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December 26, 2016

Open Thread 2016-44

(While I am still in family holiday mode ...)

News & views ...

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paul@60:

"I've seen an argument that Rump is stacking his administration with crazed zionists as a way of calling Israel's bluff. Well that's how Putin operates (if you assume he's not just being a total cynic and playing for a piece of the pie), so perhaps Trump has picked this idea from him. Not sure I believe it."

That makes no sense. (The obvious answer is that Putin too is fake geopolitical opposition.)

Under what circumstances does putting adversary agents (the stacked zionists) is "calling" the Zionist bluff? How does having known agents sit in critical cabinet seats, privy to council, privy to operations, privy to discussions, privy to inner sanctum, call your enemies bluff?

Double quick return to the planet Earth and embrace straight forward reason, Paul.

Posted by: nobody | Dec 27, 2016 11:25:57 AM | 101

"Calling their bluff": https://www.rt.com/news/371940-kremlin-welcomes-kissinger-trump/

Posted by: nobody | Dec 27, 2016 11:32:30 AM | 102

Posted by: jfl | Dec 27, 2016 7:29:06 AM | 93

It has been all over the media quoting the Iranian Defense minister. There is no difference between Western and Russian sources so here RT as an example

He said that "enemies may want to impose a war on us based on false calculations and only taking into consideration their material capabilities."

If such a war were to occur, it "would mean the destruction of the Zionist regime [Israel]...and will engulf the whole region and could lead to a world war," Dehghan said.

...

However, Dehghan admitted it seems unlikely that Trump would take "strong action" against Iran, considering his "character and that he measures the cost of everything in dollars."

Posted by: somebody | Dec 27, 2016 11:42:27 AM | 103

Actually, Western media has a slightly different translation, the substance however remains.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 27, 2016 11:46:50 AM | 104

96

[Mirror] 27 DEC - India's PM Modi has announced a military deal with the UK Defense Ministry, after final testing of India's 5000km range nuclear missile, Agni-V. UK's Lord Penumbraton of the Defense Procurement Council, confirmed tentative purchase of 100 of the Agni-V,s at an estimated cost of £850 million.

"DPC finds Agni-V, at £8.5 million, to be one-tenth (the price of) America's cost-blowout Peacekeepers. Agni-V has a 5000km range more than sufficient for NATO exercises next summer. And these low-cost systems can be remotely-launched from Hyderabad without redeploying or retraining our operations forces, or breaking the Jane's overnight news cycle."

PM Modi celebrated the sale announcement by dumping a further $5 billion of India's citizens' 24k gold jewelry onto COMEX, gold that the world leader has been trading for fiat script 'bonds', then busily melting down into ingots, in return for gunny sacks full of British pound sterling and clear title to a former baroness' chateau outside of Canterbury, an estate Mr. Modi has re-christened 'Cleavingdoor', and hopes to turn into a Harry Potter destination theme park for India's self-entitled on holiday.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 27, 2016 11:51:30 AM | 105

@Circe

Philip Giraldi has just published an article sharing your trepidation in regard to the impact of the Trump/Zionist confluence on the USA and the Middle East.

Welcome to Greater Israel! - Philip Giraldi
The tail will be wagging the dog under Donald Trump
http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/

The New Year and the arrival of an administration with fresh ideas would provide a great opportunity for the United States to finally distance itself from a toxic Israel, but, unfortunately, it seems that everything is actually moving in the opposite direction. … it is beginning to look a lot like same-old same-old but even worse, and Benjamin Netanyahu will be very much in the driver’s seat.


The Trump/Zionist confluence will simply be an intensification of the already existing zionization of America. As Giraldi puts it: “same-old same-old but even worse”. Congress is already sacrificing its sacred First Amendment to accommodate Jewish interests. From a previous Giraldi article:

…the Senate unanimously passed an Anti-Semitism Awareness bill and also by a 99 to zero vote renewed and strengthened sanctions against Iran, which could wreck the one year old anti-nuclear weapon proliferation agreement with that country.

snip

The Anti-Semitism bill makes Jews and Jewish interests a legally protected class, immune from any criticism. “Free speech” means in practice that you can burn an American flag, sell pornography, attack Christianity in the vilest terms or castigate the government in Washington all you want but criticizing Israel is off limits if you want to avoid falling into the clutches of the legal system. The Act is a major step forward in effectively making any expressed opposition to Israeli actions a hate crime and is similar to punitive legislation that has been enacted in twenty-two states as well as in Canada. …

As the Act is clearly intended to restrict First Amendment rights if they are perceived as impacting on broadly defined Jewish sensitivities, it should be opposed on that basis alone, but it is very popular in Congress, which is de facto owned by the Israel Lobby. That the legislation is not being condemned or even discussed in the generally liberal media tells you everything you need to know about the amazing power of one particular unelected and unaccountable lobby in the U.S.

Sort of brings to mind George Orwell — 'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'

Posted by: pantaraxia | Dec 27, 2016 12:03:13 PM | 106

96

Amy Schumer has posted a celebratory poster on her FB, congratulating PM Modi on the Agni-V missile deal, asking whether he has any spare 24k gold jewelry that hasn't been melted down, with the offer, "I'd be glad to meet with Prime Minister Modi to discuss acting as his procurer for Hollywood extras to staff Cleavingdoor during the fabulous holiday festivus."

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 27, 2016 12:06:43 PM | 107

@94 Adalbrand

FYI, I'm Christian; and you as a Zionist(i.e. you seem a little too bothered by my factual description of Zionism) are surely disappointed that not all Christians grovel at the Zionist altar.

Zionism is the most dangerous fascist ideology since Nazism, is rabidly Islamophobic and intentionally provokes Muslim blowback against the West, is responsible for multiple war crimes, is fueling a genocide against Muslims and a crime against humanity in regards to Palestinians (including war crimes against them).

The rest of your post is pure laughable historical fiction and was corrected by another here.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 12:18:51 PM | 108

Dang ! How stupid can the 'ordinary' so proud to call themselves 'americans' dont get it that the system doesn't care for them.'Not fake' news has been perfected to destroy and rape nations and unsuspecting peeps all over the world,now it is coming home to roost and the ordinary Americans should just learn to suck it up honorably put up with the consequences of the coming totalitarian rule.

Posted by: Nur Adlina | Dec 27, 2016 12:20:33 PM | 109

@ Stevens | Dec 27, 2016 6:12:25 AM | 92

[.] The epic and glorious meltdown of the Hilary supporters will be nothing in comparison when the hardcore Trump supporters finally breakdown and admit they put a foaming at the mouth Zionist in the Oval Office and their tax money is going to be flooding into the Israeli regime's state sponsored terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

Also @
pantaraxia | Dec 27, 2016 12:03:13 PM | 104

You are on point. My thoughts are mirrored. The formerly “oppressed” Khazarians have become the oppressors with impunity.

Trump adds two more post-election appointments of advisors from the same old bin of Neo/s:

The Henry “in every WH since the dawn of time Kissinger” to advise
https://www.rt.com/news/371940-kremlin-welcomes-kissinger-trump/

Bossert from the GWB 9/11 team for Counter-terrorism and Cyber-security.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-27/trump-picks-tom-bossert-former-bush-aide-counterrerrorism-cybersecurity-advisor

[.] Bossert will focus on protecting the country from counterterrorism threats while retired Gen. Michael Flynn, the incoming National Security Advisor, will focus on "international security challenges."

"Tom brings enormous depth and breadth of knowledge and experience to protecting the homeland to our senior White House team,” Trump said in the statement.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Well, as a businessman, Trump did a feasibility to determine what are the burning issues riling Main Street. And he tapped in, said what he had to win by a landslide so HRC could not steal the WH.

Americans have been snowed. The world, especially the Palestinians, will suffer the outcome. Trump’s 100 days will be a tell.
Not hopeful for change of direction.

IMO, here is Trump's policy in fulsome -
Allow the expansion of Greater Israel. Israel is America. America First.


Posted by: likklemore | Dec 27, 2016 12:24:17 PM | 110

104

So make fun of Hindus! Despite 1,000,000's of them pouring over the USArya borders by the 747-load, even forcing USAryans to train them as their replacements before getting pink-slipped, Hindus remain completely out of the news and any public dialog. 98% of new high-tech jobs in USArya go to Hindus who are flown in every day, and 56% of existing high-tech American workers are being forced to train a Hindu to replace them.

Not one word in the press, other than this little snippet: "A Silicon Valley employer was cited today for paying their Hindu temporary workers $1.89 an hour. The employer stated 'they did not know' they were required to pay US minimum wages to temporary workers. This is the fifth time the employer has been cited."

'Race, religion or creed' does not protect the title (India)n, from an (India)n State that will be forcing 10,000,000s of expatriate business people and high-tech workers to flee to US and EU as economic (tax) refugees, using their British Commonwealth passports.

Not all of them will be able to find jobs at Cleavingdoor, ...next they'll come after yours!

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 27, 2016 12:29:04 PM | 111

@pantaraxia #104:

“Free speech” means in practice that you can burn an American flag, sell pornography, attack Christianity in the vilest terms or castigate the government in Washington all you want but criticizing Israel is off limits if you want to avoid falling into the clutches of the legal system. The Act is a major step forward in effectively making any expressed opposition to Israeli actions a hate crime and is similar to punitive legislation that has been enacted in twenty-two states as well as in Canada.

The US has a First Amendment, unlike Canada and European countries. Hopefully this act will be submitted to judicial review.

