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August 11, 2016

Media Builds Up Enemies For Hillary's Wars

Another example that so-called news in U.S. media is often more propaganda than valid information is this NYT piece on the "hack" of the Democratic National Committee:

WASHINGTON — A Russian cyberattack that targeted Democratic politicians was bigger than it first appeared and breached the private email accounts of more than 100 party officials and groups, officials with knowledge of the case said Wednesday.
...

A "Russian cyberattack"? How can the NYT claim such, in an opening paragraph, when even the Director of U.S. National Intelligence is unable to make such a judgement?

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, speaking about the hack of Democratic Party emails, said on Thursday the U.S. intelligence community was not ready to "make the call on attribution" as to who was responsible.

All the NYT lays out to backup its claim of a "Russian" hack is an anonymous Intelligence Committee staffer who claims U.S. intelligence agencies "have virtually no doubt" about it. If that were true why would the boss of these intelligence agencies publicly point out such doubts?

There is not even any evidence that the publishing of emails incriminating the DNC for manipulating the Democratic primaries were the result of any "hack". It might have well been an insider who copied the material and handed them to Wikileaks for publication. After the leak the DNC data analyst Seth Rich was mutilated and murdered near his home in Washington DC. The case was obviously no robbery. Julian Assange of Wikileaks pointed out that the circumstances of Rich's death are suspicious. I first attributed that claim to Assange's typical exaggerations, but the facts speak for themselves. The case indeed looks very much like a targeted killing. Who did it and and why?

The "Russia is guilty" claim for whatever happened, without any proof, is becoming a daily diet fed to the "western" public. A similar theme is the "barrel bombing" of (the always same) "hospitals" in Syria which is claimed whenever the Syrian government or its allies hit some al-Qaeda headquarter.

All this propaganda is in preparation of the rule of the "We came, we saw, he died. Hahaha ..." psychopathic queen of war Hillary Clinton.

As Marc Wheeler, aka emptywheel, reminds us:

6:13 AM - 10 Aug 2016 emptywheel @emptywheel

The actions to ensure we will escalate our wars are being taken as we speak. January will be too late to stop it.

Posted by b on August 11, 2016 at 11:42 AM | Permalink

Comments

thanks b.. i agree with marcy @emptywheel...

the msm at this point is a full on 24/7 propaganda outlet... if you want bullshite, lies and innuendo, look no further..

Posted by: james | Aug 11, 2016 11:49:44 AM | 1

What struck me in the article was a conflict between attributing the DNC hack and a possible Clinton hack that the authors didn't even attempt to address. They claim analysts are very confident that Russian hackers, working for the government, hacked the DNC. But as to the possibility that anyone hacked Clinton's private server; well, if they did, they would have been way to savvy to leave any traces that they'd done so. A DNC hack; those sloppy Russian government hackers did it. A personal server; a real pro job.

Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Aug 11, 2016 12:00:03 PM | 2

Hey,where are our phony reds,to tell US that Trump is the evil.
This woman is the most incompetent idiot to ever seek the POTUS,and the Zionists are trying to ensure that,despite the American peoples hatred for her.
And Trump ties both ziowhores(Obomba and the HB)to IsUS.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 11, 2016 12:22:13 PM | 3

How can NYT claim Rus cyber attack while DNI denies it? The target is the voting public.

Plus all of us are served threats & distraction (instead of bread & circuses) so we will continue to fiddle w the minuscule while it all burns down.

Posted by: Penelope | Aug 11, 2016 12:28:19 PM | 4

The US military is based on white racism. It has been used for white racist military aggresion in foreign lands since 1898. The Us military works for the white racist ruling class. Obama and Hillary have murdered thousands of foreigners in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Palestine, Yeman, Libya and The Ukraine. So that makes Obama and Hillary murderous white racists. What has TRump done? Talk, that's all...

Posted by: james k. sayre | Aug 11, 2016 12:32:22 PM | 5

Hillary - if elected - will inherit economy in recession or on the brink of it, and her main preoccupation will be dealing with mounting domestic unrest, as well as with the wars she'll inherit from Obama. However she may want to, she'll be in no position to start another war.
America is in severe and accelerating decline, and simply has no resources for more wars.

Posted by: telescope | Aug 11, 2016 12:39:23 PM | 6

5
Obama is a murderous white racist? LOL. I think that you maybe a far more virulent racist than most of the whites I know.

Posted by: telescope | Aug 11, 2016 1:13:16 PM | 7

The Dems and Repubs. always vie to wage the ‘best, most just, necessary, wars.’ Wars as in merciless bombing and decimation and installation of a puppet Gvmt, not against and adversary who presents a threat.

For B. Clinton, that was smashing Yugoslavia (plus various other, Africa etc.), while later the Repub. Bushies concentrated on Iraq (but see Billy C on that, plus Iran sanctions…) and Afghanistan. The two join together under Obama-Killary: Lybia and Syria. (Leaving much aside.)

Not of course that IRL the division is clear, it isn’t, but that is what is used to bamboozle the public. One war is baaaad, horrible, another is ee-ssential for security, and so all grinds on, with one switch after another, year by year, nothing changes, with millions of deaths, maimed, displaced, landscapes, agriculture, towns, whole countries, destroyed.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 11, 2016 1:17:21 PM | 8

@5 The US Dept of State is an equal-opportunity criminal syndicate.

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 11, 2016 1:20:42 PM | 9

@5

Operationally, White is a class, not a race.

Posted by: Jonathan | Aug 11, 2016 1:25:51 PM | 10

maybe at some juncture down the line, when the greatest common divisor encompassed in the vast, stinking heaps of lies and bullshit is unlocked by algorithmic procedure, by Heliograf for example, and the newzfeed is all aseptic tripe all the time, the body odorless of artificial intelligence, the message will be clear.

