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The German sado-monetarists seek to destroy the EU!

Posted by: nmb | Jul 1, 2016 1:39:21 PM | 1

The American sado-neocons seek to destroy the World!

Thanks, nmb. I stole the sado- part. No actual link - I just like the clarity of purpose the prefix provides.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 1, 2016 2:06:10 PM | 2

"sado-neocons" - I like it!

Posted by: nmb | Jul 1, 2016 2:07:50 PM | 3

"The organizer of the Istanbul airport massacre is a well-known terrorist from Russia's North Caucasus region who served as a top soldier in the ISIS war ministry, a U.S. official said."

"Akhmed Chatayev is the man who directed the three suicide bombers in the attacks that killed 43 people Tuesday, said Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security."

source - http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/01/europe/turkey-istanbul-ataturk-airport-attack/

Amerikastan Main Stream Medias are reporting that the Istanbul terrorists are 'Russian.'

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 1, 2016 2:07:58 PM | 4

I enjoyed reading the obit for Simon Ramo, one of the founding fathers of the military-industrial complex. He was behind the development of the ICBM and the Atlas rocket and was a co-founder of aerospace giant TRW. He predicted, like Elton Musk is currently predicting, that unless we get a handle on it, tech will be our undoing:

At the forefront of so many scientific advances himself, Dr. Ramo was able to foresee with astonishing clarity many technological breakthroughs.

He predicted the advent of a pervasive 'electronic information network,'
push-button factories, **driverless cars** and living-room consoles where
people could instantaneously order and pay for every conceivable product.
He warned, though, that 'technology is moving faster than our ability to
assimilate it' and pushed for a closer linkage between scientific
developments and social betterment.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 1, 2016 2:15:08 PM | 5

Sado-NeoCons?

From the perspective of the non-West it is SADO Europa and it's descendant and defender the SADO US.

Not that it'll do a damned bit of good, but Andre Vltchek has an article "Brexit – Let the UK Screw Itself!" at CounterPunch today that actually explains why the system we claim to love is selfish and corrupt. Not that anyone in the west gives a pile of fetid dingo kidneys. SEE: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/01/brexit-let-the-uk-screw-itself/

Oh, and happy fourth of July ... go blow up some fire crackers while the west continues to blow up the 'filthy' other.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 1, 2016 2:16:22 PM | 6

"MOSCOW, December 11. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered Russian military to destroy any targets that threaten Russian Armed Forces in Syria.

“I order to act very tough. Any targets that threaten Russian forces or our infrastructure on the ground should be immediately destroyed,” Putin told a session of the Defense Ministry’s collegium."

"Pentagon warns Russia against arming its warplanes in Syria with air-to-air missiles

The president also warned against “those who will again try to organize any provocations against our servicemen.” “We have already taken additional measures to ensure security of Russian servicemen and air base. It was strengthened by new aviation groups and missile defense systems. Strike aircraft will now carry out operations under cover of fighter jets,” Putin said."

source - http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/01/putin-orders-to-destroy-any-targets-that-threaten-russian-military-in-syria/

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 1, 2016 2:34:29 PM | 7

Before Brexit I thought that alarms raised in some articles that Brexit can undermine NATO is nonsensical. However, it definitely destabilized English politics (I guess, one has to eschew "British" when we write about the future, and political parties in Northern Island and Scotland are different than in England). UKIP is not "isolationist" as far as I know, but the left of Labor is. Until recently, getting rid of nuclear weapons and refusing participation in "humanitarian interventions" etc. was not a huge issue in England except "some circles" that included most members of LP (Labor Party) but a minuscule number of members of PLP (Parliamentary Labor Party that has one member from Scotland). In other words, sane people were guarding the asylum.

However, in circumstances that I have yet to understand, the voting rules of LP were change to approximate American primaries. Most revolutionarily, the vote for the party leaders was left to party members, and to top it off, one can become one for the modest amount of 3 pound sterling. It was a smashing success, the party was flooded by new members and certain Corbyn, very much NATO sceptic, was elected for a leader. As long as he sat on a rear bench we was tolerated, but from the moment he became LP leader he was acclaim as a more dangerous person that Assad and Putin combined -- the latter at least had no plans to dismantle British nukes! He also failed to express admiration for TODiTME. Would such ideas truly dominate LP, then at some point UK would be ruled by an anti-NATO party. But what does it have to do with Brexit? I would never imagine that there is a connection.

But the connection was made. What some call "Blairite vermin", and what is actually a wider collection of folks, decided that Brexit is a good moment to get rid of the scourge that is Corbyn. After all, it would not do to start a major brouhaha on the account of "happy Thursday" or some such. But a calamity, and the results were such, calls for a purge, to rid the party of anti-remailers, tepid supporters of Remain, and disparagers of Israel (I kid you not, read today's NYT if you can). Basically, a calamity is an ipso facto proof of the anger of Heavens, and that can be appeased only with copious human sacrifices, heretics, witches etc. A generation ago LP was actually purged of leftists "infiltrators", got the support of the press lords and then it managed to rule for few cycles.

However, it is problematic if this will succeed again. First, apparently PLP cannot change party rules. Second, the body that decides what the rules mean is not exactly controlled by PLP. What PLP majority wants is to more or less expel Corbyn, deprive of the leader position and prevent from re-election. But Corbyn actually has a muscle behind him, unions and an organization called Momentum. Moreover, the same social dynamic that propelled Brexit will propel Corbynists. Exalting EU, NATO and Israel is not really terribly popular and the list of offenses that Corbyn committed may be detrimental to which hunters themselves. Already there are rumbles on "de-selection" (in USA it would be primary challenge, but in UK it is actually much easier to accomplish, at least in some places).

It could be that Blairites/Fabians know what they are doing and the British zeal for NATO and owned nukes will survive, but a drastic destabilization of politics raises the chance for a big change.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 1, 2016 2:34:57 PM | 8

Escalation ...

"On Monday, spokesman for the Russian Aerospace Forces Colonel Igor Klimov said Russia’s Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bombers (NATO reporting name: Fullback) had for the first time taken, in addition to bombs, short-and medium-range air-to-air missiles on combat mission in Syria. "The Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers today have for the first time taken on combat mission not only the OFAB-500 air bombs and KAB-500 guided bombs, but also short-and medium-range air-to-air missiles. The planes are equipped with missiles for their defence," Klimov said."

More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/840554

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 1, 2016 2:37:02 PM | 9

@ Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 1, 2016 2:34:57 PM | 8
The dynamics are fascinating (and hilarious at 6000 miles away) but I thought this was interesting:

""Expecting a leadership challenge, the membership wars are on, as both sides dash to recruit. An astounding 60,000 have joined in a week, bringing the total above 440,000, beyond its 1997 peak – extraordinary for a party on the verge of utter disintegration. Under the insane rules, £3 membership, suspended in normal times, starts again with a leadership contest. But ordinary membership is cheap as chips at £3.92 a month, and can be cancelled any time.""

guardian.

It was hoped Corbyn could revitalize **the party** among the actual working class and young ... seems to have done so to the Labor MP's horror and discomfort.
I was startled by an article yesterday in which, now that Johnson and Cameron are out of the picture, The Guardian seemed to think "avidity of support for Brexit" is a positive indicator ... so Home Secretary May is no longer the frontrunner having given only "tepid support" ... You'd think they'd been Brexit supporters all along ..

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jul 1, 2016 2:54:59 PM | 10

re 8

UKIP is not "isolationist" as far as I know, but the left of Labor is.
You have a sad failure of understanding of British politics. UKIP is openly "isolationist", joined by some on the Left. Isolationism is not defined by Left or Right. It is supported by people who have lived their lives majoritarily in white communities, and who fear the "other", but don't know it. Much like the supporters of Trump.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 1, 2016 2:58:21 PM | 11

@9 AL, 'The planes are equipped with missiles for their defence'

I guess that's due to Erdogan's 'apology' for shooting down the Russian plane, Putin's acceptance of the apology, and the re-opening of the terrorist killing fields in Turkey to Russian tourist victims? I saw the Turks had a 'demonstration' of their Russian 'welcome wagon' at the airport just the other day.

While Truman approaches the Syrian coast and Eisenhower lurks just off Naples.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 1, 2016 3:05:01 PM | 12

@8 pb @ lg 11

With all the quotes around the term it's hard to guess what folks mean when they say "isolationist" ... I took pb's reference to be to the US neo-con spin : an "isolationist" is someone who fails to support perpetual neo-con war and neo-con death, devastation, destruction, and deceit. But with pb's layered texts it's always a guess as to which floor you're on, and apparently meant to be kept that way.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 1, 2016 3:15:53 PM | 13

@10 suzy, 'An astounding 60,000 have joined in a week, bringing the total above 440,000, beyond its 1997 peak – extraordinary for a party on the verge of utter disintegration.'

