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August 21, 2016

Death Of Brother Of "Wounded Boy In Orange Seat" Appears To Be An Add-On Fake

Related to the "Wounded Boy In Orange Seat" stunt here is a little item that only increases my distrust of the truthfulness of the whole tale.

On Friday August 19 Middle East Correspondent Raf Sanchez and Said Ghazali of the British Telegraph reported of an interview with the father of the allegedly wounded boy in the orange seat:

Abu Ali, the father of the child whose haunted face now peers out from newspaper pages across the world, described his family’s final night of normalcy in an interview with a Syrian activist on behalf of The Telegraph.
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Contrary to the reports of the Aleppo doctors who treated Omran, the little boy is only three years old and not five. Omran has been released from the hospital along with his four siblings and all the children are quietly recovering, his father said.

Confirming the above the Syria Campaign, a part of the mostly U.S. financed anti-Syrian propaganda apparatus, had published this on August 18:

Thank god all Omran’s family are safe. His mother had some bad injuries in her legs. His father suffered a minor head injury. His 7 year old sister went through a surgical operation this afternoon and she is doing well.

Note that there is no mentioning of an injured boy.

On Saturday The Telegraph's Middle East correspondent Raf Sanchez reported a quite different story than the one he himself had told just a day earlier:

It emerged Saturday that Omran Daqneesh’s older brother Ali had succumbed to injuries suffered in the same airstrike that propelled his sibling onto television screens across the planet.

Ali, 10, was out on the street when a Russian or Syrian regime bomb fell on his family’s building in Aleppo’s Qaterji neighbourhood on Wednesday.

While the rest of his family suffered minor injuries as their flat collapsed around them, Ali appears to have been more fully exposed to the bomb blast and died in hospital.
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Omran’s father, who asked to be identified only by the nickname Abu Ali, meaning “father of Ali”, received mourners at the family’s temporary home on Saturday. Omran, three, and his three surviving siblings stayed inside the house as Abu Ali accepted condolences on the street.

The BBC noted:

The elder brother of Omran Daqneesh, the Syrian boy whose dazed and bloodied image shocked the world, has died of wounds sustained when the family home in Aleppo was bombed, activists say.

The Syria Solidarity Campaign said 10-year-old Ali "passed away today due to his injuries from the bombing of his house by Russia/Assad".

The second Telegraph piece is accompanied by the picture of a boy with what looks like a minor bloody (but completely uncleaned and not disinfected(!)) scratch on the upper left cheek. The eyes are closed and two tubes hang loosely from his mouth. A cardiogram sensor is fixed on the chest below his shoulder. The caption to that pic says "Ali (left) was killed in the blast ...". Is he really dead?

One day we learn from the father and others, that:

  • all children, including Ali, are fine
  • all are recovering
  • all had left the hospital

The next day we learn that:

  • Ali was severely injured
  • Ali died of these injuries
  • in a hospital (which ignores basic trauma care) that he apparently never left.

The Telegraph's stenographer, who wrote both stories, ignores these large contradictions between the two tales.

I for one believe that both stories are false and that the whole bombing and rescue incident never really happened but was staged. The "rescue" was a stunt and all stories around it, like the "dead Ali", are mere fairy-tales of various "activists" paid by this or that "western" propaganda campaign.

There was a time when newspapers like The Telegraph and other media employed journalists who followed up on stories and verified the claims made to them. For many media outlets that is obviously no longer the case. Today any "activist" can skype the stenographer from anywhere, tell a fantasy story of a bombing in east-Aleppo and have it printed. A day later he can call again with a totally different version of that fantasy story and have that printed too. No questions asked.

Is it any wonder that readers and viewers shun such media?

Posted by b on August 21, 2016 at 12:59 PM | Permalink

Comments

Truthful analysis. Thank you. You are, along with the Penny for your thoughts 2 blog, the only bloggers questioning the story.

Posted by: Charles Fasola | Aug 21, 2016 1:18:29 PM | 1

Should ask the Syrian Observatory on Human Rights ;-)

Posted by: Rootsman | Aug 21, 2016 1:56:08 PM | 2

It would be interesting to retrieve The Guardian's online picture of the same orange seat ambulance lad from their 7 AM (UT +2) news presentation where that lad, tow-headed sans blood in the hair appeared in close up with left eye swollen nearly shut but open just enough to make out the lower part of the iris - both eyes coordinated in direction of gaze and curiously without the normal appearance of an eye receiving trauma not a bit of redness visible in the eyelid(s).

This episode appears designed to provide the viewer quick but insubstantial views, devoid of information of place, time or context with which to analyse but sufficient to instantly trigger an overwhelming emotional response and conclusions. Marketing at its finest, instant convictions from the targeted customer to buy the narrative being sold.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 21, 2016 2:01:41 PM | 3

The MSM has certainly done an about-face.
Once upon a time (not so long ago), a News Update added as much clarity as possible to a Breaking Story. Now, in 21st Century Enigma World, a News Update adds as much confusion as possible.
Thanks for nothing MSM. May your heads serve a more useful purpose when impaled on Pikes than they did when churning out embarrassingly dishonest drivel.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 21, 2016 2:05:46 PM | 4

All propaganda churned out by the MSM David Nott a surgeon had his say in the Guardian, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/20/omran-picture-turning-point-syria-war-aleppo-david-nott for an educated man he can still come out with nonsense like this."The British government has a new prime minister who is as steely as Sir John Major, who created a no-fly zone when the Kurds were being attacked by Saddam Hussein with chemical weapons. Theresa May must show some leadership. The first thing that must happen is to demand a no-fly zone for Syrian helicopters to stop them dropping their barrel bombs. The international community must get behind her and force this action". Yes David Nott please check the source of that Photo non other than Mahmoud Raslan Photographed with the head choppers of the Palestinian child on his own facebook page (photo since taken down but we have a screenshot of it): http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ll1zlx&s=9#.V7nusjVf21s and screaming like a captagon fueled madman here: https://twitter.com/walid970721/status/766689455168184320.

