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December 26, 2016

Open Thread 2016-44

(While I am still in family holiday mode ...)

News & views ...

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China's fast response on Trump's 'nuke' tweet

Posted by: nmb | Dec 26, 2016 4:01:55 AM | 1

"b",

At this time of the year, I would like to say that I am deeply grateful to you for continuing this blog. I realize how much work you must put into it.

Happy Holidays to you and yours.

~ Mark

Posted by: Mark Stoval | Dec 26, 2016 7:21:14 AM | 2

Pepe Escobar: With the installation of the S-500 antimissile system, "All US offensive missiles and stealth aircraft as it stands are rendered useless." Hype? Would someone care to comment?

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201612251048980320-ussr-eurasian-century/e Escobar: "

Posted by: anondooronron | Dec 26, 2016 8:55:10 AM | 3

If U.S. missiles and stealth aircraft have been rendered useless, the same is presumably true of Israeli weapons.

Posted by: lysias | Dec 26, 2016 9:03:58 AM | 4

The fake news meme is reminding me of the "few bad apples" one used in the aftermath of the bank fraud crisis of 2008. Surely it's not the vetted, funded, and supported system that is entirely sick and corrupted, so let's not address that. Recall one shmuck went to jail for insider trading as though that had anything to do with the crisis.

Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Dec 26, 2016 9:10:48 AM | 5

anondooronron @3

The US stealth aircraft (and others) are somewhat of a scam. They are not invisible to the LF radar that Russia use. The stealth coating of the US aircraft is prone to 'washing off' in very wet conditions (never gonna happen in Russia, right!). Their stealth also reduces dramatically when they open their weapon bays (all weapons are carried within the aircraft to maintain stealth, which limits the type and size of weap0ns that can be carried). They also suffer from the same problem as stealth submarines - they are lit up like a Christmas tree the moment they fire their weapons.

Stealth is good for MIC profits (expensive, high maintenance), which is all that matters as far as the US is concerned.

The target set for the S-500 includes high speed missiles and some satellites.

Posted by: Yonatan | Dec 26, 2016 9:11:59 AM | 6

OUZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Russia Conducts Fifth Test of New Anti-Satellite Missile
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-conducts-fifth-test-new-anti-satellite-missile/

Posted by: ALAN | Dec 26, 2016 9:22:23 AM | 7

@ anondooronron @3: the link doesn't work, at least in my firefox.

Posted by: wendy davis | Dec 26, 2016 9:22:32 AM | 8

@ anondooronron @3: Yes,the link doesn't work, in my PC too!

Posted by: ALAN | Dec 26, 2016 9:27:20 AM | 9

There is nothing pressing at this time b, so enjoy.
See you later, will be greater.
May the new year be less, full of shit...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Dec 26, 2016 9:36:49 AM | 10

@ anondooronron @3: the link doesn't work, at least in my firefox.
Posted by: wendy davis | Dec 26, 2016 9:22:32 AM | 8

The e on the end looked superfluous. Try this...
https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201612251048980320-ussr-eurasian-century

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 26, 2016 9:44:17 AM | 11

lysias #4

That has been obvious since the outcome of the last Gaza war.

Palestinians tested the - expensive - Iron Dome with the equivalent of paper flyers. Iron Dome does not react to missiles it deems harmless, but the Israeli public was not amused with all that means for house prices, emigration, votes etc.

Discussion in Germany to convert NATO into a "security zone" with Russia is on. The interesting fact is not so much that "Die Linke" talks about it but that established conservative paper FAZ puts it on its front page with the headline "German policy strengthens terror groups".

Posted by: somebody | Dec 26, 2016 9:48:27 AM | 12

Russia requires anti-satellite missiles due to the multiple satellite-launched attacks on their territory from U.S. controlled space weaponry a.k.a "god rods"..

Posted by: Ryan | Dec 26, 2016 9:57:33 AM | 13

#2 & 10 I second that.

Posted by: jo6pac | Dec 26, 2016 10:02:07 AM | 14

#2,10 and 14.........I third that.....

Posted by: notlurking | Dec 26, 2016 10:24:33 AM | 15

Escobar has a good take on Russia's invulnerability I think - correct link to the story @11. He's been pushing this point for quite some time, but I've always had a sense that the year 2020 was the target date for the kind of perfect shielding that Russia has been very diligently working towards. So the technical aspects of this require a more nuanced exposition that Escobar is giving here, but it's Putin's remarks he's really highlighting here.

It struck me also that Putin was sending some very clear messages to the US military and executive as well as reporting the truth to the Russian people. Putin's been doing this a lot lately, to warn off any sudden and ill-considered moves by the west. It was a very tight statement, that "Russia is now stronger than any potential aggressor - anyone".

I find this to be key:

... Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu stressed Russia "for the first time in its history" has fully protected the extensive Russian borders with early warning anti-missile systems.

The Pentagon must be processing the information with extreme seriousness. That means, essentially, that before the S-500s were fully rolled out, Moscow could not but exercise extreme prudence. Now Russian air space seems to be effectively sealed. Putin could not actually admit on the record that Russia is the strongest military power in the world until the rollout of the S-500s is complete.

Simply from parsing the words here, and without any military expertise, I don't know that this means that Russia is bulletproof, simply that she can detect any bullet coming at her from any source, which eliminates all element of surprise from the US strategy. Hopefully Russia can also destroy every bullet coming at her but I'm not sure this is being said here. What's being said is that Russia can also counterattack in good enough shape to hit any adversary with enough intact and reliably working force to destroy that adversary completely. In realistic terms, I think this is what "stronger" really comes down to anyway, in a MAD framework.

To me this means that MAD has now ceased to be mutually assured destruction. It looks like the Russians can guarantee their end for handing out the destruction, while the US may no longer be able to. With every advantage of surprise now eliminated, what does this do to the minds of the US planners and plotters?

Merry Christmas.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 26, 2016 10:34:05 AM | 16

#6 "Stealth is good for MIC profits (expensive, high maintenance), which is all that matters as far as the US is concerned."

True. Spent several years on Stealth Project employed by a defense contractor that was expert at milking Mil.Gov contracts...products not passing required tests, slipping ship dates, cost overruns passed on to taxpayer etc..

Posted by: wisco hillbilly | Dec 26, 2016 10:45:11 AM | 17

Wet conditions affecting stealth? I am not so sure, at least for "strategic bombing" which is launched from very high altitudes, well above rain clouds. But in over-all strategy, reliance on few super-weapons is probably a bad idea, because it does not consider what the opponent can do.

If the opponent is a super-power, meaning, a power with its own advanced weapon industry, then if it is a good idea, it will eventually copy it, keep in mind that production and design cycles are long and you have to imagine the status 10 years later. And if it is so-so idea, the opponent will focus on counter-measures that can be introduced at smaller cost. Russia would focus on perfecting ICBMs, Iran may focus on the capability to block oil traffic through Hormuz and perhaps Red Sea too (stealth submarines). So even if you can bomb them without being shot down, you may rue the day.

And if it is a "conventional conflict", the chief limitations of air power are (a) dispersing and masking of the enemy forces, and (b) reaction cycle to the situation at the battlefield. In both cases you need a lot of aircraft, preferably based in proximity and thus vulnerable. Thus in a conventional conflict you need weapons with smallish unit cost. That explains, in part, why KSA is doing so badly in Yemen: expensive toys are good against stationary targets like funeral homes, but they do not help in mountainous battlefields where Huthis operate. A fleet of slow attack planes that would suffer their share of occasional losses would help KSA much better than the expensive planes that fly from nearly 1000 miles away.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 26, 2016 11:16:28 AM | 18

My 2017 curiosity is with the Breitbart phenomenon.

Recall Andrew Breitbart made a name for himself shilling for Wall Street during OWS, not the first time populist movements have been co-opted, then folded in on themselves to self-destruction. Breitbart News rose to national prominence only after Andrew clotted out, then a largely Israeli board of editors took over, pushing memes of anti-welfare, anti-minority, anti-Muslim and anti-women/student/seniors.