Wouldn't it be sweet if "the people" - pace somebody, don't reach for your revolver - actually draped themselves in the skin of the Labour Party, picked up the post-Brexit pieces, and demonstrated that There Is An Alternative?

Posted by: jfl | Jul 1, 2016 3:25:36 PM | 14

@4 alberto.. here is my post @37 on the previous thread from yesterday..

OT - and in related news which will never see the light of day in the western msm

Wanted in Russia: EU court blocked suspected Istanbul attack mastermind from extradition in 2010 indeede.U

someone contact this bozo (Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security) to bring him up to speed.. maybe you?

@5 mike.. i think that is very true regarding getting a grip on technology. thanks for the post.

@8 piotr.. someone linked to a craig murray article - might have been denis - which discussed the link between the timing of the chilcot inquiry july 6th and having to get rid of corbyn in light of it.. craig murrays website has a lot of good info especially on the uk where i believe he is based..

@10 susan s.. craig murray also has a good article on the guardian some might enjoy reading..

Posted by: james | Jul 1, 2016 3:46:27 PM | 15

Why is it sane for people in Britain to want to retain nuclear weapons? What do they get out of it, aside from becoming a target for other people's nukes?

Posted by: lysias | Jul 1, 2016 3:59:18 PM | 16

The Brits are in deep crisis, perhaps to be followed by the US in November.

The major issues are around three:

1) Globalisation. Nobody can cope with the way that the economy is being made world-wide. They want to earn and spend locally. Not that that is possible any more.

2) Neo-liberalism. The problem of new electronic techniques is that it is possible to divert more of the product into the pockets of the rich. Much like oil producers.

The consumer has to have income, in order to consume. If he doesn't, he can't consume, and there is likely to be a revolt. It's all very nice cutting costs, but no costs means no buyers. Private enterprise leaders haven't understood this yet.

3) Refugees. As I've always said, make peace in Syria, you fools! The refugee problem will break Europe (suits the Neo-Cons), but will spread to the US. The US will draw up the bridges, but not without effect.

In the end it's globalisation, which no-one can prevent, and the need of everyone to have income, in order to live. It is this point which has not been addressed by cost-cutting businesses.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 1, 2016 3:59:49 PM | 17

More context on the 2012 DIA ISIS memo... CIA's Mike Morell wrote a whole Politico editorial about it trying to say it's unimportant and meaningless:

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/07/01/obama-and-the-dia-islamic-state-memo-what-trump-gets-right/

Posted by: Brad | Jul 1, 2016 4:09:31 PM | 18

re 13

With all the quotes around the term it's hard to guess what folks mean when they say "isolationist"
I would think it means basically returning to the world you thought you knew before, when you weren't bothered by foreigners, or by non-whites (never happened, of course). Trumpism. Draw up the bridges. Impossible, of course, but folks are not going to believe that in the near future.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 1, 2016 4:18:19 PM | 19

re 16

Why is it sane for people in Britain to want to retain nuclear weapons?
It isn't, but you know, the penis is the most important factor.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 1, 2016 4:31:04 PM | 20

@ Laguerre | Jul 1, 2016 2:58:21 PM | 11

It [UKIP] is supported by people who have lived their lives majoritarily in white communities, and who fear the "other", but don't know it. Much like the supporters of Trump.

Please note when you point out such broad-brush smears with your index finger, observe the direction of the three digits below it. I held you in much higher regard than a statement like that.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 1, 2016 4:40:57 PM | 21

Posted by: jfl | Jul 1, 2016 3:25:36 PM | 14

They call it entryism

As far as I know the history of the labour party, they were founded by British Unions. So in the end I suspect it will be the leadership of the unions who decide.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 1, 2016 4:52:09 PM | 22

There are a lot of folks who don't realize that they have been utterly indoctrinated by neoliberal memes ... "regulating immigation" (which is extant in all countries) becomes "racist" or "isolationist" or "xenophobic" (which isn't exactly the same thing but sounds much much worse).
The amount of "definition" challenging going on is exhausting. Liberal/progressive/left -- endless. Pre-surrender to corporate dominance "free trade" versus "free trade" under neoliberal policies versus "free trade" as in BINDING sovereignty undermining "free trade agreements" ... sorry for the rant ... it's been a tiring morning.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jul 1, 2016 4:54:48 PM | 23

See Video: Bernie, Please Meet with Jill Stein (See Petition) also I talk about another petition, the YouTube petition in response to YouTube's unfair policy change. AND BTW, this video is not monetized RIGHT NOW (while uploaded and still as of 11PM EST ) because YouTube treats my channel unfairly. I talk about that situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN1T0p576gY

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jul 1, 2016 4:59:25 PM | 24

@17 lg, 'In the end it's globalisation, which no-one can prevent, and the need of everyone to have income, in order to live. It is this point which has not been addressed by cost-cutting businesses.'

There's globalisation ... the 'shrinking earth', increased global communications, global trade ... and then there's Globalization ... the layer of global financialization and corporate control above nation states, above the EU, above the UN, now manifest as the push for 'US' hegemony, only because the global corporations feel most secure in the US.

That second Globalization must be stopped and rolled back - TIAA - if we are to have a chance at hanging on to life as we know it on planet earth. It is this point which has been addressed by Brexit, which I hope will now find its voice and be more completely articulated.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 1, 2016 5:10:41 PM | 25

@22 someone

We'll see what happens.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 1, 2016 5:16:22 PM | 26

re 21

Please note when you point out such broad-brush smears with your index finger, observe the direction of the three digits below it.
I take it that you are offended by the American reference. I pretend no knowledge of the States, but it seems to me very similar to the motivations of the Brits. A perfect storm seems to me in waiting. Two disgusting candidates will finish with an open result.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 1, 2016 5:32:36 PM | 27

re 25

That second Globalization must be stopped and rolled back
I wish you the best of luck with that. Globalisation is not going to be rolled back. What business leaders have to understand is that cutting people means nobody to buy their products. The effect may be indirect, as the products are made in China, and the fired people may have unemployment pay. But the result will be the same in the end. Popular revolt, perhaps expressed as vote for Trump, or for Brexit.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 1, 2016 5:53:24 PM | 28

ALberto #4. That was what royally pixxed me off. They linked the terrorists to Russia in peoples' minds via the headlines. But they're really Chechen.

Laguerre. You're right although people have been predicting an economic storm for the US since before 2008. Instead we've been slowly bled the whole time.

Posted by: Curtis | Jul 1, 2016 5:53:36 PM | 29

I found this article on Brexit, its reasons and aftermath useful, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45013.htm

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1, 2016 6:10:50 PM | 30

Turns out both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are tied up with billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein: Why the Donald Trump child rape lawsuit is credible and can’t be dismissed.

They don't allow anyone to advance to a position of power that they don't have control over. That's probably why they want to dismiss Corbyn.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 1, 2016 6:24:21 PM | 31

Read on Billmon’s twitter feed:

Mossad Director Yossi Cohen visited Moscow today. Met Putin’s national security adviser and the SVR director

Wonder if there’s a connection between that and Erdogan repairing relations with both Israel and Russia.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 1, 2016 6:50:18 PM | 32

Back on OT 2016-20 I discussed some of the activities of the Crimean Tatars, particularly their militia and the "blockade" of Crimea, see my nr. 128.

They seem to accept the failure of their "blockade." Russia Insider posted a brief item from Yurasumy, a well know Russian blogger, on their new operation -- demanding compensation from Kiev.

The organizer and supervisor of the Crimea blockade, Lenur Islyamov claims the Ukrainian authorities should pay compensation to the Crimean Tatars....

Even those who initiated the provocations... confirm that Islyamov makes no sense.... [being] completely detached from reality... [while heading] a gang of scary yet ridiculous clowns.

It turned out that all this activity was simply a way for some people, including Islyamov, to leech off another feeder. First he explained his requests for money as a struggle against ‘Russian occupation in the Crimea’. But since it didn’t work, and Islyamov is unlikely to get back to Crimea in the immediate future, he’s trying to get money out of the junta.

The junta is facing a dilemma: if they give in, Lenur will continue his media pestering, claiming that Ukraine betrayed the Crimean Tatars. If they give money only to him, others will chime in. But they don’t have money for everyone…

In the end, they’ll have to do something.

Yurasumy also notes that the Tatars Celebicihan has debuted its flag. Yurasumy suggests a similarity with the ISIS flag, but I thought that it was marginal.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 1, 2016 7:12:51 PM | 33

A SIMPLE SOLUTION

Simple lack of clean water and sanitation causes diarrhoea illness that occurs world-wide and is the most common cause of death and malnutrition, killing 2,200,000 people globally each year, ...mostly children. So where is the massive foreign aid for clean water projects?

