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January 30, 2017

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Single payer health care.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/30/single-payer-engineer-rips-duplicitous-democrats/

Anybody give a shit? Or is foreign policy the only worthwhile topic?

Posted by: George the Curious | Jan 30, 2017 12:48:48 PM | 1

Safe zone again

According to Lavrov safe zone possible if Damascus agrees and further Dr. Assad's health problems or even assassinated, Really?

Posted by: OSJ | Jan 30, 2017 12:52:23 PM | 2

The safe zone idea is OK if located in Alexandretta and Golan Heights and these areas are returned to Syria when no longer needed.

Posted by: Albertde | Jan 30, 2017 1:05:08 PM | 4

YouTube is engaging in selective enforcement and I have been unfairly targeted. Youtube's policy change claims they won't monetize "Controversial or sensitive subjects and events, including subjects related to war, political conflicts, natural disasters and tragedies, even if graphic imagery is not shown" YET I have see others able to monetize their videos about Israel and Palestine (videos regurgitating the dominating narrative) yet I have had my videos on Israel demonetized which simply state facts. AND IT IS EVEN WORSE THAN THAT NOW because my channel is now on a list so that EVERY SINGLE NEW UPLOAD REGARDLESS OF TOPIC is automatically demonetized! For example, I have uploaded a video simply saying "Merry Christmas" and it gets demonetized and then I can dispute it and such a video will most likely get monetized BUT most of my videos on war, or political conflicts are refused monetization.

I have put an enormous amount of work for years into my channel to report accurately about the issues of the day yet some people at YouTube have decided to financially cripple MY channel when I talk about these topics. I just created a gofundme page yesterday and this comment is the first time I am publicizing the link: https://www.gofundme.com/RepresentativePress

I will be adding more info at that page to explain the situation and the plan to fight back this year. I need funds to do it. People with power are robbing me of ad revenue I should be earning for all the work I have put in.

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 30, 2017 1:14:29 PM | 5

They are only studying 'safe zones' now, right?

Ultimately, what 'safe zones' mean may depend on a whether US-Russia can reach an agreement on peaceful relations.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30, 2017 1:17:38 PM | 6

We should all start to PANIC NOW, says one Yonatan Zunger.

Posted by: persiflo | Jan 30, 2017 1:19:21 PM | 7


The BBC: Myth of a Public Service
http://novaramedia.com/2016/12/16/the-bbc-myth-of-a-public-service/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 30, 2017 1:33:03 PM | 8

Science is dead! http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/17/guest-column-kevin-ryan-science-died-911/

Posted by: Barbarossa | Jan 30, 2017 1:38:33 PM | 9

If it's not already clear, @5 and @8 should cause anyone with a level head to be very skeptical of anti-Trump messaging.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30, 2017 1:39:50 PM | 10

G the C @1: Thanks for the link.

Dems and Repubs, two sides of the same coin IMO. They've been playing, with few exceptions, "
good cop, bad cop" for years, while working for their real masters, the uber-rich.

Posted by: ben | Jan 30, 2017 1:53:05 PM | 11

Barbarossa @ 10:With enough money invested you can find lots of ways to convince people water isn't wet.

Posted by: ben | Jan 30, 2017 2:09:00 PM | 12

@ George the Curious. Single payer health care is looking like the unicorn of American politics and policy. Colorado just defeated a ballot measure to institute it. Even state democrats were against it. Sanders publicly supported it. The only thing I can say is the propaganda works; remember the golden rule--he who has the gold rules.

But the article was interesting in the belief that at a 40% non-coverage rate, medical systems will collapse. Trump has suggested he might get rid of the penalty for not having some medical insurance--that should hasten the collapse in some areas.

Posted by: Erelis | Jan 30, 2017 2:10:07 PM | 13

b,I was wondering if anyone else had brought forward the idea of coding in the ability to jump to the bottom of the page? (Most recent comments) I'm sure I'm not the only one who reads comments "newest first." It gets tiresome to have to scroll through all the long-winded rants sometimes. Otherwise, great blog. Simple is good, so keep everything else as is. Thx for considering

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 2:18:44 PM | 14

American foreign policy is a disaster for the people of the United States and the rest of the world - that's the bottom line. The bloated foreign military budget means basic issues like infrastructure, education and public health can't be addressed until that budget is cut by about 50%. That would involve steep cuts in financing NATO, a reduced military presence in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, and cuts in weapons buying. The total military budget is $600 billion; about $200 billion goes to weapons procurement, propping up defense contractors like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, etc. This is the cash cow the Deep State is bent on protecting; that's a main reason Clinton and her cohort were pushing so hard to restart the Cold War, to lock in the cash for decades to come. Trump has likewise promised to keep the military budget intact - all those generals on his team can thus look forward to cushy future jobs on the boards of various government contractors.

But the Deep State will need some kind of war, some kind of foreign military conflict to get involved in to help prop it up. Where will they turn to? Some think Iran, but that's a route to World War III with Russia and China. Some think China, over Taiwan - same problem. Perhaps a bush fire war in Africa somewhere? But that's the racket, as Smedley Butler called it. The architects of this are lurking in Wall Street investment banks, sitting on the boards of major defense contractors, all the sleazy law firms servicing the banks and arms dealers, revolving-door bureaucrats in the State Department and the Pentagon, Congressmembers like McCain and Feinstein, and their friends in the mass media, both liberal and conservative press, from the Guardian to the Wall Street Journal.

It's worth keeping this in mind at all times, when surveying whatever propaganda is being dished out by the media outlets.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 30, 2017 2:21:36 PM | 15

I think Donald mentioning safe zones has several benefits but I realize how someone might easily construe this as Hillaryesque.

1) you look tough on r2p, which Donald knows and has repeated is bullshit, but whatever. He'll keep trying to win over his detractors by removing the msm fuel.

2) maybe it could protect or allow refugees safe harbor and ability to repatriate, which would go along with restricting emigration to the west. Of course, stipulations written into agreement would have to prevent hidden cells from operating.

3) it could be implemented officially but be so feeble as to be inconsequential and so would be a wash anyway. Coalition planes (SAA, RuAF, US) still have free reign to target terrorists.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 2:28:09 PM | 16

Suggested criteria for successful Safe-Zones for Syrians.

1. The Assad gov’t must sign off on and participate in both the general plan of building SZS and the specific plans for each zone.

2. Long-term international funding must be in place and guaranteed prior to implementing the plans.

3. The UN must have primary operational, coordination, and defense responsibility for the SZS.

4. There must be a UNSC resolution and a GA resolution guaranteeing international retaliation against any country or group, including Israel, that attacks or tries to attack a SZS.

5. The SZS must be encircled by a safe buffer of at least 1 km. The buffer and miles beyond the buffer must be constantly patrolled from the air. Sufficient defense troops must be located closely enough and on 24/7 alert in order to interdict any attacks on the SZS. Otherwise the SZS just become a way to concentrate civilians so Daesh can slaughter them with the toys of war they have rec’d from Turkey and US.

6. The SZS must have tight perimeters with limited, guarded points of entrance/exit to prevent Daesh vermin from infiltrating and causing havoc from within by poisoning water, CW, etc.

7. Participating countries must be prepared for large air-lifts of refugees into the safe zones since the isolated locations would preclude people arriving there on their own.

