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June 02, 2017

France Debunks "Russian Hacking" Claims - Clinton Again Loses It

In April the New York Times, published this bullshit: Russian Hackers Who Targeted Clinton Appear to Attack France’s Macron

The campaign of the French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron has been targeted by what appear to be the same Russian operatives responsible for hacks of Democratic campaign officials before last year’s American presidential election, a cybersecurity firm warns in a new report.
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Security researchers at the cybersecurity firm, Trend Micro, said that on March 15 they spotted a hacking group they believe to be a Russian intelligence unit turn its weapons on Mr. Macron’s campaign — sending emails to campaign officials and others with links to fake websites designed to bait them into turning over passwords.

The group began registering several decoy internet addresses last month and as recently as April 15, naming one onedrive-en-marche.fr and another mail-en-marche.fr to mimic the name of Mr. Macron’s political party, En Marche.

Those websites were registered to a block of web addresses that Trend Micro’s researchers say belong to the Russian intelligence unit they refer to as Pawn Storm, but is alternatively known as Fancy Bear, APT 28 or the Sofacy Group. American and European intelligence agencies and American private security researchers determined that the group was responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee last year.

The "Macron attack" was very curious. Gigabytes of campaign emails were released by "the hackers" just hours before a media silence period before the election. The campaign immediately found fakes with Cyrillic markings and blamed "Russia". None of the released emails contained anything that was even remotely scandalous. It was likely a planned Public Relations stunt, not a cyber attack.

That NYT report was complete nonsense. The "cybersecurity firm" it quoted was peddling snake oil. Phishing attacks are daily occurrences, mostly by amateurs. Phishing emails are not cyber attacks. They are simply letters which attempt to get people to reveal their passwords or other secrets. They are generally not attributable at all. Likewise APT's, "Advanced Persistent Threats", are not "groups" but collections of methods that can be copied and re-used by anyone. After their first occurrence "in the wild" they are no longer attributable.

That isn't just me saying so. It is the head of France's cyber security agency:

The head of the French government's cyber security agency, which investigated leaks from President Emmanuel Macron's election campaign, says they found no trace of a notorious Russian hacking group behind the attack.

In an interview in his office Thursday with The Associated Press, Guillaume Poupard said the Macron campaign hack "was so generic and simple that it could have been practically anyone."

He said they found no trace that the Russian hacking group known as APT28, blamed for other attacks including on the U.S. presidential campaign, was responsible.
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Poupard says the attack's simplicity "means that we can imagine that it was a person who did this alone. They could be in any country."

If, as the NYT claims, the authors of the attack on the Macron campaign were the same as in the Clinton case then the Clinton campaign was likely not hacked by Russians.

That will of course not hinder Clinton to claim that "the Russians" were the ones who caused her to lose the election. Clinton has by now listed 24 guilty persons and organizations that caused her loss. She is not one of them.

In her latest Clinton

suggested that Russia or Trump were somehow behind a deliberate inflation of his numbers of twitter followers through the use of bots, because [Trump's] European and Middle East tour had been a flop.

'Who is behind driving up Trump's twitter followers by the millions?' she said.

'We know they're bots. Is it to make him look more popular than he is? Is it to influence others? What is the message behind this?

The Clinton claim of "driving up Trump's twitter followers by the millions" is fake news based on a hoax. Twitter Audit, where Clinton got the bot numbers from (h/t @LutWitt), says that of the current 15 million plus followers of @HillaryClinton only 48%, or 7,605,960, are real and 8,108,833 fake.

For the @realDonaldTrump account Twitter Audit finds that 51% of its 30 million+ followers are real. Not a great margin but still better than Clinton.

Clinton once famously said "We came, we saw, he died" and laughed (vid). She was talking about the murder of Muhammad Ghaddafi of Libya. She still does not understand why people might be turned off by her vile character. She should take more time to talk with her daughter. Chelsea for one does not like gags about killing presidents:


Hillary Clinton lost it (vid - see her off-the-meds rants on the election starting at 12:00 min). She needs a vacation on some lone island and a long period of silences in some remote cloister. Anything she adds now only reflects badly on her.

