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August 26, 2016

The Childish Villain-ification Of Donald Trump

This pic comparing a young Donald Trump with a child figure in some old Nazi propaganda was posted by Doug Saunders, supposedly a serious international-affairs columnist at the Canadian Globe and Mail.

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It is illogical, childish nonsense. But Saunders is by far the only one disqualifying himself as serious commentator by posting such bullshit. Indeed, the villain-ification of Donald Trump is a regular feature which runs through U.S. and international media from the left to the right.

A few examples:

Pinochet. Chavez. Trump? - Politico, Cher compares Donald Trump to Hitler at Clinton fundraiser - Foxnews, Cher Slams Trump At Clinton Fundraiser; Likens Him To Stalin - CBS, Cher Compares Trump to Mao - Newsbuster, Trump is the GOP's Frankenstein monster - Washington Post, Biden on Trump: ‘He woulda loved Stalin - USAToday, Huffington likens Trump to Kim Jong Un - MSN, What Hugo Chávez and Donald Trump have in common - Reuters, The best way to thwart Trump Vader - CNN, Warning From the Syrian Border: Trump Reminds Us a Bit Too Much of Assad - Rolling Stone, News Quiz: Trump Rally or Erdogan Event? - The Intercept, Trump & Putin. Yes, It's Really a Thing - TPM, Trump’s not Hitler, he’s Mussolini - Salon, Media ethics writer compares Trump to Hitler - Politico, Donald Trump’s Insane Praise of Saddam Hussein - Daily Beast, Trump and Lenin - Miami Herald, Insult, provoke, repeat: how Donald Trump became America's Hugo Chávez - The Guardian, The Unstoppable Trump Monster - The Atlantic, Donald Trump is GOP's Dark Lord Voldemort - Townhall, Donald Trump is The Joker: Forget Mussolini and Hitler - Salon, Donald Trump’s Mansions and Saddam Hussein’s Palaces Are Basically the Same - Vanity Fair, Trump and Baghdadi Join Forces - Huffington Post, Echoes of Joe McCarthy in Donald Trump's Rise - RealClearPolitics, Donald Trump's bromance with Vladimir Putin - CNN, Trump's flirtation with fascism - Washington Post, The Maoism of Donald Trump - The New Yorker.

Is there any villain in U.S. (political) culture Donald Trump has not been compare to? Let me know what to search for.

I doubt that this assault on Trump's character is effective. (Hillary Clinton is a more fitting object.) Potential Trump voters will at best ignore it. More likely they will feel confirmed in their belief that all media and media people are anti-Trump and pro-Clinton.

The onslaught only validates what himself Trump claims: that all media are again him, independent of whatever policies he may promote or commit to.

Trump's economic policies as U.S. president would be catastrophic for those most likely to vote for him. Pointing that out, instead of inventing idiotic comparisons to this or that "bad person", would be more effect in dissuading people from voting for him.

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If people voted intelligently in their own self interest the last paragraph would be true. In the real world it seems like appeals to our built in and learned prejudices are more effective in getting votes.

Posted by: Dan Myers | Aug 26, 2016 11:27:48 AM | 1

The jokes on them. Older voters, smarter voters are voting for Trump. If he remains on message and points out those things that do matter then he can win. He has to stop the joking around and being nasty. Be serious and get to the point.

Posted by: Fernando Arauxo | Aug 26, 2016 11:41:25 AM | 2

Since day one, never like Trump, never watches his shows and don't like them either. I'm always against the so call “main stream” ie MSM, silent majority.....

Against my self interest, I'm more likely to vote for Trump and definitely against the Democratic Party.

What have I got to lose?

Posted by: Jack Smith | Aug 26, 2016 11:46:36 AM | 3

I keep seeing on the news how Trump has avoided paying for television ads, and the press write this off due to his ability to get free air time by perpetually owning the news cycle.

I'm an idiot myself, but I wonder if he is going to release a torrent of ads when the election gets much closer. Clinton is a seasoned politician who knows how to spin scandals. People also have short memories in the 24hr news cycle era, so unloading his big guns on her early just begs for those scandals to be lost before people get to the polls. But ammo he does have due to the very seedy nature of Hillary, so if he unloads one after another shots at her, without loosing momentum right up to the election voters may feel so overwhelmed by her untrustworthy-ness and corruption that they recoil and vote for the uncertainty of Trump.

Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Aug 26, 2016 11:47:07 AM | 4

Yeah, let's not have anyone calling the bullying, loudmouthed narcissist with impulse control issues and a schoolyard tag for every opponent childish. Nor any comparison of his insurrectionist "Second Amendment remedy" friends to brownshirts.

I see plenty of policy-based critiques of The Donald. And I see it has about zero effect on most of his supporters. They've bought the sales patter, but have not kicked the tires. To be fair, though, he has made few actual policy proposals, apart from more tax cuts for the rich (like himself), for them to evaluate. Trust him, we'll be great again after we get back to winning. Somehow.

Turnabout is fair play, so I'm all for stunts like this. Is Laughing at Naked Trump "Body-Shaming?" Who Gives a F*ck.

Oh, and it doesn't seem to have done the Clinton campaign any harm. Quinnipiac University says "We are starting to hear the faint rumblings of a Hillary Clinton landslide as her 10-point lead is further proof that Donald Trump is in a downward spiral as the clock ticks...."

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 26, 2016 11:47:38 AM | 5

@Fernando Arauxo | Aug 26, 2016 11:41:25 AM | 2

Trump can joke and talk all the nonsense he want, still it won't change my mind. I know Hillary including Bernie Sanders - they're from the same pot of shit.

The only question remain, should I vote for Jill Stein to bring her Green Party percentage up? Jill Stein spoke repeatedly she will stop all aids to any country and NOT only Israel if human right are abuse - not exact words.

Further she is a strong support of BDS even as Canada Green Party leader not in favor "Canadian MP Elizabeth May told reporters on Monday that she will stay on as leader of Canada’s Green Party after saying she was considering stepping down because of her opposition to the party’s recently-adopted policy of endorsing the strategy of Boycott Divest and Sanction against Israel. "

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=17070

Posted by: Jack Smith | Aug 26, 2016 12:04:00 PM | 6

For decades, at least 40 years, it was a whisper that the international medias have been sitting in the lap of a certain 3 letter agency. The mission: Manufacturing Consent by Deception.

Globalism, War & Chaos
brought by The Establishment owners of Deep Shadow Government

This quote from Robert Faurisson who is tagged a Halocaust denier may offend those who cannot be criticized:


“As for the petty little world of journalism, the media demonstrates how it, more than anyone, is careful to traffic only in authorized ideas and waves; while at the same time it fosters, through its antics, the illusion of a free circulation of ideas and opinions – not unlike jesters in a tyrant’s court “ -


An old article by John Pilger via PCR

War by media and the triumph of propaganda

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/12/07/guest-article-john-pilger-war-media-triumph-propaganda/


In the 18th century, Edmund Burke described the role of the press as a Fourth Estate checking the powerful. Was that ever true? It certainly doesn’t wash any more. What we need is a Fifth Estate: a journalism that monitors, deconstructs and counters propaganda and teaches the young to be agents of people, not power. We need what the Russians called perestroika – an insurrection of subjugated knowledge. I would call it real journalism.

~ ~ ~

Add the pollsters in this deception. If polling samples are heavily weighted with yellow-dog Democrats the result is a Clinton lead. One only has to look at crowd draw: Trump = 7,000-10,000; Hiltery can’t fill a kindergarten play-pen.
Suggest the Trump campaign deploy IT personnel to inspect all Diebold software seconds before voting commences.

