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March 07, 2017

NYT Blames Trump For Reading Its Reports

NYT March 6 - Trump’s Wiretapping Claims Puncture Veneer of Presidential Civility

[W]hen Mark Levin ... contended that Mr. Obama had targeted Mr. Trump for surveillance ... it struck a chord. Along with reports that in Mr. Obama’s last days in office his administration changed the rules on distributing intelligence and made a point of spreading information about Mr. Trump’s team and Russia to different parts of the government to “preserve” it, the wiretapping allegation pushed Mr. Trump over the top.

NYT March 5 - When One President Smears Another

In four tweets ... Mr. Trump declared as fact a theory he apparently encountered on alt-right websites: “How low has President Obama gone to tapp [sic] my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!”

The above assertions by the New York Times raise the question where Mr. Levine got his information from. A reader might also ask who published those ominous "reports" and on which "alt-right website" one might encounter such theories?

The New York Times does not know where all this came from? That is a bit astonishing. Let me help:

  • On targeting Trump and his campaign for surveillance:

NYT - January 19 Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.
...
It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself.

NYT - February 14 - Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications ...

  • Those "reports" that Obama spread the information on Trump and his associates?

NYT January 12 - N.S.A. Gets More Latitude to Share Intercepted Communications

In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.

NYT March 1 - Obama Administration Rushed to Preserve Intelligence of Russian Election Hacking

In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information ... about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government ... to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
  • The "alt-right website" that peddled all this?

By now you will have guessed it. It is the New York Times itself that reported (and slandered) the news about the Obama administration's surveillance of Trump and those associated with him.

The NYT and its editors now blames Trump for repeating, in a condensed tweet, the open and hidden assertions made in various reports by the New York Times itself.

There is zero evidence of any Russian involvement or hacking of the U.S. election. There is zero evidence of any collusion of Trump and those around him with Russia. There is zero evidence that any of the lunatic claims made in that Steele dossier, ordered up and financed by Trump's political enemies, are true.

Even if Trump's personal phone and email were not under direct wiretap, people near to Trump definitely were under communication surveillance. Inevitably such surveillance will have caught communication with and of the would be next president, Donald Trump. The Obama administration made sure that such taped communication would be widely distributed in raw form, guaranteeing future out-of-context leaks.

The Times knows all this and reported it - though often hidden in plain sight with misleading headlines and context.

Blaming Trump and others for repeating such reports is lame hypocrisy.

Posted by b on March 7, 2017 at 09:49 AM | Permalink

Comments

OK. This topic (Nyt blames Trump ...) is important, no doubt. It needs to be discussed. However, the following from ZeroHedge is of critical importance.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/wikileaks-hold-press-conference-vault-7-release-8am-eastern

I removed the mic and speakers from my pc. At least, I think conversations are safe. Not that they are of any importance ... it is just that it isn't anybody's business.

Posted by: rg the lg | Mar 7, 2017 10:12:01 AM | 1

[deleted - b.]

Posted by: Take Me | Mar 7, 2017 10:27:41 AM | 2

Being a lover of irony my headline for this post would have read...

NYT Blames Trump For NYT Reports

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 7, 2017 10:28:27 AM | 3

From today's Wikileaks Vault 7 first part release, it looks very much like any "Russian" hacking is actually done by the CIA. The amount of material leaked is staggering and it is very clear that the beast known as the CIA is both rabid and completely out of control and urgently needs to be euthanized. I am wondering now about all the Americans with iPhones, iPads, Samsung TV's etc. which have malware on them if we can sue the CIA for deliberately damaging our property. It also raises the clear illegality of the CIA operating inside the US borders against American citizens which is also illegal. When our government attacks its citizens then it is time to clean house. I think it is pitchfork and bonfire time. Whoever leaked this material is a true patriot and I thank them for revealing the depth the US has sunk to under the Obama administration However, I also have dim hopes this will be changed under Trump. It may remain for the citizenry themselves to take care of this if the government fails to act.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Mar 7, 2017 10:36:52 AM | 4

It took me well over an hour to download the 500+ megabyte Vault 7-Zip file via Bit Torrent. This file is mysteriously invisible in its folder after the download, but can be seen by entering superuser mode. I copied it to a FAT32 flash drive, where it remains visible.

Zero Hedge says the small Bit Torrent seed file is at:
https://t.co/gpBxJAoYD5

Some claim the passphrase for the 7-Zip file is:
SplinterItIntoAThousandPiecesAndScatterItIntoTheWinds

I'm not going to open it for now, will let others go first.

Just in case someone wants to know how this works.

It is now being reported that the package is totally chock-full descriptions of CIA computer hacking capabilities (which seem to duplicate the NSA capabilities). So, like the NSA, the CIA can apparently tap into anyone.

(Also, it is claimed that most of this vast system has itself been hacked, and may be out "in the wild".)

Posted by: blues | Mar 7, 2017 10:42:42 AM | 5

@Racist 2

Whilst US, EU and UK take all the low-IQ brown-black welfare-hoovering dregs of humanity.

Ironically thousands of those dregs have a higher IQ than you. There is a fine line between ignorance and racism, and you are on both sides of it.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Mar 7, 2017 10:46:49 AM | 6

The recent WikiLeaks release about CIA cyber attacks provides information about project UMBRAGE. It is based on a collection of exploits and tools collected from around the world, including the Russian Federation.

"With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the "fingerprints" of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from. UMBRAGE components cover keyloggers, password collection, webcam capture, data destruction, persistence, privilege escalation, stealth, anti-virus (PSP) avoidance and survey techniques."

The CIA have effectively confirmed that they run false flag cyber attacks.

Posted by: Yonatan | Mar 7, 2017 10:57:14 AM | 7

tobin @6 Oh yes. It looks like a white nationalist has entered the bar. Let us hope that his friends do not follow -- they could smell up the place very fast or least tie up b's time cleaning up the joint.

Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 7, 2017 11:02:42 AM | 8

Old Microbiologist | Mar 7, 2017 10:36:52 AM | 4

For the citizenry to act, they must first be informed, and I doubt this WikiLeaks info will be a subject of Propaganda System discussion and dissemination. The CIA has always operated inside the USA against the citizenry in gross violation of the laws supposedly controlling it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7, 2017 11:08:42 AM | 9

Using stolen malware and techniques, the CIA can pretend to be another state, including Russia.
See Umbrage under
https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

Posted by: LauraRoslin | Mar 7, 2017 11:14:39 AM | 10

A reasonable summation ... some excellent comments ...

