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September 10, 2017

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still no change with yemen... no news.. no change... hope the freak at the head of sa is gone soon..

Posted by: james | Sep 10, 2017 11:32:50 AM | 2

nmb's tiny url post directs to:

https://failedevolution.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/firsthand-details-on-how-us-had.html

I've seen previous comments requesting nmb to desist, and nmb's response that this is up to the admin of the site.

Still, I don't suppose either would mind if individual posters take it upon themselves to post the full links.

Have a good AV installed, though. Just in case.

Posted by: poster formerly known as oneoffposter | Sep 10, 2017 11:55:01 AM | 3

Bringing over from the last topic (about the Intercept) two themes that were off-topic there.

The first is for Jackrabbit re Sanders

@40 (in the last thread) Jackrabbit

Your Addendum I absolutely agree with. Makes perfect sense. Worth repeating:
"Our discussion from the last thread is relevant here. Hillary's attack on [Sanders, in her book] allows Sanders to recover some of the prestige that he lost by supporting Hillary. Sanders can now help the Democratic establishment (of which Sanders is a part) to keep control by throwing his support behind a candidate that is acceptable to the Democratic Party."

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 10, 2017 12:10:34 PM | 4

Does Dier Ez-zor lead to open warfare between the SAA (and Russia) and the SDF (and the U.S.A.)? I can't imagine Syria ceding all the territory east of the Mesopotamia. And -- surprise, surprise -- the United States turns out to be the typical lying bastards they always are.

Posted by: rcentros | Sep 10, 2017 12:10:36 PM | 5

Latest from Yemen is that the Houthis were planning to arrest Saleh. RT has an article about Yemen today. A friend of mine in Sanaa says the situation is really hard.
https://www.rt.com/news/402755-war-disease-famine-yemen-crisis/

Another issue, may they all rot in hell: Sakashvili, who has been deprived of his ukrainian citizenship last july, blocked in a train at the poland-ukraine border, denied entry. He is wanted in georgia too.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 10, 2017 12:12:31 PM | 6

Sharmine Narwani has a new article on Israel's state of play published Wednesday. It details how "A once favorable balance of power has shifted, clipping Tel Aviv's wings." Israel’s Geopolitical Gut Check

It's a good read, and it stands in contrast to Andrew Korybko's latest piece that tries to make a case for Russia and Israel having an alliance greater than Russia's alliance with, say, Iran. I like Korybko and I think he's gotten a lot of things right, but I think he has this one wrong: Does anyone still seriously think that Russia and Israel aren’t allies. Summary: Israel’s latest bombing raid on Syria is confirmation that the Putin-Netanyahu Summit in Sochi was a lot more successful than some Alt-Media voices have led people to believe.

Koriybko took the latest Israeli attack on Syria as signifying permission, or at least sufferance, from Russia. He wrote this very shortly after the event before anything much was known about it. He infers that the Putin-Netanyahu recent meting was more successful for Israel than we thought. Commenters at the Duran were not impressed with the article or this view of things.

Narwani on the other hand in her piece refers specifically to the meeting and quotes Putin and reliable reports from the Kremlin (in Pravda) regarding Netanyahu's trip to Moscow, to show that Russia cleaves more strongly to Iran at present than to Israel. The language used in the meeting set forth a clear hierarchy of alliances, with Israel below Iran.

Highly recommend the Narwani article for those interested.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 10, 2017 12:12:47 PM | 7

Grieved 7

Be interesting to see if anything in this report

Wael Al Hussaini‏ @WaelHussaini 36m36 minutes ago
 More
Replying to @WaelHussaini
(4) the target was hit few KMs off #Sidon shore, sources are confirming that the F-15 was destroyed (the S-200 launcher after engagement)
https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/906906644252065794

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 10, 2017 12:25:32 PM | 8

I have been chafing when continually hearing reports of "mysterious helicopters rescue high-ranking ISIS commanders from Syria as SAA closes in" and "mysterious helicopters seen dropping off unknown persons and arms in northern Afghanistan" and "ISIS makes sudden appearance in northern Afghanistan, mysteriously." Doesn't take much of a rocket scientist to see that having lost the bid to conquer and/or fracture Syria, the creators of ISIS have decided to move them to Afghanistan where they can regroup, rearm, recruit, and foment new mischief in south/central Asia, Russia, China, and block the BRI. So I was especially pissy on hearing that over 20 such high ranking ISIS leaders had recently been rescued, knowing full well they'd soon be spotted in Afghanistan (as if the US hasn't done enough to ruin that poor country). But then I read the report at the following link (which I'm breaking to avoid breaking the blog format) from Ziad Fadel, a plausible account of how Russia was not amused by this latest large scale rescue and took steps to erase it. Fantastic if true. The fact that there are no reports of it in MSM makes it seem even more likely, as it's embarrassing for the powers that be. Just curious if anyone here has heard similar reports, or otherwise knows if Ziad (aside from being an amusing cheerleader) is on the up and up.


https://syrianperspective.com/2017/09/the-umar-daqneesh-propaganda-fiasco-3-days-to-
liberation-as-citizens-cheer-the-syrian-army-u-s-evacuates-isis-leaders-as-usual.html

Posted by: J Swift | Sep 10, 2017 12:48:15 PM | 9

Concerning shortened URLs:

nmb wrote:

< a href="http://bit.ly/2wGETdF" rel="nofollow">Firsthand details on how the US had undermined the nuclear deal with North Korea< /a>

I put a space after each "<" to disable their tag functionality. This is very nice in the sense that does not bust the width of the frame for comments, and it is informative. Some people object, basically, abbreviated URL does not give idea what it really is. And we all know about malicious spoofs, webpages that are "allegedly legit" and tell you to download the current version of this or that from the supplied link leading to the contamination of your computer, or just annoyingly freezing your browser or even computer. Then you do a hard reboot, browser (there should be a special hell for browser developers) automatically restores windows and promptly crashes again, but after few hard reboots things are back to normal -- hopefully.

People with hard experiences of that form and those who do not want to get such experiences have a preference for links that one can understand. But this is not the best way to do it:

"nmb's tiny url post directs to:

https: //failedevolution.blogspot.co.uk/ 2017/09/firsthand-details-on-how-us-had.html

I've seen previous comments requesting nmb to desist, and nmb's response that this is up to the admin of the site."

