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October 30, 2017

Open Thread 2017-39

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

October 23: Help Wanted - State Department Seeks Self-Consistent Secretary

In which I speculate that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson hates his job and would be happy to leave.

October 24: Phoenix 2.0 - CIA To Unleash Vietnam Era Terror Campaign On Afghanistan

The White House approved a huge expansion of the CIA's torture and killing campaign in Afghanistan. The 'advantage': While the military has some minimum of accountability the CIA has none at all.

October 25: Nil

Draft piece moved to /dev/null for lack of substance.

October 26: British Involvement In "Trump Dossier" Needs Further Investigation

There are several strong indications that British secret services were deeply involved in the efforts to derail Trump's campaign. Did Brennan arrange for this or did  Clapper?

October 27: Cuba - U.S. Diplomats Retreat In Horror ... Because ... 'Crickets'

U.S. diplomats can't resist mating calls of Cuban gryllidae.

Please use the comments as open thread ...

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A link about the stitching up of Norman Finkelstein by a couple of lawyers handling the divorce proceedings of one of his friends and ex-students. He is facing a possible 2 year jail sentence. Sign the petition to oppose this abuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzaCdY2HTsE

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 30, 2017 12:08:38 PM | 2

America successfully defends Israel against unfair charges of apartheid and unwise freedom-of-the-press rules by giving the U.N. a lesson in who runs the world:
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2017/03/31/israel-is-an-apartheid-state-even-if-the-un-report-has-been-withdrawn/

Posted by: Imagine | Oct 30, 2017 12:19:24 PM | 3

Finkelstein issue remininded me "Holocaust Industry", and one of the pillars of that industry, Leon Wieseltier. Since I have access beyond NYT firewall, I refreshed my knowledge -- news from Israel seem uniformly grim and I did not follow them of late. But one of the basis of psychological well being of Israelis (they have some black sheep so not all of them), Zionists elsewhere and their friends is the absolute moral superiority of Israel. One part of that superiority is immaculate conception of the renewed Jewish State.

Yet, that cause is beset, as always, by the fifth column. Quote 1:
QUOTE STARTS
When John Judis, a longtime senior editor at The New Republic, published a book examining the role of the pro-Zionist lobby in persuading President Harry S. Truman to support the founding of the Jewish state in 1948, he expected strong criticism, and he has certainly gotten it.

Since the book, “Genesis: Truman, American Jews and the Origins of the Arab/Israeli Conflict” appeared in February, it has drawn sometimes sharply negative assessments in The Wall Street Journal, Commentary, The National Interest and elsewhere. An invitation to speak at the Museum of Jewish Heritage in New York was rescinded, then reinstated.

But perhaps the most stinging response came from one of his own colleagues. The New Republic’s longtime literary editor, Leon Wieseltier, sent an email to the historian Ronald Radosh, praising his review in The Jewish Review of Books that said Mr. Judis had distorted history to write “a profoundly anti-Zionist book.”
QUOTE ENDS
Wieseltier has the stature of moral authority, buttressed by deep voice and impressive mane. And now he is on this list:
QUOTE STARTS
In the wake of Harvey Weinstein’s sudden and overdue expulsion from Hollywood for his serial predation, hundreds of long-silent women are calling out powerful, influential men at a remarkable clip and accusing them of sexual misconduct: Roy Price, the head of Amazon Studios; the film director James Toback; the literary critic Leon Wieseltier; the restaurateur and celebrity chef John Besh; and the political commentator Mark Halperin, to name just a few.
QUOTE ENDS

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 30, 2017 12:38:26 PM | 4

So we have the first accusation against in the Trump/Russia investigation...only it doesnt involve Trump nor Russian government!
Is this the only thing this russian-hysteria could bring forward, its a disgrace after all MSM psyops and disinformation daily about a Russia-Trump collusion!

Posted by: Anon | Oct 30, 2017 12:52:25 PM | 5

A @ 2: Thanks for the link. IMO Mr. Finkelstein is a credit to humanity for taking on all the BS and disinformation that the state of Israel spews daily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0_UTBnFqog

Posted by: ben | Oct 30, 2017 1:01:32 PM | 6

43 U.S. Senators propose law making it a federal felony, with up to 20 years in prison, to criticize Israel by boycotting, advocating boycott, or requesting information about boycott. Correcting unwise pesky quaint American freedom-of-speech amendment. France apparently already has similar laws in place. Of course, the Internet never forgets, so when this passes, the next step will be to apply it retroactively. Anyone who criticizes Israel, if you're not already very scared, you should be.
Criminalize criticism of Israel.

God save Israel from evil.

Posted by: Imagine | Oct 30, 2017 1:06:34 PM | 7


Why Paul Manafort was charged with "conspiracy against the United States"
The most eye-popping charge in Paul Manafort’s indictment isn’t as shocking as it looks.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/30/16570580/why-paul-manafort-was-charged-with-conspiracy-against-the-united-states

Posted by: Anon | Oct 30, 2017 1:10:52 PM | 8

@6 Manafort will be under a lot of pressure to produce evidence of any Trump/Putin connection.

Posted by: dh | Oct 30, 2017 1:19:16 PM | 9

Your blog has been an oasis of information for me in storm-battered Puerto Rico. I wish I could contribute something from my nick of the woods, but THIS is all I have to offer.

Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 30, 2017 1:24:22 PM | 10

October 25: Nil

Draft piece moved to /dev/null for lack of substance.

The down-side of strict Quality Control?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 30, 2017 1:25:01 PM | 11

Ex-DEA agent: Opioid crisis fueled by drug industry and Congress

Whistleblower Joe Rannazzisi says drug distributors pumped opioids into U.S. communities -- knowing that people were dying -- and says industry lobbyists and Congress derailed the DEA's efforts to stop it

CBS 60 minutes programming. What they leave out in the headlines: D.E.A. 46 Lawyers and top level officials switch sides go to work for the Pharmacy industries. Because? $$$$$

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 30, 2017 1:25:05 PM | 12

The Secretive Family Making Billions From the Opioid Crisis


You’re aware America is under siege, fighting an opioid crisis that has exploded into a public-health emergency. You’ve heard of OxyContin, the pain medication to which countless patients have become addicted. But do you know that the company that makes Oxy and reaps the billions of dollars in profits it generates is owned by one family?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 30, 2017 1:30:02 PM | 13

dh

You think? The accusations against Manafort doesnt have anything to do with either Trump or the election itself but basically economic & corruption charges relating to his own lobbying business.

Posted by: Anon | Oct 30, 2017 1:40:12 PM | 14

Interesting article about the importance of the Faysh Kabur tri border crossing in Northern Iraq:

http://www.checkpointasia.net/index.php/2017/10/29/iraqi-army-launches-offensive-to-frustrate-us-operations-in-syria/

Posted by: Lozion | Oct 30, 2017 1:43:37 PM | 15

@12 Sure but what does he know?

