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October 21, 2016

Assad Says The "Boy In The Ambulance" Is Fake - This Proves It

From an interview with the Syrian President Bashar Assad by the Swiss SRF 1 TV Channel published October 19 2016:

Journalist: This young boy has become the symbol of the war. I think that you know this picture.

President Assad: Of course I saw it.

Journalist: His name is Omran. Five years old.

President Assad: Yeah.

Journalist: Covered with blood, scared, traumatized. Is there anything you would like to say to Omran and his family?

President Assad: There’s something I would like to say to you first of all, because I want you to go back after my interview, and go to the internet to see the same picture of the same child, with his sister, both were rescued by what they call them in the West “White Helmets” which is a facelift of al-Nusra in Aleppo. They were rescued twice, each one in a different incident, and just as part of the publicity of those White Helmets. None of these incidents were true. You can have it manipulated, and it is manipulated. I’m going to send you those two pictures, and they are on the internet, just to see that this is a forged picture, not a real one. We have real pictures of children being harmed, but this one in specific is a forged one.

Assad was half wrong. The picture, printed on page 1 of newspapers all over the "western" world, was not "forged". It is a real picture from a White Helmet "rescue" video distributed by the Aleppo Media Center (AMC) (which is funded by the French French Ministry of Foreign Affairs). But the scene was carefully staged and we immediately recognized it as staged when it appeared. It was staged like many other "rescue" scenes with "kids saved" by the U.S./UK/D/J/NL financed White Helmets and their associated media.

Look for yourself, trust your eyes.

The "boy in an ambulance" scene features two identifiable kids. Omran and his sister.

Below are pictures of what we believe are the same kids in different scenes.

Here is the girl at another occasion. We will call this scene 1:


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The Houston Chronicle reported about this scene and the picture carries this caption:

An 8-year-old girl named Aya calls out for her father after an airstrike in Syrian on Monday, Oct. 10, 2016.

Another picture from the same Chronicle spread:


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This combined one is captioned:

Left: 8-year-old Aya in her everyday life in Syria. Right: 8-year-old Aya after an airstrike in Syria.

Notice the age as well as the girl's favorite colors - light turquoise and pink. Compared to the left picture the hair on the right looks powdered and artificially teased. While there is trickle of "blood" on her face and on her dress no wound is visible.

The Chronicle story is sourced to CNN which includes a short (staged) video and adds:

The video and images were posted online by a pro-opposition activist group, Talbiseh Media Center.

It shows an 8-year-old girl in a medical facility, her hair and body covered with dust. There's blood tricking down her forehead, her nose. She looks confused and scared and keeps calling out for her father.
...
Aya was pulled from under rubble along with her family members when an airstrike hit their home in Talbiseh on Monday. Talbiseh, a large town in northwestern Syria, is about 10 kilometers north of Homs.

A screenshot detail from the video:

The "blood" looks remarkably glossy, unlike natural blood which dries and looks dull pretty fast. The uni-color shirt the girl wears has no arms.

Now the same girl in a different "rescue" scene. We will call this scene 2.


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The truck in the background has a "White Helmets" logo on the door.

A detail of the above picture. It is the same girl as in scene 1. The hair again seems powdered and teased:

Notice: Same habitus, same appearance, same wild hair as in scene 1; no visible wounds; turquoise shirt but with short arms; jeans with glitter

Here is the girl at scene 2 in an ambulance:


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Same shirt and pants as above, no wounds, no pain and not attended to by anybody. Compare this with the video capture of scene 1 the Chronicle and CNN reported on. We strongly believe it is the same girl.

Now what seems to be a different take of scene 2. A "White Helmet" carries the girl and a boy. Notice the same clothing as in the other scene 2 pics above. The pic as well as some of the above from scene 2 was running in the Daily Mail on August 27. The incident is claimed to be the aftermath of a "barrel bombing" in the Bab al-Nairab neighborhood in east-Aleppo.


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Why would two different men carry and "rescue" the girl. She, like the boy, looks fine - same cloth as above, no wounds, no damage to the extremities, no crying - just curiosity.

A detail of the faces in that picture:

A detail of the boy's face:

Now to the "boy in an ambulance" scene. The boy and the reportedly 8-year old girl on August 17 in the Qaterji neighborhood in east Aleppo introduced as "Omran Daqneesh and his sister." (pic source):


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The just "rescued" kids sit quietly but completely unattended to in a brand-new €100,000 ambulance. No shock therapy was initiated, no Trendelberg position or at least laying down flat. No one talks to them despite half a dozen photographers being around them.

Details of the kids - here the boy has the powdered and teased "wild hair" look.

Are these the same kids as in scene 2 above?

President Assad believes they are.

We agree. We also believe that all three scenes above are staged. The girl is the same in all three scenes. Her younger brother appears in scene 2 and 3. The White Helmets apparently "rescued" the girl in three different incidents on or about August 17, August 27 and October 10 in three different locations.

Isn't that a remarkably elysian miracle?

Or is it all part of the serial production of elaborately staged anti-Syrian propaganda? Delivered by a marketing organization (vid) funded by "western" governments and various similar financed opposition "media organizations".

Trust your eyes.

Posted by b on October 21, 2016 at 02:07 PM | Permalink

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It's hard to absolutely corroborate the photos, but I think you're onto it, b. But I expect the mainstream media to keep propagating the propaganda from the White Helmet USAID and Soros funded terrorist lackeys.

It would be great to have an imaging expert go through these same photos to verify your findings--it would be a true 'smoking gun' (or smoking camera) against what look like fake photos that blow through the media like fake pictures blow through Facebook.

Posted by: WorldBLee | Oct 21, 2016 2:22:59 PM | 1

While the White Helmets should continue to try for a Nobel or an Oscar next year, the kids should definitely get an agent and see if they can get into the Actors Guild. They should have all the right contacts.

Posted by: Michael | Oct 21, 2016 2:23:15 PM | 2

@b
It's good that you mention that vido was distributed by the Aleppo Media Center (AMC) (which is funded by the French French Ministry of Foreign Affairs, because only two days ago, the White Helmets were greeted with great pomp by the French govt. At the same time, what I call the Vallschy regime is accusing Russia of war crimes in Aleppo. Wasn't it the a French aerial bombing that killed over 170 civilians in a village near Manbij a couple of months ago? France govt is really pathetic.

Couldn't find the france24 link in English, so here it is in French:
http://www.france24.com/fr/20161019-francois-hollande-syrie-casques-blancs-syriens-visite-france-alep-elysee

Vanessa Beeley has of course denounced that heroes welcome: http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/10/20/the-white-helmets-black-record-vanessa-beeley-talks-to-rt-about-french-government-collusion-with-al-qaeda-linked-group/

Posted by: Jean | Oct 21, 2016 2:32:53 PM | 3

Even if this piece was faked (which I do not know - this site is a black propaganda site) it does not change the fact that Assad and Putin are sick hardcore degenerates that are bombing hospitals and population centers. This here is a very sick site that apologizes for the severe crimes of the previously mentioned criminals. Shame on you. Don't worry you will be defeated in the end and will meet a decision in the streets like Mussolini did.

Posted by: Chekist | Oct 21, 2016 2:48:38 PM | 4

Here's a UK news outlet that's reporting on the Aleppo standoff differently than the major news organizations.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-20/itv-news-witnesses-fierce-gunfight-in-aleppo-despite-ceasefire/

We get ITV here in the stages.

Posted by: Les | Oct 21, 2016 2:56:16 PM | 5

@chekist:

Why do I strongly suspect that you would characterize everything Israel has ever done to Gaza or Lebanon as 'killing terrorists' and 'defending itself'?

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/10/04/double-standards-for-israel-and-syria/

As for propaganda, when every major US network presents the same narratives on the sane stories at the same time, as independent and foreign press present vastly different pictures... So soon after Iraq and the lies that got the US there... How can you be so obtuse??

Posted by: mike kel | Oct 21, 2016 2:59:10 PM | 6

@Jean: More details on the French Connection: http://www.liberation.fr/france/2016/10/20/georges-malbrunot-l-ancien-ambassadeur-du-qatar-a-copieusement-arrose-nos-politiques_1523233

Posted by: Erast Fandorin | Oct 21, 2016 3:14:11 PM | 7

OFF TOPIC

MAJOR NET HACK?

http://downdetector.com/status/level3/map/


Interesting comments attached to outage piece.. Perhaps NSA let Biden have at the controls.

Blame Putin soon to follow ...