They used the Trump phenomenon, and USAryans own once-every-four years teen spirit to viciously push their Israeli Rabbinical, White Exceptionalist, Clean Sweep, Zionist Likud, Elitist Weltseit, on a readership of (statistically) low-information, low-education, high self-opinion voters, readership who then proved that assessment with their quiet obeisance to Trump's choice of Goldmanim Finance and ReichsMarshall Defense National Security State ruination of them!

The Deplorables are doomed! The Flyovers are fucked! But they're happly little fuckers, I guess: they love their Bibi.

So I'm interested in what BB will do for an encore, in 2017, now that they have so many docile, loyal readers. Convert them to Crypto-Zionist Perpetual War worshippers? Into Deep State Satanists? I mean, there's nobody left to blame when the bottom falls out of the stock market, and housing market and promised pensions. What slight-of-hand shiney object will Breitbart use to redirect the Prols?

It's all on Republicans now, and that Bloviating Bunko (BB) Artist in Chief. Then I see BB desperately embracing moar anti-human demagoguery, moar Hatred of the Other, as their readership and their ad revenues begin to collapse. They'll be like Hitler at Stalingrad by next winter.

They'll push 'Terrorist' and 'Red State' memes more and more, their Zionist hatred of Blacks and brown minorities (except, oddly, the Hindus) will reach to KrystalNacht hysteria, until at some point, being no longer useful to The Chosen, the Breitbart H8 Machine will need another Pearl Harbor Event Hail-Mary, or simply cease to exist.

Then we can get back to daily MAGA news stories of the New Royals on Wall Street and the Pentagon, and Branson, Bezos and Musk pop-wow, a sort of bland, new Readers Digest of Trump schmuckery, a Ronald Reagan GE Theater panoply of 'New Technology breakthrus that will lead to a better future for us all!'

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 26, 2016 11:33:28 AM | 19

Introducing the Alt Right. http://wsenmw.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-alt-left-is-real-its-run-by-white.html

Posted by: rawdawgbugfalo | Dec 26, 2016 11:57:56 AM | 20

MERRY CHRISTMAS I can say that right? Keep up the thought crime

Posted by: rawdawgbugfalo | Dec 26, 2016 11:59:23 AM | 21

17

Got to be in the peanut-gallery to see Reagan's Space-Based Laser test blow a several-inch hole in some steel armor plate, where the facility and laser equipment was the size of a liquid-cooled **barn**, and was sucking down the entire power grid of Livermore, ...but yet none of those rocket scientists asking themselves, how will we launch a barn, how will we aim a barn at a target traveling 25,000mph and the relative size of an ant, how will we provide a couple megawatts of power per shot, and how will we keep the laser from melting into a glowing blob of plasma in the absolute non-radiating vacuum of space?

I pondered on all these things as we waited for the big blue-green 'Blam'. So I thought I'd be a wise-guy, since I was an aerospace laser technician at the time, and went up to one of those rocket scientists after, offering, "You know, if the target warhead has even a vapor-thin layer deposit of 24k gold plating, that laser beam will bounce right off!?"

Got my walking papers the next day, and a week later was wrestling boulders around piling for some waterfront maintenance contractor, lol, so let that be a lesson to you wise-guys. The Blue Team doesn't want to know what you think, only what their Cost-Plus is.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 26, 2016 12:08:26 PM | 22

RE: Grieved | Dec 26, 2016 10:34:05 AM | 16

I think that is a claim that must be substantiated before it can be believed. Taking out electronic systems on planes, ships, etc is one thing. Hitting an incoming warhead traveling at 17,000 mph is another, especially if it is traveling in a cluster of decoys.

MAD was replaced with SAD -- Self-Assured Destruction -- decades ago. Even a "successful" nuclear first-strike by the US or Russia is likely to cause the citizens of the "winning" side to die from starvation, as a result of the environmental consequences of that strike. See "Self-Assured Destruction: The climate impacts of nuclear war" http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/RobockToonSAD.pdf

The predictions in this article are based upon this peer-reviewed study done in 2007:
Robock, Alan, Luke Oman, and Georgiy L. Stenchikov, 2007: Nuclear winter revisited with a modern climate model and current nuclear arsenals: Still catastrophic consequences. J. Geophys. Res., 112, D13107, doi:2006JD008235.
http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/RobockNW2006JD008235.pdf (English)
http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/RobockNW2006JD008235Russian.pdf (Russian)

Peer-reviewed research is subject to international review for 6 months to a year, prior to publication in a journal. No serious errors were found in this research in the 9-10 years since its publication.

Posted by: Perimeter | Dec 26, 2016 12:45:49 PM | 23

Thanks to those posting and commenting on the sputnik link to Pepe Escobar's article above at #11. What struck me there was not only the main thrust of the article, but the introductory timeline with which the article begins.

"...By then Vladimir Putin, in 2000, had stepped onto the geopolitical stage. Only three years ago, Mikhail Gorbachev stressed Putin 'saved Russia from disintegration'..."

For Christmas reading, I accidentally took from the local library a book I've read before (they had reformatted the date due page - I thought it was a new acquisition.) "In Siberia" by Colin Thubron, published in 1999. As I re-read the account, the disintegration ordinary people in the west did not recognize we were the cause of is in every scene of the travel narrative. It was a terrible time for Russia, worse than any sanctions regime now and worse than what Communism did; western innovations were attacking the Russian soul, preventing its recovery from the horrors it had just escaped. The capitalist vultures had descended upon the corpse and were rending it as they have begun to rend our own communities since.

We didn't see it. We only thought, well, that's Russia. Doomed. We were so wrong.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 26, 2016 1:13:44 PM | 24

chipnik @ 22. Cost plus indeed, scare the public with BS, and rest assured, they'll throw money at you.

Case in point:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0

Posted by: ben | Dec 26, 2016 1:25:05 PM | 25

To 19: There you go again. Dissembling as usual. Sigh. Andrew Breitbart saw clearly the OWS were co-opted. And got lots of traction (and followers) outing Mossad-CIA lies, deceptions and limited hang-outs. Of the many reasons he was heart-attacked. And yes. Breitbart was taken over -- almost entirely -- by hasbara, sayanim and zio-scum. One wonders what Brannon was REALLY thinking. Was he biding his time? Coming to grips with reality? Cuz the last 5-10 years was the time of QUICKENING for many goyim. Was he a double agent behind enemy lines? We may see over the next few years.

By the fall of 2012 I stopped reading or posting on Breitbart. At that point the ZIO-team had totally taken over. And it's comment board was almost entirely paid trolls from Tel Aviv and brainwashed Xian fundies. Not even the fucking "B" team. Blaming EFFECT vs CAUSE. One didn't learn anything new or interesting. (BTW --This is the only site one actually reads posted articles...)

At a cursory glance, Breitbart has gotten marginally better. And its worth seeing how issues are created and addressed. And to observe the orchestrated shifts and conflicts. And to see the goys awakening and herded in various directions. Breitbart is simply a cattle-chute. So is this site. But the stock here grazes on non-GMO clover. And is MUCH tastier.

Posted by: Take Me | Dec 26, 2016 1:33:26 PM | 26

Scary stuff https://www.betterthancash.org/about . Go to "Latest News". Do these people seem a teeny bit too happy for you?

h/t twitter@RedKahina

Posted by: ruralito | Dec 26, 2016 1:41:00 PM | 27

@26: "But the stock here grazes on non-GMO clover. And is MUCH tastier."

And some of the stock here, sometimes, waters "upstream from the herd."

Posted by: ben | Dec 26, 2016 1:52:16 PM | 28

Will the truth about Aleppo start to come out:

Carla Ortiz tells truth about Syria on CNN

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Dec 26, 2016 2:16:54 PM | 29

i was posting in 'stealth' mode, but realized no one would respond if i kept it up!