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@ b. Is there any villain in U.S. (political) culture Donald Trump has not been compare to? Let me know what to search for.

Yes. A watermelon-eating donkey.


Posted by: likklemore | Aug 26, 2016 12:20:49 PM | 7

Once you wade through all the bullsh*t propaganda and get past the scare tactics, you find that a vote for Jill Stein/Green Party is the only rational vote.

Even better: send a few bucks and/or volunteer.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26, 2016 12:22:27 PM | 8

@Jackrabbit | Aug 26, 2016 12:22:27 PM | 8

A small donation few mths back and last week the Green party send me
a flyer and almost forgot about it. Will enclosed another small donation
for a good cause.

Thanks for the reminder. We may disagrees at time but we are on the same page.
I'm a die-hard against the Democrat

Posted by: Jack Smith | Aug 26, 2016 12:36:59 PM | 9

In 8 years $Hillary was a US Senator (D-NY) she accomplished nothing of note. I actually went to one of her public appearances thinking I would hear something positive. She appeared to be an idiot when speaking extemporaneously. Clueless and incapable of expressing empathy with mere mortals. If there are debates with 'The Donald' I would expect that Her Highness will be reading a teleprompter. Her handlers do not allow her to speak off the cuff lest she reveal her total lack of human empathy and a state of perpetual clueless detachment from reality. $hill and 'The Donald.' Sad days for the Republic.

Posted by: ALberto | Aug 26, 2016 12:38:22 PM | 10

I think you missed the most dastardly comparison of them all:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ETGyhH5_CK4/hqdefault.jpg

But seriously, anyone who would willingly vote for either of these two scumbags is a moral leper.

Posted by: AlanSmithee | Aug 26, 2016 12:38:36 PM | 11

People vote against their own self interests only because bought-and-paid-for MSM and political pundits SAY that a third-party can't win.

If everyone would simply turn off toxic media and simply vote for their best interest the establishment would stop taking us all for granted.

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What is better:

Trump is elected but Obama-Hillary Democratic "Third-Way" back-stabbing sell-outs are replaced by a real left opposition led by Greens?

- OR -

Obama-Hillary fake left squashes real opposition for another 8 years while extending and deepening the soul-crushing neolib/neocon disaster?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26, 2016 12:41:44 PM | 12

"Trump's economic policies as U.S. president would be catastrophic for those most likely to vote for him."

US has to move away from its current hyper-financialized FIRE-based economy toward one based more on making things. There's only a chance to do that under Trump, since HRC is totally owned by Wall Street and the Perpetual War lobby.

Posted by: crv | Aug 26, 2016 12:44:04 PM | 13

Sure that's not a picture of young Boris Yeltsin, and not Donald Trump?

Posted by: Vapors | Aug 26, 2016 12:50:11 PM | 14

Trump vs. Hillary: A Summation — Paul Craig Roberts

The US presidential election this November will tell whether a majority of the US population is irredeemably stupid. If voters elect Hillary, we will know that Americans are stupid beyond redemption.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/25/trump-vs-hillary-a-summation-paul-craig-roberts/

Posted by: h | Aug 26, 2016 12:50:22 PM | 15

I love the unimaginative childishness of the bile & vitriol from the anti-Trump crowd. It's the sort of Pointless Prattle one expects to hear from the State Dept or a Pentagoon.
Kindergarten Cranks?

And talking about b & v, how far from Podunk is Quinnipiac University?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 26, 2016 12:51:43 PM | 16

@ rm 5 @ JS 6 @ Jr 8

The Polls: Recall summer 1980.

Carter (D) = 39%
Reagan (R) = 32%
Anderson (I) = 21%

Who took it? Polls are still unreliable. The poll sampling is key.

I don’t have a vote. On November 08, the real problem is one of the two will be (s)elected. Your decision does weigh heavily and guarantees the selection. Can you support another 4-8 years of the certified corrupt Clinton couple?


Posted by: likklemore | Aug 26, 2016 12:52:04 PM | 17

Paul Joseph Watson responds to Hillary's racism speech - The Truth About Hillary's 'Alt-Right' Speech - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufkHt8dgG8I

Posted by: h | Aug 26, 2016 12:53:23 PM | 18

Isn't it funny how when you say things like "Hitler never ordered nor permitted that anyone be killed by reason of his race or religion" people somehow tag you as a Holocaust denier? Go figure.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 26, 2016 1:00:49 PM | 19

Posted by: AlanSmithee | Aug 26, 2016 12:38:36 PM | 11

I humbly disagree, even if the scumbag turns out to be another Pot Pol, I will still vote for Trump. You are an apologist no doubt?

BTW, a Black teenage DNC foot solders knocks at my door before CA super Tuesday primary. I told the fucking foot solder get FUCK and he shows me a similar pic of Trump. I shouted I will vote for him against bastard like YOU!

I'm way below Fed poverty guidelines a senior depends on my meager S/S. Even if Trump the so call scumbag cut my S/S completely. I will still vote for him and his kinds.

You should hear our (my) story(ies) before call us (me) a moral leper. I'm vote against my self interest against ppl like you!!

Posted by: Jack Smith | Aug 26, 2016 1:02:16 PM | 20

There is a third way to effectively cast a ballot outside the two main party's candidates and that is not to vote at all. This is effective as a historical fact that some fraction of eligible voters did not participate (whatever the cause) and the winning candidate was enabled by some plurality rather than a majority of the eligible electorate. Throwing away one's vote in a fit of moral superiority is an effective way to throw away one's voting rights, but then the 'moral majority' that wrecked the Republic never realised their culpability and still haven't. Not one of the minority candidates became anything more than a sad footnote to history - not one.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 26, 2016 1:05:10 PM | 21

I guess instead of violating Goodwin law, or complain one-sidedly, we should eschew "Hitlery" and "fascist Trump", and find some high-brow metaphors.

My proposals:

Hillary

and

Trump

But I started to doubt once I understood the gist of the song of Escamillo. After some generalities, he tells the events at the bull fight. Among the shouts of the spectators, a big bull is released from the corral. A picador woulds his back, then he is further wounded with banderillas. Bleeding, the bull retreats, only to wheel back and charge once more. Then the torero, with cape and sword, waits for him, fully alert (toreador, en guard!) to misdirect the bull a few times and deliver the final stab. Is Trump the torero or the bull?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 26, 2016 1:08:48 PM | 22

The only villan I can think of that he hasn't been compared to is the Talmudic Jew .I wonder why ?

Posted by: Terry | Aug 26, 2016 1:14:29 PM | 23

All the Trump bashing just reinforces the Propaganda System's utter lack of credibility and imagination. The underlying nature of numerous political websites is also exposed thanks to their shilling for HRC--particularly those calling themselves Progressive: No Genuine Progressive would support HRC, or Sanders now that he's exposed himself for what he is, a Chevrolet Liberal. The launching of the self-proclaimed "Our Revolution" website/organization is yet another DNC-based sham that studiously avoids any mention of the military or foreign policy on its "Issues" page, which again belies its nature since the #1 issue for all Genuine Progressives is War and being against it. Still have 10 weeks to go. Stein has earned all the votes within my household.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 26, 2016 1:20:22 PM | 24

I'm not a big fan of Trump's but I find that people don't argue about his politics, but insult him and his wife on a personal basis.