Posted by: dh | Oct 30, 2017 1:45:53 PM | 16

>>>> dh | Oct 30, 2017 1:45:53 PM | 14

Is there anything to know? Putin says not, Trump says not and nobody has presented any actual evidence of Trump-Putin collusion. As for Manafort, I can't see the DoJ arranging a non-custodial sentence for him, so he's going to do time. If he rolls on Trump there's no chance of a presidential pardon in the near future while if he keeps quiet he can drag out the criminal proceedings for a while then get a presidential pardon off Trump.

Posted by: Ghostship | Oct 30, 2017 2:02:33 PM | 17

On the non-event JFK papers release, here are three items each containing their own little secret not known to the vast majority of the planet's people. Durden's item focuses on several details of the cover-up, one more known than the other, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48105.htm The TelaSur item reinforms us about aspects of Operation Northwoods that's mostly unknown to the global public which Tom links to several other ICH articles, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48102.htm Finally, we have former spooks with a guilty conscience Ray McGovern tell us about the disappearing HR Truman op/ed in the WaPost's 22 Dec 1963 edition while also plugging JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, along with a jumble of other bits and pieces, https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/30/the-deep-states-jfk-triumph-over-trump/ I've long wonder about McGovern's softpeddling his former employer's massive criminal record; perhaps he doesn't want to be JFK'd.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30, 2017 2:47:58 PM | 18

Anon @6--

Mercouris weighs in on the Manafort indictment, wherein I agree with his initial assessment:

"It comes after what was in all other respects a disastrous two weeks for the true believers in the Russiagate conspiracy with the revelation that the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign financed the ‘research’ which resulted in the Trump Dossier, and with mounting claims that (as I had previously suspected) the now notorious meeting between Donald Trump Junior and the Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya was indeed a sting set up by Fusion GPS, the intermediary company used by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign to fund the Trump Dossier.

"In light of this there has to be some suspicion that the decision to press charges against Manafort and one of his aides now was intended at least in part to distract attention from the revelations and to regain control of the Russiagate narrative, which has been increasingly falling apart.

"What reinforces this suspicion is that news of the indictment was leaked – disgracefully – to the media over the weekend even though the indictment had been sealed by a Federal Judge." http://theduran.com/manafort-indictment-muellers-first-last-shot/

All the while Mueller spins his wheels, the really big criminals in this fiasco remain the Clintons, Obamas, and staff that worked abetting their crimes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30, 2017 3:23:15 PM | 19

It's not a Trump-Putin connection; rather, a Trump Palin connection. When Trump needs to know anything about Russia, he visits Palin.

In real news, Trump released a mere fraction of the JFK docs while holding back about 30,000 plus. The fake news headlines had it wrong again. But it was a nice straw dog for one week of Trumpism.

Posted by: Narazon | Oct 30, 2017 4:17:05 PM | 20

@13 lozion.. thanks for the link.. that is interesting.. i wonder how it will play out?

i thought this was good.. "BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:30 P.M.) – The former Prime Minister of Qatar, Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani, admitted during a recent interview that his country supported jihadists in Syria.

In addition to Qatar, the ex premier admitted that Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the U.S. were all involved in providing supplies to militant groups attempting to overthrow the government of Bashar Al-Assad."

on another note, does anyone have any info to challenge this issueon north korea and the allegation of north korea starving their people? thanks in advance..

Posted by: james | Oct 30, 2017 5:41:41 PM | 21

On Kennedy:

25 years ago, I was in the office of a trader in US military surplus. That gentleman
sold all kinds of items to all kinds of dictators all around the World. I was there to
buy some marine stuff.

He was just back from a trip to Israel where " he had been inspecting some facilities".
He was in good spirits.

The phone rang, and he took the call. As the conversation progressed, his voice got
louder and louder. Repeatedly, he called his interlocutor "Dean". Name or surname
I cannot decide as there were several high ranking officials named Dean as a name
or Dean as a Family name. He seemed oblivious of my presence or probably
thought I would not grasp what he was saying.

At some point, he was really furious and yelled:" Hey Dean, tell the bastard :
if he won't behave we'll do him what we did to the Kennedy boys!"

It took him a few minutes after hanging up before he was back from his explosion
and we started talking business.

Posted by: CarlD | Oct 30, 2017 6:00:30 PM | 22

I found the link provided to be a clear and short summary of the latest....and with a little tongue in cheek, as they say


The Mueller Soap Opera from a techie perspective

Are there going to be something like the Oscars or Golden Globe award ceremonies for all this BS being created just for us as we continue to be raped by the elite? I think that the US Congress Critters should get equal time to compete for perfidy honors.....maybe the Supremes as well.

Amerika has the best government money can buy.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30, 2017 6:27:37 PM | 23

>>>> james | Oct 30, 2017 5:41:41 PM | 19

on another note, does anyone have any info to challenge this issueon north korea and the allegation of north korea starving their people? thanks in advance..

I doubt that the regime ever consciously starved its population but it has suffered a number of famines which some claim may have been exacerbated by bad agricultural practice. The famines seem to be a thing of the past although US sanctions might bring them back if North Korea can't raise enough money to fund food imports.

Meanwhile, Kim Jong-un seems to be endorsing retail therapy.

Posted by: Ghostship | Oct 30, 2017 6:35:03 PM | 24

@22 ghostship.. thanks.. i had a younger friend raise the issue as a current situation.. it seemed like a propaganda talking point to me, but i have no way to reference what is actually happening in north korea at present..

speaking of bad agricultural practice, having read about 10 or more wendell berry books over the past few years, i have come to the conclusion big agribiz is pushing the erosion of the top soil, not to mention a reliance on chemical fertilizers down the road onto the next generation of people who will have to deal with all the deceptive means they had used to continue with the 'high' production.. also a mono culture has been favoured over a more diversified culture with big agribiz... keeping animals in pens where they never connect with the land, and their excrement doesn't go back into the land - all sorts of negligent acts on the part of the major corps who run agriculture today, point to a loaming disaster in a not too distant time..

of course this is not a topic many are paying any attention to.. so long as people have their food on the table, many are too busy to question where it comes from, or what goes into it, for it to make it to the table.. fortunately people are seeking alternatives in community gardening, but it still forms a very small percentage of the needs of the number of people we are trying to sustain on planet earth at this point.. i honestly feel north korea is probably better positioned as they might not have gone down the same road as western societies like canada or the usa to the same stupid degree..

Posted by: james | Oct 30, 2017 7:07:13 PM | 25

btw - thank you peter au @66 and don bacon @68 on the ''british involvement..." thread regarding the topic of emptywheel.. i have been busy the past few days and just catching up.. both of your comments make sense to me.. thanks guys..

Posted by: james | Oct 30, 2017 7:13:29 PM | 26

@19 james, looks like there is an agreement for a joint Iraqi/KRG/US control over the border crossing, thereby allowing continued US support to the SDF by maintaining a land connection between Rojava and KRG. I cant fathom why Al Abadi would allow this considering the ISF has the upper hand right now. This must enrage Turkey & Iran..

Posted by: Lozion | Oct 30, 2017 7:21:30 PM | 27

@25 lozion.. hard to know the game of chess or checkers al abadi is forced to play.. but, i imagine he is walking a fine line in it all.. i agree he has the upper hand here, but maybe he doesn't want to push it?