Posted by: james | Dec 26, 2016 2:29:35 PM | 30

The German elite are finishing what Hitler started: Götterdämmerung

Deutschland on the Eve of 2017

Germans (or rather West Germans) have been told for decades that, ABOVE ALL THINGS, a new Third Reich has to be prevented! So all aspects of nationalism or even patriotism are bad, because patriotism can lead to chauvinism, which leads to Fascism, which leads to Auschwitz, and Auschwitz must never happen again! It’s nearly a religious cult we have built around the Third Reich.

Whenever somebody is to be destroyed (socially), you must only hint that he’s thinking or saying something which was also said in the Third Reich. Very effective! A German writer once called this behavior the Nazi-Keule, the “Nazi bludgeon.” If you criticize Jews, Israel, foreigners, immigration or if you say that German policy should focus on Germans, etc., you will get clubbed with the Nazi bludgeon.

This cult of Nazis, Auschwitz or the Third Reich is NOT to be critically debated! It is a taboo and, funnily enough, just like in a primitive society, everybody knows and fears the taboo while pretending it doesn’t exist. Interesting.

So the feeling of national unity has been erased, and completely absent in younger people. Germans would rather let their society slip into chaos than accused of being Nazis.

Mindfucked, we are submitting completely to avoid trouble, just as Germans submitted to Hitler back then.

What's really ironic is that most Germans don't understand that by denying that migrants are a problem, they are being the same old Germans, as conformist as Germans were under Hitler.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 26, 2016 2:34:55 PM | 31

Don't imagine for one moment that the silence here by most on Trump's meddling and attempted sabotage of the U.N. Resolution condemning Israeli illegal settlements isn't deafening and glaring. You are not speaking truth to power by sweeping this despicable act under the rug and pretending Trump is different and not a Zionist puppet which he has already proven he is. If you fail to criticize him for doing this than you are enabling ZionistNeocon policy. Since Trump meddled with this Resolution personally calling Egypt's al-sissy and twittering his veiled threat against the U.N., he gave wings to every Zionist think-tank quack, every Zionist ass-kisser in Congress and King Netanyahu and his dimwit Dorknob Ambassador to threaten and trash: the U.N., the countries who voted for the Resolution and the Palestinians. And this isn't the first time an Administration abstained OR vote YES against Israel, but Trump's blatant manipulation enabled Zionists to pretend that U.S. abstention is shocking and unprecedented

What Trump has done is indefensible and yet many of you are avoiding commenting, purposely ignoring this or shying away from it because it exposes Trump for the Zionist stooge he really is. It seems the Kool-Aid has still not worn off. So it's not enough that he shows you exactly who he is in words and actions. It's not enough that he appoints Zionist Wall Street sharks to his cabinet. It's not enough that he appoints a radical, extremist Zionist as Ambassador to Israel? It's not enough that he wants to relocate the embassy to Jerusalem and already declares Jerusalem the capital of Zionism.

So the day he sets up hi-tech missile defense in NATO Eastern European countries; will you finally see him for who he really is? That day doesn't need to arrive--the writing on the wall already, but Trump can do no wrong apparently.

Will you continue to be silent on his cabinets picks, and his empowerment of Zionism? Or will you continue to enable this Neo con-artist?

Posted by: Circe | Dec 26, 2016 2:49:03 PM | 32

Wow - I can't believe I missed this bit of Doom Porn back in September! From NEO:

Cynthia: Flesh-Eating Synthetic Bacteria that has Gone Wild

"...One could recall that back in April 2010 an explosion at a British Petroleum oil rig resulted in millions of barrels of oil contaminating the Gulf of Mexico. Despite the drastic measures taken to prevent an environmental catastrophe, an oil slick produced by the Deepwater Horizon oil spill covered over sixty thousand square miles.

As one of the means of addressing the environmental catastrophe on their hands, Washington decided to take drastic measures, regardless of the possible consequences of those actions. It was at that time when an artificially created microorganism nicknamed Cynthia was unleashed, without any kind of examination of the possible threat it may pose to the environment..."

In short, their synthetic franken-bacteria called Cynthia mutated (as bacteria are bound to do) and some strains now prefer flesh instead of oil. And apparently they are hungry little beasties - just wonderful!.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 26, 2016 2:51:55 PM | 33

#31:

no worry, soon they will be won over to a Final Solution to the Immigrant Question...

Posted by: ralphieboy | Dec 26, 2016 3:12:22 PM | 34

Chipnik #22 - I was one of those scientists, though not high enough the chain to be of concern. Just so you know, the actual, real scientists (ie, the ones not running things, as you can't stay real if you start running) were having belly-full of laughs at some of the crazy concepts bundled about. They were laughing even as they were inventing more such themselves and giving great PPT talks on why size and power don't matter so much (the idea being - just to give you a hint - that the future is always "brighter"). Much less cost (which can always be "managed" with clever Excel tricks).

Ah, those were the days!

Seeing how some chickens are coming home to roost in the form of the problem-plagued F35 for example (which is, basically, typical) is entertaining in a sad kind of way (in a Battle of the Roses series on PBS kind of way. Enlightenment-through-disgust-kind of way).

Posted by: Merlin2 | Dec 26, 2016 3:34:36 PM | 35

That's HUGE... A CNN correspondent telling the world that the poor Bana is the child of terrorists using her!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoL_Vu5Oqy0&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: Mina | Dec 26, 2016 4:04:06 PM | 36

May I have another helping of Cost-Plus with my Zionism, please.

Posted by: fast freddy | Dec 26, 2016 4:05:33 PM | 37

sorry, she's not journo but filmmaker, i was so suprised they let her talk i thought she was a correspondent

Posted by: Mina | Dec 26, 2016 4:12:36 PM | 38

the Saudi side of Hegelian .....

Saudi Arabia launches campaign to collect funds for Syrians displaced by war
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-saudi-idUSKBN14F13D

Outsiders created this problem and outsiders work to solve it ... on their terms of course. I wonder what the Saudi solution to Yemen is beyond Abadi-al Qaeda running things and the Houthi slaughtered. Do the Saudis have any comprehension of what real aid is beyond US TOW missiles and Brazilian cluster bombs?

Posted by: Curtis | Dec 26, 2016 4:31:25 PM | 39

@29 tobin, same link as @36 mina.. thanks both.. yeah, that is a bit refreshing. i might have to revise my viewpoint on the msm if that is allowed to happened more often..

@ 32 circe... no one has to say anything about that, as you are hammering away on it on every thread.. all good, but don't confuse folks silence as anything more then a willingness to entertain any number of possibilities, including the thought trump is in the zionists back pocket..

Posted by: james | Dec 26, 2016 4:32:36 PM | 40

@39 curtis.. i saw the other day saudi arabia has a budget deficit of 30-40 odd billion, so i can understand there concern about perpetuating 'wahabbism' some way some how.. they would probably like folks to pay to relocate their headchoppers anywhere other then back to saudi arabia where many of them come from too.. saudi arabia is going down and it can't happen soon enough..

Posted by: james | Dec 26, 2016 4:35:26 PM | 41

Grace, graciousness, and generosity of the spirit will always win - against even the most deceitful of enemies
https://www.rt.com/news/371884-alexandrov-choir-performing-america/

Posted by: GoraDiva | Dec 26, 2016 4:48:31 PM | 42

from Syrper
"It horrifies me to tell you that the foreign spies who were holed up in Aleppo were allowed to leave with the other terrorist evacuees. This was a deal struck by the Russians and Iranians in in spite of the SAA’s objections. As you know, 100+ Syrian soldiers were murdered by the terrorists even though they were hostages over whom the SAA conditioned any evacution. I am deeply ashamed to have to tell you this. It’s not a happy day for us."
Read more at http://syrianperspective.com/2016/12/saa-dismantles-2-tons-of-explosives-in-a-rigged-truck-in-aleppo-the-foreign-terrorist-enablers-were-allowed-to-leave-aleppo-in-deal.html#TAduQ7VQEeP9rqbr.99

Posted by: Mina | Dec 26, 2016 5:10:26 PM | 43

@Mina | Dec 26, 2016 5:10:26 PM | 43

Thanks searching high and low couldn't find if the rats escaped.
Did not go to Ziad Fadel website.... just posted an hr ago.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 26, 2016 5:18:22 PM | 44

@Mina | Dec 26, 2016 5:10:26 PM | 43

Thanks searching high and low couldn't find if the rats escaped.
Did not go to Ziad Fadel website.... just posted an hr ago.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 26, 2016 5:18:23 PM | 45

there are those who want peace, and there are those who want to profit off war (thru the use of propaganda, instruments of death and etc).. it's pretty clear who is who here..