Posted by: john | Aug 11, 2016 1:36:11 PM | 11

This is all part of the process of the demonization of an adversary, the process which often leads to war. Everything gets blamed on the "enemy" and soon the public believes anything with no evidence needed. The "big lie" of Goebbels.
For any student of history, seeing this type of article over and over is an ominous augury.
I hear more and more casual conversations where people repeat memes about Russian aggression or expansionism, or about Putin being corrupt and a "thug".
This is dangerous and feeds on itself.

Posted by: Casowary Gentry | Aug 11, 2016 2:04:33 PM | 12

WRT Seth Rich

check this site :
https://heatst.com/politics/mysterious-deaths-of-dncs-seth-rich-and-other-east-coast-politicos-fuel-conspiracy-theories/

Mysterious Deaths of DNC’s Seth Rich and Other East Coast Politicos Fuel Conspiracy Theories

Posted by: Yul | Aug 11, 2016 2:18:39 PM | 13

6 America is in severe and accelerating decline, and simply has no resources for more wars.

America prints fiat currency at will and posts numbers on computer terminals. The value of this currency is indicated by its position as the petro-dollar. This arrangement is enforced by American hegemony and illegitimate partnerships with other despotic governments which support and maintain it's dominance as the world's most important currency.

There is always money for war, just no money for commons.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Aug 11, 2016 2:30:23 PM | 14

@6, @13

Money can lead to power, but power can also lead to money. With care, wars can earn money required to wage them.

Some sources of income:

Gulfies, they paid for the Gulf War I, and now they bribe the West with overpriced purchases and make war or pay for war in Yemen and Syria.

Confiscations, fines etc. Surprisingly many billions were collected in that way!

Arms sales to other allies. Renting nukes to the Brits.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 11, 2016 2:50:28 PM | 15

James K Sayre, sir:
Prior to 1898 the racist US military killed native Americans as part of an ethnic cleansing that the modern Israeli's simply copy. Racism is as old as the Constitution, or maybe the day the first settlers from Europe set foot in the so-called New World.

Everyone else:
As many times as you've been lied to, why do you continue to bother with the major news outlets? You know they are lying when their lips are moving ... in the same manner that you know the Trumpists or the Killary-bots are lying.

Lying is the GREAT AMERICAN WAY: car salesmen, insurance salesmen, real estate brokers and their minions ... . Congress has lied every time a treaty was signed.

Lying are US. It ought to be on our money where "In God* We Trust" is printed!

---
God ...
“Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Posted by: Rg the Lg | Aug 11, 2016 3:01:08 PM | 16

this guy's youTubes show how few people are actually showing up for HRC rallies and how the polls are rigged

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q-KyPxJrMk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bseARa3H04g

Posted by: crone | Aug 11, 2016 3:02:01 PM | 17

The media reporting on keeps making the statement from the police 'that nothing was missing from his body or belongings'. The guy was walking around at 4 AM, and apparently no one but his killers actually saw him. So, I guess he couldn't be carrying anything outside of his pockets? In has hands?

Posted by: Tom in AZ | Aug 11, 2016 3:15:01 PM | 18

I really need to purge the term "unbelievable" from my vocabulary. It is a useless, meaningless word.

Posted by: Harry | Aug 11, 2016 3:36:09 PM | 19

The new defender of Al-Qa'ida in Syria:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNkmQzc9vxI

CNN Clarissa Ward.
Guess with Tayyip changing his Emperor clothes, Holly Williams can't do the same for CBS

Posted by: Yul | Aug 11, 2016 4:09:31 PM | 20

Amazing how even the most obvious facts are denied by the largest margin of people - in spite of the truth being available to the contrary.

People believed Goebbels and are now believing the propaganda from the cesspool of the totalitarian establishment, because they WANT TO.

Anybody that has ever had, or still has a shred of critical thinking left, will KNOW. The totalitarian, corporate establishment, that has been inbreeding since thousands of years, is going for the kill. The kill of 'democracy', the kill of freedom of speech, the killing of the 'pursuit of happiness' and a new cold war among the different ethnicities on planet earth.

Therefore the so called 'racists' are actually 'Ethnicists' - denying ethnicities differing from the white man the right to live. The right to exterminate non-white sub-humans at will.

Regarding the to Nazi-standards evolving propaganda of the Western establishment, it would be helpful if people would stop 'googling' misinformation from the CIA 'search' engine aka data collection agency. There are other search engines available that will not skew the results.

This is the result in regards to the tactics of the Western establishments' propaganda:

It's called 'Psychological Projection' and has worked for millennia. To find out more about it, one can look at the Wikipedia entry, or search anew for other sources:

Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.

Posted by: Stillnottheonly1 | Aug 11, 2016 4:33:03 PM | 21

The rush to action appears to indicate that they feel they have a limited window to act while domestic conditions are favorable and the expected cost can be tolerated, such as the 2025 window indicated in the recent Rand Corp report.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1140.html

There was an older report on Russia which predicted they could again rival the United States by 2030.

Posted by: Les | Aug 11, 2016 4:36:48 PM | 22

The stupidity of the evil Trump never ceases to amaze. New emails showing ( the worse evil ) Hillarys lies and corruption would be perfect PR to highlight for one of Trump's principle core messages of Washintons and especially Hitlarys corruption. But no instead of sitting back and letting the new corruption unfold for himself to take advantage, the moronic narcissistic Trump has to make it about him self again by saying his idiocies and outrages which diverts from his core message that got him so much success.

Trump(et) needs to rely on getting fake liberals to be discouraged, apathetic or a vote for third party, but Trump the King moron himself is driving these people into Hillarys camp.

Posted by: tom | Aug 11, 2016 4:54:27 PM | 23

@22

Do You exclude from all possibilities that all this could be by design? Could it be that people are once again played out against each other - instead of lining up behind a desirable candidate (and yes, even if that person is not in the race, yet) by the millions?