Posted by: james | Oct 30, 2017 7:29:11 PM | 28

Whatever the strategy amerika has developed to re-ensnare Iraq is, it will be multi-phase and relentless, although the initial fishooks won't be visible and in fact may never be revealed since the plan will require 100% dependence by Iraq, prior to any jerks on the fishing line.

Trump's inability to quietly adhere to a plan of attack is probably the biggest weakness in implementation - if al-Abadi or another senior Iraqi says or does something which Agent Orange decides demeans him, then he will immediately skip to some phase that caught his eye on his one & only skim through the plan and he will force State and the military to go straight to that action in the process, long before the circumstances required to properly wedge Iraq have been brought about. Then the entire strategy could become worthless since it can be longer be successfully implemented without detection - well here is hoping.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 30, 2017 8:54:56 PM | 29

Here is a link below to a posting about evolvement of ultrasound technology that has the potential to be quite disruptive to the existing players while providing a significant improvement to a doctors toolbox and a cost saver in testing.

Unfortunately, fealty to the God of Mammon will keep this technological advancement, like many others, from being integrated into society much faster than it would be if our societal priorities were different.

Smartphone Ultrasound

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30, 2017 9:49:05 PM | 30

I want to report a browsing strangeness that is happening at MoA

I am using Opera 48.0.2685.52 on an old Mac Mini with Yosemite 10.10.5

In the past say 48-72 hours when I do a refresh on one of the open MoA threads the Opera browser gets into where its shows it doing something like a refresh....sometimes stops on own and sometimes not. When I stop whatever seems to be going on it seems to stay stopped for a bit. Any other MoA patrons smelling anything fishy going on at MoA?

This is not happening at other sites I visit and have multiple open tabs to at any one time.....except where that is how the site works.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30, 2017 10:18:54 PM | 31

You should read this;

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/247841/progressive-anti-semitism-and-putin

Anti-establihismemt politicians like Trump and Corbyn is equal anti-semitism, and is also all Putin/Russia fault somehow.

Posted by: Chiron | Oct 30, 2017 10:49:41 PM | 32

Con artist SecState Tillerson reveals US plan to stay in Iraq. ISIS (with covert US support) will be the gift that keeps on giving! The US world's finest military will be unable to have confidence ISIS is defeated.

Tillerson: US could stay in Iraq to fight ISIS, wanted or not

WASHINGTON – U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Monday night that American forces would hypothetically stay in Iraq in order to defeat the Islamic State group, even if the government in Baghdad requests the U.S. leave.
Tillerson, appearing with Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, indicated American forces have the right to stay in Iraq under the 2001 and 2002 Authorizations for the Use of Military Force (AUMF), a long-standing justification for military action around the globe, until the fight against ISIS is concluded.
The statement came up in response to a question from Sen. Tom Udall, D-N.M., who asked “If U.S. forces are told to leave, will we depart Iraq or will be stay uninvited as our forces are doing in Syria, and under what legal authority will they remain?”
Responded Tillerson: “We will remain in Iraq until ISIS is defeated and we are confident that ISIS has been defeated.”. . .here

confidence man: a person who tricks other people in order to get their money : con artist

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 30, 2017 11:13:55 PM | 33

Don Bacon | Oct 30, 2017 11:13:55 PM | 31

The salient issue to me is whether or not US troops could be captured and rendered to a court of law for war crimes, or just plain killed on the spot. Maybe not likely, but I remember Obama coming up against lack of a comfortable SOFA as a justification for pulling out, thereby creating ISIS to begin with.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/may/18/jeb-bush/obama-refused-sign-plan-place-leave-10000-troops-i/

Austin Long, a Columbia University international and public affairs professor, said al-Maliki allegedly supported the residual force and may have signed a new plan, but the Iraqi parliament would not. Facing the prospect of a weak agreement that didn’t protect remaining troops the way the United States wanted, when neither Baghdad nor Washington wanted to leave them there, negotiations broke down. No new agreement was reached, and no residual force was formed. There has been plenty of debate whether it was Washington or Baghdad that was more intractable on a new agreement.

Maliki SOFA, https://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/20081119_SOFA_FINAL_AGREED_TEXT.pdf

Posted by: Stumpy | Oct 30, 2017 11:43:45 PM | 34

@32 Stumpy, #31 Don Bacon

Tillerson just asked Congress to give Trump carte blanche to intervene militarily anywhere in the world. When you work for a corporation and you begin to pick up the lingo you start speaking in that language as a way of being accepted. Tillerson. Carte blanche. Dream on.

"whether or not US troops could be captured and rendered to a court of law for war crimes, or just plain killed on the spot."

The US military cannot fight. How do we know this? Because it hasn't. In the face of the destruction of its own empire, when now more than ever before it should have "screwed its courage to the sticking place" in the face of vast geopolitical shifts and pivots away from its influence - in the face of these obvious imperatives when it should have fought and sacrificed and won through...it failed.

It failed even to show up, except in TV terms.

If Iraq insists that the US will leave its nation and not return, the US will leave. It may try to return, in the manner of the mouse, under the door or through the cracks. But in the manner of grown up men and women, and soldiers, it will leave. Only in TV terms will it return.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 31, 2017 12:32:55 AM | 35

Manafort's partner Rick Davis somehow missed Mueller's attention. (Davis was McCain's campaign manager in both 2000 and 2008.)

from the Manafort/Gates indictment--

9. In 2005, MANAFORT and another partner created Davis Manafort Partners, Inc. (DMP) to engage principally in political consulting. DMP had staff in the United States, Ukraine, and Russia. In 2011, MANAFORT created DMP International, LLC (DMI) to engage in work for foreign clients, in particular political consulting, lobbying, and public relations for the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions, and members of the Party of Regions. DMI was a partnership solely owned by MANAFORT and his spouse. GATES worked for both DMP and DMI and served as MANAFORT's right-hand man.. .here

from circa.com, Jun 21

During the 2008 campaign, the Davis Manafort firm disclosed through its U.S. partner Daniel J. Edelman Inc., that it was working for the political party in Ukraine supporting Ukrainian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, who was backed by Putin. "Davis Manafort International LLC is directed by a foreign political party, the Ukraine Parties of Regions, to consult on the political campaign in Ukraine," the January 2008 Foreign Agent Registration Act filing showed. The work included developing "a communications campaign to increase Prime Minister Yanukovych's visibility in the U.S. and Europe," the report added, indicating that Davis and Manafort were being paid a $35,000 a month retainer for the work that began in spring 2007. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 31, 2017 1:00:19 AM | 36

@ Stumpy 32
re: I remember Obama coming up against lack of a comfortable SOFA as a justification for pulling out

No, Bush-43 signed a withdrawal agreement which Obama had to obey. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 31, 2017 1:08:29 AM | 37