I think SZS w/in Syria could be invaluable post-Daesh/post-Civil War as long-term repatriation centers for refugees leaving Turkey, Jordan, EU, etc., giving refugees a place to hang out while their home districts are getting infrastructure rebuilt.

First draft, feel free to improve. Maybe DTDuck will think this one through so it doesn't blow up in his face before he starts signing executive orders.

Posted by: Denis | Jan 30, 2017 2:34:16 PM | 17

@6 Tom Murphy

I'm really sorry to hear that, Tom. Definitely ask for support at the end of your videos, if you haven't implemented that yet. Ru Videos on youtube is probably in the same boat as you and he has started to request monetary support which I will be responding to shortly. Good luck!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 2:35:22 PM | 18

How about Trump falling right in line with the CIA's plan to destroy seven nations in five years as told by General Wesley Clark. War's back on gentleman, overt war. No Saudi Arabia ban no Pakistan ban . . . great.

Posted by: Au | Jan 30, 2017 2:53:53 PM | 19

White Helmets being feted at Sundance; "Cries From Syria". This is the same Israeli musical theatre producer (not a joke! this, before he was picked to direct "real" drama in Syria and beyond) who did the pro-putsch Ukrainian documentary "Winter on Fire", which received and Oscar nom for best doc. He did another, "Pray For Ukraine", the year before. And this is the extent of his "serious" film career.

Anyway:

.. [Afineevsky's] been toiling much farther away: on the Turkey-Syria border, and sometimes in war-torn Syria itself, with the people who either can’t afford or can’t bring themselves to leave. He's spent two years there investigating the Syrian civil war for his new movie, which premiered at the Sundance Film Festival last week ahead of its debut on HBO in March.

You'd think the deep state, at least for their ne plus ultra propaganda, would hire different directors, but no. When I see this, and how utterly revered such behavior has become I can't help but think we're not too far from rock bottom. I guess I just never figured that Hollywood would record and sometimes even produce it all, in all of its disgusting glory. But hey, job creation!

Posted by: sejomoje | Jan 30, 2017 2:57:19 PM | 20

Only one of the two men arrested in the minutes after the terror attack at a mosque in Quebec City is a suspect, police revealed Monday, saying the other man they handcuffed was a witness.
The lone suspect was identified as Alexandre Bissonnette, a student at the nearby Laval University, a law enforcement source told Reuters.

Bissonnette likes the Facebook pages of U.S. President Donald Trump and French far-right leader Marine Le Pen … Other likes include the Israel Defense Forces, United With Israel and Parti Québécois of Université Laval.
https://twitter.com/RepPress/status/826153370725527552

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 30, 2017 3:03:17 PM | 21

nf @ 16: Nice take, 'cause it's all true.

Posted by: ben | Jan 30, 2017 3:12:56 PM | 22

EU liberals whine again.

EU Chief Brexit Negotiator: Donald Trump and Steve Bannon ‘Pose Existential Threat to EU along with Russia'
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/30/eu-chief-brexit-negotiator-donald-trump-steve-bannon-pose-existential-threat-eu/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 30, 2017 3:26:33 PM | 23

What would be the point of any Safe zone in Syria anyway? If its for citizens safety, its already done by Syria's government in its controlled territory. Is to better protect them from terrorists? I very much doubt US will EVER care one bit about it.

If the idea is to "protect refugees from Syria's government" which is the usual Western meme, then it by default becomes terrorist safe haven, as not a SINGLE non-violent citizen has anything to fear. In that case, I really hope Russia wont sign up for that as it would seriously screw Syria and neighbouring countries. Saying Syria's plane could overfly it wont help it one bit, as any attack by SAF on terrorists in "Safe zones" would be met with bloody cries and calls for R2P as "Assad is bombing innocent refugees."

Lavrov saying "Damascus should approve this plan" isnt saying much either, as Russia can pressure Syria to do it. Just as Russia openly blasted Assad for desire to reclaim all of Syria and said they'll withdrew all its support if Syria tries to do it. Russia can easily divide Syria in zones of influence with US if they agree on terms.

Posted by: Harry | Jan 30, 2017 3:32:40 PM | 24

I would encourage all posters here to read the "panic now" link @ # 8: You don't have to believe it, but it's worth a read. Time will tell if it's BS or not.

We're all waiting.....

Posted by: ben | Jan 30, 2017 3:37:57 PM | 25

I am extremely interested in two things that will become extremely powerful elements that will really shape the future of the world.

One of them is what I call "global drying" -- the concept that most of the planet is running out of usable fresh water -- and this is happening everywhere. I've read that most of the ocean rise is due not to Arctic melting, but to drainage of deep aquifers due to farming. I thing there are some technical ways to mitigate this, but the do not involve reverse osmosis. This disaster will hit long before global warming, and there will be "water refugees" (from California even).

Another problem is that a small group of "election method cognoscenti" have made a complete disaster of the study of voting methods. This utterly vast "conspiracy of negligence" is a disaster that dwarfs the 9/11 disaster. The U.S. current "chose-one" voting method totally locks in a two-party duopoly, and the recommended cures proposed by the election method cognoscenti are completely hopeless. A "simple score" election method would solve the problem, but so far the cognoscenti have shown very little interest.

I hope to elaborate on these crucial issues later.

Posted by: blues | Jan 30, 2017 3:39:33 PM | 26

@27: A solution to global drying?

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/23/desalination-in-california-qa-on-making-fresh-water/

Posted by: ben | Jan 30, 2017 3:48:11 PM | 27

The safe zone will allow civilians who succeed to flee towns occupied by ISIS to have a place to stay.
There are two safe zones within Syria now, the areas under government control and the ones under Kurdish control.
As Turkey has closed its borders to refugees, the USA's plan for more safe zones can only be to expand the areas controlled by the Syrian army by helping the Syrian army and the Russians to get rid of the Islamist militants closely linked to Al Nusra and ISIS.
I doubt the USA will expand the Kurdish controlled areas
Civilians who refuse to go to government controlled areas or the Kurdish control areas will be invited to got to Edlib, an area under 'rebels' control where Islamist rebels will ensure their security.
No wonder Russia and the Syrian government agree on this 'safe zone' plan...........

Posted by: virgile | Jan 30, 2017 3:57:26 PM | 28

- Steve Bannon to be involved in US foreign policy.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2017/01/29/former-breitbart-chief-now-writing-americas-foreign-policy-trump-gives-stephen-bannon-place-national/215168

Steve Bannon was attached to the "alt-right" website Breitbart

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 30, 2017 4:01:48 PM | 29

How can anyone see Trumps seven nation ban as anything other than a reactivation of the post 9/11 Neo Con foreign policy which means we get to continue to be the military arm of Saudi Foreign policy.

Not Good.

Posted by: Au | Jan 30, 2017 4:14:15 PM | 30

Harrry 25 writes Russia openly blasted Assad for desire to reclaim all of Syria and said they'll withdrew all its support if Syria tries to do it. Russia can easily divide Syria in zones of influence with US if they agree on terms.

Perhaps you could support those claims, rather than just assert them?

Posted by: ToivoS | Jan 30, 2017 4:21:49 PM | 31

safe zone - 'usa-saudi and etc friends' staying the fuck out of others countries.. if you can get that, it's possible to get one in syria and elsewhere..

