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May 24, 2017

The Manchester Attack - A Blowback From Britain's Terror Support In Libya, Syria And Beyond

When I first learned of yesterday's terror incident in Manchester, UK I snarked:

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So another heroic "Syrian rebel" - which the British government avidly supports - blew himself up. But why in #Manchester?

6:26 AM - 23 May 2017

Several people attacked my over that tweet.

How would I know it was a "Syrian rebel" who blew himself up in the Manchester Arena?

Well, how would you know that any of the takfiri "Syrian rebels" the UK, the U.S. and their Gulf proxies support in Syria are from Syria? Many are definitely not.

Then news appeared that the attacker's name was Abedi and that he hailed from an anti-Ghaddafi tribe in eastern Libya. It was eastern Libya from where in Macrh 2011 a tribal insurrection to overthrow the Libyan government was initiated. Weapons were flown in from Qatar and handed out to Jihadists. British special forces were on the ground to help the takfiris of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) in their attacks towards the Libyan capital in western Libya. The leader of the eastern front was Abdelhakim Belhadj, a long time al-Qaeda member, After Ghaddafi was overthrown with British help al-Qaeda's flag went up over the court house of the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi.

The Manchester plot thickened.

Now we read this:

The suicide bomber who killed 22 people and injured 59 more at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester was a university dropout who may have made secret trips to Syria to train for the attack.
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UK police revealed, Mr Abedi was a 23-year-old British national of Libyan descent. He was born in Manchester and grew up alongside three siblings.

British intelligence agents are investigating reports the football-obsessed Abedi slipped into Syria while visiting relatives in Libya several times in recent years, The Sun reports.

more:

Abedi born in Manchester and grew up in tight-knit Libyan community that was known for its strong opposition to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s regime.

He had become radicalised recently - it is not entirely clear when - and had worshipped at a local mosque that has, in the past, been accused of fund-raising for jihadists.
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A group of Gaddafi dissidents, who were members of the outlawed Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), lived within close proximity to Abedi in Whalley Range.

The Islamic State, a splinter part of al-Qaeda, has claimed responsibility for the attack in Manchester. The LIFG was aligned with al-Qaeda.

Salman Abedi was in east-Libya when the UK bombed Libyan government troops to free the way for the onslaught of the takfiris:

A person who said they knew Abedi from school told the Manchester Evening News: “He was a outgoing fun guy but since he went to Libya in 2011 he came back a different guy.

“He used to drink, smoke weed then all of a sudden he turned religious and I’ve not seen him since 2012.”
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“There was a black flag with Arabic writing on it on the roof [of Abedi’s house in Elsmore road] for a bit, a few years ago,” a neighbour told the BBC.

It was under Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that a pipeline of Takfiri Islamist and weapons from Libya to Syria was organized. The British government surely knew and helped with this.

It is fairly obvious that the Manchester attack is a blowback of the British wars on the independent Libya under Ghaddafi and on the independent Syria under Bashar Assad. In both cases the British government supports radical Islamist takfiris to fight against the secular governments it wants to overthrow. But such extremists can never be controlled by the "west". They hate the "west" on ideological grounds and they hate what "we" do to their home countries. Any use of such forces abroad will blow back home.

I have seen suggestions that the attack in Manchester was initiated by "deep state" Gladio forces to help Theresa May win the British election. That is possible -British secret services knew the culprit well- but it is unlikely in my view. May is predicted to win by a wide margin and there is no need to take the risk such a plan would inevitably entail. A blowback from supporting takfiri terrorists in foreign countries is the much more likely explanation.

But don't expect the government supporting main stream media to explicitly point out that obvious connection. They are all part of the campaigns for the Takfiris when these try to overthrow this or that secular government. They are all guilty themselves of causing the Manchester attack.

Posted by b on May 24, 2017 at 05:53 AM | Permalink

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Over a decade ago, the UK baffled everybody by harbouring some of the worst radical Islamist preachers the world had heard of, like Abu Hamza aI-Masri and other such unsavoury sorts. Nobody understood why. It looked like over-the-top 'goody-two-shoes' politically correct tolerance.
Which it wasn't. It turns out Great-Britain has purposefully been turned into one of the world's premier jihadi breeding & recruiting grounds.
My, my, my...

Posted by: Lea | May 24, 2017 6:24:12 AM | 1

As per usual for these attacks, the attacker had contact with/was known to security services. Another sting op allowed to run its course?

Posted by: Peter AU | May 24, 2017 6:34:27 AM | 2

What is most likely is that this guy is a patsy, controlled by US/Uk dark forces - oh but wait that is - OHNO!!!! - a horrible dreaded conspiracy theory!!!

Posted by: paul | May 24, 2017 6:38:28 AM | 3

"May is predicted to win by a wide margin and there is no need to take the risk such a plan would inevitably entail."
Not necessarily. News just before the Manchester attack:
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/05/23/tory-lead-tumbling.html

Posted by: Kassandra | May 24, 2017 6:45:58 AM | 4

as i said to somebody on the other thread, now is the time for labour to latch hold of this glimpse of reality and push it for all they're worth against the imperialism of the 1% that is not only bankrupting but terrorizing and killing them at home in britain ... labour is desperate, i understand, they ought to try the truth ... what have they got to lose?

Posted by: jfl | May 24, 2017 6:51:23 AM | 5

Part of the gladio type operations is the strategy of tension. There has to be a constant pressure on the people, herding them along the narrative path and making sure that there is no wandering off of that path. For a few years it seemed the FBI was staging a new terror event in the US every 6 months, although now that has abated. Perhaps the US sheeple were getting suspicious so they offshored the false flags.

These operations can also simply be used as a diversion to abruptly divert the narrative away from some shiny object attracting the sheeple's attention. Perhaps Seth Rich assassination is the real issue, or the elites penchant for pedophilia. Who knows.

Also, as with the budokan bombing of "the eagles of death metal" on Friday, October 13, this could have some occult significance. The significance of it being the Ariana Grande concert has not yet been exposed, but my guess that like Madonna, Gaga, Spears she is a mkultra sex kitten used to program teenage pubescent gentile girls to turn into shicksa's. This kind of shock likely serves some mind control agenda that is focused on their still developing brains and sexual preferences.

Posted by: Heros | May 24, 2017 6:57:22 AM | 6

The Tory lead was tumbling in the days before the attack. I think peopled were starting to realise whereas Labour has good policies, STRONG AND STABLE is not really a policy at all. Whereas the press was reporting this at the weekend, now election campaigning suspended. I agree though, a bit of risk to think an inside job.

Posted by: PVP | May 24, 2017 6:59:27 AM | 7

Actually May had just got into serious trouble on social security and Corbyn was and still is, I believe, in a pretty good position.

May comes across as incompetent when seen close. There is a rumour that there will be no debate between May and Corbyn as May would not be able to get through without embarassement.

But the attack would not be aimed so much at May winning the elections, but May getting Britain to intervene in Libya - against Haftar and Russia.

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 7:09:56 AM | 8

Was he a radicalised Islamist or was he just a radicalised Libyan. Whatever he was, the racists, Obama, Clinton, Cameron and Sarkozy share in the responsibility.

Why now? Perhaps the massacre At Brak al-Shatti? After all it was the militia of the UN-backed Government of National Accord (GNA) that carried it out. You know the UN, where Britain is a permanent member of the Security Council and where nothing happens without the support of the permanent members of the Security Council.

