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July 31, 2016

"Last Hospital In Aleppo Destroyed" - Week After Week After Week?

(Updated below)

Doctors in the shattered suburbs of eastern Aleppo appealed for help last night after Syrian government warplanes destroyed the area’s last children’s hospital.
Jets bomb last children’s hospital in rebel-held Aleppo - June 10 2016 - Palestinian.com

Three weeks after the "last children’s hospital" in east Aleppo was destroyed in a bomb attack, the "last children’s hospital" in Aleppo was destroyed in a bomb attack.

Four new-born babies were killed after a recent triple airstrike hit besieged Aleppo’s last children’s hospital, Middle East Eye can reveal.
EXCLUSIVE: Four babies killed in attack on Aleppo's 'last children's hospital' - July 31 2016, Middle East Eye


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A Russian airstrike reportedly knocked out of service the last major hospital in rebel-held northern Aleppo out of commission last week, killing a doctor, a patient and wounding dozens more.

The Andan Charitable Hospital, founded in early 2013, had specialists from all fields on staff, from orthopedic surgeons to dermatologists, ...
First responder: Last major north Aleppo hospital destroyed by Russian airstrike - February 3 2016 - Syria direct

Four month after the "last hospital" in Andan (also transliterated as Anadan) was destroyed in a bomb attack, the "last hospital" in Andan was destroyed in a bomb attack.

Anadan Hospital hit by Air Strike in Northern Aleppo at approximately 11pm Damascus time on July 30, 2016. The hospital was the last operating in Western Rural Aleppo. UOSSM supports the Anadan Hospital with medicine and supplies.
Anadan Hospital Just Hit By Air Strike, Northern Aleppo - July 30 2016 - Reliefweb

Could there be something fishy with all these reports about "hospitals destroyed in Russian air attacks"?

Update:

From various sources:

  • The Anadan hospital in the last report was likely indeed damaged, not destroyed, due to an air strike.
  • The hospital was not the target of the damaging airstrike.
  • According to various reports the facility was a "makeshift hospital". It was not a regular medical structure build and known as a hospital. There is no information that it was either marked or registered with the war parties.
  • The strike targeted and killed an al-Qaeda commander from Saudi Arabia as well as other al-Qaeda members. Via SOHR:
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights was informed that unidentified warplanes targeted the area of Kafr Takharim hospital in the northwestern countryside of Idlib, and a Gulf national commander in the front of Fath al-Sham (the organization of al-Qaeda in the Levant previously) was killed, and confirmed information about other casualties in the same targeting, and due to the targeting the hospital got out of work, the hospital, its equipment and devices suffered physical damage.

Posted by b on July 31, 2016 at 08:11 AM | Permalink

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Wonder if the ruskij pilots are mostly doped by some drug...

Posted by: Ejnar Ekström | Jul 31, 2016 8:24:46 AM | 1

This distraction is hardly surprising since the US has finally admitted killing civialians in air strikes.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/u-s-admits-killing-civilians-syria-iraq-says-14-died-9-months/

Posted by: Yonatan | Jul 31, 2016 8:37:27 AM | 2

b;
Could there be something fishy with all these reports about "hospitals destroyed in Russian air attacks"?

I for one, do not believe Russia's air-force is doing this.
We'll have to see how this washes out over (hopefully) a short time.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jul 31, 2016 8:54:31 AM | 3

Of course we all know by now that 90% of the output of the Captured Globalist Media (CGM) is pure lies. And there exists an army of Internet Globalist Obfuscation Warriors (IGOWs) that posts endless lies and distortions.

At some point we should stop whipping this very dead horse!

Posted by: blues | Jul 31, 2016 9:01:06 AM | 4

Few people in Aleppo believe guarantees of safe passage from a government that has for years bombed civilian targets including hospitals, markets and schools, says American-Syrian doctor Zaher Sahloul, who left the city days before it was totally cut off.

“How can you trust a government that is bombing you every day? I am not talking about bombing fighters, I am talking about bombing children and hospitals,” said Sahloul, who has visited Aleppo several times as a volunteer medic over the past four years. “But they are the same people who are saying ‘you can come out safely’.”https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/30/aleppo-fear-safe-passage-trap
How did he leave safely? This is all propaganda, hopefully most people can see right through it. The west and its proxy forces are thrashing about in bewildered impotence.

Posted by: harrylaw | Jul 31, 2016 9:10:09 AM | 5

I could be wrong, but I think these allegations about Russia bombing hospitals started after the US bombed that MSF hospital.

Posted by: tony | Jul 31, 2016 9:32:48 AM | 6

Could there be something fishy with all these reports about "hospitals destroyed in Russian air attacks"?