Posted by: james | Jan 30, 2017 4:27:37 PM | 32

@8, @26 Ben

The story there was garbage. We're spose to believe that Trump's presidency is merely an attempt to loot the public coffers? And that Flynn, who could have rode the gravy train should he not have gone against the grain of our foreign policy to get himself relieved from Obama's DIA, is part of that silly, nefarious plan? And that Kushner is some diamond thief who is disabling all the laser - security system around Fort Knox?

Got news for ya: Knox has already done been looted. All we had to pay for it was thirty years of destabilization of the MENA, arming terrorists, and contributing to the death of millions, including our own vets. But I guess that was just the warm-up to the BIG sleight of hand under Trump, right?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 4:31:39 PM | 33

Nemesis @15, all computers have a page down button that gets you to the bottom of the page immediately.

Posted by: mischi | Jan 30, 2017 4:32:19 PM | 34

@ mischi
Thanks. Should have been more specific. I read and post from my phone a lot, not least because b had banned my home ip.

#notbitter
#promise

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 4:34:25 PM | 35

@34 I personally wouldn't call the story garbage but I was left underwhelmed after reading it despite a few interesting speculations.

Posted by: Au | Jan 30, 2017 4:35:08 PM | 36

@37 unfounded speculation galore. One false premise to the next.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 4:36:21 PM | 37

blues @27

Your ideas re "Global Drying" are quack science. True that an aquifer with 20,000 year old water can be sucked dry. But the basic hole in your premise is that the water that was 3,000 feet below surface is gone as in has disappeared. The amount of water on the planet is a finite quantity. You cannot kill water. You can evaporate water. Steam, clouds. You and freeze water. Ice. But you cannot alter the quantity of water available on the planet. So the problem is actually where the water is located?

As far as 'Global Warming' one would need the power to control the Sun in order control the ambient temperature.

Both your premises sound more like religion than science.

Are you Creator?

Posted by: ALberto | Jan 30, 2017 4:38:21 PM | 38

@31 Au - I'm not so sure if the seven nation's ban is a lead up to more 9/11 NeoCon style of foreign policy, but it does seem to point in that direction, even if it's just a continuation of Obama's policy (but on steriods). I did hear a blip of KelleyAnn Conway screeching on the Sunday shows about how the seven nation ban was put in place to keep us safe from a 9/11 repeat (not her words but essentially what she meant). Conway said it in a more emotive fashion - speaking about all the children who went to bed in America after 9/11 without parents and how Trump is ensuring that won't happen again.

Of course, the seven nations ban was followed up by Trump's odering the Pentagon to come up - fast! - with a plan to hit ISIS harder and allegedly wipe them out. For Trump followers in the "heartland" who are allegedly sick and tired of their kids being cannon fodder in senseless War, Inc... well, eh? Looks like Junior & his sister better get ready to lock 'n load one more time...

Sure looks NeoCon to me, but I guess we'll see how it pans out over time.

Posted by: RUKidding | Jan 30, 2017 4:42:07 PM | 39

Actually, Trump’s executive order doesn’t even name the seven countries. The critical language is in section 3(c) of the executive order:

“To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas)."

So the seven countries are those singled out for special treatment by section 217(a)(12) of the Immigration and Naturalization Act, as amended in 2009 by the Travel Promotion Act of 2009, Pub. L. No. 111-145, which, as it happens, was passed by a Democratic Congress and signed by President Obama.

So, if you don't like the choice of seven countries, blame them.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 30, 2017 5:05:03 PM | 40

Mystery death of ex-KGB chief linked to MI6 spy's dossier on Donald Trump

An ex-KGB chief suspected of helping the former MI6 spy Christopher Steele to compile his dossier on Donald Trump may have been murdered by the Kremlin and his death covered up. it has been claimed.

Does this mean that linking the death of Seth Rich to the DNC leaks is fair game?

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Jan 30, 2017 5:07:11 PM | 41

IMO, Chicago ought to merit primary consideration for the establishment of a Safe Zone, followed by ones that quarantine the Pentagon, CIA Headquarters, State Department, Federal Reserve, and the entire financial districts of New York and London.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30, 2017 5:09:39 PM | 42

Re: Safe Zones - I think everyone is missing the point of what is ultimately desired here. The humanitarian guise is to accomplish Turkish and Israeli border-buffer goals. They don't care how much manpower it takes to secure them because that's what the UN is for. Even if the UN can't provide a force large enough, the U.S. and crony coalition will step in and volunteer (demand) to monitor the areas with aircraft/drones. This gives the U.S. plenty of spying capability and provides a ready casus belli for accusing Syria and Hezbollah of 'violating' the zones and periodically attacking them.

The U.S. is in no hurry for the safe zones because they need to herd ISIS to the Euphrates first. After al Bab is liberated (by whomever) the head-choppers will all be sent to Raqqa or further downstream. I really don't think the U.S. cares about ar Raqqa - they just want the Tabqa Dam.

Turkey seeks to simultaneously close and empty all refugee camps on the Turkish-Syrian border and ethnically cleanse as many Kurdish villages near the Turkish-Syrian border as possible. Head-choppers in Idlib will get the green bus offer once again, but this time unarmed and only to a refugee camp. Erdogan hopes the Kurdish-Arab Sunni mix of the new Syrian refugee camps can serve as a kind of no-man's-land between Syria and Turkey. 'Safe' in Erdogan's eyes means no PKK/YPG or SAA allowed, so essentially a demilitarized refugee zone. It's a new twist on the useless UK peacekeeping zones, but with added refugee misery bonus.

Erdogan also seeks to re-establish the Turkmen presence north of Latakia next to Hatay (the Turkmen Mountain area) where the Russian fighter was shot down. That 'safe' zone will not be for Kurds or Syrian Arabs, but for Erdogan's head-chopper Grey Wolf Turkmen nutjobs.

Israel, on the other hand, wants not only the re-creation of the failed land-theft-reserving UNDOF peacekeeping zone between the Golan Heights and Syria, but wants an additional demilitarized zone of several miles beyond that into Syria housing the current Jordan refugees. This is to keep the Syrian Army, Hezbollah and Israeli's al Qaeda mercs as far away from Israel as possible. This will also deny Syria the string of low hills just inside the current UNDOF zone that Syria used for air defense and Israeli surveillance and signals intelligence. If Israel can push them back a few miles, they will not have line-of-sight into the Golan any longer. Israel doesn't like anyone looking at them and will do whatever it takes to keep Syria from re-occupying and re-equipping that air defense line.

The whole idea is suppose to be eventual resettlement or emigration for the refugees, but this is nearly impossible. Many are not even Syrians and have no documentation. Syrian refugees are impoverished and most don't have homes any more - they're not going anywhere. The refugee camps will exist for years, ensuring a prolonged period of land-theft from Syria via the UN safe-zone scheme.

This is nothing but a continuation of the sore loser land-theft campaign. You wouldn't think Syria would agree to such an outrageous plan, but they will either be enticed (lifting of sanctions/reconstruction loans) or strong-armed by the coalition into agreement. Russia doesn't care as long as the fighting stops and the place is stable. I don't think they're worried about the appearance of land-theft - they'll encourage Assad to take the deal.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 30, 2017 5:25:10 PM | 43

@40 good analysis, i agree w you.

