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May 06, 2017

Elections In France

Many readers here will likely be more versed in the intrigues of the elections in France than I am.

It seems clear so far the the synthetic Rothschild candidate will win this round.

But what will be the long-term outcome in the epic fight of globalists versus nationalists - in France, in Europe and elsewhere?

 

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The French 2017 election has become the battle of the status quo; one a historical myth (La Pen) providing some comfort from a perceived tradition, the other of hidden political power looking to perpetuate itself by stealth and deception (Macron). Should the French electorate decide that silence can be an effective form of a lie, they can support the candidate which best meets the voter's best interests. La Pen is a candidate of a legitimate but small political party; Macron has, like any good magician, produced a facsimile political group, a crypto-political party. Taking a page from U.S. political history, lies never produce the results they promise. Good luck France, reach into your conscious and vote your best interests Sunday. The world awaits your collective decision if politics still operates in France.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 6, 2017 4:19:35 AM | 1

But what will be the long-term outcome in the epic fight of globalists versus nationalists - in France, in Europe and elsewhere?

It will prove, yet again on the global stage, that a completely manufactured centrist formula can defeat a long term right or left political movement.

Posted by: MadMax2 | May 6, 2017 4:40:12 AM | 2

"It seems clear so far the the synthetic Rothschild candidate will win this round."

That's the way it's shaping up, despite the weirdness of Obama adding his name to the Kiss Of Death list of pro-Micron Swamp Dwellers headed by such unpopular has-beens as Hollande, Sarkozy et al.
There's too much contrived 'flexibility' in this charade. In Round 1 the voter-participation rate settled at 77.1% after early cites that it was a fraction under 70%. That's a huge jump in a factor which normally reveals reliable trends. Also the 'abstain in disgust' demographic has been over-hyped from the day after results were announced.

The final outcome will hinge on how gullible/docile French voters are, historically-speaking.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 6, 2017 5:41:47 AM | 3

the abstain thing was overhyped for one and only reason, put the "shame" on the the left so that'll cut their chances for the June Legsilatives election (the one that counts contrary to the sunday joke). It's the only reason all major tv/radio/newspapers spent the last 2 weeks vociferating against Melenchon & his voters as "irresponsible" while 90% of those insulted will NOT vote for Le Pen. That would be total nonsense if the thing those media were fighting was Le Pen...

Posted by: roflmaousse | May 6, 2017 6:50:30 AM | 4

France will be rudderless, adrift, enduring a exponential increase in violence and internal political and cultural strife. Then, next election Le Pen will nab it. They aren't there yet.

Problem is with the media and the establishment EU globalists, all dissenting and opposite views will be quashed even further under the 'fighting terrorism' guise. People will be smeared, fined, arrested, jailed, whatever it takes for them to maintain a grip on power.

I see the UK is now wanting to introduce more investigatory powers on the web essentially eliminating end to end encryption. The EU countries are going to go full Big Brother before they let the populist right movement gain any more traction. Again, they may only be delaying the inevitable.

Posted by: Gravatomic | May 6, 2017 8:03:53 AM | 6

@Hoarsewhisperer

They do seem to be very gullible to a point, then the lid comes off every so often. It isn't time yet, they will vote for the current status, the perceived stability for they see unknowns with Le Pen, and with the older generations it's all about what they fear, unrealistically as it may be, everything they have worked hard for all their lives will erode under Le Pen. Therein lies the crux, they are in lock down mode media wise, great propagandists.

Posted by: Gravatomic | May 6, 2017 8:08:56 AM | 7

@Formerly T-Bear | May 6, 2017 4:19:35 AM | 1

Agree absolutely.

In addition I would say that France is the third rate country of importance, politically, economically and first and foremost militarily. It is the follower not the maker of policies on global scene. Difference between candidates is negligible and product of the European false categorization on "left" and "right". For those who likes political correctness of liberal/fascism there is "centrist" candidates as "lesser evil".

Posted by: AKSA | May 6, 2017 8:17:52 AM | 8

Yes the russian-hating-blaming-millionare Macron will win no doubt, the election is more or less fixed after the propaganda campaing for him everywhere in the west.
The same Macron and MSM are already cooking up disinformation about russian hackers, theese people are insane, and its also a sign of what policy he will carry out.

-Pro-bankers
-Pro-war
-Pro-establishment
-Anti-Russia
-Pro-Nato
-Pro EU

Long term though? Next election Le Pen or whoever rule her party will win.
It will also cause more extremism because the elite under Macron wont deal with regular people and their problems but with the elite.

I cant see why anyone would vote for Macron, even his eyes/looks are slimy.

Posted by: Anon | May 6, 2017 8:27:13 AM | 9

Another Leaks about emails, this time about Macron. The difference is that nobody is allowed to publish any part of it by the electoral commission (15,000 euros fine). No doubt there will be a huge crackdown on alt media once he gets elected.

France is an occupied country, much more than the US

http://theduran.com/breaking-macron-email-hacking-shows-that-free-speech-is-dead-in-france/

Posted by: Jean | May 6, 2017 8:32:33 AM | 10

What's the possibility that a large proportion of the French public polled who said they would vote for Emmanuel Macron might in fact vote for Marine le Pen instead? What's the possibility that le Pen will receive a large proportion of her votes from people who would vote for anyone who looks like a winner, regardless of political and ideological affiliations, simply to stop Macron from winning?

Posted by: Jen | May 6, 2017 8:42:45 AM | 11

to be fair though, those emails leaks seem totally dull. I browsed what I could, it's just generic staff chat, campaign bills to pay, bills to make, yadda yadda Whoever got the mail passwords few months ago must have waited for something juicy to land and since nothing really interesting came up, they're just posting the whole stock as is. Won't make the slightest difference on sunday.

Posted by: roflmaousse | May 6, 2017 8:43:48 AM | 12

roflmaousse

Exactly. I wouldnt be surprised if its Macron team itself that leaked this dull, uninportant stuff to show that "russians have interfered".

Posted by: Anon | May 6, 2017 8:52:27 AM | 13

@jen : what possibility ? none
Macron won 1st step with the intense fear campaign spammed on our heads during 6 months. I know plenty reasonable people who voted Macron while they hardly can stand his program, because they were told hundreds times he was the "best choice" to beat Le Pen. And that's it. They probably don't fully believe it, but the doubt was hammered deep in their mind, and they won't take the (imaginary) risk to appear the on "wrong" side of history and be shamed for years... And the same thing will obviously happen tomorrow.

That's so absurd Macron got the most votes last sunday AND at the same time got the LOWEST "adhesion" (adherence ? not sure in english) rate of all 11 candidates, basically nearly half of "his" voters put the bulletin with his name for reasons that have nothing to do with him.