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 21, 2016 3:22:04 PM | 8

In a just country a murderer faces his fate, when caught, with courts, evidence and sworn testimonies.
In our world wars are started and millions of lives destroyed based on what amounts to little more than a National Enquirer headline. Yet we dismiss the eye witness accounts of people like Eva Bartlett who at least has the guts to go to the area. The media we trust to guard our world from dirty tricks has been co-opted by the forces of evil. Most of us will wind up like the towns people shown the concentration camps after liberation in WWII. “We had no idea!”

Posted by: frankly | Oct 21, 2016 3:22:13 PM | 9

Chekist@4 - You're bosses at Turner must know about the WikiLeaks dirt on them by now. Once the criminal politicians have been outed, they're going to be illuminating the rat's nest you're employers are passing off as journalism. CNN will be front and center, along with the rest of the worthless networks.

Better get that resume over to Starbucks as soon as possible before the email dump. Nobody is going to touch your filthy resume after that.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Oct 21, 2016 3:37:32 PM | 10

@7 Erast Fandorin
In that article, Beeley identifies the linkages between the AMC, the White Helmets and French Foreign Office: http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/20/exclusive-aleppo-media-centre-funded-by-french-foreign-office-eu-and-us/

Has been translated in French in case it's your mother tongue: http://lesakerfrancophone.fr/le-quai-dorsay-lue-et-les-usa-financent-le-aleppo-media-centre-qui-defend-la-cause-des-djihadistes

Posted by: Jean | Oct 21, 2016 3:40:10 PM | 11

thanks b... the war machine will continue to generate propaganda as needed by location... suckers will continue to flow in support - chekist being either a paid tool, or a sucker.. ditto comments @6 and 10..

Posted by: james | Oct 21, 2016 4:04:13 PM | 12

"...is it all part of the serial production of elaborately staged anti-Syrian propaganda? Delivered by a marketing organization (vid) funded by "western" governments and various similar financed opposition "media organizations" ?

Of course it is! Damn the West to hell!

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Oct 21, 2016 4:08:16 PM | 13

Given: the situation in the photos were faked.

Question: So what?

Reality? The photos did the job they were created for. They provided the propaganda machine with grist for its mill. The fact that the photos were faked is irrelevant to the reality that at the time they appeared they did what was needed: the Empire had the proof it needed. Done deal.

On another matter: Chekist was far too wacko to be treated with anything other than disdain.

Further: I've said it before ... what the Empire needs is a bloody revolution ... one that purges both sides of the coin and perhaps melts the coin down to elemental flecks of residual properties. We have 318 million people in the US. A realistic carrying capacity is probably about 100 million ... so the revolution needs to be purgative. Worldwide the maximum carrying capacity should be less than one billion ... so are you going to be around twenty years from now to complain?

I doubt I will ... the Llano Estacado is a dismal place to be when the artificial reality collapses.

And with that thought, I shut-up for a while.

Posted by: rg the lg | Oct 21, 2016 4:18:18 PM | 14

ok b, you want to prove you're in the same league as the saker?
then the answer is no

Posted by: From The Hague | Oct 21, 2016 4:30:08 PM | 15

@4 Strange definition of the word "fact", Chekist.

If the evidence that purports to establish that "fact" is faked then that does, indeed, bring the established narrative into question.

"Wag the Dog", anyone?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 21, 2016 4:44:43 PM | 16

Dusty Boy is wearing a latex prosthetic around his eye. Not sure if it's clear in this pic but in high quality versions it is.

These kids are painted up for hours, covered with slime and dust, possibly drugged. Is it any wonder they are calling out for their parents?

Posted by: sejomoje | Oct 21, 2016 4:48:10 PM | 17

At least they weren't pulled from their incubators and left on the floor to die.

It's pretty much proved that the White Helmets are a propaganda outlet for al Nusrah. They've even been filmed standing by to "rescue" the fresh bodies at Nusrah execution sites...

Posted by: chuckvw | Oct 21, 2016 4:51:17 PM | 18

@b
While your last piece convinced me that the Omran pic is indeed staged (in particular the wounded man in the long video looks totally fake), I remain sceptical as to the identity with the other "rescued" boy, -- the haircut doesn´t look the same (nor the "flow of hair"), and there are not enough identifying traits. The girl -- quite possible she is the same as "Aya" who clearly had multiple rescue appearances, though again the hair, the hair colour ...?

I´d love to see some evidence on this "iconic image" that would silence even a rabid Western AQ-apologist, but this is no smoking gun (yet).

As for Assad´s statement, he may well have more "on the ground" information.

Posted by: Qoppa | Oct 21, 2016 4:55:06 PM | 19

I recall watching a video made by or for ITV Channel 4 in which a journalist follows a bunch of jihadis in eastern Aleppo. The video was later pulled from Youtube. In that video there were at least one or two guys who looked similar to the men in the Zinki group who beheaded a 12-year-old Palestinian boy. Also in that video a jihadi poses in a yard with some young children, one of whom looked very much like Omran Daqneesh. But because that video is now unavailable, I can't link back to it so that others can check it out and confirm my impression.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 21, 2016 4:57:28 PM | 20

This particular journalist has been in serveral talkshows, where he hailed the 'moderate' rebels, denied that there are any islamists amongst them and aggressively attacked anyone who suggested otherwise.

Not sure about his motivation, but he seems to be a little guy on a mission ^^

Posted by: astras | Oct 21, 2016 4:59:47 PM | 21

@b

Thx for the perilous journey to cut through the western propaganda. A shortlist of twitter feed ...

Join Hands #WithSyria

    Orthodox Christian priests blessing missiles and bombs of Russia...
    To slaughter civilians and kids in Syria. Tell us this not NOT 'Christan terrorism'
    #christian_terrorists #Putin_Is_Burning_Syria #putinisterrorist
    #SyrianGenocide #Message_From_Kids_Of_Syria_To_Humainty [spelling!]
    #AleppoIsBurning #NoFlyZone #BarrlesBomb #ClearTheSky
    #PlanetSyria #WakeUpWorld #WakeUp #SaveTheRest #Save_Syria
    #Syrians_are_not_numbers #WithSyria #AssadHolocaust
    #AssadWarcrimes #EnoughwithAssad #SyriaWarCrimes
    #SyriaCrisis #HumanRightsWatch #UN #United_Nothing
    #Speakup4SyrianChildren

What Is the Syria Campaign?
[hidden registrar – Panama]
[includes White Helmets / Syrian Civil Defence propaganda]

Posted by: Oui | Oct 21, 2016 5:01:48 PM | 22

Another nauseating, self-righteous interviewer who thinks he/she can mentor *a president* of another nation from his/her perceived "moral highground" or whatever that is supposed to be.

War is brutal in general; people die and suffer otherwise at war. Does it mean that Assad has to drop everything and let the country *he is responsible for* just collapse (as that is what would happen if he commands the military to withdraw)? Where would all these Syrians that support him and don't want no caliphate or other sectarian rule go (hint: it's the land from which none return)? How would that help people that die or suffer now? Would that lessen the hostilities or would that somehow appease the US and their "friends" from the Gulf with their boundless want to stick their dirty fingers into everything that is not theirs?

Scumbag MSM bastards. Hope they choke on their "exceptionalism" and "civilized approach".

Posted by: Manirai | Oct 21, 2016 5:02:01 PM | 23

See also article "Syria, ISIS, and the US-UK Propaganda War" by Eric Draitser
Avaaz Investigative Report Series (2013) about NGOs of the Soros network
Founding of Res Publica with fellows: Ricken Patel, Tom Perriello and Tom Pravda; on advisory board John Podesta

How Britain funds the 'propaganda war' against Isis in Syria | The Guardian |

Posted by: Oui | Oct 21, 2016 5:02:40 PM | 24

As I hoped it would, the Brexit vote has chopped at the roots of the NATO/Atlantic alliance. In addition, it appears the EU is disjoined at the seems of Old and New Europe:

  • CETA deal suffers defeat at the hands of Wallonians from Belgium
  • Ukrainian president Poroshenko threatens the Dutch to withdraw support for MH-17 judicial investigation
  • Europe divided as further economic sanctions for Russia fail
  • Royal Navy sends ships to shadow Russian fleet heading for British Channel

    Posted by: Oui | Oct 21, 2016 5:03:50 PM | 25

  • I wonder if Assad's people are on twitter seeing us expose western propaganda, I have a feeling they might even read MOA :)

    Posted by: x | Oct 21, 2016 5:06:14 PM | 26

    TheHague@15:

    Now why would b want to be in that league?

    Posted by: woogs | Oct 21, 2016 5:12:40 PM | 28

    @28 woogs.. thank god he isn't lol..

