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July 28, 2016

Will Preemptive Accusations Against Russia Cover Up Voting Fraud?

The Clinton campaign and some pseudo experts assert that Russia is somehow guilty of hacking the Democratic National Committee and of revealing DNC emails via Wikileaks. There is zero hard evidence for that. The Clinton campaign also claims that Trump asked Russia to hack Clinton's emails. That is also not the case.

But two "liberal" computer experts, who are taken serious in the security scene, now build on those false assertions to say that Russia might manipulate voting machines in the November 9 elections. It would do so, presumably, to change the vote count in favor of Trump.

A Bruce Schneier op ed in today's Washington Post is headlined: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines.

That headline alone is already dumb. ANY hacker could target and manipulate the easy to deceive voting machines - should those be connected to the Internet. Local administrators of such machines can manipulate them any time.

Schneier is, untypically for him, in war mongering mode.

If the intelligence community has indeed ascertained that Russia is to blame, our government needs to decide what to do in response. This is difficult because the attacks are politically partisan, but it is essential. If foreign governments learn that they can influence our elections with impunity, this opens the door for future manipulations, both document thefts and dumps like this one that we see and more subtle manipulations that we don’t see.

The U.S. manipulates foreign elections all the time, according to Bush administration lawyer Jack Goldsmith. It may not feel nice to suddenly be the target of manipulation attempts instead of the perpetrator, but manipulation attempts in elections are normal everywhere and no reason to start a war or other "response" measures.

Schneier:

[W]e need to secure our election systems before autumn. If Putin’s government has already used a cyberattack to attempt to help Trump win, there’s no reason to believe he won’t do it again — especially now that Trump is inviting the “help.”

What a joke. Trump has not invited Russian "help" to manipulate voting computers. Trump also did not ask Russia to "hack" the Clinton email sever. That server no longer exists. If the Clinton email-server was secure, as Clinton asserts, and if the emails in question have been deleted, as Clinton also asserts, how could Russia  "hack" for them?

Trump made a FOIA request for emails that, Hillary Clinton claims, have been deleted. What does she fear about that? Trump asked Russia to give the deleted Clinton emails to the FBI, should it by chance have a copy of them. Such a Freedom of Information Act request usually goes to a part of the U.S. administration. But the Obama administration says it does not have those emails. Trump then made a joke in directing the request to Russia.

Trump did get the furious media "outrage" response he intended to get. He thereby ruined the PR effect of the last night of the Democratic Convention. That was likely the sole intention of his stunt and again shows his marketing genius.

But back to the Schneier op-ed. That one is now joined by a piece at Boing Boing by Cory Doctorow. Doctorow is like Schneier a famous person in the computer scene. He quotes the Schneier piece and adds:

Voting machines are so notoriously terrible that they'd be a very tempting target for Russia or other states that want to influence the outcome in 2016 (or merely destabilize the US by calling into question the outcome in an election).

The Doctorow sentence neglects, like Schneier, that the entities with the most obvious interest and capabilities to manipulate U.S. voting machines are not foreign countries. U.S. presidential candidates and their parties have much more at stake. The candidates and the money and interests behind them have stronger motives as well as more potential to change the voting results.

Why do we see such an orchestrated attempt to preemptively accuse Russia of potentially manipulating U.S. voting? This without ANY evidence that Russia ever has or would attempt to do so? Are there already plans for such manipulations that need a plausible foreign culprit as cover up story? Or is there a color revolution in preparation to eventually disenfranchise the election winner?

Cory Doctorow also sees destabilization as a possible motive and outcome of voting manipulations. Already back in March John Robb warned of a scenario this fall in which election results come into serious doubt and where a conflict over voting results escalates into a civil war.

I do not foresee such a scenario (yet). But should large scale voting manipulations take place, and be blamed on Russia, more than a civil war enters the realm of possibilities.

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When the DNC crushed Bernie for Hillary, it was the declaration of the US as a failed state.

Posted by: Steve | Jul 28, 2016 2:29:40 PM | 1

these hacked emails may have torpedoed hillary's campaign!!!

Posted by: bbbb | Jul 28, 2016 2:35:53 PM | 2

Ugh. Disappointing from Schneier.

Posted by: Jessica | Jul 28, 2016 2:52:46 PM | 3

"hacking", or rather, snooping and leaking, is business as usual... remember when the Sanders and Clinton campaigns were fighting over DNC server data?
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-jeff-weaver/
the source of the DNC email leak is irrelevant. the orwellian chant "Putin bad; US good!" is the point of the whole thing, and the media is just a bullhorn for the party/parties. the voting machine rumor is probably aimed at the actual corruption in some places that was designed to favor republicans in swing states. (ironic!) watch them call for more honest verification this time around.

but I do look forward to the show when the emails Trump referred to are released. what is Hillary afraid of? it's not like nobody knows what she's done... and wants to do next.

Posted by: anon | Jul 28, 2016 3:00:23 PM | 4

For all intents and purposes, the United States has been a failed state from the perspective of voting integrity from at least 2000. The lunatics are running the asylum here and we voters are only allowed to participate as a hollow form of placation.

Posted by: Bruno Marz | Jul 28, 2016 3:01:16 PM | 5

So experts are saying our elections are not reliable and can be hacked. But only by Russians?

Posted by: current resident | Jul 28, 2016 3:03:39 PM | 6

Our famous "free press," so totally controlled by Big Corporations. Always looking for a way to try to persuade the public that any political and social actions is bad and of no importance. ACK!

On Tuesday night, iirc, but could have been Wednesday, the discussion mentioned Occupy as a failed political/social movement. PBS's Gwen Ifill said that it was "crushed by its own weight." It was part of the MCM (Mainstream Corporate Media) declaring the Sanders' promoted political revolution dead and nearly buried.

My immediate thought was of the White House managed meetings with mayors of cities where Occupy was very much not "crushed," and how they coordinated their attacks by knocking down tents, dumped books into dupsters, which were part of the free lending library in some cities, and forcing people out of sites long occupied with the persuasion of threatened force and physical harm.

But her statement was part and parcel of how the actual left of any type is dismissed and disrespected by the Corporatist Dems and their Repub allies.

Posted by: jawbone | Jul 28, 2016 3:16:03 PM | 7

Also, note the the MCM has assiduously avoided any reporting of the findings of investigations showing just how easily and frequently ACTUAL vote fraud has perpetrated using computerized voting machines.

Posted by: jawbone | Jul 28, 2016 3:17:51 PM | 8

we know the neocons intend to cheat to get Hillary elected. Sounds like a warning to Russia to keep out of the way or else.

Posted by: Alaric | Jul 28, 2016 3:22:04 PM | 9

A question,
Do these people actually believe their anti-russian propaganda, what do you think?

Posted by: Rebel1 | Jul 28, 2016 3:27:43 PM | 10

The neo-cons realized how easy it was to rig the election in 2000 after which both sides do it. Now it's down to who who rigs it best. It's a one-party state anyway, two cheeks on the same ass, but every politician wants to be the one who does the telling not the told.

I think the neo-cons impeached Clinton to ruin the Democrat run because 9/11 was ready to go, and they needed to be in power or they risked being uncovered by the security services of a Gore White House. When the impeachment failed they had no choice but to go in and steal it, because they'd have gone down for their treason. Look what it did to the world.

Posted by: Mick McNulty | Jul 28, 2016 3:55:30 PM | 11

Thanks b for your persistence in shining the torchlight..

Unfortunately for Bruce Schneier, Mr. James Clapper is not ready

US Intelligence Not Ready to Name Party Behind DNC
http://sputniknews.com/us/20160728/1043732561/usa-intel-not-ready-dnc-hack.html

US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said that the US intelligence authorities are not ready to say who is responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee emails.

I do not think we are quite ready yet to make a call on attribution," Clapper stated at the Aspen Security Forum.


