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November 26, 2017

Weekly Review And Open Thread 2017-43

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

Nov 20 - The Saudi System And Why Its Change May Fail

Nov 21 - Russia In Syria - Military 'Failure' Sets Off Intense Diplomacy

Nov 22 - Google Does Evil

Nov 23 - Syria - This U.S. Occupation - Or "Presence" - Is Unsustainable

Nov 24 - And Then The Clown Prince Told Friedman: 'Suck On This.'

Nov 25 - Trump Wants Peace With Erdogan - The Miltary Wants To Sabotage It

Please use the comments as open thread ...

Posted by b on November 26, 2017 at 07:57 AM | Permalink

Comments

It's all unraveling, failing; but the slaughter goes on, as the hegemon is undeterred by its irrelevance.
The worm turns, and aliances shift and change, as the new world order re-aligns itself to the new, dynamic, realities, not western-centric any longer; that's done, likely forever.
Eurasia is the new view/reality of a co-operative alignment of countries, cultures, and interests; both political and economic, in a new view of the world majority.
And, they have the power to back it up...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Nov 26, 2017 8:19:35 AM | 1

Nov 21 The Russian air force plane carrying Assad to Sochi flew through Turkish air space. A first first.

https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/932919439204519938

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 26, 2017 11:15:54 AM | 3

@ Anonymous | 3

Wow, Turkey went out of its the way to send a message to US. It was a risky move on Assad's part also, I personally wouldnt have trusted Erdogan.

Posted by: Harry | Nov 26, 2017 12:18:58 PM | 4

It is a treasure to come to MoA to watch the world go round.

You go anywhere else and you are bombarded with lies, deception and propaganda about everything BUT what is really going on.

Thanking you again for the wonderful establishment you run here and for all the insightful patrons with comments.

To those of you interested in my mental health progress I will note at this time that I have had 124 neurofeedback sessions and am testing the feeling of being off medical marijuana for 5 days now......I just wish there was good pain medication between Aleve and Vicodin (low end of narco land) I had the 12 hour pain meds for years but they won't let me have them anymore.....

Neurofeedback is the real deal when it comes to restoring mental health or even just improving it. I will produce the summary i promised when I get my legs back under me a bit better.

namaste

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 26, 2017 12:46:05 PM | 5

There is a story circulating amongst right-wing social media in the US alleging that a group of marines went to Langley, Virginia i.e. to the CIA to "pay them a visit".

One person claiming this is one somewhat dubious Hal Turner, but with all the tension and infighting amongst the US elite I would not totally discount something of some nature happening. Does anybody know anything about this apparent "show of strength" by the military against the CIA?

Posted by: Muslim Dude | Nov 26, 2017 1:11:26 PM | 6

@5 psychohistorian... i 2nd your comment on moa! have you read norman doidges books? http://www.normandoidge.com/?page_id=1259 - i might have asked you before..

@6 muslim dude.. it would be nice if there was 2 separate groups in the usa vying for ultimate control of the usa.. it would explain the schizophrenic us foreign policy approach.. there has been speculation on this for some time, but no concrete details as your comment might suggest..

Posted by: james | Nov 26, 2017 1:42:57 PM | 7

When Bill Gates recently visited Saudi Arabia; American mercenaries were nearby torturing Princelings to transfer their wealth to the Crown Prince. Western rich are destroying the very institutions that protect them. Blackwater is deplorables.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Nov 26, 2017 3:21:10 PM | 8

I've been pondering how much damage the bellicose American position toward N Korea has created for the S Korean Olympics. Having this situation emerge immediately before the event was certainly not favorable to S Korea, and it makes one wonder whose interests are being served.

Posted by: Sad Canuck | Nov 26, 2017 4:26:31 PM | 9

On the subject of bogus U.S. government claims and double standards on nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs in the Middle East (and elsewhere):
consortiumnews.com/2017/11/19/how-syrian-nuke-evidence-was-faked/
A nice quote from the comments there, on Israeli nuclear weapons:

So thoroughly built-in is this double standard that when the IAEA’s General Conference in Vienna in September 2009 voted forty-nine to forty-five to adopt a binding resolution that ‘calls upon Israel to accede to the NPT and place all its nuclear facilities under comprehensive IAEA safeguards’ – in other words, that Israel’s nuclear weapons program was to be treated the same as Iran’s civilian nuclear program – the English-language media observed near total silence about the event. The only major newspaper that reported it was the next-day’s Irish Times, and nothing showed up in any major U.S. print media.