Patrick Cockburn on Iraq

Mr Abadi is in a strong position because the KRG’s two biggest neighbours, Turkey and Iran, agree with him on re-establishing federal control of the border and Kurdish oil exports. Mr Abadi says the Turks admit that “they made a mistake” in the past in dealing directly with the KRG and not with the central government in Baghdad. He emphasises that he will not be satisfied with Iraq government officials having a symbolic “spot” at different crossing points on the border, but they must have exclusive control of borders and international flights. Asked if this would include visas, Mr Abadi says: “This is a must.” ... But Mr Abadi’s strength is that for the first time since 1980, the Kurds do not have any backers in neighbouring states and the US has done little during the crisis except wring its hands at the sight of its Kurdish and Iraqi government allies falling out. When Mr Barzani unwisely forced Washington to choose between Baghdad and Irbil, the Americans were always going to choose the Iraqi state. ... A more substantive allegation is that the Hashd al-Shaabi, the powerful Shia paramilitary units which have fought alongside the Iraqi regular forces, are sectarian and under Iranian influence or control. Asked about his recent meeting with Rex Tillerson, the US Secretary of State, who said the Hashd should “go home” or be dismantled, Mr Abadi said that there was either “a misquotation or misinformation” and Mr Tillerson seemed to be under the impression that the IRGC was fighting in Iraq and did not know that the Hashd were all Iraqis.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 31, 2017 1:44:21 AM | 38

Twitter and Facebook raise the anti-russian war,

"It appears 'Russia-linked posts' facebook, twitter posts are under 1% of all election-related posts"
https://tinyurl.com/ya5ly9o9


Posted by: Anon | Oct 31, 2017 5:05:41 AM | 39

In Arabic some people call it "ligtness of blood" (khiffat al dam) but it should rather be called "absence of brain"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-28/shocking-viral-interview-qatar-confesses-secrets-behind-syrian-war

Qatari ex PM explaining that indeed from the beginning they supported Nusra but after a while they stopped, after they understood it was a bad idea (i.e. it spread outside the Syrian borders?)
Ok he admits they treated Bashar Al Asad as a prey (remember the pattern of "escalation" each time he tried to make a conciliatory move?) but finally he says he has nothing against the guy!!!!!
These guys should be locked quickly to a lunatic asylum, with Trump, Obama, Hollande, Cameron... etc.

Posted by: Mina | Oct 31, 2017 6:10:16 AM | 40

Could anyone name ONE single LIE that Russia has been pushed and have fooled the whole american electorate?! I think its sick that we live in this hysteria right now but NO ONE(!) seems to be able to show any evidence of the purported lies?

Posted by: Anon | Oct 31, 2017 8:19:50 AM | 41

Posted by: Ghostship | Oct 30, 2017 2:02:33 PM | 15

What has been made known is that a "Russian Troll Factory" has tried to "set Americans against their own government"

According to Max, the Internet Research Agency’s foreign desk was prohibited from promoting anything about Russia or Putin. One thing the staff learned quickly was that Americans don’t normally talk about Russia: “They don’t really care about it,” Max told Dozhd. “Our goal wasn’t to turn the Americans toward Russia,” he claims. “Our task was to set Americans against their own government: to provoke unrest and discontent, and to lower Obama’s support ratings.”

Which is the same the indigenous ALT-Right campaign did.

What has not been made public is the content of the facebook campaign Cambridge Analytica targeted Americans with. But they seem to have targeted the same demographics.

I watched the start of "pizzagate" on twitter which was done by alt-right people who where American and not anonymous.

If you can do this type of slander in the US you don't have to go to Russia for it.

Trump's backers - hedge fund managers - and Trump have been on a campaign to replace media organisations with any rumor they wish to spread.

That is deeply destabilizing in itself and it was done from the US.


Posted by: somebody | Oct 31, 2017 9:16:09 AM | 42

And of course - hedge fund managers are on both sides - re - Steele dossier

Conservative site initially hired firm that produced Trump-Russia dossier

Rightwing site Washington Free Beacon says it hired firm to dig up dirt on several GOP candidates including Trump during 2016 election

...

The New York Times reported that the Free Beacon is funded in large part by hedge fund billionaire Paul Singer, who was not aware of the dossier until it was leaked earlier this year.

From May 5, 2017

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Paul Singer's hedge fund firm Elliott Management Corp raised $5 billion in about 24 hours this week citing a major potential opportunity when "investor confidence is impaired," according to letters sent to investors that were seen by Reuters.

Singer said in an email to investors on Wednesday announcing the offering of up to $5 billion that the funds would be used toward the "possibly large opportunity set that could emerge when investor confidence is impaired, recent correlations and assumptions don’t work, and prices are changing rapidly."

There should be a ban on hedge fund managers becoming "active".

Posted by: somebody | Oct 31, 2017 9:54:59 AM | 43

Anon #39
" NO ONE(!) seems to be able to show any evidence of the purported lies?"


Amerikas unnamed spokes persons don't need no stinking evidence because whatever they say is the holy truth;-)

Sadly the sheeple in Amerika believe this S$$$.

Posted by: jo6pac | Oct 31, 2017 9:55:38 AM | 44

somebody

Regarding your link #40. Its written by a anti-russian website with no name to verify, doesnt seems very credible - no,
the quote by the so called "troll" was most NOT likely said by the "troll" himself, but rather, obviously someone that actually want to divide US and Russia - that actually WANT you to believe that Russia "influenced" the election , and its not alt-right, but perhaps yourself that divide and stop better relations between Russia/US.

Do you actually beleive there is trolls from russia spreading chaos in the west?

Posted by: Anon | Oct 31, 2017 10:03:26 AM | 45

43

I think that the invention of cyber warfare and disinformation is like the invention of gun powder. In the end everyone will have a Kalashnikov.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 31, 2017 10:29:21 AM | 46

somebody

I take that as a Yes them, then the next question, why "disinformation" have Russian state spread and fooled the west with?

Posted by: Anon | Oct 31, 2017 10:37:25 AM | 47

@44 Are hedge funds short FB? They've had a good run.

Posted by: dh | Oct 31, 2017 10:42:17 AM | 48

The principal objective of Operation Iraqi Freedom (after the obligatory "defense of the American people" BS) was. . .Iraqi Freedom! Yeah!

WASHINGTON, Mar 21, 2003 -- Defense of the American people is primary among the goals and objectives of U.S. actions in Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said during a Pentagon press conference today. Further goals are to eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and to liberate the Iraqi people. To achieve these aims, the military coalition is focused on specific goals. . .Finally, the coalition will create the conditions for Iraq's rapid transition to a representative government "that is not a threat to its neighbors." The coalition is committed to ensuring the territorial integrity of Iraq.. . .here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 31, 2017 11:08:30 AM | 49

@47 Interesting to see it spelled out like that. Then as now. But it seems the Iraqi people might be getting a litle too liberated.

Posted by: dh | Oct 31, 2017 11:13:20 AM | 50

Listening to Tillersion and Mattis preach endless war reminds me of an organization formed after 9/11, and composed largely of the relatives of those killed. The group name was Not in Our Name.

wiki: Not in Our Name (NION) was a United States organization founded on March 23, 2002 to protest the U.S. government's course in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks; it disbanded on March 31, 2008.