WikiLeaks publishes massive trove of CIA spying documents in 'Vault 7' release
WikiLeaks publishes massive trove of CIA spying documents in 'Vault 7' release

Julian Assange claims that documents are the most comprehensive CIA release ever and are far larger than the Snowden files ...

Preliminary observations having reviewed the release (a number of 'parts' are to follow):

It is undoubtedly legitimate. Have absolutely no doubts whatsoever. Why ? All material follows regulatory classified docu conventions & requirements 'to the letter', including formatting, approved abbreviations/acronyms, 'markings', classifications, etc. Precisely the opposite of the #Fake 'Dossier' on Trump manufactured to order by MI6 on behalf of CIA/Rubio/McCain, etc.

The CIA is supposedly governed by acts of Congress, yet, it has illegally(Almost certainly!) spent $100Billion USD to create it's own mirror of NSA cyber weapon/surveillance functions. 5,000+ employees/contractors, millions of lines of code and weaponized apps/tools, and they have lost control of all of it via multiple disgruntled contractors, who have freely handled it all 'in the wild'. F$%king amateur hour ...

The cache covers the period 2013-2016 ...

There are references to hacking vehicles/trucks/medical devices etc, vehicle ECU and remote control functions/vulnerabilities to carry out undetectable(?), plausibly-denial assassinations ...

Even though significant material has been withheld so far by Wikileaks, there is sufficient critical/key information in just developer/trainer repository comments to severely damage CIA & Five-Eyes (NSA/GCHQ etc) Cyber operations ... for example, commentary on their observations on NSA coding/applications flaws/deployment

There are numerous references to GCHQ/MI6/NSA re what can only be described as illegal activities in partnership with the CIA illegal Cyber Division ...

Discloses that the Frankfurt US Embassy is the CIA Cyber Centre for EU & ME, only exceed by Langley, and that unrestricted travel throughout EU is used to target anything of interest within EU ...

Divulges various Tradecraft re cover-stories as well as re coding cyber weapons ...

Lists numerous specific vulnerabilities/exploits for multiple OS & platforms including smartphones, hard drives(undocumented covert functions by manufacturer), IOT devices, etc ...

Includes training primers and coding tutorials on hacking, obsfucation of source/origin, standards for comms & minimum encryption standards and methods re OS/platform, including things such as 'Do's and Don'ts', etc

Hoarded & unacknowledged known exploits & 0-Day vulnerabilities, identified tools and cyber apps by creator, vendor, contractor & agency ...

The software and tools actually deployed were deemed 'unclassified' on purpose so there could be no 'ramifications' re their compromise/loss or detection to the CIA or staff/contractors ...

In effect, this almost certainly is the ENTIRE repository of the formerly unknown Illegal(?)/Covert(?) CIA Cyber Division! (more parts to come yet)

NSA & CIA ar so full of hubris with their heads up their asses they are unable to recognize their own gross ineptitude ... we;ve always been complete shit at OPSEC and this is even bigger than Snowden's effort, which only ~1% was ever released by the way ...

@ Blues

It's a 7Zip file, so if your OS doesn't automatically recognize the 7z extension, it would not by default 'appear' in the visible File system your using. It contains no functional binaries or anything other than HTML/Jpgs/PDFs ... no 100% guarentees, I'd rate it 99.99% likely safe ... if in doubt create a virtual OS in RAM using Virtualbox and open peruse the document cache from within that ...

Go to \WikiLeaks-Year-Zero-2017-v1\year0\vault7 and click on 'Index.hmtl' and start with the Wikileaks 'Press release'.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 7, 2017 11:27:25 AM | 11

Trump should find this information useful. Using the bully pulpit, he may find it helpful to him to call out the NYT specifically as the source of information about the "wiretaps".

Zionists at NYT and elsewhere do not want cooperation with Russia in killing Soldiers of Fortune employed by the USUK to destroy Syria. This plan directly opposes the stated goals of the Yinon Plan.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Mar 7, 2017 11:37:30 AM | 12

nice take down of the 'alt right' nyt b~! i like @3 hoarsewhisperers title better!

Posted by: james | Mar 7, 2017 11:42:05 AM | 13

Followup to #11

@ all

If you intend to download the torrent file from Wikileaks, highly recommend you use a functional SECURE VPN to do so, the site is monitored, secure vpn must also must be used to download/seed the torrent. All downloaders/seeders will be captured by IP addy, minimum. So use a secure VPN, minimum.

Strongly recommend against obtaining the actual 'file' (~500mb) from any other location/means, unless you know exactly what you're doin', as the file will be highly targeted by all types of 'actors' offering/supplying the file with malicious intent re viruses/malware/worms/substitution ... just sayin' ... YMMV ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 7, 2017 11:44:07 AM | 14

So if it wasn't the Russians who hacked the DNC, was it the CIA? Obviously they have the wherewithal to do it.

And if the CIA did the hacking wouldn't they be acting in Trump's interests? Because the results certainly didn't do Hillary any good.

If the CIA did help Trump does that mean they're good doobies now? Because Trump's against the deep state, fake news and all those other things that have us running around with the arse out of our pants.

I'm sure by the end of this thread I'll have all the answers.

Posted by: peter | Mar 7, 2017 11:50:08 AM | 15

Followup to #5

The file passphrase is 'SplinterItIntoAThousandPiecesAndScatterItIntoTheWinds'.

This is obviously a reference to the appropriate famous quote by JFK after the events of the CIAs Cuban Bay of Pigs invasion fiasco:

I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds.
- John F. Kennedy

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 7, 2017 11:54:14 AM | 16

For those interested in the US involvement in Yemen see:
https://wikileaks.org/yemen-files/document/

Detailed info on the war in Yemen can be found at
http://www.almotamar.net/en/category1.htm

Posted by: Krollchem | Mar 7, 2017 11:55:28 AM | 17

The hypocritical nature of the Obama-Clinton campaign against Trump is worth pointing out:

"American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials foreign donors to the Clinton Foundation and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump former Secretary-of-State Hillary Clinton including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort John Podesta and his brother Tony Podesta, head of a lobbyist group with ties to Russian uranium interests."

See also: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/press-release

As Russian interests gradually took control of Uranium One millions of dollars were donated to the Clinton Foundation between 2009 and 2013 from individuals directly connected to the deal including the Chairman of Uranium One, Ian Telfer. Although Mrs Clinton had an agreement with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors to the Clinton Foundation, the contributions from the Chairman of Uranium One were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons.