Posted by: roflmaousse | May 6, 2017 9:04:11 AM | 14

they're both pro-Zionist. Just another shell game of an election whilst the media does its assigned job of shouting loudly about some supposed vast gulf existing between the 2 candidates. Having said that, if I was French there's just no way I could vote for a slimy Rothschild banking reptile like Macron. At least Le Pen appears to be an actual human.

Posted by: Nick | May 6, 2017 9:37:22 AM | 15

Without Trump's 100 first days, le Pen would probably have done better, possibly even taken it. The French have been given full flood propaganda that Marine le Pen is the equivalent of Donald Trump. She is not. There are some similarities, but le Pen is more nuanced than Trump, far more experienced in politics, and would be at least somewhat more consistent with her campaign promises.

That said, she is not the economic "populist" many imagine and many more hope for. Her actual platform would be remarkably like that of Obama or Hillary; neoliberal. Of the two areas she might make improvements in, and the emphasis should be on "might", one of them is avoiding participation in every war that the US starts up in the Middle East as well as all the Putin bashing that is de rigeur for US allies. The other is possibly succeeding in upending the European Union and the Eurozone - which as it stands, does everything for rapacious banks and an export at any cost dependent Germany, and nothing for anyone else other than a small group of plutocrats.

Posted by: Brooklin Bridge | May 6, 2017 10:12:06 AM | 16

long term outcome of globalists verses nationalists? the globalists are going to win, and full on slavery will continue to ensue.. the younger generations will not see the comforts and lifestyle their parents enjoyed - far from it in fact.. freedoms will be clamped down, alternative views will be made illegal and stuff like that.. after that, there is a small chance people will possibly wake up, but i wouldn't count on it.. in france, terrorism will continue.. in europe a greater malaise will prevail.. in the world, things look to be falling apart.. maybe more war for all the wrong reasons, if nothing else.. macron will be onside with global dominance thru the west of syria.. the usual lame excuses will be trotted out..

Posted by: james | May 6, 2017 10:14:24 AM | 17

" the epic fight of globalists versus nationalists"

No. It is the epic fight of corporatists versus nationalists.

Corporations are trying to assert themselves as bigger, better and more powerful than states. Time to remind corporatists that they exist only at the will and control of a state. By allowing a corporation to establish themselves, the state should be their front, Potemkin village or not.

This US has ceded much of their power to corporations. Past time to take it back.

Posted by: Bardi | May 6, 2017 10:43:56 AM | 18

Macron, next Pres. of France, an exceptional person. (I am not a fan.)

A strand in F politics / commentators etc. brands him as a candidat fabriqué, a candidat du système a sort of cut-out ersatz pol, created and boosted by the financial elites, Mega Corps., banking - as he worked for Rotschild, etc. The MSM, particularly magazines... ensuring his win with 24/24 favorable coverage. Sure, he is young, good-looking, etc.

This pov is conveniently conspiratorial, and the media support is real; yet, the MSM merely follow and go for the winner, in kind of positive feed-back loop, pretty mindless.

“Manu” - pour les intimes - is very clever, tough, and determined to rise / become powerful since he was a precocious child, attracted to and competing within the world of adults, since the age of 5?… Yes, a psych profile approach is superficial, junky, or only one aspect. The ‘parental’ love of his life was his grand-mother. Manu took decisions about his life very young. At 12 he was baptised Catholic, by his decision. Pic in church first from coll. of pix young Macron, Gala gossip mag.

http://photo.gala.fr/emmanuel-macron-et-brigitte-trogneux-retour-sur-leur-rencontre-lorsqu-il-etait-lyceen-22835

At 15 -17 he decided he would marry the teacher B. Trogneux (24 years older than him, with one child older than him, another the same age and in his class at school), and he managed that. The ‘unconventional’ marriage is now 100% accepted, and even a I’d say a ‘plus’ point, in the sense that ‘different love-lives’ tinged with trangression attract support from certain quarters. Some gays support Macron as rumors about him being gay with his older wife as a ‘mommy type cover’ indulging in an affair with some sultry media guy.

Macron is an opportunist taking advantage of the break-down of trad. F politics - death of the Socialist party, divisions on the right, oppos parties no clout, Sarkozy despised, Hollande then more so.. to present a quasi ‘evangelical’ solution as a last ditch effort against decline, sinking GDP per capita, > as ‘collaborationist’ with the US-EU-NATO - etc. He is most likely quite, or semi-sincere, in his desire to fix it all. A 'maverick' who is yet 'hyper conventional' - a very conventional profile!

@ Gravatomic at 6. Le Pen will never win, the FN will never have a ‘prez.’ About the social unrest, yes.

Posted by: Noir22 | May 6, 2017 10:54:49 AM | 19

@16Brooklin Bridge

You're right about Trump I think. Even if the 100 day benchmark is arbitrary it's something that's paid a lot of attention. It's been very unsettling for a lot of Americans. Other countries have been watching closely. They watched as Trump front loaded his cabinet with bankers and generals. They wondered whatever happened to nonintervention and draining the swamp. They wondered if the demonization of certain religious and ethnic groups was the harbinger of a brave new world that wasn't all that brave or all that new. His attack on all things environmental, while weather events become worse year by year, strictly to accommodate big business is another problem. So is the new health bill that gives the coup de grâce to any idea that he's the champion of the common man.

This whole idea of turning everything upside down to spark some kind of political renewal has taken a few hits of late. After Trump's election and Brexit the there was a school of thought that had it that upcoming elections in Europe would fall in line with the new political philosophy. First would be The Netherlands, that didn't happen. Then it would be France, unless something very drastic and unexpected happens then that's another bad bet. Nobody's yet surmising that Merkel is toast. In spite of the unpopularity of her immigration policy at its outset it may be that Germans are ready to forgive her that and stick with the status quo. I don't know enough about English politics to guess if any party can unseat May but it's evident that a lot of Brits are wishing that Brexit had failed.

In any case the French election will go a long way to determining if the new philosophy of undoing all the constructs since WW11 is what the people want. it's starting to look like it isn't. The losers are sure to cry that big finance and the press skewered the vote but it might just be that the French are happy the way things are.


Posted by: peter | May 6, 2017 11:12:00 AM | 20

To me, the only interesting part of the final round is what percentage of French voters choose 'non'. The more say no, the slimmer the mandate Macron will have for more austerity, more EU domination, more rule by the banking elite. Either way his real troubles begin after election as the same policies of the disastrous Hollande government (for which he was finance minister) will continue with their 4% approval rating.

Posted by: WorldBLee | May 6, 2017 11:56:49 AM | 21

Bardi @ 18 posted: " the epic fight of globalists versus nationalists"

"No. It is the epic fight of corporatists versus nationalists."

Exactly! Throw out the old semantics of "Right" or "Left". Not applicable anymore.

It's now "Corporatists" against the 99%ers, whatever you want to call them.