Welcome to Greater Israel! - Philip Giraldi
The tail will be wagging the dog under Donald Trump

Here is a different perspective from Unz, by Israil Shamir:

Trump Sets the Cat Among the Jewish Pigeons

For many years, liberal Israelis perpetrated a hoax (yes, I’ve said, hoax) of “struggling against occupation” and wishing to divide historical Palestine into two states, a Jewish state and a Palestinian state. Israeli officials negotiated for years and years with the US, with the quartet, with PA, and gave absolutely nothing in return for the time they gained. Millions of dollars, of European and American tax-payers were poured into soft life of these negotiators. How could the Israelis achieve this glorious (for them) result? Thanks to liberal progressive Israelis. Without liberal Israelis complicity, Jewish moderate nationalists of Bibi Netanyahu wouldn’t be able to slowly and at peace devour and digest Palestine piece by piece. …

If the Jews will annex Palestine, their long systematic fraud of “occupation” and “struggle against occupation” will be over. They will give Palestinians equal rights, including the right to vote for Knesset, and then there will be power-sharing, and other fruits of democracy. If they won’t give Palestinians equal rights, there will be something simple and clear to struggle for, namely for equal rights and against vestiges of apartheid.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 27, 2016 12:33:58 PM | 112

@86 somebody quote - "An empire has to be able to grant peace. If they can't that is the end of empire."

thanks somebody.. i like that.. seems like we are about there now..

@104 pantaraxia.. thanks. - quote from a quote from you link "The Act is a major step forward in effectively making any expressed opposition to Israeli actions a hate crime and is similar to punitive legislation that has been enacted in twenty-two states as well as in Canada." our zealous zionist canadian pm sycophant stephen harper was largely responsible for that as i understand it.. another born again wacked out religious nut case who knew where and how to curry favour, but did nothing honourable for canada - this act being another example of the level of his corruption.. good two shoes trudeau junior will probably not change this either.. mediocrity reigns supreme in the political class here in canada..

Posted by: james | Dec 27, 2016 12:34:14 PM | 113

@89

Where have you been the last 8 years...? Barry'O already won that race. While you've been sleeping US civil liberties have been gutted, journalism is a crime, Facebook is the NSA and it's legal to assassinate without trial via drone on foreign soil. Wakey wakey, Fascism is already here.

FYI Zionist fascism started to infiltrate before Obama when American Zionist Neocons redacted Clean Break and turned it into PNAC; imperialism based on Zionist ideology.

9/11 as Netanyahu stated was good for Israel, ie Zionism, and that's because it paved the way for the Zionization of America.

The Bush Administration infected with ZionistNeocons started the gutting of civil liberties with the Patriot Act and other tools of fascism; Zionist goebbel hasbara and war propaganda, fabricated intelligence, profiling, torture etc.; Obama just continued the process, although less to the liking of Zionists, and Trump will finish the job to the satisfaction of his Zionist masters, Netanyahu being one.

The only individuals needing a wake-up call are those who still fantasize Trump is different or better. He will be the worst of all.

One more thing: I suggest you see your gastroenterologist; the problem is with you.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 12:49:38 PM | 114

Correction @89 MadMax wrote this:

Where have you been the last 8 years...? Barry'O already won that race. While you've been sleeping US civil liberties have been gutted, journalism is a crime, Facebook is the NSA and it's legal to assassinate without trial via drone on foreign soil. Wakey wakey, Fascism is already here.

The rest of the blocked commentary is my reply.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 12:52:12 PM | 115

@Circe #106:

FYI, I'm Christian…

Zionism is the most dangerous fascist ideology since Nazism, is rabidly Islamophobic

Christianity is "Islamphobic" by definition. From a Christian point of view, Islam is a fake, fraudulent religion. One would expect a Christian to heed the warning

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. (Mt 7:15–16 NRSV)
Islam is nothing more than a Christian heresy, and so should be tolerated by orthodox Christians no more than other Christian heresies are, such as Mormonism or dispensationalism.

The main problem with Trump that I find from a Christian point of view is that he is tolerant of his children converting to Judaism. You can't be an authentic Christian and tolerate that, since converting from Christianity to another "Abrahamic" religion constitutes the rejection of Christ, which, according to Christian doctrine, is the one act you can do that we know keeps you from being saved.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 27, 2016 12:57:30 PM | 116

Islam is nothing more than a Christian heresy,
I know you have this bizarre obsession, you've said it before, but it really isn't a Christian heresy. If anything, Islam is more a heresy of Judaism, with which it shares a good number of features.

Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 27, 2016 1:21:27 PM | 117

@114

Oh please! Go preach to the choir; You removed all doubt with that post. You prove why the U.S. is so lost.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 1:28:54 PM | 118

''Saved by Jesus Christ''....dang that takes the cake!...nature created mankind but mankind created 'god'...in india they have thousands..but each village get along with the other.,but stupid Christians and more stupider muslims are fighting over the key to the stairway to havens:-)

Posted by: Nur Adlina | Dec 27, 2016 1:29:43 PM | 119

@Laguerre #115:

If anything, Islam is more a heresy of Judaism, with which it shares a good number of features.

Yes, Islam and Judaism have a lot more in common with each other than either has with Christianity. They are orthopraxic, about following the law, whereas Christianity is concerned with orthodoxy, correct belief. Judaism and Christianity have dietary laws and ritual male genital mutilation whereas Christianity abandoned all that madness.

But according to Islam, Jesus is a unique human being, because he never died. That claim alone makes Islam a Christian, and not a Judaic, heresy.

I know you have this bizarre obsession

All I'm doing is reminding people of what Christian belief is, because devout Christians, other than evangelicals, are reluctant to do it themselves. I'm not inhibited to do so, because I can see Christianity from the outside, since I'm pretty heterodox.

The only cure for bad religion is good religion. Reason does not work. We tried replacing religion with reason, and that attempt failed. What has replaced Christianity in the West – liberalism, multiculturalism, and political correctness – is just a new religion pretending to be a political ideology.

And yes, it is relevant to say these things on this blog, because one reason liberals and Democrats hate Russia is that Russia has not rejected Christianity. Also, from Twitter, I know that I am not the only lifelong Democrat who voted for Trump largely because the Democrats have become Christian haters and Islamophiles.

@Nur Adlina #117:

in india they have thousands..but each village get along with the other

I do not see Hinduism as being in competition with Christianity. I would have no problem with a Christian converting to Hinduism. Hinduism says nothing about Jesus, whereas Islam is all about denying that he is God.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 27, 2016 1:46:36 PM | 120

A little comedy for your Tuesday. The new york times reviews a book about propaganda and uses the first paragraph to talk about how Russia hacked the election and Fake News.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/26/books/how-propaganda-works-is-a-timely-reminder-for-a-post-truth-age.html

Posted by: Cresty | Dec 27, 2016 1:55:59 PM | 121

'Jesus is god'...your obsession is showing as you have convinced yourself that you would be 'saved' that way!We dont need islam or Christianity to be love one another the answer to bad religion is NO religions at all.Religions were created by the erudite to rule over 'believing' sheep!Its a propaganda of 2000 years that has immersed humanity in sorrow.weep all you want for Jesus or Mohamed but leave me behind:-)

Posted by: Nur Adlina | Dec 27, 2016 1:58:49 PM | 122

Apologies if this is old news but I just heard that NATO Auditor General, Yves Chandelon, was found dead under suspicious circumstances in Belgium on December 23.

Posted by: spudski | Dec 27, 2016 2:04:32 PM | 123

Laguerre
really, you did not notice it also shares many Christian features?

Posted by: Mina | Dec 27, 2016 2:05:22 PM | 124

really, you did not notice it also shares many Christian features?
Yes, of course, but not a lot. I don't know why, but the Judaic influence in the law was much more significant.

Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 27, 2016 2:13:36 PM | 125

| @ MadMax2 | Dec 27, 2016 9:00:40 AM | 95

Thanks for the reply. Top of the seasons wishes to you as well.
Social Darwinists, aka authoritarian reactionaries can be identified as the motivating entity behind the takeover and evisceration of government, the legal system, and capture of institutions controlling and regulating the economy. Educational and academic institutions have been sodomised with a neocon catechism. Separation of church and state is no longer, marking the confounding of belief with reason.
A noticeable pattern has emerged. The quasi-religeous beliefs of the John Birch Society have produced Libertarianism. Historic economic liberalism results in neoliberalism. Keynesianism has been discredited completely leaving only the Chicago School of Economic Phrenology intact. F.D. Roosevelt's brain trusts became thunk tanks. Intellectual academia became processing mills for MBA's and so forth to supply compliant bodies for middle management. Everything that the New Deal developed has been made into some distorted image of the original effective organisation and the social memory of the original has been erased from the historical records. The level pitches provided by government enabling labour to flourish in relations with management have been turned into prisons to warehouse unneeded and excess labourers making them unfit for any future being. Those who control massive capital have usurped total social control, their grip is tightening into a police state at ever increasing rates, evidenced by the militaristic robo-cop. The borders of the country have been turned into prison walls already, getting in is difficult, getting out may become impossible, that is yet to be seen. It is a silly and ignorant notion that 'private finance' has had any but a very minor rôle to play in this reversal of the New Deal. I seriously doubt the mantra 'private finance' will ever change; keep repeating it enough times and it supplants any facts and controls the disabled minds listening to its Siren enchantments. The system no longer has the capacity to self correct; the lever, the fulcrum and the place to stand have been forgotten, their use not understood and the tools abandoned. Truly interesting times these, and promising to be quite dark as well.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 27, 2016 2:37:14 PM | 126

You will not find one single instance of disagreement in the Gospels and The Quran. Both books even use identical words to compare Jesus to Adam.

To think that Islam is about the "Law" requires that one has first drank the poisoned kool-aid of Saul the Pharisee. Islam is in fact anti-Paulian.

Islam is against all lies, all falsehoods.