"Pledge of Resistance"
The Pledge is written by Starhawk and Saul Williams, in the style of free verse, beginning:

We believe that as people living

in the United States it is our

responsibility to resist the injustices

done by our government,

in our names

Not in our name

will you wage endless war

and concluding

Another world is possible

and we pledge to make it real.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 31, 2017 11:33:02 AM | 51

Seventy miles south of the Korea DMZ, within DPRK rocket range--
Oct 30, 2017
Soldiers pack Camp Humphreys' new food court during first lunch rush
CAMP HUMPHREYS, South Korea — A bevy of fast-food joints opened Monday at the Army’s newest, biggest base in South Korea, providing soldiers with a taste of home.
The new food court, which boasts dining options such as Arby’s and Popeye’s, and dozens of small outlet shops are part of the largest and most modern on-post mall in the Pacific.
A new Camp Humphreys Exchange will open in the complex on Nov. 20.
Spc. Stephen Franklin, deployed to the peninsula with the Fort Hood, Texas-based 1st Cavalry Division, was among hundreds of soldiers who packed into the food court Monday for the first lunch rush. He said the establishment is much closer than other on-post restaurants. That’s big deal to soldiers like him who aren't allowed to own a car. . .here.
image here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 31, 2017 11:41:16 AM | 52

@50 Some of them look a little er....overweight....already.

Posted by: dh | Oct 31, 2017 11:45:10 AM | 53

@ dh
Ten percent of the Army military personnel are deemed overweight. chart here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 31, 2017 12:13:53 PM | 54

Craig Murray also in difficulties, due to lawsuit by right-wing journalist, assisted by fanatical Zionist lawyer: "I continue urgently to need contributions to my defence in the libel action against me by Jake Wallis Simons, Associate Editor of Daily Mail online. You can see the court documents outlining the case here. I am threatened with bankruptcy and the end of this blog (not to mention a terrible effect on my young family). Support is greatly appreciated. An astonishing 4,000 people have now contributed a total of over £75,000. But that is still only halfway towards the £140,000 target. I realise it is astonishing that so much money can be needed, but that is the pernicious effect of England’s draconian libel laws, as explained here."

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Oct 31, 2017 1:06:00 PM | 55

Further to my earlier post, here is an article on the lawyer in question: https://www.timesofisrael.com/uks-foremost-libel-lawyer-sets-his-sights-on-israels-enemies/

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Oct 31, 2017 1:18:01 PM | 56

>>> Chiron | Oct 30, 2017 10:49:41 PM | 30

You should read this;

Why should I read such propaganda? It wasn't just the Soviet Union that argued quite correctly that Zionism is racist, just as anti-zionism of itself is not anti-semitic, although being anti-semitic is not the same as being anti-zionist as many American evangelical Cristians all to often demonstrate. I'd even go as far to suggest that Christian Zionists are anti-semitic, Israel is an apartheid state and there is nothing wrong with boycotting goods produced in the occupied territories since that production by the occupying force is almost certainly a war crime under international law. Now do you understand why I feel no need to read that article?


Posted by: Ghostship | Oct 31, 2017 2:05:28 PM | 57

Finkelstein. When the Holocaust Industry came out four friends of one of my /...../ aged 12-13 came to me to ask me could I procure a copy for them and/or see to it that the library ordered a copy. I told them it was only in English.

They responded pas un problème we learn Eeenglish. I bought, ordered. So Finkelstein is responsible for 4 children learning English, and quite high-level Eng. at that. Not an isolated example I found out later. (from CH.)


Posted by: Noirette | Oct 31, 2017 3:44:02 PM | 58

Politico published a ‘chart’ - ‘schema’ that is supposed to be a template, to ‘guide’ decisions of xyz kind -> Tillerson centralising foreign policy or whatever.

Crazy. The sort of lowest tier of power-point management illusions that are supposed to orient the mentally hesitant or provide arr .. arr … errr must be followed ‘decision pathways.’

My problem is, I don’t believe this was tongue-in-cheek or ‘superficial, jokey’ or even ‘fake’ (put forward without permission, invented, etc.) but represents a genuine digest of a thought-out process.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/26/tillerson-diplomats-policy-state-department-244190

(see also Grieved at 35)

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 31, 2017 3:47:04 PM | 59

HRW uses Syria Al Qaeda Civil Defense statements in report:
Russia/Syria: Deadly Airstrikes on Trapped Civilians
Cluster Munitions, Attacks on Main Roads, Residential Areas in Idlib Area

Abdelkader Khashan, a Syria Civil Defense first responder, described finding a small child under the rubble: “I thought I could save him so we took him to the nearest medical point, but he was dead. He was around 8 months.” Khashan shared with Human Rights Watch a video of himself with an infant covered in dust who appeared lifeless.

...
Al-Ghaby shared a photo of remnants he said Syria Civil Defense collected after the cluster munition attacks. The photo shows more than 30 unexploded ShOAB-0.5 submunitions. The ShOAB-0.5 fragmentation submunition, a tennis-ball-shaped submunition produced by the Soviet Union, is only known to be delivered by a specific type of air-dropped RBK-500 cluster bomb.

Looks like referring to them as White Helmets is no longer appropriate.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Oct 31, 2017 4:37:19 PM | 60

@28 Looks like this agreement I refered too is not valid according to Governement of Iraq Twitter account:

PM @HaiderAlAbadi: There will be no joint administration of border-crossings which will be controlled by federal authorities

https://twitter.com/iraqigovt/status/925433522260766720

So there is hope..

Posted by: Lozion | Oct 31, 2017 8:23:44 PM | 61

@60 lozion..

i just read this in the turkish press... Iraqi army takes control of Iraqi-Kurdish border crossing with Turkey

Posted by: james | Oct 31, 2017 8:44:58 PM | 62

Posted by: Anon | Oct 31, 2017 10:37:25 AM | 47

You don't seem to understand language. I said anybody - as in any private citizen - can do disinformation nowadays. And any - privately or state owned - bot factory.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 1, 2017 1:21:15 AM | 63

Posted by: Anon | Oct 31, 2017 10:37:25 AM | 47

You don't seem to understand language.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 1, 2017 1:21:15 AM | 62

That is probably becaue you use language dishonestly. All the time. Try not being a duplicitious &dishonest asshat and I'm sure you'd experience much less of this sort of thing

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Nov 1, 2017 4:00:18 AM | 64

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Nov 1, 2017 4:00:18 AM | 63

It seems very important if Russia did disinformation or not. Just to deflect from the fact that disinformation (and the destruction of democracy) was done from within the US by US citizens with an agenda that has nothing to do with Russia.

Yes, I know, it is free speech. If it is from Russia or by Communists it is considered illegal.

It is quite possible that Cambridge Analytica outsourced the "doing" to the Petersburg troll factory to disassociate themselves from it. This troll factory probably has good connections to the Russian state but it is privately owned. Just as Cambridge Analytica has good connections to the British and US state but is also privately owned.