~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Why not and when will he be ready? Oh never mind.

If Schneier is so concerned the election voting machines can be hacked -(Notice no mention of pre-programmed votes) - let’s return to paper ballots and pencils.

And who counts the votes?

Oh wait..the Supreme Court may issue a decree to stop the count as they did on December 12, 2000.


Posted by: likklemore | Jul 28, 2016 4:03:55 PM | 12

In a desperate attempt for bs stupid assertion of Trumps genius, b refuses to give a link for what Trump actually said. B also refuses to give us a sentenced quote from Trump. How weak.

This video below shows that the pressure of the Russian hacking lies worked on Trump. What kind of genius is that b ?
Trump: Putin has no respect for The US. Starts at 1min 20 sec : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=riuduXz5Y2I

Trump on Russia finding hillays emails : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ

If trump is such a genius then why would he make so many idiotic and contradictory statements, and then cave it so easily into pressure of lies like this against Russia ? Immediately antagonising Russia.
Also if trump really understands how corrupt the US voting system is, then what kind of genius would not hedge himself against that voting corruption surely to be done against Trump and for Hitlery - by saying insanely incessant stupid moronic things that expose him to attacks.
Wouldn't you hedge yourself by keeping on core message and not dragging yourself back into the pack with stupidity.

Trump said that Putin called Trump a genius, and pathetically that's all b needs to know.

Posted by: tom | Jul 28, 2016 4:08:55 PM | 13

@ Steve 1


Oh my. That was quick, even before HRC’s acceptance tonight.

Bernie has left the Democratic Party, back to being an Independent


Bernie Sanders Leaves The Democratic Party
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-28/bernie-sanders-leaves-democratic-party

I am totally confused. What about his supporters?

Posted by: likklemore | Jul 28, 2016 4:10:36 PM | 14

sorry, can't help it... ''putin did it''...

no hard evidence, but since when did the ''exceptional'' nation ever need any kind of evidence? they're working with wmds ( weapons of mass deception) on a f/t basis 24/7...

Posted by: james | Jul 28, 2016 4:13:06 PM | 15

Why is no one calling for the simple solution: Paper voting?

Posted by: Barbara | Jul 28, 2016 4:13:40 PM | 16

Not that I think it was but pointing to Fetullah Gülen's group would make more sense .Turkey would agree and I am sure if we took a vote around the world at this time we could muster Him to the front of the pack .

Posted by: Terry | Jul 28, 2016 4:21:30 PM | 17

Revolution?
Civil War?

In the US?

Hell no!

While it is what needs to happen, Hillary is popular simply because she in fact represents the people ... not just the oligarchs, not just Goldman Sachs etal. She represents the MIC (military industrial complex) ... not the issue Americans care about.

This country was based on theft and genocide. There is no point in assuming that has changed. If anything it is not only still happening, it has become the clarion call of the maASSES. Clinton is the clearest, most obvious, and most popular exemplar of the soulless AmeriKKKa.

That does not mean a revolution is not needed. It simply means that the chicken-shit and cowardly AmeriKKKans will never revolt ... even as revolting as we (yeah that includes me) are!

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 28, 2016 4:31:21 PM | 18

Blackeye on newspaper publishing. The Washington Post has signaled a death knell to responsible journalism.

Posted by: georgeg | Jul 28, 2016 4:43:00 PM | 19

The problem with the 'Trump as Manchurian Candidate' narrative is that most people (even Democrats) deep down, probably don't really believe it. It runs right into his 'America First' that the same people have been complaining about. In the absence of hard evidence, actually shared with the public, the Putin connection will eventually fall apart. Trumps MO is to say something that generates a lot of outrage that dominates the news cycle at opportune moments. He does this when there is something else he doesn't want you to pay attention to. Remember when Trump University was in the news? He comes back with those statements about the judge. Last night, you had the president, the vice-president among the heavy hitters - what better time to pull a stunt like that? For a party that prides themselves as being the 'smart' one, the Democrats have been remarkably slow in figuring this out.
Trump probably won't pull anything like this with Hillary - the thing with her is that the more people see her, the less they like her - so let her have her hour of shouting a speech at us.

Posted by: ian | Jul 28, 2016 4:43:38 PM | 20

For voting machine issues, watch the Stephen Spoonamore series on youtube. Each segment is about 3-4 minutes. Think there are eight segments. The series is 10 years old but extremely timely.

Velvet Revolution Interviews Stephen Spoonamore (segment 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAyEfovA404

THEN watch his 2008 series, search youtube. Warning: Annoying white noise in background. His solution to vote fraud specified in the later segments is ingenious.

Spoonamore was the guy American Express and major banks called when they are hacked.

Posted by: MRW | Jul 28, 2016 4:58:51 PM | 21

There's a lot of reason for believing the Republicans stole the 2004 U.S. presidential election through computer manipulation.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 28, 2016 4:59:18 PM | 22

I *always* disliked that guy Scheneir now b has given me cause, thanks. (No that I know anything about hacking.)

Some US rulings:

Obama executive order 2015 cyber emergency

Supreme court judgement May 2016 - Tor and VPN users

Here the kicker:

A cyber attack has been given the status of a conventional military attack by NATO on 14th June in a major policy change that increases the likelihood of a world war against Russia.

NATO 14 June

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 28, 2016 5:00:20 PM | 23

Bruce Schneier has been having a neolibcon bias for years with a blind spot for NSA activities. I stopped reading his stupid blog, with little to no added value regarding security news, when it became too obvious.

PS: when will you remove the embedded links to google, yahoo, ...?

Posted by: nr23 | Jul 28, 2016 5:02:10 PM | 24

The democrats are warning loud and clear that Russia may hack the voting machines in favor of Trump.
In fact, they are preparing the terrain to use this argument in case Trump is elected.
To make such stupid statements, it shows that the dems are seriously worried that Hillary is quickly loosing ground.

Posted by: virgile | Jul 28, 2016 5:22:06 PM | 25

Barbara @16--

Absolutely must have paper ballots counted by humans and then the results must also be tabulated by a human using a calculator to attain the cumulative total. Basic ballot security is solid as Brad at the bradblog reports--he specializes in voter and election fraud and is very good--but the machines must be junked ASAP.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 28, 2016 5:22:29 PM | 26

There is no excuse for the us not having a paper ballot in addition to the digital. There's decent enough proof to warrant suspicion that the republicans rigged the vote in Ohio in 2008. The only reason not to have paper copies is to allow fraud.

Posted by: Cresty | Jul 28, 2016 5:46:24 PM | 27

@27 cresty, 'The only reason not to have paper copies is to allow fraud.'

Very well and concisely put. Except for the 'copies' bit. The only reason not to have paper ballots is to allow fraud.

To me the answer seems obvious: voters registered and elections administered, ballots tallied and stored at the precinct level.

There are about 175,000 precincts in the USA, each composed of 1,000 to 2,000 people. A workable size for real, participatory democracy, the basis for all constituencies - municipal, county, state, federal - erected upon them. First come the people, then come our governments.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 28, 2016 6:05:56 PM | 28

Watch:

New: Spoonamore - Sep 2008 - Part 8 - "What part don't you understand...paper ballots please.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WTe8ppEIic
2:47 minutes
.

Posted by: MRW | Jul 28, 2016 6:10:02 PM | 29

from Russia (with Love)

Russia To US: "Sort Out Your Own Hacking Scandal; It Is Not Our Headache"

As the silly farce over whether Russia hacked the DNC continues, earlier today the Kremlin had some harsh words for the US.

Russia told the United States on Thursday to get to the bottom of of its own hacking scandal. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said accusations of a Russian hand in hacking Democratic Party emails bordered on "total stupidity" and were motivated by anti-Russian sentiment. Suggestions of Russian involvement riled the Kremlin, which has categorically denied this and accused U.S. politicians of seeking to play on Cold War-style U.S. fears of Moscow by fabricating stories for electoral purposes.