Jesus Christ was an ascetic of first order. Jesus Christ is on the record as saying he will not drink wine again until he returns. It is written in the Hadith of Jesus's last supper. :)

Jesus Christ's true followers, the Church of Jerusalem, were communal. They had disavowed earthly possessions and in the Acts you can read about that couple that tried to hold back some monies that they had promised to the community. Dead on the spot by The Holy Spirit no less.

Muhammad's mission was to correct and rectify. To the set the record straight. He did so in an examplary fashion.

The Quran -- it means "Lecture" in Arabic -- addresses corrections to all religions. It completely disavows any religion that does not have front and center the surrender of Ego to the One.

The ritual prayer of Islam, mistaken as "Law" obsessiveness by "hetrodox", is designed to engender the mindset -- the heart if you will -- that can live up to the "Love God with all your heart, and all your mind, and love your neighbor as you love your self". It is an internal process and regrettably not available for facile "display" for others. It is intimate. Love, if you will. :)

Posted by: nobody | Dec 27, 2016 2:42:28 PM | 127

I hope other Christians here don't dismiss Ziofascism because they want Jews to flock to Israel so the Messiah can return. This is pure Hagee rubbish and a false interpretation of Christian scripture designed to enable Zionism, just as Jewish entitlement is also false interpretation of scripture to justify Ziofascism.

And one more thing; Jesus as a divine extension of God is heresy to Jews, and I was under the impression that Islam considers Jesus a good prophet sent from Allah at least that's what a Muslim friend once told me. He said the Koran is respectful of Jesus. I just looked it up:

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

So Adalbrand is using deception to justify Islamophobia by pretending that Christ is heresy to Muslims.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 2:42:44 PM | 128

Laguerre @ 123:

If you were to know something of the history of Islam, you would not really be surprised that it shares features with both Judaism and Christianity (and Zoroastrianism too). There were members of the Prophet Mohammad's family who were Christians so he would have been familiar with Christian beliefs and stories about Jesus. The 19th chapter of the Qu'ran is named after Jesus' mother.

When Islam began to spread after the Prophet's death, it was taken into places that were the traditional heartlands of Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Contrary to most popular opinion in the West about how Islam spread, the people who came under the rule of the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates were not generally forced to convert to Islam: Muslim rulers depended on their non-Muslim subjects to pay jizyah taxes which brought in a lot of money so having most of their subjects convert to Islam was not in the rulers' interest. Egypt is said to have become a Muslim-majority country after 600 or 700 years of Muslim rule: quite a surprise when one considers that converting to Islam mainly requires acknowledging the oneness of God and the Prophet Mohammad as the last of God's prophets.

People in the historic Islamic empires converted to Islam if they couldn't pay the jizyah taxes and sometimes entire communities converted if times were really bad (because of prolonged economic depression which was not unusual during the 17th and 18th centuries for Muslim empires in the Middle East / North Africa region). Any pre-Islamic beliefs (Christian, Jewish, even pagan) went along with the converts and became part of Islam. Hence, the Christian and Jewish influences and outlooks that appear in Islam.

Also in the areas where Islam spread, Judaism and Christianity competed for influence and converts during Roman imperial rule. While Judaism these days is not a proselytising religion, it was a very different creature 2,000 years ago.

We have to be very careful about assuming that because Islam, Judaism and Christianity are what they are today, that they must have been the same hundreds of years ago, or even 100 years ago. Islam without the baleful influence of Saudi Wahhabism (which has now spread across the world and infiltrated most Muslim communities), aided and abetted by Western governments over decades, must have been a completely different religion 100 years ago before oil was discovered in the Arabian Peninsula.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 27, 2016 3:05:48 PM | 129

@nobody #127:

You will not find one single instance of disagreement in the Gospels and The Quran.

This is insanity and hate speech directed at Christians.

Then Jesus chried again with a loud voice and breathed his last. (Mt 27:50 NRSV)

Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father into your hands I commend my spirit." Having said this, he breathed his last. When the centurion saw what had taken place, he praised God and sai, "Certainly this man was innocent". (Lk 23:46–48)


But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. (Quran 4:156-159)


@Circe #128:

I hope other Christians here don't dismiss Ziofascism because they want Jews to flock to Israel so the Messiah can return. This is pure Hagee rubbish and a false interpretation of Christian scripture designed to enable Zionism

That I can agree with. This fascination with the Jewish tribe seems to be an Anglo-Saxon predilection. I even read somewhere that the English invented Zionism, not the Jews. (But I don't remember where because I am not obsessed with Zionism.)

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 27, 2016 3:52:50 PM | 130

@Jen #129:

We have to be very careful about assuming that because Islam, Judaism and Christianity are what they are today, that they must have been the same hundreds of years ago, or even 100 years ago. Islam without the baleful influence of Saudi Wahhabism (which has now spread across the world and infiltrated most Muslim communities), aided and abetted by Western governments over decades, must have been a completely different religion 100 years ago before oil was discovered in the Arabian Peninsula.

I would say that Christianity as it is today is not significantly different from what it was after the Council of Nicea. Lutherans and Russian Orthodox may have some disagreements, but I personally do not find them to be significant. There have certainly been new movements in Christianity since the early church, but I see them as existing in a continuum of heresies or at least deviations, abandoning the sacraments, the liturgy, etc.

Maybe Islam was "a completely different religion 100 years ago before oil was discovered in the Arabian Peninsula", but this was already true in 1530:

Your Imperial Majesty has summoned a meeting of the Empire here in Augsburg to consider taking action against the Turk, discussing how best to stand effectively against his fury and attacks by means of military force. The Turk is the most atrocious and ancient hereditary enemy of the Christian name and religion. (Preface to the Augsburg Confession)
"The Turk" is how Germans used to refer to Muslims.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 27, 2016 4:17:47 PM | 131

@130

This fascination with the Jewish tribe seems to be an Anglo-Saxon predilection. I even read somewhere that the English invented Zionism, not the Jews. (But I don't remember where because I am not obsessed with Zionism.)

First of all, don't try to lay Zionism on anyone else and spin deception with this as well. Maybe you're confusing Rothschild with all Anglo-Saxons.

Secondly, you really want to ignore Zionism altogether; never mind not being obsessed. Gee, I wonder why?

Zionism is responsible for the fabrication of intelligence leading to war and a succession of wars in the Middle East. Zionism is fueling a Muslim genocide; maybe you're okay with that given your obvious hatred of Islam.

Zionism is destroying American democracy infecting the entire political system and the media; and spreading its fascism, but that's not a concern for you; your fixation is with Muslims.

If you're not a Zionist; you're definitely an enabler.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 4:52:46 PM | 132

@Circe #132:

Zionism is responsible for the fabrication of intelligence leading to war and a succession of wars in the Middle East. Zionism is fueling a Muslim genocide; maybe you're okay with that given your obvious hatred of Islam.

Zionism is destroying American democracy infecting the entire political system and the media; and spreading its fascism, but that's not a concern for you; your fixation is with Muslims.

If you're not a Zionist; you're definitely an enabler.

I would say that all the points you make there are reasonable. In my defense, I have to say that I am against Western wars on Muslim countries. And I am appalled by Obama's drone strikes on Muslims.

Since you are trying to explicate your concern with Zionism, I will try to clarify my stance on Islam. I really do take what seems to have emerged as the mainstream/official Russian view on this: how multiculturalism works is by having different societies/nations with different cultures. NOT by having a given society have different, conflicting cultures.

I am perfectly fine with Iran, and don't think that the US should see it as any more of a threat than Russia, even though I guess I would be seen as a Russian nationalist given the views I express here.

But if a Muslim is in a Western country, I simply cannot relate to him or her. Given my Christian beliefs (and to repeat, I am pretty heterodox; I am interested in the problem of how rational one can make Christian belief, and I think Luther solved that problem), to me being Muslim means rejecting life. That might not be the case for Muslims living in Iran or Turkey, but it is the case for Muslims living in France or Germany.

A final comment in my defense. Yesterday, on Twitter, there was a falling out between Trump supporters over whether the Jewish influence on the US is a problem. Specifically, @BakedAlaska said in a Periscope video that the "cucks" that have banned him from a Trump event ignore the fact that Jews have worked to increase immigration to the US in order to make Europeans a minority. I sided with @BakedAlaska.

Of course, given your blind Islamophilia, you might think I took the wrong side.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 27, 2016 5:20:30 PM | 133

@133

All that to evade addressing Zionism. Ugh! I'm more than convinced you're a Zionist.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 5:30:04 PM | 134

I take it the claim in 105 that the UK is purchasing Indian ICBMs was intended as satire not fake news. There has been no report I can see infringers.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Dec 27, 2016 5:55:26 PM | 135

The law is much later than the text, and versatile, as can be witnessed until today.
But the Koran is close to important Christian trends of the 4th-6th c. check that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docetism
Also the Muslim tradition is rather pro-Christian when it comes to the fate of Dhu Nuwas, a Yemenite Jewish king who had supposedly slaughtered the Martyrs of Najran.

Posted by: Mina | Dec 27, 2016 6:00:18 PM | 136

@103 somebody,

your assertion @91. 'Iran has already threatened they will destroy Israel and spark a third world war if the Iran nuclear deal is trashed.'

says that Iran is threatening aggression against Israel and thus may initiate WW III.

your link @103, has Iranian Defence Minister Hossein Dehghan saying


"enemies may want to impose a war on us based on false calculations and only taking into consideration their material capabilities."