Posted by b on June 2, 2017 at 02:21 AM | Permalink

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Looks like the hacking story didn't age well - very much like Clinton herself *badumtsss*

Posted by: Grim Deadman | Jun 2, 2017 4:11:58 AM | 1

Chelsea's tweet is Telling us that the neocons will try to install her in the White House next.
As for Hillary, someone get her an (un)padded room.

Posted by: Stefan | Jun 2, 2017 4:14:41 AM | 2

Funny how western MSM totally block these news. But thats the propaganda we know so well from the same culprits.

Clinton is also obviously mentally ill, spreading all these conspiracy theories and fake news against Russia and Trump and the equally mentally ill MSM is giving her all the space.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2, 2017 4:25:31 AM | 3

Cheers, b
Entertaining read!

Posted by: AtaBrit | Jun 2, 2017 4:38:11 AM | 4

The Macron team has been brilliant in manipulating the French media. When the hack happened, every single gov and non gov media was blaming the Ruskis, so that ppl voted Macron blindly thinking great he is anti "popovs". But for a guy who believes himself the new De Gaulle, they'll be suprised...

Posted by: Mina | Jun 2, 2017 5:10:43 AM | 5

Reading this is more surprising "None of the released emails contained anything that was even remotely scandalous."
That has been the line of the Fr media since AFTER the election. In fact; there are orders for amphetamines paib in bitcoins and a possible allusion to a cocaine order. How can those emails be considered fakes when the rest is not? Some media are now using the mails related to the financial system of the newly set Macron party as genuine, so how do they sort them out?

Posted by: Mina | Jun 2, 2017 5:12:54 AM | 6

@ Mina | Jun 2, 2017 5:12:54 AM | 6

Good questions. Those e-mails are fake only if somebody wants them to be is the only answer to that. Remembering facts are so 20th century anymore. As for the financial e-mails, don't overlook you are now in the era of macron-omics, fit for a seat at the Mad Hatter's Tea Service. France had its chance but went along anyway with the obvious and status quo.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 2, 2017 5:54:27 AM | 7

The Great Unraveling: The crisis of the post-war geopolitical order


Less than a week after US President Donald Trump returned to the United States from his overseas tour of the Middle East and Europe, it is clear that a shift in world politics with vast implications is underway. Global relationships and institutions that for decades set the framework for international economy and public life are rapidly unraveling.

The rising threat of trade war and the resurgence of the military ambitions of all the imperialist powers are signs of the advanced state of collapse of the international institutions created after the United States emerged from World War II as the dominant imperialist power.

A 1992 Pentagon strategy paper asserted that Washington had to convince “potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture,” and to “discourage them from challenging our leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic order.”

A quarter century later, this policy has failed. It led to a series of imperialist wars and interventions by the NATO powers, led by the United States, that shattered Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, and other countries. While costing millions of lives, destroying entire societies, and creating the greatest refugee crisis since World War II, these acts of militarism have produced debacles and failed to reverse US imperialism’s fortunes. Now, a new stage of the crisis has been reached: The United States’ imperialist rivals are preparing direct, far-reaching challenges to US imperialism’s global primacy.

These tensions are not simply the product of the extreme nationalist policies of the current occupant of the White House, however. Indeed, as the Democratic Party relentlessly demonizes Russia and accuses it of subverting American democracy, it is ever clearer that a victory of Hillary Clinton in last year’s US presidential election would not have resolved the conflicts with Europe. Rather, the tensions are rooted in deep contradictions between the interests of the major imperialist powers, which twice in the last century led to world war.


the trots see both the german-chinese and the japan-india blocks in opposition, as militarist resurgences, this time with germany and japan forming competing axes. with the micron riding mutti's coattails.

but the us block is shrinking to the 'stalwart' five eyes. although it is good to see the decline of the us accelerating, it is hard to view all this as an improvement.

it does seem the decline of the usofa is accelerating and that it may reach critical mass before anyone expected just a few weeks ago.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 2, 2017 6:56:32 AM | 8

It is a long held opinion of mine, based on what I observe over a relatively long life, that most politicians who seek high levels of power are driven by needs and desires which quite often include sociopathic needs. Many successful politicians often display other pathological tendencies (lying, misleading, manipulation of others, self-glorification, egotism and deep insecurities as well as pursuit of wealth and public acclaim). It seems politics attracts people of this kind and the atmosphere exaggerates and encourages them.