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 21, 2016 2:18:19 PM | 5

Link to comment above^ The last link decided to include my punctuation so it doesn't work when clicked:

https://twitter.com/walid970721/status/766689455168184320

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 21, 2016 2:27:59 PM | 6

harrylaw @5

Note the photographer has the same headband as the headchoppers. The headbands or more commonly arm bands are used to identify tactical groups as being on the same side. It seems that not only does he support the head choppers but he also goes into battle with them.

Posted by: Yonatan | Aug 21, 2016 2:30:31 PM | 7

Yes, the Western mainstream media is full of fabrications. Journalists never follow up on stories or verify the claims they make. But it is even worse than that: the truth is out there for anyone to read, if they just know the right place to look.

Urs1798:
Terroristenmedien und ihre Propagandisten in westlichen Sendeanstalten verbreitet #Aleppo #Tagesschau

(Naturally any respectable media would stay away from this Putin's propaganda.)

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 21, 2016 2:31:01 PM | 8

haqrrylaw @5 Re Dr Nott.

What does the man do? Dr Nott is associated with MSF and the Royal Air Force. He wife is connected with ThinkTankLand. They have a charitable (natch) foundation. One link 'Donate to save lives in Syria' leads to a page with the text

"Help David save lives"

"It will help us train surgeons in the life-saving skills they need to help the women, men and children wounded by conflict.

By training local doctors, we are improving the health of communities for the long-term. We are building expertise and capacity in areas which areas which much of the world has forgotten and giving people the best medical care."

The implication is that the Syrians have a poor, incapable medical system is desperate need of support from civilised western doctors. There may be unintentional partial truth to this, given the pernicious effects of western sanctions. The idea overall is also totally patronising to the Syrian medics in east and west Aleppo who are still being paid by the Syrian government despite the US/ISIS attempts to destroy hospital facilities.

The Foundation itself appears to be based at the address of a private health practise on London.

Posted by: Yonatan | Aug 21, 2016 2:50:33 PM | 9

b:

A cardiogram sensor is fixed on the chest below his shoulder.
I believe it is actually on his shoulder(!).

I guess it was placed there to get it into a shot that focused on the boy's face.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 21, 2016 3:05:40 PM | 10

Note the dirty cloth tape and the dirt on the face under and around the tape. The most incompetent medical technician in any country would clean the area before adhering the tape. But this is for dramatic photographic effect.

10 JR - As you point out, the heart monitor on the shoulder/collarbone joint is also ridiculous and obviously placed there for dramatic effect.

The untreated dirty wound on the cheek makes no sense. If there's time to take a picture, there's time to clean and bandage the boy's wounds.

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 21, 2016 3:28:39 PM | 11

Syria is among the seven countries to be taken out in five years according to Wesley Clark and the PNAC and Yinon Plan for Greater ISrael.

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 21, 2016 3:31:25 PM | 12

thanks b, for continuing to shine a light on the lies and propaganda.. this stuff can't stand the light of day..

Posted by: james | Aug 21, 2016 4:31:50 PM | 14

I'm thinking that the newest media campaign and the new aggression by the US Air Force in eastern Syria are connected, as the media campaign accelerated just before the new military declaration.

Reading the chatter in the blogs, it appears to me that "No Fly Zone" sounds more legitimate than illegal military aggression. Also, it ties in well with "Humanitarian Conquest".

Posted by: Michael | Aug 21, 2016 5:26:38 PM | 15

@15 michael.. i think you are absolutely correct on that connection.. that is a given with these same forces demanding regime change, no matter how much of a country or it's people they destroy.. they will try to pass it off as 'humanitarian' actions on the part of 'democratic 1st world countries' when in fact it is just the opposite..

Posted by: james | Aug 21, 2016 6:29:23 PM | 16

The problem with so many Western MSM outlets these days is that they exist primarily to push advertisers' products and make money (and large profits) for their owners. In an age where people rely on the Internet for their news, and so much news comes for free now, that newspapers and other traditional news media outlets are struggling to survive and compete with ever-changing news technologies.

All too often the result is constant severe cost-cutting and cutting corners, and all too often the first costs that are cut are the costs of hiring good journalists, editors, archivists and others who do research, verifications and cross-verifications, uphold standards of ethical journalism and maintain a culture of journalism that respects its history and the efforts of past journalists in calling truth to power and who often paid with their health or lives to bring stories to the public. Experienced journalists are being replaced by MSM news outlets with inexperienced and poorly qualified university graduates or computer programs that write or stenograph stories.

The news media industry was always a highly corporate world and its sympathies always lay with corporate interests because of the nature of its ownership. As long as the owners of MSM corporations were secure in their domination of the news, their employees were given some (but not much) leeway to find and report news and stories. But the new paradox is that now as a result of the Internet and other new media technologies (which they helped to push), their control of the news is a thing of the past, so they now respond in the only way they know how - by trying to control it even more.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 21, 2016 6:45:02 PM | 17

James Corbett and Sibel Edmonds discussion on 'Turkey's NATO exit and the new Turkey-Russian alliance. A turning point in the global power structure. And if Turkey did leave NATO how this could start a domino effect. Very interesting. here..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cvyrYyLpbk

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 21, 2016 6:48:10 PM | 18

"... It emerged Saturday that Omran Daqneesh’s older brother Ali had succumbed to injuries suffered in the same airstrike that propelled his sibling onto television screens across the planet ..."

Crikey, was the Telegraph writer hired straight out of a creative writing class specialising in purple prose?

"... While the rest of his family suffered minor injuries as their flat collapsed around them, Ali appears to have been more fully exposed to the bomb blast and died in hospital ..."

I should think that if a 10-year-old boy were fully exposed to a bomb blast, he'd be looking far, far worse than the child in the photograph does. Also, has anyone noticed in the photograph that the pillow has a floral pattern? This must partly explain why the photograph is so closely cropped around the boy's face. If the photographer had stood back any further or the photo had not been so closely cut, the full scene would be revealed for what it is: a set-up.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 21, 2016 7:01:26 PM | 19

How to respond to this? This is what the Western media is going to gobble up.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-syria-first-responders-20160820-story.html

Posted by: 1union | Aug 21, 2016 7:53:28 PM | 21

The young man in the picture is actually intubated and probably in a coma. And could easily be going to die.