Was this a conspiracy involving the British Government? I very much doubt it because if it ever came out that there was a conspiracy it would destroy the political party of any politicians involved and all the people involved would be identified and prosecuted.

Heros, you really need to get back on yours meds otherwise the men in white coats will come a'calling soon.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 7:42:46 AM | 9

Connecting dots.

This man’s parents, according to the Telegraph, were refugees from Gaddafi’s Libya (Tripoli) and he grew up in a “tight-knit Libyan community that was known for its strong opposition to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s regime.” The paper also reports that he grew up in “close proximity” to a group of people with ties to al-Qaeda etc. We know that Gaddafi detested al-Qaeda.

I wonder how long it will take for the press and the West to make the connection that the people who hated Gaddafi are also the people who explode nail bombs?

Or am I hoping against hope for a bit of logic?

Posted by: E | May 24, 2017 7:42:47 AM | 10

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 7:42:46 AM | 9

In all likelihood he was just suicidal and someone knew about it and used it.

Both attacks the Libyan and the Manchester one, show that the Islamic Parties are on their last leg in Libya.

In the case of Manchester more embarassing stuff will come out - the guy was known to secret services and had just returned from Libya. All of which will have happened under Theresa May's watch.

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 7:56:02 AM | 11

Dear B: there has been recent news about UK prime minister Theresa May flip-flopping over the issue of capping care payments to aged pensioners which calls into question her ability to handle the British departure from the EU, and how this uncertainty has affected the Conservatives' standing in recent opinion polls. Off-guardian.org also reports that huge numbers of people have attended British Labour Party rallies where Jeremy Corbyn has been giving speeches. These rallies have been ignored by the mainstream news media in the UK. So the notion that (before the Manchester attack) May would win the general election by a wide margin was already shaky.

Another thing too: just as the suicide bomber could have been a "Syrian rebel", how do the authorities really know the his name was Salman Ramadan Abedi and that he was linked to a zillion different jihadi groups? The fellow is dead and anything that the British government says about him and his connections can't be taken seriously. The announcement by ISIS that Abedi is one of theirs might just suit the British government's agenda of pushing the public into supporting an invasion of Libya or Syria.

Posted by: Jen | May 24, 2017 8:00:02 AM | 12

Ghostship @ 11

I understand very little about UK politics.

Does this, embarrassment notwithstanding, assist the Tories? Or is Labour or the Lib-Dems “stronger” on terror, immigration etc?

Posted by: E | May 24, 2017 8:01:48 AM | 13

Did he drop his passport ID near the scene like they always do?

Sad really, but this reminds me of the Thatcher times when the 'evil' Irish IRA, and therefore all Roman Catholics, were terrorising the British government for absolutely no rational reason at all.

I don't even bother these days to think whether it's Blowback or False flag -- it's action research by nefarious forces.

Strategic shocks are one way to 'control' complex chaos systems -- there is some theory to it -- but usually the only reliable aim can be to stop or divert something rather than produce some definite predetermined goal.

The main aim, whatever side is behind it, is to scramble the msm news cycle and keep other more routine developments off the agenda.

Hope Corbyn wins in spite of the very 'convenient' timing for a sphincter response towards the establishment and conservative agenda.

Sell military weapons to the scorpions running Saudi Arabia and not expect a sting in the back is just plain naive.

Posted by: x | May 24, 2017 8:10:25 AM | 14

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you better duck ...

Posted by: LXV | May 24, 2017 8:16:48 AM | 15

i think i said it before
blowback is a lazy statement.

the attck on the innocent singer gladiola grand in man chester
works on many levels.
blowback is loan wolf.
do these people even exist.
5 secs of tape loop scene
blurred image.

even in sherlock holmes day a 10 x 8 plate camera could capture the hair on a nats back.
we get nokia vision 2008 blur vision.


blow sure + kid and organ wrangling.
this helps the disaster that is robot man primeminister may.
a tavistock creation

what better way to lead than when the army is on the street.

who qui bono

a libyan is the one really.

certain parties need oded yinon
these event help achieve tipping point.
at this very moment
the main london talk shows zionist run have scripted sayanim calling in talking about are shared values
muslim this that.
ex army calling in talking about army staged events demanding and making assad connections even though the sim was meant to be syrian.


hoax or false flag are not blow back
but are about blow ratlines destruction reconstruction contracts.


teresa may is jewish and her father was a vicar and she was born a man
that theory is just as crazy as the scripted reality of the brookings chatham house back story.

why does rita katz and her mossad site intel group get to decide the story and the names of the patsy.
why has mi6 or cia not arrested her or use her to shut down the networks she is tapped into.

because it is all mi6,mossad,cia run shit show

Posted by: charles drakes | May 24, 2017 8:19:57 AM | 16

Posted by: E | May 24, 2017 8:01:48 AM | 13

Theresa May is supposed to be stronger on security, she used to be interior minister.

But this happened on her watch. Voters would need to twist their heads to get around this fact. And it was not Europe but British immigration policy decades ago.

Both Corbyn and May now talk of "coming together" in the face of crisis.

If this was a plot to get Theresa May elected she was not in on it.

More like Libyans not wishing to be forgotten in Trump's "fighting terrorism" agenda.

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 8:34:04 AM | 17

The attack occurred on the 4th anniversary of the Murder of British Soldier Lee Rigby

The murder of Rigby was extraordinary and received a great deal of media coverage. The assailants railed against British actions in Muslim lands and urged British citizens to turn against their government saying:

You people will never be safe. Remove your governments, they don’t care about you... Do you think politicians are going to die? No, it's going to be the average guy, like you and your children. So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back … leave our lands and you will live in peace.

The potential link to the Rigby attack seems to be getting very little coverage.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 24, 2017 8:41:38 AM | 18

http://www.unilad.co.uk/news/

controlled-explosion-destroys-second-device-found-near-manchester-arena/

Anybody know by what method police would explode a bag of clothing?

Does an nervous policeman put himself sufficiently close to a suspicious bag of clothing which may or may not contain explosives (this is unclear) to explode it?

Does the nervous policeman bring his own explosives in order to explode a bag of clothing? (This too is unclear).

This (controlled explosion) was a noisy and powerful-sounding explosion.

Why the hell would they explode a bag of clothing with an apparently huge explosive device?

Posted by: fastfreddy | May 24, 2017 8:49:03 AM | 19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6DZGENiot8

American announcer -"Thank You for coming and having a good time tonight. Walk Slowly, there's no need to run".

Posted by: fastfreddy | May 24, 2017 8:54:09 AM | 20

As several have already said, no, May is not predicted to win by a large margin. She's run a catastrophic campaign, dictatorial and out of touch, whereas Corbyn has attracted large crowds.

What's going to be the consequence of the Manchester affair for the election, I don't know. Should be that the right wing will get in on security. But people are losing, or have lost, confidence in the Tories for that. The Tories, even before May, have been cutting the police and the military, for so-called austerity reasons. You'd think they would have been building them up, as Thatcher did, but they haven't. They've done the opposite. After all cash in the pockets of the buddies is what government is all about for them.

Actually, I wouldn't entirely exclude a false-flag intended to boost the right-wing in the elections. If it were one that went wrong, and killed more than intended. It must be easy for the security services to find some poor Muslim sap who's willing to be a martyr. But you're probably right that it's blow-back.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 24, 2017 9:02:43 AM | 21

Theresa May seems to have cut the police force as interior minister

So, no, she is not going to profit from this attack.