The credibility of American government claims on such issues has gone from low to zero. . .
“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. ” Dick Cheney , August 26, 2002

“Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons. “- George W. Bush , September 12, 2002

“We don’t want the smoking gun to be a nuclear cloud.” – Condoleeza Rice, Sep 8, 2002

“British intelligence has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production.” – President Bush, 2003 State of the Union Address

“Ladies and gentlemen, these are not assertions. These are facts, corroborated by many sources, some of them sources of the intelligence services of other countries.” –Secretary of State Colin Powell, testifying about Iraq’s chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons capabilities before the United Nations Security Council, Feb. 5, 2003


Posted by: nonsense factory | Nov 26, 2017 4:46:53 PM | 10

In an amazing turn of events, the ICC's chief prosecutor's seeking permission to investigate the Outlaw US Empire's many crimes committed in Afghanistan, an act prompting the neocon criminal John Bolton to attack the ICC in a WSJ op/ed:

"Fatou Bensouda, is seeking approval to investigate allegations of war crimes in Afghanistan, including possible torture by US forces and the CIA. In a statement on the ICC website, Ms Bensouda said the prosecutor’s office believed an investigation was required owing to 'the gravity of the acts committed . . . and the absence of relevant national proceedings against those who appear to be most responsible for the most serious crimes within this situation'. The move is likely to provoke anger in Washington and the Bolton’s article is just the first salvo." https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/11/26/icc-launches-probe-into-us-military-monster-turns-against-creator.html

Bolton suggests Trump ought to ignore anything the ICC says or does: "Even merely contesting its jurisdiction risks drawing the US deeper into the quicksand," said Bolton to which the article's author replied: "So, America is a special case and its military can commit crimes with impunity." As the author notes, there's ample evidence in the public domain to charge, try and convict; but instead of anger, the actual emotion being raised is fear, for there are literally thousands guilty as guilty can be for a massive catalogue of crimes committed over just since 2001, with a whole 'nother catalogue of crimes to be addressed stretching from 1945 to 2001. I just hope the "pre-trial chamber of judges" will have the courage to do the right thing and uphold the words spoken by US Justice Jackson at Nuremburg.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26, 2017 6:13:09 PM | 12

Re: festivities in Poland and "unfair criticism", Mina @10

What is a bit funny (as some say, "but not ha-ha") funny is what slogans are NOT CONTROVERSIAL. "All-Polish Youth"'s favorite is "Once with sickle, once with hammer [do something to] red rabble". Another non-criticized slogan is "Death to the enemies of the Fatherland". As long as there is no ethnic, religious or sexual prejudice, there is not reason to worry.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 26, 2017 6:31:24 PM | 13

@5 psycho.. ditto my appreciation for moa and those who comment here.. on another note - did you ever check out norman doidge's books? i posted earlier today with link for you, but the post never went thru... he has a site.. check it out if you haven't already.. i know i mentioned him to you before..

@6 muslim dude.. it would be nice to have some proof of a disconnect in the leadership of the usa.. lots of visible signs, but nothing concrete.. until then - i think the usa is divided, but nothing concrete that i have seen..

@9 nonsense factory.. that is the problem.. good signs emerge, but the western msm will be the last to let anyone know about... the hypocritical double standards continue unabated, and teh western msm will continue to be under the thumb of these same forces that want to keep a lid on it all..

@11 karlof1.. good news and i hope they make headway making people accountable... i recall clearly obama skipping out on that..

Posted by: james | Nov 26, 2017 7:27:08 PM | 14

....test....

Posted by: james | Nov 26, 2017 8:54:34 PM | 15

3rd time lucky i guess...

i wish i copied my previous posts...

@5 psycho... i agree about the value of moa and the many commenter's input being very helpful... check out norman doidges books if you haven't already..

@6 muslim dude... would be nice to have some concrete proof.. the speculation is the usa is divided, but no hard proof on that yet as i see..

@9 nonsense factory... the msm seems bought and paid for by israel.. it is hard to get around the hypocritical nature of the west on the topic you address..

@11 karlof1... obama talked about accountability and as they say - talk is cheap... still no accountability with regard to the usa's actions.. it would be nice if there was a change in that regard..

Posted by: james | Nov 26, 2017 8:58:11 PM | 16

no such luck.. weird... i guess this will go thru though...