After an initial commercial success, SCL expanded into military and political arenas. It became known for alleged involvement "in military disinformation campaigns to social media branding and voter targeting".[5] According to its website, SCL has participated in over 25 international political and electoral campaigns since 1994.

SCL’s involvement in the political world has been primarily in the developing world where it has been used by the military and politicians to study and manipulate public opinion and political will. It uses what have been called “psy ops” to provide insight into the thinking of the target audience.[4] SCL claims to have been successful to help foment coups.[5] According to its website, SCL has influenced elections in Italy, Latvia, Ukraine, Albania, Romania, South Africa, Nigeria, Kenya, Mauritius, India, Indonesia, Thailand, Taiwan, Colombia, Antigua, St. Vincent & the Grenadines, St. Kitts & Nevis, Trinidad & Tobago.[2] While the company initially got involved in elections in the United Kingdom, it ceased to do so after 1997 because staff members did not exhibit the same "aloof sensibility" as with projects abroad.

SCL claims that its methodology has been approved or endorsed by agencies of the Government of the United Kingdom and the Federal government of the United States, among others.

SCL formed Cambridge Analytica to participate in the election process in the United States.

Instead of inquiring with what content Cambridge Analytica targeted Americans they inquire Google, Facebook and Twitter who placed content from Russia. These companies cannot really be sure they know where content comes from - if a sophisticated actor intends to they can fake it

Posted by: somebody | Nov 1, 2017 6:04:43 AM | 65

Just Sayin 63

Thank you!

somebody

Ok so now you believe in "troll factory" in Russia and not only that, you imply :
1. That that is a fact
2. That Trump/Cambr. Analytica may have something do do with them
3. That they not only "probably" have but have "good" connections to to Russian government.

Overall you insinuate that there is a Trump Russia collusion and/or that Russia influenced the voters.

Now please, could show proof for every one of these single claims?

Posted by: Anon | Nov 1, 2017 6:51:26 AM | 66

Posted by: Anon | Nov 1, 2017 6:51:26 AM | 65

Does your brain function at all? Or are you a poorly programmed bot?

Let me repeat - Trump's election was a project run by the US-British-Israeli military-industrial complex. Russia might have been coopted but they were not in the driving seat.

What’s been lost in the US coverage of this “data analytics” firm is the understanding of where the firm came from: deep within the military-industrial complex. A weird British corner of it populated, as the military establishment in Britain is, by old-school Tories. Geoffrey Pattie, a former parliamentary under-secretary of state for defence procurement and director of Marconi Defence Systems, used to be on the board, and Lord Marland, David Cameron’s pro-Brexit former trade envoy, a shareholder.

Steve Tatham was the head of psychological operations for British forces in Afghanistan. The Observer has seen letters endorsing him from the UK Ministry of Defence, the Foreign Office and Nato.

SCL/Cambridge Analytica was not some startup created by a couple of guys with a Mac PowerBook. It’s effectively part of the British defence establishment. And, now, too, the American defence establishment. An ex-commanding officer of the US Marine Corps operations centre, Chris Naler, has recently joined Iota Global, a partner of the SCL group.

This is not just a story about social psychology and data analytics. It has to be understood in terms of a military contractor using military strategies on a civilian population. Us.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 1, 2017 7:39:28 AM | 67

somebody

You really are amazing, I ask you very specific questions repeatedly but all you do is coming back with slurs and deflection and you call me a bot? Sorry have no time for this.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 1, 2017 8:09:07 AM | 68

Oh Anon... you are amazing...
'Somebody' is making a sensible and not particularly controversial argument. I can clearly understand what he is saying and can clearly see that he has largely addressed all of your obtuse questions. 'Anon' maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension skills before you become riled up about what you think you have read.

Posted by: Køn | Nov 1, 2017 8:35:35 AM | 69

@somebody

About those Kremlin trolls:

A Brief History of the “Kremlin Trolls”

Everything what we know now about the so-called “Kremlin trolls from the Internet Research Agency paid by Putin’s favorite chef,” came from one source, a group of CIA spies that used the mascot of Shaltay-Boltay, or Humpty-Dumpty, for their collective online persona.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Nov 1, 2017 9:50:51 AM | 70

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Nov 1, 2017 9:50:51 AM | 69

The Saker is not really a neutral source.

There is a great summary of the conspiracy theories surrounding SLC group and Cambridge Analytica here

culminating in this "great question"

The real question that should be asked in Washington is: Why was a British intelligence & defence contractor, especially one involved in the 2004 Ukraine election mess and the Brexit Leave referendum, allowed to become embedded in the heart of the 2016 USA election?

if you prefer you can directly go to here:
A Special Relationship & the Birth of Cambridge Analytica

Bridging the Atlantic to bring radical nativists of Trump & Brexit together via military tech & ad money, one donation or dataset at a time.


Posted by: somebody | Nov 1, 2017 10:29:46 AM | 71

Køn

If someone claim something controversial, one should be able to provide proof of such claims instead of keep responding with non sequitur to deflect.

You are also free to show evidence for these claims I have asked for.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 1, 2017 11:22:41 AM | 72

@somebody

The Saker is not really a neutral source.
Wow... and you link to Meduza and Raw Story as credible sources? Whatever you think about The Saker, in my experience not only do they present facts that can be verified, they also allow and present differing opinions. When it comes to information that is not presented as opinion, for the most part they have been quite accurate.

But nice deflection. I present a source that provides details about the Russian troll factory and not only do you dismiss it, but you go off on a tangent with SLC and Cambridge Analytica. Out of curiosity I quickly scanned the first article and have to admit it came in handy... just the right amount of pages to print and wipe my ass.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Nov 1, 2017 11:36:53 AM | 73

"Let me repeat - Trump's election was a project run by the US-British-Israeli military-industrial complex. Russia might have been coopted but they were not in the driving seat."

What was it about Trump that united those actors? Repeating does not make it convincing.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 1, 2017 11:50:17 AM | 74

It is quite possible that Cambridge Analytica outsourced the "doing" to the Petersburg troll factory to disassociate themselves from it. This troll factory probably has good connections to the Russian state but it is privately owned.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 1, 2017 6:04:43 AM | 64

The laughable "Kremlin Troll Factory" probably doesn't exist


    A Brief History of the “Kremlin Trolls”
    9632 Views October 15, 2017 33 Comments
    A Brief History of the “Kremlin Trolls”

    by Scott Humor

    The best way to get information is to make it up.

    Everything what we know now about the so-called “Kremlin trolls from the Internet Research Agency paid by Putin’s favorite chef,” came from one source, a group of CIA spies that used the mascot of Shaltay-Boltay, or Humpty-Dumpty, for their collective online persona.

    They were arrested in November 2016 and revealed as the FSB and former FSB officers. One of them even managed a security department for the Kaspersky Lab. They all were people highly skilled and educated in manipulating and creating large online databases, in any online research imagined, and the knowledge of hacking and altering databases, including those that were run by the Russian government. They weren’t poor people. They weren’t there for the money. They were ideologically driven. Their hatred towards Russia and its people was the motive for their actions.