When the New York Times article was published the Clinton campaign spokesman, Brian Fallon, strongly rejected the possibility that then-Secretary Clinton exerted any influence in the US goverment's review of the sale of Uranium One, describing this possibility as "baseless".

A more probable explanation of the Obama Administration's behavior is not concern about money laundering or foreign business deals in violation of sanctions, but rather their desperation to find any dirt on Trump that could be used to prop up the faltering and unpopular Hillary Clinton in the last months of the election. It's better characterized as one white-collar mafia group trying to discredit another white-collar mafia group by using corrupt intelligence officials to go after them.

If all elected and appointed officials in Washington were held to these standards, of course, there would be a epic walk of shame of politicians and bureaucrats in handcuffs - it would be a parade of hundreds. This is after all the Brezhnev-Boris Yeltsin era in the United States, one of gross blatant federal corruption.

P.S. on the CIA leak, I wonder if the "Internet in a Suitcase" which was developed by the CIA and State Department for covert regime change efforts was given to the likes of ISIS, Al Nusra and the White Helmets? That would explain all the ISIS and White Helmet propaganda distribution in Syria in the midst of a bombed-out war zone.
. . .stark-irony-of-the-us-giving-syrian-rebels-anti-surveillance-tech

Notice that since the rise of ISIS onto the global terror stage since 2014 or so, complete with sophisticated video distribution, the media has gone awfully quiet on the "Internet in a Suitcase" cheerleading. Another Syrian CIA project gone awry?

Posted by: nonsense factory | Mar 7, 2017 12:01:02 PM | 18

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Posted by: Take Me | Mar 7, 2017 12:01:09 PM | 19

@15 Peter
Most logical hypothesis is that it was a leak, as asserted by WikiLeaks. Then, when the Borg got word that there was a big leak coming, they did their own hacking to create some plausible culprit in Moscow.
There's no causation established between the hacking and the leak, so this would make the most sense.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Mar 7, 2017 12:04:34 PM | 20

@ Outraged | Mar 7, 2017 11:44:07 AM | 14

Of course you are totally right. Certainly the giant Vault 7 file could be corrupted with all manner of Trojans and viruses, etc. I only downloaded it to be part of the army of conservators.

No one should try to open such a file themselves unless they are running a "disposable" operating system, or really know what they are doing!

I will not decrypt it myself! God only knows what could be in there!

Posted by: blues | Mar 7, 2017 12:22:51 PM | 21

You wrote: "Even if Trump's personal phone and email were not under direct wiretap, people near to Trump definitely were under communication surveillance."

BUT Trump tweeted "Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory," so why do you feel it necessary to spin things for this habitual liar?

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Mar 7, 2017 12:25:47 PM | 22

Heh, the NSA has all the data anyway, as do several foreign powers, and wire tapping is out of a 1950’s crime novel. Obfuscation and distraction for the public, the proverbial storm in a tea-cup. Ambassadors are there to discuss, and everyone is in contact all the time… There may be some important points to be sorted, but I can’t get my mind around it.

The US PTB (fake duopoly) are attacking Trump mercilessly and will continue to do so, on any pretext whatsoever. To the death, or theirs…

That they can only float this kind of yawn trivial stuff, based on unsourced dodgy reports and hints — planted servers, entrapement, paid-for scuzzy investigations - > Christopher Steele, ‘dossier’ etc., as well hysterical media hype, Russia, Putin, Eviiil, Trump as collaborator is empty, only shows how weak they are. If they had any real dirt on Trump it would have been bruited by now.

But maybe not. A stand-off, and it has to do with who holds what dirt / how important that is. Trump’s weakness is not the cards he holds in his hands, which are very considerable, or even YUGE, but his confusion about how to use them, his poor stabs at any consistent policies (plus, advisors, picks, compromises…) since he was elected. Sure, many constraints.

Yes, uncharted territory.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 7, 2017 12:26:47 PM | 23

Looks like Trump is up against the most powerful criminal organisation in the world. Or several. Deep State and CIA, though I guess they are one and the same. Wikileaks may erode that power a little...
I am not to sure that Trumps vision for the US is good or bad for the rest of the world, but if he can hang in there long enough to bring the Deep State and CIA under control or break them, that has to be a good thing.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 7, 2017 12:33:23 PM | 24

Tying together both b's post and WLs Vault 7 Zero Day release, here's a question some here may be thinking about - the D's current pushback on Trump's clear accusation of being tapped/surveilled by some U.S. intelligence agency is that no warrant was issued via the FISA court. Thus, if the D's are firm no warrant has been issued and Trump is firm his communications were tapped then who did the surveilling?

Well, I'm thinking, this is an educated guess, but given the WLs release about the CIA's all encompassing COVERT surveillance tools, which rivals NSAs surveillance tools, the D's would indeed be factually correct when saying there is no warrant, because the surveillance didn't fall under the color of law. They indeed have plausible deniability and can just say Trump again is just making all this shit up. He's crazy. blah, blah, blah, Right?

But today we learn about the massive COVERT surveillance state the CIA has created of which they would not need a WARRANT from FISA let alone any U.S. court to spy/surveil on their target. They just do it. There are no laws governing this off the books dragnet. It's why it's called COVERT.

So, let's run with the theory that there is no warrant as the NYTs pieces have never confirmed via their anonymous sources, which we all know is Morrell and et al. Okay. No warrant thus no NSA/FBI, right?

Now, who was it that didn't show up anywhere on any talking head show over this last weekend, let alone in the last weeks. Who is it the CNNs, WP, NYTs, NBC, CBS, ABC isn't interviewing for these Russian/Trump stories?

All of these outlets are using 'anonymous sources' who obviously have spycraft as part of their resumes. Therefore, I'm willing to go out on a limb here, a strong and sturdy one at that, and say - Brennan, Morrell and et al did in fact use the CIAs covert surveillance system to spy on Trump and team. And yes, I'll even go further and state, unequivocally, that Obama, Lynch, Clapper the whole lot of them were most aware.

Recall, following the election Obama ordered that bogus intelligence review to sniff out the Russian/Trump collusion crap. Recall, all three amigos - Brennan, Clapper and Comey - took part and even testified. Where oh where was Mike Rodgers who heads up NSA? Recall, the report had that big ass Disclaimer statement at the beginning of the report that said none of the material inside the report meant anything? We were all like, say what?