Is the fate of this country and the world so insignificant that the concocted dualistic division between 'left' and 'right' can be overcome?

There once was a song by Sting, stating that the Russians love their children, too.

Absent some serious mental incapacity, anybody on the left, or on the right political spectrum loves their children as much as the opposing faction.
Especially those of us who have grandchildren should throw all preconceived conditions and programs overboard and focus what the best for their offspring will be - in reality, not some concocted and propagandized outcome.

'The People' are still subject to 'divide and conquer'. Break that age old instrument. Brothers and Sisters need to UNITE NOW - beyond all imaginary divisions. Because we are indeed ONE.

Posted by: Stillnottheonly1 | Aug 11, 2016 5:32:48 PM | 24

The transition from Obama to Hillary mirrors the transition from Kennedy to Johnson. The war monger industries, think tanks, and DOD want a bigger war. They don't have to kill Obama, they are waiting for the Killary and are using every dirty trick to get her elected. Much bigger wars are coming after January.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Aug 11, 2016 5:39:23 PM | 25

@23
Correction: It reads:

...Is the fate of this country and the world so insignificant that the concocted dualistic division between 'left' and 'right' CAN'T be overcome?...

Posted by: Stillnottheonly1 | Aug 11, 2016 5:50:03 PM | 26

Rg the Lg @15:

... ethnic cleansing that the modern Israeli's simply copy ...
Here we go with the US-Israel equivalence meme that is being pushed by the usual suspects.

As though nothing was learned in the last 80-120 years or so. If that were so, then Israel might find itself in an even more precarious position.

Actually, some might well say that Israel is turning back the clock to pre-modern times, and joining with other reactionary forces to do so.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 11, 2016 5:55:19 PM | 27

News Media bias. Excellent Lou Dobbs discussion with Newt Gingrich.

Worthy of your time to Watch short Video

Newt Gingrich: The elite media is dedicated to defeating Trump..


Trump should pattern his campaign on the model of Truman…media had written him off.


“The elite media understands that if they allow Donald Trump to communicate directly to the American people, he’s just plain going to beat them. And he’s going to win, and Hillary is going to lose And the elite media in newsroom after newsroom is dedicated to defeating Trump and I think every chance they get to try to get him off message, they will,” he said. “I hope that Donald Trump will take, as his model, Harry Truman’s campaign in 1948 where the entire elite media had written Truman off and he came back, he pounded away, and he won the presidency despite every expectation of the national establishment. I think Trump has the same opportunity this year.”

[more on Vid..Hillary's comment she short-circuited will return to hurt. What else did she short-circuit? listen]

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5078954144001/newt-gingrich-elite-media-is-dedicated-to-defeating-trump

Posted by: likklemore | Aug 11, 2016 6:00:28 PM | 28

We're sort of behind schedule on that DoD memo that Wesley Clark saw after 9/11 that said the US would "take out" seven countries in five years. Iraq, Syria, and Libya are basket cases. Somalia and Sudan aren't much better. That leaves Lebanon and Iran. People know that those aren't true threats to us so following the Brzezinski/PNAC doctrine of not allowing any country to rise in any region leads us to real powers Russia and China. I wonder if Vegas has any odds on which country we'll be at war with next. And will we do it directly or via some sad-sack like Ukraine?

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 11, 2016 6:10:31 PM | 29

"It might have well been an insider who copied the material and handed them to Wikileaks for publication"

Why this idea gets no traction, obviously -- without an admission of authenticity from DNC, they have it both ways, the ability to ascribe guilt to Russia, and plausible deniability vis a vis Sanders. Let's not rule out a purposeful leak as a gloating advertisement for DNC sponsors/donors, or just as likely as a forgery using wikileaks as conduit for disinformation by anti-DNC ops. The Guccifer blip is just as believable valid as any of these theories, upo.

Rile the masses up against the Commie Threat, as it worked so well in the 50's - 60's. Save us the expense of rewriting the playbook. Sure. Duck and cover.

But the first place I would look is inside the DNC, if I were in charge. Russian intel releasing to wikileaks? Not much profit in that.

By the way, whatever became of dearest FBI frontman Comey?

Posted by: stumpy | Aug 11, 2016 6:13:33 PM | 30

jackrabbit @26: "Actually, some might well say that Israel is turning back the clock to pre-modern times, and joining with other reactionary forces to do so."

Too bad the technology doesn't revert back to muskets and cavalry, and no television!

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 11, 2016 6:19:49 PM | 31

"There is always money for war, just no money for commons."

A political choice. We can always (or should be able to) buy everything we can produce. Odd that we can't.

Posted by: paulmeli | Aug 11, 2016 6:27:08 PM | 32

pm 31

The monetary system is fraudulent (every nation is in heavy debt!). But you are correct. The US can use its monopoly money to do anything or nothing. Political zeitgeist calls for austerity for the commons and largess for the one percent, the warmongers, the MIC and mega-corporations.

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 11, 2016 7:11:09 PM | 33

@ Casowary Gentry |

Excellent points. The propaganda process to convince the American people to accept war with Russia (Syria and Iran) has been going on for several years now (the military budgets are just beginning their upward ramp due to Russia). The process is nearly identical to what Bush and the neocons did with Saddam and the invasion of Iraq. And propaganda through the mass media is effective--upwards to 70% of the American people supported Bush's invasion.

January is already too late as this process has been going on for several years. The hysteria is now building to a crescendo and is pretty much impossible to stop with reasoned arguments.

Speaking of influencing elections. The Ukrano-nazis look to be building up troop levels on the Crimean border to show off horrible Russian/Putin aggression. Looks like the Ukrano-nazis are willing to kill off a bunch of their own soldiers for propaganda effect.