The United States spends nearly $1,000,000,000,000 every year to project its economic and political power overseas, through 100's of foreign military bases and FOBs. Besides their 'collateral damage' murder of 1,000,000's of innocent civilians through hegemonic cartel wars over lands and resources that the US hopes to seize, these US bases provide nothing to their hosts, besides tax-monies pipelined to the local tin-pot junta, (or in Karzai's case, $8.5B in humanitarian aid money diverted into his private Bank of Kabul, by HRH Hillary, more than all the aid money spend worldwide in those years,)

And we also know, thanks to Wikileaks and watchdogs, that much of both state- and private-aid funds are, as our special ambassador to Afghanistan put it, "90% is pipelined right back to WADC-NOVA".

"Hey, we got bills to pay too!" Clinton Foundation

A SYSTEMIC METASTASIS

There are several US bases (ex. Diego Garcia, Kwajalein) where the indigenous population was herded at gun point off their ancestral lands, then dumped in squalor, to die of dysentary, cholera and self-hanging, ... much like the original African slaves brought to Cuba by the Spanish conquistadors, who chose self-hanging or jumping into the boiling sugar vats rather than slavery ... except this is The New American Century, and We're All Exceptional Now.

Developing countries around the globe have begun to mimic the US hegemonic model, ...rather than providing clean water, sanitation and agricultural support resources in a 'bubble-up' development model, ...instead, rounding up millions of aboriginals and artisanal farmers, dumping them into urban ghettoes, then consolidating the stolen lands and resources, before leasing them to foreigh corporations, in return for royalties to the local tin-pot junta, Modi in India, for example (...but nowhere nearly as egregious as the $35B handed to the ZUKraine Junta by HRH Kerry, looted from the US Treasury by Congress, to backstop defaulting ZUK junk bonds used to consolidate, collateralize and privatize prime lands for the zUbers.)

This is the 21stC 3W development model. Depopulation brings the fastest ROI, and the biggest payout to the Tin-Pots and their foreign Ubers. It's the Age of the Leviathan! "I can't tell you where all the money went!" Benhamin

And then they came for my pension.

Imagine a world where the private pensions are looted, the fifth-quintile wealth NIRPd, the elders and children warehoused, the students warehoused, all of the adults working 365x24x7 to support the Ubers and their Tin-Pot Mil.Gov.Fed. Why, that would be Dachau, wouldn't it? Dachau, with Netflix and Burger King Mac'n Cheese Substance.

Arbeit Macht Frei! Lei hei!

Posted by: Uk Tahder | Jul 1, 2016 8:27:01 PM | 34

@ 17

You had me at number one and will soon be a refugee myself.

Posted by: Forest | Jul 1, 2016 9:27:17 PM | 35

RETIRED U.S. AIR FORCE Gen. Philip Breedlove, until recently the supreme commander of NATO forces in Europe, plotted in private to overcome President Barack Obama’s reluctance to escalate military tensions with Russia over the war in Ukraine in 2014, according to apparently hacked emails from Breedlove’s Gmail account that were posted on a new website called DC Leaks.

Obama defied political pressure from hawks in Congress and the military to provide lethal assistance to the Ukrainian government, fearing that doing so would increase the bloodshed and provide Russian President Vladimir Putin with the justification for deeper incursions into the country.

Breedlove, during briefings to Congress, notably contradicted the Obama administration regarding the situation in Ukraine, leading to news stories about conflict between the general and Obama.

...

In the European press, Breedlove has been portrayed as a hawkish figure known for leaning on allied nations to ditch diplomacy and to adopt a more confrontational role again Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine. Breedlove, testifying before Congress earlier in February of this year, called Russia “a long-term existential threat to the United States and to our European allies.”

Der Spiegel reported that Breedlove “stunned” German leaders with a surprise announcement in 2015 claiming that pro-Russian separatists had “upped the ante” in eastern Ukraine with “well over a thousand combat vehicles, Russian combat forces, some of the most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery” sent to Donbass, a center of the conflict.

Breedlove’s numbers were “significantly higher” than the figures known to NATO intelligence agencies and seemed exaggerated to German officials. The announcement appeared to be a provocation designed to disrupt mediation efforts led by Chancellor Angela Merkel.

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/01/nato-general-emails/

Posted by: Les | Jul 1, 2016 9:30:33 PM | 36

Come on people: neo-liberalism is the same as colonialism in the 13th through 20th century. I know you find Andre Vltchek anathema because he calls out the west for it's desire to take from the rest of the world ... thus both Bernie and Trump are not asking for anything more or less than a return to the good old days when the 1% at least pretended to share ... . Or call it the New Deal, or whatever, but fairness stops at the borders of our enclave and those little not-white folks be damned!

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 1, 2016 10:00:26 PM | 37

M K Bhadrakumar's comments in today's article.. Turkey needs help, Russia scrambles

Posted by: james | Jul 1, 2016 10:09:49 PM | 38

@ Laguerre | Jul 1, 2016 5:32:36 PM | 27

Not at all, what was offensive was using an 'American measure' on a British political phenomenon; you will go and give the Duhmerican readers ideas of utility. Ignoring MSM video cuts of Farange's statement fragments, the UKIP leader is an accomplished orator, well capable of extended contemporaneous address. Neither political candidate for resident of the Whitehouse can string together much more than grunts and open mouthed farts.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 1, 2016 10:18:10 PM | 39

in re 37 --

Very little of the 13th. cent. is like the 21st.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 1, 2016 10:36:28 PM | 40

Local radicals stymie Turkey’s Daesh fight ...............

Posted by: james | Jul 1, 2016 11:35:02 PM | 41

laguerre, jfl: laguerre is confused because "internationalist" had some connotation is Communist and Socialist movements, each having its International organization and each singing "International" at occasion. But in the recent "neocon" usage this means readiness to apply force to defend human rights, free trade etc. Readiness to make desert and call it peace (although, in practice, without the efficiency of late Roman Republic or early Roman Empire).

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Why is it sane for people in Britain to want to retain nuclear weapons? What do they get out of it, aside from becoming a target for other people's nukes?

Posted by: lysias | Jul 1, 2016 3:59:18 PM | 16

You need to study the actual application of nuclear weapons after WWII. The chief is the boost to the national pride. Consider the lyrics "...And guardian angels sang this strain:
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

Apart from the reference to a British newspaper from which I have learned about the danger posed by Corbyn to the British national treasure that are nukes, the British feel better in the possession of the finest naval ships on this planet. Alas, that is not possible if you do not have nuclear submarines bearing nuclear missiles. This sense of satisfaction and security has a distinct value. For example, in America about half of owners of passengers vehicles have so-called SUVs that defy principles of aerodynamics and stability. But they give the FEELING of security and that feeling is stressed a lot in commercials. (This is marketing to women, in men-oriented ads it is stressed that you can drive them like a madman). And folks shell quite a few thousand dollars to have that security sense. Another way to gain security in USA is to get permit for carrying a concealed weapon and then to tot the said weapon around. At least, Brits do not shoot each other or smash each other in car crashes to feel secure (apparently, the safest country to drive!), but they still need SOMETHING!

One can complain that this is not rational thinking. But sane humans also have FEELINGS.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 1, 2016 11:36:46 PM | 42

My heart bleeds for the suffering of the internationalists in PLP (see above for the explanations of both terms). Where is a humanitarian intervention when they need it? Proper functioning of democracy requires some mechanism for removing "disastrous leaders", and in case when the rascal are not only disastrous but also popular, making sure that they are not only removed but also prevented from running for office. I call it "Aristide treatment": US marines packed him into a plane and send to Africa, and American diplomacy made sure that he can never return to his homeland. Why Corbyn problem cannot be solved in the same way?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 1, 2016 11:47:57 PM | 43

Rufus:
According to whom? What was the number one activity of Europeans in the 13th Century? Looking outward ... and that only intensified as each century came and went. Looking outward? For what?

For what others had that Europeans could take. By the 15th and 16th centuries we see this move toward the non-European world as the rise of blatant and unapologetic colonialism. The role of a colony was to sent wealth back to the mother country. Europe still does that, though they don't claim colonies - now it is spheres of influence. The US also sees Europe as a sphere of influence ... and that means that Europe is becoming a colonial entrepot of the empire.

Western Civilization was built on the wealth stolen from non-Europeans. What Europeans want is to go back to the days when they were on top ... even the free-education, the long holidays, the medical care that Europeans want was the result of the theft of wealth from the rest of the world. It still is, only now even Europeans are not being allowed to share the wealth of the 0.0001% who are taking what the Europeans believed was theirs.

Thus, when we hear people complain about the 1% what it really boils down to is that the lowly (average?) westerner is not being shared with by the malignant overlords that was common in the post WWII world. Bernie-ites, Trump-sters, pro-BREXIT brits are not talking about equity ... they simply want the elites to share part of their ill-gotten gains.

I could have said that all of so-called western (alleged) civilization was culpable ... and as the root and source of capitalism, it is.

So, just to make you feel all better, I will agree that the 13th and 20th century were not alike ... but one did lead to the other. Was it inevitable? Maybe not ... some in the west did demand sharing so long as that sharing did not involve those brown and black others. If you insist, call it racism. I prefer tribalism ... .