So somewhere along this Russian/Trump collusion narrative, which was launched by the Neo's in the wee hours of the morning on November 9, 2016, the Neos learned some on the team weren't willing to be useful idiots, which is when the energy needed to push the story out there began to collapse. Just as it was collapsing Trump pounced b/c he knew who in fact surveilled him and his campaign.

The sunshine now pouring into the dark crevices of the Obama/CIA's covert surveillance operation is the last remaining piece of the puzzle.

The NYT and WPost anonymous sources must be Brennan, Morrell and other rogue spooks. After all, the entire covert mission of the CIA is globalism with the Neo's leading the charge!

Posted by: h | Mar 7, 2017 12:47:13 PM | 25

[deleted - b.]

Posted by: Take Me | Mar 7, 2017 12:53:15 PM | 26

@ Posted by: blues | Mar 7, 2017 12:22:51 PM | 21

The wikileaks torrent/file is fine, IMV, for what its worth. Downloaded it in advance of the abandoned wikileaks facebook/telescope press conference, which was 'hacked' to prevent it kicking off at 8am, tested, verified & indexed/catalogued contents in disposable air-gapped isolated RAM OS. Functional yet older hardware does have its uses ...

... was working on mainframes before the first Acorn/Apple/PC was ever even a glimmer in someones eye ... made my own 300 Baud modem (with rubber cups) for old 'banana' analogue phones myself ... was like a kid in a candy shop when obtained the schematic and components to buil a 1200/75 Baud upgrade version ... all used on dialup remote access to mainframe networks and later on dialup BBSs ... coding was cumbersome and tedious in the extreme and you young whippersnappers complain about a slow internet ?! Try file transfers at 300 baud ... so slow you watch, and wait for, each individual 'character' to appear on the lo-res text only screen ... hell, hardcopy printers were the actual 'interface' before the function jumped to subsequent early monitors ... no color, no mice, no GUI, etc ... showin' my age ... ahem, 'Back in my day ...' ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 7, 2017 1:01:44 PM | 27

@ Posted by: h | Mar 7, 2017 12:47:13 PM | 25

Entirely plausible.

However, as advised previously, an even less risky, plausibly-deniable methodology is to ask, wink wink, GCHQ or CSE to do the surveillance/interception within Stateside US and then disseminate the raw intel/data into the shared databases ... GCHQ/CSE, etc do not require any damned warrants nor lawful authority, FISA/Judicial or otherwise ... this is in fact a routine occurrence when 'needed' to get around the Laws, regulations and 'directives' re members national/domestic 'hurdles' ... quid pro quo & vice-versa ... it's been the practice since 5-Eyes was first established ...

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 7, 2017 1:14:36 PM | 28

To Peter (15)
The DNC file hacking was always a load of crap. The files were leaked by an insider. The CIA's ability to simulate a Russian hack just provides the DNC with a plausible story to cover their own ineptitude and at the same time imply Trump received Russian help. So THE CIA are definitely not the good guys here.

Posted by: Winifred Kiddle | Mar 7, 2017 1:24:30 PM | 29

Yes. Your observation is one worthy of consideration, Outraged @28. No question that theory should also be in play.

The only reason I'm going out on a 'strong, sturdy limb' here is b/c Trump intentionally named Obama as the entity who tapped his phone. Obama does not govern the folks over at GCHQ, that is unless there is some secret agreement none of us are aware of, but he did have full oversight over the CIA and Brennan.

Recall, then Brennan's staff breaking into State's passport files. Quarrels, one of the two staffers was assassinated on the streets in DC just prior to his giving testimony on the break in. Obama put Brennan forward as his first CIA chief. The D's couldn't support him so he became the architect for Obama's counterintelligence operation in the White House. Following the 2012 election, Brennan was appointed to head up the CIA. Brennan is a loyal soldier to Obama as is Obama to Brennan.

And now, after learning about this Covert CIA surveillance dragnet, whew, all bets are off.

Remember also, Trump was not supposed to win. Hillary, had she won, would have continued to build on all of the pillars Obama spent eight years fortifying following the eight years of Bush/Cheney following the eight years of Clinton/Gore.

I'm sticking with my 'Whose the Boss' theory as in Obama and pal Brennan.

Posted by: h | Mar 7, 2017 1:36:15 PM | 30

@ Posted by: h | Mar 7, 2017 1:36:15 PM | 30

...Trump was not supposed to win

Indeed. A crucial point for all to keep in mind given the sequence and intensity of events since the morning after of the 9th ...

Our views are not mutually exclusive, merely different focus ... Obama gives direction, and the actors take action, it's not Obama who would contact GCHQ ever, but Brennan or Clapper through trusted subordinates or the designated liaison officers or simply inter-agency off the record 'back channels' ...

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 7, 2017 2:02:28 PM | 31

@ Posted by: h | Mar 7, 2017 1:36:15 PM | 30

...Trump was not supposed to win

Indeed. A crucial point for all to keep in mind given the sequence and intensity of events since the morning after of the 9th ...

Our views are not mutually exclusive, merely different focus ... Obama gives direction, and the actors take action, it's not Obama who would contact GCHQ ever, but Brennan or Clapper through trusted subordinates or the designated liaison officers or simply inter-agency off the record 'back channels' ...

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 7, 2017 2:02:28 PM | 32

For all who believe Mr. Trump wasn't supposed to win, well ok, if that's what you believe, fine. As for me, I believe the owners of the Empire got just exactly who they wanted. A businessman that has no morals except " business uber alles". Fits the goals of Empire to a tee. The rest is all theater.

Posted by: ben | Mar 7, 2017 2:38:42 PM | 33

Agree with #3 b; I'd vote to change the headline...just saying

Posted by: S Brennan | Mar 7, 2017 2:47:12 PM | 34

Ben, if the Neo's and their backers wanted Trump in there, then help me understand why the fingerpointing to Russia/Trump collusion promptly began on the morning of November 9 via Mook? All the world has had to endure this conjured up, useless meme since then. It's March and we're still talking about it. And something tells me given today's explosive revelations about the covert CIA surveillance apparatus, that is obviously outside of US law, is going to take center stage over the next oh I hazard to guess, YEARS.