Posted by: james | Dec 26, 2016 5:21:23 PM | 46

sorrie double posts, push the wrong key.

Dr. Bashar al-Jaafari Syria permanent UN Representative stated clearly they will not escapes, now make him look like a fool?

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 26, 2016 5:22:41 PM | 47

Thanks @29 & Mina for posting the CNN link - hard to believe that MSM would let that through (not sure Mina why it matters whether Ortiz is a journalist or a filmmaker - as long as she's telling the truth). She confirms what the other two journalists had said about Aleppo... Interesting that only women seem to be reporting from Aleppo - where are all those courageous MSM guys? Hiding under the bed somewhere...

Posted by: GoraDiva | Dec 26, 2016 5:24:51 PM | 48

Be sure to put this into your 2017 Wayback Machine, before the CIA takes it down under the Portman-Murphy Counter-Propaganda Bill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States You say GreNAda, I say GreNAHda, lol.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 26, 2016 5:29:02 PM | 49

Breitbart was a shill for Wall Street You are freaks and animals!

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 26, 2016 5:45:43 PM | 50

I thought they wouldnt dare to cut their own correspondent but would do it if the guest said embarrassing stuff
Recent developments:
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/253880/World/Region/Syria-army,-civilians-reclaim-ruined-Aleppo-street.aspx

Posted by: Mina | Dec 26, 2016 5:49:03 PM | 51

For the foreign mercs we'll never know for sure but who would like to see planes going down everyday?

Posted by: Mina | Dec 26, 2016 5:51:26 PM | 52

Here is one of a number of reasons your education was limited: https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/25/a-seminole-christmas-gift-of-freedom/

It explains why MSM has been believed for so long (and still is) ... propaganda from the beginning and rarely challenged ... Taylor as hero? Almost as bad as Obama as president!

What democracy?

Posted by: rg the lg | Dec 26, 2016 5:53:11 PM | 53

@16 grieved, '"Russia is now stronger than any potential aggressor - anyone"'

I think what Putin is saying is that Russia's ability to retaliate for aggression is greater than anyone else's. He has stressed this point most recently in his annual news conference and elsewhere previously.

According to Putin, when the the USA abandoned START III in pursuit of anti-missile defense the choice to Russia was either to do the same, or to increase it's offensive missile capability to offset the US' attempted anti-missile defense. It was/is very expensive to pursue anti-missile defense, so the Russians chose instead to increase their offensive capability. And that's what they have done. The offensive missiles coming on line with multiple, maneuverable supersonic warheads will not be stopped by any anti-missile system. So the strength of Russia against any potential aggressor lies in traditional MAD terms, not in anti-missile defense.

Since the SALT III talk breakdown due to the US' abrogation of the anti-missile treaty Russia's R&D capabilities and production capabilities have improved, and with S400 and S500 systems have apparently surpassed the US' capabilities in anti-missile defense. But the reason "Russia is now stronger than any potential aggressor - anyone" is it's nuclear offensive capability. Not it's ability to defend itself from a nuclear attack.

The difference is very important. The US was/is trying to attain first-strike capability with its anti-missile defense system ... that is the ability to destroy its victim without suffering its own destruction. The Russian response was to make sure this was impossible, and Putin asserts it was attained: in the event of an attack on Russia, Russia will destroy its attacker. Russia considers an attack on Russia, nuclear or otherwise, to be an attack on Russia.

So Russia - while working for the best anti-missile systems it is capable of - places no faith in a first-strike capability by any aggressor, or by itself. Russia does rely on the deterrent value of mutually assured destruction.

That is the way I read Vladimir Putin's repeated public pronouncements, at any rate.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 26, 2016 5:53:31 PM | 54

35 Merlin2

Livermore was wonderful in those days, it really was heaven, you just flash the badge and say you want to see the 'Big Blam!'

So I'll tell you a story that will make you laugh. Got to SCali way long time ago, had a surfer friend who worked at JPL, was it, in Pasadena? Anyway, we left Rincon Beach in the afternoon and got to JPL in the evening, boards still on the truck, he flashes his card to the guard, and we're in! We walk down these long sterile white halls and he stops in front of a janitor's closet.
I'm thinking, I gotta get outta here before I end up in Gitmo!

He's just laughing, and here is this converted geek closet with joysticks and wall padding and monitor. Remember, this is before the MacIntosh, so my jaw drops. He says, 'We are tied into the JPL mainframe, let's play a game." On the screen was the whole solar system, and two orbiting triangular shapes. He says, 'Hit your (I forget which) button!" Little dots flew out the back of my triangle, and I slipped into an accelerating elliptical orbit around the sun.

They he says, 'Hit the (other) button', and a single dot shot out of the front, gravitationally warped in real time around a nearby planet. 'OK, that's it,' he says, 'You shoot me, or I shoot you, or we fall out of orbit into the sun and die.' And for the rest of the night, 8 straight hours, right there in some geek-convert janitor's closet in JPL, on JPLs Apollo computer, we played solar-system-level real-time gravimetric-orbiting Star Wars, long before that lame-ass Asteroids playgame console version came out. "Come on, let's play Asteroids!" FOAD!

So by the time I got to Livermore for SBL, I knew it was all a Big Joke, but forgot that you aren't allowed to Speak the Truth to Cost-Plus, and now I probably WILL get Gitmo'd under the Portman-Murphy Counter-Propaganda Bill.

Oh, and another joke from Berkeley Lab, Reagan's Hypersonic Space Plane, remember that one? They spent all the budget money on computer simulations of wavefronts and from that, to developing computer-graphic software for virtual reality! Remember VRML? Did anyone live in VRML-Land? We thought that would be huge, like 3D TVs. So that's where all the $10sBs went, that were tagged for Reagan's Hypersonic Space Plane, because everyone, of course, realized how absurd every program Reagan Star Wars promoted was, and who is watching the $s? I think they re-programmed HSP into some different name. SMDC is famous for relabeling out-of-funds projects. Then Congress got a hair up and demanded they actually field a SCRAM or get defunded. I think the test vehicle was about 15-feet long, so fairly crowded for commercial air travel, lol.

That was what, TEN YEARS AGO, and HSPII is still being funded!

Then I got on the Patriot Test Program, ...hold on, someone's at the front door...lol.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 26, 2016 6:18:33 PM | 55

@32 circe, @40 james

i go along with james on this one. you have absolutely killed the tee-rump/zionist connection, with nothing left for any of us to say on the matter.

as far as 'enabling' the neo-con artists: they've been their own enablers forever - they control the background media. we cannot escape their drone without simply destroying their control of the msm.

there are - what, 5? or 6 - media companies that control the media. simple application of existing anti-trust/anti-monoply laws would break that up. the fault is not in the laws, but in ourselves.

and of course in addition to their drone they control t-h-e drones and all the actual like.

we can organize and seize power. we have not done so. all the talk in the world, moa included, pales in the face of reality.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 26, 2016 6:20:35 PM | 56

@ jfl
US ABM seem to rely on direct hit with a projectile, whereas Russian systems, including S500?, have proximity burst nuke warhead.
Soviet systems protecting Moscow were nuke, and I suspect S500 also has this capability.

Posted by: Peter AU | Dec 26, 2016 6:46:24 PM | 57

@57 Peter AU

that may or may not be the case ... but the fact of the matter is as Putin points out: an aggressor nation attacking Russia is assured of its own destruction.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 26, 2016 6:59:57 PM | 58

6 minute video on immigration policy in the usa at present... called 'Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs"..