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 9:02:50 AM | 22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqaWWpbdw-c

Here is alleged moment of the alleged real explosion. Would have had a much more terrifying impact and dramatic effect had Ariana been performing on stage at the time. She was not. Looks like people were in the process of getting seated when it occurred.

Note that a second explosion which occurred later controlled by police was much louder than this one.

Posted by: fastfreddy | May 24, 2017 9:03:26 AM | 23

French Intr min confirmed Abadi went to Syria
If the French have any idea about it it means there is further connection with the French and Belgian cells
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/world/europe/manchester-bomber-salman-abedi.html?_r=0

Posted by: Mina | May 24, 2017 9:12:38 AM | 24

re FF. No it was at the end as they were leaving.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 24, 2017 9:13:41 AM | 25

Europe and America both need to wake up. Close all mosques and criminalize the activities of Imams. Criminalize the clandestine practice of Islam. You want to come to England or America to escape the chaos and brutality of the Islamic hell hole of a country you came from? That's just ducky, but you leave your religion and Sharia based culture at the border. It's either that solution or simply don't allow anyone from those countries and culture into the country, not even as visitors. There is no other way.

Posted by: Casowary Gentry | May 24, 2017 9:25:48 AM | 26

It's not only the police. It's also the National Health Service; the Tories are widely seen as undermining it, in order to be able to privatise it in the next few years. You can't get an appointment to see a doctor; the emergency depts are crowded out with long waits. People notice that. But here they are, doing a magnificent job in saving the injured from the bombing. But the Tories are seen as wanting to destroy that and install an American insurance system.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 24, 2017 9:26:29 AM | 27

@26 -- "simply don't allow anyone from those countries and culture into the country"

Yes, that might work, especially if you allow them to apply the same logic and principles to keeping out people like you from their country. UK 2nd largest arms exporter to SA & Co. Sort of comes under that faux empire elitist "we can fuck them, but they can't fuck us" theme.

Now back to the practical and realistic...

Posted by: x | May 24, 2017 9:52:23 AM | 29

>>>> x | May 24, 2017 8:10:25 AM | 14

Did he drop his passport ID near the scene like they always do?

No, it was his bank card that was found in his pocket. You don't go out your front door in the UK unless you have your debit or credit card with you - they've pretty much replaced cash - I withdrew £10 from my bank account in February and it's still in my wallet. So was it planted - we'll never know but I doubt it.
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How ungrateful was the bomber, the Conservative government under the previous Prime Minister, David Cameron, freed the Libyans by murdering Gaddafi and then he, the bomber, goes and does this. Theresa May must be so grateful to ISIS for claiming responsibility for this outrage so that Muslims can be blamed rather than those that were really responsble such as Obama, Clnton, Sakozy, Cameron and even Theresa May herself (under principle of collective responsibility of cabinet). If there is a conspiracy, it's just started as the coverup gets under way.
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>>>> fastfreddy | May 24, 2017 8:49:03 AM | 19

Anybody know by what method police would explode a bag of clothing?
Unlikely to be police but army. After the troubles in Ireland, the UK has a well developed system for dealing with bombs using bomb disposal specialists from the Royal Engineers

Does an nervous policeman put himself sufficiently close to a suspicious bag of clothing which may or may not contain explosives (this is unclear) to explode it?

Does the nervous policeman bring his own explosives in order to explode a bag of clothing? (This too is unclear).

Bomb disposal use robots to do this that can either place a small demolition charge or shoot the bomb with high velocity bullets (creates the necessary shock wave to detonate high explosives AFAIK). So nobody risked their life and even the robot is likely safe and sound back in its kennel.

This (controlled explosion) was a noisy and powerful-sounding explosion.

A small demolition charge fired in the open air makes a lot more noise that if it's contained. Also noise amplified by echos from surrounding buildings.

Why the hell would they explode a bag of clothing with an apparently huge explosive device?

Because they didn't know what was in it and they didn't know if it was booby-trapped or contained a remotely-detonated charge, so they use a few ounces of explosives to blow it apart and either detonate any high explosives or destroy any devices.
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>>>> fastfreddy | May 24, 2017 9:03:26 AM | 23

Here is alleged moment of the alleged real explosion. Would have had a much more terrifying impact and dramatic effect had Ariana been performing on stage at the time. She was not. Looks like people were in the process of getting seated when it occurred.
No, they were getting up to leave at the end of the concert. It appears the bomber walked into one of the foyers of the arena as people were leaving and detonated the bomb. So security procedures will have to be improved at the end of events like this.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 10:09:43 AM | 31

>>>> Laguerre | May 24, 2017 9:13:41 AM | 25

re FF. No it was at the end as they were leaving.

Sorry for stepping on your toe.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 10:13:52 AM | 32

Interesting how this event pushed the "Who Killed Set Rich?" story right off the page as it was starting to get some traction, particularly after Brazille was revealed as the DNC chief making calls to get a handle on the spread.

Posted by: JC | May 24, 2017 10:25:28 AM | 33

>>>> E | May 24, 2017 8:01:48 AM | 13

Does this, embarrassment notwithstanding, assist the Tories? Or is Labour or the Lib-Dems “stronger” on terror, immigration etc?

It depends - if enough people join the dots back to the Conservative's involvement in regime change in Libya then maybe not - I can see the Conservative lead in the polls decreasing yet further but will it be enough to give Labour the most seats in parliament? I doubt it as the election is only two weeks away. The best that can be hoped for is that the Conservatives lose their majority in Parliament at which point it gets interesting. The whole Brexit referendum thing was to avoid a split in the Conservative Party and stop Conservative voters defecting to UKIP. The Liberals who the Conservatives will probably need to form a coalition if they only have a plurality are opposed to Brexit so will we see a Conservative-Liberal coalition? I don't think so, so that might leave a Conservative minority government with a deep fissure within and how long will that last before it splits. The Conservatives are normally very loyal to their party but it seems different with Brexit. Interesting times and anybody who claims to know what will happen at the moment is probably lying. It should be clearer in a week particularly if the Government can blame it on ISIS and, by association, Syria, Iran and Putin.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 10:32:17 AM | 34

ff @19:

Why the hell would they explode a bag of clothing with an apparently huge explosive device?
Basically, the authorities are making a show of "fighting terror". Blowing things, military patrols, and vague warnings of more to come.

If the bombing was related to the anniversary of the Bigby murder, then the political point has already been made. Everything else is mis-direction and distraction.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 24, 2017 10:49:53 AM | 35

re Ghostship 34

The most interesting thing about these present events is that the whole charge to hard Brexit could be fucked. A small Tory majority, or a minority government, is hardly the necessary support for May's Brexit policy. Unless the Tories can win on security - and the issues have been mentioned just above - the Brexit movement could grind to a halt, through not receiving the electoral support May was demanding. And May is not very flexible to change tack, as Cameron would have done.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 24, 2017 10:53:31 AM | 36

@33 -- exactly, a lot of smoke and mirrors going on ... must be some deep sh*t happening in the shadows.