One other tendency also seems to stand out: attributing all manner of base and ugly intentions on others without real proof. This, I believe is founded on the real understanding of the accuser that he or she would do just that if given the chance. Look into your own heart and project onto others what you find there. It is fair to fear the worst of others but it can be catastrophic when those fears are acted upon as if the other party were guilty. Sort of, "Shoot first and ask questions later." Not the kind of neighbhour any rational person would want. Yet we choose them to lead.

Posted by: justacynicalrealist | Jun 2, 2017 7:07:40 AM | 9

@9

We don't choose them to lead.

Posted by: crone | Jun 2, 2017 9:21:00 AM | 10

In regard to Japanese and German militarism, both nations have the capacity to become nuclear weapon states, and Japan is certainly poised to become one any time it so chooses. Joe Biden made this clear a year ago, when he noted that Japan could have nuclear weapons "virtually overnight" if it wanted to. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/06/24/national/politics-diplomacy/japan-get-nuclear-weapons-virtually-overnight-biden-tells-xi/

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 2, 2017 9:54:45 AM | 11

2That will of course not hinder Clinton to claim that "the Russians" were the ones who caused her to lose the erection."

-there, fixed it for you.

Posted by: Mein Fritze | Jun 2, 2017 10:04:38 AM | 12

Posted by: Mina | Jun 2, 2017 5:12:54 AM | 6

It would be easy to place fakes if I understand the US hacking software that wikileaks published correctly.

Wikileaks kept a distance from the leak except an ambiguous comment by Assange. Since that comment Wikileaks kept quiet.

The fact that it was published so late with nobody having the chance to look through probably means there was nothing in it, just hoping that people might assume something to be there.

Russia has a very real right wing populist movement of his own, and it is this movement that supports world wide populism including Trump. Putin calls them "patriotic hackers" and puts some distance between the Russian state and these activities (same as US think tanks are not the US state), but they get encouraged and used by the Russian state when needed like in Ukraine.

It is an uneasy alliance as they are a very real threat to the Russian state itself.

“The worst thing that had happened to the leaders of the rebellion was that in the end Mr. Rutskoy and Mr. Khasbulatov, the leaders of this anti-Eltsin section, seeded control over the opposition to radical nationalists, Antisemites and paramilitaries that in the end ruled Russia in the White House and the Parliament building”, he said.

These people captured the Moscow city hall, which is right across the White House, and attempted to cease Russian television in Ostankino. The events made Boris Yeltsin convince the army to go for the operation. On October 4, he ordered the army to storm the parliamentary building. The leaders of the resistance were arrested.


The "West" does not mind supporting Navalny in Russia who is a right wing populist himself.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 2, 2017 10:56:51 AM | 13

@3

Daily Fail is a major media outlet. They ran it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4560344/Hillary-Trump-colluded-Russia-create-fake-news.html#comments

Posted by: SmoothieX12 | Jun 2, 2017 10:58:26 AM | 14

SmoothieX12

No I meant that MSM is silent on the fact that there wasnt Russia concering the Macron hack, and if some msm reporting it it is giving zero exposure.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2, 2017 11:14:02 AM | 15

Interestingly, Clinton's backers in the legacy media are growing tired of her "not my fault" rant. The red line that she crossed was her criticism of the DNC's data analytics. This spurred a raft of recriminations: Obama starved the DNC; poor Wasserman-Schultz had nothing to work with. Hillary had the data that Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were in trouble and did nothing.

The Democrats are a party in real trouble.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jun 2, 2017 11:19:01 AM | 16

but the Bulgarian paper which gave the name of the so called FSB guy published some mails and pointed to the metadata as possibly leading very easily to the xerox machines used to make some of the pdf in the files
there was a retweet by wl on the day after which was about a french guy who had put a link to the place where the files were pubished and immediately received a lawyer's letter
anyway the frenchies don't read english, so it is not about the time between the publication and the election, but for the perfect blackout in the msm and good reactions of the culprits (we've planted fakes) and for the fact they are not interested in the internet outside french borders

Posted by: Mina | Jun 2, 2017 11:29:26 AM | 17

Posted by: Mina | Jun 2, 2017 11:29:26 AM | 17

A blackout shortly before elections makes sense - otherwise you do politics by rumour.