Posted by: james | Dec 26, 2016 7:15:30 PM | 59

I've seen an argument that Rump is stacking his administration with crazed zionists as a way of calling Israel's bluff. Well that's how Putin operates (if you assume he's not just being a total cynic and playing for a piece of the pie), so perhaps Trump has picked this idea from him. Not sure I believe it.

Posted by: paul | Dec 26, 2016 7:32:33 PM | 60

@jfl and james

I'm bringing up the Zionism/Trump connect repeatedly, because most of you are totally ignoring the fact that the Trump administration is going to be the most dangerous globally to ever rule the AngloZionist empire and this should be addressed. And it's a false narrative to presume that no one else can address an issue if someone else adresses it repeatedly, as other issues are addressed repeatedly by individuals and then discussed by others as well. One does not disqualify the other; this too is an excuse not to be critical of Trump.

Several signs that he is dangerous are already there and you still refuse to address them and criticize him.

Zionist goebbel indoctrination is extremely damaging and Trump will reverse all hard-fought progress made exposing the Zionist agenda in the past few years starting with exposure of the Lobby by W & M and all efforts on the web since and all hard-earned at snail's pace given the monumental ignorance of the American masses and power that Zionism wields over the media and Washington.

Right now Zionist damage control countering the U.N. Resolution is happening everywhere with shameless, glaring, vomit-inducing force-feed propaganda and no comment here.

CNN is giving Israel's Ron dorkmer and doucheDershwitz all the time in the world to spew unchallenged their Zioabsolutist deception and Ziogoebbel hasbara.

Zionist propaganda has taken over Trump's mouthpiece, Breitbart News, like flies to turd. You'd think you were reading Jerusalem Post. Even Alex Jones' site is afflicted. Sign of yet more goebbel Zionist hasbara infection of the masses to come. The way is being paved for the new all-in Zionist administration so the media mendacity dosage is already being ramped up even on the web.

If Trump had not intervened to try to sabotage the Resolution condemning illegal settlements, he wouldn't have removed all doubt that he is a Zionist stooge and gatekeeper from the moment Adelson greased his palm and probably before with Friedman on his left and Kurshner on his right, and Bolton in his ear.

The minute he bothered to call al-sissy to sabotage the Resolution he showed who his masters are. There is no doubt that we are witnessing the beginning of Ziofascism's complete takeover with Trump opening the floodgates to that end.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 26, 2016 7:39:47 PM | 61

@ james # 59 who provide a link to the immigration situation that specified that 3-5 billion folks in various nations make less than $2/day

And then if you go back up to the comment by ruralito #27 who gave us a link to the UN associated group "Betterthancash.org you would see more about the current effort to get the people in all those countries and more to switch to a totally digital form of money.....in their words to reduce poverty and drive inclusive growth.

How are those folks making less than $2/day going to afford the new cashless world economy that will provide control over the rest of us that do?

Thanks to both commenters for their contribution of truth which George Orwell wrote is treason in an empire of lies.

There is not a cosmetic fix to our problems. We need structural change in our form of social organization and (beating my drum again) the change that we need is to eliminate private finance and neuter the holdings of those that currently own it through unfettered inheritance. Only then, IMO, can we have social incentives that are not centered around the God of Mammon religion.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26, 2016 8:16:12 PM | 62

@ Circe who continues to attack people and concepts instead of real things like private finance and the laws of unfettered inheritance.

Sometimes I think you are an agnotology troll.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26, 2016 8:19:24 PM | 63

@ Circe again

People are real but they come and go...it is the institutions and laws that stick around for centuries.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26, 2016 8:20:34 PM | 64

Enjoy the time off with family B . . . . . God knows you've earned it !!

Posted by: KiwiCris | Dec 26, 2016 8:29:46 PM | 65

Given the amount of TruthCrime™ committed here at this site on a regular basis, the following news while not surprising, is alarming nonetheless. Anyone familiar with Barry'O's war on freedom via the NDAA (signed into law, by Barry'O some years ago, just before midnight on the NYE) knows it's that time of year again.

This time though, included in this latest renewing of the NDAA by Barry'O is something called the Countering Information Warfare Act of 2016 (S. 2692) .

We can only imagine the '200' are well set within the crosshairs.

It is an alarming, but ultimately weak, response to having the Empires' multiple narratives being caught and torn apart by the power of alternate narratives - and quite often, not always, these alternate narratives simply author nothing more than the truth, or a more complete picture drawn from reality.

Instead of taking a good look at itself an maybe admitting real reform is required, Empire gets the big stick out...again. I bet the outgoing establishment are delighted they slipped one through before Trump declares war on NYT, WaPo, CNN etc etc.

US corporate media, now the media wing of the outgoing establishment, had a good 3 decades headstart on the world to shape their realities without opposition. Now they have been caught and their realities exposed they are shitting themselves. You'd think with that headstart they'd be better prepared than to bring simply out the censor. Laughable. Weak.

They should have learnt from the collapse of the Soviet Empire that full state control doesn't work.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 26, 2016 8:31:44 PM | 66

@63,64

First of all, I'm attacking an ideology Zionism and the gatekeepers that run everything that matters in the seat of power. Secondly people run institutions, create laws, diminish rights and protect supremacist, fascist ideologies or tyranny in the form of policy. You can't ask an inanimate thing to change itself. People are responsible for what happens and for preventing positive change, for muzzling the truth. You can identify what needs to be eliminated, but PEOPLE need to make it happen; therefore my criticism of silence. Okay?

Posted by: Circe | Dec 26, 2016 9:01:40 PM | 67

not a Trump apologist
1. may diminish conflict with Russia
2. rattle stick at China to balance trade, hopefully not aggressive
3. pro Israel--they may end up with a majority islamic state if they don't expel a bunch of people
4. Iran seems like a tough nut to crack, the neo-cons may dream

Posted by: Jay M | Dec 26, 2016 9:02:06 PM | 68

@67 Sorry but I find your posts tiresome. Most of us here probably agree with what you say but why keep berating us? Wouldn't your energy be better used enlightening the ignorant masses?

Posted by: dh | Dec 26, 2016 9:26:45 PM | 69

57

Patriot relies on acquiring the ICBM target using deeply-chilled infra-red sensors, like you might try to read a book by faint starlight, then Patriot destroys it by kinetic impact with an EKV, a steerable cube of gas jets developed for NASAs Space Shuttle then re-purposed and re-profited for Defense Star Wars. But wait, a MIRV-ing ICBM contains multiple black-chromium-oxide coated warheads (therefore are invisible in infrared), and each on it's own multiple inbound trajectory. Which one do you hit? Sigh.

Patriot missed 100% of it's first test attempts, so those ingenious Cost-Plus'ers came up with a reverse-psychology solution to demand, 'The tests weren't hard enough! We need decoys too!'. Well, those 'decoys' were huge white inflatable balloons, as bright as a full moon, so sure, the Patriot smoked the decoy and final-stage debris, alright. But once it's MIRV'd, you got nothing!!
Bush the Lesser deployed Patriot as soon as those gamed 'decoy' interception tests reached a 50% hit-to-kill ratio threshold.

The Russians and Chinese know this. It's a game.

Here's what it will look like, at night, if you've never seen it: A Patriot will flame up into the sky and disappear in a plume of glowing smoke. Then nothing, ...wait for it, wait for it. Then a faint smudge of light as the EKV impacts the final stage, but moments later, a greenish glow, growing brighter, a pale plasma ball that separates into multiple arcing florescent green streaks arcing down into the atmosphere like tracer bullets, ...1-2-3 impact, then far in the distance, rising golden fireballs. Some long time later, you hear their rumbling impact: boom, ba-boom, ba-boom, BOOM, ba-boom, boom ... boom, like distant thunder.