Believe it or not:
surgeon-who-operated-on-seth-rich

Posted by: x | May 24, 2017 10:54:41 AM | 37

murder in belgravia showed how the security services knew who really killed yvonne fletcher a police woamn.
later blamed on gadaffi.
it was an inside job not outside.
highly regarded forensic specialists proved it via bullet projectile analysis.
mi5 knows what happens lets things run.
makes things up
enhances the scenarios for gladio


mi6
got the lee rigby boyz out of an african cell
paid all legal costs
few years later the event happened
nobody talked of soldier friends of the 2 black mi5 recruits
that the bbc said did the deed.

what of the 7 and 7 boyz nobody talks of security and mi5 handlers.

is it not funny that they all all
are known to the security services yet events always happen.

israeli companies own all the cctv companies that happen at these event.
big brother island uk more cctv than any other country on the planet.
always foggy footage played on a final cut pro edit loop.


the westminster event should have had 70 odd camera angles
so many angles even tarrantino or kubrick would be overwhelmed.


it sure is getting confusing looks like westminster created mossad
a copy of british sis made into israeli secret intel service.
and they are running amok.

when you countrol the information flow and the data collection for black mail
why not.

paramilitary forces on the streets in london i here idf are on patrol in golders green and stanford hill.

Posted by: charles drakes | May 24, 2017 11:26:43 AM | 38

thanks b... looks like you're right in your twitter supposition - the guy went to syria - one more of our '''moderate syrian rebels''' born in the uk too..

but don't anyone in the west examine that connection...msm will happily avoid it too..

thanks for the many informative comments/posts.. this reads straight up to me- no need for a conspiracy theory..

@5 jfl... yeah, but being politicians - no matter what stripe,they have difficulty stating the truth.. it's too cold and unappealing generally..

Posted by: james | May 24, 2017 11:35:51 AM | 39

The Tory "strong and stable" slogan, repeated over and over again Goebbels-style, is now widely derided and replaced with "weak and wobbly".

Posted by: Shakesvshav | May 24, 2017 11:53:31 AM | 40

The intelligence spat between the US and Britain is interesting.

Revenge for spying on Trump?

But why is France involved?

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 12:29:45 PM | 41

Yesterday, when was listening to so called terrorism expert explaining what to do next to confront the problem I thought the first thing to do would be to stop help this people abroad. This vulgar-Macchiavellian scheme apart from being perverse obviously does not work. So I fully agree with B.

Posted by: Pnyx | May 24, 2017 12:49:53 PM | 42

Somebody
it seems that "the day after" the Riyadh summmit is full of excitement. Aoun was the first to say that he refused to endorse the stupid final document (Iran-bad-bad-bad), then today we had the KSA/Qatar row (see on Angry Arab) and now Sudan spitting on Egypt accusing them to help the Darfur rebels.
Interesting days ahead.

Posted by: Mina | May 24, 2017 1:07:55 PM | 43

I think in order to understand what is really going on, the „terror attacks“ in Europe must be analyzed within the „Gladio“ frame (the „blowback“ angle is wrong and misleading in my opinion).

The important point is, „Gladio“ cannot be dismissed (ridiculed) as just another „conspiracy theory“ because of the trials in Italy and the confessions and testimonies resulting from these procedures. See also the excellent BBC- Timewatch documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHXjO8wHsA

Just a reminder -
General Gianadelio Maletti, commander of the counter-intelligence section of the Italian military intelligence service from 1971 to 1975, testified in March 2001 (during the eighth trial regarding the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombings) that the CIA had had foreknowledge of the event.

Also an Italian Senate-Commission report on the „Gladio“ network, stated that

"Those massacres, those bombs, those military actions had been organized, promoted or supported by men inside Italian state institutions and …. by men linked to the structures of United States intelligence."

A key role within the criminal, subversive Gladio-network (sometimes referred to as a "state within a state“ or a "shadow government") was played by a Masonic lodge: P2 (Propaganda Due) which served as a conduit for drug trafficking, money laundering, gun running activities of the CIA … (including „Iran-Contra“).

The investigation of the activities of „P2“ in the 1980s revealed a conspiratorial network of leading personnel in the POLICE, the MILITARY, the economy, Politics, the mafia and the „INTELLIGENCE“ AGENCIES (not to forget – important journalists were also involved).

The well-founded suspicion, that this secret, fascist „brotherhood“ had harboured plans for a coup d’état (in case the „left“ would join the government) and was heavily involved in the false-flag terror-attacks during the 1970s in Italy was later confirmed in the legal proceedings.

In those days they used (fabricated) Neo-Nazis, „radicalized“ them against the left, trained them in „terrorist“ skills and gave them the material, weapons and other logistical support they needed.

Most importantly – their crimes were instigated and covered by the very „security“ forces which are supposed to protect us: the police, the interior ministry, the intelligence agencies, the military, etc. – and of course blamed on „the left“ so that any coalition government with these „radicals“ would be regarded as totally unacceptable.

So assuming that these fascist, covert networks still exist in some form („the deep state“), we must realize that all information we get about the alleged „terror-incidents“ is distributed & controlled by the same people who are involved in their fabrication …

Fast forward to 2017: 16 yrs after the „9/11“ ZioCon Mega-PSYOP it should be clear that „Gladio B“ (as Sibel Edmonds calls it) was a huge success: when you are planning to „transform“ the Middle East into a cauldron of unspeakable violence and ethnic enclaves, without getting your hands (officially) dirty, Neo-Nazis are not the (proxy) weapon of choice.

But Wahabi-indoctrinated, jobless „losers“ and criminals from impoverished Muslim countries are – thanks to the boundless generosity of POTUS Donald’s new best friends: the degenerated, utterly corrupt, retrograde, tyrannical Saudis. When these brain-washed kids come out of the Madrassas, they are no longer able to think for themselves so now the CIA and other experts in „covert & special operations“ take over: they train them in paramilitary skills, give them weapons and use them as barbaric proxies (and pretext to intervene) against the enemy du jour (Assad).

Posted by: Armorica | May 24, 2017 1:18:12 PM | 44

>>>> Pnyx | May 24, 2017 12:49:53 PM | 43

This vulgar-Macchiavellian scheme apart from being perverse obviously does not work.

How dare you insult Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli. He had the intellect and knowledge to understand what to do. Clinton, probably the architect of the most recent crap has neither the intelligence nor knowledge to achieve anything but screwing up wherever she sticks her oar. I recently came across a post on an American liberal blog about ethical storytelling which started out using the blatant propaganda of the crematorium at Sednaya as if it were the truth. In my traditional Enlightenment view, I thought this was wrong but then I realised that was just so 20th century of me - I'd failed to grasp that for American liberal interventionists like Clinton whatever they chose to do is ethical and moral because they are the new gods who must be obeyed.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 1:26:24 PM | 45

Part 2

Of course no truly religious person would murder innocent people in foreign countries, let alone chop off their heads and limbs, so (literally) empathy-killing drugs (tons of Captagon / Fenethyllin/ Amphetamines) are fed to the proxy-armies of KSA & USrael:

http://www.konbini.com/fr/tendances-2/interview-specialiste-captagon/ ( I could not access the English version)

French neuro-biologist Jean-Pol Tassin explains in the interview that Captagon prevents the self-regulation of the brain’s neurotransmitter-system – with catastrophic consequences:

„The chemical reward-system in our brain signals to us, in which mental and physical state we are in (whether we have „enough“ of sg or „not enough“ i.e. to continue or stop eating). With Captagon the tricked system always signals „full“: no fear, no pain, no hunger, no need to sleep, etc. The user of the drug gets the message „everything is perfect“, even when everything is wrong. This means even death (of yourself or someone else) does not matter anymore: the most basic, moral scruples and the drive for self-preservation have been deactivated.