Posted by: ben | May 6, 2017 12:18:51 PM | 23

P.S.--Good luck France, I think you're screwed either way.. Just like the U$A, you have picked the wrong person to oppose Le Pen!

Posted by: ben | May 6, 2017 12:23:27 PM | 24

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Emmanuel Macron will have to make a decisive move on Europe
The most exciting promise of his candidacy is the agenda for eurozone reform
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Emmanuel Macron has a convincing lead in the polls, but a low turnout among his more reluctant supporters could still produce a result too close for comfort.

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The final round of the French presidential election on May 7 should not really be a contest. Mr Macron has the backing of more or less the entire political establishment — from the left to the centre-right. But events can intrude even in such a situation and already have. His decision to celebrate his first-round victory in a smart brasserie in Paris’s sixth arrondissement was politically illiterate. During a visit to a Whirlpool factory in Amiens, northern France, Mr

Macron was upstaged by his opponent, Marine Le Pen, leader of the far right National Front. As a political campaigner she is in a different league. If she crushes him in Wednesday’s television debate, she might have a chance.

The problem with Mr Macron’s agenda is that nobody really knows how he can make it work. The role of the French president is powerful, but the fate of François Hollande should serve as a cautionary tale of the limits of what a president can do. Mr Hollande’s Socialists at least had a majority in the National Assembly, the French parliament. It is not clear whether Mr Macron will have a single MP after the legislative elections in June. Will he end up as a mere figurehead — like the German president — whose job is to shake hands and give grand speeches? Or can he find a way to force change?


Posted by: okie farmer | May 6, 2017 12:36:20 PM | 25

globalists - corporations... what is supposed to be the difference? i missed the memo, lol..

Posted by: james | May 6, 2017 12:48:03 PM | 26

Macron will be to France what Obama has been to the US.
Just like Obama's presidency made possible Trump's victory four years later, Macron's presidency will make possible a Front National victory in five years.

Here's my prediction: five years from now, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen will win the presidential elections.

Posted by: Passerby | May 6, 2017 12:51:56 PM | 27

@27 that's assuming we aren't nearing mad max/the road levels world wide

Posted by: aaaa | May 6, 2017 1:06:24 PM | 28

Once in power, he's fool enough (pushed by his backers) to declare war to Russia.

Posted by: jean | May 6, 2017 1:11:49 PM | 29

@19 noirette

sounds like the french will find in micro endless, magnificent diversion from the collapse of their republic at the hands of his puppet masters the financiers. had he a religion at all before choosing to become a catholic at 12? or just ambition?

Posted by: jfl | May 6, 2017 1:11:51 PM | 30

@30 i see now ... the americans have hacked the french election!

Posted by: jfl | May 6, 2017 1:13:48 PM | 31

The Chancellors of the French universities have asked their students to vote Macron.(Link in French) Not a single Chancellor has asked students to vote Le Pen. The same can be said of the French press.

The media barrage in favor of Macron has been so one-sided, some Frenchmen call their country jokingly "East Corea"

Posted by: Passerby | May 6, 2017 1:26:44 PM | 32

I find it difficult to hear people praising Le Pen who won't have to live under her presidency.
Let me remind you that Europe had more than its share of nationalist wars, and the last thing the continent needs are governments adding fuel to the fire of existing tensions.

Macron is a puppet, but in the end he'll do what's necessary to stabilize things.
Le Pen might well blow things up and lead to civil war.

Posted by: smuks | May 6, 2017 1:30:39 PM | 33

@jfl

It should be obvious by now that the 'deep state' wants Le Pen.
The EU is in the process of 'taming' capital, which is why powerful forces want to destroy it.

Posted by: smuks | May 6, 2017 1:35:43 PM | 34

Truth be told, even if she hadn't much chance of winning, Le Pen could've hoped to go close to 45% if she had played it right and campaigned well. She totally blew it with an awful performance in the debate, though, while Macron was probably a bit better than expected.
The most worrying bit is that voters who sided with Macron might feel compelled to give him a majority in parliament, which is the key. Considering how human psychoology tends to work too often, there will be a follower/commitment effect with some voters, who have crossed a line by voting for him and will find it less abhorrent to back him again in the legislative elections.
If that happens, imho, it would mean France had just gone through a coup, and democracy is dead there. The good news is that it means that sooner or later, bloody revolution will sweep the country - but it might take time and, as most if not all revolutions, will probably not be thorough enough in wiping out the ruling elites.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | May 6, 2017 1:40:30 PM | 35

@33 smuks quote "Macron is a puppet, but in the end he'll do what's necessary to stabilize things." there is stability and then there is stability.. if a house of cards needs to be held up - macron is the man, lol..

Posted by: james | May 6, 2017 1:50:01 PM | 36

Will people of France show that they are worthy their great sons like Voltaire and vote their conscience or will they vote out of fear and intimidation?

That is the question.

I admit that French people or EU citizen may have totally different view of the French political process from perspective of the details and particularities they are acutely aware of, than my view from The US, by may be this very distance and emotionally cold judgment of outsider is needed as well to have truly a big picture of what is going on.

I am not a supporter of Le Pen and hell no, not supporter of a “French Trump” Macron, Yes, it is Macron in my opinion that is French Trump, a Flaccid Clown of Global Oligarchy while Le Pen is slightly reversed Sanders as far as elements of political platform that matter for ordinary people in France and the US.

None of them are politically radical in any shape or form, and definitely not Marine Le Pen who just want to ask French people what to do since they never had really a chance to do so. Either to support continuing pauperization of society and allowing for further collapse of French sovereignty and cultural autonomy which is one of the pillars of European culture and western tradition and hence retain status quo or reject it by demanding EU to return to its EEC roots and give up on a superstate projects like Euro or banking unity/ECB. And that is the highest crime in Brussels and hence she was set for at least metaphorical assassination of her character and her populist appeal.

Brilliant move by Marine Le Pen was to campaign on her own more centrist platform and not be obliged to follow strictly FN platform as a FN leader would have to follow.

In fact as Macron was first who shed his discrediting Socialist label as hated Hollande minister, now Le Pen shed her FN right-wing and neo-fascist label to commence entirely new campaign as true French populist and nationalist.

She already told French that they have a clear choice between neoliberal oligarchic rule of globalists under a thieving investment banker or French people rule under populist leader liken to de Gaulle.

Does she have a chance against unified block of French MSM media and Globalist media worldwide, against slander, lies and fake news, against 95% of largest French press being against her? Not likely, especial that as it was documented CIA has capabilities and used them to manipulate french elections already in the past. But it is more complicated than that and Marine Le Pen is not Trump.

The real issue in these elections though will be how strong roots of sociopolitical/economic dependency on EU imperial clique are in France and believe me they are strong.

Millions of French know or feel there are dependent of Brussels and will vote status-quo regardless even of their suffering, threatened with supposedly worse alternative under Le Pen.