That would be the MIRV'd nukes that the Patriot missed, ...but your eyes would already have melted out of their sockets, anyway.
Like their phony North Korea 'Threat(TM)', Patriot is just another version of the $3.5 TRILLION F-35. Won't fly. Doesn't matter!
I want some slave women for my Cold War Peace Dividend! I want some booty and prime farm lands with my Y2K and my Yellow Cake!!

Next Trump will loot our SS and MC to pay for 'The Wall' aka National Police State, and the Fed Interest-Only Forever bleed-out, while spreading vicious Elitist psyop about 'entitlements' and 'immigrants', 'deadbeat students' and all the 'indigent elderly'.
It's a comin'!! It's a comin'!! L-25 and counting.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 26, 2016 9:39:13 PM | 70

Circe @61:

... most of you are totally ignoring the fact that the Trump administration is going to be the most dangerous ...
>> We hear about the dangers of DT from MSM so your rant makes no sense.

>> You are clearly speculating about what DT will or won't do but you dress it up as "fact".

>> Your hyperbole is troll-like.

>> Labeling powerful opponents as Zionists and weak opponents as anti-Semites is a Hasbara trick, isn't it? Where were all the charges of "Zionist!!" when Obama announced his cabinet and signed weapons deals with Israel? When he went easy on ISIS? When he wouldn't fully implement the peace deal with Iran (was it really a peace deal or a means of delaying conflict until after the Syrian conflict?)?

>> We don't really know what happened with that UN vote. Netanyahu is now saying that Obama was behind the whole thing. But why would foreign leaders follow Obama's lead when he is leaving in less than a month? Now they will incur the wrath of both Israel AND the Trump Administration? I think there is much that we don't yet know.

May I suggest the following (note: speculative):

1) The strategic arrangement described by Sy Hersh in the "The Redirection", was driven and promoted by Israel because they didn't want the US to supply nuclear capabilities to Saudi Arabia (which sought them to counter Iran's capability).

2) Part of the strategic deal was to handle the "Palestinian issue" - but Israel used the Syrian fighting and Saudi support to squeeze the Palestinians more tightly. Netanyahu continued to build settlements instead of seeking a reasonable accomodation.

3) One of the requirements of the Sunni's for ceasing their support of extremists is that the West tackle the Palestinian issue.

4) It's politically impossible for Netanyahu to address the issue without pressure from the international community.

5) All of Netanyahu, Obama, Trump, et al AGREED that the matter should be addressed before Trump takes office. They want a clean slate for the new administration wrt US-Israeli relations.

6) The strange "dance" we saw wrt this UN vote was engineered to give every party as much cover as possible in their preferred positioning.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 26, 2016 10:06:01 PM | 71

@67 Circe
I dont think anyone is disputing what you're preaching, nothing is beyond zionist scum. Next thing we'll be reading is that (((they))) invented the internet. But, in all fairness you're probably turning more people off with your OTT approach...an approach that could be likened to an aggressive Jehovah's Witness selling their gospel every second day.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 26, 2016 10:10:54 PM | 72

Re: Posted by: Mina | Dec 26, 2016 5:10:26 PM | 4

I'm not sure why the Russians & Iranians would do this?? It makes no sense. If this is true then the Russians only have themselves to blame for getting the Alexandrov choir blown up. Why give up hostages so easily that prevent The West undertaking these sort of terrorist actions???

It makes no sense and it happens time and time again.

The West just laughs at their acceptance that they will get some of their planes blown up.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 26, 2016 10:37:21 PM | 73

follow-up @71

To clarify: "preferred position" in this case is essentially public position - not necessarily an indication of what their actual position may be.

Obama's support for this resolution masks what has generally been a pro-Israel administration (as I explained @71). IMO the Obama-Netanyaho conflict has largely been manufactured. Obama gets a "legacy" win - which he desperately needed to continue the con be relevant after he leaves office.

Trump's pro-Israel stance gives him credibility to demand concessions during his term.

Each got a "win" for something that was inevitable.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 26, 2016 11:16:07 PM | 74

@ Julian who asked why Russia was in any way complacent in responding to West bullying.

I don't want to be too crude about it but private finance of the West has Russia by the financial balls......

I keep hoping that changes as part of the coming/existing geopolitical "adjustment" but knowing the results is above my pay grade.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26, 2016 11:17:33 PM | 75

Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26, 2016 11:17:33 PM | 75

True - but in this situation I'm not sure why they couldn't have held these cretins hostage for 6 weeks, exposed Obama's treachery by parading them to the cameras and then on top of that had 'negotiations' with the new Trump Administration and given Trump a big foreign policy win in his first week in office???

Why not?

It would also have given Trump political capital to spend with several allies - and quite possibly prevented the Alexandrov choir getting blown up and the Russian Ambassador getting assassinated.

Why wouldn't they do this? It was incredibly obvious to anyone who thought about it for two seconds.

It annoys me more than anything that they've given this bargaining chip away to Obama when they could have instead waited and used it with Trump - and they would have for sure got a far better return using it with Trump than Obama.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 26, 2016 11:25:33 PM | 76

@ Julian # 76

Do we know for certain that the "hostages" have all been let go?

I think that there is a lot going on that us pond scum (me, not you) are not aware of in the geopolitical realm......history will be written by the winners....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26, 2016 11:40:13 PM | 77

This is what Dr. Bashar Jaafari Syrian permanent Representative to the UN have to say..

Published on Dec 19, 2016....He also names those foreign military and intelligence officers which are surrounded by the Syrian Arab Army in Eastern Aleppo - among them officers of Israeli, Saudi, Turkish, U.S, Jordanian, Moroccan origin. Speech by Bashar Ja'afari, Permanent Representative of the Syrian Arab Republic to the United Nations. Security Council Media Stakeout, 19 December 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWrbVknEO4A

Posted by: Jac Smith | Dec 26, 2016 11:44:25 PM | 78

anondooronron @3:
" "All US offensive missiles and stealth aircraft as it stands are rendered useless." Hype? Would someone care to comment?"

I've heard that stealth aircraft stick out like dogs' balls when scanned by over-the-horizon radar. The Aussies would track stealth bombers, on the way to Guam during the first Gulf War, using JORN. US points of contact would try to deny the flights, when first asked about them but, heh ... dogs' balls, dude.

Wikipedia mentions JORN in that general capacity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_aircraft

So what? Well, Russia has its own OTR:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/konteyner.htm

If Container ("Konteyner") is working, and working well, then that might account for some of the bravado from Moscow.

Posted by: John Smith | Dec 27, 2016 12:06:30 AM | 79

@71

You are clearly speculating about what DT will or won't do but you dress it up as "fact".

His freaking cabinet is made up of MIC, Wall Street Zionists, Washington Insiders and one of the most radical settlement enablers you can find - then he uses twitter to demand the present administration veto the only authentic act the Obama administration had the spine not to veto and he calls al-sissy to sabotage it and he makes twitter comments and an unprecedented phone call with Taiwan to antagonize and threaten China. These are called FACTS. Speculation is what you do pretending Trump is Jesus Christ walking on water and speculating that when he's President he'll raise the dead. And don't bother; it's an analogy for exactly how you see him and how much effort you put into excusing the facts that prove him to be the opposite by turning them into twisted pretzels.

FYI the MSM is a reflection of the two party monopoly; when it comes to Zioconism - they're all on the same page. When it comes to differences in left/right political ideologies they have their preferences. But all the mainstream left, right and centre in the U.S. are Zionist gatekeepers; that is their common departure.

Netanyahu is saying Obama was behind the whole thing to make Trump look honest beside Obama's supposed dishonesty. In fact for once in his Presidency Obama did not obstruct justice and did the right thing. And frankly I care squat if he had his legacy in mind; I care only about justice and the rule of law for the victims of Zionism. Meanwhile Trump went behind the scenes with Egypt's sissy to sabotage the Resolution. That's a fact and it's more than clear why he did it.

Lemme explain this for the 100th time: I have nothing good to say about that Zionist ass-kisser, Obama, got it? I know he's Trump LEFT; I hated his picks; I was trouncing him on Huffpo the moment he was elected; so stop using this to make my motives look suspicious. I have only one goal: Zionism's demise; because it corrupts and destroys everything it touches.

