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January 17, 2017

How The U.S. Enabled ISIS To Take Deir Ezzor

The city of Deir Ezzor (Deir ez-Zur) in east-Syria is on the verge of falling into the hands of the Takfiris of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). More than 100,000 civilian inhabitants of Deir Ezzor and thousands of soldiers defending them are in immediate danger of being murdered by the savage ISIS forces. The current situation is a direct consequence of U.S. military action against the SAA and non-action against ISIS.

Deir Ezzor is besieged by ISIS since September 2015. But the city was well defended by its garrison of Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and all further attacks by ISIS were repelled. Supply to the city was hauled in by air through the Deir Ezzor airport and through air drops by the Syrian and Russian airforces. Relief by ground forces and ground supplies are not possible as Deir Ezzor is more than 100 km away from the nearest SAA positions west of Palmyra and as the desert in between is under the control of ISIS.


Google map - bigger

Four days ago a new attack by ISIS on Deir Ezzor was launched and has since continued. ISIS reinforcements and resupplies had come over months despite air interdiction from the Russian and Syrian airforces. Yesterday ISIS managed to cut off the airport, where the local SAA command and its main supplies are hosted, from the city proper. It is now attacking in full force from all sides. Bad weather makes air support from the outside sporadic and difficult. Unless some unforeseen happens it is only a question of time until the airport and the city fall to ISIS.


Map by Peto Lucem - bigger

The U.S. has condoned and/or even actively supported the imminent ISIS taking of Deir Ezzor by (at least) three measures:

  • a massive U.S. air attack on SAA forces in September 2016 enabled ISIS to take a controlling position and to cut off SAA resupplies
  • a U.S. attack against a power station in January disabled the last electricity supplies to the city
  • U.S. non-intervention enabled ISIS reinforcements from Mosul and west Iraq to Deir Ezzor in east-Syria

On September 16 2016 an hour long U.S. led air attack on SAA positions on the Tharda hills to the south of the airport killed over 100 SAA soldiers, destroyed a big SAA supply dump and several SAA tanks and artillery pieces. Immediately after the U.S. attack ISIS took the hills and has since held them. The positions allow for fire control over the airport of Deir Ezzor.

The U.S. military claimed that the attack was a mistake but a thorough reading of the investigation report of that "mistake" shows that the U.S. military attack was intentionally targeting the SAA to make a political point against an announced U.S.-Russian cooperation agreement to fight ISIS. (Danish airforce F-16 planes and drones under U.S. command had taken part in the attack. After the report was published, the Danish government pulled all air elements from its participation in the U.S. coalition against ISIS.)

Since the U.S. attack in September no significant air supplies have reached Deir Ezzor. Even helicopter landing at the airport is only possible at night and by taking very high risks. The city inhabitants and their defenders are completely cut off.

Early January U.S. airforce attacks destroyed the electricity plant at the Omar oilfield near Deir Ezzor. The plant was the last one to supply the city of Deir Ezzor. Since then only a few military generators and dwindling fuel supplies are left for medical and communication equipment.

When the Iraqi Army plans for retaking the ISIS held city of Mosul were developed and commenced in October the U.S. insisted on leaving a western corridor open for ISIS forces inclined to flee from Mosul into the direction of Deir Ezzor. Hundreds if not thousands of ISIS fighters used the corridor. The U.S. controlled Kurdish forces in north Iraq let ISIS pass from Iraq to Syria. Fearing (correctly) that an ISIS move out of Mosul towards Deir Ezzor would mean the fall of Deir Ezzor Russia and Iran intervened with the Iraqi government. Despite U.S. wishes the Iraqi Prime Minister Abadi ordered his Popular Mobilization Forces (PMU) to cut off the western exit:

Iran was not the only country pressing for the escape to be closed west of Mosul. Russia, another powerful Assad ally, also wanted to block any possible movement of militants into Syria, said Hashemi. The Russian defence ministry did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

One of Assad’s biggest enemies, France, was also concerned that hundreds of fighters linked to attacks in Paris and Brussels might escape. The French have contributed ground and air support to the Mosul campaign.
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Still, the battle plan did not foresee closing the road to the west of Mosul until Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi agreed in late October to despatch the Popular Mobilisation militias.

Despite a fast advance by the PMU from the south against Tal Afar to cut off the escape road many ISIS fighters in west Iraq were able to flee across the border and towards Deir Ezzor with their equipment in tact. They reinforced the ISIS troops now attacking Deir Ezzor. The U.S. has uncontested air superiority over west Iraq and east Syria but did not once intervene against the large scale move.

If ISIS takes Deir Ezzor it will likely kill (as it did on other occasions) all captured SAA troops and anyone it believes to have cooperated with them. The soldiers know this. They will fight down to the last bullet. But without any reinforcements and resupplies their chances are slim.

When the Syrian government besieged al-Qaeda forces in east-Aleppo the "western" media and the various "Syrian opposition" propaganda outlets were running an all out campaign in support of the besieged Takfiris. There is no such campaign in support of the civilians and soldiers in Deir Ezzor. In their few reports about the imminent fall of Deir Ezzor "western" publications even resort to outright lying. Thus claims the Daily Telegraph:

The US-led coalition, as well as the Russians, have been bombing the jihadists in Deir Ezzor for the last 18 months but have been unable to dislodge them.

No significant U.S. air attacks have been flown against ISIS forces around Deir Ezzor at all. All attacks flown by the U.S. in the area have been against Syrian government troops or their supporting infrastructure.

The U.S. official rhetoric about fighting ISIS is not supported by observable facts on the battle field. One can only conclude that the U.S. military does not only condone but supports ISIS in gaining control over Deir Ezzor despite the extreme high risk for anyone left in the city.

This likely to further the larger long term plan of installing a "Salafist principality" in western Iraq and eastern Syria that creates a justification for the U.S. military to stay in the area to "fight ISIS" and which can be activated against the Syrian and Iraqi government whenever convenient. U.S. President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry have both admitted that they earlier allowed ISIS to grow in Iraq and Syria for exactly such political purposes.

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@PavewayIV
Sure, the incoherent neocon argument is that somehow that would work out, another covert regime change game in Iran, or even a military assault in concert with Israel. But let's consider the immediate blowback: all the economic deals with Iran, like Boeing's multibillion dollar contract, are gone. ExxonMobil (read: Rex Tillerson) has huge interests in Qatar's gas fields that are put at risk, and who is to say the Iraqi government, currently relying on Iranian assistance to battle ISIS in the north, wouldn't go completely anti-American and kick out Exxon, BP, Shell, Chevron, Conoco, all of whom have various oil deals in Iraq? Who is to say that the persecuted Shia populations of the GCC states wouldn't all rise up en masse and try to overthrow the Gulf Sunni monarchies, with the full support of Iran? Let alone retaliation by Hezbollah against Israel, full-scale mass chaos. That is so obviously NOT what the international oil corporations want in the Middle East right now, and a few rabid lunatics aren't going to be able to convince Trump to even think about such a move - and that's not even considering the response from Russia and China and the EU (all of whom have economic deals with Iran). There are just so many reasons why that agenda will never fly, a good bet would be 100:1 odds against it, at least, if not 1000:1.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 17, 2017 11:41:22 PM | 101

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 17, 2017 11:18:53 PM | 96

Is Deir EzZor more important to Syria than East Ghouta right now? Than Homs? Idlib? Is it more important than water for Aleppo or gas for Damascus? I don't know, but the reality is that Assad IS forced to make those uncomfortable choices. He (or rather Syria) is simply not able to march back onto and hold every square inch of Syrian land today and defend every last bit of infrastructure.

That is the crux of the decisions being made strategically and operationally within the Syrian Theater.

The principles of, utterly ruthless application of, Political Necessity & Military Necessity.

The forces in deir-ezzor, must, with whatever assistance can be realistically provided, retake the airfield and helicopter landing pads largely by themselves ... largely they will determine their own fate ... in order to resume resupply/survival/re-inforcement ... or they are finished.

He who would defend everything, defends nothing!. - Sun Tzu


Posted by: Outraged | Jan 17, 2017 11:44:05 PM | 102

This likely to further the larger long term plan of installing a "Salafist principality" in western Iraq and eastern Syria that creates a justification for the U.S. military to stay in the area to "fight ISIS" and which can be activated against the Syrian and Iraqi government whenever convenient. U.S. President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry have both admitted that they earlier allowed ISIS to grow in Iraq and Syria for exactly such political purposes.

I don't disagree that this was and is the long-term plan, but what are you going to write when Trump takes office in 3 days and Mattis, General Mad-dog NATO, assumes charge of the DoD? I predict that the blurred policy line between one U.S. administration and the next will become a sobering reality. Oh yeah the Trump administration is going to be the most opaque ever when hiding their dirt; but you'll be able to glean that the military and geopolitical strategy is the same one the deep-state dictates and that's not going to change, even with Herr Trump in charge. It's a reality check I welcome, only because I'll stop being the enemy around here.

After reading @1 and @51, I must regrettably address:

@62 who yet again misrepresents what I wrote.

You just don't know when to quit, do you? It seems that you're projecting your own thin skin on 'b' as the comment you refer to that I wrote is still there. I guess'b' didn’t consider it vomit as you trash-spin'd it. And once again, you insist on referring to me as a troll. I'll quote 'b' on this: If I agree with your diagnosis the troll will be banned, if not the "troll" will stay. Since I’m here; it appears I'm the one in quotes -- so, lay off.

