM | 24

Another possibility explaining the origin of the missile parts: "Iran used ballistic missile salvo against #ISIS in #DeirEzzor #June2017... Three Zulfiqar launch were recorded on TV, other 3 - Qiam1 or Shahab3 were launched from another site.... It seems the ISIS feeding saudis whit[sic] Iranian missile parts ,or the US salvaged it"

I think the above explanation to be the most logical. Iran should say, "Yeah, we made that missile and shot it at Daesh targets in Deir Ezzor back in June. Just one more piece of evidence proving collusion between The Great Satan and its offspring Daesh."

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 15, 2017 6:19:06 PM | 25

Well if we follow the usual playbook, we will in the coming weeks see a radical event , with lots o'dead, Saudies or other expendables, and our favorite Hindu will with froth at the mouth present evidence (supported by Colin Powel,ehh wait) that it was the Iranians witcollusion of the Russians (they collude with anyone ATM :)) Chinese, NK, Guinea Bissau, Tonga, Micronesia and not to forget Greenland and other threats to US security. US will then demand the right to strike back with limited response (Complete destruction of infrastructure) to spare the civil population (Its own agents) on humanitarian grounds (we need the airports!)
Standard MO for the US, 75 % of US POP could not care less... I hope they get a severe awakening one day..

Posted by: Den lille Abe | Dec 15, 2017 7:07:14 PM | 26

aside from b's headline which says it all, i like @16 ken comment which is what i was saying in a longer drawn out manner!

Posted by: james | Dec 15, 2017 7:07:17 PM | 27

@karlorf1

It does not matter with missile parts, they do not prove anything, the same ploy has been tried in Syria. I mean a SCUD, I could build one in a garage, except the fuel (no intention of accidentally blowing up)

Posted by: Den lille Abe | Dec 15, 2017 7:11:12 PM | 28

@25 Good point. The question is how do we know that the incriminating missile parts were actually recovered from the ground in Saudi Arabia?

As karlof1 correctly points out, there is another place where those parts could have been sourced: the Syrian battlefield.

It doesn't even have to be everything that was on display in that Haley show-and-tell: the Saudis could simply throw some Iranian-built missile parts scavenged from the Syrian battlefield into the debris of a Yemeni-fired Scud rocket = instant "evidence" of Iranian wrongdoing.

How difficult would that be?

My guess would be: not difficult at all. A bit thrown in here, a part tossed in there, and a careful removal of any other debris that would contradict the story, then ship the lot to the DIA.

Not saying they did. Not saying they didn't.
But I am saying that this possibility can't be discounted.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 15, 2017 7:23:04 PM | 29

@28 Nah, you miss the point. It is indisputable that the Yemenis fired a rocket into Saudi Arabia with the intention of smacking the airport, and damn-near succeeded.

The question is what type of missile that was: a Scud that the Yemenis already had before this war began, or an Iranian-build Scud-clone that had to be smuggled into the country?

karlof1's point is that it could have been the former, but the Saudi's could have then doctored the debris to falsely indicate that it was the latter.

It sounds far-fetched until you realise that the Saudis can obtain battered Iranian-built missile parts by simply asking ISIS to retrieve those incriminating parts from the Syrian battlefield.

Think about it: it would be much easier for the Saudis to smuggle some charred and battered missile parts OUT of Syria than it would be for the Iranians to smuggle an entire Scud-sized rocket INTO Yemen.


Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 15, 2017 7:30:56 PM | 30

@30 yeah right.. the bigger point i believe is that saudi arabia has been murdering innocent people in yemen with usa/uk made weapons.. and the usa/uk could give a fuck... that is called being hypocritical - something this buffoon haley excels at..

Posted by: james | Dec 15, 2017 7:44:48 PM | 31

#22 (so-called) Partisan.

Really. Few or none here admire Nikki Haley. No reason to go full misogyny and call her a whore, whatever cultural acclimation you despise. That is unwise.
Some of my best friends are whores or aspire to be. Maybe I do too.
She ain't. But you are a turd.
Hal C

Posted by: Hal C | Dec 15, 2017 7:52:51 PM | 32

Piotr Berman @ 9: Gosh, have you seen the news that Canada is going to start selling small arms to Ukraine?

I'm beginning to wish the real Justin Bieber had been elected Prime Minister of Canada, not Justin Bieber Turdeau.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 15, 2017 8:07:47 PM | 33

Remember Mai Lai Colon Powell and the vials. Lots of credibility he had. Much like Nikki.

Posted by: fast freddy | Dec 15, 2017 8:09:33 PM | 34

Likely from Syria, June attack by Iran against ISIS.