If you mean reports from (Jewish-occupied) palestine.com, and Middle East(Rabb)eye.com, then the answer is emphatically YES (I can smell it from here).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 31, 2016 9:58:04 AM | 7

In fact it's OK to presume that a hospital which is being destroyed weekly is also being destroyed weakly - if at all.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 31, 2016 10:06:04 AM | 8

We're in the middle of a total, multifaceted smear Russia campaign. Where we might see Putin as owning the steadiest hand, joe sixpack in the western street is very much 'ah, I'm not sure about that Putin, unpredictable I reckon...you cant just take a country by force...and look at the athletes, outrageous, these Russians have been doping for half a century.' Blind. It's not so much Cold War 2.0 as the collapse of the USSR never happened. Layers of bullshit, from initial smear to building an elaborate backstory to suit, until it's the truth.

The only ideological enemies the neo-lib-cons can whip up fear and frenzy against is imaginary boogeymen who can be allies or foes depending on what suits. Stuck in the 20th century. These psycho-capitalists' are a step ahead at the moment I fear, they know they are at the end of the line - I just wonder if the rest of the west can see through the bullshit and get through a global financial reset which should have happened 7-8 years ago without triggering full scale war. Europe just disappoints, so much of what is happening is indirectly adversely affecting it yet no one says a word of what exactly is the cause.

Russia is cleaning house in Syria in correct fashion, in full collaboration with local partners. In time I hope it brings a conclusion to the civil war that is suitable to all Syrians and displays to the world an alternative to what is happening in Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and the countless other states who failed in their fight against democratic capitalisms' covert machinery.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jul 31, 2016 10:46:21 AM | 9

As the collapse of the 'rebels' is nearing, we expect a flurry of 'war crimes', 'massacres', 'hospital bombed', 'Children killed' reported by the desperate media funded by Saudi Arabia, US and Israel.
The trouble is that readers do not care anymore about these news. After been exposed for 5 years to such dramatic events, real or fabricated, indifference is prevailing...
The USA and Saudi Arabia must quickly find something else to taint the imminent victory of the Syrian army, the Hezbollah, Iran and the Russians. Time is running out..

Posted by: virgile | Jul 31, 2016 10:50:25 AM | 10

It's an arabic transliteration problem. In arabic last is "آخر" in english it's roughly ah-car. The source thinks they mean car hospital, the arabic phrase for mechanic shop. This comedy of errors is repeated once a week or so.

Posted by: Cresty | Jul 31, 2016 10:57:00 AM | 11

thanks b... ''last western propaganda outlet bombed by b'' week after week... wishful thinking here, but you do a pretty good job on this regardless...

Posted by: james | Jul 31, 2016 10:57:43 AM | 12

Yahoo News proclaims with caption and photo of Hillary making a fist pointing with bent index finger touching thumb:

"Clinton says Russia Hacked DNC Servers"

"Hillary Clinton also accused Donald Trump of showing support for Russian President Vladimir Putin."

Then bold font: "raises national security issues".


Can they keep beating this horse for three months? Seems they plan to do that. Boogie man Putin, mix in some false flag shooting events, boogie man ISIS news, etc.


Posted by: fast freddy | Jul 31, 2016 12:15:23 PM | 13

Do we really have to go along with calling them fath al sham? Wasn't al Nusra good enough?

Posted by: wwinsti | Jul 31, 2016 12:21:18 PM | 14

Here we go again. I am reposting this;

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/29/my-fellow-americans-we-are-fools/

Sometimes the truth is hard to swallow. Maybe the Russkies are at fault. I doubt it. Especially given that Americans actually seem to want Hillary as their President ... a war monger in a long line of war mongers doing the will of the rapacious American populace.

The only issue is "how complicit am I?" Ask that question of yourselves ... voters for lessor evil (the evil is still evil). And look where it has gotten us.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 31, 2016 12:31:55 PM | 15

b, do you vote for Trump, or are you too left, progressive, democratic, intellectual, warmongering?

https://twitter.com/BertBervoets

Posted by: From The Hague | Jul 31, 2016 12:51:53 PM | 16

Could there be something fishy with all these reports about "hospitals destroyed in Russian air attacks"?


All part of the global propaganda project to smear and demonize Mr. Putin.


Banzai over at zh has this take. “he is everywhere and when you get to the scene of the crime he’s not there."

“MacVladimir The Cat: The Napoleon of Globalist Crime “

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-29/macvladimir-cat

Posted by: likklemore | Jul 31, 2016 1:12:35 PM | 17

@ 17:

Yep, the anti-Putin/Russian negative PR is endless. The corporate Empire will not tolerate any competitors....

Posted by: ben | Jul 31, 2016 2:10:51 PM | 18

color revo 1.0.1 courtesy of somebody in the open thread
"Throughout the night of the coup on 15 July, pan-Arab media based in Dubai including Sky News Arabic and Al Arabiya reported that the coup against Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the ruling Justice and Development Party had been successful."
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-uae-funnelled-money-turkish-coup-plotters-21441671

Posted by: Mina | Jul 31, 2016 2:36:54 PM | 19

It's amazing really how many hospitals those rebs have. Seems like so many have been destroyed over the years. One wonders how the air force even has time for their other favorite targets, schools, but they've managed to destroy so many of those. Who knew that Daesh was so dedicated to medicine and education. I don't understand though how those evil barrel bombers have failed to target the orphanages. I have yet to hear of any of them being bombed..