No organisation is capable of deciding what is fake and what not with megabytes of emails. To put a researcher to work on it would still not solve it.

So yes, Macron campaign statement "there are fakes in it" was preemptive.

To hack stuff and trust someone will read it ...., well you can always hope.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 2, 2017 11:52:09 AM | 18

i am so tired of this 'russia bogeyman' thing the msm has going... i am even more tired of hearing about hillary clinton.. what a hopeless person..

Posted by: james | Jun 2, 2017 12:51:40 PM | 19

This is rather droll:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/02/vladimir-putin-russia-us-election-hacking

Posted by: Cousin Jack | Jun 2, 2017 1:51:18 PM | 20

Europe is shocked that Trump did what he said he would do and reneged on the Paris Climate Treaty; but as Mercouris points out, the Europeans have only themselves to blame. At first glance, I thought Mercouris had made a big error; but upon reading his essay, his reasoning is very sound and I must agree with him, http://theduran.com/europe-blame-trump-paris-climate-change-pullout/

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 2, 2017 2:30:00 PM | 21

bombing the shit out of other countries and climate control just don't go hand in hand... wonder when the puppets in europe, or the west actually recongize what a lying decietful game they are playing with people of climate control... oh yeah and walmart needs more people on the planet to generate more sales of plastic products from china.. and the beat goes on...

Posted by: james | Jun 2, 2017 2:35:50 PM | 22

Clinton does not have a choice at this point b but to take shrill to new levels.

She herself is a war criminal and she may live to be prosecuted for such.

The party she represents is corrupt to the core and it is in defense mode as well over its facade of populism...who is really behind the Seth Rich murder?

How fast can the Merry-Go-Round spin before big parts start flying off? I think we are about to see.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 2, 2017 3:03:42 PM | 23

@jfl | 8
Excellent link. Cheers.
There has been a palpable shift in global dynamics since Trump's tour. No question about it.
I am optimistic.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Jun 2, 2017 3:24:21 PM | 24

Hillary Clinton really is a disgusting critter. The presstitute media bias during the election campaign probably never has been so much in favor of one person. Even Google and Facebook participated in the public manipulation and still she keeps claiming it's the other way round. And then we're not even talking about DNC whistleblower Seth Rich who was set as an example.

A part from Trend Micro joining the desinformation circus, it is and always delivered crappy software. Even last year their products that are supposed to protect their users against virusses and remote attacks in fact facilitated these: "PCs running Trend Micro's Windows antivirus can be hijacked, infected with malware, or wiped clean by any website, thanks to a vulnerability in the security software."
and "Because the password manager was so badly written, Ormandy found that a malicious script could not only execute code remotely, it could also steal all passwords stored in the browser using the flaws in Trend's software – even if they are encrypted."

Trend Micro AV gave any website command-line access to Windows PCs

So a part from writing fake secutiry software, they also make fake statements and perform fake research.

Posted by: xor | Jun 2, 2017 3:33:58 PM | 25

psychohistorian @ 24

My thoughts, too. After juggling so many schemes and dark deals over the years, the liar's mind just cracks up. Pretty soon we'll be hearing about the skunkworks at area 51 targeting her with death rays.

Her family should get her into a comfy retirement before she does more damage to herself and others. If her daughter wants to pick up the baton, that's fine. I hope she runs for a democrat seat.

Posted by: stumpy | Jun 2, 2017 3:56:19 PM | 26

Aslong as MSM gives her conspiracy theories space this maniac will live on.

I cant believe so many people, majority of western people, believe her on Trump, Russia etcetera. Classic brainwashing.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2, 2017 4:15:45 PM | 27

The Russians did it from their secure cubicles in Langley, VA. We all read Wikileaks' expose Vault 7.