You are complicit in the theft by the west ... just as if you were a Captain John Smith raping the people of the native man Powhatan.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 1, 2016 11:54:22 PM | 44

Re 18, thanks Brad. I've bookmarked your article, as well as your webpage.

Recently, a comment I read elsewhere suggested that Stevens was killed because he was encouraging Libyan jihadis to go to Syria. The theory was that those who killed him viewed that as a betrayal. I responded that I heard Jeremy Scahill speak at a showing of "Dirty Wars," and that Jeremy mentioned that the CIA was working with the jihadis while JSOC was trying to kill them (or vice verse). I suggested that perhaps this two-faced policy was deliberate, or that the jihadis thought it was, as making it more dangerous for them to stay in Libya provides an incentive for them to go to Syria. Wonder if you have a take on any of that.

Posted by: William Rood | Jul 2, 2016 12:20:35 AM | 45

nmb @ 1: The Neo-feudalism offered by advocates of Globalism is the new religion of the elites. And, like most religions, isn't based on reason, but myths held by some, to convince one another of their superiority.

Posted by: ben | Jul 2, 2016 2:27:52 AM | 46

@ rg the lg | Jul 1, 2016 11:54:22 PM | 44

Excellent comments! Came across more than one creditable documentaries and videos of the colonists. After helping and taught the colonist to overcome their first winter, the colonies returned, instead of thanking the natives they murdered and sized their lands. There are many creditable documentaries and videos out there.

One of these The Truth About Thanksgiving[By Susan Bates]. You can find more, type untold story of Thanksgiving or the untold story of Thanksgiving

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jul 2, 2016 2:34:47 AM | 47

@ 39 (edit)

Farange's => Farage's (subliminal disparagement apparently)

Found at The Guardian: Political use of hypnotism (marketing techniques).

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 2, 2016 4:21:34 AM | 48

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 1, 2016 3:59:49 PM | 17

1) Globalisation. Nobody can cope with the way that the economy is being made world-wide. They want to earn and spend locally. Not that that is possible any more.

It is possible if people really want it. There are a few local currency experiments in Germany that function in a way depending on the conditions and the people taking part.
But people are split between consumers looking for the best buy and producers trying to get the best sell.

There is a possible mix when people want special quality. High quality bikes for example are assembled in Germany from parts produced in Asia.

You also have to add to Britain's troubles: Deindustrialization. They are a financial service hub like Switzerland and Monaco with some North Sea Oil (see Scottish independence/peaked) and some tourism/fishing/gentleman agriculture/golf courses.

The British working class has been sold out for a long time. The jobs there are they compete with Eastern European immigrants. And that is a large part of the reason of the vote for Brexit.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 2, 2016 6:50:46 AM | 49

Nato General plotting against Obama on Russia policy

Posted by: somebody | Jul 2, 2016 7:50:39 AM | 50

At last, I can agree with somebody.

Posted by: DM | Jul 2, 2016 8:21:39 AM | 51

@38 james, 'Turkey needs help, Russia scrambles' Bhadrakumar

Yeah. Russia leaves no stones unturned. No matter how many lizards scurry out into the bushes.

Of course we have less than 'perfect' information ... enough to be skeptical though.

What did b4real say ... 'I try to predict his next step, but consistently fail.' Me too.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 2, 2016 8:29:26 AM | 52

@50 sb, 'Obama defied political pressure from hawks in Congress and the military to provide lethal assistance to the Ukrainian government'

The POTUS 'defied' his 'colleagues' and employees? Probably leaked by the Obama 'legacy detail', doncha think?

Posted by: jfl | Jul 2, 2016 8:34:02 AM | 53

11;Do you know any supporters of Trump to make that call of ignorance?
All we know is the present,compared to our past,sucks.
And a vote for the hell bitch means a continuance of that sucking.
Lysias;The Zionists want no part of American nationalism and will try anything to kill Trump.In fact some idiot tried to shoot him a week or so ago,and if you slept late the next day you missed it.No sympathy for the golem.
And Corbyn was attacked in the lying times for saying Israel and the Islamic state had similarities.No other MSM ran with it though.
And the WB is in lockdown.Unbelievable.
The Drone king polishes his apple.Only a few innocents murdered.OK then.
.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 2, 2016 9:05:16 AM | 54

Posted by: jfl | Jul 2, 2016 8:34:02 AM | 52

Possible. Everybody leaking everybody's emails is a great development.

In other news Germany's Social Democrat/coalition leader Gabriel proposes double citizenship for "young" (I am waiting for the definition of this) Brits.

Germanic tribes reunite.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 2, 2016 9:06:30 AM | 55

Wasn't the modern world invented by Europeans?Are the Chinese,Japanese,Indonesians,Brazilians,Africans trying to be like us or we like them?
Yes,our civilization? has its plentiful warts,but we don't want to be Africa,Asia,or South America,sorry.
As Trump says in trying to make the world like us,we are turning into the world.
F*ck that.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 2, 2016 9:19:57 AM | 56

THE REAL STORY OF THANKSGIVING
by Susan Bates

http://www.manataka.org/page269.html

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 2, 2016 9:40:03 AM | 57

Before you attack - keep in mind that I was in SE Asia in 1965 - 1967; a little country called Vietnam.

Like Smedley Butler, author in 1938 of 'War is a Racket,' in my view, the nationalistic rhetoric around the 4th of July is little more than a celebration of a bunch of very well-propagandized fools.

I challenge you to read every word in this offering:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/07/01/refuse-to-celebrate-july-4th-militarism/

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

And, Thanks Jack Smith, for your kind comments.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 2, 2016 9:43:51 AM | 58

49

Since you mentioned bikes, a year ago I bought a shop-assembled Taiwan bike from a local franchise owner who buys in bulk, and just adds a small profit and assembly cost, making his profit on routine maintenance support and accessories. Awesome MTB for only US$300, better than a similar-cluster road bike I paid $300 for back in 1986, 30 years earlier.
I'm sorry, I'll never pay $2000 for a locally-made frame if I can buy better from Taiwan, since the gear train and shifters are all manufactured in Asia anyway. What do you get?

Posted by: Roitan | Jul 2, 2016 9:54:12 AM | 59

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 2, 2016 9:19:57 AM | 55

Ähem. I think you mix capitalism and continents. I don't think you can divorce the US from capitalism, and Donald Trump is a very unlikely anticapitalist force.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 2, 2016 9:58:13 AM | 60

Not only Ahmed Chataev is not Russian but Chechen, but he has been wanted by the russian on terorrism charges for years. In 2011, an EU court blocked his extradition to Russia from Bulgaria.

So, you tell me who does and does not want to fight terrorism.

Posted by: samspade | Jul 2, 2016 10:02:43 AM | 61

@ rg the lg | Jul 2, 2016 9:43:51 AM | 57
Like Smedley Butler, author in 1938 of 'War is a Racket,' in my view, the nationalistic rhetoric around the 4th of July is little more than a celebration of a bunch of very well-propagandized fools.

You got it 100%; thanks for that post.
Right on...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jul 2, 2016 10:11:15 AM | 62

57

4th of July is an historical celebration of the time in American life when its citizens were Independent and Free, before the 1913 Coup, and a subsequent 2001 Coup, destroyed US, all carried out, the zMedia says now, by Mexicans, Muslims and Mendicant Students.

The Chosen are even claiming They 'settled the American West', but I don't remember any Schlomo Putz at the Alamo, or Eli fighting off Apaches on the Oregon Trail, and I don't remember Them carrying their Torah tabernacle over the Chilcoot Pass to the Klondike.

So on 4oJ, we drink a few PBR beers and wolf a few non-kosher franks to remind ourselves even though we've lost our Freedom and Independence to the zSchwein, we built the West. Then like First Nations before us, we'll be rounded up into New Gaza detention centers.

And then They'll come for you.

Posted by: Roitan | Jul 2, 2016 10:12:53 AM | 63

Roitan | Jul 2, 2016 10:12:53 AM | 62

And butchered 20 million native Americans in the process.
Well done, do carry on...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jul 2, 2016 10:17:08 AM | 64

Since many years -- debate as to which country would leave the EU first. (Brexit ain't a done deal..)

What leaving the EU means is totally unclear, there are degrees of belonging, just like a Fitness Club with 40 (flexible) different membership deals.. (see link)

Some tied their reasoning to the Euro (rightly so - in all discussions one must distinguish if one is focussing on the Euro, or on the EU, or on particular treaties such as Schengen, Dublin) - the (correct) idea was that the Euro is untenable for some and that through own decision, or willful expulsion, or by accident, a split would occur. Greece, naturally, but perhaps Italy or even Spain/France. Some in this camp had a broader vision, i.e. that the Euro could somehow be ‘reorganised’ by… (I disagreed with this.)