How strong such a calcifying paralysis may be was shown in Roman empire collapsing over two centuries only because people supported status-quo in fear of change into unknown, even when the world around them was collapsing.

But if Le Pen thinks she can do without a sort of "revolution" metaphorically breaking legs and heads, she is not gonna get anywhere since the autocratic EU system is designed to prevent popular upheavals and drastic changes to the EU imperial order of bureaucratic rule.

EU has all the money, power, courts and propaganda machine to derail Le Pen presidency without another French revolution to defend it.

Even case of Brexit showed that EU turned from happy family of loving EU nations to a pool of viscous brats, little puny weasels, exhibiting embarrassing insecure teenage hysteria, wanting revenge and nursing their personal hurt feelings, pretending to be conducting supposedly rational and serious international negotiations among formally at least, sovereign countries.

This Sunday we will know if in France once again fear prevailed over courage.

Posted by: Kalen | May 6, 2017 1:58:21 PM | 37

Posted by: Passerby | May 6, 2017 1:26:44 PM | 32
(Uni Chancellors united behind Micron)

Another addition to the Hollande-Sarko-Obama Kiss Of Death list?
If underdog-ism is as valid in France as it is in Oz.au then Marine Le Pen's 2017 Presidency in the bag.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 6, 2017 2:10:42 PM | 38

Le Pen and Fake News Attack in Debate

The Macron campaign identified the first tweet referring to the documents as coming from the Twitter account of a far-right activist and convicted felon based in northern California.
    The Macron campaign identified the first tweet referring to the documents as coming from the Twitter account of Nathan Damigo, a far-right activist and convicted felon based in northern California. Damigo is known on social media for punching a female anti-fascist in the face at a Berkeley protest.

Berkeley Gets Trolled By The Alt-Right — Again

France Election: Fake News As It Happened
    Originated online in California, just before the 2.5 hour debate between Le Pen and Macron.

Posted by: Oui | May 6, 2017 2:28:11 PM | 39

@ Hoarsewhisperer | May 6, 2017 2:10:42 PM | 38

Would you recall that very famous picture of Harry Truman holding up the paper with the name of the winner of the 1948 election with a serious grin on his face? Who's to say the same factors aren't at work here as well, this time as French farce. One can always hope until Schrödinger's boxed cat is opened, but then YMMD.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 6, 2017 2:36:18 PM | 40

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 6, 2017 2:36:18 PM | 40
(Dewey Defeats Truman!)

I wasn't aware of that Media Glitch and had to look it up.
And I like it, thanks.
The thing I find irksome about the Kiss Of Death list is that EVERY entity on it would, in a Fair & Just (imaginary) World, stfu and trust The People (excuse my French).
Actually, French Kiss Of Death may prove to be a more accurate label...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 6, 2017 3:03:29 PM | 41

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 6, 2017 3:03:29 PM | 41

French Kiss = having something shoved down one's throat...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 6, 2017 3:10:15 PM | 42

Melenchon is the one to listen to to understand the situation in France. While he didn't make it into round two, he has a good chance of a large parliamentary victory in the round of elections after the presidential one. He's been locked out of the English-language press in the U.S. and Britain (he falls outside their narrow spectrum of acceptable political views) so you have to read the French press (I use Google Translate) or watch his youtube (with subcaptions) channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsGkA4TXqyw

Melenchon is the only one who points out the realities (translate from Lemonde):

In order to combat mass immigration, which is mainly internal to developing countries, the causes of migration must be tackled: the impossibility of any development in the countries of departure, due to debts and Structural adjustment policies imposed by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) or the World Bank, the plundering of resources by multinationals and free trade.

Here’s Melenchon on Africa, LeMonde Feb 17:

“We are part of the political camp that was against colonialism and for the self-determination of peoples. We know the misfortunes endured, but we consider that it is up to historians to write history and not to politicians to instrumentalize it. It seems to us more urgent to fight the scourge of ultraliberal predation that is falling on Africa.”

“The best advantage that France can derive from it is the harmonious and successful development of African societies. If we consider only the climatic risk, it is 250 million migrants whose humanity will have to deal with by 2050. It is time to ensure a balanced development that does not aggravate the state of the planet. But the condition for achieving this is to return Africa to the Africans, to ensure national and popular sovereignty on the bases advocated by Thomas Sankara or Patrice Lumumba.” [Notably Lumumba was overthrown and killed in a CIA-supported coup in 1961]

“The defense agreements, and in particular their secret clauses – which have the real objective of controlling popular movements for the benefit of dictators – must be denounced by democratic scrutiny by Parliament. In the event that some of these bases are maintained, military cooperation can only be envisaged with democracies, with priority being given to the formation of an independent national republican army.”

Can you imagine any U.S. politician pledging to end military cooperation with Saudi Arabia unless it converts to a democratic form of government? Maybe Tulsi Gabbard, I don't know.

Posted by: nonsense factory | May 6, 2017 3:12:22 PM | 43

@ 41-2 Hoarsewhisperer | May 6, 2017 3:03:29

Outside the fact most media pre-prepare their headlines for such occasions when time does not allow for late information to be disseminated by normal publishing procedures, the Dewey / Truman was marked by the media believing their own propaganda to the extent they became divorced from reality. This recently has shown its tracks in the Clinton / Trump campaign with 'interesting result' - the Russians did it! It also had effect in Brexit as well and may be at work in France, though time will tell the better story there. Propaganda may be omnipotent in many ways, it certainly isn't omniscient and predicting the future of things that haven't happened is notoriously difficult.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 6, 2017 3:52:23 PM | 44

Whoever wins the French presidency can be helped or hobbled by other factors. Macron has no effective political party in the French parliament, the fictional party he was supported by has no parliamentary standing and is unlikely to obtain standing. M. Le Pen's party has been on the margins of the French political spectrum but does have an identifiable political history that is evolving from its origins. Of the two, the least likely to effect disastrous policy on the French public is the FN of Le Pen, it is a known and does have knowledgable opposition to waywardness; not so Macron who hasn't revealed who supports or funds his candidacy for the office. That would be the greatest danger to the French Republic. About this time tomorrow, the electorate will have spoken.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 6, 2017 4:06:17 PM | 45

Lol the french regime now warn people not to spread the leak... apparently that is a "criminal offense"!

https://tinyurl.com/m7a37ew

You cant make this stuff up! Censorship is here and accepted, scary.

Posted by: Anon | May 6, 2017 4:10:36 PM | 46

Vive la France!

Posted by: john | May 6, 2017 4:18:13 PM | 47

The French still collect billions of whatever currency you want to use from their ex-African colonies. An agreement for paying the French for leaving and for the "benefits of colonialism". It's a big % of the French government budget - straight from the poorest countries on the planet. This is why I hate France with all my heart.