[that] ..."would mean the destruction of the Zionist regime [Israel]...and will engulf the whole region and could lead to a world war,"


says that threatened US aggression against Iran, if and when realized, would result in the destruction of Israel and, for example, states like Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain ...

your link @104,


“Enemies may want to impose a war on us based on false calculations and only taking into consideration their material capabilities…

“Such a war would mean the destruction of the Zionist regime (Israel) … and will engulf the whole region and could lead to a world war.”'


says the same thing.

you have Iran as the aggressor. Iran has USrael as the aggressor.

i see that as rather a stark difference.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 27, 2016 6:19:29 PM | 137

WAPO: December 27, 2016

Obama administration is close to announcing measures to punish Russia for election interference

link

The Obama administration is close to announcing a series of measures to punish Russia for its interference in the 2016 presidential election, including economic sanctions and diplomatic censure, according to U.S. officials.
The administration is still finalizing the details, which are also expected to include covert action that likely will involve cyber operations, the officials said. An announcement on the public elements of the response could come as early as this week.
The sanctions part of the package culminates weeks of debate in the White House about how to revise an executive order from last year meant to give the president authority to respond to cyberattacks from overseas, but which did not originally cover efforts to influence the electoral system.[.]

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

He He He He.

Will the sanctions include the RD180 and Proton rocket engines?

Clueless. Idiots.

Give it up.

Posted by: likklemore | Dec 27, 2016 6:30:12 PM | 138

@108 circe,


Zionism is the most dangerous fascist ideology since Nazism, is rabidly Islamophobic and intentionally provokes Muslim blowback against the West, is responsible for multiple war crimes, is fueling a genocide against Muslims and a crime against humanity in regards to Palestinians (including war crimes against them).

do you distinguish between xtian-american and jewish-israeli zionism? both see themselves as the exceptional country chosen by god to express his will on earth? and don't both predate nazism? didn't hitler, in fact, emulate the xtian-american genocide of the indigenous american population, just as the jewish-israelis are emulating same in their genocide of the palestinians, in his final solution for europe's jews?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 27, 2016 6:32:37 PM | 139

@126 ftb,

what a sensible post. nary a gratuitous insult. i suggest that you insert a bit more white space, your exposition deserves to be a bit more expansive on this roll of virtual paper. an extra carriage return is just one byte.

on 'private finance' ... i think the 'private' is redundant, and that the financialization of the world economy, as michael hudson points out, while it began as merely the tactic of the unboundedly greedy and ruthless for their exclusive enrichment, has since become the independent mechanism of the reduction and degradation of the planet and, if it were possible, of the universe.

Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, Part 2 - Imperialism, Chapter 5 - The Political Emancipation of the Bourgeoisie, p. 124


“EXPANSION IS everything,” said Cecil Rhodes, and fell into despair, for every night he saw overhead “these stars ... these vast worlds which we can never reach. I would annex the planets if I could.”[2]

[2] S. Gertrude Millin. Rhodes, London, 1933, p. 138.

the miracle of compound interest.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 27, 2016 7:17:22 PM | 140

@133 demian/adalbrand, '[the way] multiculturalism works is by having different societies/nations with different cultures. NOT by having a given society have different, conflicting cultures'

whenever you march in as the 'rational', separatist infidel explaining your constructs of others' 'irrational' religious beliefs the poisonous trail of your kultur kampf trails in behind you. multiculturalism works by simply living one's own culture and letting others live theirs. here on the moon we try to do so. your constant attempt is to sew discordance and strife. us and them, winners and losers, are all you seem able to imagine.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 27, 2016 7:43:12 PM | 141

Adalbrand @ 130:

Your use of the preface to the Augsburg Confession surely demonstrates the ways in which you selectively cite evidence to support your opinion that Islam cannot co-exist with Christianity and Judaism. The preface and the Augsburg Confession were written and proclaimed in 1530, at a time just after the Ottomans had tried (and failed) to conquer Vienna after incorporating Hungary into their empire. The preface itself was used as propaganda by the Holy Roman emperor to try to rally German Protestant princes to defend the Holy Roman empire against more incursions by the Ottomans.

You will have to do much better than selectively choosing "evidence", taken out of its proper context, to buttress your belief that the three Abrahamic religions are incompatible, against all other evidence that (until very recently) followers of these religions lived together peacefully in most countries across northern Africa, the Middle East and central Asia. It has only been since these areas came into contact with British and French colonial empires in the late 19th / early 20th centuries, and the divide-and-rule strategies these empires used to set Muslims, Christians and Jews against one another to maintain their hold over these regions, that sectarian religious politics came to the fore. In particular British support for the Saudis (and what that has meant for that family's Wahhabist Islam being able to spread throughout the world), and the cynical British attempt to maintain a foot-hold in the Middle East through the Balfour Declaration that gave Palestine to Zionist settlers, whom the British thought they could control, are among the major causes of instability in that region.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 27, 2016 7:48:06 PM | 142

@ 126 FTB
'..Educational and academic institutions have been sodomised..'

Sorry, yes. This is a big'un as well.

The indoctrination. For only when you have drowned the young minds in mainstream neoclassical economic dogma (which underpins our current western neoliberal funk) could a clown like Krugman be so revered.

Such indoctrination is the reason why popular blogs like Unlearning Economics became popular in describing it's 'purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.' Such a blog, is I feel, not aimed at those not yet versed in economic theory, but aimed squarely at those who have eaten mainstream neoclassical economic theory as if it were The Gospel. (Indeed, it is my opinion that perhaps economics today is bet self taught, simply start with economic history and follow where you heart is.)

Now, I'm no flagbearer for Austrian economics, but I do appreciated that they and other strains of economic thinking have been squeezed out of economic faculties across institutions the western hemisphere by this mainstream dogma thereby creating a lack of contrarian thought necessary for enabling 'self correction' as you say.

But no, we are faced with one faith based economic religion which continually creates formula and arguments to support itself. So, 'we know you have no way out Greece, but fuck you anyway.'

What gets me stirred up is how can a guy like Krugman (even Stiglitz) subscribe to economic theory that considers banks as merely an 'intermediary' between savers and borrowers...? Much like the unicorn, they consider banks as being a magical entity outside of their economic models that is not worth considering, when, in actual fact banks are a creator of money in the form of debt based loans.

Just... 'No, it couldn't be banks. Next.' The same brand of effortless superiority we see in a moderate headchopper fanboy like Ken Roth from HRW or any spokesperson from the out going state department.

The admission of flawed economic theory should have been made in 2009 when those like Keen and a dozen other academics who predicted a private debt based meltdown displayed how they arrived at their predictions.

When the west can get real and rid itself of shit-for-brains economic formula that appears designed to cause bubbles, and is honest about how money is created then maybe we can discuss capitalism.

While such a basic flaws are evident and as maddening as it is to watch, the longer the mainstream economists continue to attempt trick themselves and the rest of us, the worse the backlash against them will ultimately be.

@140 jfl
Anytime you link Hudson, I will read.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 27, 2016 9:14:01 PM | 143

@142 I would suggest it goes back to Saladin's victory at Hattin in 1187. Which is when Islam became dominant. Christians and Jews were tolerated and protected for a long time.

But the British were certainly hoodwinked by Balfour.

Posted by: dh | Dec 27, 2016 9:14:51 PM | 144

Anybody who cares to browse the Indian MSM would find Indians having an orgaism over the Agni5, just like they did over every single missile churned out by the MIC.
'This can reach Harbin !', they crow ecstatically.
They even dubbed it 'the China Killer' !
Can you imagine the hysteria on the western MSM had China done something similar ??

Fact is, every stage of Indian missile development from the Prithvi etc to this 'China killer' was tagged to the Chinese city it could vaporise.
Thus 'Prithvi could hit GUandong', 'Privthi 2 could take out Shanghai.....this 'China killer' can reach Harbin etc dtc.
Each time a new 'milestone' was reached the Indian media practically explode with cheering wankers celebrating another 'great achievement from dordo', the Indian counterpart to Darpa.

Some samples of their cyber wanking,
'This would make the Chinese piss in their pants' !
'This is a great deterrence to the Chinese bully' ! [sic]

Deterrence my ass !
Funny all natural predators call their weapons 'deterrence'!
murkka, Jp, Indian, birds of the same feathers.
Robbers crying robbery. !

I asked Dennis the USN spokesman when did China ever lift a finger to hurt the unitedsnake, or even scheme to do so ????
Well off hand I can list dozens of murkkan assaults on the Chinese.

I ask the same question to Indian readers here, when was the last time China attacked or even threatened India ?
Be warned , for every fake account you offer I'd shoot it down on the spot and show you dozens of Indian assaults on China, mostly in cahoot with their 'natural partners' the unitedsnake. !

Posted by: denk | Dec 27, 2016 9:36:41 PM | 145

@133 adalbrand...

i am having some difficulty with some of your views here too.. with regard to multiculturalism, i would be curious for you to offer some feedback on this 6 minute video on immigration that i posted back @59... let me know what you think.. i think this concept of multiculturalism is coming out of the same crazy mindset that is encouraging the madness demonstrated in this video.. as for religions getting along - not if one religion wants to destroy the others.. religion isn't the problem - it's those fanatics/extreme fundamentalists who get involved with religion that are.. that is for all the different religions to work out to the best of their ability.. hoping to cultivate a strand of fanaticism to take down another religion is what? there is nothing religious about it.

Posted by: james | Dec 27, 2016 9:57:58 PM | 146

In good ole murkkan tradition, every Sec of War 'retired' into a plum job in the MIC, like VP of Lockheed Martin, in recognition to their 'contribution' during their time in the Pentagon.

Well it gets better.
Our 'Great White Hoax' Trump's pick for Sec of War, James *mad dog* Mattis, happens to be on the Director Board of General Dynamics, the maker of the famed F15 !

hehehehe....