Again, I put spaces to disable the link. The best way is to enclose the longish link like that

"nmb's tiny url post directs to

< a href="https: //failedevolution.blogspot.co.uk/ 2017/09/firsthand-details-on-how-us-had.html>this site< /a>

Here it was harmless, but occasionally very long descriptive links mess the display of comments. On the bottom of the web browser page the link is displayed when you hover the cursor over the undelined text formatted by < a ...> text < /a> tags. And if the link is to long to read that way, one can click on "View" and then on "Developer" and then on "Page Source" and read the link. So not using bit.ly or a similar service is a proper netiquette.

On top of that, why involve some company in your comments? There is no legitimate motivation that I can see.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 10, 2017 1:02:32 PM | 10

@6 mina.. thanks.. "In spite of UN warnings about extremely high collateral damage caused by the airstrikes, the US and UK continue to supply Saudi Arabia with billions of dollars in arms.

The coalition of nine Arab states has carried out 5,676 airstrikes in Yemen so far this year, far surpassing the 3,936 launched in 2016." what is with the fucking world on this? no un security meeting to stop any of this... all, so they can reinstall the puppet living in a hotel in riyadh at present?? the usa and uk are morally depraved, but that is obvious for showing support for the headchopper country sa...

Posted by: james | Sep 10, 2017 1:03:49 PM | 11

New Yorker has a very informative article on the recent history of US relations with North Korea which abruptly went south after the Clinton administration (see failed revolution blog above) and continued south as US actions in the Middle East convinced North Korea that US diplomacy was unreliable (see Putin's exceptionalism).

In recent talks, when Americans have asked whether any combination of economic and diplomatic benefits, or security guarantees, could induce Pyongyang to give up nuclear weapons, the answer has been no. North Koreans invariably mention the former Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi. In 2003, when Qaddafi agreed to surrender his nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons, Bush promised others who might do the same that they would have an “open path to better relations with the United States.” Eight years later, the U.S. and NATO helped to overthrow Qaddafi, who was captured, humiliated, and killed by rebels. At the time, North Korea said that Qaddafi’s fall was “a grave lesson” that persuading other nations to give up weapons was “an invasion tactic.”

http://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/risk-nuclear-war-north-korea

Posted by: Les | Sep 10, 2017 1:27:49 PM | 12

"Larry Wilkerson: North Korea is Not an Existential Threat - But Many People Benefit by Saying It Is."

From TRNN:

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:19926:Larry-Wilkerson%3A-North-Korea-is-Not-an-Existential-Threat---But-Many-People-Benefit-by-Saying-It-Is.

Could we please leave nmb alone? Or do we not like the site referred to often?

Posted by: ben | Sep 10, 2017 1:27:49 PM | 13

@Grieved | Sep 10, 2017 12:10:34 PM | 4

Well said, EXCELLENT that sob Sanders part and parcel of the freaking DEMOCRAT party. Never again fool by another fake progressive. Never and never again!

I still remember Dennis Kuncich, sold his souls on single-payers onboard that freaking Obomo.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/kucinich-in-obamas-crosshairs.html

Dennis Kuncich, sold his soul on single-payers healthcare onboard Obama.. (above)..... can you trust Sanders? If I'm force at gunpoint to vote for any democrat and Thump.... I'll vote for Trump this time around. In 2016, did not vote for Hillary and just couldn't bring myself to vote for thump

Posted by: OJS | Sep 10, 2017 1:29:07 PM | 14

Believe voting in the U$A makes a difference? Might want to peruse these two links, and then decide.

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:19516:Empire-Files%3A-The-Hidden-Purging-of-Millions-of-Voters

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=14545

Posted by: ben | Sep 10, 2017 1:39:42 PM | 15

*bit.ly* or even HTML links with *bit.ly* targets cannot get into my browser because this is (outgoing) blocked by the "Block Site" add-on.

Sometimes I have to use the "Stylish" add-on with --> < Manage styles > to get to the settings.

I also use Void/Refracta (etc.) systemd-free Linux.

Posted by: blues | Sep 10, 2017 1:51:49 PM | 16

#10 Piotr,

You're absolutely correct, my bad. Thank you for setting out link posting etiquette (politely, I might add), which I will follow from now. I often read the blog via mobile and when the display is messed up, it can be very frustrating.

BTW, does anyone know a safe way to open tiny.url links rather than just clicking on them? I took a risk this time, but if there is a safer way I'd like to know of it.

Posted by: poster formerly known as oneoffposter | Sep 10, 2017 1:52:26 PM | 17

I have been demanding the elimination of of automated vote casting and counting since 2004.

I have also opposed "IRV", "approval voting", and all the other snake oil produced by the fake "election methods" industry. Until we get ("strategic hedge") simple score voting, we will be trapped by the spoiler effect and forced to choose between two nearly identical candidates.

Posted by: blues | Sep 10, 2017 2:08:10 PM | 18

@9 Or Western Myanmar, or Southern Philippines or North Eastern Nigeria or anywhere the Empire needs to prevent a shift to Multi Polarity..

Posted by: Lozion | Sep 10, 2017 2:09:08 PM | 19

"Dennis Kuncich, sold his soul on single-payers healthcare onboard Obama.. "

Of course not. He was only being strategic.

"Progressives" are the ones who sold their souls by abandoning Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: blues | Sep 10, 2017 2:14:36 PM | 20

"if there is a safer way I'd like to know of it."

Sure! get Void Linux or Refracta Linux or GhostBSD. You will be pretty safe! (Find with search engine.)

Also try the JSOff add-on. Hard to do anything with JavaScript off! (Need the Stylish add-on if the Firefox bug manifests -- Search for that too.)

Posted by: blues | Sep 10, 2017 2:21:33 PM | 21

@14 OJS

I should repeat that the original comment was Jackrabbit's. He had the insight that I quoted in italics. He and I had been conversing - maybe arguing - a little bit about Hillary and Sanders, and what he finally wrote in that quote seemed to ring so true, and encapsulate the strategy so well, that I wanted to agree with him publicly and also share the insight again.

I hadn't put it together that way but it makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 10, 2017 2:33:24 PM | 22

@17
Create a virtual machine (with Virtual Box for example) install an OS with a browser, copy paste the shortened link inside and open it in that web browser. If a virus would be installed (undetected) it would be hard for it to get out the virtual box if no drives are shared and the VM is for one time use. Of course, it's easier to avoid all those troubles by simply not clicking shortened links :-)

Posted by: xor | Sep 10, 2017 2:34:32 PM | 23

In other news: Sarah Abed has been kicked off Facebook.

Sarah Abed‏ @sarahabed84 37 minutes ago

It was only a matter of time, right? Speak the #truth & get slammed. Was not given a reason why my #fb acct of 10 yrs was disabled #censored

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 10, 2017 2:42:19 PM | 24

Crime and Punishment - Will the 9/11 case finally go to trial?
By Andrew Cockburn

Posted by: b | Sep 10, 2017 2:48:14 PM | 25

Po@5 rcentros
No. The process of the Syrian government and Russia has been to eliminate fronts, not create more.