Posted by: Burt | Aug 21, 2016 8:34:39 PM | 22

The propaganda offensive, combined with US aid to the Kurdish YPG, are signs that b's earlier prediction that Turkey is moving out of the western camp is correct. The US response will be to do everything possible to destabilize Turkey. Typical imperial attitude: If we can't have it, no one can. I wish Erdoghan had come to his senses 3 years ago. Life would have been easier for everyone.

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 21, 2016 8:44:22 PM | 23

Jen @17 and 19 nails it very well.

For my part, the random application of Gentian Violet stains on the kid's skin seems fisher than a mackerel left to rot on an ISIS controlled rooftop for two weeks.

Posted by: Cortes | Aug 21, 2016 10:03:16 PM | 24

Fishier even!

Posted by: Cortes | Aug 21, 2016 10:04:35 PM | 25

From The Guardian on Thursday, 18th August

Omran was rescued with his three siblings, aged one, six, and 11, and his mother and father, according to Raslan. None sustained major injuries, but their apartment building collapsed shortly after the family was rescued.
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So no mention of a 10-year old "brother" who was missing after the "bombing".
From the Independent on Thursday, 18th August:
Mahmoud Raslan, who photographed Omran, said volunteers formed a human chain in attempts to find survivors.
“We were passing them from one balcony to the other,” he told the Associated Press, saying he carried three lifeless bodies before being handed the little boy.
Mr Raslan rushed him to the ambulance, which transported him to a hospital codenamed 'M10' to be treated for a head injury.

The youtube clip quite clearly shows that Raslan (he of the distinctive blue and white shirt) at no time carried Omran to the ambulance.

Posted by: blowback | Aug 21, 2016 10:09:50 PM | 26

re: harrylaw | Aug 21, 2016 2:18:19 PM | 5

Carefully read the Guardian article by David Nott that Harry links to.

Nott claims he got a call from a colleague in Aleppo on what would have been Aug18 saying he treated Omran for a “deep scalp wound" and the boy was “going to be discharged” – future tense.

Deducing Nott’s timeline:

Aug 10 – 1st call [10 days prior to reference date]
Aug11 – 2nd call [1 day after 1st call]
Aug17 – photo taken, according to TIME
Aug18 – 3rd call [1 week after 2nd call] – boy treated for “deep scalp wound” was going to be discharged
Aug20 – reference date – date of Nott’s article, UK time

The obvious contradiction is that while the child has blood smeared on the L side of his face, it hardly looks like a “deep scalp wound.” Were it a deep scalp wound the boy would not be sitting up. His hair and clothes would be soaked in blood, and without being stitched or bandaged, the wound would continue to pump blood all over that nice, clean ambulance. Scalp wounds are the bloodiest of all, even superficial wounds.

According to Nott’s timeline, the day after the photo was taken, the boy had not yet been released from hospital. If the boy arrived at a suburban US hospital with a deep scalp wound, it’s likely he would be stitched up, cleaned up, and kept overnight for observation. But the way Nott describes the incredible stress on this particular hospital in Aleppo, it is not reasonable that they would have the resources to keep anyone just for observation. They would send him home with instructions to his family to observe him carefully to be sure he wasn’t vomiting, sleeping too much, or passing out. So far as I know, no one has come up with a photo of the boy bandaged.

This Nott is a rabid anti-Assad mouthpiece who wants a no-fly zone in Syria similar to the one that resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Iraq. Maybe he’s seen enough in Aleppo first hand to justify a strong opinion, but this article smells bad. Everybody wants a part of this PR action. Looks to me like he’s just finding an angle to further exploit this kid.

Posted by: Denis | Aug 21, 2016 10:31:07 PM | 27

Who cares about truth?
We know that the media lies. Just because we were taught differently doesn't mean anything. Get over it. The historian/librarian in my mind also knows that 'to the victor goes the truth.' We live in a world of deception ... our history is full of full blown lies and (less than) half truths ... our schools preach exceptionalism ... our political parties dance to the tune of oligarchs.

And still, you guys act like this bit of fakery is new or unusual. It isn't ... it is still more of the same drivel.

Ultimately the 10% (the US) still wants to consume as much as possible of the world's wealth and resources ... and to hell with the future. It is time to put, via a nuclear Armageddon, an end to this obscene virus: YOU, ME and every human on the planet. Maybe, as in more than likely, the planet will eventually recover ... life will go on ... let's just hope that you and I and all of our greed is not still present!

Posted by: rg the lg | Aug 21, 2016 11:05:00 PM | 28

@22, the subjunctive voice is your friend.

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 21, 2016 11:06:04 PM | 29

1union @ 21
From that article:

Rescue workers are targeted with such regularity by government forces that they have come up with a name for the tactic: "double tap" attacks.

Double tap originally referred to firing two bullets in quick succession into a person to render them incapable of further action. More recently it has come to be used by the Americans for the tactic of following up a missile, bomb or shell attack with a second attack to hit people responding to the first attack so it's a tactic used by the American military and the rescue workers did not come up with the name since the Americans got there first.

Posted by: blowback | Aug 21, 2016 11:20:58 PM | 30

b

Yes, and Building 7 collapsed by magic, and there never was a 'Palestine'. Ri-i-i-ight.
The facts remain that Building 7 collapsed for no rational reason, Palestine very much existed until the Khazars invaded in 1948, and 10,000s of children have died in Syria.

Get over yourself! Half of humanity cooks their meager meals on dried dung, at the point of starvation if fossil fuel and commodities speculation pushes costs higher again. These are nothing more than oil cartel wars, and our job is to end them and help the innocents.

The entire Western world has been bankrupted by the Khazar swine, and the picture of this kid in the hospital is gonna be your kid what the hunger games start in earnest in 2017.
The slogan on the newly devalued Trump-Clinton Amero will be, 'E pluribus no hay comida'.

Posted by: TheRealDonald | Aug 21, 2016 11:34:33 PM | 31

100 percent fake.