Heads Up Killary.
Seth Conrad Rich’s life may have ended by assassins. Total legacy Media blackout but They will be found.

http://sethrich.info


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RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 2, 2017 2:30:00 PM | 21

This Climate Change program is a money scam. Lloyd Blankfein railed against Trump as his CCE) money bowl is affected. The whole green tax, carbon emissions credit trading makes no sense whatsoever. Just another financial vehicle.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/climate-change-global-warming-and-the-carbon-finance-business/5365419

Recall the dinosaurs; they forgot to tax the autos, and the factories’ carbon emissions. Oh my, look what happened to them!

My weather guy/gal's 24-hr forecast taken from NOAA is always inaccurate. Never mind forecasting the next 30 years.

Garbage in, garbage out. Is earth cooling or warming?

When promoters of Climate Change ignore the Milankovitch Cycles we are being deceived.
LINK

Ice once covered the Equator
LINK

USA-Canada Equator Belt
LINK

Natural Variability
LINK

Posted by: likklemore | Jun 2, 2017 4:19:16 PM | 28

HRC and Trump both work for the same team. Clinton is doing her part by creating the illusion there are actually choices between the two parties with her constant whining about the election. Trump is doing his part by distracting the sheep with weird behavior, while his corporate cronies ready the American sheep for a good shearing.

Posted by: ben | Jun 2, 2017 4:21:35 PM | 29

P.S.--Should have put the word "election" in quotes. We, in the U$A, no longer have Presidential elections, we have selections.

Posted by: ben | Jun 2, 2017 4:26:58 PM | 30

@ Ben who wrote about American sheep....


BAAAAAA!

And we/I come here and spew textual white noise while humanity enters Hospice.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 2, 2017 4:28:51 PM | 31

re:Clinton does not have a choice at this point b but to take shrill to new levels.She herself is a war criminal and she may live to be prosecuted for such.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 2, 2017 3:03:42 PM | 24.

I watched her May 31, 2017 live interview on youtube and my first thought was, "You clever rascal, you are lying as fast as you can in order to taint the jury pool." No one ever said she was stupid; evil, corrupt, soulless, yes. But never stupid.

Posted by: frances | Jun 2, 2017 5:19:48 PM | 32

Speaking on the hatred for Trump,
this is another woman that is completely mentally ill:

Kathy Griffin: I am the victim - not Trump!
https://twitter.com/ABCWorldNews/status/870679050804633602

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2, 2017 6:18:17 PM | 33

In that bizarre Clinton clip, where she channels Julius Caesar (whom she still hopes to be)--clapping her hands and shouting, "We came! We saw! He DIED!!!" on hearing the news that Gaddafi had been raped and gutted with a bayonet by US-supported Al-Qaeda "rebels" whom she had visited in Libya just a week before--the CBS reporter rhetorically asks her if Clinton thinks her own visit had anything to do with this event. And Clinton amazingly answers: "It did." I had to play the clip 3 X to believe it. But that's what she actually said!

Posted by: Dr. Bill edin | Jun 2, 2017 8:54:49 PM | 34

Hillary appears to be quiet depressed, still, and in denial but she really can't admit the truth without completely pissing off her sponsors and future $500K a shot speaking gigs.

She can't come out and admit that the people didn't want her because she is a corrupt corporate/wall st whore and war monger and that the Dem playbook of identity politics failed because neo-liberalism has screwed over too many people. She can't admit that she has no personality and that she comes across has cold, fake and contrived either.

She really has no choice but to keep pointing fingers elsewhere because admitting the truth would be the end of her new career and the end of the political career she is pursuing for Chelsea.

Posted by: alaric | Jun 2, 2017 11:42:07 PM | 35

likklemore @ 29

The Green Climate Fund

$100 Billion a year to sit in the World Bank while a cartel decides who to give/lend it to. Whatever the reason, Trump got this one right.

I guess it depends on which flavor of green you have in mind.

Posted by: stumpy | Jun 3, 2017 12:00:29 AM | 36

Ah, now that Donald Trump has gotten in bed with the Saudis, perhaps it's time to review the long collaborative history between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton?
http://www.mintpressnews.com/trump-clinton-refuse-explain-share-address-delaware/215907/
Looks like Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are on the same page, doesn't it?