The one thing Trump does have going for him is the one thing folks don't seem to want to accept, that is, he's not owned by anybody, which is precisely why the rascals roaming around in the dark want him out of there. Who is going to give these shadow players cover now? Who now has their back? Whose orders do they heed? This group of useful idiots are now leaderless inside a government they once ruled. Prior to Trump, other than whistle blowers were ever held accountable. Hell, all the bankers had to do was throw some money to Obama's NGO approved list so as to avoid spending a night in an 8' by 10' cell. That leadership sent a message to the rest of the travelers - Obama had their back and he did. That's how loyalty is built. It's also how cults are built.

So, no, Trump may hold Israel as a country near and dear, but that does not make him an uber Zio or anything else. He's not owned by anybody NOR is anyone pulling his strings.

Posted by: h | Mar 7, 2017 3:16:16 PM | 35

@ h who wrote: "....So, no, Trump may hold Israel as a country near and dear, but that does not make him an uber Zio or anything else. He's not owned by anybody NOR is anyone pulling his strings."

You can believe that Trump is "not owned by anybody NOR is anyone pulling his strings" but I strongly disagree. Trump is front for a faction of elite that are fighting another faction of elite.

And the CIA works for one or the other factions of elite and not the American public.....are we really that surprised?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 7, 2017 3:59:03 PM | 36

To date, psychohistorian, I have not come across any material on Trump to be convinced he's owned or working on behalf of anybody other than who Trump decides. I am certainly open minded enough to read factually based info that supports your contention. I just haven't come across such missives. I've certainly read a lot of innuendo but I tend to lean hard on facts. Please feel free to share such info. Like I said, my mind remains open.

Posted by: h | Mar 7, 2017 4:21:15 PM | 37

Yes, Trump is quite media-savvy. However, why sustain the intrigue, why play these mind games and keep everyone speculating and guessing? Why not just declassify everything? Trump monitors the Neolib media, mostly CNN, to assess which way the wind is blowing, and then gets cues from the Neocon and alt right-wing media that help to protect his ass.

The Intercept which I would consider a more independent outlet has been calling on Trump to declassify the Russian hacking and the wiretapping intelligence, and they’ve even repeatedly communicated with White House employees in their efforts to get the Russian hacking issue declassified as well and are getting the run-around.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/24/someone-please-ask-donald-trump-this-simple-question-about-russia/

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/04/if-trump-tower-was-wiretapped-trump-can-declassify-that-right-now/

Now, here’s the thing: if what Trump is alleging is legitimate, and it is a bombshell allegation accusing a President of spying Nixon-style, then WHY is Trump holding back on declassification? Why not pick up the phone and have it declassified? Doesn’t it warrant immediate clarification and don’t people deserve facts and answers to this explosive allegation as soon as possible?

Part of the answer is that we are witnessing what I would call the Presidential bait/switch/deflect technique.

For this reason we should always examine the context of Trump’s more significant tweets.

Timeline:

Last Thursday and Friday we had Democrats and the media calling for Sessions head, and Carter Page was doing the cable news circuit, acting awkward and cagey like he’s pleading the 5th, and I mean this is a Phd scholar who shouldn’t be at a loss for words, at least he’s not when in front of a captive Russian audience.

Come Saturday, we have Trump dumping his wiretapping bombshell. Naturally, the media whiplashes to the wiretapping, the clamor against Sessions dies down and Page quietly slips out side-stage.

Yesterday, after the mainstream pick up on internet discussion urging Trump to declassify the wiretaps and putting the question to White House officials; we have the mainstream moving in that direction also asking White House officials whether Trump will declassify the wiretapping intelligence, and around noon or slightly after we have a round table at CNN discussing the declassification and how easy it would be for Trump to get the facts out there and the discussion persisted later as well.

What happens the next day is very telling and demonstrates a pattern; a pattern of baiting with a a sensational allegation or policy event to switch the narrative and deflect the heat every time it closes in on Trump. Here’s what Trump tweeted this morning that has the mainstream distracted again:

122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!
7:04 AM - 7 Mar 2017
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/839084268991229952

[Actually he lied since a large part were released when Bush was still President]
For eight years Russia "ran over" President Obama, got stronger and stronger, picked-off Crimea and added missiles. Weak! @foxandfriends
8:13 AM - 7 Mar 2017

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/839101660886614016

Oh and this bigee (Trumpcare roll-out) to ensure total distraction:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/839086723552411648

Earlier today, CNN practically ignored the declassification of the wiretapping issue. The issue of declassification was put to Spicer at the briefing although Trumpcare rollout monopolized, but when confronted with the issue Spicer was soooo annoyed and abrupt about it, and kicked the can away to the intelligence committee literally wanting to run from it. How convenient.

@15 peter

So if it wasn't the Russians who hacked the DNC, was it the CIA? Obviously they have the wherewithal to do it.
And if the CIA did the hacking wouldn't they be acting in Trump's interests? Because the results certainly didn't do Hillary any good.
If the CIA did help Trump does that mean they're good doobies now? Because Trump's against the deep state, fake news and all those other things that have us running around with the arse out of our pants.
I'm sure by the end of this thread I'll have all the answers.
Posted by: peter | Mar 7, 2017 11:50:08 AM | 15

Maybe that’s why Trump is playing dumb on declassifying intelligence both on the DNC hacking issue AND now the wiretapping allegation that Obama pulled a Nixon on him.

@20 building on @15 continues that with the Wikileaks dump we’re learning the CIA has the capability to re-direct cyber attack fingerprints, and because it knew the dump was coming re-directed them to Russia as in a false flag. I wrote at least a month ago that I agreed with b this could be a false flag. Now we’ll never know. One thing’s for sure whoever did this killed two birds with one stone: they torpedoed Hillary’s campaign (who cares), and pinned it on Russia.

This confirms even more that Trump may have been the deep state’s candidate all along and before anyone cries the Zionist media was against him. To begin with Trump got tons of free media at the start more than any other candidate and some others combined. However, it’s my feeling that there is a war going on between the Neoliberal side of the deep state and the Neocon right-wing side and this explains why the Neocon media via Mark Levin, Fox and Breitbart pulled Trump’s ass out of the fire again this time by dropping the wiretapping issue and replacing it with Obama weak on Russia and Gitmo while waiting for the Trumpcare rollout today in an effort to deflect mounting pressure for intelligence regarding the wiretapping.

Once again, Trump is also showing with the tweet on Obama’s weakness vis a vis Russia that he’s not who everyone thinks he is not to mention that U.S. bombings continue in Yemen and civilians were again killed and also flying under the radar is an effort at regime change in Venezuela.