A feeling of invincibleness, of boundless self-confidence kicks in. There is no more pain, no more fear of death. Actions are being carried out AS IF THE PERSON WAS PROGRAMMED TO DO THEM…“ (MK Ultra 2.0?)

This is a much more plausible explanation for „suicide“-bombers, crazy, out of the blue knife-attacks and the horrific barbarism in Syria than religious fanaticism, which merely serves as a cover in my opinion (and to demonize Islam and Muslims of course to the great advantage of the Zionists ...).

So I don’t believe a word they are saying about the „attacker“ in Manchester … and by the way I cannot follow your logic B: if the alleged perpetrator hated Gaddafi (was a sympathizer of LIFG) then why would he want „revenge“ in Britain? It does not make any sense to me …

Posted by: Armorica | May 24, 2017 1:27:22 PM | 46

Armorica #47 Of course no truly religious person would murder innocent people in foreign countries,

Obviously Armorica never heard of jihad.

Posted by: From The Hague | May 24, 2017 1:44:35 PM | 47

Posted by: Armorica | May 24, 2017 1:27:22 PM | 47

The interview you link to explicitely says that the free will of the terrorist to do it is necessary before he takes the captagon.

Dans l'éventualité où ils auraient pris du Captagon, ils auraient perdu leur libre arbitre pendant la durée de l'attaque et de l'effet de la drogue. Mais de toute façon, ce libre arbitre, ils l'avaient avant et après les séances de préparation des attaques. Ce n'est pas une altération des cinq sens mais c'est une altération du jugement.

Libya is a hornet's nest.

Renegade Libyan faction accuses Britain of nurturing Manchester terror attacker

One of Libya’s most powerful armed factions has accused Britain of harbouring and supporting the terrorist group it says was behind the Manchester Arena bombing.

The Tobruk-led Libyan Government, which is not recognized by the United Nations but controls a large swathe of eastern Libya, said Manchester-born bomber Salman Abedi was part of a group that operated with the “prior knowledge and consent” of successive British governments.

In statement released on Wednesday, the government accused Britain and other Western powers of backing jihadist extremist groups in the country trying to install a government that would turn the country into an “exporter of terror.”

“This cowardly attack was an imminent result of terrorist groups actions that have been operating for years in the UK, that include the Libyan Fighting Group which has been recruiting Libyan and Muslim youth in the UK and Europe and sending them to Libya and other countries to deliver terrorism and death,” the Tobruk-based government said in a statement.

“The previous British government has been pressuring in every way possible the prevalence of these groups and their control of Libya, while these groups have been destroying our cities and towns in an attempt to shape Libya into an exporter of terror to the whole planet”.

Salman Abedi’s father, Ramadam Abedi, is believed to have been a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, a group founded in 1995 to pursue the violent overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi’s military dictatorship.

The Torygraph is very much engaged in this. How come?

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 2:04:02 PM | 48

48
nor of the crusades and the inquisition ...

This here is CNN now.

Abedi's travel is being scrutinized because recent intelligence obtained by the US suggests that ISIS has set up an external operations wing in Libya tasked with plotting attacks in Europe. The group has already used Libyan soil to train recruits for attacks in Tunisia. Anis Amri, the Tunisian extremist who killed 14 in Berlin last December, was reportedly in communication with the group in Libya before his attack via an encryption app.

NATO just agreed to join the fight against terror without any boots.

Drumming for support of a Libyan invasion instead of Syria, again?

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 2:14:40 PM | 49

"From the Hague"

obviously you did not comprehend the point I was making: the phony "Jihad"-label is being used to achieve 2 things:

1) to abuse "religion" (in this case a perverted version of Islam) as a political weapon and a cover for the real motives behind the organized violence (prevent self-determination and unification of the Arabs)

(...which has also worked extremely well for the Zionists and their original sponsors, the racist "elites" of the British Empire)

2) to ensure absolute obedience since the brain-washed crusaders / "holy warriors" (in reality the proxies of empire)must believe they are following "God's will" so all moral scruples no longer count ...

Posted by: Armorica | May 24, 2017 2:15:31 PM | 50

>>>> Armorica | May 24, 2017 1:27:22 PM | 47

So I don’t believe a word they are saying about the „attacker“ in Manchester … and by the way I cannot follow your logic B: if the alleged perpetrator hated Gaddafi (was a sympathizer of LIFG) then why would he want „revenge“ in Britain? It does not make any sense to me …

Because they hate the West as much as they hated Gaddafi.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 2:25:22 PM | 51

>>>> somebody | May 24, 2017 2:14:40 PM | 51

NATO just agreed to join the fight against terror without any boots.

Drumming for support of a Libyan invasion instead of Syria, again?

Not according to AMN

“This means that the AWACS will not just do airspace surveillance but airspace management,” the AFP quoted a diplomat saying, asking not to be identified.

“They are going to coordinate the flights and direct airplanes over Syria and Iraq but only for flights which are not related to bombings.”

I don't imagine the Russians will take kindly to NATO "airspace management" in Syrian airspace.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 2:32:47 PM | 52

>>>> somebody | May 24, 2017 2:14:40 PM | 51

NATO just agreed to join the fight against terror without any boots.

Drumming for support of a Libyan invasion instead of Syria, again?

Not according to AMN

“This means that the AWACS will not just do airspace surveillance but airspace management,” the AFP quoted a diplomat saying, asking not to be identified.

“They are going to coordinate the flights and direct airplanes over Syria and Iraq but only for flights which are not related to bombings.”

I don't imagine the Russians will take kindly to NATO "airspace management" in Syrian airspace.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 2:32:48 PM | 53

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 2:25:22 PM | 53

I doubt that. But a lot of people are interested in that ISIS remains relevant.

GLADIO did not have to invent communism. The war on terror has to produce its enemy.

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 2:36:26 PM | 54

'revenge' in britain has to do with dead kids under clean bombs everyday everywhere. don't ask them for any political understanding, otherwise they would not have chosen a Salman to do just what Salman did not want him to do on that precise day.

Posted by: Mina | May 24, 2017 2:52:43 PM | 55

Libyan invasion because it is summer and there is going to be a rate of 1000 dead at sea per day if things go on?

Posted by: Mina | May 24, 2017 2:53:56 PM | 56

@54 Could the AWACS just possibly be monitoring 'de-confliction zones'?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/russias-no-fly-zones-in-syria-arent-a-problem-says-us-air-commander/article/2624046

Posted by: dh | May 24, 2017 2:54:37 PM | 57

Interesting developments in the riff between Qatar and KSA
http://angryarab.blogspot.nl/2017/05/the-director-of-official-saudi-lobby-in.html

Posted by: Mina | May 24, 2017 2:56:49 PM | 58

Interesting developments in the riff between Qatar and KSA
http://angryarab.blogspot.nl/2017/05/the-director-of-official-saudi-lobby-in.html

Posted by: Mina | May 24, 2017 2:56:49 PM | 60

-------------------------

There's a rift?
How could that be!!
They started a war in Syria together,
They want to build a pipeline togehter,

Surely there could be no rift between
such close war-making friends?


  • "Qatari-Saudi feud out in the open".

  • "Stupid Western media theories about the origins of the Saudi-Qatari rift".