Posted by: Cresty | Sep 10, 2017 3:11:59 PM | 26

Re: Sarah Abed booted out of Facebook, which we know from her Twitter (Petri Krohn, 24)
On one hand, Facebook belongs to a private company and if they are "public", their only obligation is to support their business model. Would ad revenue increase or drop if Sarah is booted out? And if it belongs to a private company, they can do as they damn please.

The problem is with "monopoly power". So far, Twitter seems to allow all and sundry, like opponents and supporters of Syrian government. But a coalition of advertisers or some other types of pressure can change it. Then you can go for Yandex or Baidu, I guess (Yandex is blocked in Ukraine). What else?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 10, 2017 3:14:58 PM | 27

@27 piotr.. yes, and they can continue to lie and do all sorts of other things too... people need to stop using the medium fb..
as b pointed out in a thread a couple of days ago - Facebook Blames Russia To Deflect From Fraudulent Ad-Sales.. more bs from bs corporations..

Posted by: james | Sep 10, 2017 4:19:26 PM | 28

@Grieved

Thanks for re-posting what I wrote.

I'm always surprised that people who are suspicious of politicians and the games that they play (time and time again) aren't more cynical. Paul Street and other pundits are either falling for the Hillary-Sanders tag team 'con' or deliberately enabling it.

PS We have definitely been conversing.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 10, 2017 4:23:37 PM | 29

Excellent analytic article explaining why Putin said "There will be no new Korean War," https://sputniknews.com/politics/201709101057270571-putin-korea-conflict-prospects-analysis/

This is a translated portion of a longer essay written in Russian by Wasserman for RIA Novosti, https://ria.ru/analytics/20170907/1501967677.html

Excerpt:

"'So far as I understand it, both Koreas remember the genocides that were arranged for them perfectly well, and do not have the slightest desire to allow anyone to repeat them,' Wasserman wrote. Therefore, he added, 'I am quite certain that among all the participants of the conflict in the Korean peninsula, only the US is capable of behaving inadequately and aggressively.'"

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10, 2017 4:52:23 PM | 30

If you thought that Trump's recent (supposed) capitulation meant that the Russian bashing is over, think again. And it's not just Facebook or others trying to deflect problems. The beating will continue until morale improves.

On front page of today's USAToday (distributed nationwide):

Alleged Russian political meddling documented in 27 countries since 2004
Documented!

They also promote an alt-Right connection:

Breitbart, other 'alt-right' websites are the darlings of Russian propaganda effort

Darlings!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 10, 2017 4:52:59 PM | 31

@27 Piotr

Of course. Fb has every right to deny service based on whatever criteria they deem appropriate. It is our job to spread the word to undermine the bootlicking of this neoliberal tool.

In my state, Oregon, there was a huge to-do regarding bakers being forced to serve for a same-sex marriage. They disagreed and faced the wrath of not only sjw Portland, but also the state AG. Regardless of what side you are on here, doesn't it make sense that the couple looking for baked goods for their wedding should have just found another bakery and instead publicly shamed the offending bakery (on fb and twitter)? Instead, the state got involved, the gay couple got a huge payout fo their "agonizing ordeal" and this divisive and meddlesome action has balkanized activist groups even more, fomenting anger and distrust, and further distracting the public from the misdeeds of the empire with identity politics.

Kind of a digression, but what I meant with this was growing the awareness of thought-monopolies and how to shame them.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 10, 2017 4:56:29 PM | 32

Xor & Blues - thanks for info re: how to open shortened urls safely. Appreciated!

b - where do you find this stuff! Thanks

#27 - your example in Oregon reminded me of a case in Northern Ireland a few years ago. NI Bakery refusal to make wedding cake supporting gay marriage. Is this a meme?

I have nothing against the LGBT community, but ... bakers?

Posted by: poster formerly known as oneoffposter | Sep 10, 2017 5:11:15 PM | 33

NemisisCalling @32--

Another Oregonian! I'm in Yachats. Agree that the "thought-monopolies" need to be exposed for what they are. As the Empire begins to die overseas, its insidiousness ramps up within the homeland.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10, 2017 5:12:27 PM | 34

Hey karlof. Yes, I know there are a few here. Psychohistorian and I are in the metro area here. I live across the Columbia in Vancouver where houses WERE affordable. I grew up Newport, though, and my father was the county planner for Lincoln county a long time ago. Beautiful to live here even with smoke filling our lungs right now. Cheers, and I appreciate all your excellent posts!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 10, 2017 5:29:53 PM | 35

from the Sputnik link-- why Putin said "There will be no new Korean War"
"The Korean War caused over 3 million civilian casualties, the vast majority of them in the north."
I've been around for a while, and I remember somebody who was in Korea describing how the US bombed Korean towns and cities.
The bombers came in three waves. The first wave dropped high explosive bombs, to blow the (mostly wooden) buildings apart. The second wave dropped incendiary bombs, to set the broken buildings ablaze. Then came the third bomber wave with fragmentation bombs to kill and injure any survivors and first responders.
It was mostly in the north, but also in the south, and naturally all Koreans are very aware that the US Air Force would have no qualms about a re-enactment. But now DPRK is not defenseless, as it was then, so the game might look the same but the rules are different.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10, 2017 5:47:49 PM | 36

Well, well, Waldport here; prior to self exiling. Did Astoria also, for almost 10 years.
Cheers.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Sep 10, 2017 8:05:11 PM | 37

Hey Karlof, small world, I live in Yachats Oregon too.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 10, 2017 8:12:59 PM | 38

Don Bacon

Yes DPRK has an equalizer

Posted by: @Madderhatter67 | Sep 10, 2017 8:35:11 PM | 39

>>>> J Swift | Sep 10, 2017 12:48:15 PM | 9

Just curious if anyone here has heard similar reports, or otherwise knows if Ziad (aside from being an amusing cheerleader) is on the up and up.

Both Popular Mechanics and The Daily Mirror (UK), among others, are reporting the rumour. But the Russians do have a 9000kg General Purpose Bomb (FAB-9000) that they could have used from a Tu-22M.

To use either Putin must have been pretty pissed off.

Perhaps a few seismic monitoring stations in the area have detected it but we'll have to wait for such confirmation.