Until the Russia and wiretapping matters are declassified and he releases his tax returns – the sheeple continue to be duped. Opacity is after all very favorable to Trump; there’s power in ambiguity; people remain in limbo wanting to believe in him; wanting to believe he's not deep-state owned. So why shouldn’t he want to sustain ambiguity? In fact, he continues with the manipulative mind and guessing games.

Ben @33, trust your gut; you nailed it.

(p.s. The media and Trump's silence so far on the Wikileaks dump is puzzling; it wasn’t even brought up at the WH press briefing by either Spicer or the press. Very strange, since it’s kind of a huge elephant in the room. This appears equivalent to the Snowden dump and yet it’s being totally ignored by the mainstream and the administration. It’s interesting that both sides are ignoring it.)

Posted by: Circe | Mar 7, 2017 4:38:58 PM | 38

rg the lg | 1

Remove anything android also from vicinity too while at it.
Also nobody trust our North European friends too.
My handle if researched reveals much about who exactly enabled the Reich and it wasnt the Germans despite the make belief fairytales. Now they are fast building a Reich on steroids with available tech like what google deals with. Merkel is like Obama another player aided and abaited by the same 300 century old Cabal that built the British Empire with experience from the East India Corp.

Posted by: Farbej N.W 7 | Mar 7, 2017 5:10:15 PM | 39

Hey Circe, the reason no one will ever lay their eyes on Trump's tax returns is that they are proprietary. As a business owner of a substantial real estate company which he's legally handed over to his sons to manage his tax returns would show his numerous business dealings - good or bad - which could then be used by competitors to compete or undermine the business. Unless someone breaks into the safe, the public will never see them. And honestly, who cares.

And as for Greenwald's suggestion to declassify, well, there's this pesky little thing called an investigation going on, currently. The time to ask that question or make that demand is when the investigation is over. Asking for such evidence now is just silly and Greenwald knows it. Btw, has Greewald FOIA'd the info by chance? I'm guessing not. Leopold might though.

Posted by: h | Mar 7, 2017 5:16:10 PM | 40

Let's just say that none of this ever happened and reinstate Frynn as National Security Advisor.

Levin: We need to get to the bottom of the wiretap claims - Fox News

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 7, 2017 6:33:33 PM | 41

ben @33:

I believe the owners of the Empire got just exactly who they wanted
While I agree that TPTB generally acts in a way that keeps people divided, the turmoil arising from Trump's win is not something that TPTB would've ever wanted.

Trump has called his opponents political puppets; attacked formerly trusted media like CNN, NYT, and WaPo; pointed fingers at TWO former Presidents (one for rape the other for wire-tapping); and cast aspersion on the CIA. In short, he has exposed and undermined what most in the US thought were unassailable pillars of the establishment.

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IMO what is at stake is different views of Empire. The Democratic Party supports the globalist, NWO version that allows powerful foreign interests the most influence in Washington - as best described in Obama's phrase "leading from behind". Prominent among those that desire such influence are Israel and Saudi Arabia.

I'd guess too, that CIA leadership were probably counting on some highly-paid Israeli-Saudi contract work to sweeten their retirements.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 7, 2017 7:23:01 PM | 42

@40

You do realize that by kicking the wiretaps can to the Intelligence Committee, Trump is buying time to save face, right? Because people are right not to let this go. He's going to have to answer for this serious allegation sooner or later if it turns out to be baseless.

As far as the tax returns are concerned Trump isn't special; he shouldn't get special dispensation. Nobody twisted his arm to reach for the Presidency; therefore, he needs to understand that he now answers to the American people. The polls reveal that the vast majority of Americans want him to release his taxes. So the majority of people care and this lack of transparency doesn't inspire trust.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 7, 2017 7:32:44 PM | 43

@ h and Jackrabbit that want to have hope that Trump will do things that benefit the common man.

I admit to having been a little delusional about Obama until he bailed out Wall Street. That said, I have no delusions about Trump standing up to private finance and those who own the world-wide financial system. In fact I expect him to bluster about using nuclear war to maintain and support his private finance associates around the world.

The God of Mammon ring is the one that rules them all and Trump is a rabid faith breather in this regard.

Those that think that the upheaval that we are witnessing could not be contrived at the highest level need to look more at history. Read books like The Secrets of the Temple/Greider, The Shock Doctrine/Klein or Debt, The First 5000 Years/Graeber

Private finance is owned/controlled internationally and it looks likely to me that Trump in office will precipitate America/Reserve Currency being thrown under the proverbial bus. Trump will default on US debt and the "American way of life" and the social safety net will take a Yuuge hit.

And so for a total jump/shift......what ever happened to the 2-3 lawsuits that were moving forward on Trump before the (s)election? It will be interesting to see how Trump "wags the dog" around those.

Trump is just another puppet of empire with a grifters gift of social manipulation via Twitter so far.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 7, 2017 8:25:03 PM | 44

Circe says "Trump is buying time to save face, right? Because people are right not to let this go. He's going to have to answer for this serious allegation sooner or later if it turns out to be baseless."

Good grief. Clapper just said emphatically over the weekend to Todd that the intel agencies found no collusion b/w Trump and those rascals, the Russians. When such hearings are held, and you are correct, they will be held but let me assure you, Circe, none of this will be brought up. Why? Bother yourself to read at a minimum WLs memo on today's release. This dump just sucked the air out the nasty Neo balloon of hot air.

Secondly, no where under Article II of the U.S. Constitution, let alone any law passed does it say a presidential candidate MUST release his/her tax returns. No where. Thus, giving away a companies secrets harms said company. We have never had a business man at the helm, rather we've had a lot of lawyers and political doofuses who used their daddy's name to gain power. Trump will never release his tax returns and I have zip, zero, zilch problem with that. He's protecting his business, his family and his fortune. Why on earth would anyone demand such personal data from anyone, that is unless their are other undermining and nefarious reasons, which I know you, Circe, especially, harbor.

Someday if you are ever put into such a position or you voluntarily sign up for such a position, you come back and tell me why you chose to release said 'personal/professional' material which puts you, your company and family at risk. No responsible business owner would ever freely show their tax returns. None.

Try it, if you don't believe me. Walk up to any store you patron and ask the owner to show you their tax return. I double dog dare you.

Posted by: h | Mar 7, 2017 8:52:27 PM | 45

Oh, and Circe, if you dare take up my challenge, make sure you tell them their tax returns will then be posted on the web for the entire world to see. My bad, I forgot to add this latter thought.