Posted by: telescope | Aug 22, 2016 1:26:55 AM | 32

A slightly different shot of the kid on the orange chair, notice the head and compare with the original gotcha photo.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/356659-syrian-boys-image-exploited/

The photo seen in The Guardian (referred @ 3) was a closeup similar without any head-wound blood in the hair. The Guardian editor selected the wrong photo for their essay but was corrected in short order.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 22, 2016 1:55:31 AM | 33

@ 33 Addendum

The Guardian photo reappears (in middle of essay):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/20/syria-boy-brother-aleppo-ali-daqneesh-omran-dies

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 22, 2016 2:16:08 AM | 34

Great piece, b! You suspect an "add-on fake," but if so, ... (the rest is from ACLOS page, linked under my name):
...it was set up to be added in advance. Ali is built into the story, out in the street, ready to explain his having no house-collapse dust on him - the eldest status, outside status, and reflection in the father's name (Abu = father of) - everything but being dead was there. It seems like that was decided on later, in some bad planning. But they could also argue that Abu Ali just couldn't say it at first, and reported that everyone lived, or mumbeld something that was read that way.

But it stands out. As Sanchez marveled, "... one son emerged from the rubble almost unscathed and instantly became a global symbol. The other son died quietly in hospital completely unknown to the world." Well isn't that a handy plot device? Why was he unknown? Beause our source went ahead and told us about him and implicitly said he was fine. Then the story apparently changed.

"Omran became the 'global symbol of Aleppo's suffering' but to most people he is just that - a symbol," wrote Kenan Rahmani, a Syrian activist. "Ali is the reality: that no story in Syria has a happy ending."

Yeah, see? That's what I mean. It's like these airstrikes are capable of creating these handy morality plays, even down to coincidental delays in reporting sons, to allow for deeper emotional involvement, etc

Posted by: Caustic Logic | Aug 22, 2016 5:22:54 AM | 35

The whole story is falling apart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifS0fi9WB8

I can't believe the head choppers are linked to this "viral sensation". Someone needs to leak out whatever organisation is puppeteering all these media organizations.

Posted by: xfiles | Aug 22, 2016 5:35:46 AM | 36

excellent short clip by Australian journalist on "The White Helmets" in Syria, which includes the White House spokesman stating how US donated $23-million to their cause.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8_cPE30z-I

UK apparently donated in excess of Sterling 18-million.


Posted by: mandala | Aug 22, 2016 5:51:17 AM | 37

Today I read at AW that the new US commander is threatening Syrian warplanes,and Russian,by extension,to stop flying where our terrorist teachers are hiding among Syrias enemies.
So Syria can't fly their own planes over their country because some clowns from 7000 miles away don't like it.
Todays lying times has a new Hell bitch ad;She's with us!and we're with her!
Yes,she and the zionists are trying to fix the American election for Israel's benefit.The naked perfidious evil of it all will not pass unnoticed by US.
Wapo?or the LTs,says Trump hid his German heritage to get along with Jewish clients by saying he was Swedish.
The only people who changed their names(or mostly)on arriving in America,were Jews,to hide their own ethnicity.
The chutzpah of it all.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 22, 2016 8:49:48 AM | 38

I haven't commented because I do not trust the narrative that's it's fake; the band wagon seems to be operative with the majority playing along.
All of us (as far as I know) are nowhere near the front lines in Syria or any other front and yet are willing to follow one chosen as authoritative; is the one chosen on the front lines?
I think not. Just doing analysis from media and photos.
I will never trust that to anybody; but defer to those in the fray. And that is far from definitive.
All I see here is a player of flute playing to an adoring crowd dancing to the tune played.
Do carry on as is your want; I choose a different tune; one of doubt and question...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 22, 2016 8:56:38 AM | 39

Not only the narrative seems fake, but it is surely sloppy. The question is: why?

One possible reason is that there is no need for a fastidious narrative. After all, the photos, videos and commentaries got very wide distribution in "Western media" (establishment media in NATO and allied countries), and counter-narrative, jihadists atrocities, very little, just enough to give a show of "balanced view". And the success of the distribution does not rely on logical consistency.

One could also note that inconsistencies have some, but rather incremental impact on the effectiveness of the "narrative distribution". Still, it has a negative impact, so it is mark of some shoddiness. But how to avoid it? Definitely, there is a big attention given to the graphic side of the propaganda. Suppose that there would also be an outfit advising the propaganda efforts on logical consistency. Then it would have to be eliminated! The whole foreign policy of "NATO establishment" would be undermined.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 22, 2016 9:12:00 AM | 40

31
why do you you folks keep bringing up old news.
the nist report and the 911 commissions covered everything that any sane engineer could of wanted.
jet fuel melting steel leading to pancake collapse due to load stress.
just because this type of collapse was rare does not make it a false narrative.
as for the carl cameron fox news 911 clips it is well known that cameron was an inti semite always looking to get one over on his jewish employer rupurt murdoch.
the b thing and gelatine arts projects where a benign gift from israel to america,art brings folks together into a shared collective it is a force for unity not division.
ariel sharon personally gifted these projects to america and the world a gift that is now being hijaked by angry haters of are freedoms.
how anyone can take the beauty of this art and distort it into hate speach is a terrible sin.

Posted by: slim cohen | Aug 22, 2016 9:14:39 AM | 41

Piotr Berman | Aug 22, 2016 9:12:00 AM | 39

If your post @ 39 is a response to mine @ 38; then you do not understand my post; I thought I was quite clear in what I said.
b's threads are what I do not trust for the reasons I stated. That's it...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 22, 2016 9:21:17 AM | 42

I must add that while the benefits of logical consistency are only incremental in the short term, they have a "corrosive effect" because over time they undermine the trust in the leadership. From example, a seriously engaged member of liberal establishment, like Mrs. Clinton, has to commit herself to a bunch of lies, which chews her electoral viability. With oscillating polls, I guess many establishment Democrats wonder if it wasn't a mistake to ditch Sanders who, according to the polls, would wipe the floor with Trump. It has an incremental but visible effect on the politicians and policies, especially on liberals who are not fanatics. Therefore the current polls are sort-of optimal: Clinton ahead, but third parties enjoy support that was no seen in decades. This is something that must worry the establishment.