Unlikely shipped to Houthis. How would they get missiles to Houthis? They can't get a ship with food and medical aid to Yemen.

Or, it could be from Iran to the Houthis by some ratline or magic carpet??

The most logical source is Syria impact zone from June.

If the US wanted to prove it was Iranian, there would be video and photos on site at Saudi impact location. UN, SA and US don't present any proof of chain of custody from impact to Haley.

Just trust them, believe them. The US never lies . . . Ha!

All US sources seem to indicate only one Qiam missile was in the salvo fired into Syria.

Just one? And then the other one given to the Houthis?
Seems strange.

Posted by: Red Ryder | Dec 15, 2017 8:43:40 PM | 35

And, no matter the issue, nothing changes until the reserve world currency issue is solved.

The U$A corporate empire will last as long as the world currency is in dollars...

Posted by: ben | Dec 15, 2017 10:17:36 PM | 36

Technically OT: Thanks to The Saker for parsing the final joint statement from the OIC confab which I reproduce below; all emphasis is his:

"Reject and condemn in the strongest terms the unilateral decision by the President of the United States America recognizing Al-Quds as the so-called capital of Israel, the occupying Power; reject it as null and void legally, and consider it an attack on the historical, legal, natural and national rights of the Palestinian people, a deliberate undermining of all peace efforts, an impetus to extremism and terrorism, and a threat to international peace and security (…) Reaffirm the centrality of the Cause of Palestine and Al-Quds Al-Sharif to the Muslim Ummah (…) Consider that this dangerous declaration, which aims to change the legal status of the City of Al-Quds Al-Sharif, is null and void and lacks any legitimacy, as being a serious violation of the international law, and the Fourth Geneva Convention in particular, and all relevant resolutions of international legitimacy, particularly the UN Security Council resolutions No. 478 (1980) and 2334 (2016) (…) Hold the US Administration fully liable for all the consequences of not retracting from this illegal decision; and regard it as an announcement of the US Administration’s withdrawal from its role as sponsor of peace and its realization among all stakeholders and an encouragement of Israel, the occupying Power, to continue its policy of colonialism, settlement, apartheid and the ethnic cleansing it has been practicing in the occupied Palestinian territory in 1967, and in the City of Al-Quds Al-Sharif at its core; (…) Declare East Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Palestine and invite all countries to recognize the State of Palestine and East Jerusalem as its occupied capital."

His entire article on the conference's outcome is worth reading. Yes, it was signed by the representatives of all 57 member states--Russia and others sent observers--clearly putting Saudi and Jordan in very embarrassing positions, although I like Saker's characterization too.

So, which is more important: Haley's BS presentation or the OIC conference outcome? Guess which got all sorts of media coverage and which one didn't.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 15, 2017 10:22:21 PM | 37

Iran is joining the EAEU or Eurasian Economic Union. This is s big deal. Good for them.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-15/iran-joins-eaeu-45-years-us-foreign-policy-down-drain

Haley the Sikh will go insane. South Carolina GOP has among the worst NeoCons. They are as bad as Democrats. The USA has a one party system devoted to the elites, endless war, MIC, Deep State, bankers and the kleptocracy that runs Amerika. Senators get into office middle class and retire 45 years later with a networth in the hundreds of millions. The USSA is totally corrupt.

Posted by: Boyo | Dec 15, 2017 10:54:40 PM | 38

It's entertaining, really, this baseless US flailing about in an attempt to get revenge against Russia and Iran for the US's latest military defeat in Syria. The usual US puppets in Europe are getting tired of it because it is, and has been, a serious hit on their economy.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 15, 2017 11:17:08 PM | 39

When I wrote "Canada is not among them", I mean, not among the countries that show vestigial (if you are pessimistic) or budding (if you are optimistic) signs of independence from USA. Sorry for not being clear.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 16, 2017 12:05:17 AM | 40

@31 Oh, sure, I agree. The hypocrisy is nauseating.

But pointing out - correctly - that the US leadership are being nauseatingly hypocritical doesn't actually do anything to derail their warmongering. That's a criticism that they'll have no problem shrugging off because exceptional 'n' indispensable 'n' all.

But pointing out that their supposed "proof" isn't exactly the slam-dunk that they claim it to be does something else entirely - it takes a casus belli away from them and leaves them unable to argue that This Appalling Behaviour Means That Iran Deserves What's Coming Their Way!!!!!

They are left in the position of claiming that they *must* smack Iran because.... errr... well.... because.... they *want* to smack Iran.

And that's a much harder sell, even for an exceptional and even for a dumbed-down population.


Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 16, 2017 12:07:03 AM | 41

The US tends to pick swivel-headed fools as its ambassador to the UN. Let's remember some of the recent classics: Samantha Power, Susan Rice, John Bolton, John Negroponte, and the list keeps going. Nikki Haley fits in well in terms of precedent, and her impact will hopefully be even less than her ungifted predecessors.

Posted by: Markopasha | Dec 16, 2017 12:46:37 AM | 42

Or, [alleged Iranian missile] could be from Iran to the Houthis by some ratline or magic carpet??

Posted by: Red Ryder | Dec 15, 2017 8:43:40 PM | 35

If anyone could produce a magic carpet, it would be Iran. Traditional carpet weaving is very much alive. Persian magic carpets were reported in literature. However, the same literature, Tales of 1001 nights, suggests other possibilities as well. Packing a missile together with a jinn into a jar, or a lamp. Smuggling such small items would be easy.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 16, 2017 1:01:48 AM | 43

"Hundreds of people in Yemen are dying each day"?

That's pretty intense. Where's the link on that one?

Posted by: just me | Dec 16, 2017 1:46:38 AM | 44

#32

your so-called comment speak for itself.

Coming from 300+ million of "deranged dotards" nation?

Just asking.

Posted by: Partisan | Dec 16, 2017 2:05:05 AM | 45

Orange or otherwise.

Posted by: Partisan | Dec 16, 2017 2:06:17 AM | 46

'Merica! Fuck Yeah! Comin again to save the muthafukn day yeah!
'Merica! Fuck Yeah! Freedom is the only way yeah!

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 16, 2017 5:41:00 AM | 47


Proving statements of any ambassador to the UN wrong should be a priority to everyone.

Posted by: fudmier | Dec 16, 2017 9:31:40 AM | 48

Very interesting statements of skepticism by the Europeans and the U.N. I see wording like, 'we don't know when these parts arrived or where they are from'. I am getting a whiff that even they suspect the possibility as some suggest that the Saudis planted Iranian parts in with the debris.

The Saudis certainly could have gotten debris from the Iranian missile attack on Deir Ezzor from their head chopper buddies. ISIS might have accidentally collected a U.S. part and thrown it into the mix,

"a set of carbon fiber compressed air bottles that circulate liquid jet fuel in the missile — manufactured in the United States, according to the panel’s report."

If the Saudis did this and got caught, it would make my year. Just once I'd like to see the good guys win a battle in the Information War, by good guys, I mean anyone who tells the truth.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Dec 16, 2017 9:43:59 AM | 49

The description on the U.S. part came from the Foreign Policy Report that B posted, I recommend reading it, it is very detailed.

The Borg explanation is that Iran has a network of spies that smuggles tech from the four corners of the U.S. which is true to some extent. However, the article points out that Iran manufactures all of the parts of their missile and even the Harpie Haley says that this missile has not been seen anywhere else. So maybe this is evidence that this is an old missile or maybe the manufacturer would confirm that it had only sold this part to the U.S. defense industry. This would add fuel to the idea that the Saudi chain of custody is dubious.

Hey, why not let the Iranians examine the missile? I bet they could figure out a lot of things with their expertise.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Dec 16, 2017 9:50:57 AM | 50

Another excellent piece by b. Haley, as with previous US reps at the UN, is unfit and "ideologically rigid" (from quote below) versus what should be a UN rep's consideration of conflict resolution and world peace.

Again Trump's shallowness shows--through Haley, Kushner, MbS, and his own stupid dance related to Tillerson and North Korea. Today I read he has again contradicted Tillerson.

It's discouraging that rational statements as with b's approach, and the following, typically generate forum comments (elsewhere) loaded with a hysteria of fixated minds re Trump-support or Trump-opposition. As contrast, many thanks to b and MofA commenters for working against this sort of hysterical negativity.

"The most inexplicable part of Haley’s charade is her insistence on talking about Iran rather than talking to Iran. The only thing stopping her from sitting down one on one with her Iranian counterpart at the UN to respectfully discuss these matters is her own shortsighted ideological rigidity. Frankly, the track record is clear. Talking about Iran produced more missiles under the Bush administration. Talking to Iran eventually produced compromises on missiles under the Obama administration. Haley should spend less time using the UN ambassadorship to boost her domestic political ambitions, and more time actually conducting diplomacy on behalf of the United States."

http://lobelog.com/nikki-haley-is-not-good-at-foreign-policy/?utm_source=Reza%2BMarashi%2BEmail%2BList&utm_campaign=577b4ec7d9-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_12_15&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c15732f648-577b4ec7d9-256597429

Posted by: Sid2 | Dec 16, 2017 2:30:09 PM | 51

vv

Posted by: Stumpee | Dec 16, 2017 2:39:37 PM | 52

sorry, thought I had been blocked.