    At some point, Gazeta.ru, an online Russophobic publication, suggested that “Shaltai-Boltai was just a distraction meant to confuse everybody.” They themselves were more concise by stating that they were working to change the reality.

they made it all up, . . . . . .

. . . . .
. . . .just like you do

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Nov 1, 2017 1:00:13 PM | 75

The Saker is not really a neutral source.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 1, 2017 10:29:46 AM | 70

So what? Neither are you. At least he doesn't appear to be pretending to be something he is not. That's more than can be said about you, imho

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Nov 1, 2017 1:03:00 PM | 76

The Saker is not really a neutral source.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 1, 2017 10:29:46 AM | 70

So what? Neither are you. At least he doesn't appear to be pretending to be something he is not. That's more than can be said about you, imho

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Nov 1, 2017 1:03:00 PM | 77

@61 lozion - further to our conversation on that iraq/syria border crossing - southernfront has an article up on it with some comments from paveway which you and others here might find interesting..
https://southfront.org/iraqi-army-peshmerga-didnt-fulfill-its-promises-regarding-deal-over-faysh-khabur-border-crossing/

Posted by: james | Nov 1, 2017 11:19:47 PM | 78

@78 Yes james I’ve read that & your prior link txs. Elijah Magnier on twitter is following closely the situation. He fears clashes are about to erupt as KRG refuses to comply to release authority on « disputed territories », Faysh Kabour being one of them. The tactic seems to be to delay & escalate until conflict erupts then play victim and hope for external support. Meanwhile Al Qaim is being stormed..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 2, 2017 12:37:47 AM | 79

james, thanks for the link to SF and paveway's comment. Also Garga comment who had replied to paveway added to it.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 2, 2017 2:26:50 AM | 80

This is crazy:

Twitter Buried #DNCLeak, #PodestaEmails, Wikleaks Tweets In Last Two Months Of Campaign!
https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/7a73c5/twitter_buried_dncleak_podestaemails_tweets_in/

Posted by: Anon | Nov 2, 2017 4:26:39 AM | 81

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Nov 1, 2017 1:00:13 PM | 75

It is very unlikely just the CIA uses certain tools, don't you think?

Or are you saying Russia is not state of the art in cyber pace?

Posted by: somebody | Nov 2, 2017 6:31:08 AM | 82

add to 82

It is quite funny actually. All these tools - data-mining, facebook, twitter - are designed for global commercial, political offense. That they can be used the other way round, should have been obvious, but maybe not if you think you are exceptional.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 2, 2017 7:49:48 AM | 83

84
RT having fun on the claim Russia decided US elections

pointing out that Trump has been the Twitterer in chief ...

Posted by: somebody | Nov 2, 2017 8:41:12 AM | 84

84 more on the hedge fund insurrection

Since the IRS found in 2010 that a complicated banking method used by Renaissance and about 10 other hedge funds was a tax-avoidance scheme, Mercer has gotten increasingly active in politics. ... The IRS recently released a little-noticed advisory stating that its top targets in future business audits will include so-called “basket options,” the instruments that Renaissance and some other hedge funds have used to convert short-term capital gains to long-term profits that have lower tax rates. ... It’s illegal for the IRS to discuss ongoing tax cases, and the agency declines to comment about Renaissance. But in 2014, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations issued a blistering report detailing Renaissance’s use of so-called “basket options” trades by its employees-only Medallion Fund to slash taxes on $34 billion in profits. The panel estimated that Renaissance’s back tax bill dating to the earliest IRS audit would be at least $6.8 billion.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 2, 2017 6:12:47 PM | 85

John Kiriaku was interviewed by Jimmy Dore:

- Obama told Trump right after the elections in november 2016 that he shouldn't hire Michael Flynn. Trump hates/hates Obama so much that Trump brought in Flynn to become his National Security Advisor. Michael Flynn thinks that the rules and laws don't/didn't apply to him. After 32 days Flynn lost his job.

- Flynn had a meeting with turkish intelligence officers and told them that when he was appointed National Security he would allow the turks to kidnap Fetullah Gulen from Pittsburg to Turkey.
- Now Bob Mueller wants Flynn to testify against Trump. If Flynn refuses then he will likely go to prison (for 20 years ???).

Watch the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2Xvm4fceg

Posted by: Willy2 | Nov 3, 2017 12:29:37 PM | 86

- Former chair of the DNC Donna Brazile drops a bombshell:

"Hillary Clinton's secret takeover of the DNC"

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Posted by: Willy2 | Nov 3, 2017 12:33:23 PM | 87

- Brazile confirms that the DNC rigged the Democratic primaries to "undermine" Bernie Sanders.

(See post #87)

Posted by: Willy2 | Nov 3, 2017 12:36:07 PM | 88

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Nov 1, 2017 1:00:13 PM | 75

It is very unlikely just the CIA uses certain tools, don't you think?

Or are you saying Russia is not state of the art in cyber pace?

Posted by: somebody | Nov 2, 2017 6:31:08 AM | 82

add to 82

It is quite funny actually. All these tools - data-mining, facebook, twitter - are designed for global commercial, political offense. . . . blah . . . .blah . . . blah, . . .bullshit . . . more bullshit . . . . etc etc


Listen, arsehead, you made reference to "St Petersburg Troll Factory", to back up some BS point you wanted to make about Russia.

I then excerpted an article which showed that the troll factory in question had likely absolutely nothing to do with Putin or the Russian state and most likely was a CIA op designed to smear Putin and the Russian state as well as smear as a troll anyone that might ever defend them

Instead of acknowledging that the St Petersburg Troll Factory was probably a CIA-spread lie, with little or no basis in fact, you, like the complete lying little fucktard you are, just ignore all that and continue pretending that the CIA troll factory is some sort of proof that Putin and the Russians run a troll factory.

You really are a dishonest little turd, aintcha?

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Nov 3, 2017 2:37:56 PM | 89

Essentially you appear to be a very willing spreader of CIA lies.

(In this thread alone there a damn sight more evidence for my statement above ,than there is for any of your claims about Russian State Cyber hacks)

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Nov 3, 2017 2:40:52 PM | 90

Willy2 87

But the stupid propagandized western journalists shut up about this bombshell, on other news:

Mueller Is Investigating Tony Podesta's Ties To Manafort Lobbying Campaign on Ukraine
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-02/mueller-investigating-tony-podestas-ties-manafort-lobbying-campaign

Posted by: Anon | Nov 3, 2017 3:08:02 PM | 91

Trump says unsure if Tillerson will remain top US diplomat
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/11/03/540895/Trump-unsure-if-US-State-Secretary-will-keep-post

Posted by: Anon | Nov 3, 2017 4:16:13 PM | 92

@Anon (post #91):

Tony Podesta is "in the pocket" of the Democrats and that means the Democrats now have one problem more besides the "Uranium One".

I also believe that Bob Mueller (german for "Miller") indicted Manafort to distract/deflact attantion from the "Uranium One" scandal/problem. I wouldn't be surprised when Tony Podesta was sacrificed in an attempt to save Obama & Hillary Clinton (think: "Uranium One").