For that reason, I do not believe that Clinton would send troops to ME. (45 American troops were not really a military unit but most probably, an escort for some major shipment, arms, cash or both.) But she could escalate, or relentlessly continue current "war by proxy" and "divide and mess up" diplomacy. But she can be pressed to scale down. And in 10-15 years we could get an actually sane foreign policy, something that is still "extremist", "fringe", "outside the mainstream".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 22, 2016 9:34:05 AM | 43

I would like to call attention to two recent articles that shed light upon the propaganda situation with Syria.

https://www.sott.net/article/325707-The-boy-in-the-ambulance-US-State-Dept-funded-groups-behind-latest-iconic-image-designed-to-demonize-Russia-and-encourage-further-bloodshed-in-Syria#

And this article which outlines the false flag protests which started this atrocity. This quote is especially relevant;

"From the very beginning, Al Jazeera and all the rest of the media were paying $100.00 to any amateur video shot in Syria. A whole new cottage industry sprang up in Syria, with directors and actors all hungry for the spotlight and fame. Authenticity was not questioned; the media just wanted content which supported their propaganda campaign in Syria. "


http://ahtribune.com/world/north-africa-south-west-asia/syria-crisis/1135-day-before-deraa.html

Posted by: CB | Aug 22, 2016 9:53:22 AM | 44

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 22, 2016 8:56:38 AM | 38

As a cynic, I approve of your skepticism!

But you should explain your concerns. A question that one might ask is: There is plenty of injuries in this conflict, so why fake it?

b has already answered this: its a set up for Western audiences. A child in shock is a sympathetic figure. People turn away from an injured child in agony. Also, we've seen the selling of war / manufacturing of consent before in Syria: the gas attacks of East Gouta (with much focus on child casualties), the White Helmets ("rescuer with child runs towards camera"), "last doctor in Alleppo", etc.

Then there is the question of the credibility of the "photojournalist" Ruslan, the credibility of the narrative (Russia says that they didn't bomb the area), and the credibility of the visual evidence. All of which are in doubt.

And the story of the brother's death seems concocted to push back on criticism from those that see the sympathy for a child with minor injuries as hypocritical in a conflict where 400,000 people have died.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 22, 2016 10:21:16 AM | 45

If your post @ 39 is a response to mine @ 38;
Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 22, 2016 9:21:17 AM | 41

You wrote that the photos could be "authentic". But the narrative attached to the photos was inconsistent, hence it could not be true. At the very least, it is highly implausible, a boy being released from the hospital only to die of woulds two days later (after being re-admitted?). As we do not have the proofs of any texts and images from the war zone, consistency of sources is most important in making a judgement.

There is overwhelming evidence that the "official narrative" is crap. The problem is that it is usually a complicated issue, so it is important to collect clear cases like flatly contradictory statements. And it is important that the textual contradiction is attached to the image pasted on front pages on hundreds of newspapers/websites.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 22, 2016 10:30:45 AM | 46

@ Harry Law #5

Perhaps The Guardian and that "knowledgeable" Dr should read the second part of the 3-part series:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/16/present-at-the-creation/

Yep, Brown Moses, John Roth-HRW,Amnesty International, MSF, the non-investigative western MSM like Le Monde (oh yes they had a sample tested and François Le Brave was ready to bomb Assad alone) and the politicos on the take were so sure of themselves back in August 2013.

Posted by: Yul | Aug 22, 2016 11:12:19 AM | 47

@44 "the credibility of the visual evidence."

It's a rush, therefore credibility is nil :D That amateurish on location pics are never a substitute for quality studio productions is clearly evident ( and from my window at least, highly amusing ) they really should employ a quality matte artist. ;)

Posted by: alkomv | Aug 22, 2016 11:36:11 AM | 48

Who watches, who reads the mainstream 'news' anymore? Old people. Starved for money, stuffed with marketing or propaganda disguised as news, mainstream 'news' is such threadbare crap anymore. And since it's focused on what old people want to read/watch, it's boring as hell too.

Also, for the demonization to have resonance the chumps have to have been regularly softened up with Orientalist takes on what a weirdo/thug the demonized symbol is, and this aided by 'real' weirdo/thug photos/video. Qaddafi, Saddam, and the guy in North Korea: relatively easy to demonize. The professorial Assad, often pictured with his 'Western wife', not so easy.

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 22, 2016 11:53:31 AM | 49

xfiles #35
"organisation"? just look for NATO
no else had the capacity to bring together people from all these countries; specialists of PR are certainly rather from UK + Gulf than from Syria

Posted by: Mina | Aug 22, 2016 12:22:20 PM | 50

RT is now onto the Rslan/Zinki connection. RT had two articles up earlier today, but have taken one down.

Apparently Rslan admits taking the selfie in July but says he didn’t know then who those shit-heads are.


https://www.rt.com/op-edge/356723-syrian-boy-photographer-terrorism/

Posted by: Denis | Aug 22, 2016 12:30:27 PM | 51

heyjiminy, 54 @ previous thread, wrote that the photographer of Omran the orange-seat boy, Rslan (various sp.), appears in pictures with the killers of the ‘beheaded’ kid, Abdullah.

Trawled thru all the linked material (and more!) in Berruyer’s (F) long analytic post. (Pointed to French pol/media scene so mixes in accusing F MSM and so on.)

Hopefully the pictures tell their own story, once one can recognise Rslan’s face.

https://www.les-crises.fr/le-photographe-dosmane-frequentait-les-decapiteurs-de-lenfant-syrien/

Note, MSM: CNN described (child) Abdullah’s beheading as a mistake….

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/20/middleeast/boy-beheaded-in-syria/

Rslan’s tweet, eng. to ABC (Australia) news corr. Sophie McNeill justifying his ‘role.’

https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/omran-93.jpg

Yet, such prop. is effective. Ppl are impacted by the first images, the first story telling and after the spurt of empathetic-cum-angry emotional boost, which rapidly goes evanescent; all corrections, complications, denials, etc. are ignored, of course they are barely visible (back page, 3 remark on TV at the end, etc.) Ppl can’t invalidate and review, correct, their first visceral reaction - it was true, sincere. Denying it means anulling their own humanity.

A specific form of alienation, where detachment and isolation are manipulated, and boosted, through empathy.

Many have treated the topic, from various perspectives…

> mina 13 yes Le Parisien was the only paper (afaik.)