Posted by: mischi | May 6, 2017 4:55:06 PM | 48

Posted by: Noir22 | May 6, 2017 10:54:49 AM | 19

Great post. Especially:


Macron is an opportunist taking advantage of the break-down of trad. F politics.

With regards to FN's steady rise over decades, this really is well forecasted opportunism at work here. Spot climate trending too far in one direction, find slogan like 'never le pen', install manufactured centre left/right cardboard cutout.

And (as far as the west goes with it's super concentrated media power nearly running off one script) it could nearly be cut and pasted into any race where one side strays too far from centre. I'm sure there is a couple of seminars at Davos about it.

Posted by: MadMax2 | May 6, 2017 5:01:22 PM | 49

And these poseurs believe that they are the "facilitators" :(

http://www.france24.com/en/20170425-marine-le-pen-american-inner-circle-lombardi-usa-far-right-support?ref=tw

When far-right National Front leader Marine Le Pen Marine made it through to the run-off of the French presidential election on Sunday, some powerful people in the United States were celebrating.

One is hoping to be celebrating in Paris tomorrow.
BTW: The dual nationals : French -Israeli may have to rethink in which country they would want to live should Marine become Mme La Présidente ( she has said that she won't allow French citizens to have Israeli passports )

Posted by: Yul | May 6, 2017 5:04:41 PM | 50

Here's my prediction: five years from now, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen will win the presidential elections.

Posted by: Passerby | May 6, 2017 12:51:56 PM | 27
===============================

Marion Maréchal-Le Pen is [allegedly] the daughter of Roger Auque:

Roger Auque died from brain cancer on September 8, 2014, at the age of 58. He revealed in a book that was published posthumously in 2015 that he had been a Mossad agent.

. . . . .

In 1989, he is said to have fathered a child with Yann, the daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen.

This daughter, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, elected deputy in 2012, was born out of wedlock and subsequently recognized by Yann's husband, Samuel Maréchal, a fact only revealed publicly in 2013 in a book by Christine Clerc titled "Les Conquérantes."[6]

Posted by: Just Sayin' | May 6, 2017 5:26:12 PM | 51

This is the best thing I have seen:

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/05/06/election-eve/

Posted by: Dan Berg | May 6, 2017 5:38:32 PM | 52

macron is a rothschild blackmailed gaydar
alas
lepen is a transgendered tavistock london project
like super zionist chabad ask a nazi transman trump

not forgeting may man of london
a sick a twisted talmud world.

nttyahoo wants oded yinon growth
growth via country instability
he demands his so called people must return to israhell

but what about the real world

this is how it is one final solution for all the goy

Former Isreali Ambassador: "North Korea Needs To Be Wiped Off the Map" !!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5BioO03VtI

Posted by: dr klaus wunderlick | May 6, 2017 5:58:05 PM | 53

Mischi @ 48: Those Francophone African countries that are part of the West African and Central African Franc currency zones were among the most enthusiastic backers of Colonel Muammar Gaddhafi's pan-African "gold dinar" economic market. No wonder Nicolas Sarkozy signed onto the US no-fly zone over Libya idiocy tout de suite in 2011.

Posted by: Jen | May 6, 2017 6:25:58 PM | 54

In these times, it really shows how small influence people have, it is media and their millionare candidate that have already fixiated the election with their huge power. Quite sad.

Posted by: Anon | May 6, 2017 6:34:25 PM | 55

Its a fight between a woman who wanted to kill the father and a man who wanted to marry his mothef, as someone put it.

Posted by: Mina | May 6, 2017 6:52:10 PM | 56

Californian leak? Who cares, the msm have already blamed the ruskies all day

Posted by: Mina | May 6, 2017 6:55:59 PM | 57

@46 anon.. that macron leak story has legs! i like what some guy on twitter said - "Amazing that the French government and media now stand as enemies of freedom of speech." who whudda thunk it? lol... remind anyone of any other countries?

Posted by: james | May 6, 2017 7:02:12 PM | 58

So cute from the bbc that he doesnt want to reveal the contents of the leak although nothing obliges it to

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39830379

Posted by: Mina | May 6, 2017 7:06:12 PM | 59

AKSA 8
The relative lack of power of France made me wonder the real reason why they led the NATO attack on Libya. Was it the financial dealings between Sarkozy and Gaddhafi like some sites say or were they really prodded by the US to lead the way of the overall game plan?

Posted by: Curtis | May 6, 2017 9:54:21 PM | 60

"initiated" not led. The real lead was the US.

Posted by: Curtis | May 6, 2017 9:57:00 PM | 61

USA will win anyway. Macron and Dupont-Aignan (prime minister of Le Pen) was both member of the program of "The Young Leaders : French-American Foundation France": http://french-american.org/en/initiatives/young-leaders/
Its means neoliberalism, NATO and free finance.

Posted by: franck-y | May 6, 2017 10:38:04 PM | 62

Indeed, Macron is basically married to his mother already in a way:

Macron married to a 24 year older wife
https://www.thestar.com/life/2017/04/27/french-presidential-candidates-older-wife-only-scandalous-to-the-rest-of-the-world-timson.html

Posted by: Anon | May 7, 2017 3:09:11 AM | 63

Macron's dirty secrets according to The Duran: http://theduran.com/breaking-macron-emails-lead-to-allegations-of-drug-use-homosexual-adventurism-and-rothschild-money/

Posted by: Shakesvshav | May 7, 2017 4:02:44 AM | 64

Well well well... you know... its france... le pen's mother made nacked pictures for french playboy when she divorced the father... another one is on x... just pawns.

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 4:16:59 AM | 65

The MSM are going to be embarassed with the leaks. On one side they keep referring to the Ruskies and Trump, and on the other no one among the Western politicians has a B plan in case Trump continues to wreck havoc (and he will).
Next week, he goes to KSA before Israel and since the Saudi prince said it would be 'historical' we can bet KSA will announce the recognizance of Israel
Then step 2 will be to say Syria and Iran: you recognize or we turn you to Somalia.
And where will Junker, Hollande, Macron and co go then?

(as for Le Pen she's not a suggestion; she's been changing her views almost every week except on the fate she reserves to gypsies, latest she went to explain the Zionist lobby that she supports the colonies)
http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/politique/fn/comment-marine-le-pen-cherche-a-seduire-la-communaute-juive_1777887.html
http://www.alterinfo.net/LE-PEN-DRAGUE-LES-ELECTEURS-JUIFS-JUSQU-EN-ISRAEL_a129982.html

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 5:07:56 AM | 66

even Wikileaks says the metadata is full of cyrillic. clumsiness or the will to point towards the usual culprits?
not sure if Hollande has really turned into a Machiavel but that sounds like him

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 5:29:38 AM | 67

Well, the Guillotine is alive and well in France; the most recent victim's: Liberté, égalité, fraternité; long live Liberté, égalité, fraternité...