Posted by: Ghostship | Sep 10, 2017 9:31:48 PM | 40

Re: Posted by: poster formerly known as oneoffposter | Sep 10, 2017 5:11:15 PM | 33

#27 - your example in Oregon reminded me of a case in Northern Ireland a few years ago. NI Bakery refusal to make wedding cake supporting gay marriage. Is this a meme?

As far as I know it's against the law in Northern Ireland isn't it? There is no such thing as gay marriage in Belfast, right?

So how could they be discriminating against something that doesn't exist?

Doesn't really make sense.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 10, 2017 9:35:28 PM | 41

Sounds you should all catch up for an MoA Oregon reunion. Very isolated areas some of you live in.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 10, 2017 9:43:51 PM | 42

<<<< Don Bacon | Sep 10, 2017 5:47:49 PM | 36
The Americans learnt that technique from the British who tested it out on the Germans and the Germans are still paying the price. The British even included the occasional delayed-action General Purpose bomb in the load to "double tap" the rescuers, but they could do it with a single aircraft which made getting all the components on target easier.

Posted by: Ghostship | Sep 10, 2017 9:47:00 PM | 43

A brief comment on the termination of comments on the blog Naked Capitalism. The owner, known as Yves, apparently was pushed to the limit moderating a crowd that seemed to be well behaved and interesting. Don't know how that goes, private blog, so it goes. As a reader this gate closing removes a lot of value from the site becoming a link aggregator with some original content.

Posted by: Duck1 | Sep 10, 2017 10:05:37 PM | 44

@44 Comments at Naked Capitalism look to be back but only for their specialty, fairly complicated finance and economics posts:
. . .private-equity-fees-by-outsourcing-to-blackrock. . .comments
I don't blame them, who wants to spend all their time moderating youtube-style comments on foolish issues? In that case, you've got a story about how California's public employees have their retirement pensions placed in the hands of a large Wall Street player with zero public discussion or media coverage - not a hot button topic, maybe, but that's the kind of thing people should be paying attention to, if they don't want to end up getting shafted by the plutocrats.

If you really want to know why Washington hates Putin so much, it's because he served a lot of Russian oligarchs with termination notices, and those oligarchs were lined up to feed cash into Wall Street from Russian oil, telecoms, etc. etc. This did have the beneficial effect of raising the average Russian standard of living over the disaster of the Boris Yeltsin years - which is of course a completely taboo topic for American media - since they're owned by very similar plutocrats to those who were running Russia in the 1990s! Omidyar, Bezos, Murdoch, that whole clan. Left, right, whatever, they're all billionaires with similar shared interests - namely, hanging onto their loot and avoiding the fate of Khodorkovsky, Gusinsky, Berzovsky etc.

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia is selling off its oil company with the aid of global consultants, who knows how that will turn out - another Shah of Iran situation c. 1979?
.../saudi-arabia-aramco-salman-mckinsey-privatization/

Posted by: nonsense factory | Sep 10, 2017 10:36:17 PM | 45

@ Duck1 about termination of comments at "Almost" Naked Capitalism

I was run out of NC for railing like I do here about private finance and the need to rid our society of it and usury. I haven't been back and have found other sources for the interest I found in her aggregation.

She ran out a contributor on labor statistics that I thought was excellent for having opinions that didn't agree with hers.

After a bit I suspect it becomes a bit tedious to defend the TINA position on the tools the global elite use to control Western nations and threaten the rest......at a comment level.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10, 2017 10:38:42 PM | 46

The SO and I had a nice time in some isolated Oregon areas last month - coming south from Spokane into northeast Oregon and the Wallowa Mtn area, Hells Cyn Rec area, good camping and hiking, towns of Joseph and Enterprise (two good Mexican restaurants at the latter) then to some wilderness south of Prairie City to witness the total solar eclipse -- got away from the crowds with my 4X to witness it. We will be back to the area.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10, 2017 10:43:06 PM | 47

SDF unstopped speeding toward Dier Ez Zor only 15Km away. My gut feeling SDF is the main stumbling block to Syrian unity.

My gut feeling Putin changing its stands and allow Syria "free-for-all"?

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/10-september-syria-today-sdf-forces-captured-the-deirezzor

http://syriancivilwarmap.com/

Posted by: OJS | Sep 10, 2017 10:51:04 PM | 48

43

Sorry, the destruction of cities was not a British invention.

German bombing of Rotterdam in 1940

German bombs on Coventry in 1940

Britain started the air war. That does not mean they were the only ones to have planned for it and doing it.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 10, 2017 10:56:22 PM | 49

@blues | Sep 10, 2017 2:14:36 PM | 20

Thanks, still remember vividly we had many friendly debates back in 2015 leading to Nov 8, 2016 before we voted. Let say we mutually disagrees. To each his own.. I will never vote for any democrats under any circumstances. Amen!

Posted by: OJS | Sep 10, 2017 11:00:44 PM | 50

Here is a link to a different subject than most discussed here

UC Berkeley researchers identify 27 states of emotion

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10, 2017 11:11:32 PM | 51

@Grieved | Sep 10, 2017 2:33:24 PM | 22

Sorrie if I misread your posts. No offences intended. I still hate democrats with passions after loosing everything back in 2008 housing meltdown - Kuncich, Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, bitch Hillary,... just to name a few bastards are worst than the Repug.

Posted by: OJS | Sep 10, 2017 11:18:52 PM | 52

I believe that Turkey has plans for SDF and Kurdish unity. --Destroy them.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10, 2017 11:38:10 PM | 53

@Karlof, Jason 38

Hey Karlof, small world, I live in Yachats Oregon too.

Greeting from the freaking blue State of CA. My kid moved to Oregon last week to “look see” if Oregon any betters. Me too thinking of moving up there. My other kid moved to Finland. During the early 70's while living in LA - traveled all over Washington and Oregon including South Dakota and loved it! BUT.... properties too expensive NOW. What's your views?

Posted by: OJS | Sep 10, 2017 11:49:00 PM | 54

And then there is this

60 Minutes interview with Steve Bannon (text link)

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10, 2017 11:56:36 PM | 55

Oregon has something that southern California doesn't have, water. The creeks actually have water in them! It sure beats drinking water from unknown sources out of disgusting plastic bottles.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10, 2017 11:59:22 PM | 56

What do people think of this interview with former US diplomat Priscilla Clapp, who suggests that the current Rohingya catastrophe has a lot to do with a secessionist civil war in Myanmar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1MoehFI3io
Normally I would be skeptical of somebody with her credentials, but she seems to be sincere and to know what she is taking about...

Posted by: what goes on | Sep 11, 2017 12:00:56 AM | 57

@Don Bacon | Sep 10, 2017 11:38:10 PM | 53

I believe that Turkey has plans for SDF and Kurdish unity. --Destroy them.