Posted by: james | Nov 26, 2017 8:59:14 PM | 17

This site should use https. Comments and user name, and email are sent in the clear.

Posted by: bits | Nov 26, 2017 9:07:52 PM | 18

@ bits with unsolicited suggestions on web site changes.

You must be new here to be so boorish to our host. Have you sent him money to support the content that those of us that come here value over his web tools?

The NSA already knows way more about you than you would suspect and commenting here only reinforces their already formed opinion of your potential threat to humanity....grin

If you are proud of your values you seem to want to hide, share them with us so that we may learn their importance to you and potentially grow ourselves.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 26, 2017 9:35:19 PM | 19

There are other actors besides the 5eye Alphabets that snoop. Your ISP for example, or your non-anglo nation state spooks. Why make things easy for them? As an American, I am under no illusions regarding the surveillance regime directly applicable to myself.

> boorish

Very civilized. Thank you.

Posted by: bits | Nov 26, 2017 10:00:11 PM | 20

Sad Canuck @8:

No doubts on the similarities to the Brazilian Olympics. There were comments suggesting that the noise about the Norks were largely ignored by the public over there.

Posted by: Ian | Nov 26, 2017 10:10:05 PM | 21

=>> bits | Nov 26, 2017 9:07:52 PM | 15

HTTPS is just another trap. You think they don't see it all anyway?

To get HTTPS encription, you must purchase a "valid" HTTPS "certificate". But this "certificate" can be challenged and invalidated by TPTB anytime. So then your "encrypted" HTTPS website just suddenly disappears.

Great result!

Posted by: blues | Nov 26, 2017 10:29:40 PM | 22

Let's try this again.

1 - "TPTB" =/= your local non-5eye nation state; your ISP; various CDNs.

2 - No "purchase" required: https://letsencrypt.org/

3 - "disappears". Non-sense. Your browser will simply display a warning regarding the invalid cerificate in such cases.

Posted by: bits | Nov 26, 2017 10:50:06 PM | 23

@ bits who doesn't want to make things easy for "them".

Blues had the correct response but let me take it a bit further.

I am only speaking for myself but believe others who comment here feel similarly. As a techie with over 50 years of bit diddling I know how impossible it is to hide on the intertubes and I also don't hold the illusion that me and my buddies with some guns can take on the MIC. So that leaves me currently utilizing textual white noise shared here without any consideration for the potential retribution for speaking truth to power by the "system".....think of the danger b puts himself in by his truth to power postings.

It is time for all of humanity to stand up and be heard complaining about the current state of affairs. I plan to "keep standing" and encourage others to do so in their own way as well. Our host b sets a good example of contributing to the global commons and we hope he continues to help us move society forward.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 26, 2017 11:00:55 PM | 24

@ bits who seems to be ignorant of the ability to track everyone who visits that "security" site.

You are wasting your time and raising a big red flag to those that are paid to care about us deplorables actions.

Our only weapon is numbers.....massive numbers of people who are no longer zombies, are vocal about their concern about society and not going back to "sleep" any time soon.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 26, 2017 11:20:55 PM | 25

I am providing the link below from the Crooks & Liars web site because I think it does a good job of taking the NYT to the woodshed about their hate normalization.

Enough with the fawning profiles of racists and Nazis

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 26, 2017 11:49:08 PM | 26

@ me who attributed the aforementioned link to the wrong web site.....it is Dailykos which many here rightly disparage as blind Dems....but hey, they occasionally write good stuff.

Sorry

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 26, 2017 11:55:34 PM | 27

Obviously the Houthis are not playing with the same kind of money as the so-called Syrian opposition
https://twitter.com/BaFana3/status/934751319482564608

Posted by: Mina | Nov 27, 2017 3:16:59 AM | 28

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 26, 2017 11:49:08 PM | 26


NYT readers got hot under the collar because their favourite fishwrap has been glorifying Nazis? I would be a little more supportive of this backlash if I didn't know that these alleged nazi haters weren't overwhelmingly supportive of the largest concentration camp in history, the Gaza strip, but I do know that and have no time for bourgeois zionist hypocrisy.