Posted by: denk | Dec 27, 2016 10:16:14 PM | 147

German intelligence agent drove alleged perpetrator in Christmas market attack to Berlin


At its upcoming congress at the start of January, the Bavarian-based Christian Social Union (CSU), part of the coalition government headed by its sister party, the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), plans to call for more personnel and better equipment for the security services, additional powers for law enforcement, more monitoring of emails and communications services such as Whatsapp and Skype, and increased data exchanges between the European Union countries.

This is despite the fact that the Berlin attack cannot be attributed to a lack of surveillance or police powers granted to the security and judicial authorities. On the contrary, the alleged perpetrator, Anis Amri, prepared his action literally under the eyes of the authorities. It has now emerged that the 24-year-old Tunisian was driven to Berlin by an undercover informant of the Intelligence Service (“Verfassungsschutz”), which closely monitored Amri for months before he drove a large truck into a crowd on December 19.

It is totally beyond belief that the failure to arrest Amri was an “accident,” or was due to a lack of legal authority to take him into custody. Even Heribert Prantl, a lawyer who heads the internal affairs department of the Süddeutsche Zeitung, presumed on Friday that Amri was intentionally left alone.

In fact, there are ample grounds to believe that sections of the state apparatus deliberately accepted the risk of such an attack in order to promote their own right-wing agenda. Fierce clashes have taken place in German ruling circles over refugee and security policy. Many regard Chancellor Angela Merkel as too soft to lead the government in times of major international and national tensions and mounting social conflicts. Under these circumstances, the attack is being used to intimidate the population and bring about a political change of course, possibly including a change of government.


What do you have to do to be charged with treason in Germany? Or France?

Driving terrorists to work and seeing to it that they are allowed to perform in the interests of your own political agenda seems not to qualify.

And your 'non-treasonous' treasonous act as accessory to terrorist murder is used to tighten the vise on ordinary Germans, to keep them discovering your further acts of treason, no doubt.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 28, 2016 4:46:38 AM | 148

| @ jfl | Dec 27, 2016 7:17:22 PM | 140

I will try leavening my comments with more white 'air' in future; the price doesn't sound expensive, only a byte of bandwidth. Those things get lost sight of when focusing on composition rather than formatting. Thanks.

Bye the bye, I do hope you are not confounding assertions with ad hominem, sometimes they might have the same coloration but are definitely not synonyms.

I think Michael Hudson's work can be found at the New Economic Perspective (NEP) along with Bill Black and others from the University of Missouri at Kansas City (UMKC) and their presentation of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). Hope that helps.

The use of 'private' in 'private finance' is directed to another familiar commentator here whose buckshot commentary hits not only his ill-defined, ill-considered target but a lot of adjacent economic structures vital to the economic process as well. Since engagement with this nom-de-blog is not possible, my use of the adjective remains for that purpose of identification. I refrain from any agreement on your allocation on motives assigned to those involved in financial undertakings; there is too much broad-brush for me to have any comfort with that ad hominem.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 28, 2016 7:29:55 AM | 149

@ MadMax2 | Dec 27, 2016 9:14:01 PM | 143

Again thanks for the reply. Yes, a serious case may be made about encouraging cultural Alzheimer's by destruction of memory and the consequential loss of personal identity. Substituting belief for fact, emotion for reason eliminates most intellectual ability to critically asses one's position. Eliminate intellectual understanding such as math, law, history, etc. and little remains to navigate the political wilderness behind which power and wealth are being purloined. Hardly a surprise there.

Once I observed Dr. Jeff Sachs needed to unlearn more than five times the information it took to put letters after his name before credibility could be assigned to anything he proposed. Recently I finished Joseph E. Stiglitz (Winner of the Nobel Prize) "the EURO, How a Common Currency Threatens the Future of Europe" (ISBN 978-0-393-25402-0) which shows how deeply neoliberal education dyes its students; even now Stiglitz's self-redirection towards heterodox economic outlooks are deeply coloured by his orthodoxy still. Your assignment of the Austrian School of Economics is mistaken. It was that school that the Chicago School of Economic Phrenology was founded; the Austrian School of Economics is foundational to the problems of neoliberalism, not even a hope of being a solution other than in negation. IIRC John Maynard Keynes had some correspondence with Ludwig von Mises when Mises was at London School of Economics but to no avail as the penny didn't drop for Mises about the economic dynamics JMK was describing in his General Theory.

Not only are banks but money itself is outside neoliberal economic models which are fantasy on the equal with Disney's 'Fantasia'. Sound theory stuff that. About the only recourse is to go into "Fahrenheit 451" mode and try to preserve as much original material as possible for the future and then trust (a lot) someone then will be exposed to those sound things that are our inheritance today. For sure, critical thinking monkeys are as threatened as are the Great Apes - silly monkeys.

In error I mentioned Michael Hudson's whereabouts in my #150 to jfl.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 28, 2016 8:26:10 AM | 150

Yet again Trump fellates the Zionist donkey; and hardly a criticism on the grovelling performance by Zionist puppet-elect showman Trump:

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.761818

"They used to have a great friend in the U.S., but....... not anymore. The beginning of the end was the horrible Iran deal, and now this (U.N.)! Stay strong Israel, January 20th is fast approaching!" Trump tweeted.

Ziocon shill!

Posted by: Circe | Dec 28, 2016 2:41:52 PM | 151

151

Can you say, Orange Jump Suit?

Bibi is having a mental breakdown, since his Likud Party only won by ~24%, and now the UN sanctions are going to cost all Israels a buncha New Silver Shekels! There is HUGE money behind this whole illegal-settlement money-laundering 'scheme'. You can bet Bibi will be dumped for laughing after the election, "I lied about supporting the 2SS, haww, haww, haww."
Maybe Netanyahu and Rodham can build a senior home for grifters on the West Bank, if the NYC Former Soviet Mob doesn't clot them out them first, like they did to Sharon and Breitbart.

"The boss would like to have a word with you..." Bayonet up the rectum time, Bibi!!

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 28, 2016 4:22:33 PM | 153

152

The phrase 'Shock and Awe' simply does not exist in the English or the American language prior to 2003. However, the Yiddish word 'Shekhinah' (the glory of the divine presence) is phonetically the same, and twists the knife in Saddam's back, as it serves to highlight how deeply, deeply compromised American government and media has become, since Israel started round-tripping its $3B a year tithe back into buying off the undertakers of Mil.Gov.Biz.

Forget PizzaGate, and the 800,000 American children who go missing every year, just follow the money. Let's find out the word derivation. Find out who titled the operation 'Shock and Awe', then you'll understand everything: Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Syria, the Yinon Plan. You'll find who runs the porn industry in Arya, and you'll show war and porn the same master.
War, Porn and Pizza (and human organ harvests, and Prada knockoffs, and Stuxnet virus).

"We won, you lost. It's just business, get over it. Now get off our (stolen) land!"

23 more days until New Israel on the Potomac!

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 28, 2016 4:35:58 PM | 154

Why is US afraid of a Russian role in Afghanistan? good article from M K Bhadrakumar... basically the usa wants to fuck over everything and can't stand the thought of russia helping to end the 15 year usa quagmire in afgan.. meanwhile badmouthing russia to india is part of the package.. the usa is such a pathetic sack of shite..

Posted by: james | Dec 28, 2016 6:41:49 PM | 155

@ james who wrote: ".. the usa is such a pathetic sack of shite.."

As an American I am sensitive to being held personally responsible for the actions of the global plutocrats that own our government and financial system. I am doing what I can to bring clarity and focus to others about the cancer affecting America and the world.

Please don't condemn all of us.....just the global plutocrats and their puppets.....thanks

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28, 2016 8:40:40 PM | 156

How can we respect our so-called leaders? They have zero esteem for us, who are their bread-earners. They kill us, no hesitation, if it pleases them and serves their purpose – and their greed.

In the case of Berlin, is the German government complicit? Blaming Muslims, finding a pre-identified victim, Mr. Anis Amri, who most likely had no clue that he was framed.

In Italy, the police catches him (or somebody who has been given the pre-identified Tunisian victim’s name), they kill him – and, bingo – case closed. Another fear-inflicting false flag was born and concluded, advancing the bulldozer of empire’s destruction a notch closer to Full Spectrum Dominance.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46124.htm

Posted by: denk | Dec 28, 2016 10:48:18 PM | 157

I want to share another ZH posting about finance

The link: It’s The Dollar, Stupid

The quote:
"
We expect global monetary authorities to protect the dollar as long as they can and we expect them to fail. Stocks and bonds will react violently; stocks and weak credits falling, treasuries prices rising (at first). That failure will lead to hyperinflation – not driven by demand, but rather by central bank money printing. A new global monetary understanding will then emerge.
"

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 29, 2016 2:56:03 AM | 158

Trudeau Government Refuses to Back Clemency Appeal For Leonard Peltier
http://ipolitics.ca/2016/12/22/trudeau-government-refuses-to-back-clemency-appearl-for-leonard-peltier

Given that it was Canada that wrongfully and based on false evidence handed him over to US authorities and given Trudeau's Just-Us minister is Indigenous. This is a very greasy decision.

Here's AIM on the background to the Peltier case
https://youtu.be/IJbG0zVIW9Y

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 29, 2016 8:25:45 AM | 159

@149, ftb 'hope you are not confounding assertions with ad hominem'

i can't, and i'd bet that most others cannot - i'd say all but there are probably a few who don't read your posts - tell 'the difference' between your 'assertions' and personal insults. your alibi gives real meaning to the phrase 'a distinction without a difference'. i know that at i give you a skip as soon as the first nasty insult pops up its ugly head. they always seem to come in a passel and i am embarrassed, on your behalf, to read them. so i don't.

you needn't be distracted from your intent composition to add whitespace ... just hit the carriage return when you stop to read your last stilted masterpiece. like i do.

when you do get off your stilts and stow the insults you do seem to be, potentially at least - too small a sample to tell for sure - a font of wisdom. just like all the rest of us here at moa.