What plans Erdogan have in mind, care to share?

No way! Regime change continue. Can you trust Erdogan? Get real the endless was continue....

Millions more will dies and Amerika military industrial complex (killer complex) including EU, Brit, Israel continue to rack hundred of billions, NOT Millions.

We continue to votes for the lesser evils... who are the lesser evils now, do you know?

Posted by: OJS | Sep 11, 2017 12:08:36 AM | 58

Peter AU 1/8

Living some 6 birds-eye-view miles away from the Sidon Mediterranean coast (9 miles if driving through the knot of hills where I crib), I can attest that yesterday (late morning) there was a period of 5 minutes where much jet activity high and far up in the sky could be faintly heard, then... a mighty motherfucking great big 'booom', followed immediately by another one on its tail banged out low and close. It sounded like a sound-barrier breaking two feet above my head! I'm used to hearing israeli jets fly far-up overhead every now and then, though in the past couple of years, these illegal overflights over Sidon have practically ceased. Yesterday's boom was the loudest I've heard since I've been here (five years).

Turned out that for the first time, a Syrian missile chased away an israeli jet over Lebanese territory.

Good!

It is often said around here that the next (and last) war with israel will begin with the downing of an illegal israeli jet over Lebanese territory. My Brit/journalist house guest who's staying for ten days turned to me yesterday and cheerfully said: "I really hope the war starts before I get back to London - I don't even give israel a week in the next war".

Posted by: Taxi | Sep 11, 2017 12:09:09 AM | 59

Yachats is on the coast. One has to choose between coast and hills/mountains. I prefer the latter, because most people prefer the (dismal) coast. Get a feel. Go east from Eugene then south from Blue River to a soak at Terwilliger Hot Stream near Cougar reservoir. Heaven! Camp at French Pete CG. Site #13. You can't live there, but nearby is good.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2017 12:10:07 AM | 60

Another interesting, non-MSM perspective of the Rohingya situation, from what would appear to be an objective local source: https://frontiermyanmar.net/en/making-sense-of-a-deepening-crisis-in-rakhine

Posted by: what goes on | Sep 11, 2017 12:10:15 AM | 61

We dun have water problems, my County underground waters, Yosemite and Sierra mountains provided more water than we needs. Our reservoirs (2) provide water to Southern CA and even Nestles get (almost) free underground water and makes millions export to EU and everywhere...

Lets say I'm looking for a cheap livable house, nothing fancy for my final years. Even a blue state like Oregon is OK - away from prejudices and raciest elements. Like a 1-2 bd. BTW I'm a woodworker not by trades but hobby. I'm a retired engineer, now in Northern CA.

Posted by: OJS | Sep 11, 2017 12:35:29 AM | 62

i'm up on vancouver island.. i tend to tell nobody about it though, cause it's like paradise.. more people moving here though are lessening it...

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2017 12:47:32 AM | 63

And coming in on the left flank we have

BBC propaganda about Kurds

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 11, 2017 1:06:53 AM | 64

@james, lucky you. I almost landed a job in Courtenay a few years ago but it didnt pan out..

Posted by: Lozion | Sep 11, 2017 1:13:44 AM | 65

Don Bacon, I love the hills and mountains too, live about 7 miles inland up the Yachats River. The weather is closer to what one finds in the Willamette Valley then right on the coast. My tomatoes, winter squash, corn and hemp all do great. Terwillager Hot Springs and the surrounding volcanic Cascades are well worth the trip.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 11, 2017 1:24:07 AM | 66

@lozion - anywhere on this island is essentially beautiful.. i play music up in courtenay from time to time. i am further south..

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2017 1:26:11 AM | 67

@OJS 54. Housing prices have gone up a lot over the last decade, but are still generally more affordable then WA or CA. Finding good work isn't easy, but if one is retired that isn't an issue. Oregon is certainly a blue state, but I think identity politics gets dialed back a bit and there is generally a little more geopolitical awareness compared to other regions, although like most places in America, most people are painfully ignorant about the rest of the world. In any event, I live a hermits life and avoid most human contact, and coastal Oregon is great for that.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 11, 2017 1:37:21 AM | 68

@ Jason writing about Oregon

I live in Portland and am thinking about moving to a less metropolitan area again. I am not impressed with the values displayed by the massive imports over the past few years. Portland is as corrupt as any other big US city and yet folks talk of it as some liberal bastion that rises above corruption. Portland is home to the roaring teens (this century's repeat of the 20's of last century).

I keep telling myself how smart i was not to make kids to explain our world to but I still hope it changes for the better before I die.

OJS.....depending on your finances and social inclinations, Oregon offers choices for most. Reading about your worry regarding Blue Oregon look at Medford or Roseburg....maybe Bend if so inclined and financed.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 11, 2017 2:04:03 AM | 69

Duck1 @44

This is not the first time that NakedCapitalism has turned off comments. I think its important to note WHY comments have been turned off.

Yves (Susan Weber) turned them off during NC's coverage of the Greek-Troika negotiations. Although she correctly predicted that Tsipras would cave in to Troika demands, her coverage seemed to join MSM in ganging up on Syriza/Greece. The NC site was deluged with criticism. For example, at one point (weeks before the referendum in which the Greek people overwhelmingly said NO! to the Troika) Yves said that the Greeks never should have resisted the Troika.

Aside: The bigger story, I thought, was that the intimidation of the left so as to deny the Greeks any sympathy/support.

The current shut-down of comments appears to be(*) due to Yves insistence that the Civil War was due to slavery (something which was discussed at MoA also). Yet, that "truism" is debatable. Northern manufacturers made a great deal of money from trading with the slave states and wanted that to continue. Lincoln's election meant that the Northern manufacturers had the upper hand and could reverse a tariff policy that was favorable to the South.(**)

In fact, the South planned on setting up their own manufacturing to capture more of the profits. But they needed favorable tariffs to continue so that they could raise the capital to do so.

Furthermore, if the war was really about Slavery then why didn't Lincoln issue the Emancipation Proclamation on the first day of the war? It was issued 21 months (!) after hostilities broke out. Instead he talked time and time again about "saving the Union". It seems that Lincoln purposely left open the possibility of a 'compromise' that would allow slavery to continue. Such a 'compromise' would essentially force the South to accept a subservient position - eventually weakening their economy's to the point that slavery became unprofitable." But that weakening could take many years and the end result would still be:

- a much stronger North

- freed slaves living in apartheid states (essentially the state of affairs that actually occurred from 1865 - 1965).