This makes me think that it's the turn of the 'Left' in the USA to become immature and resort to name calling. Remember when it was the 'Right' that made fun of Kerry's Purple Heart?

Which also exposes the problem with politics worldwide - the Left and the Right have met at the extremes and we now see progressives arguing for burkinis and the right arguing for workers' rights by trying to prevent the TPP, etc.

Posted by: mischi | Aug 26, 2016 1:29:27 PM | 25

Watching Hillary Clinton I have a certain sympathy for Bill, who was wrongfully accused of a sexual liaison with Monica. What really happened was, after a disagreeable meal at the White House Bill told Monica to "sack my cook" of course Monica did not hear him right.
Hillary is a one woman criminal enterprise and she's the monster's mother. [a comment from the intercept]

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 26, 2016 1:44:01 PM | 26

There's a whole new demographic out there raised on twitter and potty jokes. What they really want is to see Donald and Hillary on Dancing With The Stars.

Posted by: dh | Aug 26, 2016 1:48:16 PM | 27

It is called 'Psychological Projection' and seems to be successful for the good reason of being widespread inherent in the population itself. To project one's own shortcomings, flaws and crimes onto somebody else is as common, as it is based on the lack of real intelligence - no, not the one that is derived from fancy questionnaires, or adding numbers.
Real intelligence includes the understanding that sitting in a glasshouse throwing rocks does not qualify to be such. It also includes the understanding to be inseparable part of one's environment - a shared environment indicating that there is only interdependence, not separation.
Furthermore, real intelligence includes compassion, kindness and the will to walk in somebody else's shoes.

This intelligence is sorely missing in the majority of people that are entrusted with 'journalistic' work, or working in public offices. The stench of being "holier that thou" is covering the U.S.A. and wafts to Europe were it is now also modus operandi.

The best course of action would be to punish those who engage in this kind of demagoguery with nonobservance.

Posted by: Stillnottheonly1 | Aug 26, 2016 1:56:02 PM | 28

I love the unimaginative childishness of the bile & vitriol from the anti-Trump crowd. It's the sort of Pointless Prattle one expects to hear from the State Dept or a Pentagoon.
Kindergarten Cranks?

And talking about b & v, how far from Podunk is Quinnipiac University?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 26, 2016 12:51:43 PM | 16

Nice to see the resident Zio-Racist shill (rufus magister | Aug 26, 2016 11:47:38 AM | 5) getting her little panties all bunched up over the mere prospect of everyone not marching in step to their "Heil Hillary" shenanigans

Posted by: Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 2:09:16 PM | 29

It won't be Trump who brings us fascism as the images implies, but more likely Clinton if she wins and if the Democrats can win over one of the Houses of Congress. As the campaign goes on, these comparisons add up and create in the minds of anybody anti-Trump an actual equivalency to in particular Hitler. This is one half of the combustion needed to go down the road to fascism.

There is something else that Trump given the Russian hysteria is being called--a traitor. The thing is, Hillary supports believe this to be true in a criminal sense. It is not just some throw away smear normal for any election. I have seen way too way postings in major democratic party sites calls for basically the resurrection of the House Un-American Activities Committee. These supporters are historically clueless on what they are asking for, and I would imagine the same with much of the democratic party lawmakers in Congress.

I can see if Hillary wins, witch hunts against anti-war protesters, or people who believe we should have rapprochement with Russia and China. The goal will be to criminalize and punish dissenting views on foreign and war policies because the constant Putin/Trump/Hitler/Stalin/etc comparisons created the foundation for actual criminal accusations.

And the witch hunts will spread beyond war and foreign policy. Look at what is going on in Europe. Literally, and I do mean literally, every problem is being attributed to Putin "weaponizing" some issue. Serious politicians accused Putin of using drunken Russian fans during the Euro futbol championships of starting fights to support Brexit. The Polish minister for internal security accused Putin of master minding the Paris terrorist attacks. And these guys get away with the most outlandish accusations. As the real Nazis understood, repetition of lies is the foundation of propaganda to move people into action.

Posted by: Erelis | Aug 26, 2016 2:09:44 PM | 30

Vapors@14 Its not Boris Yeltsin, its Boris Johnson http://oi64.tinypic.com/zno56o.jpg

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 26, 2016 2:11:35 PM | 31

The underlying nature of numerous political websites is also exposed thanks to their shilling for HRC--particularly those calling themselves Progressive: No Genuine Progressive would support HRC, or Sanders now that he's exposed himself for what he is, a Chevrolet Liberal.

Well the resident Zio-Racist Hill-shill (rufus magister | Aug 26, 2016 11:47:38 AM | 5) likes to pretend he is some sort of progressive, but still can't keep from outing himself by banging on non-stop about the Zio-Racists favourite talking points (Heil hillary and "holocaustholocaustholocaut!!")

Posted by: Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 2:14:21 PM | 32

@ Alberto 10

She appeared to be an idiot when speaking extemporaneously. Clueless and incapable of expressing empathy with mere mortals. If there are debates with 'The Donald' I would expect that Her Highness will be reading a teleprompter. Her handlers do not allow her to speak off the cuff [.]

Very interesting because I have been discussing with colleagues here the Don should be honing his debating skill sets as Hillary is a trained lawyer/politician.


Posted by: likklemore | Aug 26, 2016 2:15:41 PM | 33

MoA-readers, who are left/progressive/intellectual/democratic/anti-Trump, are warmongering idiots.

Posted by: From The Hague | Aug 26, 2016 2:22:04 PM | 34

Even if Hillary is elected, her mandate will be haunted by her email stupidity and the Clinton foundation cupidity. She will be paralyzed and may not even finish her mandate. To avoid the looming shame, I think she should work NOT to be elected so she can leave the political scene with till some dignity.

Posted by: virgile | Aug 26, 2016 2:36:44 PM | 35

@harrylaw | Aug 26, 2016 1:44:01 PM | 26

"...certain sympathy for cock-sucker giver (Bill)....wrongfully accused"

Did I read correctly? Conveniently forgot "Repeal of Glass-Steagall Act?” It was repealed during the self-confessed cock-sucker giver or provider watch?

It amasses me how anyone can blank out bad News and reinvents new ones. BTW, I watched the whole debacles on TV and etc....

The cock-sucker giver should have impeached and include, Dubya, Obomo and etc....

BTW, cock-sucker is NOT unkind word, it happens and Monica Samille Lewinsky told co-worker Linda Tripp about her relationship with the cock-sucker provider.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Aug 26, 2016 2:40:40 PM | 36

@virgile | Aug 26, 2016 2:36:44 PM | 35

Sorrie not being rude. :-)

The elections, blah, blah... and blah are Disneylands, make believe American's Dreams We all participates like fools, ME too!

Posted by: Jack Smith | Aug 26, 2016 2:49:09 PM | 37

Putin, Trump, the American people, any foreigner...no difference to the evil US Empire.

Now that Trumps not a "genius" any more, with Trump completely changing tactics to really struggling being a fake nice guy, showed that he's was in big trouble with political popularity. Trump the racist Appealing to African-Americans was just a demented and sick desperate joke. He's handlers wanted to change the message, but Trump reverted to despicable form because he can't help himself.