Posted by: Stumpee | Dec 16, 2017 2:40:11 PM | 53

Sid2 @ 51: Thanks for linking to Reza Marashi's article - it was very interesting to read. Marashi has a flair for understating the obvious. "Nikki Haley is not good at foreign policy" indeed!

Posted by: Jen | Dec 16, 2017 3:09:05 PM | 54

@41 yeah right... i have noticed that pointing out details that run contrary to the usa neo con game plan does very little to nothing as well.. they smacked iraq in spite of all the lies they fabricated that were debunked.. the usa neo con crowd have no shame, morals or anything approaching rationality... and the western msm is happy to carry their water too!

@48 fudmier.. i would go further and show how usa/uk weapons are what saudi arabia are using to murder innocent yemeni - not, that this info would ever reach that isolated island called the western msm... and that is the conundrum.. the propaganda is all one sided for a reason...

@49 cc... false flags is all they have.. unfortunately, that is all they sell in the same western msm too... sounds like some of the poodles are growing tired of it all.. that would be a switch..

@51 sid2... ditto jens comment to you.. that is a good article to read on this topic...thanks..

Posted by: james | Dec 16, 2017 5:19:33 PM | 55

@51

But, the nice lady on NPR told me that she was a great politician!

Posted by: Forest | Dec 16, 2017 6:04:12 PM | 56

Why would anyone here think Nikki Haley, or any other of the sycophants that enable the empire, have anything that even resembles autonomy? The script was written yrs. ago by the pipers that pick and choose the tune they dance to. Even D. Trump..

Posted by: ben | Dec 16, 2017 8:05:05 PM | 57

From TRNN:

"US Ambassador Nikki Halley's speech on alleged Iranian violations was even less convincing than Colin Powell's fraudulent UN presentation on Iraqi WMDs, says Trita Parsi"

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:20719:US-Strikes-Out-with-New-War-Mongering-on-Iran

Posted by: ben | Dec 16, 2017 8:08:49 PM | 58

@ALL
With seemingly mountains of evidence anyone here have any thoughts as to why Russia doesn't just call israel and the house of saud out on the collusion with politico's in the states?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Dec 16, 2017 10:46:02 PM | 59

@ 59: Just a guess, but probably $$$$$$$.

Posted by: ben | Dec 17, 2017 12:31:55 AM | 60

@51, @54, @55, @56:

This link that you all have referenced was First provided by @18 in the 'truly accomplished' link, if you have read all of those rich links in the first place.. So I congratulate @18.

Posted by: JS | Dec 17, 2017 2:54:32 AM | 61

OK well I checked the generally corrupt Wikipedia Scriptures for entries about U.S. Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, and Vice President Mike Pence. An interesting pattern emerged.

Nikki Haley, managed to get a B.A. degree in accounting from some small-time college, but was not able to get certified as a CPA. She does the books for her own business, but is always getting fined for misreporting on it's tax returns and failing to pay on time. Her family tax problems are similar. By dint of abject political prostitution she managed to be elected Governor of South Carolina, but that is about all she has in the way of qualifications and experience.

Jeff Sessions is a lawyer who somehow became a U.S. Senator from Alabama.

Mike Pence somehow became a U.S. Representative, and then the Governor of Indiana. Very many Indianans ("Hoosiers") were extremely relieved when Trump got him out of the governorship by selecting him to be the Vice President.

All of these people are (at least ostensibly) complete neocons. And also, all of them are bumbling idiots. So why did Trump appoint them? Trump presumably was not a neocon at all, but he was forced by the shadow government pirates to play the neocon roll. Trump is certainly not known for hiring bumbling idiots, so why did he appoint them?

Posted by: blues | Dec 17, 2017 2:22:16 PM | 64

@64 blues

Why did Trump pick them? Maybe he too is a bumbling idiot? Maybe a little bird told him to pick them? Maybe he thought they would help him get elected?

It doesn't really matter. A) he is a megalomaniac with only his own interests in mind who lies to his idiot "base" shamelessly or B) he's a weak ass motherfucker who does not have what it takes to resist the "deep state" (global capital and American imperialists).

Either way he is fraud, a charlatan and a huckster who is working with a team of hard-right fanatics to screw the poor and working class and enrich himself and his rich friends. Oh and he is a committed Zionist war monger.

FORGET TRUMP for fuck's sake. He is a fraud...how do you not see this? It's been a year....what you see is what you get.