Susan's position seems to cater to her preferred audience. The war was about slavery as much as he GWOT is about "freedoms" (as per GW Bush) - which is to say, "yes but ...". Northern and Southern plutocrats couldn't agree on how to divide the spoils. Both wanted the exploitation to continue - and it DID continue - long after the 1880's.

NC has also made other blunders that the readership was more forgiving about:

>> Mary Jo White
Susan took a guardedly optimistic position on the nomination of Mary Jo White for SEC Chair despite deep skepticism by progressives who were already disillusioned by Obama. MJW turned out to be as bad or worse than past SEC Chairs.

>> Progressive Change and the Democratic Party
NC has steadfastly maintained the position that it is better to work within the Democratic Party than to start over. They supported Sanders (though officially remaining neutral) despite criticism that Sanders was a 'sheepdog' that never tried to form and lead a Movement (though he could easily have done so).

Progressives that recognize that the Democratic Party is a tool of the establishment, see the "change from within" effort as foolhardy.

>> Black Lives Matter
Those who warned that the BLM sloan invited a backlash were told that they were denying Black agency. They had a grievance and how they responded should be respected. Identity politics is the bread & butter of the Democratic Party and a more confrontational approach that sharpens distinctions is a boon to the Party.

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* "appears to be" because I am relying on NC description of why comments were terminated. I have no reason to doubt this description. But many comments were likely 'moderated' so that we don't have the full story.

** Liberal sources try hard to poo-poo the tariff issue. For example, Wikipedia says:

The tariff issue was and is sometimes cited–long after the war–by Lost Cause historians and neo-Confederate apologists. In 1860–61 none of the groups that proposed compromises to head off secession raised the tariff issue.[42] Pamphleteers North and South rarely mentioned the tariff,[43] and when some did, for instance, Matthew Fontaine Maury[44] and John Lothrop Motley,[45] they were generally writing for a foreign audience.

Note the (1)unsourced assertions ("sometimes cited-long after the war by ... neo-Confederate apologists", none of the groups that proposed compromises"); (2)nonsense (Pamphleteers ... rarely mentioned the tariff); and (3)hedging ("generally writing for a foreign audience"). Just as today, plutocrats do not want propagandists to publicly discuss their financial interest as a motivating factor for war. But that would be something that is discussed by those more sophisticated or removed.

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Susan talks a lot about the 'Overton Window'. Her comments in this regard show her to be very sensitive to remaining 'relevant' to her liberal, institutional left audience. I suppose there is a place for that - but those who are unaware of Susan's positioning can be taken aback. IMO her advocacy for financial market changes is much more 'radical' than other areas.

Susan also wants NC to pay for itself and I bet she feels that she needs to be 'relevant' to attract an audience large enough to pay the bills.

We should not forget that Susan has made important contributions on matters like Private Equity abuses, the 2008 Financial Crisis, Fraudclosure, and other matters.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 11, 2017 4:25:46 AM | 70

psychohistorian | Sep 11, 2017 2:04:03 AM | 69

Found Portland to be somewhat provincial, faux progressive, over trendy, and quite full of itself. That seemed to start in the late 80's early 90's.
I moved to the coast 92. Pretty much a hermit there.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Sep 11, 2017 4:36:28 AM | 71

48

The power plays behind Russia’s deconfliction in Afrin

“Moscow wants to utilize Turkish assets in the upcoming Idlib operation where Turkey can establish a security belt along the Syrian border, where Ahrar-Sham and similar groups can be hosted to demarcate moderate opposition groups from terrorists,” Akhmetov explained.

“All in all, the presence of the Russian troops in Tell Rifaat may be seen as a buffer against unpredictable and hectic behavior of the Turkish decision-makers,” he concluded. “Russia's invitation to Turkey to participate in the Idlib operation and granting Ankara the status of a guarantor in the Astana agreements may also serve the same purpose.”

Russia is in Syria for Russia.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 11, 2017 4:47:14 AM | 72

According to Netanyahu's son, the Jews control the US.


The article originally appeared in the WP, but I read it in the Australian 'The Age'.

Posted by: Peter | Sep 11, 2017 5:01:52 AM | 73

Came across this at Wired;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKBhvDjuy0
It's called The Power of Ten; a fascinating 9 minute watch...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Sep 11, 2017 5:52:13 AM | 74

>>>> somebody | Sep 10, 2017 10:56:22 PM | 49

First read Don Bacon's comment then read my reply to his comment and the linked article and then look at the pretty picture and try to work out why your reply to my comment was stupid, ignorant and insulting, fuckwit.

Posted by: Ghostship | Sep 11, 2017 7:39:33 AM | 75

Gives a good idea of the citizenship of the IS people that were in Mosul: Turkish #1, central Asian republics next...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41225613

Posted by: Mina | Sep 11, 2017 8:17:33 AM | 77

When discussing Syria with "humanitarian interventionists", the topic of Assad as a mass murderer is always brought up. I ignore it because the United States is clearly violating international law by it's presence and arming terrorists against a sovereign country.

But after seeing the level of propaganda go off the charts, I'm starting to wonder if there is any truth to it. Are there any reliable sources of the supposed mass atrocities committed by the Syrians?

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Sep 11, 2017 9:19:20 AM | 78

But after seeing the level of propaganda go off the charts, I'm starting to wonder if there is any truth to it. Are there any reliable sources of the supposed mass atrocities committed by the Syrians?

A very curious post; you ask; is there any truth to it?
You may exhibit the embodyment of propaganda's effectiveness.
You are a weak sister; the enemy of truth; and obviously not one inclined towards the uncovering of facts in this situation.
Is their any truth to it; find out for yourself, moron!

Posted by: V. Arnold | Sep 11, 2017 9:35:09 AM | 79

@ OJS #58
re: Turkey will try to destroy any Kurdistan plans
After military shake-up, Erdogan says Turkey to tackle Kurds in Syria . . .U.S. backing for the Kurdish YPG fighters in Syria has infuriated Turkey, which views their growing battlefield strength as a security threat due to a decades-old insurgency by the Kurdish PKK within in its borders.
There have been regular exchanges of rocket and artillery fire in recent weeks between Turkish forces and YPG fighters who control part of Syria's northwestern border.
Turkey, which has the second largest army in NATO after the United States, reinforced that section of the border at the weekend with artillery and tanks and Erdogan said Turkey was ready to take action.
"We will not leave the separatist organization in peace in both Iraq and Syria," Erdogan said in a speech on Saturday in the eastern town of Malatya, referring to the YPG in Syria and PKK bases in Iraq. "We know that if we do not drain the swamp, we cannot get rid of flies.". . .here

Resentment over Sykes-Picot deal still drives Turkey foreign policy . . .Erdogan: 'We have always opposed Sykes-Picot because Sykes-Picot divided our region and alienated our cities from each other' . . .ANKARA - Resentment remains over the Sykes-Picot Agreement between Britain and France that carved up the Middle East from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire 100 years ago and continues to be a major factor in Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's foreign policy.
The May 1916 accord was signed 100 years ago on Monday by two British and French diplomats and drafted as defeat began to loom in World War I for Germany and its allies. They sought to create spheres of influence in the Ottoman-ruled Middle East which to a large extent helped define the borders of modern states including Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Israel. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2017 10:20:36 AM | 80

Is their any truth to it; find out for yourself, moron!