If evil Rrump stuck to his successful messages of political corruption and jobs back to America, he would be president. By being such a publicly, racist misogynist, contradictory, lying, backtracking, torture loving piece of shit, he wouldn't be driving so many fake liberals to the Demoncratic party.

the complicit criminal media built-up the very same Trump that they are severely attaking and lying about now. Their complicity is obvious. Building up Trump in the first place, then trying setting up a democratic victory for Hillary Clinton, one of the most evil persons in the world. And voted in college to be the most likely to start WW3.

Posted by: tom | Aug 26, 2016 3:14:07 PM | 38

Regarding voting against one's own interests, the Republican majority leader of the senate just said no to TPP for the time being... Draw your own conclusions; I'm more bemused by the parallels to eastern Europe under Soviet vs NATO occupation.

Posted by: Johan Meyer | Aug 26, 2016 3:50:48 PM | 39

Those who see Trump as some kinda Messiah need a cold shower. An ice cold one. All in all still better than war criminal Hillary.

Posted by: xyz | Aug 26, 2016 4:05:16 PM | 40

FBI Admits Clinton Used Software Designed To "Prevent Recovery" And "Hide Traces Of" Deleted Emails

. . .Clinton's use of BleachBit undermines her claims that she only deleted innocuous "personal" emails from her private server

“If she considered them to be personal, then she and her lawyers had those emails deleted.  They didn’t just push the delete button, they had them deleted where even God can't read them.

"They were using something called BleachBit You don't use BleachBit for yoga emails."

"When you're using BleachBit, it is something you really do not want the world to see."

Posted by: Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 4:31:43 PM | 41

The Maoism of Trump....i smell a pullitzer prize.

@40 xyz
Yeah...probly further decay and decline either way, just ...we'd all be better off without the ongoing 'Pyromania Abroad' policy. how many of us will live to see that policy shift...? It's all we've known. The normal.

@34 FTH
Why just MoA readers...? Surely you should be casting a much wider net.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Aug 26, 2016 4:37:29 PM | 42

The Bilderbeg group meeting has already decided who should become president, the media has been ordered to get this person elected.

Posted by: meok | Aug 26, 2016 4:37:40 PM | 43

Wow!

Vitriol galore! If the arguments made above ... either way ... are the best we can do then maybe electing Hillary and hoping for WW3 is the lessor of evils. As I've said before, not a bad idea.

On the other hand, did anyone read what Eric Zuesse had to say: http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/08/23/hellish-end-soon-record-high-likelihood-both-nuclear-burnout.html

Kinda puts real hope in all of your scenarios.

Posted by: rg the lg | Aug 26, 2016 4:51:43 PM | 44

Posted by: From The Hague | Aug 26, 2016 2:22:04 PM | 34

"MoA-readers, who are left/progressive/intellectual/democratic/anti-Trump, are warmongering idiots."

No, the true idiocy is with those who still buy into this concocted left/right, liberal/conservative, D/R scheme to oppress the masses. Divide and conquer at its very best. The Romans would cry tears of joy how their principle is so successfully implemented - since over 200 years.

To be bold here: a 'left' mother loves her child as much as a 'right' mother and even more so the grandparents. Any grandparent here that denies their grandchildren their love based on the fact that their children cling on to a different belief? And that it is in its entirety - made believe by the Plutocrats and the sheople throw shit at each other instead of UPWARDS.

Posted by: Stillnottheonly1 | Aug 26, 2016 5:07:58 PM | 45

#8&9

Voting Green also

Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 26, 2016 5:08:39 PM | 46

Like many, I've been on this progressive forum and others since the 2k election debacle. I've worked hard for issues on the ground, put my $$ where my mouth is (lots of $$), started a 501c here and fought for environmental matters for 5 years...

And when it's said and done, the little progress here & there has been swallowed up by rampant corruption everywhere (not just in U.S.). Forum postings and comments now seem meaningless, expressions of frustration.

Jill Stein is the only candidate I've seen (maybe my whole life) whose proposals make perfect sense, who addresses most everything (even people here) have lamented since the Billmon days, and has nobody in her pocket pulling her strings. She knows more about what's wrong in ME (accurately) then best lifetime Foreign Policy wonks I've ever heard. And what she wants to do is doable & possible, regardless what even some commenters here say dismissing her with a 2 bit sound-bite ("Jewish princess", "anti-vaxxer" etc.), all lies.

I'm working for her here, will vote for her with great enthusiasm, and hope enough people wake up to get behind her before we fry the planet and nuke each other amidst endless debate about Bill's blow job's, the "lesser evil" and the fitness of a complete ass hole like Trump.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

Posted by: Jim McKay | Aug 26, 2016 5:11:46 PM | 47

Two Worst Possible Candidates Running for U.S. Presidency

[Full Text Of Hillary Clinton’s Speech On The Alt-Right ...]

Just yesterday, one of Britain’s most prominent right-wing leaders, Nigel Farage, who stoked anti-immigrant sentiments to win the referendum on leaving the European Union, campaigned with Donald Trump in Mississippi.

Farage has called for a ban on the children of legal immigrants from public schools and health services, has said women are quote “worth less” than men, and supports scrapping laws that prevent employers from discriminating based on race ― that’s who Trump wants by his side.

The godfather of this global brand of extreme nationalism is Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In fact, Farage has appeared regularly on Russian propaganda programs. Now he’s standing on the same stage as the Republican nominee.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 26, 2016 5:12:26 PM | 48

Eric Zuesse = Chicken Little

Posted by: Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 5:16:22 PM | 49

Lol PRAVDA

During a campaign rally in Nevada, US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton spoke about the dangers of right-wing forces in power, as well as about problems of racism.

"Clinton noted that her rival Donald Trump supported the policies of Russian President Vladimir Putin. As for relations with Russia, the views of Donald Trump come contrary to the views of all American presidents, from "Truman to Reagan."

"He talks casually of abandoning our NATO allies, recognizing Russia's annexation of Crimea, giving the Kremlin a free hand in eastern Europe. American presidents from Truman, to Reagan, to Bush, to Clinton, to Obama have rejected the kind of approach Trump is taking on Russia. And we should, too," Clinton said.

"Vladimir Putin is the grand-godfather of this global brand of extreme nationalism.", Hillary Clinton said", (while standing in front of a gigantic American Flag, without a trace of Irony detectable in her voice)

Posted by: Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 5:22:34 PM | 50

Hatred of Trump is nothing more than cloaked Jewish hatred of white Christians. Go ahead and take my comment down, but you are too smart to not know the truth deep down in your heart. This above all else, lie to yourself to protect the Jewish lies.

Posted by: Tim808 | Aug 26, 2016 5:29:02 PM | 51

About the most successful 'breakaway political movement' ever was probably the Dixiecrats in the 1948 election which actually garnered a small fraction of the electoral college, but that was using the apparatus of an organised national political party existent regionally. Outside the two traditional parties, there is no effective national political party. One has to be hammer stupid to think that will be any different, no matter how sweet and becoming anybody's presentations are; but Duhmerica (the space between Canada and Mexico) is exceptional in their adherence to dumb. This election will prove beyond all doubt the stupidity of the Duhmerican electorate. You have no one but yourselves to credit, Stupidity Excelsior!

Next time keep your idiot elections to yourselves - Please.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 26, 2016 5:31:02 PM | 52

Philip Giraldi• August 23, 2016 - http://www.unz.com/article/are-the-clintons-israeli-agents/

On August 5th, Michael Morell, a former acting Director of the CIA, pilloried GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump, concluding that he was an “unwitting agent of Russia.” Morell, who entitled his New York Times op-ed “I Ran the CIA and now I’m endorsing Hillary Clinton,” described the process whereby Trump had been so corrupted. According to Morell, Putin, it seems, as a wily ex-career intelligence officer, is “trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. That is exactly what he did early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump’s vulnerabilities… In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.”