I say let the NYT keep up its love affair with racial intolerance and ethnic cleansing, that way more people will see this conduit of imperial propaganda for what it is, a nasty self righteous boil on the arsehole of humanity that is New York.
New York City has become home for every greedy, selfish prick who considers him/herself a 'successful' capitalist. It must be encouraged to grow as the hive for sociopaths, with the NYT loudly proclaiming the honeypot. That way when push does come to shove the entire worthless bunch of murder & rape enabling scum can be removed from this world in one simple, achievable fell swoop

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 27, 2017 1:29:18 PM | 30

@5 psychohistorian

Have you tried CDB oil? A relative of mine uses that, mixed with mango juice, for pain management (arthritis), with none of the affects associated with THC. Medicinal use of cannabis is as close to a "cure all" as I have found thus far... that and Jelly Tots... you just can't go wrong with either :)

All the best in your journey... and thanks for sharing

Posted by: xLemming | Nov 27, 2017 1:41:34 PM | 31

NYT Whites Out Ukraine’s Brown Shirts

In covering the Ukraine crisis, the New York Times continues its descent into becoming little more than a propaganda organ for the U.S. State Department and the Kiev regime, again refusing to acknowledge the role of neo-Nazi militias in the civil war against ethnic Russians in the east.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Nov 27, 2017 1:51:11 PM | 32

@debs.. it is one thing to say that about the nyt, but another completely different thing to say it about the people of new york city... i totally disagree with your attitude as i read it @30... there are many great things about the people and city of new york, but the nyt is certainly not one of them..

Posted by: james | Nov 27, 2017 2:10:09 PM | 33

Film actress Susan Sarandon: 'Hillary Trolls' Have Sent Me Rape Threats Over Election Loss
https://www.follownews.com/susan-sarandon-hillary-trolls-have-sent-me-rape-threats-over-election-loss-3sw1k

Posted by: test | Nov 27, 2017 2:16:30 PM | 34

@bits 23,
HTTPS may merely provide a false sense of security. It's been known since at least 2006 that everything traveling over the fiber optic network has been diverted to NSA data storage centers, and other agencies have access to it as well:

In early 2006, EFF obtained whistleblower evidence from former AT&T technician Mark Klein showing that AT&T is cooperating with the illegal surveillance. The undisputed documents show that AT&T installed a fiberoptic splitter at its facility at 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco that makes copies of all emails web browsing and other Internet traffic to and from AT&T customers and provides those copies to the NSA. This copying includes both domestic and international Internet activities of AT&T customers. As one expert observed, “this isn’t a wiretap, it’s a country-tap.”

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying
Snowden provided more documentary proof of this in 2013, including of the ability of NSA and GCHQ to get around HTTPS:
The spy agencies have focused on compromising encryption found in Secure Sockets Layer (SSL), virtual private networks (VPNs) and 4G smartphones and tablets. The NSA spent $255 million this year on the decryption program - code named Bullrun - which aims to "covertly influence" software designs and "insert vulnerabilities into commercial encryption systems" that would be known only to the agency.

. . .A 2010 memo describing an NSA briefing to British agents about the secret hacking said, "For the past decade, N.S.A. has led an aggressive, multipronged effort to break widely used Internet encryption technologies. Cryptanalytic capabilities are now coming online. Vast amounts of encrypted Internet data which have up till now been discarded are now exploitable."


...2013/09/05/nsa-snowden-encryption-cracked/2772721/
HTTPS may provide protection against hackers stealing credit card data (but even there, they tend to target the corporations who hold onto that data, as all the massive breaches show), but not against state surveillance. A recent story from a week ago (almost ignored by every media outlet) points to there being an active collection system collecting billions of social media and comment posts, by the Pentagon:
. . .vast-archive-from-pentagon-intel-gathering-operation-left-open-on-amazon/
The best way to deal with STASI is to ridicule them, in any case. The real agenda behind mass surveillance is not 'protection from terrorism', it's just an attempt to cow the general population into submission to authoritarian rule.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Nov 27, 2017 3:21:04 PM | 35

@V. Arnold | Nov 26, 2017 8:19:35 AM | 1

Yes, it is reminiscent of a fatally wounded animal going to die. While it will die, it cannot be approached, nor even attempted to ease its suffering in any other way than via mercy killing.
You make an important observation that has a deep meaning. This is The Universe and it has come about without the schemers and scammers, liars, deceivers and worst of all the 'for profit war'-crowd.
Everything should be glorious - but it isn't. One cannot fight Nature without succumbing to extinction. It is the force that gives out heart beats, that will end the American reign of terror. Only because a large bracket of the population is mentally underdeveloped, does not mean that the American terrorists will get away with their preposterous policies. It is The Universe who calls the shots, not the criminally insane members of the American regime and their paymasters.
Did You know that there is a verse in the prediction of Nostradamus, that "...after 70 years, the Bear is to rise again, the Eagle will fall from the sky and the Bear will bring peace and prosperity to humanity." The man lived in the 17th century and I still have my original, untranslated version of the book. The only thing the American people can do now to prevent the so called 'United States of America' to be destroyed, is to remove all those, that have hijacked what goes for a 'government' and those who paid them to do so. Otherwise, every American family will encounter how it feels to lose loved ones without having ever actively engaged in the genocide that is perpetrated in their name, for their alleged benefits.