Posted by: V. Arnold | May 7, 2017 5:51:24 AM | 68

In my opinion Le Pen isn't pro-Russian. She is anti Muslim. Trump also isn't pro-Russian. Trump is extremely pro-Israeli. Jared Kushner isn't a Russian guy. Wiki Leaks has published nothing about Israel so far. So, why do people everywhere see Russian agents and no one talks about Jewish agents in the US and other western countries? Unbelievable blindness. Only a few journos from small alternative media outlets dare to cover the issue.

Posted by: hmm | May 7, 2017 5:53:30 AM | 69

Posted by: smuks | May 6, 2017 1:35:43 PM | 34

+1.

Good news for the UK' EU trembles as Marine Le Pen victory 'would make pound STRONGER

A VICTORY for Marine Le Pen could make the British pound stronger as Brexit Britain becomes a financial safe haven compared to the disintegrating Eurozone, a finance chief has claimed.

b. there is no "Rothschild" candidate, the bank always wins.

War in a disintegrating EU? Great opportunity.

Posted by: somebody | May 7, 2017 7:33:28 AM | 70

Re: Posted by: peter | May 6, 2017 11:12:00 AM | 20

The French Legislative Elections (June 11 & 18) are now incredibly unpredictable.

With five competing political forces (Socialists, Republicans, National Front, En Marche, Melenchon's voters?) what will happen?

It seems completely unpredictable.

Posted by: Jules | May 7, 2017 7:35:24 AM | 71

@34 smuks, 'The EU is in the process of 'taming' capital ...'

wow. can you really believe that?

Posted by: jfl | May 7, 2017 7:52:02 AM | 72

plus 70

Anthony Sutton : Wall Street financed Communism and Nazism

"The best monopoly there is, is the corporate state"

All wars are bankers wars

US policy recommendations regarding Europe - Heritage foundation

More broadly, the U.S. should reconsider whether blindly supporting the EU is in America’s best interests. The EU is a supranational organization that infringes on national sovereignty. It prevents the creation of genuine transatlantic free trade areas, harms transatlantic security, distorts European immigration policies, and wastes taxpayer money.

Posted by: somebody | May 7, 2017 8:18:57 AM | 73

jfl @ 30. Something like that yes! - no religion afaik before 12 yrs. (Macron.)

jen wrote: "What’s the possibility that le Pen will receive a large proportion of her votes from people who would vote for anyone who looks like a winner, regardless of political and ideological affiliations, simply to stop Macron from winning?"

MLP will not attract votes as ‘the winner’ as it is known that she is, and probably always will be - a loser. Yet, some Mélenchon - Fillon, ‘other’ voters, who are rabidly against Macron, will vote Le Pen. The anti-Macron crowd was discussing voting MLP/abstention/nul vote to death on boards, and some said, heh go for MLP.

My prediction was that the outcome would be closer to 70-30 than 60-40, in favor of Macron; for sure MLP will pick up some anti-M voters, not enough though imho to change that prediction, but who knows, trivial details, no matter.

More seriously.. It is generally assumed, or put forward, that Le Pen voters are the poor, the unemployed, the ugly racists, etc. - see Trump and Brexit. While the correlation with region/unemployment is high (as in GB and rust-belt US), for the rest it doesn’t hold.

The poor - those under the poverty line or severely disadvantaged, vote exactly the same as the national average, that is, not more for the FN, Le Pen, or FN candidates. (no link..)

Le Pen’s *presumed electorate* in the worker category, i.e. low-paid private-sector employees (factories, supermarkets, services, small biz, agri, etc.; *State* personnel votes socialist) is imho made up of roughly 3 equal parts.

Le Pen voters, who decry globalisation, foreignors, terrorists, muslims, etc. / the remnants of the left (socialist - Trotskyist - add anarchist - ..), who voted Mélenchon or not at all / those who are ‘foreign’ - outcasts in any case - and thus can’t rally to Le Pen or to anyone.. and just keep their heads down.

The divide-to-rule strategy has worked perfectly on these workers. In two factories I know of, the 3 different groups don’t speak to each other, except as routine politeness / ugly jokes small skirmish etc., as they are all in the same boat, subject to the same oppressive rules, etc. though some contacts/friendships cross these lines.

Marine is not pro-worker, and 2/3 ppl working one or two jobs of that type or those wanting to actually GET a job like that are aware. The last third grabs an opportunity to make noise, be heard, posture, play some kind of role, etc.

Posted by: Noir22 | May 7, 2017 9:13:49 AM | 74

Listening to NPR spreading their propaganda about French elections made me want to vomit. Are the majority of western folks really as stupid as they seem to be? Judging by the crap people post on Facebook I'd say yes. The more "educated" a person is the more likely they are to believe the lies.

Started watching 500 Nations about Europeans 'discovering' the Americas and all the brutality that came from it... had to turn it off because it isn't the sort of program a person wants to watch right before bed (unless one likes horror tales before sleep)

All Spanish, English, French, South American, Central American and North American people should be required to watch it and contemplate our future based on this terrible past. Brutal thugs is what most of our supposed 'hero/discoverers' were, just like now.

We continue to repeat the past, doing the same stupid crap that brought us to this moment in time when we have the ability to wipe our species off the face of the planet (as well as most other too). Will we continue on the road to mutually assured destruction, or will we try something new?

As for the farce in France... I think Brandon Smith at Alt-Market.com has a good grasp of what the elite are trying to do. He has a series of articles postulating what he believes is the long game of the bankers and other wealthy feces, mostly using Trump as the example of how nationalist/conservatives are being set-up for a big fall. Interesting point of view that I find rather rational considering all the craziness taking place.

His latest posting Why Trump is flipped on campaign promises

And the post I have bookmarked Economic end game explained

As always I appreciate everyone's contributions to MoA, Thanks

Dave

Posted by: David Shinn | May 7, 2017 9:36:32 AM | 75

Every nation in Europe and the USA have at least 25-30% nativist, nationalist, (name of country here)-first voters. Trump managed to take advantage of a nearly dysfunctional electoral system, a fawning, celebrity-obsessed media and a highly disliked opposition candidate to gain enough popular votes to win.

Other systems are not as dysfunctional, nor are their media as useless, but they will remain a presence on the political landscape, ready to exploit any weaknesses they can use to their advantage.

Posted by: ralphieboy | May 7, 2017 9:53:15 AM | 76

An election of historic correlation between the bsnker snd the fascist.

Posted by: Giap | May 7, 2017 10:10:01 AM | 77

Everybody expected Le Pen to be much stronger than Macron for the debate on Wednesday. Instead, she made a fool of herself and certainly lost a number of her own voters. check "Macron Le Pen débat" on google you will probably find videos. the image and sounds should be enough without need of subtitles.