    Posted by: james | Oct 21, 2016 5:32:44 PM | 29

    Thanks for the posting b

    I have commented before that we are now in a Wag the Dog world. As the puppets fronting empire scramble to create the next distraction the reality of leaks and postings like this are chomping at their roots.

    The next 3 weeks before the annointment should be interesting.

    I posit that we are in WWIII but we just haven't all died yet. That said, I am sorry for those that already have on this road we are on.

    Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 21, 2016 5:37:09 PM | 30

    I have been sarcastically posting congratulations weekly in various NYT Comments for successfully posting the photo of "the dazed boy in the orange seat" at least once a day for the past NINE WEEKS.

    All posts deleted :-(

    Posted by: chet380 | Oct 21, 2016 6:02:44 PM | 31

    ALberto@8 Re: Major net hack - its not necessarily off topic. .gov is herding web sites into it's own little DNS animal farms so it can properly protect the public from that dangerous 'information' stuff in time of emergency. CloudFlare is the biggest abattoir... er, animal farm.

    CloudFlare is kind of like a protection racket. If you pay their outrageous fees, you will be 'protected' from DDoS attacks. Since CloudFlare is the preferred covert .gov tool of censorship and content control (when things go south), they are trying to drive as many sites as possible into their digital panopticons.

    Who the hell is Cloudflare?

    ISUCKER: BIG BROTHER INTERNET CULTURE

    On top of that, CloudFlare’s CEO Matthew Prince made a weird, glib admission that he decided to start the company only after the Department of Homeland Security gave him a call in 2007 and suggested he take the technology behind Project Honey Pot one step further…

    And that makes CloudFlare a whole different story: People who sign up for the service are allowing CloudFlare to monitor, observe and scrutinize all of their site’s traffic, which makes it much easier for intel or law enforcement agencies to collect info on websites and without having to hack or request the logs from each hosting company separately. But there’s more. Because CloudFlare doesn’t just passively monitor internet traffic but works like a dynamic firewall to selectively block traffic from sources it deems to be “hostile,” website operators are giving it a whole lotta power over who gets to see their content. The whole point of CloudFlare is to restrict access to websites from specific locations/IP addresses on the fly, without notifying or bothering the website owner with the details. It’s all boils down to a question of trust, as in: do you trust a shady company with known intel/law enforcement connections to make that decision?

    And here is an added bonus for the paranoid: Because CloudFlare partially caches websites and delivers them to web surfers via its own servers, the company also has the power to serve up redacted versions of the content to specific users. CloudFlare is perfect: it can implement censorship on the fly, without anyone getting wise to it!

    Right now CloudFlare says it monitors nearly 1/5 of all Internet visits. [<-- this] An astounding claim for a company most people haven’t even heard of. And techie bloggers seem very excited about getting as much Internet traffic routed through them as possible!

    See? Plausable deniability. A couple of degrees of separation. Yet when the Borg Queen wants to start WWIII next year, she can order the DHS Stazi to order outfits like CloudFlare to do the proper 'shaping' of internet traffic to filter out unwanted information.

    How far is any expose of propaganda like Dusty Boy going to happen if nobody can get to sites like MoA? You'll be able to get to all kinds of tweets and NGO sites crying about Dusty Boy 2.0, but you won't see a tweet or a web site calling them out on their lies. Will you even know they interviewed Assad? Will you know the activist 'photographer' is a paid NGO shill or that he's pals with al Zenki? Nope, not if .gov can help it.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Oct 21, 2016 6:22:01 PM | 33

    @2
    how deep does the rabbithole go?
    some are content to ignore the existance of rabbits altogether.

    Posted by: insanity | Oct 21, 2016 6:23:52 PM | 34

    PavewayIV @ 33

    Be careful to not let paranoia cloud your judgement. That article is nonsense:

    the people who founded CloudFlare were behind something called Project Honey Pot, a service that positions itself as some kind of a grassroot-y antispam registry, but in reality seems to be a pro-corporate law enforcement tool with the specific aim of entrapping and prosecuting spammers/phishing scammers in a way that’s friendly to the marketing industry , and without “violating the rights of marketers”–yeah, because marketers have rights, dude!

    Rubbish. Honeypot is essential to effective firewall protection... provides easy and fast defense against one of the most common attacks. Works well on the server, or in (a lot of CMS(s): Joomla, Wordpress...). They provide the service at no charge, and it works extremely well. Check with any professional Wordpress/Joomla developers/hosting services: malicious spamming/attacks are 24/7 and a nonending "game". They've brought down tons of private sites, from bloggers to small businesses. Honeypot just keeps IP records of confirmed spammers/attackers, so a webmaster/firewall can check against their list and block known hackers as first line of defense. I've used it for years, as do 10's of 1000's of others. It's part and parcel of best CMS firewall plugins.

    It's simply a goodwill tool made available to the tech community at no charge, every bit as much a contribution as all the indispensables on GitHub.

    Author of your link may be well intentioned but he really doesn't know what he's talking about. And yeah I know, I do tech work so I must be part of the cabal. :(

    Not trying to pick a fight, just saying... that article has gone off the deep end.

    Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 21, 2016 6:52:46 PM | 36

    And some people thought "Capricorn One" was far fetched?

    Posted by: Cortes | Oct 21, 2016 7:26:15 PM | 37

    @ jdmckay

    I don't want to get into a techie to techie brawl here either and have agreed with you on other issues but I think that PavewayIV has a right to be paranoid.

    I can't believe that you think the Honeypot service isn't or will never be compromised for geo-political purposes. Have you seen the movie Snowden yet?

    The internet is one of the tools who's existence is killing empire because of the information it makes available to those that don't want to imbibe the brainwashing of the MSM....and it allows us to collude world wide like here.

    I do believe that we will see an example of internet control in the next few months.....whether it is an outage at a critical time or something like what PavewayIV linked to. Restricting or taking down the internet serves only those that want to keep information from others.

    Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 21, 2016 7:36:04 PM | 38

    1. The seriousness of this BS cannot be overstated.
    Hillary, aka Hilton, mentioned ambulance-boy in both the 2nd & 3rd debates in the context of why a NFZ is necessary in Syria – to protect the innocent children. Of course, it’s a page from Bilton’s Iraq NFZ playbook, which resulted in huge excess mortality, particularly in infants and toddlers, PRE-INVASION. When President Hilton starts pumping the patriots up w/ detailed plans for NFZ, you can bet ambulance-boy and the WHs are going to be her mascots and raison d’etre, unless the word gets out that they are fakes.

    2. Re: identity of these kids.
    After spending hundreds of hours staring at vids from the Ghouta Massacre, I developed an operating rule to use to conclude that the same person is shown in two different vids: there must be, first of all, a general gut-feeling that “yeah, that’s the same person.” I mean there has to be a threshold similarity.

    But to corroborate that gut feeling there must be either a least 1 incontestable matching feature, or three less certain features, all of which are visible on the two images being compared. Incontestable features such as identical moles, scars, ear-structure, etc. Less certain features could be unusual clothing, jewelry (espc. watches and stud earrings, which are often worn for long periods), the presence in both images of another person whom you’ve already ID’d as a certain match. I mean if you’re not certain that a boy is the same in two different images, if the guy holding him in both images is the same for sure, chances are the boy is the same, too.

    Now, as far as the ambulance-girl goes, like other commentors here, I don’t get an immediate impression that I am looking at the same girl in all of those photos. In the 3rd photo – the two girls next to each other – my immediate impression is “no way.” In the 8th photo there is a little girl running who could just as well be the ambulance-girl purportedly shown in the other photos. It’s just not a clear call.

    The strongest point is the spangled jeans. But I have seen similar jeans on other kids in Syria, so I think they are not uncommon -- maybe if I could see a specific tear or a peculiar worn knee hole that is clear in both images. But it’s close. And her shirt comes pretty close in a couple of those images as well. But I don’t know the context. For instance, the 5th and the 8th photos might have been part of the same incident and the girl was just handed from one man to another. But that girl looks different to me than the girl with the blood on her face in the 2nd photo. And the shirt is definitely different.

    I agree that the blood on the nose looks badly Photoshopped. I mean, c’mon, anyone with blood running down the ridge of their nose is going to wipe it off, or an adult tending to her would certainly reach over and wipe it off. For one thing, you’d think it would make her sneeze. And, as always, a bunch of banged up kids, mostly not crying and with no mothers in sight has to be suspect from the get-go.

    As for the ambulance boy, I ain’t buyin’ the conclusion those 2 kids are the same. That 10th image of the close up of the boy in blue and 11th image of ambulance-boy in the ambulance sure don’t look like the same kid to me. The R-ear of the kid in the blue has an unusual shape and really sticks out, but not so ambulance-boy. And ambulance-boy’s head is much longer.