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 22, 2016 12:31:59 PM | 52

30;The double tap was an Israeli invention,just like all the tactics of terror emulated by AlCIAda,AlnUSrA and IsUS.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 22, 2016 12:32:52 PM | 53

It became Russia And china credibility at stake! United States violated the red lines. If the United States managed the implementation of its project in Syria, then they will need to undergo all (Russia And china) with each other.
The US are occupied part of Syria now officially. This is a historic and dangerous development.
Over the last 24 hours, the United States has made clear its status as a hostile occupational force in Syria. Yesterday, the US issued a communique to the legitimate Syrian government and the Russian anti-terrorist coalition assisting the Syrians. The United States has indicated that it has carved out a swath of Syria with boots on the ground fulfilling the roles of active duty personnel, such as special ops forces, advisors, trainers, mechanics, and supporting units. The US has declared a no fly zone and threatened to target and shoot down Syrian and Russian planes within Syrian airspace (over the Kurdish autonomous region).
The US military's official statement is violation of international law, constituting an illegal occupation of a sovereign state. US Lt. General Townshend in Northern Syria laid out plans to increase the area of what the US considers "Kurdistan." by force.

Posted by: ALAN | Aug 22, 2016 12:47:28 PM | 54

lol, hasbara! Is "Slime Cohen" the best you can do? C'mon MOA deserves better, dadgummit!

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 22, 2016 1:01:10 PM | 55

War photos and videos showing victims have been so manipulated by the parties that they have no validity other than for propaganda purpose. In the West parents of victims could sue the newspapers for unauthorized photographing. Western newspapers know they won't be sued by poor Syrians. That's pure abuse of power and should be denounced.
After the orange uniform of the western adults victims of ISIS, we have now the orange of wounded or dead children..
I only hope that someone will ultimately finance a suit against these newspapers for publishing photos without the written agreement of the parents of the victims. This free abuse of children for propaganda purpose should stop now.

The UN human rights Children protection should call for an international ban on publishing photos of recognizable children in photos. invictims.

Posted by: virgile | Aug 22, 2016 1:04:46 PM | 56

Hillary will solve that by bombing, shelling and blowing to bits thousands of Syrian children. After all, to save the village, it had to be destroyed.

Too bad the MSM isn't so tearful when Israel goes on its regular homicidal campaign in Gaza.

Posted by: Greg Bacon | Aug 22, 2016 1:49:01 PM | 57

Alan@53. I would not categorize this as a no fly zone. What I think the US commander meant when he said. "Counter measures will be taken by US troops in case they “feel threatened” by Syrian or Russian air forces, according to a senior US military official. The warning comes in the wake of a recent incident with Syrian warplanes attacking areas close to US Special Forces.

“We’ve informed the Russians where we’re at ... (they) tell us they’ve informed the Syrians, and I’d just say that we will defend ourselves if we feel threatened,” recently appointed US commander of American forces in Iraq and Syria Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend said in a telephone interview with CNN on Saturday". https://www.rt.com/usa/356665-us-commander-russia-syria/ As an "exceptional" he would say that,I suppose he has to say that. The US and Russia have an agreement on where their aircraft are so as to not come into conflict, still the Russians should watch out for the US taking any liberties.I believe the Syrian air force has been back since.
If the US intend to carve out a piece of Syria for the Kurd's that would be a huge US mistake and would certainly galvanize Turkey,Iran,Iraq and Syria/Russia into a coalition to defeat the plan, since all understandings with the US are predicated on the Unity and territorial integrity of the Syrian state.

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 22, 2016 2:10:14 PM | 58

Off topic but MSM-ish.
SBS.au's scheduled 1hr 15min Russia Today broadcast in Oz suffered pic and sound glitches. Then soon after the 4minute mark RT was replaced with DW Tomorrow Today, followed by some DW International Weather, station ID, and promos. Then Merkel's "We can do this" refugee Crisis and Brexit. Kerry rambling on about an International R2P force in South Sudan (no pesky Russians/Chinese to protect Sudanese civilians from another Western Military Solution eh, John?)

I can't help wondering if the King Of Oz (the US Ambassador) has put his foot down about SBS broadcasting non-bs. Whatever the explanation, it suits my preferred narrative that the AmeriKKKans are totally f**ked in Syria - a war which the NYT-Wapo Axis hasn't a snowflake's chance in Hell of helping Obama (& Bibi) to win.
I don't mind missing a (usually sanitised) episode of RT because the smell of Yankee Desperation in the morning is far superior.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 22, 2016 2:51:59 PM | 59

Since RT has been referenced here I have a query. In recent weeks I have been getting an rt's "server DNS cannot be found" error message. This has been happening intermittently. Today I haven't gotten the RT site once.

Posted by: ToivoS | Aug 22, 2016 3:13:44 PM | 60

harrylaw @ 58
take a look here pls
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/08/breaking-us-occupation-of-syria-now.html

Posted by: ALAN | Aug 22, 2016 3:36:14 PM | 61

@ comment #51 I noted that this morning RT had taken down an article on the Rslan/Zinki connection. Here's a link to that (still) missing article.

https://www.rt.com/news/356734-aleppo-child-image-china/

RT is getting behind the Chinese who are calling "foul ball" (or the Chinese equivalent) on Rslan.

And here's Ron Paul Institute on what a moron US Lt.Gen. Townsend must be for threatening Syria for operating in its own country.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2016/august/21/us-warns-syrian-militaryagainst-operating-inside-syria/

Putin/Assad need to get in there and set up a country-wide no-fly zone before USG/UK/GoI do it.

Posted by: Denis | Aug 22, 2016 4:13:15 PM | 62

@57 gb 'Too bad the MSM isn't so tearful when Israel goes on its regular homicidal campaign in Gaza'

Israel seems to be firing up another such as you speak. Gaza: Four Palestinians injured in Israeli strikes


The Israeli army has carried out dozens of air and tank strikes across northern Gaza, injuring at least four Palestinians, in response to a rocket launched from the Palestinian territory into Israel.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 22, 2016 8:32:51 PM | 63

sorry, the link Gaza: Four Palestinians injured in Israeli strikes

Posted by: jfl | Aug 22, 2016 8:34:35 PM | 64

There have been nearly 300,000 deaths - or perhaps a half-million - in Syria since the onset of the US' NATO campaign of death, devastation, and destruction there. This story is not about 1 of them, it is about the duststorm of deceit that follows, involuntarily confusing the issue in the minds of those exposed from below, as Noirette points out at @52, via the deceit orchestrated across the broad front of the NATO media, as Piotr terms them @40.