So who is guilty of putting the interests of a foreign government ahead of those of the United States? I know there are advocates for any number of foreign states running around loose in Washington but the friends of Israel in government and the media come immediately to mind largely because there are so many of them, they are very much in-your-face and they are both extremely well-funded and very successful. Now deceased former Congressman Tom Lantos and Senator Frank Lautenberg were, respectively, often referred to as the congressman and senator from Israel. And there are many more: Chuck Schumer, Chuck Grassley, Ben Cardin, Bob Menendez, Tom Cotton, Mark Kirk, Nita Lowey, Ted Deutch, Brad Sherman, Ileana-Ros Lehtinen and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to name only a few in the Congress. All are major recipients of Israel related PAC money and all are reliable defenders of Israel no matter what Benjamin Netanyahu does and no matter how it effects the United States.

And then there are the Clintons. One only has to go back to Bill’s one-sided pro-Israeli diplomacy at Camp David in 2000 to discern how the game was played. And then there was the widely condemned January 2001 last minute pardon of Mossad agent Marc Rich, whose wife Denise was a major contributor to the Clintons, to realize that there was always a deference to Israeli interests particularly when money was involved. The only problem is that the Clintons, relying on Morell’s formulation, might more reasonably be described as witting agents of Israel rather than unwitting as they have certainly known what they have been doing and have been actively supporting Israeli policies even when damaging to U.S. interests since they first emerged from the primordial political swamps in Arkansas. If one were completely cynical it might be possible to suggest that they understood from the beginning that pandering to Israel and gaining access to Jewish power and money would be a major component in their rise to political prominence. It certainly has worked out that way.

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So who is guilty of putting the interests of a foreign government ahead of those of the United States? I know there are advocates for any number of foreign states running around loose in Washington but the friends of Israel in government and the media come immediately to mind largely because there are so many of them, they are very much in-your-face and they are both extremely well-funded and very successful. Now deceased former Congressman Tom Lantos and Senator Frank Lautenberg were, respectively, often referred to as the congressman and senator from Israel. And there are many more: Chuck Schumer, Chuck Grassley, Ben Cardin, Bob Menendez, Tom Cotton, Mark Kirk, Nita Lowey, Ted Deutch, Brad Sherman, Ileana-Ros Lehtinen and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to name only a few in the Congress. All are major recipients of Israel related PAC money and all are reliable defenders of Israel no matter what Benjamin Netanyahu does and no matter how it effects the United States.

And then there are the Clintons. One only has to go back to Bill’s one-sided pro-Israeli diplomacy at Camp David in 2000 to discern how the game was played. And then there was the widely condemned January 2001 last minute pardon of Mossad agent Marc Rich, whose wife Denise was a major contributor to the Clintons, to realize that there was always a deference to Israeli interests particularly when money was involved. The only problem is that the Clintons, relying on Morell’s formulation, might more reasonably be described as witting agents of Israel rather than unwitting as they have certainly known what they have been doing and have been actively supporting Israeli policies even when damaging to U.S. interests since they first emerged from the primordial political swamps in Arkansas. If one were completely cynical it might be possible to suggest that they understood from the beginning that pandering to Israel and gaining access to Jewish power and money would be a major component in their rise to political prominence. It certainly has worked out that way.

Posted by: Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 5:33:47 PM | 53

Tom @38: "Trump the racist Appealing to African-Americans was just a demented and sick desperate joke. "

It is actually not stupid. First, raising his support among the Blacks from 1% to 2% may help. More importantly, he has to work on the vote of educated whites, especially suburban female Republicans where he lags.

However, a position that he is not racist is ... misguided, say. Through most of his life, Trump simply donated to all elected politicians in areas where he was doing business, as it is apparently necessary for every serious developer. But in recent years he became sort of Republican activists, and his premiere issue was "birthism". A conspiracy theory alleging that Obama was born abroad. Incidentally, Ted Cruz was born abroad, in Canada, of non-citizen father and American citizen mother, and, surprise, surprise, he is perfectly eligible to run for President, but simple legal arguments like that, not to mention actual documents from a hospital in Hawaii did not satisfy the insane crowd. The only motivation that is non-insane is ugly: harping on "otherness" of mix-race President with Muslim first name and African last name.

Or Trump harping that he would be more successful in foreign policy because he would be "more respected" than a women or a Black boy.

Trump supports police brutality, down to gunning down unarmed poor folks (to err on the side of caution) and death penalty, for innocently accused as it turned later. Somehow a white person killing poor women and refrigerating the corpses does not lead to conniptions and full page newspaper ads, unlike black youth accused of rape. This is really harking to good old time of lynch mobs. LITERALLY.

And this: "Trump blamed financial difficulties partly on African American accountants.

“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza — black guys counting my money!” O’Donnell’s book quoted Trump as saying. “I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else. . . . Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is; I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 26, 2016 6:03:50 PM | 54

The cheap and childish vilainfication of Trump is making him a hero...

Posted by: virgile | Aug 26, 2016 7:34:50 PM | 55

Small correction: "But Saunders is by far" should be 'not by far' - otherwise it suggests that only Saunders is doing this.

On point. Yes, the Canadian media can be just as bad as the American media.

Posted by: zx | Aug 26, 2016 8:00:12 PM | 56

@55 virgile.. either that, or it makes the msm look like what it actually is - propaganda tool for the 1% with jackass journalists in tow..

Posted by: james | Aug 26, 2016 8:13:11 PM | 57

As a long time observer of elections and history, it seems that this time both parties have figured out the value of identity politics and are using that instead of any intelligent discussion of issues to sway voters.

It's probably the total ownership of the media by the oligarchs that allows them to do this, as it appears that no issues such as TPP or the wasteful MIC are ever discussed.

Identity politics allows everything to be emotional and not rational, and it appears to be working for anyone who does not have the time or volition to read with care.

Posted by: Michael | Aug 26, 2016 8:32:03 PM | 58

Make no mistake: Hillary Clinton is on record as calling for funding of Islamist groups in Syria and overthrowing Assad. If she is elected, we’re very likely to see a full-scale US intervention, with US forces openly and aggressively confronting not only Syrian government forces but also facing off with the Russians.

Anyone calling for people to support Hilary Clinton, irrespective of whatever dishonest reasoning they use to try and con people into thinking it is a good idea, is calling for more war, more murder of brown-skinned middle eastern muslims and christians etc., and most importantly: more profits for the US/Zionist Death Machine.

Make no mistake about that, these shitty Hillary-supporting people cannot claim that they do not know what that that is what they are doing, because she has been quite vocal in her support for more war and more murder (on behalf of Isreal naturally)

It may be that, despite his rethoric, and like Oboma before him, Trump will bring all those things too, should he win, but we DO know for sure what Killary intends, because we have already seen her handywork, and she has promised more of the same

Posted by: Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 8:57:05 PM | 59

@Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 8:57:05 PM | 59

It may be that, despite his rethoric........ Trump will (may) bring all those things too, ....

We can agree both are scumbags. Never mind who the lesser evils.
Seriously and I mean it! NO sarcasm intended. Please share your views and why?

Whom should we vote beside Jill Stein?

Posted by: Jack Smith | Aug 26, 2016 9:16:47 PM | 60

The proper question is : after Obama, why do people like you still think that voting is of any use?