Posted by: Erelis | Aug 11, 2016 7:42:55 PM | 34

Hillary's brain will not survive the pressure of a presidency when half the country thinks she is liar and untrustworthy. Her health is already suspicious and she may collapse after her election as there would be huge demands on her.
The next president of the USA won't be Hillary Clinton for long, it will be Tim Kayne.

Posted by: virgile | Aug 11, 2016 7:48:32 PM | 35

@22 tom
No doubt there could well be a lot more in what The Don doesn't say. But this election will be about low voter turn out. Record lows. Everyone is nauseous.

Trump has his cult following. Hilary disgraced the Bernistas - none of them will vote for Hilary. Hilary has no one except the neocon rats who have jumped ship.

Will she be able to excite Obamas #HopeAndChange army...? I don't see them getting out of bed sorry - and it's why you see #NeverTrump. It doesn't matter what Trump does, dem voter turn out will be at historic lows.

America is in severe and accelerating decline, but simply have to restart it's quantitative easing program to enable more wars.

Posted by: telescope | Aug 11, 2016 12:39:23 PM | 6

Corrections in bold.

If Hilary wins, buy stock in Lockheed Martin.

Hope this helps.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Aug 11, 2016 7:51:15 PM | 36

Hillary Clinton’s Embrace of Kissinger Is Inexcusable
Bernie Sanders should call on her to repudiate him as the war criminal he is.

https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clintons-embrace-of-kissinger-is-inexcusable/

Posted by: virgile | Aug 11, 2016 8:32:14 PM | 37

6:13 AM - 10 Aug 2016 emptywheel @emptywheel
The actions to ensure we will escalate our wars are being taken as we speak. January will be too late to stop it.

Forgetting, of course, that the Neocons in Oz (Malcolm Turnbull's pro-Israel Liberal Party) have been told by the Boss of Oz (the US Ambassador) to ramp up tensions with China. And they've done so by rejecting a tender by China to purchase a $10 Billion chunk of NSW electrical power grid on the poorly explained grounds of "National Security." This knee-jerk dumbfuckery is being perpetrated despite the fact that China already owns a significant chunk of Australia's National Infrastructure.

So I'm not too worried about NYT/Neocon wet dreams because this is about gutless, incompetent, bullshit-believing AmeriKKKa, with its looted and plundered joke of a pseudo-Military which hasn't won a war with an entity which can shoot back since WWII.

Neocon's seem to have adopted the Mythbusters Philosophy...
"If a thing (seem)s worth doing, it's worth Overdoing."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 11, 2016 9:24:44 PM | 38

@37 January will be too late to what?

Trump wants John Bolton as Secretary of State????
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/08/11/trump-of-course-i-didnt-mean-to-incite-violence-against-hillary-n2203833
video: about 03:00 - about 05:00

Then there will be no difference:
- continuation of horror and terror in MENO;
- military tensions with Russia and China.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/06/the-only-mistake-of-the-iraq-war-was-that-we-didnt-get-rid-of-sa/

Posted by: From The Hague | Aug 11, 2016 10:15:06 PM | 39

sorry, MENA...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MENA
The term MENA is an English-language acronym referring to the Middle East and North Africa region.

Posted by: From The Hague | Aug 11, 2016 10:17:57 PM | 40

Posted by: From The Hague | Aug 11, 2016 10:15:06 PM | 38 & 39

Trump humour, imo, runs a close second to Russian Humour (you know the punchline will be worth waiting for, but almost impossible to predict).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 11, 2016 10:43:09 PM | 41

The Guardian stated yesterday that Putin is ramping up for the 'invasion' (sic) of Crimea, but went out of their way to leave the impression it was a Russian invasion, and not invasion by NATO, behind a current World Bank-funded $10Bs looted from US taxpayers to rebuild Eastern Ukraine roads and bridges to military load capacity, ... just another wholly illegal and pro-war act by the ZIMF-WB to an unconstitutional dual-Israel junta coup leadership in Kiev, and made in violation to a non-NATO state, with no expectation the 'loans' would ever be paid back, ...just as $35B IMF loaned, then Kerry backstopped with US taxpayer savings, will never be repaid. Ever.

The 'War of Crimea' is necessary for many political purposes, but primarily to cover up that July 2015 looting of $50B from the US Treasury by Kerry and the RINO Congress for war grift to Ukraine that will never be repaid, stolen from SS and disability funds.

And behind that War of Crimea will come a US Militarized Police State of One Thousand Years, to cover The Chosen's wholly illegal, usurious, odious, onerous synthetic CDS 'scheme' to transfer all of WS's Exceptionalist *gambling debts* onto the backs of our grandchildren, when WS should be tarred and feathered, then beaten with birch switches.

Instead, we get US Congress bleeting for Bibi and clapping at attention until the blood runs from their fingernails down their arms, afraid to be the first to stop clapping. New America is Kim Jung Un on steroids in 2017.

Tick tock! What's the plan to protect the US Constitution? Where's the patriot sitrep?

Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Aug 11, 2016 10:43:22 PM | 42

This stuff pervades the corporate media across the board : A Rush to Judgment on Russian Doping. If war is the continuation of politics by other means, 'news' is the continuation of war by other means.

As for the discussion on running out of money for wars ... well al-CIAduh/IS is much cheaper than the US uniformed armed forces, or the same people through the revolving door fighting as mercenaries. The KSA/GCC have been footing the bill ... because the same forces they're directing outwards will devastate them if and when they turn around and go for them directly.

As times get harder for al-CIAduh/IS ... up against the Russians, Syrians, Iranians, Hezbulla ... it's got to occur to them that there's a much easier, much larger paycheck available in turning around and robbing the bank that's been feeding them rations.