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 27, 2017 3:43:27 PM | 36

@Harry | Nov 26, 2017 12:18:58 PM | 4
Yes, indeed. Especially in the light of the fact that WWI started around the corner due to the assassination of the Archduke(?-Erzherzog) Ferdinand. Sometimes, the death of one person can have devastating consequences. Only in the US people can get popped without implications, obviously. Fortunately though, the US is done for beyond remedy. It will require a total remake, including a brand new constitution that will make it impossible for the paymasters to continue their reign of terror.

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 27, 2017 3:43:58 PM | 37

@psychohistorian | Nov 26, 2017 12:46:05 PM | 5

Aloha PH! My late partner suffered from pain due to rheumatic arthritis. We discovered 'Curcumin' to be extremely effective and helpful. There is a variety of products available. It is pain treatment without side effects.

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 27, 2017 3:44:16 PM | 38

@muslimdude and @ james
One can only wonder, IF there are not members among the marines (I know a few retired and decorated marines) that love their Nation uncorrupted, not terrorized by the CIA, which is the biggest criminal organization in history. All its members who are responsible for its atrocities since its name change from OSS to CIA must be brought to justice, Especially the criminally insane Bush family that is now on tour to whitewash their decrepit terror on the people of the world.
Actually, if the marines care to live up to their alleged love for their country, they must step in to end this blasphemy of what goes for a government. The CIA/NSA must be destroyed for good and never be allowed to resurge. Go marines, or be just another cog in the machine that is hellbent to destroy this planet.

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 27, 2017 3:44:58 PM | 39

As it is not possible to not be inundated with 'Cyber Monday' offerings for 'deals', like with Black Friday, a period of time has begun, also known as the 'happy holidays', in which the atrocities the US is perpetrating via proxies and their own plutocratic water carriers, simply vanishes into thin air smelling like cookies and candles.
People wishing each other 'happy holidays', while in their name entire populations are exterminated. The shopper for stuff exchanged on December 25th has other things to consider than what is happening in his/her name. After all, the Americans were successfully vaccinated with the glorious notion of 'we have to fight them over there, that we don't have to fight them here'. That made a lot of sense for the average unenlightened American mind on both sides of the delusion. It warrants the slaughter of innocent women and children, children like those, whose eyes are shining when they open their presents.
Hundreds of thousands of innocent children have been murdered by the US and like Adolfina Albright stated so fittingly. "It was worth it."

The recent global developments show that those who thought they control everything, control nothing and those who think that they have no control over anything are waking up to the fact that it is them who control everything. (at least on the Homo Sapiens level that is)

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 27, 2017 3:46:51 PM | 40

With Merkel the despicable, the US is now losing grounds in Germany fast. For some time now, repression and new laws pertaining the criticism towards the gross interference of the US into German affairs, well, the two brothers US and Israel are running Germany since 1948, is bearing fruits. Only the most callous and gullible folks will deny the huge Silverback in the living room.
This pathetic woman has managed to render Germany unable to form a government. What's next? Merkel declaring that she is the Führerin now and that Democracy is no longer in the interest of the German people? Her bosom buddy George the lesser told her many years ago that a dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier. He forgot who he was taking to. When it comes to dictatorships, Germany is still at the top, maybe sharing its position with the Soviet Union, but the Soviet Union was only reactionary, while Germany was proactively dictatorial.
Just for the holiday, the discussion spins around new elections coming soon in that theater, but it becomes increasingly clear, that the Weimar Republik is knocking on the doors in Berlin. It is likely, that the results of new elections will even be more fragmented, since the Germans can now see how they are played by those CIA radio controlled traitors. It is all falling apart and one does not have to have studied 'political science'(or the science of how to shoot yourself in your own foot) to understand what that means for 'Europe', which is still limping from Brexit. Brexit was the result of a referendum, Germany is coming apart based on the arrogance of Mutti Merkel, whose wet dreams of grandeur dragging the Nation into utter dysfunction.
Sure, it could also simply be 'Affentheater' (Monkey theater), directed at implementing emergency powers, a step that is not far off. Imagine how the US has no issues to lift the debt ceiling in order to remain able to 'govern', while in Germany, there is a surplus based on the exploitation of the broad masses, and still they can't get their shit together.
While my parents have always refused to think for themselves and instead did what they were told - to vote for whatever based on populism, their voices have changed now, since that Merkel has announced to cut the pensions for the German seniors to pay for the refugees, who receive a shit load of money, while German seniors are going through the trash cans for food and freeze to death in the winter.
Oh, yes, it's the 'Christmas spirit' - the one that gives a freaking hoot about everybody else. Merkel et al need to be brought before a human rights court and tried for treason on the German people due to their being obedient to the rabid big brother.