    3. Jen | Oct 21, 2016 4:57:28 PM | 20
    As per your experience, I have found that many of these vids from spooky Syrian local committees disappear quicker than a northbound fart in a southbound breeze. But it’s easy and free to download a browser extension that let’s you d’load YT vids w/ a single click. It takes no time to have a pretty good sized archive. However archiving these vids is not very helpful unless you also label them and index them. Sort of a weird hobby, eh?

    4. My skepticism of conclusions that the kids in these photos are the same is not meant to be a criticism of these efforts. Au contraire, I think this sort of video analysis is very important work that we all can be doing, and should be doing.

    One of the things that kept Obomber from sending the B-52's into Syria in 2013 was a small army of online citizen-warriors all around the world pointing out how phony those videos were coming out of Ghouta, thus offering push-back to the bullshit from Higgins, and Kaszeta, and the Israeli “intelligence” that said Assad had dropped sarin on those folks. The website A Closer Look on Syria is an excellent example (and resource) of online activists' group-efforts analyzing videos and photos to help keep the record straight.

    You don’t need much to get into it, and what you do need is all free. 1) A browser add-on to download YTs. 2) A good vid player that will let you freeze frames and move backwards. I use VLC. 3) A spreadsheet or some other means to organize and index what you have. 4) A good screen-grabber so you can juxtapose multiple images and magnify them. 5) Time. 6) Patience. 7) Heart. 8) A good eye, which is going to get better the more you use it.

    I ain’t kiddin’, this Hilton witch is going to drag the US and EU and UK and CA &etc, &etc, &etc, into another bloody one in the ME. And the way she’s going to do it is by showing the world phony images like ambulance-boy as a casus belli and getting everybody all fired up to go save the Syrians by bombing them. We’re the only ones who can stop this bullshit; the MSM sure as hell isn’t going to.

    Posted by: Denis | Oct 21, 2016 8:04:46 PM | 39

    Paveway @33

    animal farm

    After watching the three US Presidential Candidate debates one must realise that "Animal Farm" is nonfiction.

    'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'

    Posted by: ALberto | Oct 21, 2016 8:08:15 PM | 40

    b,

    There are many new monikers, are they new or from same IP?

    Thanks. :-)

    Posted by: Jack Smith | Oct 21, 2016 9:01:52 PM | 41

    Same as in Libya - fake videos, etc..

    Posted by: paul | Oct 21, 2016 9:07:27 PM | 42

    psychohistorian @ 38

    (...) I think that PavewayIV has a right to be paranoid.

    Yes, there's always choices. I guess people need to determine for themselves what serves them best, and others.

    Paranoia can cloud judgement. Again, I'm just gently suggesting... not going to make a big deal out of this.

    I can't believe that you think the Honeypot service isn't or will never be compromised for geo-political purposes. Have you seen the movie Snowden yet?

    I do not think Honeypot is or has been compromised, there's no evidence to suggest this at all. They have a long, exemplary track record.

    Honeypot (and many other very good FREE cyber protection tools) are mostly open-sourced now. In particular, there are 1000's of good techies who work w/out $$ to constantly improve Honeypot and keep it ahead of hackers. This makes it possible (along with a whole lot of other open-source projects) to have sites like MoA able to operate very inexpensively. Without these efforts, MoA and a large portion of the internet could not afford it.

    Maybe they should be thanked instead.

    The quote I snipped from his article is just plain wrong.

    The Cloudfare folks cut their teeth on Honeypot project for many years, and now took it to the Cloud (technically, a big step) and are highly respected in the industry. And I guess they are making some money. Good for them, AFAIC they earned it.

    They had nothing to do with this morning's DOS attack on east coast, they are the "good guys" in this cyber war, and those accusations are misplaced.

    The internet is one of the tools who's existence is killing empire because of the information it makes available to those that don't want to imbibe the brainwashing of the MSM....and it allows us to collude world wide like here.

    Agree 100%. I'm just saying, let's not impugn the folks that make this possible.

    I do believe that we will see an example of internet control in the next few months.....whether it is an outage at a critical time or something like what PavewayIV linked to. Restricting or taking down the internet serves only those that want to keep information from others.

    You may be right, won't surprise me at all. And I wouldn't be surprised if something big happens from parties nobody is thinking about, for motives nobody is considering. Bruce Schnier's blog/articles are good place to start for people who want to find out from the best what vulnerabilities are out there and how they can extend into infrastructure.

    We need a lot of smart, hard working people to keep this thing going. Again, does not help anyone to throw a wide net over everyone in the business convincing themselves and others the whole thing is a giant conspiracy. It's not.

    Anyone unfamiliar with Honeypot who became suspicious just reading that link can take a look at any of these articles: local ISP(s)/Hosting Services, tech blogs/sites etc. See what they have to say about this work. You will find similar results searching Cloudfare.


    Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 21, 2016 9:45:32 PM | 43

    Reuters: Radicalized Berlin bombing suspect worked with White Helmets

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-bomber-idUSKBN12E2ET

    WORLD NEWS | Fri Oct 14, 2016 | 5:11pm EDT
    Berlin bombing suspect radicalized by imams in Germany, brother says

    By Joseph Nasr | BERLIN
    Berlin bomb suspect Jaber Albakr showed signs of radicalization in Germany, posting jihadi videos online before traveling to the Islamist-controled Syrian city of Idlib earlier this year, his brother told Reuters.

    Alaa Albakr told Reuters by phone that his brother said he went to Syria to volunteer with emergency rescue workers, but Alaa believes he was radicalized by imams in Berlin who “brainwashed him” into returning to his country for jihad.

    “This is why we believe he returned to Syria,” Alaa told Reuters by phone from the village of Sa’sa’ southwest of Damascus.

    “He went to Turkey seven months ago and spent two months in Syria. He called us and told us ‘I’m volunteering with the White Helmets (emergency teams) in Idlib’.”

    Posted by: Liam | Oct 21, 2016 10:39:06 PM | 44

    Additional photos of the same children here....http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/10/18/crisis-extras-are-syrias-white-helmets-recycling-their-barrel-bomb-victims/

    Posted by: Liam | Oct 21, 2016 10:41:50 PM | 45

    UK's ITV 4 video shows White Helmet embedded w/ al-Zinki terrorists who beheaded boy This video was removed by ITV4 soon after they realized their mistake due to hundreds of You Tube comments pointing out the White Helmets were embedded with terrorists and being promoted by ITV Channel 4. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0b3_1475792886#l34pHxt8R8YG9269.99

    The recently released report from ITV channel 4 UK catches them promoting disgusting propaganda to make the murderous al-Nusra and other terrorist groups seem like legitimate heros. Note the terminology such as “shoulder to shoulder” “liberators” and "working alongside". Its pure BS and the level of deception is disgusting in its presentation. The US and UK were actually considering giving the group called the White Helmets a Nobel Peace Prize. These White Helmets are terrorists financed through USAID who killed the real Syrian Civil Defence in 2012. In the video a White Helmet member can be seen wearing a White Helmet shirt while conducting operations ‘shoulder to shoulder’ with al-Zinki terrorists. This is the same group that beheaded a 12 year old Palestinian boy in the back of a truck in July 2016. The White Helmet member is visible at the 2:27 mark.

    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0b3_1475792886#l34pHxt8R8YG9269.99

    Posted by: Liam | Oct 21, 2016 10:47:45 PM | 46

    jdmckay@36 - You seem oblivious to the fortune Matthew Prince made from monetizing all the data that you helped collect. He's a lawyer - you can probably figure the rest out. Never in ANY of the disclosure stuff did he ever say he was going to take the data you helped collect and sell it to other predatory lawyers or law enforcement for his own personal benefit. Hey - everyone was just working for free to stop the scourge of internet spam, right? So what if he made a fortune while nobody developers worked for the project for free and willing participants hosted his honeypots and fed him data. I guess that means Prince was a financial genius and open-source developers/users are stupid, altruistic whores. Prince's mea culpa is that they needed money for infrastructure, but I'll bet the wristwatch he was wearing at the time cost more than my car. It's not a question of whether he deserved to enrich himself or not, it's that he did so secretly while giving everyone the impression of a not-for-profit effort.

    The author of that article, Yasha Levine, should know - he wasted time on The HoneyPot Project until he learned the truth. Re-read his quote you gave with that in mind. Levine isn't knocking the functionality of HTTP:BL, he's attacking the rich weasel that conned free labor out of him.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Oct 21, 2016 11:54:15 PM | 47

    "... three different incidents"?
    Waw! These kids are having a run of bad luck, huh?
    It seems the story of the guy who was watching newspaper on TV and heard the news that a man is run over every 30 minutes in India ... guy's comment: "Gee, what bad luck has this man!"