Some advice... we all make mistakes, but if you are going to call someone a moron at least use proper grammar. In my admittedly less than exhaustive search, I have only found references post March 2011 and from groups with no credibility: SOHR, HRW, SNHR, etc.

Maybe someone as intelligent as yourself could point a lowly moron in the right direction.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Sep 11, 2017 10:36:44 AM | 81

Syria is an ally of Iran and is in a key position on Israel's norther border, a connection between Iran/Iraq and Hezbollah, an outfit that defeated Israel in 2006. So naturally Syria "commits mass atrocities" by definition. The US and its allies stage some atrocities as a teaching aid. The US has also shot down a Syrian warplane in Syrian airspace, but that's okay with the UN ("atrocities" are not) even though the UN was set up to keep one country from attacking another.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2017 10:42:18 AM | 82

@ 17 oneoffposter

"BTW, does anyone know a safe way to open tiny.url links rather than just clicking on them? I took a risk this time, but if there is a safer way I'd like to know of it."

Right-click on the link, click on "Copy link location" and go to your word processor and click on "Edit - paste."

You will then see the actual URL.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Sep 11, 2017 10:56:51 AM | 83

Jackrabbit @70

The belief that the federal government was hostile to slavery and intent on abolishing it--true or not--was the reason given by the South Carolina secession convention for South Carolina's exit from the Union.

Perhaps the federal government didn't think it was about slavery--and it certainly wasn't, at least early on, it was solely about keeping the Union alive--but the South did and if their extemporaneous documents are to be believed, their fear of losing slavery was the main cause of the war.

"Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union"

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp

Posted by: sleepy | Sep 11, 2017 11:00:22 AM | 84

"So far, Twitter seems to allow all and sundry, like opponents and supporters of Syrian government."

When it comes to 'controversial' topics... well, whatever it leaves up, it leaves up for analytics, i.e., to see what you're looking at, sharing, and commenting about. You - the user - you're Twitter's real business. Same goes for Facebook. The company wants to keep tabs on you. Use your imagination to work out the end users of such rich veins of data. Their names aren't the names of ad agencies. (Especially not when we're talking about topics like Syria. Madison Avenue hasn't got nothing to say on that subject. It doesn't sell soap powder or soda.) The most prolific and enduring users of Facebook and Twitter data – the 24/7 users, not the occasional ones – are usually named with three-letter acronyms.

On the other hand, Twitter obscures and hides anything that it dislikes. Double plus ungood duckspeak opinions are walled off from the normies, each thoughtcrime community or topic isolated in its own ghetto. If your topic or hashtag is something the establishment dislikes, you can still post (so that Twitter can continue to profile you, and your networks and interests) but your voice won't be easy to find.

Try getting a trending hashtag that Twitter dislikes actually listed as a trending topic. The 2016 presidential election was a case in point. 1 million+ people using a pro-Trump hashtag? It's not gonna be listed as trending. Forget it. #TrumpParksInHandicappedSpotsAndTouchesDogDoo can appear in the official 'trending' box even if it's only being used by two men and a dog.

Twitter also lopsidedly stacks search results, especially by geographical area, and especially in relation to political subjects. Search for a topic that's sensitive to the Washington, EU, or Israeli establishments (or Lloyd Blankfein's mom) and the results will be 99% composed of tweets by Louise Mensch. (The 1% will be #TrumpParksInHandicappedSpotsAndTouchesDogDoo, just in case you'd forgotten.)

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"According to Netanyahu's son, the Jews control the US."

I have it on good authority that he's a rabid anti-semite. Haaretz was quite emphatic about it.

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@49

I've never seen the point in talking about national blame games. (Not that I think you're trying to do that.) All of us ought to be frank that the average person in most nations is essentially a slave to national/trasnational elites – usually financial elites, and usually disproportionately Ashkenazi – that will cheerfully cut our throats if a profit is to be had. In that light, I don't think of it as the US or Britain or Israel bombing a country: I think of it as Goldman Sachs, Soros, or the Rothschilds bombing a country. What the British, American or Israeli citizen wants is neither here nor there. (And hey, they can always be told their opinion. If you control education and media, that works pretty well.)

Fun fact: Israel has never has a non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister. They save the Sephardi for more important things, like irradiation experiments and invading Lebanon.

Posted by: I don't want to think of one | Sep 11, 2017 11:01:05 AM | 85

^^"contemporaneous documents"

Posted by: sleepy | Sep 11, 2017 11:01:56 AM | 86

When someone makes a big deal of a simple spelling mistake, that strongly suggests he has no better arguments to make.

Posted by: lysias | Sep 11, 2017 11:16:29 AM | 87

Deep South states like South Carolina seceded over slavery. Lower South states like Virginia refused to secede for that reason. They only seceded after Lincoln called on the states to provide troops to forcibly prevent secession. In the view of the Lower South states, Lincoln's planned use of force was unconstitutional.

Posted by: lysias | Sep 11, 2017 11:27:45 AM | 88

@87 lysias

Being that English is my second language, I make my fair share of grammatical errors. However, if I ever call somebody a moron and in the same sentence committ a grammatical error then I would deserve having it pointed out. Do you disagree?

But I do appreciate you interest in my comment. Would you like to contribute to my original question?