Posted by: Au | Jan 30, 2017 5:37:35 PM | 44

@ ToivoS | 32

Perhaps you could support those claims, rather than just assert them?

How could you miss it? It was all over the news, it takes just two secs to find it:

"Russia warns Assad on vow to retake all of Syria"

https://goo.gl/dXNvQ3

In the end, Russia cares about its interests first and foremost, and it will be too bad for Syria if whats the best for it doesnt align with Russia's. Syria/Iran/Hezb many times expressed dissatisfaction over Russia's "games", but its how the World works, powerful do whats good for them, weaker follows or gets crushed. US isnt alone in these "games."

Posted by: Harry | Jan 30, 2017 5:38:15 PM | 45

@41 that's good information, thank you. I am entirely fine with laying blame on the democratic congress / obama, I do not mean to single out Trump in this but I certainly don't think it bodes well for much of a reversal in our middle eastern fp. I suppose the wild card at this point is the russia relationship moving forward.

Posted by: Au | Jan 30, 2017 5:40:47 PM | 46

PavewayIV - enjoyed reading what you wrote, all smacks as truth to me.

Posted by: Au | Jan 30, 2017 5:47:16 PM | 47

cf. 'Safe Zones', I don't quite understand it yet. Has Russia already accepted the partition, since it won't be possible to drive the US out of Rojava/ Kurdish Syria anyway? Defining zones of influence now, to at least limit the potential for escalation?

In other news:
What was this Yemen operation about, anyone has an idea? Getting rid of potentially annoying witnesses?

Posted by: smuks | Jan 30, 2017 6:04:20 PM | 48


@Ben #8
People should read this, and also his previous post. Maybe time will prove YZ. wrong, but nobody should be allowed to say 'we couldn't know this' later. As Trump said, so he does. What the author fails to see is the economic background, but that's obviously not his field.

Posted by: smuks | Jan 30, 2017 6:04:28 PM | 49

Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister.

not a dime's worth of difference post election. what a surprise? the only way i can see to improve the worldwide situation fostered by the tnc-suborned us government is bottom-up: platforms for political action written by ordinary people, enacted by representatives chosen by ordinary people from among ourselves in elections conducted by ourselves, and the restructure of government to embody the ultimate sovereignty of ourselves: our ability to directly recall any elected or appointed official at will, our ability to directly repudiate any legislation undertaken by our representatives in error, and our ability to legislate directly ourselves.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 30, 2017 6:10:55 PM | 50

PWIV @44--

Such Safe Zones as you describe are a destabilizing factor for the Syrian state and will be seen as such by Russia, for which the long term stability of Syria's paramount. As for reconstruction loans, China and Syria have already discussed them, with Xi exclaiming the importance of Syria's participation in its OBOR project.

One outcome of Trump's re-emphasizing Obama's exclusion order while adding some to it is its having lit a fire under the Sadrists and allies in Iraq, and their further actions will be worth watching.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30, 2017 6:17:38 PM | 51

Some positive coverage of Tulsi Gabbard's Syria trip among the barrage of corporate media attacks:
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/tulsi-gabbard-to-congress-stop-arming-terrorists/http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/tulsi-gabbard-to-congress-stop-arming-terrorists/

Tulsi Gabbard, in standing up to these inveterate war mongers, is doing the country and the world a great service. As realists and non-interventionists, we must stand with her and with the Syrian people who are being victimized by the imperialist ambitions of a rapacious American political class.

It is interesting to see which media outlets are most actively attacking Gabbard for going to Syria; it's a pretty good indicator of which ones have the closest Deep State ties (Washington Post, The Hill, Daily Beast, FOX News, MSNBC, Associated Press, Salon, Guardian, etc.) - an equal spread of "liberal" and "conservative" media outlets.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 30, 2017 6:17:39 PM | 52

@44 pw 'Syrian refugees are impoverished and most don't have homes any more - they're not going anywhere. The refugee camps will exist for years, ensuring a prolonged period of land-theft from Syria via the UN safe-zone scheme.'

everyone is someone's palestinian. primo levi said that, only he substituted jews for palestinians. the jews were germany's palestinians 7 or 8 decades ago. the 'american indians' have been the us' palestinians for 250 years. the palestinians, of course, have been israel's palestinians for 7 or 8 decades. the syrians are the us/eu/gcc's palestinians. 99.9% of the human population of planet earth are the tnc's palestinians.

i 'hope' that russia's plan is to 'embrace and extend' 'safe zones' as envisioned by the same old evil crew as described by yourself into something completely different under the same name. the wars continue. not a dime's worth of difference on the us - that is on our - side. i 'hope' we're losing.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 30, 2017 6:26:02 PM | 53

smuks @51

The author (Yonatan Zunger) of the 'PANIC NOW' article that you refer to is Israeli. Persiflo added his profile for a reason.

The article is not credible as it has some glaring mistakes. NemesisCalling @34 raises additional questions.

Circe, TheRealDonald, and other commenters tell us that Trump is an uber-Zionist. If so, then why do so many Israelis and Jews hate Trump with such passion?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30, 2017 6:26:25 PM | 54

Safe Havens

Expanding on my comment @7:

Big Picture: Trump would trade Ukraine and Syria if he can pull Russia away from China, right?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30, 2017 6:38:49 PM | 55

@56 Jack

Simple: Because many Israelis and Jews hate 'zionism', or at least what you probably mean when (mis)using the term (interestingly, everybody has a different understanding of what it means - what's yours?).

I don't give a damn about the author's nationality. What I see is someone writing clearly and arguing sharply, and Nemesis simply didn't understand the article's main points.

We should be warned - but, as the author says: 'Some won't believe it until they're concerned themselves.'.

Posted by: smuks | Jan 30, 2017 6:46:31 PM | 56

@50 smuks, What was this Yemen operation about, anyone has an idea? Getting rid of potentially annoying witnesses?'

according to greenwald, the nytimes claims that the “main target” of the raid “was computer materials inside the house that could contain clues about future terrorist plots.”

in other words ... a guess that they might find ... something. trump ordered the assassinations in order to prove his loyalty to the cia?

they say a murder used to be required to become a made-man in the mafia. apparently the cia still requires it. the more blameless your victim the more 'points' you get among the cia godfathers? i guess donaldo is right up there with brennan and carter now, with his eight-year old girl ... an american, too! and more extra points for her recitation ... don't worry momma, i'm fine ... just before she bled to death.

i want, in the pale afternoon, to stand by the graves of the cia and the sfoc till i'm sure that they're dead.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 30, 2017 6:58:37 PM | 57

@58

Perhaps I did misunderstand it. But perhaps purging the state dept. and kicking intelligence agencies out of the club is warranted. Start with who you can trust, and build from there. I'd do the same thing. And for Flynn to be a co-conspirator in some money funneling scheme is ridiculous, but the article gave no other mention of his merits or the warranted action of consolidating power. Stupid fearmongering, if you ask me.

"Look, we don't know what they're doing, but it has to be bad!" Or did I misunderstand that part?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 6:59:06 PM | 58

The shooter in Quebec has been identified as Alexandre Bissonette, who is a fan of Trump, the Israeli Army and other far right groups.

Social media postings by the suspect in the shooting attack that killed six persons and injured 19 at a Quebec City mosque on Sunday evening indicate he was a fan of US President Donald Trump, French far-right leader Marine Le Pen, the Israeli army and other far-right groups.