@80 I wish there was a new open thread for this one because Obama's commutation of Chelsea Manning is a significant event as it's drawing out hypocrites from the Democrat side, the Republican side and from Trump supporters. It also brings up an interesting question: Snowden has temporary asylum in Russia. Can Putin be trusted not to surrender Snowden to Trump's DOJ if Trump insists on the extradition of Snowden in whatever deal to lift sanctions he offers Putin? Trump already threatened Snowden with the death penalty. Another question it brings up: In commuting Manning's sentence, and should Snowden be captured or extradited, I wonder if Snowden can use Manning's Presidential commutation for his own defense to demonstrate precedent? I imagine he could also use Petraeus' light sentence as precedent for the sentencing phase. However, now that Snowden fall’s into Trump's judicial purview; Snowden's a dead man walking and he'll need all the help he can get.

On the subject @1, I hope chipnik is still around, I know-I know, he goes OTT, but in his defense, I find myself searching out his posts because he rips the Trump fantasy with unpretentious, side-splitting humor.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 17, 2017 11:58:16 PM | 103

nonsense factory@101 - All of those are very good points - I sincerely hope you're right. I recall an equally compelling set of reasons why we/the west/oil interests would never go after Saddam Hussein. Some times reality just doesn't make any logical sense. That's why I drink so much and kick my dog. Well, not really... but that little bastard deserves it!

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 17, 2017 11:58:23 PM | 104

@ Posted by: james | Jan 17, 2017 11:27:52 PM | 99

That is indeed some good news, a minor morale boost for the besieged soldiers & civilians.

However, helicopters(Light Utility Air Transport) cannot bring in the quantities of supplies required to replenish and then sustain deir-ezzor (Troops + 100,000 Civs).

They need the airfield back under control and free of direct & indirect fire & harassment fire and also push back surrounding ISIS forces to create a sufficient minimum safe radius (~5-8Km+ Slant Range)(ISIS free) around the airfield and Helicopter pads to at least be able to perform fixed wing transport aircraft (Light/Medium to Heavy) full power spiral air landings and take-offs to attempt to evade/avoid Hvy MGs(.50Cal/12.7mm) Manpads & possibly Light SAMs. Until they are strong enough to then push that boundary/radius even further out ...

dier-ezzor must retake the airfield and the surrounds must be cleared.

A good start tho ...

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 17, 2017 11:59:49 PM | 105

@nonsense factory

I suggest you read "The Redirection" (2007) by Seymour Hersh.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 18, 2017 12:07:45 AM | 106

@ Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 17, 2017 11:58:23 PM | 104

... and kick my dog. Well, not really... but that little bastard deserves it!

One does not believe the former(kick), nor the latter(bastard deserves), for even a tiny fraction of but one second ... lol.

Respectfully, you, Sir/Madam, are, as they say, telling 'Porkies,' lol ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 12:09:10 AM | 107

Posted by: Circe | Jan 17, 2017 11:58:16 PM | 103

@ Posted by: Denis | Jan 17, 2017 10:19:07 PM | 94

OJS @80

Best discussed on the Open Thread.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 17, 2017 7:14:21 PM | 82

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 17, 2017 10:27:15 PM | 95

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 12:19:24 AM | 108

Posted by: Circe | Jan 17, 2017 11:58:16 PM | 103

@ Posted by: Denis | Jan 17, 2017 10:19:07 PM | 94

OJS @80

Best discussed on the Open Thread.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 17, 2017 7:14:21 PM | 82

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 17, 2017 10:27:15 PM | 95

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 12:19:24 AM | 109

Circe @ 103 said: "you'll be able to glean that the military and geopolitical strategy is the same one the deep-state dictates and that's not going to change, even with Herr Trump in charge."

I concur, but don't know how much "gleaning", the avid Trump supporters will be able to ingest. For some, politics are very tribal, almost religious, and to challenge those beliefs, makes many very irate.

Posted by: ben | Jan 18, 2017 12:44:51 AM | 110

I guess others see the Manning commutation for what it is as well, one more attempt by oblamblam to fracture the trumpet's base.
I personally am greatly relieved that pfc Manning is likely to be free of the horrors she has endured for so long because she strikes me as being pretty fragile, even if she has shown a lot of strength during her ordeal, but oblamblam is using her to exploit a political situation that he should have resolved right at the get-go of the insane 35 year sentence ( 2 to 3 years is the usual max sentence for whistle blowers).
Imagine the media cacophony that is going to ensue when/if Manning is released - right at the start of trumpets term of office. The redneck right section of his base are gonna be foaming at the mouth demanding trumpet 'do something about it' - while for the other half, the mob who support him because he isn't hillary clinton, any attempt to overrule oblamblam's commutation will likely get them so pissed by the ugliness and plain mean-ness of forcing Manning to serve out her term that they will walk away from trumpdom.
That's the plan according to oblamblam anyway. - what, you didn't imagine that barry the sociopath actually cares did you? You know that isn't the case - this is mr expediency we're discussing.

I have no idea whether overturning clemency by another president is even legal, but one thing I am sure of is that if it is overturned, trumpet is gonna destroy one of the best, most profitable and accepted by voters, earners for a prez. No one will fork out a lazy few mill for a get outta jail card that is so obviously revokable.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 18, 2017 1:28:34 AM | 111

Air attacks against ISIS may be hampered tomorrow around Deir Ezzor but really pick up in time for Trump’s inauguration: https://earth.nullschool.net/#2017/01/15/0900Z/particulates/surface/level/overlay=duexttau/orthographic=43.72,29.65,3000/loc=40.119,35.125

Aerosol optical thickness (550 nm) @ 4pm local =
0.0810 T @ Jan 15
0.0159 T @ Jan 16
0.0963 T @ Jan17
0.1406 T @ Jan 18
0.0561 T @ Jan 19
0.0295 T @ Jan 20
0.0112 T @ Jan 21

“United States is “peopled with sleep walkers,” pseudo-innocents, who are “chiefly aware of what ruffled the normal tenor of their lives or affected their interests.” That their own government, no matter what political party is in power (both working for deep-state, elite interests led by the organized criminals of the CIA), is the disseminator of a world-wide plague of virulent violence, must be denied and divorced from consensus reality. These plague-stricken deaths visited on millions around the world Yet the fight against the plague must go on.”
Tarrou in Camus The Plague
http://www.globalresearch.ca/remembering-albert-camus-the-plague-the-world-as-a-prison-it-is-the-u-s/556639
puts it thus,
“All I maintain is that on this earth there are pestilences and there are victims, and it’s up to us, as far possible, not to join forces with the pestilences.

Posted by: Krollchem | Jan 18, 2017 1:32:50 AM | 112

@106
Yes, but that strategy, the redirection, collapsed - and it was really just a pathetic effort to move forward with the 1998 PNAC plan, as was Obama's push into Syria. Iraq was supposed to be "America's oil tanker / aircraft carrier" in the Middle East - failed imperial pipe dreams. Blowback galore, for example:
http://www.independent.co.uk . . .Cockburn 2014

Nor is this the only point on which Prince Bandar was dangerously mistaken. The rise of Isis is bad news for the Shia of Iraq but it is worse news for the Sunni whose leadership has been ceded to a pathologically bloodthirsty and intolerant movement, a sort of Islamic Khmer Rouge, which has no aim but war without end.

See also Lebanon, with leader Michel Aoun supporting Hezbollah and Iran but also negotiating with Saudi Arabia and Qatar. That kind of diplomacy is not making Israel or the US very happy, no more than the Turkey-Russia-Iran diplomacy is. I'd bet on a continuing push towards regional stabilization and the downfall of the neocon/neoliberal gangs in Washington, personally.

Also, the major difference between Iran today and Iraq in 2003 is that the EU, Russia and China are already doing business with Iran, there's no international no-fly zone over Iran, Iran actually has military defenses, etc.
http://www.businessinsider.com/europe-risks-losing-iran-to-china-and-russia-2015-8

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 18, 2017 2:11:37 AM | 113

@111

Your entire argument is baloney, because there is no revocation of Presidential clemency/pardon power. Trump's lawyers will no doubt advise him of such before he goes off half-cocked making a fool of himself. I believe Obama studied and taught Constitutional Law, therefore, he more than anyone would know that Trump would not be put in that position of trying to do something about it, or that the public would blame Trump for a decision he took. The Founding Fathers ensured that the person receiving Presidential clemency/pardon would not be subject to the whim of future Presidents. Now, just fyi, I stopped supporting Obama the moment he became President-elect because I saw something in him that made me believe he had capitulated to the deep-state, but I'll say this on this specific act: when Trump pardons Snowden get back to me.

@110

Sadly, you are right and your analogy is correct. However, I'm counting on individuals with half a brain who have the capacity to be honest with themselves and admit when reality stares them in the face that they were wrong.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 18, 2017 2:54:49 AM | 114

"lmao
russia EXTREME limited
Russia no troops!
GTFO with that propaganda. Russia could most definitely direct airstrikes on ISIL in that region.
Posted by: aaaa | Jan 17, 2017 5:35:03 PM | 76"

This issue has been covered before and is worth repeating.

Russia's primary interests in Syria are prevent/delay BOTH a Qatari AND Iranian pipleline to the EU.And its action and timing of its intervention is consistent with these 2 objectives.

And this is not a slur on Putin.

Rather if Putin goes around expending Russian assets in an effort to "save" the world from the US/NATO, I would think badly of him.

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jan 18, 2017 3:36:42 AM | 115

Jesus Circe did you even read past the first sentence? I pointed out I considered the ability to over-turn oblamblam's decision was likely not possible but that will not prevent the commutation from creating havoc for trump. This is politics we are considering, it has nothing to do with the law except when politicians occasionally find their actions intersect with the law. Whether or not commutations (which this is it isn't a pardon by any means) can be revoked trump, if he opens his mouth at all about this is gonna be placed under huge pressure, most likely demands for an end run around double jeopardy by charging Manning in the civilian courts, charge her with anything from some arcane breach of don't ask don't tell back in 09, to being in possession of a pirated lady gaga cd (manning used that cd for her data dump from her army workstation onto her personal laptop).
All sorts of dodgy legal attempts to screw double jeopardy are gonna be dragged out by all sorts of parties as a means to cause maximum trouble for both Manning & the trumpet. Like most of what these assholes do around 'what the public thinks' this isn't about outcome, it is about process, or more correectly, the process is the outcome.