This whole story is about the white-washing, the sand-blasting, of Yet Another US/NATO Criminal Aggression and its attendant DDD&D - this one, like the one in Ukraine, 'led from behind' - as the neo-cons in the US/NATO prepare the NATO populace for their aggression, led from behind and failing, to be re-engaged, directly.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 22, 2016 9:02:30 PM | 65

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 22, 2016 8:56:38 AM | 39

Are you OK?
It can be hard to come to terms with some of the crap being perpetrated by the people(?!) in charge of the Fake War On Terror...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 23, 2016 1:35:33 AM | 66

Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 23, 2016 1:35:33 AM | 66

Sure, I'm fine. Just not joining this parade.
It could be said everything is crap; what one thinks one knows is crap; everything one has been taught is crap; everything said is crap; etc., etc., etc..
On the other hand, who knows? ;-)

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 23, 2016 2:48:20 AM | 67

Behind the photograph of Omran Danesh


The company Innovative Communications & Strategies (InCoStrat), created by MI6 to arrange NATO propaganda about Syria [1], released a video and a photograph of the young Omran Daqneesh (5 years), rescued by White Helmets, in an ambulance in Aleppo.

This literature has been around the world and the "one" of the most Atlanticist bloc newspapers. It became the symbol of the children massacred by the "regime of Bashar al-Assad and his Russian allies."

According InCoStrat -which had already published the photograph of the young Aylan Kurdi, death on a Turkish beach trying to cross the Mediterranean - the child's house was bombed and his parents have died.

The White Helmets are a "NGO" serving as cover for the CIA (United States), MI6 (UK) and the IDB (Netherlands).

The agency states-unienne Associated Press photograph of Omran Daqneesh was conducted by Mahmoud Raslan, whose remarks were widely quoted by the agency and included in the Atlanticist press.

Mahmoud Raslan is a jihadist group Harakat Nour al-Din al-Zenki (supported by the CIA, which provided him with anti-tank missiles BGM-71 TOW). It a month ago, on 19 July 2016, Mahmoud Raslan slaughtered himself a young Palestinian child, Abdullah Tayseer Al Issa (12 years).

The children, who can not choose which side they are, are still the victims of war. Use their image out of context is an act of propaganda to distort the understanding of the facts. [2]

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 23, 2016 10:06:02 AM | 69

@V. Arnold | Aug 23, 2016 2:48:20 AM | 67

Why are you supporting discredited "White Helmets" propaganda?

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 23, 2016 10:07:16 AM | 70

So what's Theresa May up to? This is too little too late:

MI5 ‘blocked’ arrest of ISIS-supporting radical preacher Choudary ‘for years’

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 23, 2016 10:15:23 AM | 71

Somebody needs to place a comment to Abby Zimet as she's just as lost and fooled by this cheap Daesh propaganda as most it seems--and not for the first time, http://www.commondreams.org/further/2016/08/23/life-and-death-aleppo It appears Russian media is now wise to these image manipulations and the lies that go with them, https://www.rt.com/op-edge/356723-syrian-boy-photographer-terrorism/

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 23, 2016 2:17:04 PM | 72

For London, propaganda is an art, by Thierry Meyssan

BLOCKQUOTE>
[..]
Just as in all wars, the war against Syria has triggered an avalanche of propaganda. And the use of children is always a winning strategy.

So, at the beginning of the war, Qatar wanted to demonstrate that the Republic, far from serving the general interest, actually despised the People. The petro-dictatorship then broadcast, on its TV channel Al-Jazeera, the legend of the children of Deraa, supposedly tortured by the police. To illustrate the cruelty of its adversary, Qatar specified that their fingernails had been torn out. Of course, despite research, no journalist could find any trace of these children. The BBC broadcast an interview with two of them, but their nails were still intact.

Since the myth could not be proved, Qatar then launched a new story – that of a child, Hamza Ali Al-Khateeb (13 years old), who had allegedly been tortured and castrated by the «regime’s» police. This time, they provided a convincing image. Everyone could see that the body had no sex. However, the autopsy showed that the body had been poorly preserved, and that it had fermented and swollen. The stomach hid the child’s sex, which was still present.

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In this magazine, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle imagined the arrest of a German spy by Sherlock Holmes. The writer was working for the Office of War Propaganda.

At the end of 2013, the British took over the task of war propaganda. They had a long experience in that sector, and are considered to have invented modern propaganda during the first World War, with the Office of War Propaganda. One of the characteristics of their method is to rely on artists, because aesthetics tend to neutralise critical thinking. In 1914, they recruited the great authors of the time – like Arthur Conan Doyle, H.G. Wells and Rudyard Kipling – to publish texts which attributed imaginary crimes to their German enemy. Then they recruited the heads of their major newspapers to publish the imaginary information invented by the authors.

When the United States adopted the British method, in 1917, with the Committee on Public Information, they made a more precise study of the mechanisms of persuasion, with the help of star journalist Walter Lippmann and the inventor of modern publicity, Edward Bernays (Sigmund Freud’s nephew). But, persuaded of the power of science, they forgot about aesthetics.

At the beginning of 2014, the British MI6 created the company Innovative Communications & Strategies (InCoStrat) to whom we owe, for example, the magnificent logos of the armed groups, from the most «moderate» to the most «extremist». This company, which has offices in Washington and Istanbul, organised the campaign to convince the Europeans to offer sanctuary to 1 million refugees. It was this company that photographed young Aylan Kurdi, drowned on a Turkish beach, and managed, in two days, to have it published on the front page of the main Atlantist newspapers in all NATO countries as well as those of the Gulf Cooperation Council.
[..]

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 23, 2016 3:05:56 PM | 73

For London, propaganda is an art, by Thierry Meyssan

Sorry for screwing up the first time, please delete.