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Sep 11, 2017 11:36:15 AM | 89

I don't want to seem like a promoter, but Oregon does offer a multitude of differing places to live teeming with about as many sub-cultures having their own plusses and minuses. Yachats reminded me a lot of Hawaii, particularly Kauai, where I lived for goodly portions of the 80s and 90s, with its pahoehoe lava benches along the shore and about every shade of green imaginable. My home is in the Fog Zone about 300 meters from the ocean just outside of the Tsunami Inundation Zone, yet I grow a goodly amount of foods for our table. I've seen the occasional water spout just offshore as well as the numerous gray whales, seals and sea lions that inhabit our ocean. When circumstances permit, I fish, crab and dig clams, and I could hunt if I had that desire as many do. The wine and craft beer industries are great fun to explore as are the multitude of Farmer's Markets and U-Pick farms. And the economic/employment picture here is looking very good with closed to Full Employment. The coast shares the drawbacks of most rural regions, but the Valley's big cities aren't too far of a drive away. Then there're the Cascades, the Gorge, the "travel through time" in central Oregon, and the mountains and deserts in the East--all great temptations for closet geologists/rock hounds like me: A diversification of landscapes greater than my native California without all the people--yet. And, IMO, still affordable.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11, 2017 11:49:41 AM | 90

Recent US losses in the Middle East have caused concern in Israel, requiring US military assistance.
>In a recent article titled “Why Israel needs to Prepare America for the Upcoming War in Syria,” Jerusalem Post writer Eric R. Mandel (an American Zionist) proposes that the US government and people must be made war-willing partners of Israel in the event of any future attack by the Israeli Defense Forces against Syrian, Russian and/ or Iranian military targets. . .here
>During a speech at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Maj. Gen. Yair Golan said regional jihadist groups that the Israel Defense Forces has managed to take on do not pose the same level of threat as Iran. “We live in a world where we cannot operate alone not just because we have no expeditionary forces in Israel. And while we can achieve decisive victory over Hezbollah… and while we can defeat any Shia militia in Syria … we cannot fight Iran alone. . .So all right, they could affect us, we could affect them. . .But it’s all about attrition… If you want to gain something which is deeper, we cannot do it alone. And this is a fact of life. It’s better to admit that. We need to know our limitations." . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2017 12:07:54 PM | 91

@karlof1 #90
Thanks for that on Oregon, with a diversification of landscapes for sure. After recently getting stuck in the eclipse traffic southbound, and spending the night in remote but active Burns, we took US395 south through some truly desolate but beautiful landscape. I want to visit the Malheur region some day soon, Catlow Valley, Stevens Mtn, etc. Also Hell's Cyn to the north. . . .So many places-- so little time.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2017 12:20:34 PM | 92

@77mina.. thanks for that.. hopefully they can send all the isis families back to turkey where they came from... let erdogan work it out.

@78 tobin paz. personally i think it was a load of crap and more of the same propaganda that has been used for pursuing war 24/7..

john helmer has written on connections to canadian foreign minister and georgo soros for any canucks interested in this topic here..

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2017 12:26:31 PM | 93

sleepy @84

Yes, but ...

The North didn't seek to end slavery. They wanted to curtail it (e.g prohibiting slavery in new States) and make it uneconomical (by tariffs that shifted profits to northern manufacturers). The South saw the writing on the wall and exercised rights they believed they had. The war was due to the refusal of the North to recognize the right of Southern states to leave the Union.

The Union refused to recognize that right NOT because they wanted to end slavery but because the Confederacy was potentially a powerful adversary. If it was REALLY about ending slavery Lincoln would've issued the emancipation proclamation much sooner.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 11, 2017 12:40:20 PM | 94

@93 James

I have no doubt that it is based on propaganda to push for war. I just find it hard to believe that after pushing for intervention in Libya, Chomsky would be so stupid as to repeatedly refer to Assad as a butcher. If there is absolutely no credible evidence then this would be an opportunity to expose him as a war propagandist.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Sep 11, 2017 1:13:40 PM | 95

@95 tobin... i think you are right about that.. i don't doubt that bashar assad ruled with a tight fist, but i think butcher is a pretty harsh description.. do we read regularly by the msm or chomsky that israel is a butcher of the palestinian people? the reason i ask is, there is a lot of hardship being put on people for various different reasons - none of it generally in keeping with the concept of freedom and democracy that is always trotted out when discussing what is happening in other countries.. in fact, the usa itself has a long history of hostility and discrimination, in spite of what it likes to proclaim for the present.. this is especially true in its pursuit of wars around the globe... now, if someone was to say - the usa is a warmongering butcher - i would have a much easier time with it.. chomsky is a bit of a one trick pony in some respects.. that is how i see him..

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2017 2:47:44 PM | 96

psychohistorian @ 69

karlof1@90 has some good points about Yachats. Now living in the Sequim WA area but lived in Oregon for more than 30 years. My wife keeps showing me affordable houses for sale in the Yachats area even though we are too old to move again. We have a nice home on a wooded lot with a well and wildlife. Planted rare Wollemi pines to reintroduce them to the Coniferous biome http://wollemipine.com/

Like V. Arnold@71 we try to avoid our neighbors who are generally institutionalized by the government and mass media and waiting to die. No sense trying to change them as "you cannot fix stupid".

Yachats offers a lot in terms of a diverse environmental conditions for those who enjoy nature. Really like the French restaurant "La Serre" before it closed down. Now we stop at the Green Salmon for a laid back eating experience (like the Beanery on Corvallis). Great beaches in the area, especially Ona beach to the North. Really enjoyed doing oceanographic research off the Oregon coast back in the 1980s.

Coastal inhabitants seem to have more character and have less need to be surrounded by people. There are, a wide range of social activities in Yachats for those that need that sort of thing (especially women).

Posted by: Krollchem | Sep 11, 2017 3:21:27 PM | 97

Chomsky = Controlled Opposition.

The 'tribe' has drawn a line in the sands of Syria and Chomsky-comsky will do his part. Hence his (predictable) hypocrisy.

People call him 'clever' but let's face it, he's by far more boring than clever.

Posted by: Taxi | Sep 11, 2017 3:31:01 PM | 98

Julian #41
Sorry for late reply. Was making IKEA furniture yesterday and working today.

Same-sex marriage is unlawful in NI, yes. But the case I was referring to was of a bakery taken to court by a same-sex couple for refusing to make said cake. BTW, the couple won their case in 2015 (regardless of whether same-sex marriage is recognised in NI or not), and the story linked refers to the bakery's taking of the case to the Supreme court.

In 2015, a Belfast District Court ruled that the Ashers Bakery’s refusal to bake the cake amounted to “a clear case of discrimination”.

Late last year, the bakery lost an appeal to that ruling.

The UK Supreme Court will hear an appeal to the case in October.

I was just surprised to hear of a similar case in Oregon.

Posted by: poster formerly known as oneoffposter | Sep 11, 2017 3:48:02 PM | 99

@98 taxi.. i think you have a good read on him and it's how i read him too - unfortunately.

amazing how many regular posters are in the cascadia part of the world! us dreamers have to stick together, lol...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2017 3:53:09 PM | 100

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