“He has political ideas on the right, pro-Israel, anti-immigration,” Allard-Prus said. “I had a number of debates with him about Trump. He was obviously pro-Trump.”

His “likes” include the official Facebook pages of Trump, Le Pen, the “Israel Defence Forces” and a group called “United with Israel.”

Bissonnette also “liked” the nationalist Parti Québécois which ran a losing general election campaign in 2014 on a “Charter of Values” that was widely seen as promoting intolerance of Muslims.

But the Quebec publication La Presse reported that Bissonnette was known as a troll to members of a Facebook group called Bienvenue aux réfugiés – Welcome to Refugees.

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/quebec-mosque-attack-suspect-liked-trump-israeli-army-french-far-right

Trump and the Zio-state's most moral army in the world were the role models that inspired this lunatic to shoot innocent people in the back during prayer, kill 6, with 5 more in critical condition and countless others injured.

Maybe Zionist settlers will build a shrine for him in Hebron, in the occupied West Bank alongside the shrine Israelis built for Baruch Goldstein who massacred 29 Palestinian worshippers in a mosque there.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 30, 2017 7:06:22 PM | 59

Circe, TheRealDonald, and other commenters tell us that Trump is an uber-Zionist. If so, then why do so many Israelis and Jews hate Trump with such passion?

LIAR!

He is a uber-Zionist. His Zionist son-in-law, his lawyer friend now Ambassador to Israel and radical Zionist Friedman, all illegal settlement leaders he invited to the Inauguration, his financier, Sheldon Adelson, Zionists of America, and the present king of Zionism, Netanyahu...should I go on? They all beg to differ with you; they LOVE Trump! There are billboards in Israel that read: TRUMP WILL MAKE ISRAEL GREAT AGAIN.

What an inconvenient fact you can't spin! roflmao!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 30, 2017 7:20:04 PM | 60

@61 Circe

"The shooter in Quebec has been identified as Alexandre Bissonette, who is a fan of Trump, the Israeli Army and other far right groups."

So, in other words, a false flag.

Don't you just love it when right when things are going your way, the globalists are in retreat, and there is someone in the white house who is specifically addressing your concerns, someone who thinks like you comes along and does something so stupid as to completely discredit and undermine your cause? Not fishy in the slightest!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 7:21:09 PM | 61

no matter how many times i change the channel i always get trump 24/7... gets tiring, lol..

Posted by: james | Jan 30, 2017 7:24:49 PM | 62

@44 paveway.. thanks.. that makes a lot more sense.. obviously we will not be hearing it presented this way in any msm outlet..

Posted by: james | Jan 30, 2017 7:29:52 PM | 63

My previous reply was for @56 Jackrabbit

@17

And how do you fit his recruitment yesterday of those Saudi criminals for his safe zones plan into your delusional, apologetic trumpian equation?

Oh-my, what to do about inconvenient facts?

Posted by: Circe | Jan 30, 2017 7:34:08 PM | 64

@Circe

Why don't you get your own blog?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30, 2017 7:39:29 PM | 65

@66

Just because it may be beneficial to Trump, doesn't mean I'd be for it. I was outlying some possibilities on why he would address the topic. Clearly, anyone not in the globalist camp would want a sovereign Syria full-stop, especially for reasons that PWIV put forth. But it is early in that process and one can hope it doesn't transpire. Like I said, there are a lot of reasons in geopolitics for different actions, but it is never black or white or some EVIL ZIONIST scheme, as you incessantly drill into us with. Remember: Russia has to get something out of it too.

Could it be that Donald is putting forth his unreal requests, first, as in any dealmaking transaction? Let's hope so.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 7:45:02 PM | 66

@1 George the Curious and @14 Erelis

i was involved in the effort to adopt ColoradoCare in November and wanted to share additional perspective on how the Democrats and Planned Parenthood sabotaged the effort.

Not surprising, the CC effort which raised less than $1 M was outspent by millions and millions from state and national health care industry.

Of course, the Dem hierarchy were immediately opposed even though the State platform called for a universal health care system - but we know that a party platform means nothing as the local rank and file opposed and undermined CC.

A Denver based Dem. progressive think tank opposed CC early on which set the stage for the Dem party electeds to follow suit.

NARAL and then Planned Parenthood, both Dem front orgs, then announced their opposition and actively lobbied against with letters to the editor, etc. if adopted, CC would have provided abortion and women's health reproductive services and therefore cost PP/naral customers and possibly challenged their existence.

While the State League of Women Voters supported CC; many of the local LWV's, which are also Dem front organization, stayed silent and did not lobby or publicize their statewide support.

To be fair, the CC Amendment language was confusing to the public and its staff were largely inexperienced in political organizing and did not take advantage of what few opptys they had. Bernie made one brief visit and was largely ineffective.

Nevertheless, It was a disheartening and eye-opening experience re how The Dem party and Dem-related organizations cared more about party politics than it did about public health.

The bottom line here is that the Dem opposition was committed to maintaining Obamacare apparently under the impression that HRC would win the November election and she would 'fix' it.

Posted by: Marnie | Jan 30, 2017 7:50:14 PM | 67

@63

Yeah, because someone implanted a chip in his brain that instructed him to fan Trump, the IDF and Marine Le Pen and troll refugee sites and then a repetitive order like voices from out yonder told him to go shoot up a mosque to make Trump look really bad. Oh and it had to be in Quebec; Canda just to throw off the scent a little, make it look unplanned.

Tin foil?

Posted by: Circe | Jan 30, 2017 7:54:36 PM | 68

@ Posted by: james | Jan 30, 2017 7:24:49 PM | 64

The global Mega-Media-Corpses Psyop narrative and co-ordinated 'talking points' and 'memes' extends to blogs & social media, etc ... see the 'Sorceress' and fellow sock-puppets, and an awful lot of faux baiting ...

@Posted by: Circe | Jan 30, 2017 7:20:04 PM | 62

LIAR!

... an inconvenient fact you can't spin! roflmao!

From the mouths of babes ...

Hm ? The ADL consistently has a lot of, public, advice for the Trump faction, including the Ambassador to Israel ... spin this, sorceress ... lol.

ADL chief: History will frown on Trump's heartless attack on refugees ...
www.haaretz.com › Opinion
1 day ago - We must stand up to remind the Trump Administration and the world – once we were strangers, too. And we must do better.

ADL head rips Trump team over Holocaust statement that doesn't mention Jews ...
www.politico.com/...trump.../anti-defamation-league-trump-holocaust-statement-2342...
2 days ago - The CEO of the Anti-Defamation League is criticizing a White House statement in remembrance of International Holocaust Memorial Day ...

Donald Trump: ADL Condemns Nazi Germany Tweet
time.com/4632041/adl-trump-nazi-germany-tweet/
Jan 11, 2017 - The Anti-Defamation League condemned President-elect Donald Trump's tweet comparing intelligence agencies to Nazi Germany.

ADL slams Trump appointment of aide with ties to 'antisemitic' alt-right ...
www.jpost.com/.../ADL-slams-Trump-appointment-of-aide-with-ties-to-antisemitic-alt...
Jan 8, 2017 - The ADL and Democratic lawmakers sharply criticized President-elect Donald Trump's decision to choose Stephen Bannon, the former head of ...