"As regards these (email) batches, that is not our headache. We never poke our noses into others' affairs and we really don't like it when people try to poke their nose into ours," he said.

"The Americans needs to get to the bottom of what these emails are themselves and find out what it's all about."

Link to ZeroHedge → Link to ACLU

Posted by: crone | Jul 28, 2016 6:41:21 PM | 30

oops! "Link to ACLU" should have been deleted. Sorry!

Posted by: crone | Jul 28, 2016 6:42:27 PM | 31

2004, not 2008. Obama and Dems won Ohio in 2008.

The Republicans' computer expert in Ohio died afterwards in a fishy small plane accident just as he was about to testify.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 28, 2016 6:52:40 PM | 32

"... Trump made a FOIA request for emails that, Hillary Clinton claims, have been deleted. What does she fear about that? Trump asked Russia to give the deleted Clinton emails to the FBI, should it by chance have a copy of them. Such a Freedom of Information Act request usually goes to a part of the U.S. administration. But the Obama administration says it does not have those emails. Trump then made a joke in directing the request to Russia ..."

What Clinton fears is that the deleted emails are emails related to the work she did (or supposedly did) while she was US Secretary of State and therefore they would be proof that she violated federal US laws on recordkeeping. Some of these emails might cast light on the 2012 Benghazi consulate attack and whether she can be held partly responsible for the deaths of four Americans during that attack.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 28, 2016 6:55:21 PM | 33

Jessia @3. Schneier is an insider - Harvard and the US DoD. It is also ironic that he wrote a book titled:

Liars and Outliers: Enabling the Trust that Society Needs to Thrive

Way to go, Bruce!

Posted by: Yonatan | Jul 28, 2016 7:47:18 PM | 34

Bruno Marz @ 5

If voter fraud is the criterion of a failed state (and why not), the US failed in 1960 when John Kennedy not only stole the Democratic nomination through voter fraud in West Virginia but also stole the general election through voter fraud in Illinois.

Tricky Dick Nixon was urged to contest the Illinois vote and contest the outcome of the election. He pointedly refused to do so saying that a contested election would do more harm to the country than allowing a fraudulent victory for JFK.

Nixon was quite a complicated person.

Posted by: Macon Richardson | Jul 28, 2016 8:00:44 PM | 35

I agree that Schneier is not a neutral source and don't know what sort of agenda he is pushing with his call for action. I believe that all the existing voting machines are suspect. For that to be done right there needs to be source code that is verified and checked all the way through the process.

Oregon has vote by mail with paper ballots that are reviewed by both parties during the count and I suspect/believe no corruption. It will be interesting to see what sort of "secure and trusted" voting we have in November, other than in Oregon. This is a subject that should get extreme public focus but will likely end up being overshadowed by some crisis and corruption of our election process will continue, and likely increase.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 28, 2016 8:10:02 PM | 36

Well, it does appear the U.S. is in full Loon mode (my apologies to the bird).
The Clinton campaign is doing a fantastic job of deflection and distraction and the idiots are falling for it.
It would seem Russia's Pres. Putin is indeed omnipotent.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jul 28, 2016 8:57:12 PM | 37

@14 likklemore

Great news! Just as I expected it. Go Bernie!

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 8:57:23 PM | 38

The missing Hitlary Killton's deleted emails would reveal most probably that the current war against Libya, Syria, Iraq has been mostly her private endeavor (plus Petreaus, CIA, Raytheon) at the request of her Bilderberg/City of London Crown Corporation masters, outside Obama's control.

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 9:02:14 PM | 39

@23 Thank you Noirette for that missing piece of the puzzle.

I forgot abut that in my reply on earlier thread.

The scenario deep state/global criminal cabal has been preparing against the US people and the world would go like this:
1) Hitlary looses to Trump
2) Russia is blamed with fabricated evidence for rigging the election
3) civil unrest in incited (Israeli snipers shooting civilians at random + police trained by the Israeli advisors brutalizes protesters)
4) hot spots in conflict zones (Turkey, Ukraine, Pribaltica) are set on fire - blamed on Russia (Phillipines blamed on China)
5) nukes going off in Chicago
6) NATO considers "Russian cyber attack" as an act of war and responds


In order to avoid this at this point anybody who supports the Hell Bitch should be boycotted and ostracized, including all the celebrities (who obviously pay their dues for their dark, secret deals) not only that filth Sarah Silverman and alike, who lower themselves to such a sewer level, also companies, local politicians and so on...

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 9:17:30 PM | 40

Let's not forget Karl Rove case witness killed in plane crash, sisters want answers


Web guru was potential witness in Ohio voting fraud case

Shannon Connell of Madison says her brother Michael rarely talked about work. She knew he ran an Ohio company called New Media Communications that set up websites for Republicans including former President George H.W. Bush and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. But it wasn't until after he died last December, when the small plane he was piloting crashed, that she learned via the Internet of his tie to a voter fraud case and to allegations that presidential adviser Karl Rove had made threats against him.

"At first, it was really hard for me to believe Mike was dead because somebody wanted him dead," says Shannon, a buyer for a local children's resale shop. "But as time goes on, it's hard for me not to believe there was something deliberate about it."

A native of Illinois, Shannon moved to Madison in 2002, the same year as her sister, Mary Jo Walker. Walker, a former Dane County Humane Society employee, has similar concerns about their brother's death: "It doesn't seem right to me at all."

Michael Connell - who died at age 45, leaving a wife and four kids - was a computer networking expert who lived near Akron. Last July 17, an attorney who's filed a federal civil rights lawsuit alleging a conspiracy to rig elections in Ohio held a press conference at which he identified Connell as a principal witness.

The attorney, Cliff Arnebeck of Columbus, Ohio, tells Isthmus he doesn't believe Connell was engaged in criminal activity but may have been a "data-processing implementer" for those who were. "I was told he was at the table when some criminal things were discussed."

A week after the press conference, on July 24, Arnebeck wrote U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey seeking protection for Connell, whom he said had been "threatened" by Rove, a key player in the campaigns of George W. Bush. Arenebeck says Connell was told through an intermediary that unless he agreed to "take the fall" for election fraud in Ohio, his wife [and New Media partner] faced prosecution for lobby law violations. There was no claim of a threat on Connell's person.

Arnebeck was permitted to depose Connell last Nov. 3. The portion of this deposition that dealt with the alleged threats was sealed, but Arnebeck is preparing a motion to make it all public. He affirms that Connell denied any involvement in voter fraud, but thinks Rove still had reason to regard him as a threat.

"The problem that Mike Connell represented is [he was] a guy of conscience," says Arnebeck. "If it came right down to it, he would not commit perjury." Arnebeck "absolutely" would have called Connell as a witness in his lawsuit.

Shannon and Mary Jo both say their brother, a devout Catholic, seemed upset in the weeks before his death. Mary Jo feels he was "stressed out and depressed" on his birthday last November; Shannon says he atypically did not respond to an email she'd sent.

On Dec. 19, Connell flew alone in his single-engine Piper Supercub from a small airport near Washington, D.C. The plane crashed on its final approach to his hometown Akron-Canton Airport, between two houses. The cause is still under investigation but is presumed accidental.

The blogosphere refuses to accept this. "Mike was getting ready to talk," writes one online journalist who labels Connell a source. "He was frightened."


Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 9:24:29 PM | 41

DEMEXIT Is REAL and Is Gaining Steam. Interactive Map To Re-Register


Going viral and encouraging disgruntled Democrats to leave the party in all states without upcoming primaries. This does not mean that a percentage of these people won’t still vote Democrat in the general election but there is also an active effort coming from the Green Party to recruit these people. Sanders very publicly leaving the Democrat Party to return to Independent was very significant and a signal to his supporters to give the Demexit go sign. Many states have a deadline of August 1st for pre-election party switches, so that leaves only a couple days for many.