@151 circe

Welcome to Greater Israel!


Donald Trump is not even president yet but he advised Barack Obama to exercise the U.S. veto for the resolution condemning Israeli settlements that was voted on at the United Nations Security Council on Friday, explaining that “As the United States has long maintained, peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians will only come through direct negotiations between the parties, and not through the imposition of terms by the United Nations. This puts Israel in a very poor negotiating position and is extremely unfair to all Israelis.”

you know it occurs to me that just as 'progressives' were outspoken (if only outspoken) on the subject of endless war with bush, then fell silent when their nobel peace prize laureate embarked on his own serial aggressions, so too, in a mirror image sort of way, 'progressives' may finally notice the 8000 kg gorilla sitting in the middle of the us congress when it's not their favorites but the one anti-christ and his deplorable droogies whom they so love to hate feeding him all our bananas?

the action will need to progress from 'outspokenness' to our revolutionary seizure of power, however, to effect any change at all.


The problem with Israel and its friends is that they are never satisfied and never leave the rest of us Americans alone, pushing constantly at what is essentially an open door. They have treated the United States like a doormat, spying on us more than any ostensibly friendly nation while pocketing our $38 billion donation to their expanding state without so much as a thank you. They are shameless ...

yeah. but of course we are just as shameless ourselves ...

@155 james '... the usa is such a pathetic sack of shite ...'

unless and until we take responsibility for our government and do what it takes to rein it in, yeah, the usa is a pathetic sack ... it's kind of you to envolve yourself pathetically, to empathize with us south of the border. i guess it's because you realize that there too, but for ten times the population and the leaven of the french and others gone 'native', goes canada - now gloriously off the hook and free?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 29, 2016 11:42:10 PM | 160

@149, ftb 'hope you are not confounding assertions with ad hominem'

i can't, and i'd bet that most others cannot - i'd say all others but there are probably a few who don't read your posts - tell 'the difference' between your 'assertions' and personal insults. your alibi gives real meaning to the phrase 'a distinction without a difference'. i know that at i give you a skip as soon as the first nasty insult raises its ugly head. they always seem to come in a stream and i am embarrassed, on your behalf, to read them. so i don't.

you needn't be distracted from your compositional intent to add whitespace ... just hit the carriage return when you stop to read your last stilted masterpiece. juat like i do.

when you do get off your stilts and stow the insults you seem to be - potentially at least, too small a sample to tell for sure - a font of wisdom. just like all the rest of here at moa.

@151 circe

Welcome to Greater Israel!


Donald Trump is not even president yet but he advised Barack Obama to exercise the U.S. veto for the resolution condemning Israeli settlements that was voted on at the United Nations Security Council on Friday, explaining that “As the United States has long maintained, peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians will only come through direct negotiations between the parties, and not through the imposition of terms by the United Nations. This puts Israel in a very poor negotiating position and is extremely unfair to all Israelis.”

you know it occurs to me that just as 'progressives' were outspoken (if only outspoken) on the subject of the endless war with bush, then fell silent when their nobel peace prize laureate embarked on his own serial aggressions and stream of drone murders of innocents, so too, in a mirror image sort of way 'progresives' may finally notice the 8000 kg gorilla sitting in the middle of the us congress when it's not their favorite feeding him all our bananas but the one and only Deplorable In Chief whom they so love to hate?

the action will need to progress from 'outspokenness' to our revolutionary seizure of power, however, to effect any change at all.


The problem with Israel and its friends is that they are never satisfied and never leave the rest of us Americans alone, pushing constantly at what is essentially an open door. They have treated the United States like a doormat, spying on us more than any ostensibly friendly nation while pocketing our $38 billion donation to their expanding state without so much as a thank you. They are shameless ...

yeah, indeed, but of course we are just as shameless ourselves ...

@155 james '... the usa is such a pathetic sack of shite ...'

unless and until we take responsibility for our government and do what it takes to rein it in, yeah, the usa is a pathetic sack ... it's kind of you to envolve yourself pathetically, to empathize with us, south of the border. i guess it's because you realize that there too, but for one-tenth the population and the leaven of the french and others gone 'native', goes canada, glorious and guilt-free?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 30, 2016 12:50:47 AM | 161

@160

for all our information : i was not allowed to post the above with a link to the original article at u n z d o t c o m. don't know if it was typepad or cloudflare applying the filter. so many 'men in the middle' with no way to tell who's filtering whom.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 30, 2016 12:55:25 AM | 162

Trump threatens China over TW if he doesnt get his way in trade concessions, he also challenges Russia/China to a nuclear arm race, no less !
Some 'peacenik' !

iN case you havent noticed,
Obama has already signed two bills,
One for 'unlimited' nuclear ugrade and 'space based defence systems', aka 'star war'.
Another one is for starting 'high level military exchange' with TW.
If this isnt calculated provocation I dont know what is ?
[I've a feeling chipnik would be pleased !]


But aint these Trump's pet projects ???
Seems to me someone is already paving the way for the incoming CIC, a seamless transition !

I guess when there's TW straits flare up, Trumpsters would say'its all Obama's fault' ?

Why do sheeples still fall for such bipartisan b.s. ?
To anyone who isnt blind, the hands of the puppeteers are hidden in plain sight !

hehehehhe

Posted by: denk | Dec 30, 2016 12:55:27 AM | 163

@161

even writing u n a d o t c o m as three separate but words without spaces between characters was verboten. i think it must be cloudflare, as previews were allowed, and typepad 'innocently' reported, 'your comment has been posted', or whatever it says exactly, when in fact it had not been.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 30, 2016 1:00:43 AM | 164

Paul Craig Roberts on Kissinger and his role as Trump's advisor in diplomatic arrangements with Russia.

Posted by: Copeland | Dec 30, 2016 1:36:24 AM | 165

@ Copeland who provide the link to the Paul Crag Roberts piece on Kissinger

On the Syria-Peace Talks...thread I responded to commenter likklemore about his providing the PCR article link by posting the following recent article from ChineNet. Who does war criminal Kissinger represent??????

So, following is the report of Henry meeting with Xi on December 2, 2016 .......he gets around, and not just with presidents...

BEIJING, Dec. 2 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Xi Jinping met with former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger in Beijing Friday, saying China will work closely with the United States at a new starting point to maintain the smooth transition of ties and stable growth.

Xi appreciated Kissinger's contribution to China-U.S. relations over the past years, saying the sustained, healthy and stable growth of China-U.S. ties meets the fundamental interests of the two peoples and has helped with peace, stability and prosperity in the Asia-Pacific region and the world at large.

U. S. President-elect Donald Trump paid a visit to the 93-year-old strategist after he won the election.

Kissinger told Xi that he believes it is the expectation of the U.S. new administration to facilitate sustained, stable and better growth of U.S.-China relations.

"The development history of China-U.S. ties since the forging of diplomatic ties has proven our common interests far outweigh the differences," Xi said.

In their over one-hour-and-a-half meeting, Xi said the two countries should properly handle their different views and divergences in a constructive manner.

He stressed that China and the United States should have a correct understanding of each other's strategic intentions, abandon the zero-sum mentality, stick to non-confrontation and non-conflict, respect each other and carry out mutually beneficial cooperation, to boost the building of a new type of major country relationship between China and the United States.

Xi called on both countries to maintain close high-level exchanges, maintain stable development of win-win economic and trade ties, expand substantial cooperation in various areas and strengthen coordination on major global and regional issues.

Kissinger, a regular visitor to China, said he hopes to continue efforts in boosting understanding and cooperation between the two countries.

As a trailblazer for China-U.S. ties, Kissinger paid a secret visit to China in 1971 which paved way for the establishment of China-U.S. diplomatic ties in 1979.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 30, 2016 3:04:47 AM | 166

Impressive goodwill move by Russia,
Putin: we wont take the bait by obama's provocations
https://www.rt.com/news/372256-putin-diplomats-expulsion-rejects/

Posted by: Lionshare | Dec 30, 2016 7:45:50 AM | 167

@ Lionshare | Dec 30, 2016 7:45:50 AM | 166

From your link:

Putin said that, unlike the Obama administration, Russia will not target foreign diplomats and their families days before New Year’s celebrations.

“We will not forbid families and children from spending the New Year’s holidays at the places they are used to. Moreover, I invite the children of all American diplomats with accreditation in Russia to New Year’s and Christmas festivities in the Kremlin,” the Russian president said.

Putin said he regretted that US President Barack Obama is ending his term “in such a way,” but that he extended his New Year’s congratulations to the outgoing US president and his family nevertheless.

:)

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 30, 2016 8:27:04 AM | 168

@psychohistorian

The outward appearance of benign or benevolent intent is always present as Kissinger hobnobs with the leaders of the great powers. Gracious statements in these drawing room encounters are followed by suggestions that he is only there to guard against the disastrous collisions, competing interests, or wayward ambitions of superpowers. The continuing message is that rational players would have nothing to gain, and indeed much to lose, in a "Zero Sum game". No, really no one ought to assume, this reasoning goes, that otherwise brutal international diplomacy could be anything like a game of Musical Chairs, where less adept or less powerful players suddenly find themselves without a place to sit.

And yet it is amazing how the unfortunate deaths of millions of people seem to churn in the bloody wake of Henry Kissinger's little boat of diplomacy and advisement. Those who are the pawns in the Great Game, those small fry, the powerless, are hurried into their graves, are dispossessed, and are left mourning their losses. As advisor to Nixon he was the prime mover behind the nightmare in Santiago in 1973, and Chile's years of hell under Pinochet's dictatorship. And there was advising of the Kissinger kind behind the policy of supporting the Pol Pot regime, as Cambodian people tried to survive the Killing Fields. And then under Jimmy Carter, there was surely pertinent advice plus a news blackout, during the Indonesian Genocide. Henry Kissinger is still going strong in diplomatic circles, well into his 90s. And who knows what he is still capable of accomplishing?