Anti-Defamation League Chief Finds Trump Campaign Rhetoric Problematic ...
www.npr.org/.../anti-defamation-league-chief-finds-trump-campaign-rhetoric-proble...
Dec 26, 2016 - NPR's Steve Inskeep talks to Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, about the group's efforts to track anti-Semitism and ...

Foxman blasts Trump's Israel envoy pick for 'ugly' attack on ADL | The ...
www.timesofisrael.com › Israel & the Region
Dec 21, 2016 - Abraham Foxman, the retired Anti-Defamation League director, said language that President-elect Donald Trump's nominee for ambassador to Israel ...

Trump's ambassador to Israel on ADL: 'They're morons'
www.jewishjournal.com/.../trumps_ambassador_to_israel_on_adl_theyre_morons
Dec 19, 2016 - President-elect Donald Trump's nominee for U.S. Ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, has come under fire for comments he made during the ...

Anti-Defamation League CEO: I'll 'register as Muslim' if Trump makes ...
thehill.com/.../306715-anti-defamation-league-ceo-ill-register-as-muslim-if-trump-ma...
Nov 18, 2016 - The head of an organization dedicated to combating anti-Semitism says he will register as a Muslim should President-elect Donald Trump ...

Anti-Defamation League Slams Donald Trump's Appointment of ...
www.hollywoodreporter.com/.../anti-defamation-league-slams-donald-trumps-appoint...
Nov 13, 2016 - The Anti-Defamation League on Sunday criticized Donald Trump's choice of conservative media executive Stephen Bannon as senior ...

ADL: Trump's Closing Argument Ad Invokes Anti-Semitic Images ...
talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/adl-trump-closing-ad-invokes-antisemitic-rhetoric
ADL: Trump's Closing Argument Ad Invokes Anti-Semitic Images, Rhetoric. Esme Cribb. November 6, 2016,. The Anti-Defamation League slammed the Donald ...

Anti-Semites love Donald Trump: Anti-Defamation League report ...
www.salon.com/.../anti-semites-love-donald-trump-anti-defamation-league-report-con...
Oct 19, 2016 - A new report from the ADL's Task Force on Harassment and Journalism quantifies a tangible uptick in anti-Semitism.

Anti-Defamation League CEO Warns That Trump's Rhetoric Evokes ...
www.mediaite.com/.../anti-defamation-league-ceo-warns-that-trumps-rhetoric-evokes-...
Oct 14, 2016 - Anti-Defamation League CEO Jonathan Greenblatt warned on Twitter Thursday that Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's ...

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 30, 2017 8:11:28 PM | 69

@jfl 59
Thanks, sounds fairly plausible...though the entire operation looks a lot like 'make sure no one gets out alive' to me. Killing all possible witnesses...to retrieve what? Or whom?

@Nemesis 60
It's not about money, that's just a side effect (grabbing the last of the vanishing profits). It is about power, and the article warns that Trump and his 'inner circle' are fast eliminating all checks and balances. You're right, that's the thing to do...if you want to install a dictatorship, that is. Please read the guy's previous article - if only so you can't say 'nobody told me' later. I do hope YZ is wrong.

@circe: At some point, I'd appreciate you define what you mean by 'zionism'...

Posted by: smuks | Jan 30, 2017 8:21:49 PM | 70

@5, 49 TheRealDonald
It's Tatar.

Posted by: SMinor | Jan 30, 2017 8:33:11 PM | 71

I think the link below provides a good summary of the R2P cabal in place to feed on Americans being thrown under the bus.

Nomi Prins, Goldmanizing Donald Trump

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 30, 2017 8:40:12 PM | 72

Trump is a political newcomer trickster, bearing insight and misconception in various proportions, juggling many considerations, and inflicting political-cultural shock therapy to our unprecedented contemporary context. Trump likes and appreciates and empowers Bannon, he who mass-BS-media are variously apoplectic about, dismissive of, fearful of, and heaping vilification on. This is a good sign.

Big question: Is Trump's seventy year old brain going to refresh itself, learn and process new stuff, requiring re-orientation or abrupt alteration, or will he get stuck on autopilot or as puppet?

Posted by: canuck | Jan 30, 2017 8:52:25 PM | 73

279 smuks, 'though the entire operation looks a lot like 'make sure no one gets out alive' to me.'

standard operating procedure for sfoc. trained as cold-blooded killers, only sent in when the goal is dead people.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 30, 2017 8:52:34 PM | 74

NemesisCalling@63

"Don't you just love it when right when things are going your way, the globalists are in retreat, and there is someone in the white house who is specifically addressing your concerns, someone who thinks like you comes along and does something so stupid as to completely discredit and undermine your cause? Not fishy in the slightest!"

Or Trump has emboldened the crazies? We are in a downward spiral when it comes to politics. We are witnessing the continued heavy balkanization of thought with a bunch of Tudjmans being admired and leading the population down into the abyss.

Posted by: P Walker | Jan 30, 2017 8:55:20 PM | 75

^ continued "heavy balkanization of thought" can you explain that? i like that terminology.

Posted by: Au | Jan 30, 2017 8:57:13 PM | 76

@67 Probably because it takes a lot of time and effort to build up the kind of traffic b gets.

Posted by: dh | Jan 30, 2017 8:59:03 PM | 77

Harry | Jan 30, 2017 5:38:15 PM | 46

I remember that story from last year. That was when Lavrov and Kerry were trying to reach a ceasefire agreement. Assad's statement could have been interpreted (and it was by the Russians) as opposing the ceasefire. There has never been the slightest indication that Russia is advocating the dismemberment of Syria.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jan 30, 2017 9:05:57 PM | 78

Anyone interested in why the Mega-Media-Corpses didn't provide any detail on the Executive Order(EO) re the restructure of the National Security Council(NSC) & created a massive over-the-top reaction/distraction re the EO on Immigration/Visas temporary ban, worldwide ?!

And why the uninformative and slanted/manipulative link @ post 8 and similar are likely created ?

A rough translation from the original, in French:

Donald Trump dissolves the organization of US imperialism (voltairenet.org)
By Thierry Meyssan

Donald Trump has just completed the largest reform of administrative structures in the United States for 69 years. He has just put an end to the Imperial project and rebuilt his country, a state like the others.

Changing the system of government established in 1947, President Trump issued a memorandum on the organization of the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council(Full English text).

The principle adopted in the past was to manage "National Security" under the joint authority of the White House, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the CIA that was created on that occasion.

From 1947 to 2001, the National Security Council became the center of the Executive. The president shared power with the director of the CIA he appointed and with the joint chief of staff selected by his peers. Since September 11, 2001, the Council was de facto placed under the supervision of the "Continuity Government" of Raven Rock Mountain.

Henceforth the Joint Chiefs of Staff will not be systematically represented at meetings, but only when the subject matter will require his presence. In addition, the CIA loses its place on the Council where it will eventually be represented by the National Director of Intelligence.

The CIA, which until now has been the president's weapon for conducting secret actions, has finally become an intelligence agency in the true sense of the word, that is, responsible for studying international actors, anticipating their actions and advising the President.

According to an annual activity report, the Council had ordered political assassinations in 2015 in 135 countries.