Mr Angry certainly certainly wants credit for thinking so

Posted by: Just Sayin' | May 24, 2017 3:34:03 PM | 59

Manchester terror attack creating a huge wave.

The Guardian: Libyans in Uk warned about Manchester radicalisation for years

Members of Britain’s Libyan diaspora have said they warned UK authorities for years about Islamist radicalisation taking place in Manchester, as investigations continued into Salman Abedi’s contacts before the bombing in the city.

Salah Suhbi, an MP in Libya who grew up in Sheffield, said Libyans in Manchester had been warning about terrorist recruiters operating openly in the city.

“Manchester has the biggest community of Libyans in Britain and they know exactly what’s happening, there’s a recruitment policy, we’ve been warning about it for years,” he said. “People have been talking about this for the past three or four years, how ruthless they [the Islamist recruiters] are. These people are recruiting from the second and third generation Libyan Brits or Arab Brits.”
Britain has strong links with Libya, and the prime minister of the UN-backed Tripoli government, Fayez Sarraj, settled his family in the UK.

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 3:44:54 PM | 60

@29
"practical and realistic"...
What I propose is exactly that.
It works for Japan.
Reagan was fond of saying to naysayers, who claimed there were no simple solutions, that there were simple solutions, just not easy ones.
It would take courage to withstand the brickbats from certain quarters, but an unsentimental view of the various dimensions of Islam would lead to the realization that Islam itself is the problem. So called radical islam is just an unavoidable aspect of Islam itself. The religion is shot through with elements that make it absolutely incompatible with civilized societies. Islam doesn't "do" pluralism
and it never will. The only way people who become refugees from Islamic countries will ever be free will be when they are free from Islam and that is why we in the west should exclude it from our bodies politic.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

Winston Churchill
The River War
1899

Posted by: Casowary Gentry | May 24, 2017 3:50:02 PM | 61

Al-Arabiya English on the feud. It has dramatic music and shows what a joke the arab vassals are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWSF5I4I3Lw

Posted by: Sam | May 24, 2017 4:11:48 PM | 62

"I have seen suggestions that the attack in Manchester was initiated by "deep state" Gladio forces to help Theresa May win the British election. That is possible -British secret services knew the culprit well- but it is unlikely in my view. May is predicted to win by a wide margin and there is no need to take the risk such a plan would inevitably entail. A blowback from supporting takfiri terrorists in foreign countries is the much more likely explanation."

The British Secret services have the ability and the resources to allow this to happen. If they knew he was a terrorist they should have kept an eye on him 24/7. They have the ability and the resources to do this. But they didn't keep him under surveillance, or maybe they did. Whatever way they allowed this bombing to happen because they could have stopped it. Perhaps even helped along the way with the radicalisation. While May is predicted to win by a large margin, there is still the Trump and Brexit 'who would have though aye' factor. Easier to not take chances. And how the heck do you prove MI5 or 6 let it go ahead anyhow. Mainstream media would put any opposing narrative down to conspiracy theory. Secret services are more than just James Bond characters. We now need a new movie hero who depicts exactly what the OUR secret services are able to do. Not just the baddies.

Posted by: Win | May 24, 2017 4:16:20 PM | 63

Sam
It seems that ksa and egypt want a few head scalps of qataris and turkish leaders. The leaks about the libyan background and possible MB connections of the guy.. plus the massacre 3 days ago by Farraj ppl in Brak al shatti of the Haftar ppl (supported by Egypt) seems related

Posted by: Mina | May 24, 2017 4:35:13 PM | 64

@ Win

Watch the movie called "Clean Skin" with Sean Bean. It provides one of the best interpretations of how intelligence services foster terrorism to advance the agenda of the elite that I've ever seen in a movie. I saw it on Netflix, but I'm not sure if it's still available there.

Posted by: SlapHappy | May 24, 2017 4:36:32 PM | 65

>>>> Casowary Gentry | May 24, 2017 3:50:02 PM | 63

Great! Quoting a mass murderer, incompetent strategist and war criminal.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 4:44:07 PM | 66

Thinking twice i think Sam s vid is a hoax. Alarabiyya hacked too? Iranian hackers are having fun today!

Posted by: Mina | May 24, 2017 4:48:27 PM | 67

I forgot to add that Teresa May's slogan "strong and stable" leadership -- which she compares to Corbyn's "coalition of chaos," neatly fits into this British Secret Services 'done it' theory. Of course after this, people are fearful. So who would they turn to? You guessed it. The timing of the bombing is also another factor. And apparently she isn't doing as well as she thought she would. The Guardian for some strange reason is now allowing positive articles about Corbyn. Could it be they now think he is not a threat?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/22/europe/uk-pm-theresa-may-interview/index.html

Posted by: Win | May 24, 2017 4:48:47 PM | 68

@67 but that's fake melodrama and probably stole most of its information from sites like this

Posted by: aaaa | May 24, 2017 4:51:31 PM | 69

#68

That mass murderer, incompetent strategist and war criminal defeated Nazi Germany.

Posted by: From The Hague | May 24, 2017 4:54:10 PM | 70

And Churchill in 1921 knew that murdering innocent people is central to Wahabis

They hold it as an article of duty, as well as of faith, to kill all who do not share their opinions and to make slaves of their wives and children. Women have been put to death in Wahabi villages for simply appearing in the streets.

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/47480

Posted by: From The Hague | May 24, 2017 5:28:24 PM | 71

Can't believe I am seeing comments that Winston Churchill defeated Nazi Germany or that the way to end terrorism or at least eliminate most terrorism in Britain is to ban Islam.

Back in the 1970s and 1980s when the IRA was carrying out bomb attacks in Northern Ireland and even bombed a Tory Party conference, did anyone blame Roman Catholicism as a denominator in the collective mind-set of the IRA? Did people blame Irish Catholics just for being Irish Catholics because such attacks were being carried out ostensibly in their name? Yet these attacks were probably more dangerous to most of the public by their frequency and their nature.

Furthermore when the suicide bomber is dead and cannot speak for himself, and the whole narrative around the Manchester pop concert attack is being shaped by a government in the middle of election season, and that government's standing in opinion polls is poor due to the Prime Minister's own poor and incompetent leadership, and doubts increasing over her ability to handle Brexit, we cannot have any trust in the corporate media's claims that the attacker was connected to ISIS or this, that or the other extremist Islamist group. These claims are becoming increasingly absurd and smack of panic on the media's part, as if it realises that the more it pushes these claims, the less credibility these claims (and the media as well) has.

Did Winston Churchill personally oversee and direct the strategies used by the Russians to defeat Nazi Germany and its allies at the Battle of Stalingrad which turned the tide of the war against Berlin? Did he liberate the death camps in Poland and stop the killing of Jews, Poles, POWs and millions of others? If Churchill defeated Nazi Germany and liberated eastern Europe, why did so much of that part of the world end up becoming a huge Communist buffer for the Soviet Union against Germany, minus its eastern Soviet-dominated part?

Churchill was the one who wanted firebombing attacks on civilians in Nazi Germany, which were protested by General Eisenhower and others in the Allied High Command. Incidentally these attacks, far from demoralising the enemy, only strengthened Nazi resolve to fight to the death.

Posted by: Jen | May 24, 2017 5:31:36 PM | 72

It has shaken up the elections for sure but not for Theresa May.