There is nothing ulterior about this Resolution. Trump made clear already where he stands on Israel, a position that represents a monumental injustice; therefore the countries that voted for it, Russia included, by the way, wanted to send a message to Trump before he takes office; that they disagree with his position on recognizing Jerusalem as Zionism's capital; that they disagree with his choice of a rabid illegal settlement enabler as Ambassador to Israel, a lunatic who thinks Gaza should be part of Egypt and the Bantustans left for Palestinians on the West Bank should be governed by Jordan. You bet they want his hands tied, because the Geneva Conventions are Law and he wants to help Zionists circumvent the Law which will perpetuate conflict. This Resolution makes clear where everyone stands on the issue; that the pre-67 borders are the legal limit and Zionist expansion beyond that is ILLEGAL. So what does Trump do in response? He twitters a veiled threat against the U.N. like a spoiled brat who needs to get his way, when the U.N. didn't even propose the Resolution, it was New Zealand, Senegal, Venezuela and Malaysia that tabled the Resolution after Trump succeeded in getting Sissy to help him sabotage it probably by threatening to hold back funding.

Using Ad Hom like calling someone a troll, when I've made good fact-based points, is a sign of a weak argument on your part and cheap shot to diminish someone's credibility. FYI, one of my comments on the Saker site was selected by the moderator as a discussion article.

Trump's pro-Israel stance gives him credibility to demand concessions during his term

Bullshit. He clearly stated in his twitter that the Resolution is UNFAIR for Israelis. Goebbel hasbara pretends that the U.N. has no say on illegal settlements; that the parties must go through the charade of the peace process, when the peace process is but a scam to swindle Palestinians out of what is legally theirs. Trump is fine with Zionists trying to con the Palestinians because that's what Trump does better than anyone CON as in Trump U con and other scams; and that's why Zionists, especially the radical ones like Netanyahu and the settler movement are panting for Trump to assume the Presidency; because he's just the man they need for the snowjob they're planning.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 1:27:02 AM | 80

@68

3. pro Israel--they may end up with a majority islamic state if they don't expel a bunch of people

The legal term is ethnic cleansing. Yes, that's what Zionists plan to do AGAIN; they did it in '48, '67 and they're probably devising a plan to get rid of several hundred thousand to a million Palestinians maybe more so they can have their racist, supremacist, fascist Jewish-only state on land they stole all for themselves. They tried to get rid of them through collective punishment in the form of periodic massacres (there's a list), then invasions of Gaza and before that refugee camps in the West Bank and of course deprivation through collective punishment, including all other forms of oppression like the Wall, the hundreds of checkpoints and other harassment like home demolitions, illegal imprisonment, and other exploitation, but the Palestinians are more resilient than they imagined. So now they have to devise a solution that's more in keeping with the true supremacist nature of Zionism, more Nazi-like.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 2:11:21 AM | 81

Circe @80

I think most at MoA are cautiously optimistic about Trump.

We have strong indications that Trump doesn't want war with Russia and is opposed to Muslim extremism. This is not consistent with the Zionist-Wahhabi efforts for re-making the middle-east (using extremists as a weapon of state).

Yet you are certain that Trump is an uber-Zionist.

Trump has certainly given us some cause for concern but at the same time it appears that Zionists were rather upset by Trump's win. In fact, Hillary got MUCH MORE money from Zionist/neocon/establishment sources than did Trump.

I have no doubt that MoA readers will react with anger and disgust if Trump proves to be the lying, two-faced bastard that you claim he is. Until we have more clarity, however, your obsessive insistence that MoA-ers climb on board the anti-Trump bandwagon RIGHT NOW! naturally raises questions about YOU.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 27, 2016 2:45:42 AM | 82

anondooronron 3

low frequency long range radar detects stealth aircraft. Stealth aircraft are designed to give small frontal radar signature to targeting radar. Radar looking from the side is another matter. With overlapping targeting radar, one will always get a look at the side.

Strategic - while the US has spent trillions to shock and awe the natives in various parts of the empire, Russia has quietly modernised its strategic defence/offence capabilities.
ICBM's with manoeuvring warheads that cannot be hit and SAM systems capable of stopping US cold war era missiles that travel in a ballistic trajectory.
Russia is now a generation ahead on strategic weapons systems.

Posted by: Peter AU | Dec 27, 2016 3:38:35 AM | 83

Amanita mucaria dried in the sun for ten days. Ferment a mead. Once primary fermentation done grind up dried amanita and mix into mead so that secondary fermenters get to work. After three days ready.

Posted by: pubumwei | Dec 27, 2016 3:43:25 AM | 84

@82 "I think most at MoA are cautiously optimistic about Trump.

We have strong indications that Trump doesn't want war with Russia and is opposed to Muslim extremism."

The man says whatever he thinks people need to hear at the moment. That is a good way to be a successful businessman and close a deal, but that approach in politics, especially international diplomacy, can only lead to problems.

Even in my most optimistic moments, I realize things will have to get a lot worse before anything can get better.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Dec 27, 2016 4:10:13 AM | 85

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 27, 2016 2:45:42 AM | 82

Could be that your analysis is based on invalid assumptions. Like US interest groups being the same as Israeli interest groups.

As far as I can see, the same industry is back in power that backed the Bush Iraq war. They lost a lot of money during the war on terror so they will try something else.

From what I hear there is a Russian offer for cooperation.

Neocon policies began to fail when they did not manage regime change in Iran. That predated the "Arab Spring". They have failed now with Russia entering the Syrian war. And with the end of the plans of "energy independence" for Europe.

An empire has to be able to grant peace. If they can't that is the end of empire.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 27, 2016 4:10:31 AM | 86

@82

We have strong indications that Trump doesn't want war with Russia

Maybe not war with Russia, because there are no doubt sticks and carrots with strings; and continuing financial tyranny which Congress just extended without a peep from Trump; and yet he commented and tried to meddle in the U.N. Resolution, but not a word on financial tyranny against Russia or legislation on Russian propaganda sites. Trump is also indicating nuclear and missile defense escalation.

Just because he's opposed to Muslim extremism doesn't mean he opposes Zionist extremism as he appointed a radical Zionist Ambassador. Also, most Zionists are Islamophobes and so is Trump. There's a lot of political ideology they share.

Oh please, who cares if Hillary was Plan A and Trump Plan B or vice-versa. The fact is that Netanyahu is over the moon with Trump and can't state it enough; and so is every other extremist, radical Zionist and the settler movement, and Zionist Org of America. The only Zionists upset with Trump's win are those deluded Liberal Zionists who still believed a two-state solution was possible.

I'll bet you Trump will use Israel as a model to emulate for his governance, as Zionism is inherently fascist, and there's a fascist lurking in Trump. That's just another reason Netanyahu and every Zionist to the right of him are celebrating Trump's win, because they identify with the fascist side of him. Israel has no constitution precisely to protect Zionism from the obligations of Democracy; the moment Jewish superiority is threatened; Zionism's inherent fascism kicks in.

You don't have to capitalize you. Again, you go for the cheap shot. I don't know what more proof you need:

MIC - check, Zionist Wall Street check, Washington insiders - check, radical Zionist appointee - check, Neocon advisors - check, statements and underhanded moves on behalf of Zionism - check. Indications of nuclear and missile defense escalation - check. Antagonism towards China - check.

I will continue to point out all the red flags, whether you like it or not, and despite you trying to pretend I have some ulterior motive so you can diminish my credibility. One thing I'm very confident of - there's a fascist lurking in the wings; waiting to emerge and Trump will prove me right.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 4:16:09 AM | 87

@ MadMax2 | Dec 26, 2016 8:31:44 PM | 66

Your observations struck me the same way; a Christmas giftie from Washington DC's low rent White House to a grateful country. What with the now exposed '200 sites' from the Washington Compost, it isn't hard to trace a trajectory of where this will be going. A clear and present danger; anathema to a free public discourse.