Now at least I know where the Circe trumpet fixation comes from - your a frustrated obamaphile, a pretty embarrassing admission considering oblamblam's motives were transparent the moment he opened his mouth at the dem convention in '04.
I just cannot understand how people can subscribe to the cognitive dissonance which allows them to accurately perceive one silver tongued sociopath and yet they can still idolise another, whose gift of the gab and utter lack of scruple is just the same. I don't get it. I do understand the claim that one pol's policy is different to the other's, but since no politician to my knowledge has ever delivered on the vision he/she presented to voters, I simply cannot understand why anyone would believe their bulldust in the first place.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 18, 2017 3:51:08 AM | 116

@ PavewayIV | 98

Trump is being steered into the Iranian war and he's gearing himself up for it. His whole cabinet is made up of Israeli-firster - Iran must be annihilated types.

"Real man go to Tehran" wont happen, US cant afford and wouldnt be able to win even if they tried. Economic sabotage and sanctions is the most likely choice of USrael.

Unlikely but possible terrorists proxy war as they did in Libya and Syria. However I doubt they'll go for it while Syria isnt defeated, plus they wont have enough cannon fodder for it. Sure, small and well trained terrorists groups could do extensive damage on infrastructure, as well as do some suicide bombings (or drive trucks into the crowds), and thats the most they can do. To cripple Iran, not to win.

Posted by: Harry | Jan 18, 2017 3:57:08 AM | 117

RE: PavewayIV | Jan 17, 2017 7:47:26 PM | 83

"This is slow-motion genocide - exactly what CENTCOM and the OIR butchers want. Deir EzZor is where they want to herd ISIS to and those damn civilians are just in the way. I'm kind of surprised OIR hasn't rolled the B-52s from Qatar to carpet bomb those pesky civilians to oblivion. They probably would have if they could cover it up. Starving them to death or beheading by ISIS works just as well. "Operation Inherit Resolve: One Mission, Many Nations"

Genocide by starvation. This is precisely what was done to Germany after WWI and WWII, to Armenia in 1915, to Ukraine in 1932, Aleppo in 2016, and it is standard tactics and part of an ancient game plan.

Here are a few important points:
- OIR is a who is who of Nato
- It was Australian F16's and A10's that hit Del Ezzor in September 2016
- There is little support in any European country or the US for more proxy wars in the ME, yet every western government is on board.
- Every sovereign government in the EU has supported multiple waves increased sanctions against Russia, none of their peoples do.
- The entire western media instantly picks up the standard memes and propagates them verbatim
- All the banking systems of these countries are completely under the control by the same group of people

So it is blatantly obvious that there is a higher, international force pushing these conflicts. It isn't about Iran, it isn't about Crimea, it isn't about Russia. The US is merely the biggest puppet dancing on their stage. We are approaching the culmination of plans hatched centuries and even millennia ago. Those ignoring the 800 lb gorilla in the middle of the room and pretending that this is somehow capitalists like Exxon or Lockheed pushing this agenda are their tools, whether wittingly or more likely completely witless.

Posted by: Kenny | Jan 18, 2017 4:16:24 AM | 118

If Deir Ezzor falls and ISIS moves into the city, then removing them later by SAA or RUAF will be greeted with howls of "humanitarian atrocity" from the MSM. Better to destroy them before they take over the city and the airport. Could missiles solve the problem before the city falls, i.e. while the civilian population is still separate from the "moderate head-choppers"

Posted by: gerry | Jan 18, 2017 4:23:20 AM | 119

@ Kenny you forgot to mention leningrad and stalingrad, just a couple of the many cities Germany tried to starve to death during the maladministration of the third reich.

There are literally thousands of population centers around the world where civilians have been starved to death in order to grab a military advantage.
Interestingly it seems to be a whitefella tradition, altho there are certain to be examples of other cultures doing the same, either as a result of '
learning the whitefella way' or being ordered to do so by their whitefella puppet masters.
Back during the New Zealand wars when the brits tried and failed to defeat the indigenous Tangata Whenua population, there is a quite well known instance of the leader of the Maori warriors, Rewi Maniapoto, sending supplies including food water & ammunition into a besieged British fort. The notion of winning by starving out the opposition was abhorrent to Maniapoto and his warriors.

For all the geneva conventions, alleged bans on certain types of weaponry , one particular group, the whitefellas, have always waged war without any underpinning ethics other than those that give them a tactical advantage.
Where fukasi has claimed to be acting out of concern for others, a quick scratch of the surface usually reveals the real motive, that for whatever reason the acts deemed illegal somehow place the fukasi mob at a disadvantage - most usually things such as too many of their soldiers coming home in body bags.
e.g. The US marines who had been sent into iraq allegedly to prevent the use of chemical weapons by Iraq, rained white phosphorus shells down on the civilians of Fallujah for several weeks.

Incidentally, the air raid on the syrian positions at deir ezzor wasn't solely an australian operation, dane & englander airforces also enthusiastically participated in this act of war against a legitimate sovereign government. From the graun FWIW.

British, Australian and Danish warplanes also participated in the attack and released their weapons on the mistaken target, according to US air force Brig Gen Richard Coe, the investigating officer.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 18, 2017 4:56:13 AM | 120

@33
Those in charge of FB censoring heroic journalists like Vanessa Beeley will be in the dock in future war crimes tribunals.

Posted by: Anoncommenter18jan | Jan 18, 2017 5:19:48 AM | 121

@ gerry 119:

Almost 70% of Deir Ezzor is under Isis control. Isis is usually considered your head chopper's head chopper, even the joke qualifier "moderate" is never really applicable to them. Is fighters usually kill all the SAA troops that are captured, and the locals who aren't sunnis will be in trouble as well. There isn't a whole lot a missile can do that a bomb can't, maybe be somewhat more of a surprise?

Posted by: Wwinsti | Jan 18, 2017 5:43:09 AM | 122

From Daesh Daily, the heroic OIR/USAF boys are bombing the Tabqa Dam. You know... the one held by the crazy head-choppers that threatened to blow it if they were attacked? Yeah, THAT one.

"...The SOHR says Coalition warplanes attacked Daesh positions in Tabaqa city near the strategic Tabaqa Dam, while fighting between Daesh and advancing SDF forces continued. [SyriaHR]

Daesh issues a video of “American” bombing on the dam on Monday. Daesh says “American” planes targeted the dam 3 times in a row. [A3maq]

Here Daesh says the Coalition bombed the dam for the fourth time. [A3maq]..."

OK, is it just me or does this seem like a particularly bad idea? Don't ask me exactly how they are suppose to take back Syria's largest dam from ISIS - I haven't a clue. But bombing head-choppers in the general vicinity of the heavily-mined dam just seems unnecessarily... provocative. Are they intentionally trying to piss the head-choppers off?

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 18, 2017 6:03:30 AM | 123

At the moment, it does not seem that ISIS/Daesh is winning in Deir Ezzor, though the situation for the SAA remains complicated. Daesh troops overran the cemetary/university area and the city blocks northeast of it, thus split the SAA held territory in two, city region and airport region, but except the cemetary and adjacent areas northeast up to the river, their advances seem to have been repelled or reversed. As they have been pushed off the airport in the west by nearly 1km, helicopters were able to land there today, while Daesh positions are heavily bombed by Syrian and Russian air force. Additionally, relief attacks west of Palmyra, obviously in order to distract SAA and air force and hinder reinforcements in DE have been repelled.

Honestly, I do not fully understand how such attacks could take place under conditions of air supremacy. The positions of Daesh are not in an urban area such as Aleppo with ten thousands of hostages. There is many open terrain where Daesh is gathering and operating. It should be possible e.g. to drop thermobaric bombs there which do not leave anybody alive within a square mile (the effect is not due to heat but to rapid change of air pressure causing burst of alveoles and setting free gas in the blood vessels, similar to divers rising up too fast). Yes I know that this is armchair generalship, but I just fail to understand though I am aware of utter fanaticism of the often drugged Daesh fighters and the competence of their battlefield leadership.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jan 18, 2017 6:07:15 AM | 124

Copeland @ 90 says:

The Roman first shaved and then completely adulterated their money; and they were overextended militarily. They snuffed out the Republic and fought civil wars, and made emperors out of patricians and soldiers

and made a horse a consul.

yep, the mental decay is palpable.

maybe Obama will commute the sky for dropping so many bombs.

Posted by: john | Jan 18, 2017 7:09:26 AM | 125

@ Posted by: Circe | Jan 18, 2017 2:54:49 AM | 114

Posted by: Circe | Jan 17, 2017 11:58:16 PM | 103

@ Posted by: Denis | Jan 17, 2017 10:19:07 PM | 94

OJS @80

Best discussed on the Open Thread.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 17, 2017 7:14:21 PM | 82

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 17, 2017 10:27:15 PM | 95

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 12:19:24 AM | 108

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 8:02:44 AM | 126

@ Posted by: Kenny | Jan 18, 2017 4:16:24 AM | 118

Please see *** META ***, our generous Host & patron, b, @ 1

- used various anti-Jewish claptraps.