Daily Telegraph Security services missed five opportunities to stop the Manchester bomber

May was home secretary then.

It is not just the chancellor who will get elected but parliament, too.

From the Telegraph

The general election will resume with Ukip’s general election manifesto launch today

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 5:35:21 PM | 73

Jen #74
Churchill started (10th of may 1940) when Russia had a pact with Nazi Germany.

Posted by: From The Hague | May 24, 2017 5:38:23 PM | 74

Furthermore Wahhabism, the religion of choice of the Saudi royal family (whose founder Ibn Saud was sponsored by the British themselves, to break Ottoman control of the eastern Mediterranean and Iraq), is not Islam.

Who would say Opus Dei is Roman Catholicism, or that Hindutva is Hinduism?

Churchill also advocated for the use of mustard gas against people in Iraq for daring to want their own independent state.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article999.htm

Also quoting Daniel Pipes, a known supporter of regime change in the Middle East, does not do much for a commenter's reputation at this MoA bar.

Posted by: Jen | May 24, 2017 5:48:09 PM | 75

Mark Curtis:The British establishment is putting our lives at risk

Theresa May’s government, as previous governments, have endangered the British public by the relationship they choose to have with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states. In recent months, May has signed up Britain to a new generation of special relationships with these states, based on selling more arms and providing more training of their militaries and security forces to keep the ruling families in power. All this has been done on the quiet, with scant government or media reporting. We are set for another generation of domestic tyranny in Gulf and foreign Islamist adventures, all now helped by raising the enemy of ‘Iran’ – a foreign policy agenda being set by Riyadh and recently helped by President Trump’s preposterous invocation of Iran as the major sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East.

We are in serious trouble unless this all changes. Our leaders’ policies are endangering us, and are among our major threats. The terrorism that we, ordinary people, face, derives from an ideology and infrastructure to which our leaders, claiming to protect us, have contributed. We desperately need another foreign policy entirely, one based on support for those promoting democracy and human rights – rather on than those with contempt for them.

Posted by: somebody | May 24, 2017 5:49:48 PM | 76

I also doubt that the May gang were in on the bombing - there is just too much of a risk and the fact that it occurred within a day of the poll shift is a big stretch - that anyone especially the incompetent leak ridden englander intelligence services could get such an op up and running in the space of a couple of days just doesn't ring true.

That said, May is exploiting the bombing for all it's worth - relying on set pieces of her being shown acting 'in control' cranking up the threat level to the highest it has been in years and filling the streets with armed soldiers.
My Corbyn will be lucky to get a look in for the next few weeks & by that time it will be over.
The Sun/Mail readers don't listen to statistics they live off the tasty bite sized chunks of bullshit they are fed and we can expect that the lie Mr Corbyn is a friend of terrorists will be snarked into every available situation.
I'm sure he won't give up he's not a quitter but unless something really untoward surfaces, it is all over - he's been done like a kipper.

He will do better than any of his neoliberal Labour Party predecessors (Brown, Milliband et al) but the media right across the narrow political spectrum of english fishwraps will announce he is a failure & try to convince the party to purge him.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 24, 2017 5:51:43 PM | 77

Jen #77
Know nothing about Daniel Pipes.
I just sought the first link for that Churchill-quote.
But Wahhabism is not Islam?
Tell them.
(and give them a GOOD link, that will impress them!)

Posted by: From The Hague | May 24, 2017 5:53:12 PM | 78

http://www.voltairenet.org/article196454.html

Very interesting article (unfortunatly in french, should be translated shortly by site's staff) that gives a very plausible backgrounder on the Manchester attacker. In short the guy has been a western intelligence asset for a long time, was probably not a muslim radical willing to die to blow up teenagers and is likely to have been remote detonated by his handlers which incidently allowed them to get rid of someone who probably knew to much.

The operator of this website is known for his connections in the intelligence community. He does not explain how he came accross this information.

Posted by: Alain | May 24, 2017 6:01:03 PM | 79

It is doubtful the Manchester attack had anything to do with local UK politics. Very likely aimed at boosting NATO into the anti Syria (ISIS) coalition.

Posted by: Peter AU | May 24, 2017 6:25:22 PM | 80

I said APPEARS to have occurred while people were getting seated. Thanks for the correction. It was AFTER the concert had ended. EVEN BETTER timing for a false flag event when the audience is satisfied and unexpectant & you don't want the illuminated "talent" to get caught up in any melee. Ariana Disney Super Grande is out the door lickety-split - jump in that limo - burnin' petrol down the frickin' road to that 5 star hotel. Job well-done.

Boo Hoo! I feel so sorry for my fans. I'm canceling my tour which was on the slip slide down the poop chute anyway.

NEXT! Flash in the Pan - Entertainer - enter stage right.

Posted by: fast freddy | May 24, 2017 6:27:50 PM | 81

Jen @74 and 77, couldn't agree more.

Also, the weak rebuttal attempt alludes to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact WITHOUT any context.

Posted by: spudski | May 24, 2017 6:47:07 PM | 82

Jen #77 follow-up

We are waiting.

Does this link suit you?

Do not fall victim to the false propaganda that Wahhabism doesn't represent Islam. It so does.
Wahhabis don't refer to themselves as such. They call themselves Muslims.
Abdul-wahhab, "founder" of Wahhabism, didn't come up with his own rules. Rather, he called to monotheism and skipping "schools of thoughts" by going directly to the Hadith and Quran.
In other words, it's pure Islam. Barebones Islam. Puritan Islam. Doesn't get more "Islam" than this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/2nio9e/the_wahhabism_is_not_real_islam_fallacy_im_sorry/

Posted by: From The Hague | May 24, 2017 6:51:45 PM | 83

Any reports of major robberies concurrent? Several jewelry claims from Mumbai incident came to light in insurance reports much later. I hope my trigger phrase is something interesting. No wait, don't tell me.

Posted by: failure of imagination | May 24, 2017 6:55:18 PM | 84

@85 From The Hague

Reddit?

You are dead right, that is why the name Saudi Arabia was created by a British Officer. The purest form of Islam is one where it was a vassalage to Britain then the USA. The purest form, were the Othmanic empire and all its neighbours denounced them, and then ended up killing the leader at the time with their first uprising. The last time, the British made sure they became a success.

For a pure form, it sure likes to enslave it self to the USA. Only thing that has kept the USA afloat has been the petrodollar. If it wasn't for that, it would have collapsed a long time ago.

Posted by: Sam | May 24, 2017 7:09:57 PM | 85

Sam #88
So you agree wahhabism is the purest form of islam.
(maybe you can give us one more good link?)

Posted by: From The Hague | May 24, 2017 7:17:13 PM | 86

'We came, we conquered, he died' - are you laughing now bitch? Blood all over Cammerons, Sakozy and your hands.

Posted by: Giap | May 24, 2017 7:35:52 PM | 87

Before every election in Europe in recent years there is a terror attack that helps the war party get elected. Its false flags going viral. You can blame it on ISIS and may be right since guess who created funds snd arms ISIS. Partners.

Posted by: Pft | May 24, 2017 7:36:54 PM | 88

@78 somebody

that's the kind of thing that ought to be getting traction now. i saw that corbyn has instead 'united' with may in the battle of britain, or some such nonsense? if that's the case not much will change in britain. the 'socialists' of britain will get 'berned' just as were the youngsters supporting sanders in the usofa. talk of ending 'the wars' is verboten.