EU. Some rebellion from the Visigrad group (which actually aims at EU integration), invoking the migrant crisis (etc.) Or some kind of Nordic Union. Or some sudden rise of nationalistic parties, with the strongest of these actually moving forward (France, Netherlands.)

Anyway now it is clear that it is the stronger but the least tied to the EU countries are those running to the emergency exit.

The first was Switzerland. While not a member of the EU, it has bilateral agreements that ‘replicates’ the FTA (with the exception of banking), is a signatory to Schengen and Dublin, belongs to the council of Europe (and many other bodies.) Its outsider status is essentially = not a NATO member.

In Feb 2014 a referendum delivered a vote (50.1-2%) incompatible with the free movement of workers (1). It has been impossible to negotiate with Brussels so far on this matter, and is now (Brexit) on hold like for ever.

The matter did not make the MSM because both parties (CH-EU) hold huge leverage one over the other and neither knows what to do. (Many will be aware that CH withdrew its dead letter just before Brexit.) If CH and EU follow their own rules, all the bilateral agreements will be cut off (I’m not joking) in Feb/March 2017. It is an impasse, very like Brexit.

The second was GB (no Schengen, no Euro and a cornucopia of special conditions.) Note that the Remain campaign pitched “Yes EU”, but also “Less EU.” (Cameron negotiating, the hope that a strong Brexit vote would help, etc.) GB was always the most anti-EU, uneasy EU member. GB is the only EU ‘country’ which is itself a Union (GB), member of an important larger group (Commonwealth), and “owns” territories (e.g. Crown Dependencies (Channel Islands), Overseas Territories - much ambiguity there, link) which are not part of the EU.

1. workers is the correct term, not people. explicit - the rules deal with LABOR (cheap labor morevoer.) Something else that is covered up!

So who will be next?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_the_European_Union

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 2, 2016 10:23:49 AM | 65

63

Lebensraum is natural ecology. Procession of Species. Swamps to Alders to Maples to Firs. Then the Old Growth in its prime is felled by zWurms and zFungus. When Deutsche Bank sets off the next Chinese default contagion, and all our wealth is destroyed by the Zio'im algos, within a NY nano-second, a'then you'll be singing like a magpie for your bread pudding. God I love the smell of $400T of cratering derivatives in the morning.

But, psst, its a felony in EU to even speak Their name. We never had this conversation! They're the Real Makers, the Chosen, Builders, Settlers of the West, the Exceptionals~!

Happy 4oJ. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

Posted by: Roitan | Jul 2, 2016 10:35:20 AM | 66

To Piotr, other thread. Piotr post 78

Yes. Cogent points about Scotland. One might add that S. has a stronger ‘cultural - pol. identity’ than for ex. the Basques, Flemish, Catalans. Also, S. historical ties to the Continent can be judged as strong.

My problem is that (for S. / others) the EU governs - to hype a point - as you brought up Westminster - through Administrative Rule.

Countries may be run by a ‘dictator’, a family dynasty, a one party-system, be a representative republic, a hands-on democracy, etc. (The systems are mixed and a glib characterization is not pertinent, see China for ex.)

In none but the most extreme authoritarian places (ex. KSA) is Admin. the ruling potentate.

Yet, the EU forces down rules, laws, standards, principles, and more, which are then passed on down to ‘Nations.’ It pretends not to govern, avoids basic politics like the plague, is for Unity, and so on! Very dangerous, as there is usually no-little recourse.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 2, 2016 10:42:57 AM | 67

@okie farmer | Jul 2, 2016 9:40:03 AM | 56

Didn't wanna to posts YouTube "THE REAL STORY OF THANKSGIVING", by Susan Bates. A video is worth a thousand words, if accurately produced.

YouTube site:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP-APn__JT0

and another from shitty MSM's, especially Charlie Rose makes me puke!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haJzFXmmroo

@ rg the lg, you're most welcome :-) BTW I was passing by Vietnam (Saigon) for a few days sometime early 1964 after the French torn it apart and later we the Yanks came and murdered hundred of thousands or millions..... the Vietnamese still suffers today after receiving millions of gallon Agent Orange.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jul 2, 2016 11:02:12 AM | 68

Good analysis on what is going on in Britain by Kevin Ovenden

Posted by: somebody | Jul 2, 2016 11:12:08 AM | 69

It boggles the mind how twisted this Saudi's logic is - he places all responsibility for the deaths of "400 thousand Syrian citizens and caused the displacement of another 12 million" solely on Assad's shoulders. Inferring that if only Assad had handed the keys to Syria over to the Gulf Arab states long ago these lives wouldn't have been lost or displaced. Thus, only Assad is responsible for the carnage.

The height of arrogance communicated throughout this Saudi hit piece is not only disconcerting, but it's suggestions about Russia's presence in Syria are, well, odd (crap might be a better word though).

Written by Al-Ansari is Founder & President of the Washington DC-based, Saudi American Public Relation Affairs Committee (SAPRAC)

The Russian plan to oust Bashar Al-Assad -
"Going back to Bashar: I am certain, without a shadow of a doubt, that the Assad dynasty is nothing more to the Russian political elite than a playing card that has been burnt up by 80%, and that the Russians are now salvaging the rest of the card in order to completely preserve their political interests not only on Syrian grounds, but on surrounding shores and what is commonly known as the Mediterranean “warm waters” as well."

"As expected, Russia has proven through its presence in Syria that it is the only guarantor for Bashar, as he asked for the assistance of the Iranians, which they in turn failed to sustain due to the Syrian opposition stopping them in their tracks. This is why Moscow knows for certain that they are his last option, and that Bashar has no choice but to completely give in to Russia’s demands, effectively depriving him of any free will of his own."

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international-affairs/286243-the-russian-plan-to-oust-bashar-al-assad

Posted by: h | Jul 2, 2016 11:31:28 AM | 70

Spotlight with Sibel & Spiro- Istanbul Airport Terror: Glaring Unasked & Unanswered Questions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1RU72mtZF8

Sibel takes note of some security problems at the airport and how the narrative keeps switching back and forth .Seems it was a act of terrorism but probably brought to us by our regular CIA/Covert operatives .

Posted by: Terry | Jul 2, 2016 11:35:45 AM | 71

@51 jfl.. yes to that.. i triple your last comment which is a comment from b4real.

@60 samspade... yes - i mentioned that on the previous thread and then again earlier on this one, but it bears repeating..

@69 h.. that is a bullshit article if ever there was one.. all you need to know about the article is who wrote the article - Al-Ansari is Founder & President of the Washington DC-based, Saudi American Public Relation Affairs Committee

Posted by: james | Jul 2, 2016 11:51:37 AM | 72

@ rg the lg | Jul 1, 2016 2:16:22 PM | 6

I absolutely believe that the Brexit is a great thing. After all, the EU is a totally undemocratic elite dictatorship, so why remain a subject to such tyranny?

I also believe in restrained isolationism and nationalism. And that, in these times, it is necessary to limit immigration. Most people in the Middle East and North Africa live with extremely little social justice, and therefor they are socially incompatible with Europeans. This has nothing to do with religion or race. People in Libya during the first decade of the 21st century under Gaddafi, before that nation was destroyed by Washington, would have been compatible, but they were ruined.

CounterPunch is generally quite oriented toward social justice, but every now and then a fascist article slips in. Such as the one mentioned above:

Brexit – Let the UK Screw Itself!
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/01/brexit-let-the-uk-screw-itself/

Posted by: blues | Jul 2, 2016 11:59:04 AM | 73

in re 44 --

Nothing like a simplistic, superficial, but manichean view of the past.

Were does the retrofitting of modern sensibilities onto humanity's nasty, brutish and short history start and stop? Conquest and plunder have been human SOP for quite some time.

In terms of their culture and technologies, the Europeans of ca. 1200 are behind the neighbors on the Med, the Byzantine and Islamic states, as well as the Chinese Empire, with which they were beginning to come into direct contact.

By 1845, the Europeans were busy quarreling over the hulk of the anemic Ottomans and rapidly dividing China into spheres of influence. Why was this small area and population, up 'til then fairly marginal in Mediterranean basin, to say nothing of the Far East, able to export so much of itself in so short a time?

W.H. McNeill explores this in The Pursuit of Power, a history of military organization and technology since ca. 1000. I recommend it highly.

McNeill notes that the Europeans perfected gun-powder weapons and the necessary tactical and logistical arrangements needed to support these labor and capital intensive enterprises in their ruthless competition amongst themselves for territories, populations, and resources. West European geography, with it's mix of isles, river valleys, and mountains, permitted a bevy of small but energetic states to flourish.

As their trade became increasingly world-wide, so did their ambitions and quarrels. .

The revolt of the Dutch towns against Spain, for example (their "Eighty Years War"), was a global war. The Dutch took Java from Spain, took but lost Brazil from Portugal, and colonized the Cape as a naval center to support the Far Eastern trade. The Dutch East India Company epitomized the synthesis; it was a broadly held joint-stock company, run on strictly commercial principles, though not without a reciprocity of influence with the government of the States-General. These having military consequences, the company possessed its own armed forces and fleet.