The interactive map and Demexit instruction page being circulated is here. As is customary with the left, alot of work and coordination went into putting this together.

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 9:33:51 PM | 42

@ ProPeace 38 ,39

Question being asked in Vermont on party affiliation

Is Bernie Sanders an Independent or a Democrat?

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/28/bernie-sanders-party-affiliation-not-simple-question/87666494/


Sanders is an Independent in the Senate but also a member of the Democratic Party, according to his spokesman, Michael Briggs.

Notice Biggs said member?
= = = =

the missing deleted emails would most likely also reveal the innards of the Clinton family Foundation. Not really missing. It would be a great disappointment if copies are not in a few 3 letter agencies.

Posted by: likklemore | Jul 28, 2016 9:44:13 PM | 43

@43 likklemore

Yes, Clinton Foundation is the motherload... :-)

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 9:58:37 PM | 44

Did I already mention this?

Clinton, Trump, Epstein And The Lolita Express | Winter Watch


The case of well-connected Jewish billionaire Jeffrey Epstein made a splash about a year ago. Convicted of sex with under-aged girls, since then related news has been largely suppressed. Epstein is in a position to compromise high level people by providing under-aged girls for the likes of Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton. Dossiers and lewd photos with teenyboppers may be called upon as needed.

I actually believe these activities are a requirement for entrance into the Crime Syndicate inner circle. In fact, this goes along way in explaining how an obscure Arkansas governor who can’t keep it in his pants can go on to become president of the United States and his wife the leading presidential candidate now. According to John Perkins in Confession of an Economic Hitman, the motives of psychopaths at the top of pyramid are sex, money and power.

Now it has been revealed that Bill Clinton was in reality a dedicated regular reveler on Epstein’s jet, Lolita Express. The mainstream media has suddenly “discovered” that instead of being an infrequent “acquaintance” of Epstein, Clinton was listed on the flight logs 26 times in just three years. One wonders why such a story wasn’t revealed much earlier?

Curiously, faux nationalist Donald Trump also has some Epstein involvement, including a rape accusation (at an Epstein party) that so far has gotten little Dominant Media (aka MSM) play. Trump’s other friends were described here.

In addition, another one-two punch story is emerging of Clinton Foundation slush funds being used for “investments” with Bill’s alleged mistress, and yet another member of the Tribe, Julia Tauber McMahon, known as “The Energizer.” With the sleaze coming in all directions, is the takedown of the Clintons at hand; and if so, why and by whom? Is somebody else is in the wings to replace Hillary? Does the Epstein slime blob end up slurping Trump?

The pedophile scandals among the U.K.’s elite and officialdom are now well know even among the snoozers and comatose. But the snoozers can’t connect the dots that infestations of pedophiles and perverts in government is by design. A number of U.K. police investigators have been openly murdered over the years for stumbling onto high-level pedophiles.

As I have often mentioned on these pages previously, I do believe pedophiles and various other perverts are actively recruited into positions of power so that they can be compromised and controlled by the criminal cabal. For more background on this general topic, see “Belgium’s Dutoux Pedophile and Child Rape Case: A Road Map for Deep-State Criminality,” “Crime Syndicate Sexual Entrapment Operations” and “Wikispooks: Covert Blackmail Ops.”

In exploring sex offender Epstein’s background story, what’s particularly interesting is how out of the blue this former math teacher was given important positions in the organization of Jewish cabalist multi-billionaire Ace Greenberg during the 1970s and ’80s. As you may recall, the Greenberg syndicate included Bear Stearns, the firm that nearly brought down the world economy. Greenberg was the plutocrat who took down Elliott Spitzer by way of a scandal. As the U.K.’s Independent reports:

Among [Epstein’s] pupils was the son of Bear Stearns chairman Ace Greenberg. In 1976, after a few years teaching the children of the wealthy, he accepted a job offer from Mr. Greenberg that allowed him to oversee their money.

Four years later, he was made a partner, but by 1982 he had left to set up his own boutique investment company, J. Epstein and Co. He reportedly only accepted clients prepared to invest a minimum of $1 billion, though many profiles of Epstein admit a lack of hard, verifiable facts about his business have added to the air of mystery.”

Epstein was not just a run-of-the-mill sex offender but someone with friends in high places that he liked to entertain in a certain manner and who shared his proclivities.

Also notable and named in a lawsuit involving Epstein is the well-known Zionist Israeli Hasbara mouthpiece and Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz, who represented Epstein in his 2007 sex-offender case.

The claim from Jane Doe No. 3 (who joined three others) alleges that Dershowitz himself participated in sex acts with underage girls. As Epstein’s legal representation, Dershowitz then arranged a secret non-prosecution agreement (NPA) with the federal government in the cases of JD No. 1 and No. 2. According to the complaint, Dershowitz managed to influence immunity from prosecution for all co-conspirators, including himself. Prince Andrew also attempted to influence the U.S. judicial process in the matter through lobbyist ties. Epstein served 13 months under State charges.

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 10:04:50 PM | 45

@40 Chicago seems plausible in the "stolen nukes going off" scenario because it's controlled by that zionist mobster Rahm Emanuel, and hosts a neolibcon command and control center.

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 10:10:17 PM | 46

@ ProPeace 44

Putin did It. with a bowl of popcorn and using one finger.
More Hacking – And is said to be of “Great Concern”

Reuters Exclusive:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-democrats-exclusive-idUSKCN1082Y7?il=0

FBI investigates hacking of Democratic congressional group – sources

[.] Jim Manley, a Democratic strategist who once worked for Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, said the possibility of the DCCC being hacked was cause for great concern.
“Until proven otherwise, I would suggest that everyone involved with the campaign committee operate under the assumption Russians have access to everything in their computer systems,” Manley said.


[. ] The disclosure of the DCCC breach is likely to further stoke concerns among Democratic Party operatives, many of whom have acknowledged they fear further dumps of hacked files that could harm their candidates. WikiLeaks has said it has more material related to the U.S. election that it intends to release.[.]


= = = =

"They fear" Wikileaks intends to release the big one?

Posted by: likklemore | Jul 28, 2016 10:17:16 PM | 47

Great George Carlin probably did not know many actual names of the "big owners" when he wrote


...The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice … you don’t.

You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own, and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear.

They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying … lobbying, to get what they want … Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want … they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking...

Blackstone is one of them, others being Fidelity, PIMCO, StateStreet...

Hillary Clinton Talks Tough on Shadow Banking, But Blackstone Is Celebrating at the DNC


Blackstone, the giant Wall Street private equity firm, will hold an invitation-only reception before the final night of the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. The event, at the swanky Barnes Foundation art museum, includes the usual perks for attendees: free food, drink, and complimentary shuttle buses to the final night of the convention.

What’s unusual is that the host is precisely the kind of “shadow banker” that Hillary Clinton has singled out as needing more regulation in her rhetoric about getting tough on Wall Street.

But Blackstone President and Chief Operating Officer Hamilton “Tony” James doesn’t seem the least bit intimidated...

... The head-scratcher here is that James runs a private equity firm, exactly the kind of “shadow bank” that Clinton has deridedas a scourge to the financial system. Shadow banks are financial institutions that do bank-like activities (such as lending or investing for clients) but aren’t chartered as banks, existing outside of the traditional regulatory perimeter.

Clinton argued during the primaries with Bernie Sanders that they were more dangerous than the big banks, because of the lack of scrutiny on their risk-taking. That was the linchpin of her argument that Sanders’s plan was too myopic, and thather plan, which sought to crack down on shadow banking and deny it sources of funds, was more comprehensive.