Posted by: h | Mar 7, 2017 9:01:53 PM | 46

Physco @ 44 said:"@ h and Jackrabbit that want to have hope that Trump will do things that benefit the common man."

Hope springs eternal eh? That's fine with me.

Mr. Trump, and his ilk, serve one master, and one master only...$ And the working class be damned.

When Mr. Trump and his corporate cronies dismantle the empire, wake me up.

Posted by: ben | Mar 7, 2017 10:31:45 PM | 47

So, is this fake news or what? If Mr. Trump can put all this wire-taping BS to bed. Why doesn't he?

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/04/if-trump-tower-was-wiretapped-trump-can-declassify-that-right-now/

Posted by: ben | Mar 7, 2017 11:03:55 PM | 48

@ben

Trump needs to push for investigation of felony charges against Obama for abuse of power not put anything to bed for him or the Clintonites. Congress is the body that needs to investigate and Trump has selected the congressional intelligence committees to investigate his felony accusations aimed at Obama. The victim of a crime doesn't investigate it or interfere with the proper course of action.

The warrant you seek may or may not exist and the spying that is in question may have been a separate operation even if there was warranted surveillance.

Posted by: wayoutwest | Mar 8, 2017 1:17:11 AM | 49

@ben

Trump needs to push for investigation of felony charges against Obama for abuse of power not put anything to bed for him or the Clintonites. Congress is the body that needs to investigate and Trump has selected the congressional intelligence committees to investigate his felony accusations aimed at Obama. The victim of a crime doesn't investigate it or interfere with the proper course of action.

The warrant you seek may or may not exist and the spying that is in question may have been a separate operation even if there was warranted surveillance.

Posted by: wayoutwest | Mar 8, 2017 1:17:29 AM | 50

From the movie "The Shooter" (there are some more dissenting voices in Hollywood):


...
- And what side are you on?

- There are no sides.
There's no Sunnis and Shiites.
There's no Democrats and Republicans.
There's only haves and have-nots.

- What exactly does working for you entail, Senator?
Raping and murdering innocent women and children, you sick fuck?
You sanctioned the mass murder of an entire village so a pipeline could go through.
One village!

- And it brought stability to the region.
Which means that no one chops off their arms because their grandmother's grandfather belonged to a different tribe.
They like us down there, boy.
This is a country where the Secretary of Defense can go on TV and tell the American public,
oh, that " This is about freedom! It's not about oil!" And nobody questions him, because they don't want to hear the answer because it's a lie!
There's only so many places at the table, Gunnie.
Now are you on the inside, or are you on the out?

...

- God damn it! Just wait a minute!
Hold it just a minute. Hold it.
Are you out of your mind?
Are you out of your damn mind?
I am a United States senator!

- Exactly. [Kills him]

Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 8, 2017 8:44:04 AM | 51

Hey psychohistorian - have you ever watched Ben Still's piece on global finance and the MIC? I came upon a site yesterday that addresses many of the key parts in Still's documentary that certainly shares in your astute observation -

"Private finance is owned/controlled internationally and it looks likely to me that Trump in office will precipitate America/Reserve Currency being thrown under the proverbial bus. Trump will default on US debt and the "American way of life" and the social safety net will take a Yuuge hit."

I'd only counter by saying whomever was going to be in office was going to have to deal with the economy that is on life support and certainly the reserve currency.

I do not know who is behind this site and I cannot vouch for it but I swear it reads like Still's documentary - http://stateofthenation2012.com/

Posted by: h | Mar 8, 2017 9:21:06 AM | 52

Discussion this morning on either NPR Morning Edition or Democracy Now! had speaker mentioning that he thought the likes of us commenting here or his audience would not be of interest to the CIA for tapping our phones.

BUT the possibility that the CIA could access car and truck computers could mean assassinations could be accomplished through causing "accidents" which would be nearly impossible to trace.

Oh my.

Posted by: jawbone | Mar 8, 2017 9:54:22 AM | 53

Wayoutwest @ 50 said:"Trump needs to push for investigation of felony charges against Obama for abuse of power not put anything to bed for him or the Clintonites.

Trump, as POTUS, can demand to see everything the CIA and the FBI have as evidence concerning FISA warrants and all wire taps. But, he won't, because the firestorm he created is more helpful than the truth.

It's all showbiz IMO.

Guess you didn't bother with reading the link.

Posted by: ben | Mar 8, 2017 10:59:43 AM | 54


But maybe not. A stand-off, and it has to do with who holds what dirt / how important that is. Trump’s weakness is not the cards he holds in his hands, which are very considerable, or even YUGE, but his confusion about how to use them, his poor stabs at any consistent policies (plus, advisors, picks, compromises…) since he was elected. Sure, many constraints.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 7, 2017 12:26:47 PM | 23

Well put in so few words. Vault 7 being the latest (and largest by far) set of tools that has so conveniently fallen into the lap of Team Trump.

There was already enough out there from the like of Binney and Snowden for any well versed constitutional lawyers to go to work on plugging the gaping Five Eyes™, Nine Eyes™ and the SSEUR (Group of 14) holes that are allowing 'wire-tapping' (to use Trumpian 1950's parlance) to bypass domestic spying laws.

But, on pre and post election form Team Trump nearly fumble an own goal before anything coherent spews forth.

The message that needs to be conveyed (which was eventually lost in the 'Snowden must hang, traitor' dialogue after his disclisures) is that there is a supranational entity working against us all, and right now feverishly attempting to diffuse/deflect/suppress the public at large of knowing it's existence.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Mar 8, 2017 11:15:32 AM | 55

MM2 @ 55 said:"there is a supranational entity working against us all, and right now feverishly attempting to diffuse/deflect/suppress the public at large of knowing it's existence."

Absolutely! And IMO, It's nothing more complicated than organised corporate money vs. the workers, globally.

It's just business, we need to "get over it".

Posted by: ben | Mar 8, 2017 11:29:16 AM | 56

^^addendum to 55
The difference being that the supranational status quo was previously working against a fleeing Snowden and various other 'discredited'/silenced dissenters (aka Patriots). In this battle however, TPTB are up against a freshly elected POTUS.