... What I would like you, b, to describe to us before you censor us for being it is:

- What is anti-semitism? Is that restricted to true non-semites or can anyone be a semite?
- Do the events in Syria that this current take over of Deir Ezzor represent not represent the interest of the "semite" homeland, Israel?
- Are commentors allowed to comment on this relationship, and others such as Israels providing medical care to Isis and providing the munitions, or is that "anti-semite".
- Are we allowed to compare Israel's treatment of Gaza to that of Assads treatment of East Aleppo?
- Could Israel's treatment of the West Bank (and gaza) be considered ethnic cleansing? what about genocide of the true semites of Palestine?

Posted by: Kenny | Jan 17, 2017 3:09:12 PM | 59

&

... - All the banking systems of these countries are completely under the control by the same group of people

So it is blatantly obvious that there is a higher, international force pushing these conflicts. It isn't about Iran, it isn't about Crimea, it isn't about Russia. The US is merely the biggest puppet dancing on their stage. We are approaching the culmination of plans hatched centuries and even millennia ago. Those ignoring the 800 lb gorilla in the middle of the room and pretending that this is somehow capitalists like Exxon or Lockheed pushing this agenda are their tools, whether wittingly or more likely completely witless.

Posted by: Kenny | Jan 18, 2017 4:16:24 AM | 118

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 8:21:49 AM | 127

Not sure how reliable Almasdarnews is, frankly, but looks like Syrian helicopters are landing in Deir Ezor; that and another Almasdar link indicate that Syria is resisting to a stalemate at present, Russians are aiding with close quarters bombing, and some supplies are getting in.

Posted by: fairleft | Jan 18, 2017 8:52:29 AM | 128

@ Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 18, 2017 6:03:30 AM | 123

Yet, it is an almost unambiguous War Crime to attack or destroy infrastructure such as Reservoirs & Dams & Nuclear Facilities, Under almost all Circumstances, ah sorry, my mistake, such trivialities never apply to The Empire of self declared, Exceptionalism', and it's allies, (The DamBusters, anyone ?) ...:

Crimes of War - Dangerous Forces: Dams, Dikes, and Nuclear Stations

... The Serb military actions were subject to two fundamental principles governing the impact of armed conflict on civilians as well as special rules that apply to “dangerous forces.” First, civilians may not be made the direct object of attack. If the aim of the attack on the dam was to wipe out the civilians of Omis it was a grave breach. If it was to cause them under threat of destruction to abandon the area for reasons not strictly related to military necessity or their safety, then the attack was a serious violation.

Even if the attack upon the dam was not undertaken in order to affect civilians directly, if the resulting damage to civilians and civilian objects was not justified by military necessity, and would have been disproportionate to the concrete military advantages gained through it, the attack would also be a violation of the laws of armed conflict.

In addition, a special set of rules apply in this case.

According to Article 56 of the 1977 Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions, “works or installations containing dangerous forces, namely dams, dikes and nuclear electrical generating stations, shall not be made the object of attack, even when these objects are military objectives, if such attack may cause the release of dangerous forces and consequent severe losses among the civilian population.”

On the face of things, it would therefore appear that what the Serbs did was a violation of the laws of armed conflict. However, as with so many prohibitions in international humanitarian law, Article 56 of Protocol I is subject to important caveats. In other words, even so seemingly gross a violation as detonating explosives in a dam that causes severe losses among civilians is not always forbidden to soldiers.

Traditionally, the laws and customs of war allow the destruction of dams and dikes to stop an enemy’s advance. And Article 56 does specify three exceptions to the prohibition against attacking or destroying works or installations containing dangerous forces. Where dams or dikes are concerned, the exception occurs when the installation is used for “other than its normal function and in regular, significant and direct support of military operations and if such attack is the only feasible way to terminate such support.”

In other words, the article places obligations not only upon attacking forces but also defenders who might decide to utilize those installations or the nearby areas for “regular, significant, and direct” support of military operations. ...

Of course, plausibly-deniable, 'mistakes' such as, bombing 'nearby' or that provide an excuse for your proxy force to abandon the positions nearby and destroy said infrastructure out of malice upon departure due to such attacks, is a complete misunderstanding and representation of possible decisions/actions/consequences, made. Hence, we see this article & Post @ 17

@ Posted by: aquadraht | Jan 18, 2017 6:07:15 AM | 124

Re the dier-ezzor Airport in terms of usability/control/denial thereof, see post @ 105.

As discussed in some comments/reports, the ISIS 'head-choppers' are keeping to mostly small, dispersed groups, using available cover/concealment/terrain, night/weather, wherever possible when in vicinity of likely observation/detection by SAA, to increase likely evasion & subsequent effective detection/attack from CAS elements. Akin to having to use a sledgehammer, to crack a walnut, you haven't found yet, hiding in a haystack :(

The ISIS proxies forces are well aware of the capabilities of the SAA Air Force & RF Air Force elements, thru bitter experience & constant reminders by their masters, the US SF advisers/commanders, who would also relay/communicate to them, in advance, to take counter-measures (dispersal, etc), ie,:

Be advised, CAS strike of Qty x 3 SU-25, inbound to your locale, estimated ETA ?Mins

@ Posted by: john | Jan 18, 2017 7:09:26 AM | 125

May be of interest - Posted by: x | Jan 18, 2017 1:05:35 AM | 227, Open Thread 2017-02, page 3

Cheers

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 9:11:50 AM | 129

@124 ad, 'Honestly, I do not fully understand how such attacks could take place under conditions of air supremacy.'

Video: Russian aircraft unit prepares to depart Syria as scale-back continues
Group of Russian Sukhoi-24 bombers to return from Syria soon: Defense Ministry
Russian Su-24s Tactical Bombers Leaving Syria

those links are all the same story. the russians are busy in Kazakhstan concluding their peace talks with the turks, packing up, and going home.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 18, 2017 9:12:29 AM | 130

With regard to comments about Chelsea Manning

Has anyone else here ever been on the inside waiting for a date? A date four months off is not a date. It is a trick. It is a cynical ploy. If Obama had any intention of commuting her sentence it would be commuted to time served, followed by immediate release while Obama still has something to say about the matter. What he did instead is manipulative and sleazy past reckoning. Chelsea Manning is more likely to be dead in four months time than free.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Jan 18, 2017 9:26:24 AM | 131

jfl 130

Looking at what is happening in Syria, the situation at DE may not be as bad as it looks. Other SAA offensives are ongoing and looking like a new offensive in west Aleppo towards Al Bab.

Like with the earlier jihadi breakthrough of the Aleppo siege with vehicle bombs, the SAA is now expected to hold their positions while the ISIS logistics are destroyed?

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 18, 2017 9:30:25 AM | 132

Posted by: jfl | Jan 18, 2017 9:12:29 AM | 130

Russia swaps Su-24 for Su-25 aircraft in Syria
IHS Jane's 360

6 days ago - Russia has deployed four Su-25 ground attack aircraft to Syria but withdrawn six Su-24 strike aircraft, Ministry of Defence spokesman Major ...

Swap 6 x less capable SU-24 'Fencer' for 4 x significantly superior SU-25 'Frogfoot' ... re dedicated Close Air Support capabilities. The Su-25(SM), and the Su-34, were the only armoured, fixed-wing aircraft in production in 2007. SU25 is a specialized shturmovik armored assault aircraft in order to provide close air support (Link). A comparable aircraft to the US A-10 Warthog re totally specialized design/role/capabilities.

Sukhoi Su-25 vs Sukhoi Su-24 | Comparison attack and bomber aircraft specifications

Here you can compare specifications, production year, cost and pictures attack and bomber aircraft.

SU-25 'Frogfoot' is a dedicated and superior Close Air Support platform.

All is not what it seems, nor as uninformed MSM report ...

Cheers

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 9:40:03 AM | 133

So basically Russia *is* bombing ISIL contrary to the article posted

Posted by: aaaaa | Jan 18, 2017 10:01:08 AM | 134

On Trump and Iran (in reply to comments above)

1. Trump is less controlled than Obama.

2. Presidents generally try to remain true to the vision they lay out (with the notable exception of Obama - see #1).

3. Every Presidential election has winners and losers. So it is instructive to note the contrast between Trump and Obama/Hillary. As this indicates what interests 'lost' when Trump won.

Obama is a deceiver. His lofty slogans were not truth but lies dressed up as 'hope'.

Obama has been far more warlike and pro-capital than he let on. The warmonger/Zionists complaints against him are laughable. They gave Obama political 'cover' that enabled him to act on their behalf.

>> Obama didn't attack Syria only because the Russian refused to allow it. Even American troops were rebelling at effectively helping al Queda (911 was still fresh on people's minds).

>> Obama did a "peace deal" with Iran that is anything but. IMO it is essentially a means of forestalling war because the timetable changed when Obama couldn't bomb Syria.

Trump is a 'truth-teller'. But you have to listen carefully: he has made it clear that he doesn't want to be specific about his plans because he doesn't want to give a negotiating advantage to adversaries (some of whom may nominally be allies).

The way Trump talks about Hillary and foreign affairs makes it clear that he knows what is going on.

>> He attacks "radical Islamic terrorism", says that "Obama created ISIS", says he will be a "law and order" President, and portrays Hillary as incompetent and evil;

>> He wants to turn Russia from strategic adversary to strategic ally.

The anti-Iranian bluster is necessary for turning US hate away from Russia, allowing space for a deal.

A deal with Russia would greatly demote Israel and GCC (who have been working together) as US allies. It constitutes a 'counter-coup' against the Russia-hating neocons.