Posted by: Copeland | Dec 30, 2016 10:33:28 AM | 169

Correction: The Indonesian invasion of East Timor, and subsequent bloodbath, began during the earlier Ford, not Carter administration. But Kissinger, who was Secretary of State under Ford, also served in an advisory role, when Carter became president.

The Trial of Henry Kissinger

Excerpt of Christopher Hitchen's The Trial of Henry Kissenger from The Guardian

Kissinger symbolises the pornography of power. In 1968, he was negotiating a Vietnam peace treaty in Paris for President Johnson. He did a deal with the Republicans to sabotage the peace negotiations to help secure Richard Nixon's election to president. In return, the world's self-styled "greatest peacemaker" would be promoted under the new administration. Kissinger's venality extended the war by four years and cost the lives of millions of Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians - not to mention many thousands of US servicemen.

Indictments should also include deliberate mass killings of civilian populations in Indochina, collusion in mass murder and assassination in Bangladesh, the personal planning of the murder of General Schneider in Chile, involvement in a plan to murder Archbishop Makarios in Cyprus and the incitement and enabling of genocide in East Timor.

Posted by: Copeland | Dec 30, 2016 12:14:54 PM | 170

Sorry for broken link in 170: The Trial of Henry Kissinger

Posted by: Copeland | Dec 30, 2016 12:23:30 PM | 171

on 'fake news' ...

first the tried and true msm lie, aka 'fake news', spread from a liar in the us state department to a liar at cnn ...

CNN sanctions its own American kids with #FAKENEWS story about closure of Moscow school


American officials 'anonymously' briefed their media that in response [to Obama's sanctions], Russia closed an American school in Moscow.

It's a lie. Apparently, the White House has really gone mad and started to come up with sanctions against their own children.

Write like it is: "CNN and other Western media once again referring to the American official sources spread false information"

the second incident was in thailand, and is a report of ... robotic fake news ... !

Facebook Says Panic-Inducing Bangkok Explosion Actually Happened


Facebook has denied its Tuesday night alert about an explosion hitting Bangkok was made in error, saying it was supported by news reports about a man who threw fireworks from the roof of a bank nine hours earlier.

The “explosion” Facebook is referencing was a mentally ill man who had ascended to the roof of a bank near the prime minister’s office to throw homemade “ping pong” bombs that caused no injuries.

Those assertions did not match up with Facebook’s own original Safety Check, which listed as “confirmation” a bogus news report on a news aggregating site, an automated MSN news report derived from the first and a story on Thai street food.


fb's computers take msn's computers' word for it and go with the report. fake news is now machine generated, untouched by human hands! think of the possibilities.

on the ME and intelligence, such as it is. the 'intelligence' is blurry ...

ISIS Commander Flees to Europe with 400 Fighters Disguised as Refugees – Report


According to the report, Muhaxheri, also known as Abu Abdullah al Kosova, is a Kosovo Albanian, who was trained at the largest military base of the US Army in the Balkans. The US State Department has recognized him as a serious threat to Kosovo and Albania, as well as a global terror threat after his accession to the IS.

... but that's the most salient point: trained by the US.

talk to the turks, never rely on anything they say ..

Turkey plane transfers Daesh terrorists from Aleppo to Yemen: Report


Yemen’s al-Masirah news website reported that the plane carried 150 terrorists who were evacuated from Syria’s northwestern city of Aleppo after Syrian government forces fully retook control of the city.

Yemeni security sources said the terrorists landed in the airport that is under the supervision of Emirati forces, who are taking part in the Saudi military campaign against Yemen, the report added.


... they are one a mission from Erdogan to confound anyone else's attempts at ending the chaos and slaughter in the ME.

meanwhile, the most salient line in an article on USrael's internal squabbles and obama/kerry's too little too late pas de dieux ...

Israel-Palestine and the “two-state solution”


Trump has indicated the direction of his administration with the appointment as ambassador to Israel of his personal bankruptcy lawyer, David Friedman.

... tee-rump's 'personal bankruptcy lawyer' says it all about the tee-rump administration. the donald's 'personal bankruptcy lawyer' has become the usa's 'national bankruptcy lawyer' as the usa is divided by the tee-rump's creditors.

early morn on new year's eve here. happy new year 2017! ungainly year, the first of four under the new Bankrupt In Chief ... 2560 is at least round enough to ring, although the country's been shrouded in black by its Dictator In Chief, heading toward the close of this third year of his occupation of indefinite duration.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 30, 2016 4:22:26 PM | 172

Those who hate Trump say he's a Russian agent, for 'evidence' they quote the serial liars at the state dept/CIA. [cough cough]

Trumpsters are no less dumb,
'This man is the real deal, 'he's making up with Putin' ! [sic]

Well you havent been paying attention !
Trump said long ago ,
'Every five yr old knows that its a strategic blunder to drive Russia/China together and Obama has just done that !'
[and I'm gonna fix that pronto !]

The operative word here is *strategic*.
Empire watch 101 for dummies,
Agenda never change, only strategy. [1]

By now the 'deep state' [2] strategy for the next four /8 yrs should be crystal clear ...
Lure Putin with G2, Target China.

Look he even manage to soothe Duterte by endorsing his 'war on drugs' again.
So what about that 'extra judicial executions' thingee?

murkkan 'value' my ass !
Duterte dont take no shit from Washington so they need a new strategy and it works like a charm !

There was this headline on Sputnik news, *Trump looks sincere in mending ties with Russia !*

I'll fix it for them,
Trump TPTB look set in mending ties with co-opting Russia !

[1]
What might that be ?
Full spectrum dominance.


[2]
note I never mention Trump, he's irrelevant, just like Obama, Bush,
Clinton..all are reading from the script handed down by TPTB.

Posted by: denk | Dec 30, 2016 11:58:08 PM | 173

The greatest build-up of NATO military forces since the Second World War is already under way on the western borders of Russia. On the other side of the world, the rise of China as the world’s second economic power is viewed in Washington as another ‘threat’ to American dominance.

President Obama announced his provocative U.S. military offensive, called the “Pivot to Asia,” in 2011. It includes a plan to 'move' (sic) two-thirds of the U.S. Navy to Asia and the Pacific. There are 400 bases encircling China and their weapons are all aimed at Beijing.

[NOTE: After Congress SAFC hearings, it was determined and declared policy that P2A vessel and ordnance redeployments from the Europe theater of operations to the Pacific theater are only temporary, and no European bases will see a reduction in forces or be closed. In others words, Pivot to Asia, is a psyop to cover the largest covert arms buildup in US history.]

Conveniently, the latest 'confrontations' (sic) in the South China Sea come at a time when the U.S. Navy needs to justify its biggest expansion in 35 years. It presently has 273 battle force ships. Obama’s Asia Pivot would increase it to 308. Trump pledged to increase it to 350. The U.S. Navy immediately put forward a plan for 355 ships.

It should be noted that even in the face of this greatest arms buildup since the Cold War, Donald Trump has stated he wants the Pentagon (and Homeland Security) to be even bigger.

It should also be noted, with the 1000 admirals the Navy has now, the Pentagon could field three admirals in the bridge of every single USA fighting ship, which must surely strike terror in the heart of Beijing!

ON TO TEHRAN FOR THE ONE PARTY OF MIL.GOV.BIZ!!! ON TO TEHRAN FOR THE ORANGE JESUIT JEFE!

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 31, 2016 1:25:30 AM | 174

Only the blind can fail to see Trump is the latest iteration of the MICC appointee.
Meet the old boss, same as the old boss !

Jeeze, didnt he broadcast his plan to a massive upgrade for the *most* powerful armed forces ?
I guess somebody gotta invent a word which is higher than *most* , hehehhe

Why should anybody be surprised ?

Who said this...?
*Doing the same thing [1] over and over while expecting a different outcome is a sign of insanity !

i asked during the 'election' campaign,
'Whats the chance of the 45th potus being different from the previous 44 !@#$%^!' , all being war mongers, all since WW2 were MIC appointees ?

Mathematically speaking its practically ZERO !

Ian Fleming's fundamental law of probability.....
Once is accidence, twice could be coincidence,
thrice.......enemy action !

[1]
that 'election' kabuki !

Posted by: denk | Dec 31, 2016 10:30:46 PM | 175

January 10-11: nuclear demolition false flag in Chicago (rumors about explosives at Sears on 9/11) around Obama's farewell address (Rams Emanuel mafia)?

I wrote before her hoe Chicago has been portrayed as a war zone in some prominent recent Hollyweird flicks. On RT they had a piece few days ago on how many major such movies are scripted by the CIA, with increasingly rabid, blatant anti-Russian propaganda.

Also important:

Looks like a cordon sanitaire around the US:
For The First Time Since World War II, No US Carriers Are Deployed Anywhere In The World

WikiLeaks Hints At Huge Upcoming Revelations: "2017 Will Blow You Away"

Indonesia Terminates All Business Relationships With JPMorgan After Downgrade

Angela Merkel To Skip Davos Amid Blowback Against "Global Elite"

Globalists Reveal Alarming Predictions FOR 2017!!! Are The Elite Preparing FOR WAR?