When did it ever change anything?

You going to have to come up with something a tad more effective than mere voting if you want it to change.

Personally I think the US deserves a Trump presidency.

Posted by: Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 9:43:14 PM | 61

Rufus at 19: why link to irrelevant OT wikipedia?

There's Hillary, whose delusion is that she has any political game. Certainly not enough to get elected President, even against a reality TV host. Then there's Donald, whose delusion is that he actually _is_ the person he plays on TV.

In the midst of the insanity is Jill. JIILLLLLLL people!

OT, but did Bill marry Hill as a firewall against any possibility he might act on his more than occasional human/humane instincts? She certainly would have none of that, he must've known. NOTHING must stand in the way of ambition.

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 26, 2016 9:51:02 PM | 62

In the midst of the insanity is Jill. JIILLLLLLL people! The Good Fairy, riding her Unicorn!!!!!!

UNICORNS ARE REAL!!!!!!

Vote for the unicorn riding Good Fairy!

Posted by: Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 9:58:04 PM | 63

if it was off topic, see likklemore at 7.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 26, 2016 10:16:19 PM | 64

virgile | Aug 26, 2016 2:36:44 PM | 35 --

What Hillary ought to do is very simple: Resign (or whatever verb works for this presidential nominee situation), Apologize to all the voters who chose her. Explain that she would probably be impeached and would be essentially neutered.

She should then tell the public that Bernie Sanders would do the best for all the people of this nation.

Like that will ever happen....

Posted by: jawbone | Aug 26, 2016 10:19:23 PM | 65

@jawbone | Aug 26, 2016 10:19:23 PM | 65

"What Hillary ought to do is very simple: Resign"

I don't think she can, she's just a puppet, and her handlers would never let that happen. Her only chance is with her body finally giving in overwhelmed with guilt, stress, medication, her only way out...

Look what they did to Reagan and the pope JP2 - GHWB failed with his assassins, but after the attempts, both these puppets were basically doing what told, with only little freedom left to do some good things (served well for maintaining appearances).

Which brings again that question to my mind - why did they let Hinckley the patsy out recently, what's he's being set up for..?

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 26, 2016 10:37:23 PM | 66

Oooo! Shillary! Such refined thinking.

Face it, the US has always been corrupt. "The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry" reviewed here: http://www.chicagoreviewpress.com/american-slave-coast--the-products-9781613748206.php
says it all. Thomas Jefferson, a hero? What about George Washington, the land owner?

Trump and Clinton are only unusual in that most Duhmericans have finally no choice but to admit they are venal.

Stein, who could NEVER win, seems honorable. Johnson may be a wacked out libertarian, but he is a well meaning wacko.

Great choices for the great democracy, light of the world, exceptional nation!

I agree, Duhmerican politics are stupid ... the dumbest people in the world make it so. Then again, is any place humans habitate NOT idiotically insane stupid?

Posted by: rg the lg | Aug 26, 2016 11:35:54 PM | 67

"Trump's economic policies as U.S. president would be catastrophic for those most likely to vote for him."

If the US is to cease being an empire, the average American is going to go through hard times for a bit. If the US continues as a declining empire, the average American citizen will go through hard times plus another lot of harder times when the declining empire crashes and burns.

Posted by: Peter AU | Aug 26, 2016 11:49:22 PM | 68

Peter at 68: No, that's conventional economic thinking. Americans or any people will have good economic times if the government stimulates the economy in ways that grow high-paying jobs, restructures economic power toward workers, and massively redistributes income to the middle and working classes. Empire or no Empire.

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 27, 2016 12:26:03 AM | 69

If only Trump were like Hugo Chavez, right?!

Posted by: paul | Aug 27, 2016 1:44:53 AM | 70

...
"Vladimir Putin is the grand-godfather of this global brand of extreme nationalism.", Hillary Clinton said, (while standing in front of a gigantic American Flag, without a trace of Irony detectable in her voice).
Posted by: Shillary | Aug 26, 2016 5:22:34 PM | 50

Yep. Dangerously stupid.
Superficial and self-absorbed Hollywoodishness; the polar opposite of self-aware.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 27, 2016 2:55:01 AM | 71

Clinton = Drama without empathy.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 27, 2016 3:06:01 AM | 72

The best though in that photo is the wolfsangel---last I checked, it was Hillary that had the ties to pravyy sektor...

Posted by: Johan Meyer | Aug 27, 2016 3:10:47 AM | 73

Paul@70 Even the "socialist" Sanders thought, Hugo Chávez is Just a Dead Communist Dictator.

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 27, 2016 3:13:03 AM | 74

Blonde hair. Blue eyes.

It's not "childish", b, it's straight-up racism.

Do we really need to go into the whole "dumb blonde" meme that has permeated media for decades?

Posted by: cahaba | Aug 27, 2016 4:29:09 AM | 75

@71, hoarse

The Godfather image is a popular one these days. The Godmother use it to deflect attention from her own role as cackling harridan, wailing banshee of DDD&D ... others note that “Godfather” Biden visits Turkey


The foreign policy of the American ruling class, in addition to the impoverishment of American society to fund the vast military apparatus, has had the most horrifying consequences for the peoples of the countries targeted. The war fomented by the United States in Syria has reduced the population of that country from 23 million to about 17 million, killed up to half a million people, and displaced over 13 million.

Thirteen years after the invasion of Iraq, which resulted in the deaths of at least a million people, some 4.4 million Iraqis are internally displaced, with over a quarter million forced to flee the country.

Questions of foreign policy are not decided, much less deliberated, within the framework of elections. Nowhere in the 2016 presidential race is there a serious debate, for instance, on the character of the US alliance with Turkey or the consequences of launching a de facto NATO invasion of Syria. Congress holds no hearings or votes. It neither seeks nor desires to play a serious role.

As for the people, they simply have no say.

The press plays a key role in the deception and disenfranchisement of the population. One tactic employed by the corporate-controlled media is simply to exclude “minor” developments such as a US-backed invasion of Syria from the so-called “news.” The most remarkable feature of the media coverage to date of the Turkish incursion is its virtual non-existence. It is a good bet, due to the media’s corrupt silence, that the percentage of the US population that is even aware of the invasion is in the single digits.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 27, 2016 5:37:15 AM | 76

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You forgot to add: "anyone who willfully votes for either Red Donald or Blue Hillary is a moral leper, ...one who will still have to cough up a $4.5 TRILLION King's Ransom on April 15th for Mil.Gov.Fed metastasizing Technocracy, regardless, and still have to pay $650 BILLION a year of that YUUGE ransom in interest-only debt (sic) tithes to The Chosen."

Posted by: TheRealDonald | Aug 27, 2016 6:12:11 AM | 77

Shillary @50 -- Hillary Clinton is completely devoid of any sense of irony or humour. She's a complete emotional and, I would add, intellectual dud. She seems to be a good lawyer, though --- in the US lawyers as far as the eye can see.

Posted by: Quentin | Aug 27, 2016 6:32:49 AM | 78

Typos:

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Posted by: Stephane | Aug 27, 2016 8:15:02 AM | 79

OT
GENEVA — The United States and Russia say they have resolved a number of issues standing in the way of restoring a nationwide truce to Syria and opening up aid deliveries, but were unable once again to forge a comprehensive agreement on stepping up cooperation to end the brutal war that has killed hundreds of thousands.