James has not only actively engaged in defending the whole concept of shadow banking, he created the original private equity trade group, formerly known as the Private Equity Council. The group later quietly changed its name to the more innocuous-sounding American Investment Council.

In 2014, James penned a Wall Street Journal op-ed where he called shadow banking an “Orwellian term that can undermine critical thought.” It was the regulated entities, not shadow banks, that were “the source of almost all the systemic risk in the financial crisis,” he wrote. James explicitly sought to steer policymakers away from “regulations that undermine the many thousands of companies and jobs that need market-based financing to survive and grow.”

That term, “market-based financing,” is a Tony James original. He prefers it because it removes the more sinister connotations associated with the shadows. “Private equity sounds bad, but shadow banking is worse,” he told NPR.

Blackstone operates in leveraged buyouts, asset management, and real estate transactions. It is the largest real estate private equity firm in the world, holding over $103 billion in assets. After the housing bubble collapsed, Blackstone bought 43,000 single-family homes over a two-year period, at one point buying more than $100 million worth of homes per week. They converted most of these into rentals, becoming one of the largest landlords in the world.

Renters have sued Blackstone’s real estate unit, Invitation Homes, for renting out homes in shoddy condition. They’ve also been accused of jacking up rents to satisfy investors, charging as high as 180 percent of the market rent value. Nevertheless, Blackstone plans to spin off Invitation Homes with an initial public offering next year.

James’s company also benefits from taking business lines from regulated banks, such as one of the trading businesses of global firm Credit Suisse. Blackstone then runs that company without government interference; assets in the Credit Suisse group have doubled since 2013.

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 10:37:33 PM | 48

@likklemore

So Clapper did not call it, but Manley has already "suggestion" blaming Russia... LOL

The perfidy of Manly is that he does not say how to _prevent_ possible breaches, but creates perception of "Russians having access to everything" instead.

So he does not really care about solving the problem, but about maintaining the notion that the problem magically persist.

Obviously to use that notion/perception later for some sinister goals.

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 10:55:20 PM | 49

This is just agitprop disinformation. Since the 'hanging chad' soft coup, all US voting machines have backdoors to allow thevotes to be flipped, and since the Patriot Act, an Israeli subcontractor and AT&T have had an NSA contract to 'hack' all US cell phone and internet traffic, but now there is no need...GOOG and FB have apps on your tablet, your phone, and your sports band that record and database all your thoughts and actions.

If you following computing, significant breakthroughs have been made in database manipulation, to where terabytes of information can now be ground down to streaming focus group metrics on the entire herd of so-called Little People. They can literally 'read your mind'.

'Russia' is just a Zionist mind-meld 'shiney object' whatever cognitive dissociation memes they need to blunt-force eye-socket rape we and our children have to endure ... FOREVER

Posted by: Cho Nyawinh | Jul 29, 2016 12:14:16 AM | 50

48

Donald Trump, speaking to his casino money-laundered 'investors', those who seems to be 'losing' massive amounts of money at his casinos, said, "Some people call Blackstone a corrupt elite ... I call you my base." Haww,haww,haww.

Posted by: Cho Nyawinh | Jul 29, 2016 12:22:34 AM | 51

Nowhere on the intertubes that I frequent are stories about implications of the CONTENT of the DNC emails. The only angle of the story that is allowed to be covered in excruciating detail is who done it. Why is that and is anyone but me noticing?

And in other news Reuters reports that Bezos just passed Buffett as the third richest person according to Forbes. Let me explain how misleading I believe this piece of information is. Forbes was not yet reporting the richest person when global plutocratic families were creating and evolving trusts that shielded them from reporting personal wealth but maintained and exercised all the power/control of the holdings.

Even a Fortune 500 of the world's biggest trust funds, if global trust funds were ever allowed to be "reported on", may only reveal a smidgen of the interlocking ownership of our world by the global plutocratic families. And I believe that the holdings of these families dwarfs the richest people.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29, 2016 12:53:22 AM | 52

And to further make my point about the emails there is this quote from a Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov:

"As regards these (email) batches, that is not our headache. We never poke our noses into others' affairs and we really don't like it when people try to poke their nose into ours," he said. "The Americans needs to get to the bottom of what these emails are themselves and find out what it's all about."

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29, 2016 1:01:50 AM | 53

And DUH! the attribution for that last quote....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-28/russia-us-sort-out-your-own-hacking-scandal-it-not-our-headache

sigh....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29, 2016 1:18:12 AM | 54

7

The defeat of OWS was so much more than being 'overweight'. Remember, as CNW has pointed out above, the NSA still has an Israeli subconsultant on hire together with AT&T to monitor all US cell phone and internet communications, also both GOOG and FB provide real time data metrics for every move that OWS made, or thought that they made, or ever hoped they could make.

The OWS movement was co-opted by a 'controlled dissent' action, the same as the Sanders Movement, probably NSA, but could have as easily been Mossad on contract to ZBig Banks, once the targeted-data-pipeline was established. Then they simply overwhelmed any legitimate OWS organization in the media, hacked their email database, and sent all of OWS's Children merrily off to Wall Street, where they were pissed- and shit on from the laughing financial icahns above them, then beaten down by the Bloombergian Gestapo, who had no fear about Senior OWS's retribution, because the Seniors were busy being redirected to merrily march off to WADC, where the Congress could not give one slight shit about a bunch of fey gray-hair picketers, when:

Had OWS Seniors marched on NYC, the financial world would've come to a stop.
Had OWS Children marched on WADC, Mil.Gov.Fed would have come to a stop.

OWS was simply co-opted and controlled-dissented by people much smarter and more ruthless. And that's why the NSA and Mossad hire people who are a hell of a lot smarter and more ruthless than us. These mercs would slit our childrens' throats if there was a Fiverr in it for them.

Our resistance model has to be patterned after Tor, flash mobs and Julian Assange's, not posting in public, never post from GOOG or FB where they also have your cell phone number, therefore your GPS location, and a live camera and microphone, whether you think it's on or off, always post anonymously from a library using a thumb drive, then hard-wipe the thumb drive...otherwise resistance is futile, we are all co-opted all the time, and your PID-GPS targets you for The Chosens' death camps, once TPP is signed. (All of SEAsia is booming in preparation for the Great Sucking Sound II.)

The sad fact is, The Chosen don't need us anymore. They hold $20T worth of credit-debt over our heads, and they rule the world.

"We won, you lost. It's just business, get over it. Now get off our land!"

Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Jul 29, 2016 2:43:26 AM | 55

The toxicity of this (2016) election has only been equalled by the election of 1860. Republicans and Democrats were involved then also though the rôles have substantially changed, the results are yet to be seen. What will 156 years of experience bring?

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 29, 2016 3:10:37 AM | 56

Look everybody, over there.. The Russians are everywhere!!!!

Gotta hand it to the msm, though. They've managed to turn this Democrats match fixing to "It must be the Russians".. As always, the joke's on us :)

Posted by: Zico | Jul 29, 2016 4:08:12 AM | 57

It is worth to mention that Bruce Schneier is part of the "Tor Project" board of directors since July 2016.

Posted by: tod | Jul 29, 2016 4:34:07 AM | 58

The DNC was "hacked "by some of Killary's Israeli chums/clients...Lets look at the proffered "evidence" for a Russian Hack..The hackers "seem to have been following a schedule of "Russian" holdiays..Half (or more) of the people in Israel follow that same sschedule of holdiays..There are "clues" 'suggesting connections" with known Russian hacker groups..right..again, any Russian hacker group "known" this well and this long, is not an active hacker group any more..except when Israelis, or whoever, are gaslighting them....The rest of the evidence, where any one has even bothered to offer it, is just as weak, or even weaker.

Posted by: tSinilats | Jul 29, 2016 5:59:56 AM | 59

It will be a landslide.
So, the outcome can't be manipulated.

Or, who will vote for Killary?