Europeans had knowledge of gun-powder and Eastern efforts to weaponize it (large arrows from simple canon) by ca. 1350. In 1453, the bombard, a large, heavy siege weapon makes its debut in European, used against Bordeaux by the French at the conclusion of the Hundred Years War and by the Ottomans against the walls of Constantinople.

Within 100 yrs., the Europeans had proliferated size and type to match a variety of purposes, from side arms to long arms to artillery. Interestingly, much of this occurred through mercenary companies; they were hired by the Italian city-republics of the Renaissance to supplement the traditional stabbing weapons with the new technology; they "outsourced" this to contractors. Who often displaced the republics which hired them. See e.g., the Sforzas in Milan.

Maurice of Nassau, military commander of the Dutch Republic, standardized the training, equipment, organization, and operation of the musket regiment; they had the weapon, and now fully grasped how to use it.

The key was their size. The city-state and the empire were the two forms utilized before the emergence of the national monarchies, later the nation-states, of Europe. The city-state had strong bond with its citizens; the state united them. The royal bond of domination evoked different emotions. But the large-scale resources obtainable from such agglomerations made their acquisition and maintenance quite feasible.

This new hybrid combined resources and engagement.

I would note that this is the scaling up of a phenomena familiar from ancient Greece, where the geography aided the multitude of city-states to jealously jostle.

It is commonly held (cf. Marx and the role of the bourgeoisie, the townsmen, in the emergence of capitalism) that the semi-autonomous city and the merchant communities that ran them were the critical point of difference. Empires, such as Rome or China, are always wary of merchants and their towns. The wealth they possess poses a threat to autocracy; merchants lack arms, but such can be bought, along with men to wield them. And so they closely supervised them.

The fear of these communities and classes prompted the Ming ban on international trade in the late 1400's, after earlier having sent vessels as far afield as East Africa. While the ban ended in 1567, the tone of unquestionable, unending superiority over the "Southern Barbarians" (Europeans coming in numbers from their southern seas) taken then rather evokes comparison with the "sole superpower's" attitude. And it largely remained the Chinese attitude as they resumed trade under the guise of "tribute." They liked mechanical clocks, and would sell tea and porcelain for silver coin.

And such condescension blinds those who might quite understandably oppose the European-based global status quo, of market economies and representative government (at least formally), be it constitutional monarchy or republic, with negative consequences as well, I would say.

Hoping that those horrible globe-spanning bourgeois democrats will off each other doesn't really seem an effective strategy. Our moral judgements today cannot alter the past; they can however affect the present and future.

In the collapse of the Roman Empire in the West, the merchant corporations they used to monitor and tax the commercial population took on independent life. In the cash-starved West, lords all-too-gladly sold feudal rights, privileges, and exemptions to cities. Such means typically aided the town in obtaining leave to build walls, hold a market, and build a cathedral. The guilds controlled the town government, typically with the higher offices reserved for the richer trades.

These towns possessed military forces as well, in the militias drawn from their citizens. By Rembrandt's time, the companies depicted in such works as The Night Watch had become more social, at least in the Low Countries. But participation was still a symbol and token of civic life and union. According to the Wiki, it veritably oozes symbolism of the burghers defeat of the haughty aristocrats. Pirenne's Early Democracy in the Low Countries would be a good start for the curious. You should wind up with Geoffrey Parker on the Dutch Revolt.

The force underpinning much of this process was the ability of the Europeans to engineer significant improvements in productivity, with much of the new wealth accruing to the lower and middle classes. Partly due to changes in the organization of commercial and industrial enterprises, a great part rested upon a superior understanding of nature, thanks to the scientific method, which enhanced humanity's ability to manipulate the environment.

See, e.g., the development of the "atmospheric engine," from Savery's late 1600 proposed power supply, to the 1715 debut of the Newcomen engine, based upon it, to Boulton & Watt's improved design, shortly made smaller and more powerful, and hence, capable of installation on railways and ships.

So the question is not so much how the Europeans prevailed, it is, what about these other cultures permitted them to stagnate? A comfortable stasis was the ideal of the ancients, such as the Stoics. We can see the allure of the choice, and perhaps it was attainable in the pre-industrial age. But certainly not in 1800.

The Europeans offered their model as universal, and much of the Enlightenent is, IMHO. One might question how genuine this offer might be. But there is at least one solid case suggesting that it is inherently possible.

The Japanese had cut themselves off even more thoroughly and permanently from the outside world than China; the Manchus always appreciated folks turning up with trade goods, which they viewed as tribute.

The feudal government of the shogun, on paper just the emperor's top soldier but de facto head of state, eliminated local Catholicism, killing tens of thousands, and give the monopoly of all of their foreign trade (largely with China, largely luxury and cultural goods) to the Dutch. They were far less gung-ho in their faith than the Counter-Reformation Jesuits who typically served Rome in this area.

After the Opium Wars, which shocked the Japanese, the Dutch put them wise to the Industrial Revolution and in 1867 the new Meiji emperor began the transformation of Japan into a modern industrial state. Or rather, elements of the samurai in civil and military service in various "realms" (the de facto autonomous components of the Japanese "Empire") already stressed by increased contact with the West formed a new state in the name of the traditional figurehead (main job: chief priest of Shinto), suppressing dissent in a civil war.

Within fifty years, Japan had joined in the exploitation of China and decisively defeated a Major Power, Russia, on land and sea.

The spread of what is styled Western Civilization is not simply do to the evil ambitions of the Anglo-Saxons. In their relentless quarrels amongst themselves, in their underdeveloped backwater, the Europeans evolved important new tools for humanity to improve, if unevenly, its lot in life.

As Geoffrey Barraclough noted a number of years ago, in short book on what he saw as the present period, Contemporary vs. Modern, argued that the present Contemporary period would of demographic and socio-economic development be less dominated by the Western powers.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 2, 2016 12:28:25 PM | 74

Very interesting read ...

"Hacked private emails of the US general formerly in charge of NATO reveal a campaign to pressure the White House into escalating the conflict with Russia over Ukraine, involving several influential players in Washington.

The emails, posted by the site DCLeaks, show correspondence between General Philip M. Breedlove, former head of the US European Command and supreme commander of NATO forces, with several establishment insiders concerning the situation in Ukraine following the February 2014 coup that ousted the elected government in favor of a US-backed regime."

source - http://www.globalresearch.ca/breedloves-war-hacked-private-emails-reveal-former-nato-general-plotting-us-conflict-with-russia/5533859

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 2, 2016 12:56:07 PM | 75

July 2, 2016 - You cannot make this stuff up ...

"China’s experience of building islands in the sea may now come in handy for Israel as its first Deputy Prime Minister, Yisrael Katz, proposed a project to create an artificial island off the coast of Gaza Strip in the Mediterranean Sea."

source - http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160702/1042343824/china-construction-israel.html

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 2, 2016 1:40:43 PM | 76

Re: @36, @74, "Breedlove".

This is very investing. Apparently, our good general conducted private foreign policy using his gmail.com accent. Inexplicably, this account got hacked. Remind me how now retired Senator Stevens of Alaska explained to computer-literate reporters: "... the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material". Thinking about it, messages waiting in lines that are inside tubes are an interesting picture. Some impatient messages start to smoke, and other shout that they cannot suffer the smell. Sadly, no refreshing breeze inside the tube.

At least Hillary Clinton made some effort to use a secure server.

Another interesting aspect is that this picture could be used as the incontrovertible proof of the current Russian activities in Ukraine: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Franz_Roubaud._Count_Argutinsky_crossing_the_Caucasian_range._1892.jpg

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 2, 2016 1:48:30 PM | 77

Turkey's dumping of its old allies, Al Nusra, may increase the risks of terrorists retaliations within Turkey. It will also make the 'moderate' Syrian opposition insignificant. How will Qatar and Saudi Arabia react to that backstabbing coming from their "ally" Erdogan?

"During a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu said that Ankara considers not only Daesh but also al-Nusra Front as terrorists."

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160702/1042338086/russia-turkey-syria-terrorists.html


Posted by: virgile | Jul 2, 2016 2:02:11 PM | 78

@ Susan Sunflower | Jul 1, 2016 4:54:48 PM | 23

It has been a tiring day, not only for your 'rant' that strikes spot on about the fungibility of meaning overwhelming contemporaneous communication (not helped by 140 character limits - twits indeed), but as subsequent commentary provides, the evisceration of history by 'debunk' and the enthronement of opinionated ignorance - what's not to like? Your "have been utterly indoctrinated by neoliberal memes …" points directly to the cancerous heart afflicting publics both sides of the Atlantic as well as many of those they hold suzerainty over; the biblical "they know not what they do" is dead on, and 'they' will likely never know - or care as that takes effort. The ages ahead will certainly be dark as in unenlightened and should the libraries be burnt, for a very, very long time. The family 'cow' of civilisation has been traded for a handful of 'neo-magical beans', wonder how this version will conclude. Your comment deserved some observation, hope this will suffice.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 2, 2016 3:56:49 PM | 79

virgile @77

I agree. This rapprochement between Turkey and Russia is huge. It could mean that the Turks have finally come to their senses and realize that Russia is their ally, not the Salafi Gulf states that have been supporting Al qaida, ISIS, etc.