When the oil-archies go up in smoke the free for all will begin in earnest ... 'protecting world security'. Then US/Israeli troops will land in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar put out the fires, grab the checkbooks, reseat their clients under the new dispensation. That'll be their plan anyway. As Obama said, Hillary's will be his third term ... they hope. Pick the low-hanging fruit on the way to Moscow and Beijing.

I liked the guy with the videos of no people at the Hillary rally. I liked Newt comparing Trump to Truman ... they do seem so alike, on more than the Dewey Defeats Truman level. Harry was as utterly unprepared as Donald is to be POTUS, and was whipsawed by the same old domestic gangsters oblivious to the consequences of their free-flowing gravy-train at home.

@39 fth

Good to see you've seen the light.

We don't have to make a binary choice. We can uproot the seemingly divinely dictated dichotomy. It will take ten or twelve years to do it ... thank goodness for the "founding fathers'" oversight, allowing a two-year election cycle ... but that's not so long. If we'd begun in 2004 we'd be home by now.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 11, 2016 10:54:52 PM | 43

40

MENA = Meshuggana Exceptionalist New America, ...in a 240-year old nation-state that had never used pejorative terms like 'shock and awe', 'homeland', 'exceptional', and 'good job, Brownie'.

The only question is whether this is all just goal-seeking circle-jerk 'disruption', or instead it's push-driven latter days roundup by The Chosen to make America a credit-debt slave state? If you watch CNBC or Bloomberg, it's pretty obvious there is a push-driven meme, but at the same time, these 'disruptors' will all agree it's really more of a clusterfracked black-swanning.

That light at the end of the tunnel is the 4:05. QEn may be history's slang for 'deliberate capital destruction'. And it ain't comin' back again ... ever.

Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Aug 11, 2016 10:55:44 PM | 44

@41 Cho Nyawinh

Congratulations on marrying into the DeBeers syndicate. Now you can fund the revolution?

Posted by: jfl | Aug 11, 2016 10:59:28 PM | 45

This is supposedly from Seth rich's girlfriend

https://m.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4vqvug/dnc_staffer_seth_rich_was_set_to_expose_dnc_voter/

"From Claudia Kash: I know why Seth Rich had to die. There were 2 sets of polling places this primary season -- one set for most of the voters, who went on state >websites to find their polling locations -- a second set for Hillary Clinton supporters who looked on Hillary >Clinton's website to find their polling location. The Secretary of State for each state had one set of locations on >the record; the other set of locations, the ones listed on Hillary's website, were not on the state record. I know this because I looked on her website to find where a friend should vote -- then double-checked the state >website, which showed a different address. I thought there must be a mistake -- I kept checking, right up to >election day. But until they killed Seth Rich, I couldn't figure out why there would be two different polling >places. This is how I think the scam worked: While most voters look up their location on their state website, voters who >were signed up as Hillary Clinton supporters would be directed to her site to find their polling place. It was set >up the same as any other DNC polling place -- with DNC volunteers, regular voting machines, etc. -- and a >duplicate voter roster, the same as the roster at the other polling place. Voters would be checked off on the >roster, same as at the other polling place... and after the polls closed, the DNC supervisor would pick up the >roster and the ballots.

The supervisor would then pick up the roster at the legitimate polling place and the ballots there. He(or she) >would then replace a number of Bernie Sanders ballots with an equal number of the ballots from the Hillary >Clinton voting location. Then the duplicate roster from the HRC would be shredded and thrown away, along >with all the Bernie Sanders ballots that had been replaced. That way the number of people who voted (on the >remaining roster) still matches the number of ballots. This is why so many states reported a "lower than expected voter turnout". Seth Rich, who was responsible for the app that helped voters find their polling places, did not realize that >there were two sets of polling places until he himself went to vote. He lived in Washington DC, which voted at >the end of the primary season, a week after Clinton had already been declared the winner. I believe he discovered it then, and had started asking questions about why the polling places on Hillary's >website didn't match the ones on the DC website.

But even if he didn't say a word to anybody, it would have been dangerous to let him live. He would have >figured it out sooner or later -- and he would have reported it when he did."

Posted by: Miok | Aug 11, 2016 11:58:26 PM | 47

While a good post, I wonder why b. would say "I first attributed that claim to Assange's typical exaggerations..." I've not found him to exaggerate, typically, but I have found the MSM to want us to believe that he does... Also, it is Marcy Wheeler (a woman), not Marc (this mistake has been made here before).
A friend in Silicon Valley - with a seven-member family all voting for B Sanders - reported that there seemed to be little doubt primaries were stolen. His polling station was managed by guys with IT background (S. Valley, after all) - who witnessed manipulations, including the purging of all provisional ballots.

Posted by: GoraDiva | Aug 12, 2016 1:04:02 AM | 48

William Casey-CIA Director
"We will know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 12, 2016 3:15:40 AM | 50

The bottom line on this is ... ya gotta wanna believe. The New York Times is selling a world-view. You can't sell anyone anything they don't want to buy. The American public, having detected that their leaders have no idea how to bring them safely out of the wood of the "new economics", of the air economy, is begging to be told a story that - if we all close our eyes and believe real hard - will bring magic, fairy princess economy back to life. Life was OK ... nostalgia makes it better ... back when we used to hate the Russians. Let's hate 'em again. It's kind of a cargo cult mentality. A measure of just how disjoint we all are. There's no there there where our memories of America were, we need a magic spell to bring tinker belle back to life, so we can fly back to never-never land again, live happily ever after. Things are very, very bad for the USA.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 12, 2016 3:34:25 AM | 51

49

Your buddy and mine, ZH Khalizhad, 10 Years After:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a325070.pdf

Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Aug 12, 2016 3:37:55 AM | 52

Another hypocrite-liberal-warmonger-idiot michael moore supports hillary,
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160812/1044183819/michael-moore-ivanka.html

Posted by: Rabels | Aug 12, 2016 4:27:54 AM | 53

I was an anti-Vietnam war protester. For the most part we were very loosely organized, or even not at all organized. We were hippies, doing the whole mid-60s to mid-70s thing. Our city decided to actually have the fire department stage a pro-war protest -- Strange times indeed!