Posted by: From The Hague | Jul 29, 2016 7:00:43 AM | 60

MR @ 35

A small quibble, but words matter - what is going on is not Voter Fraud, it's Election Fraud.

Posted by: Enrico Malatesta | Jul 29, 2016 7:22:40 AM | 61

psychohistorian @52.

"Nowhere on the intertubes that I frequent are stories about implications of the CONTENT of the DNC emails. The only angle of the story that is allowed to be covered in excruciating detail is who done it."

That is the whole point of the 'Putin did it' exercise. It is to distract the people from the content. Contrast with the Panama Papers release where the target, Putin, was immediately targetted inidrectly in carefully selected releases. There was very little interest in who was behind the hack. The info was publicly released via a US-government funded entity.

Posted by: Yonatan | Jul 29, 2016 7:46:47 AM | 62

psychohistorian @52.

It should also be seen in context of the earlier public declaration that such hacking would constitute an act of war. Trump has played into USG hands creating a 'reality' that 'Putin did it' - after saying that "Russia should release the emails, if it has them". Was this done wittingly or unwittingly?

Posted by: Yonatan | Jul 29, 2016 7:51:29 AM | 63

ian @ 20: The problem with the 'Trump as Manchurian Candidate' narrative is that most people (even Democrats) deep down, probably don't really believe it.

I agree! .. hogwash. Trump is the Donald and not more.

Yet, after thinking about ian’s post, there is an oblique argument to be made: that this election is in fact IS all about Putin. Not Putin as Vladimir, but Putin as a stand-in for Russia. The central issue, the ginormous elephant in the room that is not being discussed is foreign policy - it only shows up in some remarks and many are oblivious to it.

camp 1) Killary and escalation - the continuation of Bush-Obama foreign policy on speed + steroids, which involves destroying places and going for one ‘enemy’ after another and flailing about (e.g. Iraq) — now aimed at the higher-stake ones (e.g. weakening Europe, dividing it from Russia, and attacking Russia with all means at hand.) The backers are neo-cons, neo-libs, the MIC, Wall Street (gingerly), and others, long list, some/many are criminal enterprises. Going on strong is the meme.

2) Trump, with a nationalistic bent (partly calculated and not the most important) shows at the same time an isolationist stance (as opposed to conquering position) e.g. walls, anti-globalization on trade (ostensibly), America first of a certain flavor, and going so far! as to question the existence of NATO and to have a neutral or positive attitude towards the latest green-clawed fire-breathing devil. Reversing decline is the meme.

Arguably, foreign policy in terms of life/death of its citizens is the most crucial point, but it is sub rosa. That is partly why all the talk/analysis in terms of ethnicity-race-religious identities / values in this election (black / brown voters, abortion..), class (economic), tribal political belonging, has become utterly confused, as these archaic divisions become meaningless, while upheld in political discourse (with endless switcheroos) by all, to confuse and gather votes here ’n there. The US public is left adrift with two despised candidates, who do or might represent two very different paths forward if one can even contemplate ‘the forward’ at present.

ProPeace, 40, that is scary indeed.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 29, 2016 8:02:47 AM | 64

@64 Noirette

People hoped 8 years ago that Obama was camp 2.
But he was a traitor.

Posted by: From The Hague | Jul 29, 2016 8:20:46 AM | 65

Noirette 64

Your summary is excellent. Reading it, the choice between the two (excluding 3rd choices) is clear. There exists a chance for peace or the guarantee of perpetual war.

Posted by: fast freddy | Jul 29, 2016 8:24:31 AM | 66

Article on Gen. Breedlove

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/breedlove-network-sought-weapons-deliveries-for-ukraine-a-1104837.html

Defense contractors, think tanks, and Breedlove feared Congress would cut U.S. troop levels in Europe.

Posted by: Les | Jul 29, 2016 8:32:26 AM | 67

@64 noirette, 'two despised candidates, who do or might represent two very different paths forward if one can even contemplate ‘the forward’ at present.'

Yeah. Absolutely. My italics on the might. Hillary has a record. She can lie, but not to me. Trump has ... a mouth. When he says reasonable things - given Hillary - people are desperate to believe him. I can't.

I don't think we can, or should. Trump seems far more likely to be another Obama than not. I think we have wasted far too many of these quadrennial exercises and that the time to do something different is now. Look what happened in Libya. That could happen in Russia ... and a lot more people than a US Ambassador will die. The Europeans are mad not to abrogate the US at this point. The Americans are beginning to tell themselves another 'real' war will solve their problems ... look at the DNC convention ... and it'll be OK because it will be another war 'over there'. It won't be over there, it'll be right here no matter where that is.

Concerted action by our atomized selves is the only option left open to us. Let us Americans envision a different future and simply effect it. No to Clinton, not to Trump. Let's emulate a higher life form. We can make it we try.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 29, 2016 9:27:18 AM | 68

Bruce Schneier used to charge the Chinese in every hacking incident, I guess there is now a "pivot" in the propaganda world.

It is obvious that our elections are hacked: Florida in 2000, Ohio 2004, and now Brooklyn, Nevada, Arizona, California and other locations this year. They were hacked by our own crooks who would never allow Rooskies to muscle in on the action. Few polling stations in crowded districts, removing names from voter lists, private companies contracted to "count", voter suppression ID laws, jailing of voting populations, gerrymandering, etc. The Rooskies can only bring a rubber chicken to a gun fight.

Posted by: Joe Stalin | Jul 29, 2016 9:52:09 AM | 69

I keep dreaming of a "dream" (or a "nightmare") scenario in which a) Trump wins on the election night, just, maybe by 10-20 electoral votes; and b) on the day the Electoral College actually meets, 10-20 electors from "Trump" states, quote, "vote their conscience", end quote, and Hillary becomes president. Which, legally, they can do - remember the electors aren't formally bound by anything other than "tradition" (read: what their local party officials would do to them were they to change their vote).

I know, I know, slim chance. But it would be a thing of beauty to behold were it to actually happen. For those of us who revel in chaos and anarchy, of course, the types who wished for a Sarah Palin presidency just for the sheer amount of comedy material involved; the rest of the population might well differ. In any event, the "Russian voting machine fraud" story would fit in very well with this particular sequence of events - the electors "voting their conscience" could then be portrayed as patriotic anti-communists (or whatever), for example.

Posted by: Angry Panda | Jul 29, 2016 10:17:14 AM | 70

For those 10-20 electors to vote for Hillary would be regarded as a betrayal of the system and make her an illegitimate, crippled president.

What those 10-20 electors could do instead is to vote for some third candidate. Say, Gary Johnson or John Kasich. When no candidate wins a majority of electors, the election is thrown into the House of Representatives, in which each state's delegation has one vote and the vote must be among the three candidates who got the greatest number of electoral votes.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 29, 2016 10:25:26 AM | 71

Get a life!

Then read: http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/

He makes a good point: " From inception, America proved itself the cruelest, most ruthless nation in world history, harming more people over a longer duration than any other. Tens of millions of corpses attest to its barbarity."

"If elected, Hillary risks committing greater high crimes of state than her predecessors, including possible nuclear war - why it’s crucial to defeat her in November. Humanity’s fate hangs in the balance."

All the rest is just rhetoric ... and the primary reason AmeriKKKans have Clinton as President in the first place. AmeriKKKans know that their best interests, even when jobless, are with continued murder, rape and theft!

Proof?