Would mention a certain gratitude for your commentaries, unlike others persistently banging on their tin drums of self-induced delusion (The late and great Herr Glass pinned that image perfectly). Goebbels wasn't erroneous about the repetitious becoming ersatz 'truth'; it is sad to see otherwise fine minds being sucked into intellectual oblivion in that manner. Can you think of or find one historical example where 'private' did not finance something, everything, usually the wars governance insisted on conducting? The alternative to 'private finance' doesn't exist, governance may have invested or directed certain public projects but never financed, only taxed (or financially borrowed) for funds. What is different now is unregulated or uncontrolled 'private finance' but those deluded souls banging their tin drums haven't the intellectual wherewithal to discover this, and rely on authoritarian positions of supposed 'academic experience' to make their ubiquitous and persistent assertions. The pseudo-economic theories developed to defraud MBAs is an intellectual chimera created by political ideologues. Sad fellow cannot see themselves in a mirror since there is no there there.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 27, 2016 4:42:22 AM | 88

One thing I'm very confident of - there's a fascist lurking in the wings; waiting to emerge.
Posted by: Circe | Dec 27, 2016 4:16:09 AM | 87

Where have you been the last 8 years...? Barry'O already won that race. While you've been sleeping US civil liberties have been gutted, journalism is a crime, Facebook is the NSA and it's legal to assassinate without trial via drone on foreign soil. Wakey wakey, Fascism is already here.

With that said, your rants do cause me to have quite a large laxative effect whenever I read them which has been helpful in clearing some of the festive menu.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 27, 2016 4:54:50 AM | 89

@18 "And if it is so-so idea, the opponent will focus on counter-measures that can be introduced at smaller cost. Russia would focus on perfecting ICBMs, Iran may focus on the capability to block oil traffic through Hormuz and perhaps Red Sea too (stealth submarines)."

Know exactly what you mean: The effectiveness of a defensive measure is in inverse proportion to the scope of the defender's defensive perimeter. The proof of the (Christmas) pudding is that the mighty USA was unable to vanquish little Vietnam. At my modest level, it works this way: I keep a gallon of old piss balanced at the edge of my front door. If anybody succeeds in breaking in, they take a bath in some very foul-smelling (save to me..) liquid. I do need to remember to only use the back door, of course...

My wish for a year of true peace for all of us.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Dec 27, 2016 6:00:49 AM | 90

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 27, 2016 4:42:22 AM | 88

There has been a development in the financing of wars, In the old times revolutions were sparked by taxation and the people's death in war. Nowadays the costs of war are hidden in debt, and private security.

It will be interesting to see how Trump will proceed. If he escalates too much with China they might disinvest from US treasuries. Iran has already threatened they will destroy Israel and spark a third world war if the Iran nuclear deal is trashed.

Trump may well consider the scheme of this guy

Hjalmar Schacht formed the limited liability company Metallurgische Forschungsgesellschaft, m.b.H., or "MEFO" for short. The company's "mefo bills" served as bills of exchange, convertible into Reichsmark upon demand. MEFO had no actual existence or operations and was solely a balance sheet entity. The bills were mainly issued as payment to armaments manufacturers.

Mefo bills were issued to last for six months initially, but with the provision for indefinite three-month extensions. The total amount of mefo bills issued was kept secret.

Essentially, mefo bills enabled the German Reich to run a greater deficit than it would normally have been able to. By 1939, there were 12 billion Reichsmark of mefo bills, compared to 19 billion of normal government bonds.

This enabled the government to reinflate their economy, which culminated in its eventual rearmament.


Posted by: somebody | Dec 27, 2016 6:01:41 AM | 91

Obama Buries Torture Report For Twelve Years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knsFEpmiSfc&list=PLBeDLbL2RdxnkwWWtY7TLDu9zKyZVbths

Published on Dec 16, 2016
President Barack Obama will keep from public view a CIA report detailing the ways the United States has committed the war crime of torture. ...

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 27, 2016 6:03:28 AM | 92

I almost wept with joy when Trump crushed that vile filth Hilary Clinton and did have some hope that at the very least Trump's personal wealth and at least a limited amount of the poisonous, incestuous entanglements that have created the single party ruling class that has captivated the US government.

But it is clear now that Trump is not going to be the harsh but pragmatic businessman who just wants the US empire to stop the sickening wars and destruction around the world and focus on rebuilding the US infrastructure and ending the revolving door of government employees and lobbyists.

Other's have done well in outlining what an absolute joke Trump's pre-election statements and appointments have been.

The epic and glorious meltdown of the Hilary supporters will be nothing in comparison when the hardcore Trump supporters finally breakdown and admit they put a foaming at the mouth Zionist in the Oval Office and their tax money is going to be flooding into the Israeli regime's state sponsored terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

Posted by: Stevens | Dec 27, 2016 6:12:25 AM | 93

@90 somebody, 'Iran has already threatened they will destroy Israel and spark a third world war if the Iran nuclear deal is trashed. '

have a link there?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 27, 2016 7:29:06 AM | 94

Looks as if the "p" word is politically incorrect - at least at Christmas. So be it.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Dec 27, 2016 7:42:21 AM | 95

@Circe #87:

Just because he's opposed to Muslim extremism doesn't mean he opposes Zionist extremism as he appointed a radical Zionist Ambassador. Also, most Zionists are Islamophobes and so is Trump.

You are an Islamophile, which means that you are opposed to Western civilization. Islam is a bigger threat to the West than Zionism. Judaism is not a proselytizing religion, and the influence of Zionism is consistent with Jews being a small minority.

Jews and Christians have coexisted since the dawn of Christianity. Mass migration of Muslims into Western Europe and the Anglosphere is a completely new, existential threat.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 27, 2016 8:43:47 AM | 96

@FTB 88
And a hearty seasons greetings to your good self!

"...What is different now is unregulated or uncontrolled 'private finance' ..."

I would go along with this, and add the decay in the rule of law as an equal accomplice. Both delivering an unchecked concentration of power.

When the apocalypse comes, the market will rise from the ashes as it always does. And, again after unscrupulous individuals or groups attempt to game the market to their advantage, again the need for governance and regulation will emerge, to protect those left from the inevitable Greenspans and Summers. The need for a designated field of play, a referee and a (seen to be working) judiciary is all a prosperous market needs.

Such governance is around us now but is pointless, as the rule of law is not applied equally or rules that time built have been repealed.

Still, collectively we do provide some sort of market force...so the very least, on a local level, we all should do is become responsible for every dollar, every penny, every single cent we bank, spend or lay down. Collectively changing our local environment by discovering what end our money serves.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 27, 2016 9:00:40 AM | 97

US answer to S400 threat: https://youtu.be/0acJ3xyhaJo - keep in mind that missiles don't grow on trees. If it can be spoofed, it can be defeated by waves of (cheap, disposable) drones that expose/exhaust the SAA batteries and then they are taken out.

This is the obvious response if you start thinking for your self and stop letting professional propagandists (who may possibly even be working for Langley for all we know) do the thinking for you.

One final point: ask yourself what is more constructive: (a) waste time listening to possible disinformation syndicated hacks focusing on geopolitical stuff where we have zero input and are just being used, or (b) focus on our OWN COUNTRY and OUR OWN POLITICAL SPACE where we nominally are the sovereign.

This is a great blog. Continued wishes for wonderful Christmas/Holiday/NewYear holidays to all.

Posted by: nobody | Dec 27, 2016 10:40:42 AM | 98

@94 Adalbrand

Jews and Christians have coexisted since the dawn of Christianity

Right. That must explain why jews have been expelled over 100 times from mainly Christian countries (mostly European and Slavic) during that period…. because they coexisted so well. Hilarious.

Posted by: pantaraxia | Dec 27, 2016 10:45:20 AM | 99

(and sorry for the caps!)

Posted by: nobody | Dec 27, 2016 10:46:14 AM | 100

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