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 10:10:15 AM | 78

@"somebody" In the depths of the Depression, Comrade Vissarionovich sought loans from Wall Street to industrialize Soviet industry. Wall Street was happy to oblige: the rest of the world was on its knees. Stalin knew what was coming; he had read Mein Kampf; he had fought the Whites. No doubt Wall Street thought they could usurp the Bolshevik revolution. They were wrong.

See here for the antidote to Sutton's BS:
http://www.stalinsociety.org/2016/03/04/the-real-stalin-series-part-six-industrialization/

Posted by: ruralito | May 7, 2017 10:17:30 AM | 79

Really? Asking the question of what will be the long term result of elections within the bailiwick of the western plutocracy? I believe it is long past the time of crystal ball gazing and time to grow up and face the reality of the situation. Any political entity that is not issuing from a grassroots spontaneous popular grievance is completely suspect. When any of these candidates can have a million or more people accompany them as they march on the plutocracy's seat of power at the site of government and more importantly the site of their central banks then I will believe their message that they mean to clean house and usher in the necessary changes needed. Otherwise we must assume that an illusion is being presented as a deception to bestow legitimacy, via false democratic institutions, on an illegitimate system of plutocratic rule conducted with a carrot and stick structure that permeates all levels of civil society.

Posted by: BRF | May 7, 2017 10:40:21 AM | 80

Posted by: jfl | May 7, 2017 7:52:02 AM | 72

From the point of view of tax havens - yes.

The EU is drawing up a tax haven blacklist, due to be finalized by the end of 2017, with the intention of preventing money from being diverted to avoid taxation. It is also compiling a list sanctions it will take against any country or jurisdiction that ends up on the EU tax haven blacklist.

Posted by: somebody | May 7, 2017 10:47:59 AM | 81

Posted by: Noir22 | May 7, 2017 9:13:49 AM | 74

Are you sure about French GDP? Economic data don't seem to agree.


Posted by: ruralito | May 7, 2017 10:17:30 AM | 79

I think Sutton starts with Trotzky. But what he says is that Wall Street is agnostic, all they care about is making money. I think that there is no doubt about that.

If Marine Le Pen's victory should mean capital leaves France and comes to the US they might vote Le Pen.

On Stalin I think Khrushev has got a point

Very grievous consequences, especially with regard to the beginning of the war, followed Stalin’s annihilation of many military commanders and political workers during 1937-1941 because of his suspiciousness and through slanderous accusations. During these years repressions were instituted against certain parts of our military cadres beginning literally at the company- and battalion-commander levels and extending to higher military centers. During this time, the cadre of leaders who had gained military experience in Spain and in the Far East was almost completely liquidated.

The policy of large-scale repression against military cadres led also to undermined military discipline, because for several years officers of all ranks and even soldiers in Party and Komsomol cells were taught to “unmask” their superiors as hidden enemies.

(Movement in the hall.)

It is natural that this caused a negative influence on the state of military discipline in the initial stage of the war.

And, as you know, we had before the war excellent military cadres which were unquestionably loyal to the Party and to the Fatherland.

There is more in his speech on Soviet lack of preparedness.

Posted by: somebody | May 7, 2017 11:23:30 AM | 82

The point is, there is no real economic data
https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/le-billet-economique/deficit-0-une-promesse-non-tenue

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 11:40:13 AM | 83

Good short summmary:

The Truth About Macron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6H0cjIN4gw

Posted by: Anon | May 7, 2017 11:45:10 AM | 84

Zio-Jazeera via ABC.au News24 filed a report from France, 30 minutes ago, which asserts that early turnout estimate is circa 65%.
Zio-Jazeera broadcast isn't time stamped but the News 24 broadcast was at 1 am EST in Oz which corresponds to 3 hours before French polling booths close.
As a comparison, China's CGTN broadcasts always carry a GMT time stamp (revealing that SBS rebroadcasts CGTN 2 hours after the original transmission).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 7, 2017 11:47:06 AM | 85

I think the between nation comparison of platforms shows, except for the individuals named to play the role of candidate, in each of the respective countries, the role of the candidates is the same, to carry out "allowed policy". Further, the "allowed policy" seems nearly always the same in all of the Republic nations. Some-how the "allowed policies" are being established globally and mandated locally?

In America, American Voters in the USA elections, are allowed to elect by majority vote, either of two persons(for each position); but the between candidate platforms, boil down to the same side of two identical coins. Those elected are paid a salary to operate the USA for the benefit of, and "according to" the "allowed policy" established by, those in control of the national policy.

The French election is not about choice of platforms, but instead, the French election is about choice of persons to be paid to execute the allowed platforms. The range of choices in the French election.. and in republics throughout the world, has been and is, limited to candidates who subscribe to "allowed platforms". It is clear to me, the policies the candidates will be paid, if elected, to execute are, all the same in every Republic, around the globe.

Candidate A or Candidate B may seem to be a choice: but either, if elected, will be obligated to execute only the "allowed platforms" established by those in control of these Republics. Candidates seeking to present non-allowed platforms, are nearly always silenced and defeated. Example: the policy allowed by the hidden powers is that the target nation, is slated to go to war. That "go to war" policy may or may not be articulated by the viable person candidates, but the election is not about whether or not "perpetual war should be the policy of the nation" instead the election is about which candidate should be paid to operate the war time government in accord to "globally determined, locally allowed policy".

On election day citizens may choose; but if they don't, make a choice on election day, the choice of elected persons will be made for them; either way the winning candidate is obligated to execute only the "allowed policy".

Maybe it would be useful to concentrate discussions, not to the person of the candidates, but to "allowed policy", such person candidates, if elected, will be obligated to accord with, when talking about national elections.

Posted by: fudmier | May 7, 2017 12:04:19 PM | 86

Whatevs, Stalin tracked the wolf to his lair.

https://archive.org/details/pdfy-nmIGAXUrq0OJ87zK

Khrushchev lied : the evidence that every "revelation" of Stalin's (and Beria's) "crimes" in Nikita Khrushchev's infamous "secret speech" to the 20th party congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union on February 25, 1956, is provably false

from p85
As Kozhinov points out, Khrushchev's accusations here can be turned
■round on his own thesis. Historians do not blame President Roosevelt
for (ailing to foresee the atlsck on Pearl Harbor. Therefore to blame Sta-
lin for not foreseeing the precise time and place of the Nazi attack is to
Ul prey to the "cult of personality", to believe Stalin was supposed to
bre superhuman abilities and inexplicably failed to use them."<>

The Soviets could not declare a mobilization because that was universally
understood as a declaration of war. It was precisely such a mobilization
that had set off the First World War. It would have given Hitler the op-
poctunity to declare war, leaving the USSR vulnerable to a separate deal
between Hitler and the Allies. And in a plan for "Operation 'Ost'" drawn
up in 1940 German General>Major Marks make the regret^l remark that
The Russians will not do us the favor of attacking us [fixst]."ii7

Ihe Soviets could not rely upon British warnings* for the British clearly
wanted to set Hider against the Soviet Union and weaken both, if not use
die opportunity to make peace with Hitler against the Soviets, as many in
the British establishment wanted.