    These bunch of idiots think others are so stupid as they are.

    Posted by: Fenelon | Oct 22, 2016 12:25:43 AM | 48

    After WMD of Iraq, very sad and tragic state of affairs in Libiya, Yemen it is the presstitutes of Western Media dishing out these stories unless you are very gullible person to believe these concoction of stories for perpetuating the myths for propaganda purpose.

    Posted by: Sudhish Majumdar | Oct 22, 2016 12:37:15 AM | 49

    PavewayIV @ 51

    take the data you helped collect and sell it to other predatory lawyers or law enforcement for his own personal benefit. (...) So what if he made a fortune while nobody developers worked for the project for free and willing participants hosted his honeypots and fed him data.

    What evidence do you have to support this.

    The author of that article, Yasha Levine, should know - he wasted time on The HoneyPot Project until he learned the truth.

    "Wasted time" doing what... user of, worked on project, or ????.

    Citations please.

    I've never heard of Yasha Levine before. Quick Google turns up a few pedestrian "journalism" (sort of) references. No tech background whatsoever.

    Appreciate citations: all you've provided is innuendo. You are making accusations on Honeypot/Prince Google doesn't return any results corroborating.

    Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 22, 2016 1:08:33 AM | 50

    Speaking of "puppets fronting empire" (psychohistorian: #30)...Canada's FM

    Dion Leads UN Effort to Ramp Up Pressure on Russia, Syria Over Aleppo
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/dion-leads-un-effort-ramp-up-pressure-on-russia-syria-over-aleppo-1.3814994

    Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 22, 2016 1:31:09 AM | 51

    Even if we brought them the kids to say, "fooled ya"....Nobody would believe us. I don't care, it's enough for me to shake their confidence in these Devils by shining light on their lies, lies, damned lies and propaganda.

    Posted by: Fernando Arauxo | Oct 22, 2016 1:58:32 AM | 52

    re: jdmckay | Oct 22, 2016 1:08:33 AM | 50

    PavewayIV has a vast track record. jdmckay not so much.

    {quote} So what if he made a fortune while nobody developers worked for the project for free and willing participants hosted his honeypots and fed him data. I guess that means Prince was a financial genius and open-source developers/users are stupid, altruistic whores. {end quote} -- PavewayIV

    This happens every day. Sue me if you don't believe it.

    Posted by: blues | Oct 22, 2016 2:54:23 AM | 53

    Media darling "toy smuggler of Aleppo" exposed by Finland's top paper as fraud & extremist

    A story too good to be true – The toy smuggler of Aleppo’s jihadist connections, made-up stories and an orphan project run aground

    Includes a story of fake wounds and videos of "bombing attacks" that never happened ....

    Posted by: b | Oct 22, 2016 2:58:23 AM | 54

    @John Gilberts | Oct 22, 2016 1:31:09 AM | 51

    Dion Leads UN Effort to Ramp Up Pressure on Russia, Syria Over Aleppo

    Really pathetic to believe Justin Trudeau a Liberal replaced NeoCon Harper turns out a genuine NeoCon. He won b'cus strategic voting.

    Just can't believe more than 70 countries still believe Dr. Bashar al-Assad and Putin are responsible for the destructions in Aleppo remains while silence Iraq and US retake Mosul which will cause even more destruction and deaths?

    Yea, we were fooled once in Iraq by the coalitions of the willings. Not again from the same coalitions of the willing with even more flimsy/fakes evidents.

    Posted by: Jack Smith | Oct 22, 2016 3:07:24 AM | 55

    @51 john gilberts... does the cbc site no longer allow for comments?

    @54 b... thanks.. not sure if that will be good enough for those demanding citations..

    Posted by: james | Oct 22, 2016 3:14:38 AM | 56

    @55 Jack Smith says:
    Just can't believe more than 70 countries still believe Dr. Bashar al-Assad and Putin are responsible for the destructions in Aleppo remains while silence Iraq and US retake Mosul which will cause even more destruction and deaths?

    This is something I struggle with as well. I catch myself in rants with people in my native Australia, people whose views I have come to respect over decades but who cannot possibly accept that Putin is fighting the good fight...people that still argue against Assad when I question whether the Australian government would retain a sovereign right to defend itself in the face of an infestation of Islamic extremists from Indonesia for example. 'ah no, that different!'. Fuck off with its different. 'Trump said a naughty word, disgusting pig!' while Hillarys' ilk grin at the deformed birth in Fallujah.

    I can only posit this: That as much as the internet is freeing information, the MSM is doubling down on it's government stenography in an as yet unseen collusion amongst media power. Or... it is us who is insane.

    This is why cross media ownership laws are so important. The consolidation of power amongst corporate media and it's private financiers since 2008 has made any agenda easier to dominate and push.

    Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 22, 2016 6:40:31 AM | 57

    A little OT, but also not...

    Putin warns Americans, you're bring distracted.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnqx6PYLqoQ

    Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 22, 2016 7:07:15 AM | 58

    @36 @46 - jdmckay

    In our completely commoditized society, there is a simple truth for every piece of software - If you didn't pay for it, you are not the customer, you are the Product.

    Windows 10 is free to the consumer - or - why does the free Flashlight App on your cell need to know your location?

    Posted by: Enrico Malatesta | Oct 22, 2016 7:31:50 AM | 59

    Hill Staffer Floats Solution to Syria War: Assassinate Assad


    ... during an off-the-record briefing on Capitol Hill on Thursday, a staffer for Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.) floated a distinctly bolder approach.

    “What about assassinating Assad?” the aide said, according to three individuals in the room.

    The question raised eyebrows at the event, a briefing of about 75 staffers hosted by the Council on Foreign Relations.


    Raised eyebrows?! ... "We came, we saw, he died. Ha, ha, ha." ... Why?

    First order of business for the Valkyllerie will be to whack Assad.

    Posted by: jfl | Oct 22, 2016 7:38:44 AM | 60

    One thing I noticed when I first saw the video of the boy, was that after being sat down he wipes the bloody wounded area above his left eye and he doesn't wince, not even slightly! Nothing.
    How anyone can believe this stuff is beyond me.

    Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 22, 2016 8:09:55 AM | 61

    By the way, all this could be true, same time if it is true, it is against Assad and Putin as well, it means there's no safe place in Aleppo, yes, this is very normal this place has been bombarded you've to move to another place which happens not to be safe as well as the first one and so on, it is not surprising at all, it is simply means that there's no safe place for children in Syria, so it is against the Russian invasion to Syria Assad Putin Iran and Hezbollah

    Posted by: Abdelrazek Hamed | Oct 22, 2016 8:35:18 AM | 62

    ...
    ..he wipes the bloody wounded area above his left eye and he doesn't wince, not even slightly! Nothing.
    How anyone can believe this stuff is beyond me.
    Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 22, 2016 8:09:55 AM | 61

    He's a little kid and he's obviously bored shitless with his role in the adult(?) pantomime he doesn't understand.

    Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 22, 2016 8:49:55 AM | 63

    @ Abdelrazek Hamed | 62

    Its interesting because theonly reason its not safe in Aleppo is because of terrorists (either they kill kids directly, or kids can get into crossfire when army goes after terrorists), but you havent mentioned terrorists once. How is that Assad's or Russians fault that they have to delouse city and country off terrorists (its not a matter of choice, its their duty).

    Also the only armies which are invading Syria are by Turkey, Israel, US and co, and their terrorists from 100+ countries. Russia cant invade by definition as they are asked to come by Syria.

    Bottom line, you seem to be terrorists supporter, or terrorists yourself. Plenty of Al Qaeda PR people spreading propaganda online, just like you do.

    Posted by: Harry | Oct 22, 2016 8:53:30 AM | 64

    well Harry you know nothing about anything, my name is there, I am afraid of nothing, my email and adress is there report me I live in Ireland, do you think you'll threatening me with these false accusations?? idiot.

    Posted by: Abdelrazek Hamed | Oct 22, 2016 9:08:13 AM | 65

    @ AtaBrit | Oct 22, 2016 8:09:55 AM | 61

    That video was studiously designed to affect the emotional centres directly and bypass the viewer's intellectual higher cognitive functions, note the difference between the still photos provided subsequently to the presentation of the motion video first shown where details are obscured by camera motion, lighting and focus. That technique forestalls critical assessment and favours emotional judgments that become permanently lodged in the viewer's consciousness and are particularly difficult to dislodge with subsequent information. Pure marketing persuasion heavily involved.

    Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 22, 2016 9:29:04 AM | 66

    Oh waooooo... Actors. What else?? Lol

    Posted by: Jasmin | Oct 22, 2016 9:43:07 AM | 67

    FWIW - the name Yasha Levine sounded awfully familiar to me and thought he wrote for Pando Daily, which he does - https://www.google.com/search?q=Pando%2Bwar+nerd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=yasha%20levine

    He is the former Editor of The Exiled which is a satirical site according to Google's description. His contact info is provided in the link.

    Here's a link to DogPile search on Levine - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=yasha+levine&t=ffsb&atb=v35-2&ia=products

    For those unfamiliar with Pando Daily it is an edgy, in your face subscription tech site. It does feature an array of current topics but its primary focus is tech. They are all excellent writers.

    Hope this is helpful.

    __________________________

    b - your effort to peel back this layer of propaganda is quite admirable. Your efforts to expose the deceit within the U.S. national security/foreign policy communication matrix reminds me of the efforts Prof. James Tracey has been making over at his site to expose the same duplicitous matrix in the homeland security arena. Both arena's - national/homeland - appear to have the same or several of the same PR firms working to sell war and gun control.

    I know of no one else in the alt news national security arena working this angle. I look forward to future work.

    Posted by: h | Oct 22, 2016 10:01:46 AM | 69

    Of course the photos were staged.everything is staged,even the claim she is winning is staged.
    Are people that thick that they can't see the hysteria from the PTB?Why would they be so hysterical if the HB actually was ahead?
    Its called manufacturing dissent,something they have used repeatedly,but guess what?We don't believe anything from the serial liars,and Trump will win.
    Hoo hah.

    Posted by: dahoit | Oct 22, 2016 10:03:50 AM | 70

    If they lie about everything else, why won't they lie about the election results?

    Posted by: lysias | Oct 22, 2016 10:32:33 AM | 71

    A little OT but fits a different front "In a remarkable conflict-of-interest, Fox News analyst and former Clinton operative Douglas E. Schoen has failed to disclosed to readers that he’s been paid millions of dollars from Ukrainian agents to incite a war between the United States and Russia. Before inciting war with Russia, Schoen worked for Bill Clinton and brokered meeting (for $40,000 a month) between then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and billionaire oligarchs." http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/09/09/fox-news-analyst-and-clinton-operative-douglas-e-schoen-accepted-millions-of-dollars-to-agitate-for-war-with-russia/

    Posted by: Terry | Oct 22, 2016 10:32:49 AM | 72

    The following link shows the most recent events, tweets and accolades relating to the White Helmets.

    https://yallalabarra.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/right-livelihood-stands-by-its-decision-to-give-the-award-to-the-white-helmets/

    New UK foreign secretary Boris Johnson is praising them, John Kerry is tweeting about them and France just hosted their leaders and presented them with an award even though it has now being proven on numerous occasions that they collaborate directly with multiple groups of terrorists in Syria. The following links provide extensive evidence that the group is a not the real Syrian Civil Defence. The White Helmets killed the real Syrian Civil Defence and stole their vehicles and equipment in 2013. Since that time they have commenced with a massive propaganda campaign based on humanitarianism while exploiting children in order to sway world public opinion. This is being conducted in conjunction and with the support of the western powers that have backed the jihadist ‘rebel’ groups in Syria since the beginning of the war. The entire Syrian war is based upon lies perpetuated and disseminated in the western media, primarily directed by the US, UK and Saudi Arabia.

    The following JPR links cover the White Helmets false flag in detail and also include links to the UK’s ITV4 that promoted the terrorists that beheaded a 12 year old boy in Aleppo in the summer of 2016.

    Please bookmark and save this large amount of info related to the US/UK backed White Helmets as it is extensive proof that the officials of the aforementioned countries are supporting a fake group that is directly linked to terrorism. The White Helmets killed the real Syrian Civil Defense in east Aleppo, Syria in 2013. The videos and research throughout these posts, which is primarily conducted by UK investigative reporting outfit 21st Century Wire and Venessa Beeley, exposes one of the greatest war lies over told, a massive propaganda effort meant to deceive and coerce the populations of western countries into believing that al-Qaeda linked terrorists are civil humanitarians that save little children.

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/itv-4-video-shows-white-helmet-embedded-w-al-zinki-terrorists-who-beheaded-boy/#post-257679

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/who-are-syrias-white-helmets-terrorist-linked/

    http://www.jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/the-propaganda-war-against-syria-led-by-avaaz-the-white-helmets/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/henningsen-the-white-helmets-are-kony-2012-on-steroids/

    https://www.jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/syria-white-helmets-humanitarians-or-executioners/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/mccain-and-the-syrian-white-helmets-how-a-simple-post-can-connect-the-dots/

    http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/huge-video-and-data-cache-on-the-fake-ngo-syrian-white-helmet-jihadists/

    http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?10226-The-Syria-White-Helmets-Exposed-as-US-UK-Agents-Embedded-with-Al-Nusra-and-ISIS

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/white-helmets-neutral-heroes-or-pro-war-pr-campaign/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/avaaz-the-online-pro-war-propagandist-and-color-revolution-ngo/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/crosstalkrt-who-are-the-white-helmets-guests-vanessa-beeeleyeva-bartlet/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/syrian-rebel-white-helmets-actually-funded-by-u-s/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/journalist-eva-bartlett-im-back-from-syria-the-media-is-lying-to-you/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/how-the-white-helmets-became-international-heroes-while-pushing-u-s-military-in/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/uk-column-news-on-fake-white-helmets-terrorists-thursday-6-october-2016/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/white-helmets-facilitate-execution-with-al-nusra-highly-graphic-warning/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/syrian-girl-explains-how-the-ceasefire-in-syria-broke-down/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/max-blumenthal-at-alternet-busting-the-fake-syrian-white-helmets-wide-open/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/ngos-plausible-deniability-and-the-new-age-of-information-warfare/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/netflix-and-the-white-helmets-hand-in-hand-with-al-qaeda/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/syrias-white-helmets-war-by-way-of-deception-moderate-executioners/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/understanding-the-truth-about-the-us-war-parties-the-wars-the-media-and-syria/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/aleppo-media-centre-funded-by-french-foreign-office-eu-and-us/

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/british-government-and-white-helmets-exposed-on-the-bbc/

    Posted by: liam | Oct 22, 2016 10:34:48 AM | 73

    jdmckay@50 - "...Appreciate citations: all you've provided is innuendo. You are making accusations on Honeypot/Prince Google doesn't return any results corroborating..."

    Yes, it's all tin-foil hat conspiracy nonsense. Google has proven my unfounded accusations are false and misleading. Matthew Prince worked for free and probably still does. He fights for the rights of little people, not the desires of monied corporations or .gov snooping. Thank God for Matthew Prince. I retract all negative comments regarding Mr. Prince and acknowledge Levine is a non-tech pedestrian 'journalist' who couldn't possibly fathom the genius and integrity of someone like Prince. I guess that settles it.

    "SSL added and removed here! :-)"

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Oct 22, 2016 11:03:02 AM | 74

    jdmckay@36 - You seem oblivious to the fortune Matthew Prince made from monetizing all the data that you helped collect. He's a lawyer - you can probably figure the rest out. Never in ANY of the disclosure stuff did he ever say he was going to take the data you helped collect and sell it to other predatory lawyers or law enforcement for his own personal benefit. Hey - everyone was just working for free to stop the scourge of internet spam, right?

    So what if he made a fortune while nobody developers worked for the project for free and willing participants hosted his honeypots and fed him data.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Oct 21, 2016 11:54:15 PM | 47

    The word "jdmckay" and the phrase "You seem oblivious" seem to go together quite well, don't they?

    And it seems even when it's explained to him he doesn't seem to ever get any less-oblivious.

    Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 22, 2016 11:28:37 AM | 75

    FWIW - the name Yasha Levine sounded awfully familiar to me and thought he wrote for Pando Daily, #

    Yes - he is the one that wrote a lot of articles delving into the murky financing behind the TOR (Onion Router) project fronted by fake dissident Jacob Appelbaum

    Almost Everyone Involved in Developing Tor was (or is) Funded by the US Government

    How leading Tor developers and advocates tried to smear me after I reported their US Government ties

    Former TOR head now working for intelligence contractor that protects companies against TOR

    Internet privacy, funded by spooks: A brief history of the BBG

    I've never heard of Yasha Levine before

    jdmckay

    See my previous re: how well the name "jdmckay" fits with the phrase "You are oblivious"

    Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 22, 2016 11:39:39 AM | 76

    One of the reasons pictures like that of the Dusty Syrian boy (and Aylan drowned and drifted to a Greek beach) are ‘faked’, ‘posed’, ‘arranged’ or some combination thereof, is that the ‘sheeples’ public can be whipped up to outrage to some degree with pictures of suffering / dead (or pretend dead / injured) children.