Trump's America First gets a proper test here, he definitely was 'wiretapped' (as we all are 24/7) by an out if state actor...what better way to promote America First...? It remains to be seen how well Trump staff understands the issue.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Mar 8, 2017 11:33:04 AM | 57

Congressman Chris Stewart (R) Utah has called on Trump to declassify wiretapping intelligence. This is a Congressman who was considered for Secretary of the Air Force by the administration and someone who supports Trump and also stated that Trump's claim is not from thin air.

So why doesn't Trump declassify this? Why is he changing the subject and deflecting from the issue? If a member of his own party admits he can do this, then he can do it!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8, 2017 11:35:23 AM | 58

@Circe

This is a developing drama and Trump doing anything prematurely or at all might just assist the massive cabal he faces. People on both sides of congress are waking up to the fact that this is a huge crime and few will want to face it's repercussions.

The criminal surveillance may have been separate from the warranted snooping using it as cover. It all leads back to Obama and his hysteria about the Red Queen losing in the months before the election.

Posted by: wayoutwest | Mar 8, 2017 12:46:41 PM | 59

What's clear here is that there are still plenty of people desperately reading into Trump's words and actions their own hopes and delusions...it's almost comical (and a little bit pathetic). Keep apologizing for Chump and pretending he is a "man of the people" and has the interests of the "little guy" at heart. Then dip your head in bucket of ice water for 30 seconds and slap yourself hard across the face three times. And let the scales fall gently from your eyes as you realize Obama being a neoliberal war criminal prick does not translate into Trump being an honest man who has the interests of ordinary people at heart.

There are no good guys playing this game and if you believe otherwise you are a sucker.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Mar 8, 2017 2:18:29 PM | 60

In addition to the surveillance we are told was approved by a FISA warrant, everything Trump says, or said, over the phone or sent by email, etc. has been automatically captured anyway by the NSA's dragnet (Prism) program, even if that system of collection has never been tested as to its legality- i.e. constitutionality - in the Federal Courts all the way up to the Supreme Court. And to say that Obama didn't know, or that the buck didn't stop with him on a program he had approved and that had been in use throughout his Administration, is disingenuous, to say the least.

So, notwithstanding the imprecision of Trump's language, he is essentially correct.

When the lawyers cut it so fine as to be able to obfuscate essential truths, in the end they lose credibility with the public if is able to hear the message. That is what happened with Clinton. That is what is now happening with Obama and his acolytes.

Posted by: axel Sohn | Mar 8, 2017 3:01:44 PM | 61

@ Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Mar 8, 2017 2:18:29 PM | 60

What's clear here is there are a number of posters repeatedly seeking to pigeon-holing & 'labeling' others into one of only two possible committed camps, DNC &/or Media/Deep State or the alternate, Trump-faction.

Extremely monolithic, primitive, binary thinking/projection. Those relentlessly pushing such un-nuanced(sic) 'declarative' statements as supposed 'fact' are, at the very least, suckers for expecting such proselytizing will gain any traction on MOA. Suckers indeed ;)

@ Posted by: MadMax2 | Mar 8, 2017 11:15:32 AM | 55 & 57

Indeed. Supra-National, Supra-Legal, utterly unaccountable to host nation States.

The Trump-faction is known to have been contacted/advised in detail for many months prior to the election/s by knowledgeable former insiders including senior officers/operatives including up to former directors of DIA & NSA as well as the Military. All things take time, especially huge federal bureaucracies, without even considering political infighting/alliances/favors/debts as further complicating factors.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 8, 2017 3:23:58 PM | 62

@Temporarily s

Parroting the snowflake's simplistic memes about what other people think is weak projection and diversion from the business at hand. I've seen this cut and paste commentary for some time and it just repeats and thinks it's clever projecting the degenerate nature of Clintonism onto Trump.

Posted by: wayoutwest | Mar 8, 2017 5:29:04 PM | 63

@Temporarily s

Parroting the snowflake's simplistic memes about what other people think is weak projection and diversion from the business at hand. I've seen this cut and paste commentary for some time and it just repeats and thinks it's clever projecting the degenerate nature of Clintonism onto Trump.

Posted by: wayoutwest | Mar 8, 2017 5:29:19 PM | 64

"Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." Now any claims of a cyber attack's legitimacy is forever disbanded with the vault seven public releases. Looks like the spooks have cooked the false flag goose as far as any future claims of cyber attack. Now was this the good guys releases this information or the bad guys getting caught out in their lying ways?

Posted by: BRF | Mar 9, 2017 9:25:02 AM | 65

It appears the FBI went on the record, of course using anonymous sources, to Jon Solomon and Sara Carter over at circa.com - Note: Solomon once worked for the AP and both at one worked for the Washington Times. They recently launched their news site circa.com.

Below are snippets from their article some here may be interested in reading -

The FBI Investigated a Trump Server in its Russia Probe, No Charges Are Expected by John Solomon and Sara Carter

"Many of the leaks have surfaced since former President Barack Obama in his waning days in office had his intelligence leadership brief a wider than normal audience about the sensitive Russia surveillance. Those leaks have created a false narrative that the FBI has been predominantly focused on Trump ties to Russia, officials said."

snippet

"Added another official: “I’ve never seen a case so misrepresented and leaks so damaging to a process that was meant to be conducted in secret so that foreign powers don’t know what we know and people’s reputations aren’t tarnished unfairly.”

snippet

"One of the documents that agents tried to corroborate became known as the “Trump dossier,” the work of a trusted ex-British intelligence agent hired by political operatives to find damaging evidence on Trump in Russia. Some of the information in the dossier was explicit and salacious and uncorroborated -- like an alleged interlude between Trump and a prostitute in Moscow a few years back and an alleged Russian bribe that could have spelled billions of dollars for Trump’s companies."

snippet

"For instance, the FBI and Justice Department received a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant in October to help further the Russia investigation. Officials stressed there were no intercepts of Trump’s phone or emails."

"Separately, they used traditional investigative techniques to review a computer server tied to the the soon-to-be-president's businesses in Trump Towers in New York but located elsewhere."

There is much more - http://circa.com/politics/fbi-probe-of-donald-trump-and-russia-during-election-yielded-no-evidence-of-crimes

Posted by: h | Mar 9, 2017 10:02:59 AM | 66

Here's a link to Solomon and Carter on Hannity radio show discussing the report cited above - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du657v2wPt0

Posted by: h | Mar 9, 2017 10:28:33 AM | 67

@66 h
Enjoyed the interview. This is trial by media on steroids - and the resignation of Flynn ensures both the leakers and the media are 'on the hook'.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Mar 9, 2017 2:19:05 PM | 68

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