Marshal K.A. Meretskov, no admirer of Stalin, believed the situation im-
mediately preceding the war was very complex, impossible to predict. His
memoirs were published after Khrushchev's ouster, in 1968. Zhukov,
who had been demoted in disgrace after the war by Stalin and had helped
Khnishchev attack Stalin in 1957, thought the Soviet Union under Stalin
had done everything it could to prepare for the war.

Posted by: ruralito | May 7, 2017 12:08:15 PM | 87

above @"somebody" Typo's in text.

Posted by: ruralito | May 7, 2017 12:15:39 PM | 88

I know almost nothing of this debate between Kozhinov and Khrushchev. But, this statement is ridiculous:

>> Historians do not blame President Roosevelt for
>> failing to foresee ... Pearl Harbor.

I don't call those people "historians". I call them liars. Roosevelt did everything he could to engineer a casus belli.

Posted by: dumbass | May 7, 2017 12:17:45 PM | 89

@james 36

Politics is always a 'house of cards'. A political/ societal system exists as long as most everyone believes in its legitimacy; once this is no longer the case, it can rapidly disintegrate.
And don't say 'things can't get worse', they definitely can - would you prefer living in a delicate 'house of cards' or in a civil war?

@somebody 70

Exactly. There is no more profits/ capital yield under stable conditions ('new normal'), so let's create a huge crisis to reap the benefits. It's strange how many people hate the 'deep state' in their own country, yet wilfully support its agenda in other parts of the world.

@jfl 72

It's not a question of belief, but of analysing what's actually going on. Don't let prejudice get in the way of a rational view. It's still a long way to go, but there are important first and second steps. What do you think why the right-wing (=pro-capital) media is so anti-EU?

Posted by: smuks | May 7, 2017 12:18:23 PM | 90

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 11:40:13 AM | 83

Deficit 0 is Schäuble, German type austerity. You can socially afford it with low unemployment but not with French unemployment rates.

Posted by: somebody | May 7, 2017 12:46:03 PM | 91

The title is misleading (typical with France Culture) what the journalist says is that no actual figures exist for the expenses of each ministries. She had been trying to find the figures dealing with the decrease of subsidies for culture in the last 5 years and could not get a single document from the gov. When you start the famous ENA school, the first thing you are told is that all the number are fakes. The journalist of this piece i linked to ends up her paper saying that in the end, discussing the few figures mentioned here and there without any support by the officials is equivalent to spreading fake news.

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 12:59:21 PM | 92

Sài Gòn Séamus @SaiGonSeamus on the Macron "leaks":

None of it makes sense, yet everyone laps it up like mother's milk. This is the 1st of these leaks to have obvious forgeries in it.

The release date makes no sense, there appears to be nothing damaging in it, the speed at which the trusties found the Cyrillic metadata says they were looking for it / told where to look / not looking for damaging material.

The sheer scale of the breach from what must be the closely monitored mail server in political history.

None of it adds up if you look at it with an open mind. This is dangerous slavish behavior from infosec, the media and public. If you will swallow this hook, line & sinker then your parliaments need more fire extinguishers

Everything is based on two enormous falacies.

1. That all the evils in western society are the fault of the external bogeyman. Putin, ISIS Refugees, Asian footwear makers, whatever. That the Trumps, Le Pens, Farages are not a native virus.

2. Is that your services & politicians Would never pull a false leak or a controlled leak or a limited hangout. That they are angels that sit on their hands.

These two underpin the absolute lunacy we have seen unfold before our eyes. An extraordinarily dangerous situation to be in which is getting worse fast.


Posted by: b | May 7, 2017 1:07:26 PM | 93

mediapart commenting the macronleaks: no ref to the contents or to wikileaks has having decided to host the files.

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 1:13:27 PM | 94

Did Macron Outsmart Campaign Hackers? - While it's still too early to tell, so far the big document dump by hackers of the Macron campaign has not been damaging.

“You can flood these [phishing] addresses with multiple passwords and log-ins, true ones, false ones, so the people behind them use up a lot of time trying to figure them out,” Mounir Mahjoubi, the head of Macron’s digital team, told The Daily Beast for its earlier article on this subject.

In the end, whoever made the dump may not have known what is real and what is false, which would explain in part the odd timing. After the disruptive revelations of the Democratic National Committee hacks in the United States, the public is conditioned to think that if there’s a document dump like this, it has to be incriminating. By putting it out just before the news blackout, when Macron cannot respond in detail, the dump becomes both the medium and the message.
...


Posted by: b | May 7, 2017 1:17:29 PM | 95

nothing illegal?? this is what pundits are saying now at the beginning of the show (name of the president revealed in one hour) but in the article linked to somewhere up this thread there are copies of a mail ordering metamphetamine and paying for it in bitcoin, plus another one recalling to by the "c". Of course these documents might well be fakes incrusted in a clever article, but if not fake, the poor Manu will be ruling as a hostage
(ok, no one should believe it is possible to run the campaign he has been running for the last 6 months without ending up stuffed like a biker)

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 1:24:13 PM | 96

Just the fact that people are responding this way to hacks and data dumps illustrates how much the deep state has lost control of the the narrative.

Posted by: Perimetr | May 7, 2017 1:25:56 PM | 97

>> The relative lack of power of France
>> wonder the real reason why they
>> led the NATO attack on Libya.

Because they were the only unit Oceania could field safely at the time without potentially undermining its political regime.

"War weary" populations oppose overt war. (When populations oppose more overt war, regimes start or continue wars un-overtly.) Sizable percentages of the populations in the rest of NATO realized they'd been conned. What would be the domestic reaction if those NATO countries "led" another effort against an "enemy" generally considered even less dangerous than the prior one (whom the populations learned wasn't a threat)?

In contrast, because France didn't join in on the most recent invasion of Iraq, their population was not as "war weary" and thus did not protest/oppose overt war.

>> Was it the financial dealings between
>> Sarkozy and Gaddhafi like some sites say

What do they say? Heard that G gave money to S's campaign. I didn't read anything into that other than "another example of why never again to trust or give money to a politician".

>> or were they really prodded by the US to
>> lead the way of the overall game plan?

Think about "the dogs that did not bark".

What do EU leaders do in response to allegations of being bugged? They blame Eurasia for interfering with elections! That tells me Oceania is their master.

Posted by: dumbass | May 7, 2017 1:34:45 PM | 98

65% for Macron

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 2:01:17 PM | 99

So Macron have won.. this result of the election just shows how completely weak the oppostion is today in the west, its a sad state going on.
Seems like we are all doomed being voiceless.

Posted by: Anon | May 7, 2017 2:22:15 PM | 100

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