After meeting off-and-on for nearly 10 hours in Geneva on Friday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov could point to only incremental progress in filling in details of a broad understanding to boost joint efforts that was reached last month in Moscow.

Their failure to reach an overall deal highlighted the increasingly complex situation on the ground in Syria — including new Russian-backed Syrian government attacks on opposition forces, the intermingling of some of those opposition forces with an al-Qaida affiliate not covered by the truce and the surrender of a rebel-held suburb of Damascus — as well as deep divisions and mistrust dividing Washington and Moscow.

The complexities have also grown with the increasing internationalization of what has largely become a proxy war between regional and world powers, highlighted by a move by Turkish troops across the Syrian border against Islamic State fighters this week.

Kerry said he and Lavrov had agreed on the "vast majority" of technical discussions on steps to reinstate a cease-fire and improve humanitarian access. But critical sticking points remain unresolved and experts will remain in Geneva with an eye toward finalizing those in the coming days, he said.
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Lavrov echoed that, saying "we still need to finalize a few issues" and pointed to the need to separate fighters from the al-Nusra Front, which has ties to al-Qaida, from U.S.-backed fighters who hold parts of northwest Syria.

"We have continued our efforts to reduce the areas where we lack understanding and trust, which is an achievement," Lavrov said. "The mutual trust is growing with every meeting."

Yet, it was clear that neither side believes an overall agreement is imminent or even achievable after numerous previous disappointments shattered a brief period of relative calm earlier this year.

The inability to wrest an agreement between Russia and the U.S. — as the major sponsors of the opposing sides in the stalled Syria peace talks — all but spells another missed deadline for the U.N. Syria envoy to get the Syrian government and "moderate" opposition back to the table.
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In a nod to previous failed attempts to resurrect the cessation of hostilities, Kerry stressed the importance of keeping the details secret.
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And, underscoring deep differences over developments on the ground, Kerry noted that Russia disputes the U.S. "narrative" of recent attacks on heavily populated areas being conducted by Syrian forces, Russia itself and the Iranian-backed Hezbollah militia. Russia maintains the attacks it has been involved in have targeted legitimate terrorist targets, while the U.S. says they have hit moderate opposition forces.
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At the same time, the Obama administration is not of one mind regarding the Russians. The Pentagon has publicly complained about getting drawn into greater cooperation with Russia even though it has been forced recently to expand communication with Moscow. Last week, the U.S. had to call for Russian help when Syrian warplanes struck an area not far from where U.S. troops were operating.

U.S. officials say it is imperative that Russia use its influence with Syrian President Bashar Assad to halt all attacks on moderate opposition forces, open humanitarian aid corridors, and concentrate any offensive action on the Islamic State group and other extremists not covered by what has become a largely ignored truce.

For their part, U.S. officials say they are willing to press rebels groups they support harder on separating themselves from the Islamic State and al-Nusra, which despite a recent name change is still viewed as al-Qaida's affiliate in Syria.

Those goals are not new, but recent developments have made achieving them even more urgent and important, according to U.S. officials. Recent developments include military operations around the city of Aleppo, the entry of Turkey into the ground war, Turkish hostility toward U.S.-backed Kurdish rebel groups and the presence of American military advisers in widening conflict zones.

Meanwhile, in a blow to the opposition, rebel forces and civilians in the besieged Damascus suburb of Daraya were to be evacuated on Friday after agreeing to surrender the town late Thursday after four years of grueling bombardment and a crippling siege that left the sprawling area in ruins.

The surrender of Daraya, which became an early symbol of the nascent uprising against Assad, marks a success for his government, removing a persistent threat only a few miles from his seat of power.

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 27, 2016 8:23:27 AM | 80

Returning to protectionism and fair trade will lift all American boats,not just the Wall Street Zionists,so I am perplexed at b's comment.
America,despite glowing MSM BS,is on the ropes of neoliberalism.As an older American,I remember a land of plenty,with good jobs for all,instead of fast food retail hell.I don't think b has any idea of the realities being endured by US,as the media refuses to give US reality,instead rosy economic garbage where not once in Obombas terrible reign have they created enough jobs to keep up with the expanding population,and as DT says,the inner cities are hellholes,witness the NBA star Dwayne Wades cousin shot in Chicago pushing a baby stroller.
I had a nurse from Hempstead NY,when i had the big C,who said an old man in a wheelchair had a pit bull tied to it to ward off potential crooks.WTF?
And now the antisemitism card is played by the serial liars,Bannon is accused of calling Jews whiny.Well,as a longtime observer,he is spot on there.
And the lying times says 90% chance for Hell bitch victory.
Will saying it so often make it so?Nah.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 27, 2016 9:05:41 AM | 81

What is unbelievable is the fact that she corruptly stole the primary with the help of the DNC and the ziomedia,but no one cares.(her supporters)If not emblematic of the depravity of liberals,those who wish the death of others so they live in safety(which of course is poppycock)what is?
And when Trump gets her in the debates,he'll destroy the MSM narrative of BS.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 27, 2016 9:28:45 AM | 82

in 29 --

No facts? Pound the table.

Pace yourself, though, the election is a long way off, and you won't want to burst into a conniption before then.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 27, 2016 9:40:10 AM | 83

Part 1. ;) Got dragged into Killary’s alt-right speech at Truckee Meadows Community College, Reno, Nevada, Aug 2016. Only content: 100% against Trump, as sidebars, Alex Jones, Nigel Farage, Putin, David Duke.

The official MSM version is 31 mins - the frame is just her with a fixed cam centered nothing around. Sparse occasional clapping (real, one can see the clappers in other vids).. She speaks as one would to a parterre of 30-50 ppl, not as in a campaign rally. A longer version (MSM) is 45 mins and shows some of the preliminaries, some guy, then the Mayor of Reno, youngish blondine, introducing her. Killary was apparently hours late. (> youtube.) Killary is dressed in green.

To the interesting part. She spoke at the same College in Feb. 2015. Note: red dress, the brick pillars typical of the college, and the big windows behind. A big hall…

link

This shot shows the other direction, see the small windows at the side and back

link

The event has all the hallmarks of a ‘proper’ pol show, no need to list. Note the Hall, quite large, is not full. The signs are blue and are for Hillary, for Women, for Nevada and so on.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 27, 2016 10:50:52 AM | 84

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 27, 2016 8:23:27 AM | 80

Re: Geneva negotiations...
Love the goto clause:

"In a nod to previous failed attempts to resurrect the cessation of hostilities, Kerry stressed the importance of keeping the details secret."

Yeah, keeping the details secret so that next time the Yankees backstab Russia, observers won't immediately realise that they were, in fact, just shooting themselves in the foot. Again.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 27, 2016 11:06:17 AM | 85

Part 2. The Aug. 2016 event took place at the College but either in a small part of the back of the big hall or another locale (similar in architecture obviously)

link

The widest shot Aug. 2016. AFGE (men with black Ts) = American Federation of Gvmt. Employees.

link

Here is the ‘furthest back’ shot. TV coverage did not show these.

link

The only shot I could find showing the audience facing her. Note the ppl behind her facing out, i.e. the cams (shown on TV etc.) are not identifiable.

link

Bizzaro event. Minuscule, there is almost nobody there. It was deliberatly set up in ‘small space’ for the cams. The only other important ppl present are one man (Head of the college or? idk) and the Mayor of Reno. The only signs shown say *USA* are not appropriate and are whipped out only when Killary comes onstage. Doesn’t even look like a Democrat event! Never mind an important campaign rally for *drum rolls* the person anointed to become Prez. of the most powerful country on Earth, the World Queen or Hegemon.