You want proof? Each of you AmeriKKKans who post to this site. Not that other are blameless, they just don't vote.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 29, 2016 10:35:56 AM | 72

1) Hitlary looses to Trump
2) Russia is blamed with fabricated evidence for rigging the election
3) civil unrest in incited (Israeli snipers shooting civilians at random + police trained by the Israeli advisors brutalizes protesters)
4) hot spots in conflict zones (Turkey, Ukraine, Pribaltica) are set on fire - blamed on Russia (Phillipines blamed on China)
5) nukes going off in Chicago
6) NATO considers "Russian cyber attack" as an act of war and responds


In order to avoid this at this point anybody who supports the Hell Bitch should be boycotted and ostracized, including all the celebrities (who obviously pay their dues for their dark, secret deals) not only that filth Sarah Silverman and alike, who lower themselves to such a sewer level, also companies, local politicians and so on...

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 28, 2016 9:17:30 PM | 40

I presume that the scenario is a work in progress. Nukes going off in Chicago? If those are actual nuclear weapons, we proceed to "nuclear winter", skipping point 6. So other fantasies are needed, e.g.

5. A throve of Hillary's bathroom selfies is dumped by Wikileaks. Russia blamed. Trump criticisms Mr. Clinton. "I treasure marriage and I firmly believe in sticking to expiration date." Feminist are all in rage, Trumpistas are elated. Bloody riots.

6. NATO unanimously votes for war to defend maiden privacy on both sides on the Atlantic.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 29, 2016 10:44:46 AM | 73

68;Trump a despised candidate?Only the Zionists and their mind melded scum say that.
Corporate MSM?No,its Zionist,every one of them.
The central issue of this campaign is American sovereignty.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 29, 2016 10:52:38 AM | 74

I have stated here and “everywhere” that automated elections are not really elections at all. While the USA buys more and more election computers, most of the rest of the (ostensibly democratic) world has tossed out election computers, and moved to using had counted paper ballots.

I have said many times: “We must abolish election machines, such as voting computers. If they make casting and tallying 10 times faster, they make organized cheating 10 times easier as well. Which can we truly afford?”

I read several computer programmer's blogs, and comments almost every day, and I am sure most of these professionals are aware of the fact that their machines can never be made safe for use in elections. Yet, they virtually never come out and say that. Job security trumps having democracy for nearly all of them. Most of these programmers are depressing examples of self-centeredness.

Posted by: blues | Jul 29, 2016 10:55:11 AM | 75

@58 "It is worth to mention that Bruce Schneier is part of the "Tor Project" board of directors since July 2016."

That's indeed worth mentioning since one of the TOR founders, Jacob Appelbaum, was ejected from the board in June by a phony sex scandal identical to the one of Julian Assange. There was also the recent departure in July of one of the major TOR contributors, Lucky Green, who didn't disclose a lot about his reasons ("I feel that I have no reasonable choice left within the bounds of ethics") http://thehackernews.com/2016/07/tor-anonymity-node.html . The departures of Jacob Appelbaum and Lucky Green and the welcoming of sellout Bruce Schneier who's opinions were always in line with US foreign policy spell doom and gloom for TOR's security reliability.

Posted by: nr23 | Jul 29, 2016 1:55:10 PM | 76

TYPO

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Posted by: Ronald | Jul 29, 2016 2:11:06 PM | 77

A lot of people outside the US are probably unaware of some very important features of federal elections here. Many of these people may assume that the US has a single presidential election, run by the federal government, as is the case in their own countries (Australia, for example). But in reality, there are 51 presidential elections, and only one of them (the one in the District of Columbia) is run by the federal government.

Each state has its own way of collecting and counting ballots, and its own laws about voter eligibility, absentee voting, ballot access for third parties, voting procedures, etc. Because the counties within each state actually run the polling places, these state election laws are mainly instructions for county election officials. So there are ample opportunities for election fraud at the county and state levels, but not at the federal level (except for mass media mind control).

In unusual situations, state election laws can be challenged in federal courts. In my home state of Tennessee, Republicans and Democrats many years ago passed a law that essentially makes it impossible for third parties to appear on the ballot. And for all those many years, the Tennessee Green Party has routinely gone to federal court, claiming that the state law unreasonably restricts Tennesseans' voting rights, and the court routinely rules in their favor. Thus my ability to vote for Jill Stein exists only because a federal court has intervened in Tennessee's election system. But judicial intervention like this is essentially the only power the federal government can exercise over voting.

Posted by: PhilK | Jul 29, 2016 2:11:16 PM | 78

Only 3041 saw this?
The Trump Train - Join The #TrumpTrain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esx6ZQQeiBo

Posted by: From The Hague | Jul 29, 2016 3:04:14 PM | 79

I can't for the life of me understand why so many hawks in the State Dept and elsewhere are sooooo afraid of Putin.

They still mad he nationalized oil companies?

Posted by: shadyl | Jul 29, 2016 3:25:23 PM | 80

Just suppose the emails of the DNC were released by the Clinton Machine, what a creative tactic, and certainly there is no reason to doubt that...a great media firestorm ensues, DWS had to fall on her sword but quickly gets hoisted on the Clinton petard..as a campaign manager

Posted by: dorcus | Jul 29, 2016 4:22:50 PM | 81

72;What the hell are you here in America for,if you hate it so much?Masochism?
With all the myriad stupid actions of the 21st century,historical finger pointing about irrelevant acts,that have no bearing on modern crimes other than excuse for Zionist mimicry,leads one to think you are a divide and conquer agent.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 29, 2016 6:22:57 PM | 82

@78 PhilK, 'And for all those many years, the Tennessee Green Party has routinely gone to federal court, claiming that the state law unreasonably restricts Tennesseans' voting rights ...'

I think we the sovereign people need to exercise our own power over voting. There is no hope dealing from within 'the system'. We must become creative, discover areas of weakness through which we can gain power over it from the edges, and re-engineer it meet our requirements.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 29, 2016 6:25:36 PM | 83

@jfl | Jul 29, 2016 6:25:36 PM | 83

Agreed. And I like your proposed OEA.

Posted by: PhilK | Jul 29, 2016 7:36:24 PM | 84

It is possible that Schneier and Doctorow may not have an anti-Russia agenda but are using the Russia angle because then the U.S. press will report on the security problems with electronic voting. Russia should just tell the U.S. to switch to mechanical voting if they are worried. How is Russia responsible for our insecure voting?

Posted by: Edward | Jul 29, 2016 10:24:21 PM | 85

ProPeace,

Thanks for so much intelligent commentary this thread.

Your comment, "As I have often mentioned on these pages previously, I do believe pedophiles and various other perverts are actively recruited into positions of power so that they can be compromised and controlled by the criminal cabal." I don't think that the pedophiles are recruited into power so that they can be controlled by fear of disclosure. In fact nothing happens to them when they're found out: the records are "lost", evidnce is "insufficient", etc. Rather, the explanation I think is that the secret societies and higher levels of Masonry all use sexual deviancy as a means of bonding their initiates into a criminal cabal outside of the norms of society. There is a philosophical embracing of the destruction of innocence just as there is a glorification of the chaos produced by war.

The evil that we face is an alternate philosophical position which rejects all the moral tenets of the world's 7 great religions. The goal is the rule of a tiny sect which imagines itself a godhead over humanity. Their main tools against us are informational and moral. Many of the novels of the 20s, the 30s and especially the late 19th century reveal by contrast how greatly they've degraded the very idea of living one's life informed by a moral ideal. The examined life has been swept away, replaced by the exclusively material and physical. Did you know that one of the early objectives was to control the appointment of divinity school teachers? The Rockefellers personally championed Unitarianism, which helped to trivialize religion. Without religion or an organized system of moral limits and the complete absence of the idealization of the moral and the possession of moral purpose, that great generational sink of morality once so vibrant among the American people has long-since sprung a leak now become a torrent. One looks in vain for that which would nourish the soul of the very young. The moral ideal has vanished from our culture. How could it not? The Rockefellers alone control over 2,000 domestic NGOs, foundations and think tanks. Even the culturally trivial is now being replaced by the overtly destructive. The human eclipsed by the bestial.

Enough people, armed simply with knowledge and the resolution to look for the truth wherever it leads, can still stop it.