Many times, back then, I would confront my comrades with the assertion that the mass produced media outlets (MPMO), such as the New York Times were nothing more than propaganda machines. "Hip" as they might have been, they just could not handle this concept. They were totally appalled that I could dare to claim this. I was sort of like their first "conspiracy theorist". The comments above reveal how times have changed. Even if they are still in psychological thrall to the propaganda machinery, the seed of dark doubt has now been sewn in their bewildered hearts.

I also investigated the world of the eleetoids very deeply -- and I had several unique opportunities to do so. They are certainly not at all like us. They are generally quite vain and oddly shallow. Money, power, and organized violence are one and the same to them. Wall Street, Washington D.C., and the pentagon constellation are all on the same page. Crucially, none of these eleetoids is anywhere near what could be deemed sane. Their minds are profoundly warped just because they are what they are.

And they are easily capable of setting off Armageddon. War and the proliferation of misery is not their goal in the end, much worse, it is simply a consequence, a symptom if you will, of their insanity.

Posted by: blues | Aug 12, 2016 5:19:22 AM | 54

well, maybe at some juncture down the line, when the greatest common divisor encompassed in the vast, stinking heaps of lies and bullshit is unlocked by algorithmic procedure, by Heliograf for example, and the newz is all aseptic tripe all the time, the body odorless of artificial intelligence, the message will be clear.


Posted by: john | Aug 12, 2016 6:04:49 AM | 55

@blues | Aug 12, 2016 5:19:22 AM | 54 "I was an anti-Vietnam war protester.

God bless you for that.

I'm still shocked how many people in Israel, Ukraine, ME, the Commonwealth, USA, Poland, are eager to go to war because of twisted ideologies, money, stupidity, or some inner demons, sinful desires.

May be we need another war after all, just to get rid of them, since they pose a mortal danger to their host societies and cannot be restored to humanity in peaceful ways?

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 12, 2016 7:40:22 AM | 56

Assuming, of course, it will only be them who get to die.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 12, 2016 8:36:03 AM | 57

39;How does John Bolton fit with Trumps call for better Russian relations?I'd say he's thinking of him like he thought of Newt,which is not much.
He does have to placate the warmongers a little bit,or else they'll call him soft on terror.
Stop getting hysterical over unknown unknowns.:)
He said he was being sarcastic about Obomba and IsUS,but again,like a jury,the American people are given info that can't be taken back.Of course its true,and I guarantee it will come up again,as we are still almost 3 months to the election.
And the propaganda,as someone mentioned,is unbelievable,and yes the word should be stricken from the rolls.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 12, 2016 9:46:45 AM | 58

54

WADC and NYC attract psychopathy, so naturally our two choices for November are Alpha Psychopaths. That doesn't mean that the necrotic American ship of state will alter its course, only settle lower in the water, come to a gradual stop, tip downward at the bow, and then break in half. The psychopaths are The Vampire and will fly away, caww, caww, caww, leaving all the hoi polloi, the Little People, to drink and to drown.

Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Aug 12, 2016 9:50:50 AM | 59

15

WADC

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol2/globalelite177_04.jpg

Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Aug 12, 2016 10:13:17 AM | 60

In some ways the rules of engagement for Syria are reminiscent of the restrictions placed on U.S. special operators in El Salvador in the 1980s. The U.S. forces in that tiny country helped train the embattled government's counter-insurgency forces. But they were not allowed to go into battle with the forces they trained.

Roger Carstens, a former lieutenant colonel for the Green Berets who trained local forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, told me there are good battlefield reasons for allowing the adviser to fight with the forces he trains. "They gain legitimacy and credibility and they show your partner forces that you share the risk," he said.

Carstens also said that fighting alongside indigenous troops is a kind of vetting process. "The instructor gets to see whether the forces he is training have absorbed their training," which he said is important to evaluate how effective they are.

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-08-11/orders-for-u-s-forces-in-syria-don-t-get-shot

Posted by: Les | Aug 12, 2016 11:52:23 AM | 61

ff @32…"every nation is in heavy debt!"

This is debatable and a lot of nuance is absent from the statement. All debt is not the same, and in fact for a sovereign that has only liabilities in it's own currency the only debt that matters is that owed by the citizens to private banks. Will wait for an open thread to revisit.

Posted by: paulmeli | Aug 12, 2016 12:15:29 PM | 62

Seems a straight Machiavellian operation. Murder the young insider, Seth Rich, that leaked the emails to Assange's Wikileaks and then blame it on an enemy that none can fact check on. DNC= Deep National Control.

Posted by: BRF | Aug 12, 2016 3:01:15 PM | 63

@41 Hoarsewhisperer
@43 jfl
@58 dahoit

The Americans are the problem.
They're not interested in foreign policy.
So if Trump can give them jobs and safety abroad, he may bomb the rest of the world.
We can't exclude he appoints a person like John Bolton.

Posted by: From The Hague | Aug 12, 2016 4:54:59 PM | 64

@ From the Hague wrote "The Americans are the problem".............

The people who have brainwashed the Americans are the problem just like in Hitler's time. Those global plutocratic families have been controlling the narrative for centuries and they seem to have convinced you it is the US citizens who are to blame for falling for the propaganda this time.

We will never overcome the Western sick form of social organization if we continue to blame the wrong folks. We need to end private finance and return all those grifted earnings to the global commons along with neutering inheritance globally so no one individually/family can control social policy.

And then the media would not be the brainwashing mechanism it is now building credence for more wars.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 12, 2016 5:47:35 PM | 65

Am going to throw this out here.. I give Hillary about a 55% chance of winning, which is quite a heavy margin of victory if you think about it.