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jun 3, 2017 1:17:50 AM | 37

Saying it’s Russians’ fault like blaming everything on Jews’ – & other Putin quotes at #SPIEF
https://mobile.twitter.com/RT_com/status/870807497283559425?p=p#

Posted by: Saunder | Jun 3, 2017 2:17:58 AM | 38

Great website
http://www.photorientalist.org/

Posted by: Mina | Jun 3, 2017 5:47:12 AM | 39

Study shows massive growth of political abstention in 2016 US election


Clinton’s orientation to more affluent voters produced a dramatic shift in the landscape of American two-party politics in 2016. According to data from the American National Election Survey (ANES), the Democratic Party won a majority of votes from the wealthiest 5 percent of the white population for the first time since ANES began collecting data in 1948. Not only did the Clinton campaign win amongst the wealthiest 5 percent of whites, she won by an overwhelming margin, slightly greater than 10 percent. The Democrats won by wide margins among wealthier sections of all racial groups.

On the other side, the poorest two-thirds of white voters supported the Republican candidate, also for the first time in the ANES poll’s 70-year history. The chart below shows the shift, with the Republican margin of victory appearing higher on the Y-axis and the income percentile groups listed from left to right on the X-axis, with the wealthiest 5 percent listed on the right of each graph. The fact that the chart for 2016 has a downward trajectory highlights the degree to which the Democratic Party has become the primary party of the affluent upper-middle class.


the 'Democrats' in the usofa are like the 'Democrats' in thailand ... they've got the plutocrat vote, and the wannabe plutocrat vote, sewed up. but that's not enough to get elected.

the thai 'Democrats' turn to coups to stay in power ... and now, so do the american Democrats. starting off with a judicial coup, they hope.

will they go whole hog with tanks in the streets when that fails?

Posted by: jfl | Jun 3, 2017 8:49:11 AM | 40

The Macron ‘hack’ was indeed curious. Maybe a sort of copy-cat-effort, like it has become fash to hack pol e-mails? Odd - I haven’t seen what the content is, is it just a lot of rubbish, is the hack being ignored on purpose? Is all being covered up? Where is the material? Who is analysing it? Sure I could hunt it up, the point is this all sank without much of a trace… The media were ordered not to publish:

Independent

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 3, 2017 10:13:16 AM | 41

ben@30 nf@38

https://jackrabbit.blog/

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 3, 2017 10:43:19 AM | 42

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 3, 2017 10:13:16 AM | 42

You find them under #macronleaks on twitter

Wikileaks - Assange - posted that they were looking at the stuff if they were real but did not post anything after that.

Mediapart has looked at the leaks deducing what everybody guessed before - that "en marche" has been financed by the finance sector.

I think the media is correct in not spreading rumour about Macron being gay (or dependent on drugs) - especially as there is no confirmation the leaks are untampered with.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 3, 2017 10:48:17 AM | 43

somebody, thx. I dunno if I have the energy to dig in. Macron is not gay, as if it mattered, and he is a snobby wine enthusiast, like mild tipple and a lot of cognoscenti commentary, with great food (but no sweets like chocolate snacks, Bibi forbids him to eat junk.) :)

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 3, 2017 11:55:59 AM | 44

"Phishing attacks are daily occurrences, mostly by amateurs. Phishing emails are not cyber attacks. They are simply letters which attempt to get people to reveal their passwords or other secrets. They are generally not attributable at all. "

b, your ignorance is pretty much on display, here. Cyber attacks take many different forms, among which are "phishing attacks". Try to get with the program

Former hacker.

Posted by: Bardi | Jun 3, 2017 2:04:18 PM | 45

jfl @ 41 -- Any Dems looking to get the Repubs to undertake a "judicial coup," by which I think you mean impeachment or the illness approach, will need to find a way to have Pence impeached, then somehow take down Ryan. Leaving Orin Hatch? Cabinet members?

Think about a Betsy DeVos presidency....

Anyone in the line of succession is probably likely to be just as conservative, and radically so, as the first four. But they may seem more acceptable to voters, thus may be more likely to win the next presidential race.

Trump has probably put together the best insurance against impeachment he could have planned for, which I don't think he did as he just wanted to curry favor with the right wing of the Repub party and voting base.

No joy in this line of possibilities.