Anyone who is looking for a hero or a saviour from the wealthy elite to save the world from evil is going to be very very disappointed. Grab a brain, buddy, and stop making excuses for that piece of shit.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Dec 18, 2017 12:22:27 AM | 65

=>> Temporarily Sane | Dec 18, 2017 12:22:27 AM | 65

You are not making much sense. Trump may suffer a bit of attention deficit, but he is certainly not an idiot. I have no idea what his actual political orientation might be. I was just suggesting a theory. All I know is there is a hell of a lot of strangeness going on in D.C. I don't think any of us knows what's really going on. Except of course the Empire is dying.

Posted by: blues | Dec 18, 2017 3:37:01 AM | 66

Yep. I read about the Cheney visits to the CIA to find sympathetic ears for his push for the Iraqi WMD story at the History Commons website. Haley does not have any more of a smoking gun than Cheney did. It's a lot of throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. It doesn't look like our myopic media decided to push this either.

Posted by: Curtis | Dec 18, 2017 7:31:12 PM | 67

I checked the beginning of the speech of Amb. Haley (I lasted 90 seconds, so perhaps sparks were flying later). First, positive impression: on looks she is much better than Samantha Power or Margaret Albright, the costume was OK too, and her voice is rather pleasing. With the same intonations she could record books on tape, no annoying British or Southern accent. Who knows, perhaps she even understood what she was reading. One can nitpick on the last point, like "what does it mean to understand nonsense", but any student of logic can point out that it could well make some sense: we could define a reality, or an alternative reality, in which it was all true.

For example, "Iranian fingerprints can be found in every terrorist organization in the Middle East". One has to bear in mind that American Department of State has its own ontology that include their (TM) list of terrorist organizations, and I guess, its own concept of "fingerprints".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 19, 2017 1:50:10 AM | 68

Loosely related: another feat of American diplomacy. Certain Hoekstra is "our man in the Netherlands".
A Dutch journalists ask him about Hoekstra's claim that there are "no-go zones" in Hollands where non-Muslim do not dare to go, and "politicians burned", and Hoekstra categorically denied that, calling it "fake news". Then the journalist showed a clip of Hoekstra saying exactly that in 2015 in some foreign policy panel, and commented: so you call it fake news? And Hoekstra answered: I never used the words "fake news". Forgetting what he said 2 years ago is one thing (although it was a prepared speech), but forgetting what he said two minutes ago raises "inconsistency" to a new level.

The story is making rounds across Europe (well, I know it from a Polish news portal).

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/22/politics/us-ambassador-to-netherlands-denies-own-comments/index.html

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 22, 2017 7:54:03 PM | 69

69

In other news the US intend to fight Russia with 300 troops in Norway.

"They don't like the fact that we oppose them, and we like the fact that they don't like the fact that we oppose them," Green said. "Three hundred of us, surrounded by them, we've got them right where we wanted, right? We've done this before."

This is post fact.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 22, 2017 8:19:45 PM | 70

Scott Ritter on the Haley "QIAM" missile.
Propaganda Aiming to Prove Iran Supplied Missiles Backfires

A closer look, however, reveals the opposite. Rather than the Iranian-manufactured Qiam-1 missiles Haley and the Saudi Arabian government claimed, the debris presented by Haley were of a modified Soviet-manufactured SCUD-B missile; the airframe and engine are original Soviet-made components, and many of the smaller parts on display bear Cyrillic (i.e., Russian) markings.
...

Like me, Ritter believes that this was a Soviet (or NoKo derivative) missile modified in Yemen.
The reality is that the Burkhan 2-H is neither a completely indigenously-produced Houthi missile, nor is it an Iranian-manufactured Qiam-1. Instead, the Burkhan 2-H is a Soviet SCUD-B that has been significantly modified using Iranian design concepts and critical components (the guidance and control and thrust vector actuators stand out.) The ability to carry out the necessary modifications is not beyond the technical capability of the Houthi, who have assimilated most of the Yemeni missile engineers under their control. While the design aspect of this modification program appears to be Iranian, the actual technical modifications are more akin to a similar missile modification effort undertaken by Iraq in the 1980’s to 1990’s, where SCUD-B missiles were modified to become the longer-range Al Hussein missile used during the Iran-Iraq War and the Gulf War.

Posted by: b | Dec 27, 2017 12:50:15 PM | 71

thanks b...

Posted by: james | Dec 27, 2017 3:52:56 PM | 72

the zionist whore has john boltons!

Posted by: Seby | Dec 28, 2017 2:44:57 PM | 73

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