We will see soon if it is real. Those terrorists forces fighting in Aleppo are currently getting the their logistical support from inside Turkey. If that dries up then those forces are toast. If that dries up then it would suggest that Russia and Turkey are serious about improving relations.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 2, 2016 4:05:24 PM | 80

Rufus:
Thank you for documenting what I initially said!
W.H. McNeill 'The Pursuit of Power,' is one of many apologetics for the west. Better than some. My contention remains unaltered, the 13th century was a staging area for what was to come.
Unless, and until, we in the west, acknowledge our crimes ... and perhaps begin to change our ways, we remain not only complicit but sharers in the crime.

Again, in celebration of the destruction of the world by the west ... go blow up some fireworks.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 2, 2016 4:50:08 PM | 81

Posted by: lysias | Jul 1, 2016 6:50:18 PM | 32

Of course.

Turkish aid ships sail to Gaza

Apart from agreeing to Turkey’s humanitarian work in Gaza, Israel will reportedly pay $20 million in compensation to the families of the activists killed by IDF soldiers. Turkey in turn, has agreed to approve a law that would put an end to lawsuits from the families of the victims killed in the raid, the Hürriyet reported.

Israel offered an apology and the compensation to bring about a thaw with Turkey, the Times of Israel reported, adding that Ankara is also to invest in infrastructure projects in Gaza under the deal.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 2, 2016 5:36:09 PM | 82

@68 sb, ' It is that in the next three months, a hiatus which Cameron swiftly decided upon in the early hours following his referendum defeat, the labour movement might assert in this national political crisis the independent interests of working people against a capitalist Establishment reeling from popular rejection at the polls.

' That is why the other side are out to get Corbyn. And that is why the whole of the labour movement must rally to defend him and offer a way forward for society as a whole. '

Yes, the rundown of what's what in GB is very helpful, too.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 2, 2016 5:44:09 PM | 83

The only thing that gives me hope in this world run by madmen,
is that "Others" may have our better interests at heart.

43years of meticulous research by Robert Hastings,
who grew up on a USAF base, son of an officer.
His life's career decided one night in the ATC tower,
where his after school job as janitor had him,
when he saw and heard the ATC controllers,
discussing 5 UFOs on radar over the base.
The UFOs performed impossible manoeuvres,
and zipped off into the stratosphere,
leaving the USAF scrambled fighter jets sputtering and antiquated.

Since then Hastings has uncovered over 140 different instances
of UFOs deactivating nuclear missiles, for both NATO and Soviet Union.
Hopefully some extraterrestrial civilisation has a sense of benevolence.

See the irrefutably convincing testimonies and corroborating declassified documents:

http://www.ufohastings.com/documentary
http://www.ufohastings.com/book
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7me4boq5Wyk

Posted by: Anon02July | Jul 2, 2016 5:50:51 PM | 84

@81 sb

A link, I think, to at least a similar story to yours : Turkey's humanitarian aid ship carrying 11,000 tons of relief supplies ready to sail for Gaza.

Is the blockade broken, or for Erdogan only? How about Russian aid? Chinese? Is this going to be a serious aid program to Gaza, of just a cynical one-off show-off, for Erdogan to take bows after?

Posted by: jfl | Jul 2, 2016 5:56:02 PM | 85

@83 a2j, 'Hopefully some extraterrestrial civilisation has a sense of benevolence.'

I had a good friend in Texas who, when the Anglos pressed him about Tejano 'superstition' with regard to the Virgin de Guadalupe, would question the Anglo superstition : UFOs.

Given a choice between the two, I'll take the Virgin de Guadalupe.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 2, 2016 6:06:22 PM | 86

@77 I'm not buying Erdogan's new found religion. Another set of patriot batteries are soon to be in place on Turkey's southern border, the switch by the SDF from a Raqqa focused attack to Manbij represents a more easily defensable area from the Kurdish point of view, and HillbillRAH-hotep's slouching towards Bethlehem to be born is nearly complete , so getting Russia on board (entrapped into? )for the Clinton's next Kosovo-like victory in Syria is important.

Posted by: wwinsti | Jul 2, 2016 7:00:49 PM | 87

Posted by: jfl | Jul 2, 2016 5:56:02 PM | 84

Probably got something to do with this

gas in Gaza's water


and this

Israel wants someone to build a $5 billion island off Gaza — for a seaport, hotels, airport

and this

Why Hamas resumed ties with Iran

Posted by: somebody | Jul 2, 2016 7:02:50 PM | 88

Jaysh al-Islam.. another one of those ''moderate'' rebel groups considered signed on to the party on cessation of hostilities in syria - the group that captured the syrian pilot.. "The group along with Ahrar ash-Sham are the main rebel groups supported by Turkey and Saudi Arabia.[38] The group aims to create an Islamic state under Sharia law.[39][40] Syria, Russia, Iran, and Egypt have designated Jaysh al-Islam as a terrorist organization." wikipedia quote... meanwhile - usa state dept. spokesperson john kirby is pointedly asked on this topic and replies with the usual evasiveness only outdone by the propaganda opportunity he also capitalizes over the same questions... quite the circus show at the "U.S. Department of State - Daily Briefing: July.01.2016" if interested - 3 minute video here...

i guess the usa is attracted to the idea of a salafist group pursuing it's objective of creating an islamic state under haria law.. makes for good press to some of those ever so helpful gcc countries... i wonder if turkey will consider revising it's view here based on a renewed relationship with russia?

Posted by: james | Jul 2, 2016 7:19:48 PM | 89

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ozone-hole-shrinks-montreal-treaty_us_577684c8e4b04164640f9cd8?section=

The extreme hubris of the New Technocracy, a taxpayer-funding research-corrupted pension-for-life tenure-seniority revolving-door bureaucracy, to state despite all emperical evidence to the contrary, that humans can affect the earth's climate, while at the same time willfully ignoring the massive contamination and devastation caused by organic pesticides, herbicides, GMO pollen gene-shifting, deforestation, strip mining, industrial farming, processed foods, pharmaceuticals, food denaturing, depopulation, global trade, financiaal pestilence and all the other blights of that very same New Technocracy, risks nothing, only as long as they don't gain mind-space traction.

After all, with no emperical evidence than 'man' (sic) in the form of carbon dioxide, is affecting the global climate, [¿and whose climate would that be, plants, whose population and biomasse is a million times greater than we little leviathans, are absolutely loving it, NASA studies show?], there there is absolutely no possibility for proof that 'man' (sic) can do anything to reverse it! Correlation is not causation, and in a googleplex multivarient natural environment such as Earth's, reducing fossil fuel access by the 3W, that old 20thC eugenics gambit, (they breed like rabbits! the Pope complained) may just as well increase Global Whateverwesayitistoday!

CFC production was not 'reduced' as this article claims. That's The Big Lie. CFCs were recaptured, bottled, and resold to 3W countries, where no such laws existed. Every single ton of CFCs ever produced is still out there, along with billions of tons of 'New Cleaner 97% Fat-Free CFCs' ...and a completely retooled refrigeration industry. That the point of the freon-ban process, to juice up a moribund refrigeration industry that had plateau'd into watching your refrigerator age, waiting for a new freon recharge.

But that's not the point anyway. The massive and sustained growth in industrial production of ozone-destroying chemicals, like anhydrous ammonia now used worldwide for increased crop production, or off-gassed plastics precursers used to make our trillions of plastic bags and plastic automotive finishes, exceeds the displaced-freon production BY A BILLION TIMES! It's not the CFC's, stupid!

The New Technocracy is a False God, a Big Lie God, a Massive Screed for the Globalists. Do your homework. Read the studies. Cross-train in scientific and statistical analysis. Because if we don't regain the high groung of intellectual debate, this New Techocracy ISIS will bring a Second Dark Ages to humankind, and billions of humans will perish for their Satanic Lord of Ba'al and Moloch.

And that's the real 'Global Warming', a Pol Pot Hell on Earth Scientocracy.

Posted by: Uk Tahder | Jul 2, 2016 8:50:26 PM | 90

83

The rest of the book ... it's a cookbook!