Posted by: jawbone | Jun 3, 2017 3:17:14 PM | 46

Succession link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

Posted by: jawbone | Jun 3, 2017 3:17:38 PM | 47

@29 Likklemore, elites this, elites that. Trump is one of the elite, no?

re: Milankovich Cycles. For hundreds of millions of years, forests grew all over the world. Forests fell and were buried in more forests. Every tree a repository of solar energy crushing the trees beneath until they oozed out oil. cf the production of turpentine. Hundreds of millions of years of solar energy in the form of black goo. Now the world is fixing to exhaust it in the merest sliver of time. If you strike a match and sniff the fumes, your nose tickles. If you strike a thousand matches and sniff the fumes your head dissolves. If nothing else, simple arithmetic, the Queen of Mathematics(Gauss), urges erring on the side of caution. Another thing to consider: In 1954(?), the international "community" held the IGY, International Geophysical Year, in which, for the first time in the history of the world, the entire planet was acknowledged to be completely parceled out to one or another nation-state, save for a few rocky outcrops in the ocean. Sure, there are cycles, but time goes in one direction.

Posted by: ruralito | Jun 3, 2017 4:40:35 PM | 48

Nice, b, as always. Mind you, you still get some Big Oil Climate Denial Bots here. The ones who can spot a "fact" anywhere, except when it comes to the biosphere. Darwin Award stuff, though homicidally so in this case.

Posted by: witters | Jun 3, 2017 7:32:24 PM | 49

@50 witters

see Putin defends Trump on Climate change - 'Don't worry, be happy'.

Putin

1. cuts to the chase: the paris accord has no teeth
2. notes that russia has yet to sign the accord itself
3. points out that serious, heavy lifting is required to deal with climate change
4. throws the rump a lifesaver ... implies that russia and the us might work together on 3.

i always like to listen to putin. he actually says things.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 3, 2017 8:54:38 PM | 50

i always like to listen to putin. he actually says things.
Posted by: jfl | Jun 3, 2017 8:54:38 PM | 51

That's true but, unlike Western leaders, Putin's most outstanding personal attribute is his firm commitment to keeping quiet when he's got nothing to say.
Malcolm Turnbull is the perfect example... the longer his rambling speeches take to deliver, the less solid info they contain.
It's a Neoliberal thing; long on verbosity - short on sane ideas.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 3, 2017 11:50:28 PM | 51

I'm truly amused by Hillary's often stated claim that she really won the Election because she won the popular vote. And also by the total mindlessness in the Media's endless repetition of this. I've never seen any media person refute this.

Hello, it's the Electoral College, stupid.

As every educated marketing person knows, one develops his/her strategy towards winning by winning with the score that counts. For the US Presidency what counts is electoral college votes, not popular vote. So you concentrate your campaign, your money, your focus of effort, your visits, etc. with the view toward winning those electoral states. One doesn't spend time or funds in states where you can get lots of votes but lose. A simile is the 1960 World Series where the NY Yankees absolutely dominated in the "runs scored" column but lost in the true measure--games won. The Yankees won three games by huge margins but Pittsburgh won its games by lesser run margins, but they won the necessary four.

Pass this on to your favorite media. They honestly don't know.

PSZ

Posted by: Paul Zoellner | Jun 4, 2017 9:25:48 AM | 52

Hillary has been through three presidential elections before this one: two with her husband, and her own in 2008.

And she doesn't fucking know the Electoral College wins?

Superdelegates To Clinton's Rescue?, February 1, 2008.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/superdelegates-to-clintons-rescue/

Posted by: MRW | Jun 5, 2017 4:28:51 AM | 53

Posted by: Paul Zoellner | Jun 4, 2017 9:25:48 AM | 52

She is trying to retain power in the Democratic Party, that is all. Similar to Corbyn whose gain in popularity will not necessarily translate into seats. But it will save his Labour Party leadership.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 5, 2017 5:46:28 AM | 54

@54 sb 'Similar to Corbyn whose gain in popularity will not necessarily translate into seats. But it will save his Labour Party leadership.'

yeah, similar. except that it was the collapse of clinton's 'popularity' that destroyed her (dnc only) Democrat party leadership. she's just a dead woman walking.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 5, 2017 6:48:58 AM | 55

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