We have seen that before with Sandy Berger who confessed to save Bill Clinton's bacon.
https://conservativebase.com/convicted-document-thief-sandy-berger-secretly-worked-for-hillary-clinton-campaign/

Posted by: Willy2 | Nov 3, 2017 7:25:49 PM | 93

Here is a link from ZH that is quite educational from a visual perspective about the components of our global financial system and the tool within it that is about to used as a weapon in the global standoff that we are witnessing begin

All Of The World's Money And Markets In One Visualization

The tool I am referring to is derivatives. I don't have links to provide but it is my understanding that the elite have positioned themselves to minimize debt/pension funds/US Treasuries/etc. The aforementioned they do hold is now protected by derivatives (and their abuse of laws created to do this) that insure that they have first position to obtain "monetary relief" if the music stops.....yes, ahead of SS, pension funds, municipal bond, ad nauseum. And it is not just in the US that the elite hold these positions but all over the world.....so when the music stops, they are first at the trough everywhere.

I want to be a fly on the wall on the coming showdown meeting like the 1944 Bretton Woods one that set up America as being the Reserve Currency for the world. IMO, this is the sort of meeting where our centuries old form of private finance money/usury will continue or some change will be made...which I predict will occur. And then we get to speculate what the follow on implications of the new finance arrangement will be short and long term to our war torn world.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 4, 2017 2:47:17 AM | 94

psychohistorian | Nov 4, 2017 2:47:17 AM | 94

The anglophere has generally been able to give the peasants just enough to prevent the pitchforks from coming out. I am not sure they can continue doing this in the forseeable future. Russia and China understand pitchforks, as in recent history, they have wielded them.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 4, 2017 3:06:36 AM | 95

Willy2

Perhaps, but I rather think Ukraine-thiing it will be framed like this:

"Lobbyist helped Putin friend and pro-russian Ukrainian president"

It seems that the biased Mueller wont touch Democrats in the end of the day.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 4, 2017 4:16:08 AM | 96

Thanks for the post
By using your permission, I use your content in my articles

Posted by: بصیر | Nov 4, 2017 4:43:45 AM | 97

Very interesting: Trump and secessionism, by Thierry Meyssan


While the neo-conservatives were hoping to create a « world revolution » by exporting their form of « democracy » by means of war, President Trump is basing his foreign policy on the respect for State sovereignty. Consequently, he has put a stop to all US support for separatism. Thierry Meyssan reminds us here of the ambiguities in the US position on secession, then demonstrates the common features of the events in Kenya, Iraq and Spain.

..In 1861, Washington would not accept the will of the Southern States to continue living as a Confederation, while the Northern States intended to impose a Federation with customs duties and a single central Bank. As soon as he was elected to the White House, President Abraham Lincoln put down the secession. It was only during the civil war that followed that the moral question of slavery progressively identified the two sides.

During the construction of the Panama Canal, just before the First World War, Washington invented a Panamanian people, supported their movement to separate from Colombia, and was the first country to recognise their independence. Washington then installed an important military base and took over the construction of the Canal, de facto, right under the noses of the French investors. As for the pseudo independence, President Omar Torrijos, who renegotiated the sovereignty of the Canal in 1977, never saw it come to fruition, and was murdered in a plane crash. The Chief of Staff, General Manuel Noriega, never saw it either, when Washington decided to get rid of him at the end of the war against the Sandinistas (Iran-Contras). Accused of having been responsible for the death of a US soldier in 1989, he was imprisoned by the United States Army, and his country was then devastated during Operation « Just Cause » (sic)...

In 2005, the Kikuyu President formed an alliance with China. In reaction, the CIA gave its support to his Luo opponent. When they discovered that a US parliamentarian was a Luo, and that his father had been an advisor for Oginga Odinga, the CIA organised a trip to Kenya in support of Raila Odinga. Inserting himself into local political life, the senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, held electoral meetings with Raila in 2006, and went so far as to affirm that he was his cousin [2].

Since the United States organised a vast provocation by sending racist SMS messages to the Luos when the results of the Presidential elections were made public, and events degenerated, causing the death of more than a thousand people and 300,000 displaced, this operation has been expunged from memory.

Cambridge Analytica (CA), a firm close to the Pentagon which participated in the US campaign of Ted Cruz and then that of Donald Trump, acted as the advisor to Uhuru Kenyatta during the Presidential campaigns of 2013 and 2017 (in other words, while Steve Bannon was briefly a share-holder of the company) [3]. As for Odinga, he called on Aristotle Inc., a company which is possibly linked to the assassination of Chris Msando, the number 2 of the IT service of the electoral committee, who was killed by persons unknown on 29 July [4]...

When, in contradiction of his country’s imperialist policy, President Trump decided to destroy Daesh, and set his armies to work, the non-Kurdish populations living under the yoke of the Barzanis asked to be connected with Baghdad once again...

Barzani’s allies, although they assured that this was not the right moment for independence, nonetheless avoided denying the position that the Barzanis had allotted them – with the exception of Israël, which publicly supported independence...

President Trump had opposed both the project for the partition of Iraq and the recognition of the conquests of the Iraqi Kurds...

Claiming to be inspired directly by Macià, (and not his ex-leader, Jordi Pujol), and thus implicitly supporting the project for the annexation of Andorra and parts of France and Italy, Carles Puigdemont has never attempted to hide his Anglo-Saxon supporters. He is a journalist, and created a monthly magazine in order to keep his sponsors up to date with the evolution of his combat. Obviously enough, it is not in Catalan, but in English - Catalonia Today, of which his wife, the Roumanian Marcela Topor, has become the editor in chief. He also animates associations which promote Catalan independency, not in Spain but overseas they are financed by George Soros [8]

They believed they could count on the support of the United States and consequently that of the European Union. But President Trump did not support them any more than he supports the Luos and the Iraqi Kurds. As a result, the European Union remains opposed to this new State....


Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Nov 4, 2017 5:29:23 AM | 98

Antifa terrorists all over the world should be, after having confessed, exterminated asap.

Plot between US Anarchists/Al-Qaeda/Daesh uncovered by the FBI


On 30 October 2017, Regnery published Edward Klein’s latest book, All Out War: The Plot to Destroy Trump.

Klein had been editor-in-chief of the New York Times Magazine in the eighties and is also author of a book, one of the most damning indictments against Hillary Clinton. He thinks that the FBI has probably uncovered a plot, jointly thought up by US anarchists and jihadi groups.

Last July (2017), members of Oakland (an anarchist group) probably met two leaders of al-Qaeda on the sidelines of the G20 Summit in Hamburg (Klein published a copy of an FBI report on this subject as an annex to his book). Following this, one of these anarchists went to Syria to meet several Daesh leaders.

This would be the most dangerous conspiracy for the Bureau since the Weather Underground affair during the Vietnam War.

According to the FBI, the anarchists had probably received some training on how to make bombs and poison gas.

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Nov 4, 2017 5:34:12 AM | 99

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