During the transition period, President Trump solemnly asserted that the United States would no longer organize regime change as it has or has been attempting since 1989 using Gene Sharp techniques.

President Trump has also assigned a permanent seat to his chief strategist on an equal footing with his chief of staff.

Twitter:

Susan Rice
@AmbassadorRice

Chairman of Joint Chiefs and DNI treated as after thoughts in Cabinet level principals meetings. And where is CIA??
Cut out of everything?
10:16 AM - 29 Jan 2017

The former National Security Advisor, Susan Rice, reacted strongly to her Twitter account. Most of the former CIA directors have already gone to the media to protest.

Think back to the speech to the Analysts/Admin staff on Trumps first official visit, to CIA ...

The Military-Industrial-(&Corporate Media)-Complex (MICC) just got excluded from the National Security Council (NSC) for the first time in ~70 years ... and virtually nothing in any detail, context, without major omissions, in the #Fake MSM 'Free Press'... think on that ...

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 30, 2017 9:31:50 PM | 79

@77 p walker, 'Trump has emboldened the crazies? We are in a downward spiral ... with a bunch of Tudjmans being admired and leading the population down into the abyss.'

Franjo Tuđman ... was born in Veliko Trgovišće, Croatia. In his youth he fought during World War II as a member of the 10th Zagreb Corps of the Yugoslav partisans. After the war he took a post in the Ministry of Defence, later attaining the rank of major general of the Yugoslav Army in 1960. After his military career he dedicated himself to the study of geopolitics. In 1963 he became a professor on the Zagreb Faculty of Political Sciences. He received a doctorate in history in 1965 and worked as a historian until coming into conflict with the regime.

Miroslav Tuđman ... the son of the first president Franjo Tuđman ... was named "Miroslav" for Miroslav Krleža [who was a leading Croatian writer and a prominent figure in cultural life of both Yugoslav states, the Kingdom (1918–1941) and the Socialist Republic (1945 until his death in 1981). A one time Vice President and General Secretary of the Yugoslav Academy of Sciences and Arts (JAZU), he has often been proclaimed the greatest Croatian writer of the 20th century and beyond] ... graduated from gymnasium and then from the Faculty of Philosophy at the University of Zagreb in 1970. He became part of the faculty, and received a doctorate in information sciences at the same University in 1985. In 1989 he founded the Institute for Information Studies at the Faculty.

... what prompts you to compare a buffone like tee-rump with these two guys?

the thing ya gotta remember about tee-rump is that at the very best he is the lessor of well-known pure evils ... on the scale of clinton, rubio, cruz and other godfathers and mothers of organized crime. he's the Jesse Ventura of the 21st century. the population's being led is the problem ... agree we're in a downward spiral ... until we, the population, lead the criminal political-economic class rather than the other way 'round it will be an arbitrary one from among the selection of willing candidate criminals on display who 'leads' us.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 30, 2017 9:40:14 PM | 80

ToivoS @80

Yes. And in fact there have been numerous declarations by all countries saying that Syria should remain whole. Now, that doesn't mean that federation isn't a possibility...

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30, 2017 9:47:22 PM | 81

dh @79

@67 Probably because it takes a lot of time and effort to build up the kind of traffic b gets.
That, and the fact that he is a one-issue troll with a (paid?) mission to influence so he has no desire to start his own blog (like any other know-it-all loudmouth would have by now).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30, 2017 10:08:30 PM | 82

@81 outraged.. thanks.. i am not sure what to make of what you share in your post.. is that tin foil hat stuff, or is it supposed to be legit? i am never sure about thierry meyssan.. i have never had a clear read on his agenda.. i have read him before, but keep coming away with a mixed bag of fruit from him...

Posted by: james | Jan 30, 2017 10:12:22 PM | 83

@77 P Walker

Respectfully, I believe it is a kind of fallacy, whether of Latin/Greek origin or not, where a leader is condemned for the crime of a follower. The same narrative was being spun when the msm finally felt their grip on the public loosening with the rise of Trump and his alleged association with David Duke and supremacists.

You should pay more attention to the msm and their divisive half-truths which have incited more violence than anything from the tea party and les deplorables. One nut job and it's: "Trump is tearing the fabric apart!" *cue Chuck Schumer/Meryl Streep tears.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 10:25:44 PM | 84

@70

How long did he troll these sites? What is his background? How far does Facebook go back?

Awww...c'mon! You're not the least bit curious to wonder why these gifts of bloodshed keep landing in the PTB'S lap?

Circe...where is your sense of adventure? Don't worry, I'm on the case.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30, 2017 10:34:01 PM | 85

Outraged @81
james @85

White House press secretary clarifies changes to national security team

PS I share james's skepticism of Thierry Meyssan.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30, 2017 10:35:56 PM | 86

@71

One organization (ADL) slapped his wrist a few times, big deal. Mostly it was because the ADL has to pretend to equally protect all minorities from hate, and they slammed him on some of those occasions you identified for his comments against Mexicans bringing in drugs...blah-blah and his wanting to ban all Muslims and his appointment of Bannon to a WH post, who BTW ZOA defended. These slaps on the wrist don't measure up to his widespread popularity with Zionists. As a matter of fact I just witnessed that Zionist Neocon idiot Dershowitz defending him on CNN right now!

Zionists of America love him; AIPAC loves him; Douch Dersh defends his indefensible policies; I've seen that other Zio-neo clown, Ari Fleischer supporting him; Israel loves him and put up billboards supporting him; Adelson gives him $125 million; Netanyahu loves him. Oh-please, they can't get enough of him.

I rest my case.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 30, 2017 10:41:49 PM | 87

We don't need to attack ISIS with boots on the ground. Just squeeze them through the banking system. Make sure the Saudis and the Turks can't sneak in arms or aid. Then give Russia and the SAA the logistical support to give 'em hell.

Posted by: Fidelios Automata | Jan 30, 2017 10:53:26 PM | 88

@81 or, 'The CIA, which until now has been the president's weapon for conducting secret actions, has finally become an intelligence agency in the true sense of the word, that is, responsible for studying international actors, anticipating their actions and advising the President.'

i don't see anything that leads me to believe that's the case. 'intelligence' has always been a potemkin front for operations, as far as i can see, and remains so today.

the whole memorandum does lead me to believe that tee-rump has just transferred the operation of 'his' government to the army of operatives named within.


When the President is absent from a meeting of either Council [The National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, and Supporting Staff], the Vice President may preside at the President's direction.

The President and the Vice President may attend any and all meetings of any entity established by or under this memorandum.


... then again mike pence may and tee-rump may not. which one of the two wrote the memorandum? or did K.T. McFarland write it? for some reason the announcement posted at the white house itself includes the 'THE Deputy Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor to the Vice President' as shown, in mixed case, while all the others are uniformly in upper case. reading the tea leaves ... that's still what we're reduced to.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 30, 2017 10:54:48 PM | 89

ALberto | Jan 30, 2017 4:38:21 PM | 39 [He said:]
/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your ideas re "Global Drying" are quack science. True that an aquifer with 20,000 year old water can be sucked dry. But the basic hole in your premise is that the water that was 3,000 feet below surface is gone as in has disappeared. The amount of water on the planet is a finite quantity. You cannot kill water. You can evaporate water. Steam, clouds. You and freeze water. Ice. But you cannot alter the quantity of water available on the planet. So the problem is actually where the water is located?