Posted by: jfl | May 24, 2017 7:48:11 PM | 89

Yesterdays news gets wrapped in todays fish. Terry Meyseein at voltairenet blew the whole charade and the anglo-zionist plot to destabilise Syria having Libya as its spear head. It is amazing the dystopic dissonance that we in the west are living in. I still think it is a bit of both Gladio B and C. Western governments can no longer formulate the narrative in a way that the sheeple might follow them. The west has entered that critical 16 percent of cynicism. The tipping point. Israel,western exceptionalism and modern capitalism are all being challenged. No one expected a leader like Putin and a country like Iran to have such powerful deterrence to the cabalist plan of global governance.
May regime has a large lead but it appears the grass roots sector of the UK population are not buying their hollow rhetoric . Meanwhile Crobyn, SNP, and the Lib Democrats are revealing the cracks in the tories politics. Hence this recent attack like the one in Paris before the Macron charade had its place. Being the cynic I am I think it is all part of the deception that we ion the west have been going thru since 9/11.
Great work Moon of Alabama along with Voltaire Net are by far the best sites with regards to geopolitics.

Posted by: falcemartello | May 24, 2017 7:58:43 PM | 90

>>>> From The Hague | May 24, 2017 4:54:10 PM | 72

That mass murderer, incompetent strategist and war criminal defeated Nazi Germany.

He might have been on the winning side but it was Stalin who defeated Nazi Germany and end the war in the Pacific. In fact the Japanese military were so scared of Stalin and the Red Army they were begging for peace within days of the Soviet Union entering the war. As for Churchill, he made one decision and one speech that had a dramatic effect on the outcome but his strategic decisions almost certainly prolonged the war

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 8:04:40 PM | 91

>>>> From The Hague | May 24, 2017 5:28:24 PM | 73

And Churchill in 1921 knew that murdering innocent people is central to Wahabis

Didn't stop him doing deals withe the Saudis.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 8:07:44 PM | 92

Well I fired Alain's link at #81 through google translate (I know) here is the result
I have no way of determining the veracity of the author, but if true and this does leak into the UK, Teresa is in more shit than a Mangere duck as they say in Aotearoa.

It seems the patsy/perp's dad is an MI6 employee who once worked for the colonel in Intelligence until the brits persuaded him to attempt an assassination of the Colonel back in 1992.
The englanders got him out and he has been the go to man for investigating Libyan connections to AQ & ISIS ever since. Lately he has been based in Libya where he has most likely been the point of contact between england and the UN backed universally despised in Libya, unelected 'government'.

No wonder the englaander media has been whining about amerikan and french 'leaks' of the information they have shared.
The amerikan stuff which has mostly been photos of blood stained bomb parts has been reprinted in the englander press. Last time I looked the French stuff was condemed but not repeated.

Form your own opinions but it seems something is up even if this is just France's appreciation of brexit. That would indicate the truth of the subject.

Remember too thaat it was Libya who Churchill concentrated most of his military resources at the time when england itself was under siege and expecting a German invasion. Libya has been the target of the greedy eurotrash of england, france, germany & italy since the invention of the automobile.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 24, 2017 8:08:02 PM | 93

>>>> From The Hague | May 24, 2017 5:38:23 PM | 76

Churchill started (10th of may 1940) when Russia had a pact with Nazi Germany.

Actually it was the Soviet Union, not Russia at that time.

Stalin had a non-aggression treaty with Germany because he knew war with Germany was coming and neither Britain nor France would sign a defence treaty with him. BTW, it was Britain and France with United States approval (FDR sent supporting telegram to Neville Chamberlain) that handed Czechoslovakia over to Nazi Germany which might never have been necessary if Britain and France had a defence treaty with the Soviet Union.

Next you're going to tell me that Germany only invaded the Soviet Union because the Soviet Union was about to invade Germany. Don't bother because you don't have the evidence.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 8:17:00 PM | 94

SAVED FROM THE MEMORY HOLE:

The teenage Libyan rebel from Manchester - 11 June 2011

He’s a 19-year-old college student. He was raised in Britain. But his father is Libyan and is in Tripoli now. To protect them both, we’re not showing his face or giving his name. But we have an exclusive video which shows his training with a unit of the rebel army called the Tripoli Brigade. His training – in Benghazi – took two months.

Briefly back home to sit his exams – and to see his mother – he told me there were other rebel recruits from Manchester – and the west.

“We were training on how to to use the guns and weaponry and big anti-aircraft guns, so hopefully when I do return I’ll be sent to the front line with my brothers,” he told me.

Actually the Channel 4 article is yet another collection of half-truths, factoids, and lies: 1) It makes it sound like Libyans in Manchester were the victims of Gaddafi's aggression. 2) The reporter does not even ask, if the British government or the Secret Services are supporting these "rebels".

It is still interesting though. This is why The Powers That Be have the Memory Hole. The official narrative changes. If proles were allowed to compare the old and new narrative or pieces of them side by side, they would notice it is all lies.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 24, 2017 8:34:49 PM | 95

@80 from the hague
Know nothing about anything after reading your posts

Posted by: Martin | May 24, 2017 8:39:56 PM | 96

From The Hague | May 24, 2017 6:51:45 PM | 85

Does this link suit you?

What, to so no-name blogger on Reddit?

Do not fall victim to the false propaganda that Wahhabism doesn't represent Islam. It so does.
That is like saying the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is representative of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Wahhabiyyah is not even recognised as one of the eight schools of Islam. Instead it's a cult/sect of Islamic Fundamentalists that has aligned itself with the al Saud family. That they're Muslims doesn't mean they're representative of any of the schools of Islam except for morons like you.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 8:46:55 PM | 97

To close blockquote

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 8:48:04 PM | 98

Nope. No false flag. No passport frisbee'd into the nearest hedge row a la Charlie Hebdo or found at the bottom of a demolished skyscraper. Yep. This was indeed blowback.

Though, the comprehension of blowback is vague for many. Some people get angry if they are blamed for causing such treachery. Comprehension is difficult in an age where cold war construct al Qaeda becomes public enemy #1 yet in its latest incarnation is now a useful ally by proxy in the absence of a coalition for regime change.

In any case, the decree of the western media.gov narrative will be released soon. An even money bet says a new terror brand name will be released in Europe as the al Sham phasing out of the al Qaeda linkage was a resounding success and the destruction of IS is nigh.

Time for the rest of the trained up battle hardened lone wolves to come home.

Posted by: MadMax2 | May 24, 2017 8:53:23 PM | 99

>>>> Debsisdead | May 24, 2017 8:08:02 PM | 96

Remember too thaat it was Libya who Churchill concentrated most of his military resources at the time when england itself was under siege and expecting a German invasion. Libya has been the target of the greedy eurotrash of england, france, germany & italy since the invention of the automobile.

Before WW2, Libya was an Italian colony but while some suspected there might be oil, no real evidence was found to prove that true. One of the main reasons that Hitler invaded the Soviet Union was to secure oil reserves around the Caspian Sea in Baku. If he'd known there was oil in Libya, he would not have had to invade the Soviet Union until he had a reliable oil supply that he could defend. The war would have turned out very differently. As it was, the first successful well in the region (North Africa) was drilled in Algeria, just across the border from Libya, in 1955.

Posted by: Ghostship | May 24, 2017 9:00:35 PM | 100

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