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 27, 2017 3:50:19 PM | 41

So much for that and of course, yes, thank You very much B for this important web site. If I would not be homeless and lacking food right now, I would give lots of money to You. You deserve it more than any other outlet of which too many are simply controlled dissent. When things get better, I will think about You first.

Aloha to all

(My original post contained all above responses, but it did not post. I guess there is a word count limit. For clarity I wanted to pack it all into one fell swoop. But if it only works this way, that perfectly fine by me. I will do my best to keep it concise, although everything has to do with everything else and it keeps unfolding...)

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 27, 2017 3:55:04 PM | 42

Posted by: james | Nov 27, 2017 2:10:09 PM | 33

I thought about that but decided that changing Manhattan for NYC would overly complicate a straightforward issue. I'm sure the proportions of sociopaths to general population is lower out in the boroughs, but on the other hand, NYC is still the biggest market for the NYT, and the NYT is the way it is at least in part, because the POV peddled sells.
When things do get hot as they inevitably will, there just won't be time and energy for nuance. However I may personally feel about the horror of innocents being caught up in the mess will be leavened by two things, the way which so many new yorkers embraced 'payback' in the form of the wanton slaughter of at least one million Iraqi innocents, and their unwavering support for war mongering scumbags such as Hillary Clinton and/or Donald Trump.
Yep they didn't know any better, they have been indoctrinated and maybe things won't spread beyond Manhattan, but if they do then I'm sorry to say rather them than the passels of 100% innocents who have been copping it for at least the last six decades.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 27, 2017 8:14:12 PM | 43

@39 notheonly1.. we'll see if anything concrete develops...

@43 debs.. i get where you are coming from.. i am thinking of all the starving jazz musicians - some who i know personally - who live in new york.. it is also a place of real creative activity too.. i was mostly thinking of that.. really - all the wars that the usa is responsible for, can't be left just on new yorks doorstep, although i don't think it coincidental 9-11 flying into buildings in the vicinity of wall st was just happenstance.. i mostly see innocent people getting hurt in all this.. i only wish it would all stop, but it doesn't look like it is going to.. trump is indeed from new york..

Posted by: james | Nov 27, 2017 8:38:49 PM | 44

From the horse mouth.....
Weapons of Mass Migration,
Made in USA !

http://www.globalresearch.ca/refugee-crisis-manufactured-migrants-are-tools-in-u-s-empires-grand-chessboard/5596706

AND all the prez's men...

'Overall the design is to advance the interests of the American Empire. The resulting chaos is cold-blooded strategy. Springmann offers evidence that the Empire has greased the skids for the traumatized asylum seekers. For instance this technical but telling factoid:

CISCO’s Tactical Operations (TacOps) team supported by the volunteer Disaster Response Team (DRT) from the U.K. and Ireland, Google, and NetHope have installed Meraki-based Wi-Fi networks and device charging stations at more than 17 sites along the migration route in Southern and Central Europe. [my emphasis]

Springmann provides many other facts to buttress his contention that the “migrant millions” are human pawns. The reference to NetHope, by the way, is significant.

NetHope and Mercy Corps “have backgrounds tied to the US government,” he writes. “NetHope is a shadowy organization headquartered in CIA-friendly Fairfax County, Virginia.” Springmann, who also has a background working for NGOs, names other suspect NGOs that play their role in the overall coerced migration.

One of the motives is to destabilize Europe as an economic challenger to the U.S.A.

Posted by: denk | Nov 29, 2017 1:09:23 PM | 45

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