Klatoo, barada nicto.
Your choice is to join us and live in peace, or pursue your present course and face the obliteration. We shall be waiting for your answer.
The decision rests with you.

https://youtu.be/qJEmKSgkpJk

Posted by: Uk Tahder | Jul 2, 2016 9:11:16 PM | 91

But Hillary isn't Jewish. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-hillary-clinton_us_5777e61fe4b09b4c43c0afb4 And Trump supports what is considered by many to be mainstream Jewish interests such as being over the top supportive of Israel. "Mr. Trump regularly touts his close ties to Jewish people, noting that his daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism when she married her husband, Jared Kushner. He also has promised to make the security of Israel a top priority if he is elected president." I think Trump's graphic designer just used a star shape. And I personally have never seen someone try to depict a star of david using a solid color red. When some in the media refer to it as a "Star of David" instead of a 6 point star or Hexagram star shape, they are manipulating people. I am no fan of Trump BTW: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dT68_Hur1jfMts7n_QMnx45

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jul 2, 2016 9:20:35 PM | 92

ToivoS@79

The departure of Davutoglu has changed a lot of things in Turkey.
Turkey is taking a new direction by making a U-turn and dropping its support to some of the enemies of Bashar al Assad. As a member of NATO Erdogan has been obliged to cooperate with the EU and the USA in the fight against ISIS. Turkey got immediate retaliation from these groups whose cells have flourished in the last 5 years. Recently as a retaliation against the warming of relation with Russia and Israel,Islamist groups worst enemies, the attacks have been more spectacular.

If now Erdogan is taking the fight to another level, Turkey will get an increase of terrorist attacks. Repression will cause more violence. Erdogan has no more choices, he is stuck with the consequences of his ambitious regional strategy that Bashar al Assad and his allies have aborted.
Erdogan will take the toll and he may never be able to change the Turkish constitution to fulfill his totalitarian ambitions

Posted by: virgile | Jul 2, 2016 9:26:04 PM | 93

87

Israel wants the offshore drilling platform, err 'island', in Gaza territorial waters over Gazan offshore gas fields that the Israelis are intent on looting (as they will Egypt's) under their Leviathan Project, just like China wants an offshore island in the Spratly Islands of the Philippines, to stake their South China Sea oil and gas drilling concessions, in someone else's territory, (big fish eat little fish) and that load of tripe the MSM feeds USEU like this about Fantasy Island is a tribute to the global power of zPlutarch Media.

This has nothing to do with the Jewish people of Israel, but of the Zionazim super-minority over them, elected by only a 28% vote.

91

Both Clinton and Trump have married their first-born into The Tribe, and both are deeply beholden to the Goldman Banking Cartels. Both are involved in financial crimes of graft, corruption and money-laundering. Trump-Clinton 2016 is as much of a sham as Crisis of ISIL (USIL), and that load of tripe the MSM feeds US like this about 'democracy' is a tribute to the global power of zPlutarch Media.

Red Army, Blue Army, same Zupreme Zoviet, and you better wake up, America, before Deutsche Bank and China yuan collapse topples the dominoes of your retirement, under this New Zion Trump-Clinton-Goldman Plutocracy.
This time around, you're not getting 'kinder, gentler'Obama, you're getting New zOkhrana-Spetnaz, and a wide-open, no visa revolving door between WADC, NYC, Tel Aviv and Brussels, with The Fall of the American Dream, ...but with Netflix, Oculus porn, Tesla 3s and Burger King Mac'n Cheese Substance, ...so there's that!
Everything will be just fine. Have a nice hot shower and then we'll get you some new camp clothes to wear. Are those gold fillings?

Posted by: Uk Tahder | Jul 2, 2016 9:56:30 PM | 94

69

If you ever had to take a macro-economics class in college, then you know when the demand curve exceeds the supply curve, (and the Gulf Arab Plutarchs have pretty much hit that sweet spot at $50, with plenty of profits for them to make mischief with, but shut-ins for US fracking and Alberta tar sands, together with an unreported looming holocaust in Venezuala,) then fuel price-inflexibility pretty much makes the shit-go-sideways from there. With the entirety of humankind, outside of these Petrocene Plutarchs, on tenter-hooks watching to see if The Carbon Caliphate of Scientocracy lays an additional tithe on fuels, fossil energy that drives the entire planet's economy, this Saudi Plutarch's agitprop about two Syrian and Russian oil cartels is just the headline act for a now very near future, just months away, when the Trump-Clinton-Goldman Plutarchs are enthroned, and push the 'go-button' on a Brexited Brussels NATO to full battle-rattle to goose the economy, just about the time Deutsche Bank and China's yuan collapses.

Vote 'NYET' in November. Go down like a warrior, not a wimp. May you live in a 3W village, care-free.

Posted by: Uk Tahder | Jul 2, 2016 10:38:31 PM | 95

So, infinite moral retrofitting then. There is no historical explanation, only petty-bourgeois moralism and volunatarism.

And the West must be destroryed!

Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 2, 2016 11:09:00 PM | 96

Erdogan's apology - there are many layers to its nature, and there is really no one single thing as a cause. Turkey has half a dozen good reasons to make up to Russia, and the Saker has a good list in his latest Unz Review article: Turkey on the Ropes.

But Pepe Escobar adds the pipelines, and the tectonic shifts in global strategy - these things tend to get your attention, and to override even neurosis and the delusions of pride.

Escobar is worth reading in his extolling of China's great leaps forward, the partnership with Russia, and the connecting of the whole of Eurasia and its institutions, as well as its western aspect reaching into Europe. This is only one piece of Turkey's realpolitik, but it's very powerful - Escobar cites it in one single paragraph, as an aside, a minor character in the big, exciting story: On the Road to United Eurasia

No wonder a certain Sultan Erdogan was watching all this in Ankara with trepidation, and decided to make a move. Erdogan’s attempt at a rapprochement with Russia involves not being hopelessly sidelined in this OBOR/EEU/SCO amalgamation. Turkey cannot afford to be alienated from Russia; the Turkish Stream gas pipeline will be essential to consolidate Ankara’s position as a key energy crossroads towards Europe. At the same time, Ankara must imperatively position itself as a key hub in OBOR.

We know that Erdogan likes to act as the rugged individual, and also that his moves have all failed. The apology is the beginning of national reason, larger than one man. To think that Erdogan may do this or may do that - as if he had the room to be arbitrary anymore - is to miss the importance of the apology, the attempted rapprochement. We must wait and watch, but it almost seems as if even Erdogan is no longer being allowed the space to be capricious - that perhaps a stronger force for survival is at work in Turkey. With luck, those old days are over.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 3, 2016 12:15:54 AM | 97

Blue @72:

Bwaaah ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is choice! Calling Andre Vltchek a fascist!

I've got to ask: just what sort of funny stuff are you ingesting to come up with that one?

May I refer you to: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/13/i-am-a-communist/

Therein Vltchek makes it clear that he is not a fascist.

I will give you a break: there are a lot of people that throw words around without a clue to their meaning. Often the words are viewed as being derogatory. Therefore I assume you simply meant that Vltchek is someone you disagree with and wish to disparage. But Fascist? So you used the word because you don't like him. Fine. But please attempt to use a term you know the meaning of/for/with.

I know this is a slam, and unkind ... but sometimes one is compelled to be unkind because nice is not palatable. [Origin and Etymology of nice:
Middle English, foolish, wanton, from Anglo-French, silly, simple, from Latin nescius ignorant, from nescire not to know — more at nescience
(Definition of nescience: lack of knowledge or awareness : ignorance
nescient \-sh(ē-)ənt, -sē-ənt\ adjective)
First Known Use of nice: 14th century]

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 3, 2016 12:24:03 AM | 98

Israel and Turkey Officially Announce Rapprochement Deal, Ending Diplomatic Crisis


In the agreement, Turkey waived its demand that the naval blockade of Gaza be lifted in its entirety. The Turks are thereby acknowledging that any aid they send to Gaza will have to pass through Ashdod Port for Israeli security inspection, only after which it will be taken by land to Gaza. The agreement sustains the naval blockade of Gaza, which is preventing Hamas from growing stronger, Netanyahu told the press, adding that he would not have compromised about that.

Erdogan has betrayed the Palestinians ... probably cooperating with the Israelis' hocus-pocus theft, @87, of Palestinian gas off the coast of Gaza.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 3, 2016 1:16:06 AM | 99

I a seeing lots of opinions and parsing of BREXIT statistics around the web. The one I want to share is as follows:

"The poorest twenty districts [those with the most wage stagnation] in England overwhelmingly voted to leave the EU. . . ." (Angry Bear)

I would also argue that while the Leave vote was supported more by older folk, I would argue that older folk may be less inclined to be brainwashed by the media/system and see the EU for the political/economic nightmare it has become (as designed, see book The Shock Doctrine)

The world needs to understand that there are not now, nor into the foreseeable future going to be jobs for all seeking employment. Are the coming nation states going to compete for the declining number of jobs proffered by the corporations of the global plutocrats? That is what is happening now and it will only get worse. Divide and conquer continues to work for the global plutocrats.

IMO, personal responsibility to and expected support from government needs to be redefined to address this within the context of agreeing to global population control and resource sharing decisions along with ending private finance and unfettered inheritance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 3, 2016 1:31:16 AM | 100

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