That is why there is a concerted and determined effort by the establishment to de-legitimize, and possibly remove, Trump.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 18, 2017 10:02:55 AM | 135

This DZ plot would be the last hope to say 'hurrah we taught Syria a lesson' by the 'worst than prostitutes' gang in DC and their cutthroat cohorts wahabists in GCc.They have like 3 days to holocaust DZ what they failed like 5 years!The days when Syria and its barrel bomber are challenged is coming to close very fast!meet you in Alleppo for wine :-)

Posted by: Nur Adlina | Jan 18, 2017 10:17:17 AM | 136

Samantha Power sang her swan song at Atlantic Council yesterday, Jan 17 2017.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?422065-1/un-ambassador-samantha-power-warns-ignoring-russian-aggression

She accused Russia and Putin of "lying" about the destruction of the aid vans on Sept 16 2016, but she did not mention the "mistaken" US attack that killed SAS fighters.

Posted by: Croesus | Jan 18, 2017 10:17:55 AM | 137

Followup to 133

May not be obvious, however for MOAs who may not be aware the SU-24 is a swing-wing, multi-role, supersonic attack aircraft, ideally for deep penetration and interdiction strikes/attacks. Therefore, without getting caught up in the minutia, it is an expensive to manufacture/replace/repair/operate, and especially maintain aircraft re CAS in operations compared to the SU25(SM).

The SU25(SM) is in comparison a far less complex and less sophisticated, well, Flying Armored Tank equivalent, in gross descriptive terms. Subsonic and heavily specialized for dedicated Ground Attack/Close Air Support. Far more survivable re CAS, easier & cheaper to manufacture/replace/repair/operate and especially maintain in sustained dedicated CAS operations compared to the SU24.

Have not looked up the relative sustained/peak sortie rate for each aircraft, though a single SU25(SM) would likely be able to conduct ~2.5-4 sorties in the same time-frame a SU24 could, and be highly survivable and very lethal whilst doing so, for less $ cost ...

Hence 4 x SU25(SM) are the operational equivalent and superior in ultimate effectiveness re dedicated CAS, especially in sustained high tempo sortie rates, than say, up to ~12-16 SU24 ... when considered re actual operations, rather than individual aircraft specifications in isolation ... crews are also experienced/specialized/trained exclusively for the dedicated CAS role compared to SU24 crews ... worth reflecting on, or a short ponder/consideration ;)

Cheers

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 10:23:11 AM | 138

@ Posted by: aaaaa | Jan 18, 2017 10:01:08 AM | 134

Please see *** META ***, our generous Host & patron, b, @ 1

- were just random one-liners irrelevant to any discussion.

The blog lives since a decade through relevant comments on the presented issues. If you are too lazy to make decent ones shut up.

Present arguments ...

- - -

lmao
russia EXTREME limited
Russia no troops!

GTFO with that propaganda. Russia could most definitely direct airstrikes on ISIL in that region.

Posted by: aaaa | Jan 17, 2017 5:35:03 PM | 76

So basically Russia *is* bombing ISIL contrary to the article posted

Posted by: aaaaa | Jan 18, 2017 10:01:08 AM | 134

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 10:33:58 AM | 139

@ Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 18, 2017 10:02:55 AM | 135

Succinct, clear, probable analysis.

Though only time and deeds/actions will tell, re Trumpster & his faction ... not much longer before the clock starts ticking ... first seven, then 100 days will elucidate the new administrations position/focus/objectives ... contrary to the fog of dis-information/de-legitimization/framing narratives, throughout the MSM ...

Cheers

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 10:43:11 AM | 140

As ever, Putin seems to play a wily game. The shape of the carve up of Syria is becoming pretty clear now. Assad gets a rump state totally dependent on Putin's kindness.

Some one said it was simplistic and cartoonish to use words like "evil" in relation to mis-leaders like Obama and Putin. Yes, true enough, in that evil is not a strong enough word.

Posted by: paul | Jan 18, 2017 10:51:26 AM | 141

Re. Trump: when a president-elect starts laying out his or her cabinet, you get a good picture of who they are going to be.

Posted by: paul | Jan 18, 2017 10:54:21 AM | 142

@ paul 141 & 142

Actions/Deeds, not mere words! ... once in actual Office.

In regard to cartoonish and oversimplified labels, of little value, you may be interested in explanations/clarifications in:

'2017-01 It can't happen here Color Revolution by Force' posts 42, 100 & 139

& Open Thread 2017-02 post 235

or maybe not.

Cheers.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 11:28:42 AM | 143

@Debsisdead | Jan 18, 2017 4:56:13 AM | 120

Stalingrad and Leningrad were Russian cities already under genocidal occupation by Jewish Bolschevics when Hitler invaded. The poor remaining Russian Christians who were not already starving and might have escaped were murdered by Jewish Commissars.

As far as how England behaved towards various indigenous people who inconveniently occupied future British East India Company colonial territory, the truth is still dribbling out. We do know that the Opium wars were primarily to the benefit of the Sassoon family. And of course there is the rape and displacement of the devoutly christian Boers of South Africa for the benefit of the Rothschild's and their gold and diamond businesses.

The starvation of Dier Ezzor would not constitute enough evidence to make charges of genocide, but it is one more piece in a very large mosaic of butchered and impoverished peoples around the world. It seems every piece of this mosiac leads one way or another back to strings pulled by members of a certain tribe.

Starving cities without compunction, like bombing cities ala Dresden, Hamburg and Tokyo, serves notice to everyone on the planet that these people will stop at nothing. Not DU warheads. Not staged Chemical weapons attacks. Not mass beheadings. Certainly not killing by thirst or hunger. And certainly not assassination or IRS audit.

"Top German reporter Udo Ulfkotte who this past year shockingly revealed that all Western mainstream media is completely fake (“We all lie for the CIA”) and was banned from Facebook this past July for his exposing the plot behind Chancellor Angela Merkel’s flooding his nation with Islamic radicals, this report continues, had been summoned by President-elect Trump for a private meeting—but when he failed to make his Friday evening (13 January) flight to New York City, was shortly thereafter discovered dead in his home—and that German authorities promptly ruled was due to a heart attack, conducted no autopsy, and then quickly cremated his body. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGqi-k213eE

Posted by: Kenny | Jan 18, 2017 11:29:10 AM | 144

@ Posted by: Kenny | Jan 18, 2017 11:29:10 AM | 144

Respectfully, again, re your 59 & 118 & now 144

Please see *** META ***, our generous Host & patron, b, @ 1

- used various anti-Jewish claptraps..

Your 144:

Stalingrad and Leningrad were Russian cities already under genocidal occupation by Jewish Bolschevics when Hitler invaded. The poor remaining Russian Christians who were not already starving and might have escaped were murdered by Jewish Commissars.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 11:37:59 AM | 145

@116

What part of no one can overturn Presidential clemency/pardon don't you get??? What you wrote is conspiratorial and uninformed legal claptrap. Trump won't be in an unprecedented position regarding this particular Obama choice for clemency. Scores of Presidents before Trump followed Presidents who bestowed highly controversial clemency and the effing sky didn't fall on the next President!

Regarding Obama; fyi I had suspicions BEFORE he became President-elect and gave him the benefit of the doubt until he became President-elect and before he even picked his cabinet I started criticizing him and took as much flack over it as I'm taking here. Secondly, if I did give him the benefit of the doubt before the election; it's because his opponent, John McCain, was and is a rabid Neocon and his opponent in the primaries was Hillary! Also, we were emerging from the rule of one of the worst and darkest Presidential regimes in history (only to be outdone by Trump mind you); so please spare me your smug condescension. Many people were in search of anything better than Dubya/Cheney, McCain and Hillary; not just me. To err is human, and at least I admitted it early on, unlike some of you here still punch drunk with the Trump fantasy when he has already provided ample, no, over-whelming proof of where he's heading and who he really is. Oh, and one more thing; at least I figured out then and there that whatever figure the deep-state picks for the two-headed monopoly will always be corrupted/suborned; while you're still in la-la land regarding Trump.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 18, 2017 11:54:59 AM | 146

@ Posted by: Circe | Jan 18, 2017 11:54:59 AM | 146

Respectfully:

Please see *** META ***, our generous Host & patron, b, @ 1

- threw ad-hominem left and right

The blog lives since a decade through relevant comments on the presented issues. If you are too lazy to make decent ones shut up.

Present arguments, not personal attacks..

See your:

What you wrote is conspiratorial and uninformed legal claptrap ...

... so please spare me your smug condescension. ...unlike some of you here still punch drunk with ... while you're still in la-la land.

And, again:

Posted by: Circe | Jan 18, 2017 2:54:49 AM | 114

Posted by: Circe | Jan 17, 2017 11:58:16 PM | 103

@ Posted by: Denis | Jan 17, 2017 10:19:07 PM | 94

OJS @80

Best discussed on the Open Thread.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 12:16:07 PM | 147

@147

Respectfully:

That's funny coming from someone who has used more direct and personal four-letter expletives and levelled more troll charges and ad homs than anyone else here.

Until you and your side-kick Jackrabbit show me proof that you've both been deputized the thread police; I'll respectfully ask you to quit tailing me like a yapping chihuahua. Although I sometimes disagree with you; I appreciate a lot of your comments, but honestly snap out of this vigilante role; it's kindergarten stuff, very beneath your intelligence and really boring.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 18, 2017 12:40:00 PM | 148

@Circe | Jan 18, 2017 12:40:00 PM | 148

"I appreciate a lot of your comments"

I don't. I find them too wordy, too long, and too mundane.

b really has a choice here. He can make this a Politically Correct Bar where only the official narrative is allowed, or he can throw out the PC police. Otherwise we will have no peace because these PC guys will never figure it out and leave on their own.

Posted by: Kenny | Jan 18, 2017 12:49:14 PM | 149

High ranking Syrian General arrives in Deir Ezzor

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/high-ranking-syrian-general-arrives-deir-ezzor/

I am of the opinion that the people driving events in Syria and the Middle East are mentally and morally children. Incapable of rational thought or action. Raised on a mantra of 'exceptionalism.' We know who these people are. Will they be brought to justice? Past events would indicate that they will not be charged with their crimes against humanity and their war crimes. Within 48 hours we shall see.