I am worried about the things that will ensue if she wins. I think dissenting voices will be targeted in a manner approaching Erdogan's crackdown in Turkey.

I would not be surprised if Assange gets attacked in some manner. Perhaps it will be a group of rent-a-rioters surrounding the Ecuador embassy and storming inside to remove him.
Perhaps the IRS will do even more intrusive targeting of dissenting citizens than before. Maybe news website commenters might suddenly find themselves on a do-not-fly list. Well I could go on, but you get the picture.

Posted by: bbbb | Aug 12, 2016 6:31:00 PM | 66

@65- yes, f**k off bbb. You are a patronizing swine.

Posted by: hejiminy cricket | Aug 12, 2016 7:00:31 PM | 67

Posted by: hejiminy cricket | Aug 12, 2016 7:00:31 PM | 66

It's an opinion. It doesn't have to be 100% correct. If it's not deliberately impolite it's as valid as any other comment. And variety is the spice of comment threads.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 12, 2016 9:47:05 PM | 68

haha gosh I was just posting my opinion. Yes it's an obvious observation, but I figured it was important to mention for the sake of mentioning.

Posted by: bbbb | Aug 12, 2016 11:14:02 PM | 69

@65 psycho, 'The people who have brainwashed the Americans are the problem just like in Hitler's time.'

Whether it is the psychopaths or the global plutocratic families your argument boils down to the devil made me do it. The 'it' being to retreat into atomicity, to stick our heads in the sand, to not make waves, to just follow orders.

Don't look at it as guilt to be avoided but as responsibility to be accepted. Because the psychopaths and global plutocratic families are going to be with us forever, it's a question of keeping them under control, or of not allowing them to remain in control.

The system is optimized to get exactly the results it does get, as some management guru whose name has escaped me used to say. We must change the system if we want different results ... because we're the 'only ones here', as a friend's mother used constantly to remind him at chore time.

We must forswear the sweet secret guilt of homemade sin, as Mose Allison used to sing, and substitute sweet public joy of exercising homemade responsibility for the world we don't want and mean to change. The problem is not the people, its the lack of organization around common purpose. Once responsibility is taken and shared many hands will make light work, and we'll marvel to look back over the years and years that we suffered through the system optimized for such a dysfunctional minority-pleasing end. We don't have to become the S, we just have to stop being the M in BDSM, and then abandon the whole fake dichotomy of S&M.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 13, 2016 9:27:04 AM | 70

@ jfl

I protested in the 60's
I supported OCCUPY
I am as ready as the next person, if not more, to encourage structural change.

I am trying to provide the common purpose that you write of and think I have done a good job of it. Show me the arguments that show the basic tenets of the Western form of social organization are Private finance, private property and accumulation of it through unfettered inheritance. I believe these basic tenets are the sickness in our society and our incentives would be a lot better if they were gone.

I also believe that focusing on election fraud, saving the whales. curing cancer, the zika virus, etc. are all great sidetracks appreciated by TPTB as wastes of time that do little or nothing to challenge the current social order seriously. I don't think we have the time left as a species to travel down the road we are on without embracing extinction which may be the best outcome for humans, relative to the cosmos.

So, jfl, I continually try to convince people of my understanding of how the world works and how to change it. I haven't come up with enough adherents to my thinking to form a movement yet but am more than willing to work with others wanting to make the same structural changes I am proposing. I have not retreated into atomicity as you stated.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 13, 2016 10:33:09 AM | 71

What struck me in the article was a conflict between attributing the DNC hack and a possible Clinton hack that the authors didn't even attempt to address. They claim analysts are very confident that Russian hackers, working for the government, hacked the DNC. But as to the possibility that anyone hacked Clinton's private server; well, if they did, they would have been way to savvy to leave any traces that they'd done so. A DNC hack; those sloppy Russian government hackers did it. A personal server; a real pro job.

Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Aug 11, 2016 12:00:03 PM | 2

I actually find it possible, namely that the firewall in DNC was sloppy, and paranoid Hillary had best computer security consultants she could find. Moreover, hers was a small operation and easier to keep secure, unlike DNC with many employees and many interactive activities. I speculate here, but this is plausible.

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More importantly, was there a public opprobrium, "How did they dare!" about the putative Russian hack? This is actually an interesting angle. Sometimes public suspects that the government is doing illegal stuff in other countries, it is thinly denied (or "our policy is no to comment"), and most of the citizens are glad that our leaders are so resourceful. But the side effect is that this type of activity becomes "normal", and detecting or convincingly suspecting it exits yawning response.

For example, there were two assassination or "near assassination" attempts on Israeli diplomatic personal and Iran was suspected. "Sure, didn't they have a string of assassination of nuclear assassinations in Tehran? By the way, what is the weather this weekend?" If I recall, Tehran assassinations stopped.

Similarly, after American cyber-successes, cyber attacks became a new normal.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 13, 2016 2:33:04 PM | 72

Trump(et) needs to rely on getting fake liberals to be discouraged, apathetic or a vote for third party, but Trump the King moron himself is driving these people into Hillarys camp.

Posted by: tom | Aug 11, 2016 4:54:27 PM | 23

Indeed, this is the best of times for the liberals (I would argue that "fake liberal" is an oxymoron or redundant). First, Sanders had no decency to do what progressive/left primary candidates do, get 5-10% of the vote and call it the day. (I would need to refresh memory how well Kucinich fared in the primaries.) Is it because Sanders is a genius while previous attempts were deficient? Or is it because Clinton is the least electable candidate liberals could find? However, it was quite lucky that Sanders was credible contender for very long time, because Republicans could actually get some slick candidate. But against Trump, Clinton is doing OK, if not impressively.