    If they were shown the true pictures of raped, dismembered little girls, with (fill it in, very ugly..) or children with their heads blown off and guts torn out, their reaction would be different. They would question war and ask, who did this? How does this come about? Do I support the actions of xyz that leads to such horrors?

    The photos depicting the effect of war on innocent children have to be:

    sanitized - non-graphic - acceptable to the public - part of a safe space - preserving of delicate sensibilities. (to downplay the effects yet keep ppl on board...)

    Thus, the visuals have to be created, crafted, and *contextualised* into some narrative frame concerning some particular occasion, fitting in with the touted force of *good* against the force of evil.

    Posted by: Noirette | Oct 22, 2016 11:43:20 AM | 77

    @74 pw4

    If it can be done, it will be done. CIA 'venture capital' funds probably set him up.

    They all received immunity for turning in 'suspicious' information, when they threw us all under the omnibus last year.

    If its a CloudFlare site ... I skip it.

    Posted by: jfl | Oct 22, 2016 11:45:03 AM | 78

    @77 Noirette

    Plus the sheeples wanna believe. They don't want to know (after 15 years how can they still not know?) about their governments monstrous string of aggressions. They refuse to face the obvious ... just look at Iraq fer chrissakes! And the White Helmets (al CIAduh) are 'saving' little kids ... hooray for the al CIAduh! the good guys. Unbelievable.

    You cannot sell people lies they don't wanna believe already. The media lies persuade no one, they confirm the lies the sheeples have already told themselves/adopted to keep up delusions, to avoid the truth. The sheeple will vote for Clinton just as they did for Obama, twice. And ignore all the consequences.

    Posted by: jfl | Oct 22, 2016 11:54:56 AM | 79

    well Harry you know nothing about anything, my name is there, I am afraid of nothing, my email and adress is there report me I live in Ireland, do you think you'll threatening me with these false accusations?? idiot.

    Posted by: Abdelrazek Hamed | Oct 22, 2016 9:08:13 AM | 65

    The Dublin-Doha Nexus: Ireland’s Key Role in the Muslim Brotherhood’s Global Jihad

    New study says Ireland has the second highest per capita jihadist rate

    Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 22, 2016 12:00:01 PM | 80

    The best definition of prejudice is to shortcut BS using past experience to avoid making the same mistakes. Over and over. Sometimes. Pre-judging leads to wrong conclusions. But not often. Not when one applies wisdom and reason. Hence. When visiting MOA. It's wise to skip posters such as "jmackay". And read closely Paveway IV. And anything left by Charles Drake and his many alter egos should be lovingly perused. Sending him bighugs.

    P.S. Reddit community is doing unbelievable work on the Wikileaks Podesta emails. Tick-tock.

    Posted by: Take Me | Oct 22, 2016 12:11:47 PM | 81

    Good new video on WH from Apophenia
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtqASucTKUs

    coming with a handy reference list
    http://apophenia.altervista.org/apophenia-digest-4-21-october-2016/

    Posted by: Qoppa | Oct 22, 2016 12:17:46 PM | 82

    PavewayIV @ 74

    So you have no citations, we are to take your suppositions on faith?

    you said a lot of things that are verfiably false:

    See? Plausable deniability. A couple of degrees of separation. Yet when the Borg Queen wants to start WWIII next year, she can order the DHS Stazi to order outfits like CloudFlare to do the proper 'shaping' of internet traffic to filter out unwanted information.

    How far is any expose of propaganda like Dusty Boy going to happen if nobody can get to sites like MoA? You'll be able to get to all kinds of tweets and NGO sites crying about Dusty Boy 2.0, but you won't see a tweet or a web site calling them out on their lies. Will you even know they interviewed Assad? Will you know the activist 'photographer' is a paid NGO shill or that he's pals with al Zenki? Nope, not if .gov can help it.

    Assume your "borg queen" is US gov. They don't control, or even have input into Cloudfair.

    Cloudfair (and Proj. Honeypot) provide information on worst spam offenders to law enforcement and have done so for over 10 years. This serves... everybody. There's more crooks in the world then Hillary & Obama, and they are the ones targeted by these efforts.

    As far as your somehow extrapolating un-documented, innuendo accusations into fear your "DHS Stazi" will somehow limit web access to MoA and I guess all kinds of other sites so we all won't see the apocalypse happening in real time... non-sense. Cloudfair (or Honeypot) doesn't have this capability, or even close. At whatever level both are implemented (cms, IP, server and/or firewall, DNS server...) they both provide complete backend real-time access to every blacklisted IP. Any admin at any of these levels checks these regularly. Any blacklisted IP can be removed with a couple clicks at any level in a few seconds.

    Cloudfair/Honeypot does not have autonomy over what you suggest, or even close to it. It is not possible for Cloudfair to do as you suggest.

    You seem oblivious to the fortune Matthew Prince made from monetizing all the data that you helped collect.

    So any admin/ISP etc. using honeypot is automatically part of this great conspiracy (you've already thrown me into it).

    He's a lawyer - you can probabwly figure the rest out.

    Yes; in your book apparently all lawyers are blacklisted and evil... part of the grand conspiracy.

    (...) he was going to take the data you helped collect and sell it to other predatory lawyers or law enforcement for his own personal benefit.

    You have provided no evidence he did. Who are the "predatory" lawyers Prince is in cahoots with? Any evidence at all? Is this just... intuition?

    FYI, Cloudfair (and Honeypot) do not sell data to law enforcement. If you can provide information to the contrary I will stand corrected. What they both do is PROVIDE data to law enforcement, representing the WORST (most damaging) REPEAT hacking-offenders... all of which is compiled by your unwitting "drone" admins all over the planet who use these tools to keep their customer's sites/services up and running. There is no profit or evidence of it in data either of these organizations provide to law enforcement.

    You seem unable to make a distinction between who's keeping web access available and who is trying to destroy the same. You are unwilling to provide evidence to support you claims, and you instead attack rather then make your case.

    The author of that article, Yasha Levine, should know - he wasted time on The HoneyPot Project until he learned the truth.

    We are left to guess what your black-helicopter "truth" is? A horde of un-named "predatory lawyers" lurking to take over the world?

    Here's a few "truths" easily verified:

    - Honeypot has been a registered 501c for over 7 years. All the "drone" data harvestors and contributors (in the 10's of 1000's) you accuse as conspiratorial are, in your book... too dumb to know they are unwittingly funnelling $$ to Prince (who's ahd nothing to do with Honeypot since '09)? Maybe you should post this on their forums, let all these poor fools know they've been had.
    - ISP's all over the planet, in every country with web access, overwhelmingly list Honeypot as part of indispensable firewall config to keep their hosting customers sites undamaged and prevent the email "harvesting' your conspiracy theories wide net accuses them of enabling. Pretty ridiculous.

    ...

    One of the ironies of your convoluted nonsense, which began with 'insight" into the DOS attacks on east coast is... Cloudfare's site was amongst those brought down.

    I'll just leave this as a useful exercise in bull shit detection, unless someone cares to have a useful discussion clearing up this nonsense.


    Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 22, 2016 12:33:49 PM | 83

    scemes are for motion picture movies
    what we see
    here is not a scene but actuality reality.
    truth cannot be hidden
    truth can be seen
    truth cannot be shot scene.
    we have to use are eyes and emotion.
    emotional content is what we crave
    it is what makes us human what we see here hair now with these photo clips goes on everyday by the score ten fold in all the fragile outposts of israel.
    if obarma sotoro believes bribing israel with a small trifle of 48 billion dollars to keep us quite over these arab outrages then he has another thing coming.

    the news is are windows to the world from that window we can see the birth pangs of arab spring.
    if the arab cannot live in these lands without polluting them then alas maybe it is best if they go to montana,ohio,detroit,scotland,wales and londonistan.
    as a people we need to view programmed news and doccumentary with a clear head and are hearts open to the director producers memes
    listen to the stories of putin assad horror and terror.
    this story would be confusing grey and blunt without the surgeons tavistock chatham house sharp knife knife of black and white
    good and evil

    Posted by: charlesdrake | Oct 22, 2016 12:57:50 PM | 84

    ...is simply means that there's no safe place for children in Syria, so it is against the Russian invasion to Syria Assad Putin Iran and Hezbollah
    Posted by: Abdelrazek Hamed | Oct 22, 2016 8:35:18 AM | 62

    Hi Abdel,

    Could I ask you to first please turn off the TV. Once you've done that, I'll ask you to give some thought as to where Syrian civilians are fleeing to if they are not fleeing to Europe or neighbouring countries. It doesn't take too long to begin to realise they are fleeing to the safe government help parts of the country - eg, fleeing from East Aleppo to West Aleppo (that is of course when Al Nusra and affiliate snipers are not gunning Syrian civilians down upon leaving via designated safe exit corridors.)