As far as 'Global Warming' one would need the power to control the Sun in order control the ambient temperature.

Both your premises sound more like religion than science.

Are you Creator?
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I will not argue about global warming. The subject is too complex. It involves much more than the sun. Much more.

As far as global drying, that is relatively simple. I said "the planet is running out of usable fresh water". And you replied: "So the problem is actually where the water is located?" Well, I don't have exact numbers, but it must mostly evaporate. Then it returns as rain or snow. Now, about 70% of the earth is ocean, and 30 % is land. So about 70% ends up in the salty ocean. Of course, people try to filter the salt out of ocean water with "reverse osmosis" which, as far as I can tell is basically a super filter that lets H20 (water) through but not NaCl (salt). If there was no "back-pressure" the osmosis effect would cause the water to all end up on the salty side. So a lot of energy needs to be applied and the filters are exotic, and messy, and need to be changed often. The whole business is not sustainable.

In maybe 100,000 years or so, it will get cold (maybe) and snow constantly and miles-high glaciers will come down upon the earth. Then it will get warm again and they will melt, and leave giant oceans like the one that once covered our western deserts. The barren steppes of Mongolia will bloom again, and the Mongolians will rule. Africa will have no deserts, but will be filled with great fresh-water lakes, and Egypt will all be lush as it once was. And the aquifers will all be restored. But I fear that after 200,000 years or so, we will have run out of oil.

Many years ago, I made the argument that WWII was fought mainly for oil, and many people practically accused me of raping baby kittens. But if you look at it a certain way, the Germans and the Japanese were starved for oil, while we had tons of it. But what will happen when water becomes more precious than oil? Wars will be fought for it, and we will be inundated with "wetfugees". Follow the water.

Posted by: blues | Jan 30, 2017 10:57:34 PM | 90

@85 james, @88 jr

make that three of us. he often lays out some solid sounding stuff to begin with, even documents it, then sails off into soaring assertions, with no documentation at all.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 30, 2017 10:57:37 PM | 91

@outraged... is it possible? a moment just like that, what a relief

Posted by: Jocelyn Braddell | Jan 30, 2017 10:59:40 PM | 92

@70
Not tin foil at all, Circe. The FBI frequently recruits loners and losers to set up terror attack stings; the Mounties could easily do the same. Whereas the law usually stops the nefarious plot "just in time" they don't necessarily have to do so. For example, why have the Feds been so eager to silence the Boston Bombers and all their co-conspirators?

Posted by: Fidelios Automata | Jan 30, 2017 10:59:54 PM | 93

@92 blues

the grifters and grafters behind tee-rump's 50 public / private initiatives are hot on the trail of desalination ... check out Huntington Beach Desalination Plant, Poseiden water and the Carlsbad desalination plant, and Cadiz inc. and their Water Conveyance Project.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 30, 2017 11:14:08 PM | 94

@ Posted by: james | Jan 30, 2017 10:12:22 PM | 85
@ Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30, 2017 10:35:56 PM | 88
@ Posted by: jfl | Jan 30, 2017 10:57:37 PM | 93
@ Posted by: Jocelyn Braddell | Jan 30, 2017 10:59:40 PM | 94


Since the creation of the CIA in 1947, and the creation of the JCS in '47 also, and the modern beginnings of the MICC, the Director CIA, until creation of ODNI, and even routinely after that, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have sat on the highest Executive council of the US of A, the National Security Council Principals Committee, with the US President and civilian appointments/advisors as the Cabinet-level interagency policy body. That had been the case for ~70 years.

Passage of the National Security Act of 1947 which formally established the Joint Chiefs of Staff and laid the foundation for the series of legislative and executive changes that produced today's defense organization.

The National Security Act of 1947, as amended, established the National Security Council (NSC) to advise the President with respect to the integration of domestic, foreign, and military policies relating to the national security. There is also a Homeland Security Council (HSC) — established through Executive Order 13228 of October 8, 2001, and subsequently codified in the Homeland Security Act of 2002 — that has the purpose of advising the President on matters pertaining to homeland security. Each Council is also responsible for the effective coordination of the security-related activities and functions of the executive departments and agencies.

From the EO:

The Principals Committee shall have as its regular attendees the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff, the Assistant to the President and Chief Strategist, the National Security Advisor, and the Homeland Security Advisor. The Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shall attend where issues pertaining to their responsibilities and expertise are to be discussed. The Counsel to the President, the Deputy Counsel to the President for National Security Affairs, and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget may attend all PC meetings.

The Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor (Deputy National Security Advisor), the Deputy Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor to the Vice President, and the Executive Secretary (who shall serve as the Executive Secretary of the PC) shall attend all of the meetings of the PC.

The Director CIA no longer gets a de facto seat. The Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff no longer get automatic seats. The only other occasion where this was the case, IIRC, was the start of Bush Jrs Administration, where it was briefly, as required, until 9/11, then it promptly changed back to permanent seats again and ever since ... this EO changes the practices of the last 16 years since 9/11 ...

Obama merged the Homeland Security Council(HSC) into the NSC in 2009(?), which Bush Jr created post 9/11, Trump has now de-merged it back into a separate body.

Further 'slanted' coverage, focusing on Political Strategist, 'Bannon':

FACT CHECK: Spin Aside, Trump's National Security Council Has A Very Big Change

What Trump's Reshuffling of the National Security Council Means

It is only an 'Indicator', yet possibly a significant indicator re change regarding the last 16 years of the Global War on Terra.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 30, 2017 11:35:51 PM | 95

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.2kot74ej3


^^^^^^might be rife with speculation, but is a very interesting and scary piece about Donald Trial Balloon Trumpm

Posted by: aaaa | Jan 30, 2017 11:47:24 PM | 96

Trump goes right ahead and says it about these two anti-Russia, anti-Syria, anti-Iran, pro-ISIS warmongers:

‘Focus on ISIS, not starting WWIII’: Trump blasts Senators McCain & Graham

Just a note that Trump as President and the world's number one internet hits generator is uniquely situated to get exposure for obvious but anti-deep-state and therefore unreported truths like the above. The media of the deep state, though deadset against him, hangs itself and hands Trump the megaphone if the profit motive so dictates.

Posted by: fairleft | Jan 30, 2017 11:48:51 PM | 97

aaaa @98

We discussed Zunger earlier in the thread. He is not credible: wrong/mistaken take on issues and Israeli.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 31, 2017 12:06:10 AM | 98

With regards to Balkanization, I'm referring to how the larger population is breaking down into tribes that essentially hate and cannot tolerate the other. Each side just digs in and then unleashed acts they accuse the other side of doing while unable to acknowledge they do the same. "Evil cannot see its reflection in a mirror."

With regards to Tudjman, the former goon running Croatia was a glaring example of how the West was two-faced when it came to its position in the former Yugoslavia.

Posted by: P walker | Jan 31, 2017 12:11:18 AM | 99

Outraged @97

Did you read the article that I linked to @88?

DNI and CJCS are NOT excluded from any meeting. Furthermore the composition is SAME as under Obama (and not much diffferent than Bush).

Plus, Spicer says that CIA will be added.

In sum: MSM tempest in a teapot.

Also discussed at Pat Lang's Sic Semper Tyrannis, if you're interested.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 31, 2017 12:11:33 AM | 100

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