But progressives have more of a headache. One wrote a comment in NYT that I will paraphrase: "I did not like how Sanders was treated by DNC and I was very disappointed with the final results. I do not like Clinton. But I swear, come election day I will vote for Clinton, even if this will take several tokes." (I guess this means marijuana, the most effective anti-emetic. Clinton should seriously consider advocating decriminalization of marijuana on federal level.)

But imagine that Clinton would run against Rubio. Rubio would get some glowing press, "First robot-American elected as a candidate of a major party". Then, being a robot, with well polished exterior, he would stay on the script. And there would be a deluge of money from fat cats to prop him in general election, and a committee to decide what he actually will be saying. I guess some programming glitches would be removed, so Rubio would not repeat himself in the same meeting.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 13, 2016 3:16:52 PM | 73

@73 pb, 'But imagine that Clinton would run against Rubio. ... being a robot, with well polished exterior, he would stay on the script.'

And he would be indistinguishable from Clinton, as far as the king/queen makers were concerned. That's the problem with the Trump(et). Loose cannon rolling around the deck ... you seem to focus too much on the game and not on the result.

Meanwhile ...

The provocation in Crimea and the threat of world war


In seeking to draw Russia into an armed conflict over Crimea, US imperialism is carrying out a policy that is breathtaking in its recklessness. But then, this has been the nature of US foreign policy over the past quarter-century of unending and ever-expanding wars throughout the Middle East.

The confrontation being provoked over Crimea is not separate from these wars. It is bound up with US frustrations over the debacle of its regime-change operation in Syria, where Russian backing for the government of President Bashar al-Assad has succeeded in driving back the Al Qaeda-linked militias that served as Washington’s proxy forces on the ground. This crisis of American policy has been compounded by the failure of last month’s US-backed coup against Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the subsequent deepening of rapprochement between Ankara and Moscow.

The profoundly dangerous developments in Crimea make clear the significance of the anti-Putin hysteria that has been whipped up in both the US election campaign, with Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton’s neo-McCarthyite attacks branding the Republicans’ fascistic candidate Donald Trump as a virtual Russian agent, and the hypocritical crusade to ban Russian athletes from the Rio Olympics. Both of these campaigns are designed to prepare public opinion for a military confrontation with Russia.

The US is gearing up to go to war with a nuclear-armed country, yet the issue is debated neither in the election campaign nor in Congress or the corporate media. No information is offered as to what the casualties would be in a war between Ukraine and Russia, much less the catastrophic implications of such a war drawing the US and NATO into a nuclear exchange with Moscow.

While the American ruling establishment has traditionally sought to hold off the initiation of new wars until after elections, to prevent the question of militarism from becoming an issue of national debate, given recent developments, it is far from clear that the war being prepared will wait until after November.

Biden urges Ukraine president to avoid escalating tensions with Russia: White House


U.S. Vice President Joe Biden spoke by phone on Friday with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and urged him "to do his part" to avoid escalating tensions with Russia, the White House said.

Biden says, "Wait till after November".

Posted by: jfl | Aug 13, 2016 5:44:09 PM | 74

On the topic of loose canons rolling around the deck.

Nadia Savchenko, a young women and an ardent Ukrainian nationalist, joined a volunteer battalion to fight rebels in the East. There she was caught by the rebels, accused of killing two Russian journalists, "deported" to Russia, got a long prison sentence, make hunger strike in protest, became a celebrity case, then she was exchanged "three for three", Ukrainians sentenced in Russia for Russians sentenced in Ukraine. Upon arrival on the soil of Fatherland she became very active. She joined a political party with modest representation in the Rada (about 10%) and announced that if needed and asked, she will run for President. For now she is a member of the Rada (Parliament). Her activity is duly noted in press, at least in Ukraine, Russia and Poland.

Just by seeing some titled I figured that she is just another nationalist extremist. But then she started to "defy common sense" and oppose the government positions in various ways. The first example was a proposal to abolish the law that gives criminal penalties for denigrating the heroes in the fight for Ukrainian independence (on the account that they were Nazi collaborators). The argument was that it prevents improvements in relationships with Poland (where nobody seems to refer to "Banderowcy" (the heroes) as Nazi, the word functions as the most offensive word in Polish lexicon in reference to Ukrainians). Perhaps true, but with no account for national dignity! Then she started to postulate complete exchange of prisoners between Ukraine and the rebels, contrary to the position of Poroshenko. And most recently, she observed that it is necessary to offer autonomy to the rebels. I must stress that the young lady is also thoroughly eccentric, has a penchant for walking barefoot, and some of her proposals were genuinely idiotic. So now politicians closer to Poroshenko call her "a grenade tossed by Putin" and urge to keep explaining in social media that she is an idiot etc.

Concerning the recent "terrorist action" in Crimea, it is much less serious than the headlines suggest. First, Russian got the wind of the action ahead of time, due to their impeccable intelligence (they read newspapers, and follow social media, public threats of that nature were bantered for months). Second, they put quite a bit of troops on the border (which is very short). And Ukrainians simply tried to drive across (my knowledge of Russian is imperfect, but this is how I understood it). The denials of the government seem in part corroborated. The soldier who admitted the plans to set explosions in many places is a FORMER soldier of one of the volunteer battalions, which probably means that he belongs to "underground" of former volunteers who have quite a bit of weapons, vehicles and explosives, and are tolerated by the government in variable degree. One of their groups tried to take over the province on Hungarian border (that was frowned upon). But they do not seem to have canons, hence, they are loose canons only figuratively.

Since two Russian soldiers lost their lives, Putin has to go through some motions of "deep outrage", and Poroshenko has to make pleas to the "international community" that Putin ia a bully, and "the West" has to report all of that in the usual style, but in few weeks only nuts will still remember it.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 14, 2016 3:14:14 AM | 75

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