Just me opinion

Posted by: ALberto | Jan 18, 2017 12:50:48 PM | 150

"Time for the Russian to make the ground glow.Throw everything in.No civilians anywhere.Carpet bomb these tiny pieces of land, napalm,FAEs,Father of Bombs..let it rain fire and brimstone.The small approach doesnt work here.How about lifting Airborne Assault Troops in,Combat jump."

It never fails to amaze me how so many people opposed to American imperialism can come out with such reactionary statements. Then again, Andrew Carnegie, who was a member of the Anti-Imperialist League, had no problems gunning down striking steelworkers.

Posted by: Louis Proyect | Jan 18, 2017 1:07:16 PM | 151

Nawaf al Bashir, who defected from the opposition and returned to Syria to support the truce and the army, speaks out
https://twitter.com/maytham956/status/821659069366882308
(latest of a series of 18 tweets by Maytham)

Posted by: Mina | Jan 18, 2017 1:37:04 PM | 153

@ Posted by: Circe | Jan 18, 2017 12:40:00 PM | 148

@ Posted by: Kenny | Jan 18, 2017 12:49:14 PM | 149

Respectfully, giving the 'benefit of the doubt', the Host's Blog, this Forum, has been cleared/cleaned up/poster & posts culled, and the Blog 'RESET' moving forward, with effect Jan 17 2017, by the Patron & Host, b.

The long standing RULES of more than a decade are Crystal Clear and Re-Affirmed, unambiguously & unequivocally.

Please see b's post @ 1 re *** META ***.

Regards & Good Day.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 18, 2017 1:46:15 PM | 154

rules-META-rules-rules-interaction-html-CIA-prozac


While in Mali, a week after Hollande made his Bush-in-Iraq visit "mission accomplished", a suicide bombing makes 47 dead in a military base
http://www.rfi.fr/afrique/20170118-mali-attentat-suicide-40-morts-camp-gao-kamikaze

Posted by: Mina | Jan 18, 2017 1:52:26 PM | 155

It never fails to amaze me how so many [liberal interventionists] people opposed to [human rights abuses] American imperialism can [be such numskulls]come out with such reactionary statements. Then again, [Louis Proyect]Andrew Carnegie, who was a [troll for the feckless Left]member of the Anti-Imperialist League, had no problems [lying for the empire] gunning down striking steelworkers.

TIFFY

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 18, 2017 1:59:34 PM | 156

@ Outraged 108; 109; 126, 127; 139; 143; 145; 147- (8) just on this page, No: 2 !! tabulated up to 151

and @ Circe 148, @ Kenny 149
OT but valid considering Upthread at referenced numbers.

At risk of being declared a p n g, I must have missed b’s announcement - his appointing Outraged MOA’s Blog Moderator & Monitor of just about every other comment.

Outraged, “respectfully” while your contribution to the topic of discussion is welcomed, if you were not appointed Blog Moderator & Monitor, please dim it. Over the last week some commenters gave you several hints but to no avail. It’s become aggressive, disruptive and tiring for commenters and those who may just read without commenting.

Posted by: likklemore | Jan 18, 2017 2:05:42 PM | 157

Why have Russia and or SAA Airforce not attempted to retake mountain perch lost to ISIS?
Seems that this move would facilitate later supply efforts to Deir Ezzor.

Posted by: flatulus | Jan 18, 2017 2:26:54 PM | 158

Takfiris? Huh? Iranian propaganda, they are the ones who talk like this. What a joke this blog is.

Posted by: Ned | Jan 18, 2017 2:33:04 PM | 159

Tass Ru: Syrian conflict settlement talks is scheduled in Astana, January 23-25
Earlier today Sputniknews reported Gen. Mike Flynn, incoming Trump advisor, would attend. [link has disappeared]

Iran strongly objects to US participation while Syria has no objections. but, with a proviso:

BEIRUT, January 18. /TASS/. "Any country that "honestly seeks to facilitate the peaceful settlement of the Syrian conflict, is eligible to take part in the Astana meeting," Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad said on Wednesday in an interview with the Lebanese broadcaster al-Mayadeen.

He made clear that Damascus had no objections to the presence of US representatives at the Astana talks scheduled to be held January 23-25. However, Mekdad stressed that Washington "will have to prove its sincerity about settling the Syrian crisis." According to the Syrian deputy minister, the US "should exert pressure on Turkey to make it close its border with Syria," as well as influence its partners, namely Saudi Arabia and Qatar "preventing them from financing militant groups and supplying weapons to them."

The Astana meeting will be held in accordance with the initiative put forward by Russia, Turkey and Iran on December 20, 2016. Iran stands against the US presence. Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council of Iran Ali Shamhani said on Wednesday that there were "absolutely no grounds" for the United States’ participation in the talks. At the same time, he admitted that "there is a possibility that the host country (Kazakhstan) will invite the US to Astana as an observer."


Posted by: likklemore | Jan 18, 2017 2:41:43 PM | 160

Tass Ru: Syrian conflict settlement talks is scheduled in Astana, January 23-25

Earlier today Sputniknews reported Gen. Mike Flynn, incoming Trump advisor, would attend. [link has disappeared]

Iran strongly objects to US participation
http://tass.com/world/925725
while
Syria has no objections….. but on one condition:
http://tass.com/world/925781

BEIRUT, January 18. /TASS/.
“Any country that "honestly seeks to facilitate the peaceful settlement of the Syrian conflict, is eligible to take part in the Astana meeting," Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad said on Wednesday in an interview with the Lebanese broadcaster al-Mayadeen.

He made clear that Damascus had no objections to the presence of US representatives at the Astana talks scheduled to be held January 23-25. However, Mekdad stressed that Washington "will have to prove its sincerity about settling the Syrian crisis." According to the Syrian deputy minister, the US "should exert pressure on Turkey to make it close its border with Syria," as well as influence its partners, namely Saudi Arabia and Qatar "preventing them from financing militant groups and supplying weapons to them."

The Astana meeting will be held in accordance with the initiative put forward by Russia, Turkey and Iran on December 20, 2016. Iran stands against the US presence. Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council of Iran Ali Shamhani said on Wednesday that there were "absolutely no grounds" for the United States’ participation in the talks. At the same time, he admitted that "there is a possibility that the host country (Kazakhstan) will invite the US to Astana as an observer."


Posted by: likklemore | Jan 18, 2017 2:51:43 PM | 161

Don't get to read all the stuff available so perhaps this point is redundant. Israel is a major ally or at least investment for the US, if ISIS were the true threat to the world that the US says it is, why does Israel bomb Damascus and the US bomb SAA instead of ISIS. The proximity to Israel, of ISIS forces, makes it abundantly clear that neither Israel nor the US are even slightly threatened by ISIS. When the US attacked Deir Ezzor's SAA defenders they confirmed the coalitions true loyalties.

Its extremely disturbing to me that my government is killing innocent people and supporting lawless psychopaths. If Saddam Hussein is evil, if, then kill him. Was it really necessary to destroy the whole country to get rid of one guy. Its like using a big nuke to go squirrel hunting. To me Deir Ezzor is the legacy of Obama, it really shows his overriding duplicity. In an area where we should be fighting to stamp out the threat to our dearest ally we instead aid their deadliest enemy, hmm doesn't quite add up!

Posted by: frankly | Jan 18, 2017 3:21:34 PM | 162

to 88
It is not SAA general. It is Senior jihadi commander and former assistant of #AlQaeda Emir Ayman Al Zawahiri, killed in Syria's Idlib 17.1. by US-coalition drone strike.
https://twitter.com/Syria_Protector/status/821397022624321537

Posted by: jirina | Jan 18, 2017 3:25:52 PM | 163

Back when we were war planning Syria Deir Ezzor was the 'field HQ'.

The wild wild west of Iraq gateway.

Russia will need to continuously bomb ISIL oil and gas facilities thereby denying access to Europe.

The planned pipelines are perhaps a decade away as Russia has thrown an wrench in it as they did in Ukraine.

Posted by: Gravatomic | Jan 18, 2017 3:35:36 PM | 164

@162

Thank you for correcting my error.

Posted by: Wwinsti | Jan 18, 2017 4:05:20 PM | 166

likklemore | Jan 18, 2017 2:05:42 PM | 157: It’s become aggressive, disruptive and tiring for commenters and those who may just read without commenting.

Thanks, lik* . Add James [36] and me [49] to your list of discontents at the outraged dude’s (OD) digital diarrhea and self-deputized PC constabulary role. Maybe Mina, too [152]. juannie [53] OTOH has signed onto OD’s PC posse.

I wonder if b runs the math on this sort of parasitic behavior from the likes of the OD. And the reason I say it is that OD obviously puts up heaps of comments and that runs up the comment-counter, which is good from the blog meister’s POV – ya’ always like to see that comment counter top 200. But then again, like you imply, OD is surely driving readers, commenters, and potential $$ contributors away with his(?) endless digital diarrhea and self-appointed cop-crap.

The perfect app would be one that counts the characters submitted by each IP – Twitter style – and when a predetermined number is reached for a thread – POOF! – that IP is blocked for that thread. This could be combined with a comment counter. So each person gets, say, a total of 2000 characters or 10 comments, whichever comes first, per thread, and then a trap door opens and they fall into the River Styx or something. Just brain-stormin’ here. There’s gotta’ be a tech solution for this problem.

OK, OD have at it. Forget your little-girl OT-bitchin’ for this comment. It’s in re: b’s comment #1. Abide, man . . .