Washington Secretly Behind Cash Ban In India, Greece Unleashes 'Soft' Cash Ban

Posted by: ProPeace | Jan 3, 2017 11:07:00 AM | 176

Found it: Lights, camera, propaganda! US government anti-Russia campaign invades Hollywood

Posted by: ProPeace | Jan 3, 2017 12:47:49 PM | 177

Followup to 178

The crucial detail that is Not being reported in the MSM:

The Kopassus Indonesian language trainer heard offensive material in class including that the late Indonesian military leader Sarwo Edhie Wibowo was a mass murderer and that a TNI police officer murdered his friend while drunk.

He also reportedly saw a laminated piece of paper which said PANCAGILA, an offensive mockery of Indonesia's state ideology, Pancasila, which basically translates as "five crazy principles".

"After he returned to Indonesia, he immediately made a report,"

...
The current TNI (Indonesian military) chief, General Gatot Nurmantyo said a co-operation program in which an Indonesian language lecturer had been sent to Australia, ended with an apology from Australia.

He reportedly said the Indonesian language teacher had been asked to give homework to his students that included Free Papua propaganda.

"That Papua is Melanesia, therefore it should be its own country. So I pulled (the teacher)," Gatot reportedly said to applause from the audience.

Indonesia, Australia military co-operation on hold after training materials cause offence

TNI (Indonesian military) chief, General Gatot suspended all military co-operation with Australia commencing Dec 29, pending an investigation.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 4, 2017 7:50:18 AM | 179

The following headline is a bit over the top perhaps, but Mark Blyth became my favourite political economist of 2016 after a link was posted here at MofA. He was one of just a few who correctly predicted the trifecta of Brexit, Trump and Italy-NO.

Professor who predicted Brexit and Trump claims European Union will CEASE TO EXIST in 2017

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 4, 2017 8:21:02 AM | 180

Gareth Porter gave an interesting interview to Scott Horton:

- For Iran Hezbollah in Lebanon & Syria are part of Iran's "Security Policy". Iran has supplied weapons to Hezbollah to make Hezbollah a serious threat to Israel. Now Israel will think twice before it will make any military move against Iran. Then Israel has to take into account that Hezbollah could launch one or more missiles/rockets into (the north of) Israel.

- The US underestimated the strategic importance of Syria for both Russia & Iran. That's why the US was caught by surprise when Russia started to intervene in Syria. Obama's advisors gave in that regard some very bad advise.
- Obama was told/advised that the "Syria campaign" was over within a year. That Assad wouldn't survive for more than a year.
- Later Obama adopted Israel's view on the "Syria theater": let them fight and that will weaken all parties. Then the parties would decide that there needs to be a "negociated settlement" in Syria. But that also didn't happen.

Sources:
https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/scotthortonshow/122716-gareth-porter-obamas-real-strategic-blunder-syria/
https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/scotthortonshow/111116-gareth-porter-switching-sides-syria/
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/behind-real-us-strategic-blunder-syria-2049258334
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/bombing-east-aleppo-uniquely-indiscriminate-1604750964

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 4, 2017 4:30:55 PM | 181

the chinese are going to build houses for the israelis in palestine, bargain prices too ...

China agrees to send 6,000 construction workers to Israe


Beijing and Tel Aviv have come to an agreement to alleviate the "housing crisis" in Israel by China sending around 6,000 construction workers over a six-month period.

... BDS israel, the prc, and the usa!

Posted by: jfl | Jan 5, 2017 12:47:02 AM | 182

So the loser-in-chief brags about having a bigger party than Trump as he is swept out of office and fascism 21stC settles in for an 8 year reign with both houses likely on board.

Whoopee!... is that meant to hurt?

Is there anyone still wondering (apart from those in cognitive dissonance central)
why the US system has fallen into such a degenerate state? 8 years of these drones in the control room! The Hollywood set and their tinsel-town script writers have run out of ink as Malcolm X's 'house negro' slinks out the back for the new master's arrival.

Empty suits; empty themes; empty values; empty treasury; ... and the next day; empty White House.

Show business may have just met its match -- real business!

“Obama Just Announced A HUGE Star-Studded Party To Rival Trump’s Inauguration”

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/01/05/obama-just-announced-huge-star-studded-party-rival-trumps-inauguration/

Posted by: x | Jan 5, 2017 1:37:22 AM | 183

someone posted a link to A Well-Kept Open Secret: Washington Is Behind India’s Brutal Demonetization Project. i can't find that moa link now, so i'm reposting it here.

the original is by a Norbert Häring, in English (pdf). it's available in German as well, Ein gut gehütetes offenes Geheimnis: Washington steckt hinter Indiens brutalem Bargeld-Experiment (pdf).

this is truly a big, big item.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 5, 2017 7:03:04 AM | 184

@jfl: Can we expect israeli workers to revolt because foreign chinese workers are taking the job of israeli & palestine construction workers ?

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 5, 2017 8:36:29 AM | 185

JFL 184

The US acquired one point something billion units of cannon fodder to use against China.
Hindutva will be used like the wahhabi's and neo-nazis

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 5, 2017 8:52:15 AM | 186

@185 willy2

i don't think there are any israeli construction workers. nor are there very many palestinian construction workers ... thais, for instance, yeah. and any other nationality the israelis can import to replace palestinians. what few palestinians there are in construction will be replaced by these chinese, certainly in the west bank.

the point is that the only thing that counts to the chinese is the bottom line. if it's under the bus with the palestinians, so be it. it's ok with the plutocrats' republic. they'll work it into their one-road one-belt vision.

@184 peter au

you're saying that hindus will be sent to china to fight in a chinese 'civil war' a la the middle east? i don't understand you.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 5, 2017 9:57:07 AM | 187

not civil war. India China war perhaps, but more likely India Pakistan war to block China from bypassing the Malacca Strait by setting up the Gwadar port.
Andrew Korybko at Katehon...
"It will never be publicly admitted and will always be ‘plausibly denied’ for diplomatic purposes and reasons of international image, but India is leading the Hybrid War on CPEC, the $46 billion Chinese-led investment corridor through Pakistan and Beijing’s only reliable non-Malacca route to the Indian Ocean. India’s aggressive policies are being directed by powerful National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, the man who can single-handedly be blamed for India’s abandonment of non-alignment in favor of what its sycophantic pundits have decided to misleadingly market as “multi-alignment”, which is just an ‘acceptable’ way to call India’s pro-American redirection. Granted, India still enjoys a very close relationship with Russia, but it’s undeniable that its relations with the US have astronomically improved ever since Modi’s premiership began and are progressively developing into one of the world’s most decisive military-strategic partnerships. In this context, Russia’s relations with India are irreplaceably important for the balancing function that they provide in regards to New Delhi’s delicate straddling of the multipolar and unipolar worlds."
http://katehon.com/article/heres-what-uri-attack-kashmir-has-do-russia-and-china
Korybko has a number of articles on India at Katehon

Modi's party is Hindutva. Anti Russia anti China anti imperialism, pro US if that makes any sense. Doesn't to me, but reading Hindutva websites, that is what they believe.
I also got some feedback from these clowns when putting in a comment on this at the saker site. US fights for freedom, not like the imperialist Brits, commie China bad, bad, bad surrounding India ect ect.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 5, 2017 10:40:01 AM | 188

- John Pilger:

"The coming war with China"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6StL-AJLDwY

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 5, 2017 12:47:22 PM | 189

"Operation Talisman saber" (held every 2 years)

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/07/27/tali-j27.html

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 5, 2017 12:54:16 PM | 190

- "Operation Talisman Saber":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Talisman_Saber

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 5, 2017 6:24:38 PM | 191

jfl 182

*BDS israel, the prc, and the usa!*

what, a beijing/tel aviv/ washington triumvariate ?
i dont think beijing deserves that 'honor',
never mind that modi/trump would surely sneer at it !

http://tinyurl.com/zsfyjqs
----------------

jfl 184

*someone posted a link to A Well-Kept Open Secret: Washington Is Behind India’s Brutal Demonetization Project. i can't find that moa link now, so i'm reposting it here.*

what nonsense ?

----------------------
jfl 187

*the point is that the only thing that counts to the chinese is the bottom line. if it's under the bus with the palestinians, so be it. it's ok with the plutocrats' republic. they'll work it into their one-road one-belt vision.*

ouch, so 'the chinese are just like us' say lee !
except.....
*unlike the rest who spout platitudes while raping the natives, the chinese never claim to be moral crusaders in the first place.
* they dont do regime change, terrorism, assasianations, r2plunder etc.
*they dont like to throw stones at others, they are too busy minding their own 'glass' house.

In the kindom of blind, the one eyed jack is king !
the more you look at the chinese, the more they stand out as almost angelic
heheheh


Posted by: denk | Jan 5, 2017 10:10:21 PM | 192

@182 peter au

thanks for the link to katehon.

i think that modi is doing deep damage to india and indians flirting with the neo-cons in the us. the us will use modi and india till they use them up. just as they use all their allies - except israel where, magically, the relation is inverted.

india, like china, like the us, like all nations, needs to focus on indians, chinese, americans, et al. this ceaseless beggar thy neighbor stuff is bankrupt before it starts. and it leads nowhere but to bankruptcy. every nation seems to have an 'elite' that thinks like washington thinks, the 'wiseguys' who are sometimes in power, always close to power, and always the bane of 'their' peoples' well-being. blind greed knows no nationality, but has always a ready 'ally' in ac/dc.

check out that article by Norbert Häring. it's occasioned by usaid's obscene operation in india, but that's just the prototype - for all of africa, for instance. bill gates is an integral part of the cosmodemonic machine. thailand is pushing the same sort of activity - sans demonetization, so far. i think it's really t-h-e big movement on the financial front. it is amazing that usaid and the us banks are so openly colluding in such a huge, private, power play. testimony to the absolute corruption of the usg under bush/obama and the neo-cons.

this is the kind of thing that will appeal to tee-rump, i imagine.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 9, 2017 1:58:34 AM | 193

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