    Or perhaps you are the type who would rather see future rule within Syria that is only sympathic towards the Salafist way, intolerant of difference...this in place of the secular state that Assad presided over. The immediate Syrian choice is a binary one - Headchoppers Inc & chaos VS a secular, rightful sovereign state.

    As one BBC 4 caller who is Syrian, and still has family based in Syria, said as he repeatedly blew the British/Westerm MSM narrative out of the water on live air: "why did not Assad capitulate within the first year of conflict...? Because the people know they are better off with him than the other."
    (1st caller, Syrian from Aleppo, Rad, from 1:30)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07w5ydx

    Have a listen... And good luck with your story Abdel, I'll take Rad's sane version of events, cheers buddy all the best.

    Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 22, 2016 1:06:43 PM | 85

    "Yet when the Borg Queen wants to start WWIII next year, she can order the DHS Stazi to order outfits like CloudFlare to do the proper 'shaping' of internet traffic to filter out unwanted information." - PavewayIV

    [I] Assume your "borg queen" is US gov.

    Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 22, 2016 12:33:49 PM | 83

    And I assume Borg Queen = Killary

    See my previous re: how well the name "jdmckay" fits with the phrase "You seem oblivious".

    Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 22, 2016 1:28:53 PM | 86

    Paveway IV,

    jdmckay is correct that the Honey Pot whitelisting is good for individual sites. With it they get clean (largely) visitors, smaller logs, quicker response time etc.

    What (s)he does miss, is that it is even better for the likes of CloudFlare for the same reasons. Their data storage requirements are reduced, searches are quicker, false positives are reduced, etc, etc. For them, the benefits are leveraged over thousands and thousands of sites.

    If I was to design a data mining system, I too would prefer to have 'clean' data entering the system. Even better, I would prefer the 'customers' to clean the data for me for free.

    Posted by: Yonatan | Oct 22, 2016 2:28:08 PM | 87

    Al Asad is a torturing tyrant, just like his father.

    Posted by: Paco | Oct 22, 2016 2:38:01 PM | 88

    @88 Paco
    No doubt,the CIA's rendition program included more ME & Euro countries than I could care to count - Syria was not spared. Have a look, a very detailed infographic.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/interactive/2013/may/22/rendition-flights-cia-mapped

    So, what are you gonna do Paco...? Side with Jihadist scum when a sovereign nation is faced with collapse...? Congrats on that.

    Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 22, 2016 2:51:48 PM | 89

    @8 paco.. thus, it is reason for www3 and all the murder and mayhem the usa and the west can provide? and to be replaced with what? take a look at previous examples of the outcome in iraq, libya, or further back... inviting the industrial military complex in to fix things is much worse.. are you buddies with Abdelrazek Hamed @ 62 perchance? looks like it..

    Posted by: james | Oct 22, 2016 3:09:05 PM | 90

    71;I think Trumps win will be too massive to fake,and Trumps claim of fix is the DNC,HRC,Zionist News Network collusion,not poll scams,and the former is now common knowledge.
    The poll scam crap is ziomisdirection to divide and conquer via the black community,because that is where alleged voter intimidation has occurred.As to that veracity,the vote counts were weird,but of course the big 0 inspired blacks.HRC seemed to in the South,right?(why,i have no idea?)Donna Brazile effect?BS sure didn't,did he.That's where he lost his mojo.Funny dat,right Bernie, you mouse?
    I can't fathom the American people voting for such a corrupt,phony,smirking,lying robotic warmongering asshole who has screwed the pooch like no one ever before.Her support is all divide and conquer minority,feminazis zionists and America haters.
    We can't be that f*cked up,and this terrible assault on democracy and Trump will rebound big time,as on almost all the issues,he is better than she.
    No,he's not perfect,but he is an American for America,a most radical position of recent American POTUS's.

    Posted by: dahoit | Oct 22, 2016 4:20:50 PM | 91

    This checkis I would like to talk to him personaly, where are you Reptile? Are you someone send by the Clinton Criminal Machine? Here you have the answer to your commet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBdftTAPvVc

    Posted by: Daniel Cabrera | Oct 22, 2016 6:12:45 PM | 92

    @dahoit 91 (and OT sorry)
    The Don is tapping into the public mood - most notably: anger - better with every speaking engagement - and he's been on the receiving end of everything wrong with American politics for quite a while now. 'Freestyle Trump' was pretty entertaining I thought...smashed his Republican opposition handily enough...but I have to say 'Teleprompter Trump' is the finished article. He's leaving nothing to chance here...gone are the endless, careless soundbites for the MSM to distract and misuse, plus he gets his message home with maximum efficiency. Just a smart play to change campaign management when he did. It was a two part act that won him the Oval Office. The Gettysburg address was pretty decent. Law suits aplenty, and rightfully so...

    Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 22, 2016 6:28:20 PM | 93

    @78 jfl

    So you gonna skip MoA? Because this site is distributed via Cloudfare…

    traceroute www.moonofalabama.org
    traceroute: Warning: www.moonofalabama.org has multiple addresses; using 104.16.105.123
    traceroute to cname-cloudflare.typepad.com (104.16.105.123), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

    ---

    jdmckay is right in a way that Cloudfare does provide a valuable service (both spam + DDOS protection and faster distribution of the site’s pages - CDN). But at the same time, it is part of that tendency on the web to centralise everything. Blogspot, Wordpress, google AMP pages, Weibo, etc are also part of that trend. Each and every of those services are in a way valuable for their users.

    … and that makes it easier to turn the whole to off if “needed”

    Posted by: Philippe | Oct 22, 2016 8:38:58 PM | 94

    @ Honeypot and Cloudfare digression

    As a techie I do want to be supportive of the Honeypot approach but I just am not delusional about its ongoing integrity in our NSA world.

    I find it absurd to believe that the Honeypot data can't be compromised in a heart beat by the NSA to support empire.

    Have folks seen the movie Snowden yet?

    I think that the Bo Dacious comment at 76 does make jdmckay look a bit foolish about his never heard of Yasha Levine statement.

    Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 22, 2016 10:28:54 PM | 95

    Thanks Terry (#72) for the info/article re Clinton and the oligarchs. Canada's International Trade Minister, Chrystia Freeland, is also a friend of the oligarchs, not to mention the Clintons, and Clintonistas like Larry Summers who she refers to as her 'guru.' Like Canada's FM Dion, a former Brookings man, she is also a Russophobe. Let us hope her CETA deal fails. The indomitable John Helmer writes of Freeland, the oligarchs, Canada etc here:
    http://johnhelmer.net/?p=14470

    Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 23, 2016 4:27:14 AM | 96

    jfl, @ 79, you are right of course. My point was more directed towards the PTB-MSM insulating ppl from the effects of war - as shown in isolated pictures - with bogus rationales.

    The aim is always the same, i.e. to fit images and narratives towards narrow personal experiences in the West, to ‘relate’ to the public (a dusty shocked boy is horrribble he needs a bath and those who made him dusty should be reported to child protection services! or whatever), while obfucating the larger scope, and sending them deeper into their parochial, narrow, isolated, vindictive mind-set. Unfortunately: it works.

    Remember when Iraq was going to attack the US with bio-weapons, stalwart housewives had to protect their lovely families with duct-tape?

    Posted by: Noirette | Oct 23, 2016 8:03:15 AM | 97

    ... and you bet then don't have white helmets or even a budget for them in Gaza or Sanaa...

    Posted by: Mina | Oct 23, 2016 11:38:09 AM | 98

    I hear that law enforcement has some very good facial recognition software. Anyone know of anything comparable available to the public? Links?

    Posted by: Richo | Oct 23, 2016 1:02:56 PM | 99

    @woogs @ 28

    Exactly !! Why would b, who runs a clean and useful news and information site want to be a semi professional PR rep / spin doctor for Putin and United Russia? BTW Saker I wonder who killed Motorola? My bet is its the same who killed Muzgovoy - the Kremlin .

    Posted by: tSinilats | Oct 23, 2016 1:51:48 PM | 100

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