[..]
Just as in all wars, the war against Syria has triggered an avalanche of propaganda. And the use of children is always a winning strategy.

So, at the beginning of the war, Qatar wanted to demonstrate that the Republic, far from serving the general interest, actually despised the People. The petro-dictatorship then broadcast, on its TV channel Al-Jazeera, the legend of the children of Deraa, supposedly tortured by the police. To illustrate the cruelty of its adversary, Qatar specified that their fingernails had been torn out. Of course, despite research, no journalist could find any trace of these children. The BBC broadcast an interview with two of them, but their nails were still intact.

Since the myth could not be proved, Qatar then launched a new story – that of a child, Hamza Ali Al-Khateeb (13 years old), who had allegedly been tortured and castrated by the «regime’s» police. This time, they provided a convincing image. Everyone could see that the body had no sex. However, the autopsy showed that the body had been poorly preserved, and that it had fermented and swollen. The stomach hid the child’s sex, which was still present.

JPEG - 50.1 kb
In this magazine, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle imagined the arrest of a German spy by Sherlock Holmes. The writer was working for the Office of War Propaganda.

At the end of 2013, the British took over the task of war propaganda. They had a long experience in that sector, and are considered to have invented modern propaganda during the first World War, with the Office of War Propaganda. One of the characteristics of their method is to rely on artists, because aesthetics tend to neutralise critical thinking. In 1914, they recruited the great authors of the time – like Arthur Conan Doyle, H.G. Wells and Rudyard Kipling – to publish texts which attributed imaginary crimes to their German enemy. Then they recruited the heads of their major newspapers to publish the imaginary information invented by the authors.

When the United States adopted the British method, in 1917, with the Committee on Public Information, they made a more precise study of the mechanisms of persuasion, with the help of star journalist Walter Lippmann and the inventor of modern publicity, Edward Bernays (Sigmund Freud’s nephew). But, persuaded of the power of science, they forgot about aesthetics.

At the beginning of 2014, the British MI6 created the company Innovative Communications & Strategies (InCoStrat) to whom we owe, for example, the magnificent logos of the armed groups, from the most «moderate» to the most «extremist». This company, which has offices in Washington and Istanbul, organised the campaign to convince the Europeans to offer sanctuary to 1 million refugees. It was this company that photographed young Aylan Kurdi, drowned on a Turkish beach, and managed, in two days, to have it published on the front page of the main Atlantist newspapers in all NATO countries as well as those of the Gulf Cooperation Council.
[..]

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 23, 2016 3:06:56 PM | 74

Guardian deletes 45% of comments BTL to control its Syria agenda | OffGuardian


The Guardian wasted no time in further exploiting the al Nusra promotional vid it already splurged on its front pages without bothering to check the source. Hardly was it uploaded to the servers before the Graun was using it as a platform to promote – yet again – the (current) official western narrative on Syria, viz that it’s all about Assad and his Russian allies brutalising civilians and some lovely vaguely-defined “rebels”, and if only they could be made to stop everything would be fine.

We have to say “current” narrative because it changes, frequently. Yes, Assad was indeed previously the premier bad guy du jour, but after the failure to get approval for airstrikes against him, the official narrative started saying ISIS was the problem and no.1 threat to western civilisation, remember? And that remained the line until Russia intervened and started bombing ISIS, which unexpectedly blew that official narrative to bits. Now we have version three, or a reboot of version two. Now suddenly and inexplicably, ISIS has gone from threatening the world with its multi-billion dollar oil and artefact empire to being a sort of barely-acknowledged bit-player whose precise whereabouts are never defined, except that they are never ever located were Russia is bombing – which is always where the “moderates” are. Now, once again the problem is Assad, but mostly it’s Russia, because since they’ve been there they have done literally nothing but bomb hospitals. Because, you see, they are movie bad guys who are evil purely for the sake of it, and we in the west are heroes who have to somehow foil them.

This narrative has never really got much traction, mostly because it’s stupid, and right now it’s not going over at all. The latest serving of it,”The Guardian View on Syrian civilian casualties: Omran Daqneesh – a child of war” was published at 7:58pm on August 18 and remained open for comments for no more than two hours. In that time the BTL section erupted in outrage and was shredded by the moderators. The results are shameful. Of the 75 comments not entirely obliterated (which happens), 34 (45%) had their content deleted. And after all that not even all the remaining 55% were supportive of the ATL line.

The Guardian had to delete 45% of its own readers opinions, just to mantain a bare semblance of its agenda.[..]

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 23, 2016 3:29:45 PM | 75

The rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/aleppo-boys-photographer-ally-of-us-supported-terrorists-elaborately-staged-hoax/5542137

Posted by: xyz | Aug 23, 2016 4:26:45 PM | 78

ProPeace | Aug 23, 2016 10:07:16 AM | 70

Where the hell did I say that?
Don't be a jackass and put words in my mouth!

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 23, 2016 8:17:45 PM | 79

Aleppo Syria ‘Dust Boy’ Image Staged

Jay Dyer
21st Century Wire

The war image perfectly serves the neoconservative agenda for supporting ISIS and demonizing the Russian effort to destory ISIS and Al Nusra terrorist targets in Syria.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3D4Uf0K0sTw

Posted by: virgile | Aug 24, 2016 5:16:20 PM | 80

Reference the phrase 'double-tap'.

As a bog-standard infantryman in the 1970's this was the technique used in CQB by the Brits/Yanks/Everybody. Semi-automatic fire (effectively) was required for correct use of the 'double-tap' approach (either gas/spring recoil) which, in the early decades of the 20th, was most often the case with pistols or sub-machine guns. Infantry semi (and fully) automatic rifles were widely adopted in the mid-to-late fifties and it then became standard practice with infantry soldiers after that.

There is overwhelming evidence that it was also part of the the training programs for agents/special forces during WWII. As nothing is new in this world, I'd propose it was in training manuals much earlier than that.

Nowt to do with Israel. Nowt to do with modern warfare - with the exception that aircraft/drone based missile systems can re-fire effectively enough to permit a 'double-tap' as and when required.

Posted by: Amer Hudson | Aug 30, 2016 1:08:45 AM | 82

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