After the speech, vids show H.C. talking to a very few ppl, 25 at most, not answering “reporters” questions, two tiny trays of confections were offered. Bwwahhh. She ate one choc. There was also a stop at a Reno Coffee shop (10 ppl?) which made no sense. On these occasions she is accompanied by the Mayor in a cosy girly coffee thingie. (> youtube.)

The US is fracturing...Moreover the speech was perhaps the weakest from any pol I have ever heard.


Posted by: Noirette | Aug 27, 2016 11:25:41 AM | 86

okie farmer @80

Strike three for Russia.

Strike 1: Talks with KSA - no result

Strike 2: Turkish incursion into Syria (with US blessing)

Strike 3: Geneva Talks with Kerry - no result

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 27, 2016 11:35:36 AM | 87

iPhone hacked by NSO Group based in Israel
http://www.businessinsider.com/pegasus-nso-group-iphone-2016-8

http://www.businessinsider.com/nso-group-2016-8

Wait a minute! They ID'd the hacker and it's a business in Israel? And it forced Apple to an emergency software upgrade. But I thought all the evil hackers were Russians working for the government.

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 27, 2016 12:09:08 PM | 88

A serious question: What would happen if Trump won the majority of the members of the Electoral College but they voted for Clinton?

Posted by: Gesine Hammerling | Aug 27, 2016 12:15:34 PM | 89

There is one villain Trump has not been compared to: Hillary Clinton.

And don't be the kettle calling the pot black, whoever the author of this ill-researched piece is. Your own journalism strikes me as irresponsible when you claim, "Trump's economic policies as U.S. president would be catastrophic for those most likely to vote for him." Catastrophic? Really? Who exactly is "most likely to vote for him" that would not benefit from better trade deals and more corporate incentives for domestic business? The global elite? They're the ones who definitely won't benefit, but they also definitely won't vote for him. Get your thinking straight.

For clear light on the positive relationship between a Trump presidency and the US economy, David Stockman offers wisdom. Take a look from time to time at his website to educate yourself:

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/


Posted by: Karl Pomeroy | Aug 27, 2016 12:29:37 PM | 90

Curis @88

I linked to the full report in the Open Thread

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 27, 2016 12:32:46 PM | 91

okie farmer@80 Lavrov is on a loser if he accepts this "moderate terrorist" BS from Kerry. Those "moderates" have replaced Islamic state in Jerablus, soon to be expanded to cover that huge area between Jerablus, Azaz and Al-bab,all without a fight and apparent agreement with IS. Next could be the area is controlled by Turkish and US "moderate" head choppers, which of course nobody will be allowed to attack. They should only be called moderate if they oppose Assad and do not carry arms, otherwise its just a case of changing labels, in which case the terrorists could never lose. I find it hard to believe that so soon after the so called normalization of ties and trade deals between Russia and Turkey, Turkey could do what they have threatened to do for years, invade Syria and set up prospective no fly zones. I suppose we must wait and see, but in my opinion, it does not look good.

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 27, 2016 1:10:56 PM | 92

@88, curtis, 'But I thought all the evil hackers were Russians working for the government'

Maybe they are ... Russian emigre hackers working for the Israeli government?

@92 hl,

I agree. Russia has been stabbed in the back by Turkey, and the US is backing Turkey ... of course they were backing the Kurds, too, until they weren't.

Erdogan is utterly unreliable ... or he is utterly reliable if you're relying on duplicity and betrayal.

Joaquin Flores observes Syria Violence to increase: Peace talks fail as situation deteriorates. It seems that the US is just all stall, all the time. Alternating with stabs in the back. No point in talking to them ... for 12 hours?!

Posted by: jfl | Aug 27, 2016 2:30:39 PM | 93

Here's a thought:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/25/trump-vs-hillary-a-summation-paul-craig-roberts/

Now it is time for people to start saying Roberts is a shill for Trump. If you've read what he has written about Trump, he's highly critical. His point is simple: Do you support those who are so blatantly against Trump? Or, put the other way around, are you in favor of continued oligarchic rule.

Like Roberts, I am so opposed to Clinton that Trump seems (even ever so slightly) the lessor of evils.

Unlike Roberts, I think Stein our best bet.

Posted by: rg the lg | Aug 27, 2016 2:31:01 PM | 94

@b
Here's a couple for you ...

1 "Donald Trump is worse than Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad"
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12182955/Donald-Trump-is-worse-than-Irans-Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad.html

2 "Donald Trump Is America’s Gift To Bin Laden"
www.huffpost.com/us/entry/10445156

Posted by: AtaBrit | Aug 27, 2016 2:52:27 PM | 95

Gesine Hammerling@89 - "...What would happen if Trump won the majority of the members of the Electoral College but they voted for Clinton?..."

The Electoral College vote is absolute - the candidate that gets 270 of the 538 votes wins, so Clinton would be elected. If neither candidate gets that many, then an immediate vote by the House of Representatives decides. The popular vote that takes place at the same time is utterly meaningless other than to chose one of two bribe-funneling political parties who, in turn, chose their typically party-loyal electors. There's a bit more to it than that, but that sums it up. And, yes, the state political parties could chose electors who would jump ship and vote for the other party. That will be the way they will ensure Clinton is elected in November regardless of who the little people think they're voting for. Anyone who is familiar with the process knows this will happen, including the Republican Party. Trump obviously knows the fix is in.

The paradox comes about because the political parties at the state level have slowly taken over the process of choosing who goes to the electoral college. The founders' original intent was to have (presumably) the best and the brightest citizens representing each state, making an informed decision that would produce the 'best' choice. There were no political parties to speak of when the Constitution was penned. In fact, the founders were rather suspicious of them in general but did not go so far as to prohibit them (to our eventual ruin). They never intended the rigged, two-party freak show popularity contest masquerading as an election that we have today.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 27, 2016 3:06:20 PM | 96

For a bit more nuance in the choice of state electors, their vote pledge and 'jumping ship' (if it's allowed by law in that state, see faithless electors.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 27, 2016 3:13:19 PM | 97

I check the CPI every now and then looking for the US to drop. The Corruption Perception Index depends on the perception which can be molded by the media. But as more people wake up, I expect the US ranking to drop. Our 2015 ranking is 16 (behind countries in north-east Europe and Canada and New Zealand).
http://www.transparency.org/cpi2015

Interesting that 72% say US Govt efforts against corruption are ineffective and 72% say the level of corruption increased from 2007 to 2010.
http://www.transparency.org/country/#USA_PublicOpinion

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 27, 2016 3:46:24 PM | 98

@92 harrylaw...i agree with you..

russia sees this bs crap about 'moderate' for what it is... just another shell game to play hide and seek, switch flags, etc, etc... until the 'moderate' opposition drop their military arms, it ain't 'moderate'... would 'moderate' opposition to the usa leadership be allowed to use weapons? that's the answer to that bs...

as for turkey, clearly the apk has a 'get rid of the kurds' agenda.. works well in their alliance with isis up to a point.. as for turkish/usa alliance and a no fly zone - if russia goes along with this, they better get a hell of a trade off out of it.. i can't see it, although i see the usa continuing on in their support of saudi arabia etc, using their mercenary isis army and saudi arabia to continue to funnel arms sales and weaponry... it is what they do best, bullshite artists that they are...

Posted by: james | Aug 27, 2016 4:27:25 PM | 99

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