Posted by: Denis | Jan 18, 2017 4:10:24 PM | 167

a great long rant, covers so much, too much to quote
agree with most all(not so sure about lindsey graham, i think his motivation is "christian zionism" not mentioned here)
Unrelenting Reality of American Politics
Of Wizards, Washington, And The Dreary
A raw and sometimes darkly comic survey of America’s treacherous political terrain

by John Chuckman

> If you want a better domestic economy, there are few better places to start than paring back the unbelievable waste of great masses of ships and planes and tanks rumbling around everywhere and creating nothing of economic value. Nothing is more wasteful and destructive than maintaining such a military establishment. No one better knows how to waste money than the military with its every movement of a truck or plane costing immensely more than the same act in the civilian economy and none of the movements producing any worthwhile good or service. And the nonsense of keeping Europe and Russia as near-enemies rather than flourishing economic partners only impoverishes everyone.


http://www.slguardian.org/2017/01/unrelenting-reality-of-american-politics/

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 18, 2017 5:27:25 PM | 168

Eric Zuesse article published today on The Duran:

US-ISIS alliance on verge of conquering major Syrian city
The important city of Der Zor in Syria is now surrounded by U.S.-backed ISIS jihadists, who are on the verge of retaking it from government forces.

Links to this article

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 18, 2017 6:09:33 PM | 169

Haven't time to read the comments today, so hope my comment isn't a repetition of info already covered.
Weather in Deir Ezzor appears to pose no aviation diffculties today thru Friday. Airport forecast says
specifically "no weather delay," so I guess that wd be the same for the rest of the city.

I remind you of the following:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/12/open-thread-2016-41.html#comments
# 54 w links, dramatic
Ivan Sidorenko translating Roman Saponkov: 4,000 ISIS retaking Palmyra while Russians don't resist in spite of a headquarters there the product of a deal. Half of Aleppo given up by ISIS; they got in buses & drive away. Perhaps more soon. The price was Palmyra which was not easily defended anyway. This points to partitioning Syria. "But first they'll give up Deir-ez-Zor
Russians left their ground headqtrs before ISIS arrived, didn' inform SAA, their allies, that ISIS was coming. Russian airforce not active against ISIS for hours before & ISIS entered via the abandoned Russian positions. The Russians left them loads of materiel --E

----
#82
Yes, very much a Russian failure. Colonel Cassad has a list of the equipment that was left behind, and many photos. Truly a colossal screw-up:
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3122478.html
The following were left behind in Palmyra for ISIS: 30 tanks, 6 IFVs, 6 122mm artillery, 7 ZU-23 anti-aircraft guns, various cars, anti-tank missiles, small arms, plus a lot of supplies and ammunition that was there for a planned future offensive to Deir Ezzor. --E

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 18, 2017 6:25:20 PM | 170

@Penelope I remember reading that comment. Well, now we see it's true -- Deir Ezzor has fallen to ISIS. Putin has betrayed Syria -- or just some hard realpolitik? I dunno.

Posted by: David | Jan 18, 2017 7:22:25 PM | 171

Although I make a habit of not feeding trolls I'm becoming frustrated by the attempts to convert various threads into racist, judeophobic tirades. This is a well known israeli department of strategic affairs ploy to turn people off anti-zionism by associating it with judeophobia.
Comments like the population of Leningrad & Stalingrad were led by jewish bolsheviks and it is they who starved the people not the nazi troops who had laid civilians under siege, are quite frankly so incorrect that one must assume they are deliberate plants by the israeli government to bring this blog into disrepute.

Nikita Kruschev was the political officer (commisar to the ignorati) in control of Stalingrad during the siege and he most certainly wasn't jewish, having risen to the higher echelons of Soviet bureaucracy following Stalin's 1930's purge of most jews from senior positions, ostensibly as a way of countering Leon Trotsky but actually as a way of cementing his own position, Stalin had conducted clean outs of any easily identified groups of Soviet power brokers who weren't Georgian acquaintances of uncle Joe.

It wasn't personal or even racist really, Stalin just didn't brook any competition from jews, russians, military officers or the agriculturally literate among many other groups his death squads targeted. Not because he had any personal grievance, just because he didn't want any alternative power centers. The purges of Jews undertaken in the 1930's was pretty much complete by the time the nazi sociopaths attacked the USSR in June 1941, so anyone alleging that 'jewish bolsheviks' controlled those population centers who were starved, murdered and raped by the nazis, is either unutterably ignorant, or deliberately provoking the thread to assist zionist disruption of any opposition to their Palestinian genocide. I shall leave it up to any readers to decide for themselves which description best fits "Kenny".

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 18, 2017 7:23:48 PM | 172

@171 DiD, 'I'm becoming frustrated by the attempts to convert various threads into racist, judeophobic tirades. This is a well known israeli department of strategic affairs ploy to turn people off anti-zionism by associating it with judeophobia.'

i always try to put in a link to The Double Identity of an "Anti-Semitic" Commenter, aka hambaconeggs, pace guest77, whenever the horrible hasbaristas raise their ugly heads here. everyone can benefit from that case study.

@168 pw

thanks for the link ... am heading there right now ... although i imagine that you are a more competent commenter that Eric Zuesse on deir ezzor.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 18, 2017 7:52:11 PM | 173

@172 Eric Zuesse seems to be somewhat in awe of ISIS. He should check out the update on Syria Perspective and he might feel better.

Posted by: dh | Jan 18, 2017 8:01:20 PM | 174

@171
"Although I make a habit of not feeding trolls I'm becoming frustrated by the attempts to convert various threads into racist, judeophobic tirades. This is a well known israeli department of strategic affairs ploy to turn people off anti-zionism by associating it with judeophobia."

Hey, you know what works like a charm for those types? Bring up the Israeli nuclear weapons program and try to engage them in a conversation about the similiarities between, say, China and North Korea's nuclear program and the United States and Israel's nuclear weapons program. This is guaranteed to shut them up immediately, because the last thing the Israeli government wants is more attention drawn to that issue. Shit like this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/colin-powell-leaked-emails-nuclear-weapons-israel-iran. . .

Israel has 200 nuclear weapons, according to the latest revelation hidden in a cache of Colin Powell's leaked emails. The former US secretary of state revealed the information in an email he sent to a colleague last year, which was obtained by the hacking group DCLeaks and published on LobeLog, a foreign policy blog.

That's how you shut up the Israeli PR monkeys, isn't it?

As far as the Saudis, well, they don't like talking about their extensive record of support for ISIS-style Wahhabi-Salafist-Takfiri radical Islam, which they somehow thought they could use as a proxy to promote their agenda, wow, that worked out well, didn't it? Now their greatest fear is internal ISIS terrorism inside Saudi Arabia. Probably more of a concern than a Shia populist movement, all things concerned, for the ruling House of Saud.

And yet, we all know the Israelis are in some kind of alliance with the Saudis, a relationship blessed by the United States, perhaps not so unlike the Iran-Syria-Russia alliance. So here's an idea: Russia and the United States get together and force the Shia-Alawi and Sunni-Israel groups to sit down at the same table (perhaps Lebanon could play a role) and agree to a cessation of hostilities. Wow, diplomacy, what a novel concept.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 18, 2017 8:14:09 PM | 175

@173 dh zlad generally puts a positive spin on things.. the truth might be somewhere down the middle.. it always amazes me how the us - west coalition are incapable of doing anything against isis, not to mention the usa's role in stopping the traffic from mosul headed east.. they are persona non grata in action.

the money to support isis is coming from where? i mostly think saudi arabia and qatar.. i don't suppose they will be '''sanctioned''' any time soon either.. gotta love those western hypocrites that take the money while turning a blind eye on it all.. i hope they all rot in hell..

Posted by: james | Jan 18, 2017 8:20:16 PM | 176

@168

actually, isn't Russia-Turkey alliance on verge of conquering Syrian city as noteworthy as Eric Zuesse?


Moscow says Russian warplanes and Turkish jets have jointly targeted positions of Daesh terrorists in the Syrian city of al-Bab.

The Russian military official said the operation had been conducted with the Syrian government’s consent.


... the russians always add that footnote ... i guess they have a blanket 'consent' form signed by assad? whatever you 'have' to do in our country to our people is ipso facto in our interest?

in deir ezzor ... the russians seem to have found destroying daesh to be not so much in the 'Syrian' interest, whereas destroying daesh and enlarging the Syrian territory under Turkish command is.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 18, 2017 8:24:24 PM | 177

@168 pw

sorry. i thought there was an 'article' at the end of that link. nothing there, that i could see. it's just a typically twitterish twit ... and, actually, i clicked on everything ... found no link to moa ...

Posted by: jfl | Jan 18, 2017 8:28:51 PM | 178

@178 You need to scroll through the tweets until you get to this.....from the duran

http://theduran.com/u-s-isis-alliance-verge-conquering-major-syrian-city/

Posted by: dh | Jan 18, 2017 8:37:04 PM | 179

@176 I'm no longer amazed james. As long as ISIS makes life difficult for Assad and the SAA they will be given a free rein.

Posted by: dh | Jan 18, 2017 8:43:30 PM | 180

@178 I think this is the link you were looking for...

http://tinyurl.com/hxowt5c

Posted by: dh | Jan 18, 2017 9:00:01 PM | 181

Thanks, dh. I posted three different corrections to my post after seeing jfl@178 and none of them showed up. (I wasn't ignoring you jfl - honest!) Are posts with a link directly to TheDuran site blocked here for some reason? What's up with that?

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 18, 2017 9:26:18 PM | 182

Paveway
I use several different browsers because some of them do not allow sources I want to read. Good luck.