Posted by: Penelope | Jul 29, 2016 11:49:31 PM | 86

rg the lg, You confuse the whole with the part. You are like the cracker racist who, seeing one black burglar, heaps calumny on the whole race. In the name of justice you have dedicated yourself to destruction-- and become the ally of the bankers and other mobsters who prey upon the world and all its people.

Posted by: Penelope | Jul 30, 2016 12:00:27 AM | 87

Hillary to be president by hook or crook.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-29/no-id-no-problem-feds-overrule-north-carolina-voting-rules-discriminatory

Election preparation underway, they are taking a page from the playbook used in Malaysia.

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jul 30, 2016 12:06:16 AM | 88

Debating the merits of Trump or Hillary misses the point.
The real issue is what will be done to make sure Hillary becomes President.

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jul 30, 2016 12:08:44 AM | 89

@84 PhilK

Anything I got wrong? Anything I missed? There's an address you can reach me at the page if you have suggestions.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 30, 2016 1:37:48 AM | 90

@86 Thank you, Penelope. You make very good points, as always. :-)

But let me repeat my conclusion - the world is evil because people are weak.

The 0.1% couldn't have done so much damage to the world if millions supposedly "good people" hadn't fallen into their traps so easily...

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 30, 2016 2:57:04 AM | 91

@72 Many good USians have been murdered (Phill Marshall, sen. Paul Wellstone, JFK junior - competing with Hitlary for the Senate seat), silenced, imprisoned, intimidated, disenfranchised for standing up to the criminal elite.

They deserve our utmost respect.

Do not use collective responsibility, Bolshevik style.

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 30, 2016 3:05:11 AM | 92

@78 Phill Thank you for sharing this.

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 30, 2016 3:08:32 AM | 93

@76 nr23 Good info, thanks!

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 30, 2016 3:10:37 AM | 94

@75 blues

"If they make casting and tallying 10 times faster, they make organized cheating 10 times easier as well."

Well said!

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 30, 2016 3:14:29 AM | 95

I saw that briefly somewhere else, now never to be found on the CNN site, anywhere else but here:

WW3 News: North Korean Submarine Missing Amidst US-Sokor War Exercises/a>

Such stories are used for cover/excuse (creating false perceptions) for intelligence operations, in this case may be to "acknowledge" that some nukes could go missing, or the whole sub, to be later used in a nuclear false flag.

This is not unimportant.

BTW NK is of course not what it seems based on the lame-scream Matrix of lies. Definitely it is NOT a enemy of the ruling global criminal cabal centered around The City of London Crown Corporation "bent on destroying it because it's has a central bank independent from the Rothschildes".

Quite the opposite, it's their tool and puppet, serving the same purpose that AQ, IS/IL, Abu Nidal, ... have - to control populations through fear, to escalate conflicts and make money out of it.

Whenever there is nothing happening in the conflict zones you can always count on the "NK leadership" to make some moves/stunts that provide stories for the presstitutes and media whores to live off, the same with their masters in the MIC.

NK is a field for experiments on human beings, individuals, group, that are n longer possible since the fall of Nazism, Communism, Maoism, etc.

Also a constant threat against Russia and China.

Publicity stunts like with Dennis Rodman are staged to serve the global cabal's agenda.

There is nothing anti-imperialistic about the NK, just another colony like Saudia, Israel, Canada, Australia, Pakistan...

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 30, 2016 3:30:34 AM | 96

@PB 73 EXCLUSIVE: Nuclear Terrorism 101 – weapons so simple, cheap and clean everyone can own and use them | Veterans Today


...Fifth generation weapons introduced to the battlefield after 1990 no longer need the extra uranium surrounding the weapon’s core that basically acts as a neutron multiplier only and does not add to the final explosive yield. This greatly reduces the secondary effect of fallout and a critical mass is no longer needed to create a small nuclear explosion. So these newer small 5th generation nuclear weapons have a very limited radioactive fallout effect. Making them the weapon of choice for all modern armies or state sponsored terrorists etc.....

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 30, 2016 3:37:41 AM | 97

Russia hit by big malware attack
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160730/1043780821/fsb-cuber-attacks.html

Posted by: Reppz | Jul 30, 2016 8:01:35 AM | 98

@98 Reppz FYI: The 4th Media » Google Bans Israeli Babylon


Bab·y·lon [noun] : In the Book of Revelation, the name of a whore who rules over the kings of the earth and rides upon a seven-headed beast. “Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth.”—Revelations 17:5

Internet giant Yahoo! announced on November 10, 2013, that it won’t end its revenue sharing contract with Israeli Babylon, despite Google terminating its similar contract on November 30.

Google provided above 40% of Babylon’s revenues during the second quarter of 2013; Yahoo! provided over 30%, which amounts to almost $20 million...

Babylon is the largest company in what is mockingly known as the Israeli Download Valley,* or in a more serious term the field of directing users. Israel has conquered several internet and information-technology niche markets. This is true to the extent that most American citizens are unwillingly sharing their secrets with the State of Israel.

I reviewed Babylon a few months ago in Microsoft Strikes Israeli Software after the American giant limited the activity of Babylon and similar companies on its browsers. Google decision was the result of pressure coming from users of its browser Chrome that correctly understood they were being robbed by Babylon.

“But, they are just nice kids translating stuff!”

On paper, Babylon looks like an inoffensive provider of online dictionaries. In the screenshot reproduced below, one can see the home page featured in many Bolivian internet kiosks. It is a Babylon search page, designed to look like a Google search page; note the odd code appearing in its address line (a long string of nonsense numbers and letters serving as directives to the company’s server, in contrast look at the address of this page), that’s the first sign something is wrong.

The second sign appears while using it; the computer reacts slowly since it is busy sending data to its Babylonian masters. This happens despite Bolivians being unable to spend money on the web; Bolivian money is not a free floating currency and thus it is banned by the international financial system. This search page is defined as a default in the user’s browser while installing Babylon’s dictionary.

Since the page looks like Google’s, few users realize that their home page has been replaced, or that they had clicked on a button asking for this change while installing the dictionary. “Same, same” they say to themselves and begin telling Babylon everything about themselves. The following week, they buy a book named “French Cooking;” a few days later—so that they won’t suspect the link between the events—they get a pamphlet advertising a French restaurant near their home. In thanks for the blunt violation of privacy, the Babylonian masters in Israel get a few silver coins. [...]

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 30, 2016 9:53:10 AM | 99


[...] *Mocking Silicon Valley, other players in the Israeli Download Valley are Waze, Perion, the manager of the IncrediMail, Smilebox and SweetIM brands, VisualBee, Montiera, Fried Cookie Software, WebPick, Linkury, Bundlore, iBario and KeyDownload. These are Israel’s Weapons of Mass Distraction.

Another niche market is far more dangerous. An offshoot of Golden Pages, the Israeli business phone directory company, Amdocs develops, implements and manages software and services for business support systems, including billing, customer relationship management, and for operations support systems. If your phone company is AT&T, BT Group, Sprint, T-Mobile, Vodafone, Bell Canada, Telus, Rogers Communications, Telekom Austria, Cellcom, Comcast, DirecTV, Elisa Oyj, TeliaSonera or O2-Ireland, then Israel has access to much of your communications and bills, including credit cards numbers.

Also important in this context is Check Point, a provider of software and combined hardware and software products for IT security, including network security, endpoint security, data security and security management. In other words, the supermarket near your home probably uses products from this giant to secure its transactions. Israel has access to all of them. This apparently innocent company got so rich that its CEO sits in a penthouse office atop Tel Aviv’s highest tower.

See Waze of Israel: Google Beats Facebook for a detailed description of how one of this companies operates as more than a spying device allowing to coordinate agents on the field.

Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 30, 2016 10:02:54 AM | 100

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