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 18, 2017 9:42:19 PM | 183

mauisurfer@182 - This isn't a browser issue, mauisurfer. Apparently, if you post anything with a direct link to TheDuran here, your comment does not appear - try it. dh's tinyurl or any link shortener will get thorugh. I don't know if blocked comments with those links sit in a moderation bin for b's approval or just get trashed. In either case, it seems an unlikely site to filter. Either b doesn't know this is happening, or knows it and has his reasons for filtering links to it. Kind of ironic since Zuesse's article cites this MoA article in his text.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 18, 2017 10:03:32 PM | 184

@181 pw

i have it now ... i thought you intended to link ... what you actually did link. searching on the link title/headline - US-ISIS alliance on verge of conquering major Syrian city - led me - one extra click - to the duran article by eric z. now i will read it. i will be amazed if he has anything to add to your posts on the subject.

the name of the article is almost always sufficient to get to it. the actual url is not required, in my experience at any rate.

i don't follow mitm 'shortened' links, thanks anyway dh.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 18, 2017 10:08:57 PM | 185

This thread may as well stop now. What Obama has done just now in Syria is almost comparable to the Libya debacle.

Just makes me want to throw up.

The only question left is how the US military and intel personel can stomach what they have been commanded to do.

Okay, I gotta puke now.

Posted by: blues | Jan 18, 2017 10:10:27 PM | 186

@183. Yes I had the same problem posting that duran link. Tinyurl worked.

Posted by: dh | Jan 18, 2017 10:21:07 PM | 187

jfl@177 - Re: Turkey - WarIsBoring just put this out:

The United States and Turkey Can’t Agree on Iraq and Syria

Nothing terribly new, but fleshes out Turkey's schizophrenic approach to Syria in general. Every time they do something I have to scratch my head and wonder what the hell they're thinking this time and how everyone will react. They're like the armed, drunk crazy guy that periodically wanders into the bar either laughing, crying or screaming at the top of his lungs. You don't know whether to run and hide this time, ignore him, try to calm him down or just break a damn chair over his head - none of which will change the fact that he will return in an hour in some other random unhinged state.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 18, 2017 10:24:41 PM | 188

mauisurfer - Re: Tulsi Gabbard's secret trip to Syria - Priceless!

The D.C. machine would never let run, but I would actually go out and vote if she was running for president. Please do not have Hawaii secede from the U.S. before 2020. You can restore the Kingdom after President Gabbard is sworn in.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 18, 2017 10:46:55 PM | 189

Paveway 181 "Are posts with a link directly to TheDuran site blocked here for some reason?"

Seems that way. I tried a couple yesterday and neither appeared.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 18, 2017 11:04:12 PM | 190

@188 pw

that's what we need to do. delineate a platform we can support. identify persons we could send to ac/dc - the state house - the mayor's office - the congress - the parliament - the council to effect our platform. run our own primaries to determine municipal/statewide/national candidates who subscribe to our platform. vote 'em in.

requires organizing at the precinct level. that's where the actual voting takes place - paper ballots - primary and general.

forget the blue party/red party nonsense. go with our own platform(s) and candidate(s), written/chosen from among ourselves by ourselves.

radicle? yeah. the present worldwide takeover of government by the TNCs through their flunkies is radicle too. which radicle side are we on? that's a rhetorical question ... but not really: active or passive?

the only affirmative answer is the effective one - the one that brings about the change we all claim to want.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 18, 2017 11:13:00 PM | 191

@187 pw

read The United States and Turkey Can’t Agree on Iraq and Syria ... originally at a site called 'airwars.org', Turkey: rogue Coalition member, i'm surprised you didn't link that - just for its name :) yeah. turkey is rogue ... and russia seems to be tagging along. i guess they figure they can always drop erdogan at a later date. where have i heard that before? al cia, duh.

@168 'US-ISIS alliance on verge of conquering major Syrian city'

yes eric zuesse (not Dr Seuss) does give credit where credit is due - to b and moa - and that's good. and of course i agree with that part of 'his' analysis. but i don't believe that saudi arabia has been running the cia, which has been running barack obama. and i don't believe the saudis were the 'masterminds' behind 911 - that'd be some dark forces within the usa and mossad, in my view, although the saudis were probably used by both ... as they are being used by both again now.

so i've gotta stick with you and b when analysis of the Syrian situation comes up. although i do hear what i wanna hear from zuesse on dor ezor ... he's not willing to concede defeat to the us/daesh there. i'm not either. but fortunately or not, neither he nor i have a damn thing to do with it.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 18, 2017 11:54:28 PM | 192

utterly ridiculous to cite the disgraced, dishonest and addlepated Gareth Porter as authority for claiming that avowedly misdirected attack as intentional.


no honest person could ever rely on Porter, a known and confirmed liar and denier of the Cambodian genocide, and a fleshlight-like toady of Pol Pot.

Posted by: fuster | Jan 19, 2017 1:03:57 AM | 193

mauisurfer - Re: Tulsi Gabbard's secret trip to Syria - Priceless!

please share where and websites "Tulsi Gabbard's secret trip to Syria"?
Dunno why everyone having problems with TheDuran website? No problems here with Opera36, Yandex and Firefox.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 19, 2017 4:05:03 AM | 194

@PavewayIV


Sorrie forgot adress to PavewayIV

mauisurfer - Re: Tulsi Gabbard's secret trip to Syria - Priceless!

please share where and websites "Tulsi Gabbard's secret trip to Syria"?
Dunno why everyone having problems with TheDuran website? No problems here with Opera36, Yandex and Firefox.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 19, 2017 4:09:35 AM | 195

OJS@195 - The problem with TheDuran isn't getting to it by clicking on a link somewhere, it's actually posting the url for TheDuran (either literally or as an href= attribute) in a comment here. If you do that in a new reply and hit 'Post', your comment will just disappear. Nobody should have any problem getting to the site otherwise - it's not a browser thing. It's just that if you take the time to write a long comment here and have a link to TheDuran anywhere in your post, it will make your post disappear without warning. Try it yourself. Post a comment with http://theduran(dot)com/ but use a period instead of the dot. It will never show up.

Re: Rep. Tulsi Gabbard's unexpected visit to Syria - it was first reported in FP. There's a one-time trial on FP, otherwise a paywall. I archived the page here if you can't get to through to it using the first link.

It's on surprisingly few MSM sites and only given the briefest mention with little detail. Hopefully she will give some king of interview or publish something about her findings, but hasn't yet (that I know of). Just doing a search on Tulsi Gabbard Syria trip brings up little else besides a rehash of the FP details.

In related news, John McCain had a stroke when he heard the news about Gabbard. Fortunately, he's a vampire so he can't die. He drank some infant blood and was good as new. I understand he's arranging to have Gabbard whacked for her defiance of the neocon dark lords.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 19, 2017 5:11:12 AM | 196

@ Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 19, 2017 5:11:12 AM | 197

With utmost respect and courtesy and Nil untoward intent, to one as a poster, please ... do not suggest such ...

Assumption: The *** META *** update by, b, a disgruntled Bar host/Patron/Moderator may not possibly have been noticed/read yet ? Yes ?

Kindest regards,

Peace.Salaam.Shalom.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 19, 2017 5:24:48 AM | 197

hey b,

i think there's a gnat in here.

Posted by: john | Jan 19, 2017 5:38:10 AM | 198

If these claims of reinforcement by helicopter are true, it would mean someone snuck a mi-26 under his shirt.
Hezbollah hints at plans to fight for every intersection in the following.

http://english.aawsat.com/2017/01/article55365839/hezbollah-russia-raise-alertness-deir-al-zor

Isis is bringing in heavy reinforcements to make up for losses.

http://en.alalam.ir/news/1913305

Posted by: Wwinsti | Jan 19, 2017 6:50:37 AM | 199

French radio as reporting of a video with Daesh killing some militia guys by crushing them under tanks.

From daeshdaily:

Battles in Deir Ez-Zor and surroundings intensified as government forces attempt to recapture areas taken by Daesh in the past few days. SOHR reported ten civilians killed in the crossfire. The fighting extended from the airport perimeter into the city itself, where Daesh set tires on fire to obstruct aerial support by Syrian and Russian planes. Daesh captured a power station from government forces after a 34 hour battle, local sources say, using at least two vehicle bombs to attack government forces.

Russian and Syrian airstrikes on Daesh held parts of the city left several civilians dead. Daesh is pressing to gain control of the military airport, mainly from the northwestern side. Daesh says the government is recruiting young under age men by calling them tribal fighters to fight for it in the area. The Syrian government says it sent reinforcements to the city’s airport, and attacked several areas south of Deir Ez-Zor, killing and wounding over 15 militants.

The SOHR says that total casualties from battles and accompanying bombardment by both side is 160 in the past 5 days, including 75 from Daesh. [Hawar] [Qasioun][Qasioun][Qasioun][EnabBaladi] [ZamanAlWasl] [SyriaNow] [SyriaNow] [SyriaHR]

Daesh says it captured a Syrian Army hospital on the Deir Ez-Zor Mountain north of the military airport. [A3maq]

Daesh issues a video of the hospital and other military positions it captured. [A3maq]

Daesh says one of its Syrian suicide terrorists attacked Syrian forces with a vehicle bomb near the Electricity Company in the Deir Ez-Zor Mountain area, killing or wounding many soldiers. Daesh says one of its men then killed the survivors and captured the company and the surrounding area. Daesh says 15 soldiers were killed and several wounded in the attack. [Top4Top]

Daesh publishes photos of the attack. [JustPaste]


Activists report that Daesh hung the heads of dead Syrian soldiers on poles in Mayadin city. The soldiers were killed in recent battles, still continuing, in and around Deir Ez-Zor. Russian and Syrian planes attacked the city in retaliation, forcing civilians to flee to the countryside. [ARA] [SyriaHR]

Posted by: Mina | Jan 19, 2017 7:09:03 AM | 200

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