Posted by: Erik | Jul 31, 2016 3:10:10 PM | 20

I don't find it weird if they did bomb a hospital. I would do the same thing if I was Assad or Putin. The US dropped nuclear bombs and thermal bombs that incinerated entire Japanese cities.

In the ME-region it's also legion to station ammo depots in hospitals and Mosques to protect them or get good propaganda pictures if they are hit.

Even if they did not hit an actual hospital I fully believe opposing forces would lie about the fact.

Posted by: Arren | Jul 31, 2016 3:56:20 PM | 21

Aleppo has been continuously inhabited since at least the fourth millennium before Christ. the Americans are foolishly betting on the end of history.

...

"What do you do with the stones,...?"

Posted by: john | Jul 31, 2016 4:28:27 PM | 22

Where's the outrage over incompetent France bombing 120 civilians to death in a deliberate revenge attack over the Nice truck massacre?

Posted by: bbbb | Jul 31, 2016 5:07:56 PM | 23

It seems that Occam's Razor is needed here to answer B's question.

The Western corporate media is a huge believer in sustainability and preserving the environment. One of the principles of sustainability is recycling what you've already used (and reused).

In short: garbage in, garbage out.

This helps to preserve the environment in which the MSM operates (and is stuck).

Posted by: Jen | Jul 31, 2016 6:26:33 PM | 24

News agencies can write any sort of articles about Syria that they want, since they know that their readership is generally clueless.

I tried not to be clueless but gave up trying to follow events ages ago.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 31, 2016 6:27:06 PM | 25

...
"Clinton says Russia Hacked DNC Servers"
"Hillary Clinton also accused Donald Trump of showing support for Russian President Vladimir Putin."
...
Posted by: fast freddy | Jul 31, 2016 12:15:23 PM | 13

Apart from any other afflictions Crooked Hillary may have contracted, she's clearly suffering from a severe dose of Mad Cow Disease.
Whether her curious disregard for the State Dept rules of email security was deliberate or accidental, the fact remains that she's the very LAST person from whom anyone would seek advice on computers and computing.
But today, she's an expert?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 31, 2016 7:27:43 PM | 26

Right on, QuickFred and LaryngiticOne! Thanks to both for your consistently insightful comments.

Posted by: Captain Cook | Jul 31, 2016 7:47:38 PM | 27

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Paul Craig Roberts makes the same presstitute assertion concerning Russia, as it now appears that NSA and their Israeli subcontractor to AT&T were the real source of the DNC leaks. Yet nobody, nobody, talks about the 2015 theft of $50B by US Congress, with $35B of that to 'backstop the verticals' for the Israeli junta in Kiev's defaulting IMF-loan junkbonds, and the remaining $15B 'backstopping the horizontals' for WB loans to the Israeli junta in Kiev's upgrade of E Ukraine roads and bridges to heavy military load capacity, or the increasing metadiabolic reference to 'Crimea', a drumbeat to war, growing day by day, and ever closer as the price of crude oil slides lower.

Posted by: Cho Nyawinh | Jul 31, 2016 7:56:24 PM | 28

http://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/publication/counter-hegemonic-news

A good read...

Posted by: Cho Nyawinh | Jul 31, 2016 8:06:31 PM | 29

@15 rg the lg - thank you. Yes. It takes an actress to address the masses. Probably wasted words, she's not a star anymore, but I love good phrasing and it's enormously good to hear the truth screamed out sometimes against the propaganda:

And there you all are tonight, glued to your TVs and your computers, your hearts swelled with pride because you belong to the strongest country on Earth, cheering on your Murderer President. Ignorant of the entire world’s repulsion. You kill and you kill and you kill, and still you remain proud.

We are fools.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 31, 2016 9:49:20 PM | 30

The propaganda - it hurts. How about some truth instead? They can lie all they want but the truth on the ground is continuing to proceed at the pace of reality, faster than their narratives can credibly keep up.

I really like the analyst Scott, over at the Saker. I won't give the link because that doesn't work on this blog. But he says this in the first two paragraphs of his latest sitrep today:

In response to the US and Israel shooting down Russian jet and recently shooting down the helicopter, Russia’s long range bombers bombed the US and UK training camps for ISIS terrorists on the border with Jordan. Prior, these camps weren’t targeted by Russia per agreement with the US. Interesting to note that the first time Russia bombed the training camps on June 16th, after that Germany and the US had hysterical fits demanding immediate ceasefire in Syria. In response to their demand, Russia’s bombers went the following day and bombed those training camps again.

Needless to say that by willfully and maliciously shooting down the Russian fighter jet, and the helicopter, the US crossed the redline. After June and July failed anti-government coups in Turkey, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, and Armenia facilitated by the US, all the bets are off. Russia is bombing the western coalition in Syria, outright. As of the end of July all the US, and NATO suspended all the operation in Syria.

People wonder what will happen if the US pushes Russia too much, into nuclear war or something. But Russia updated its war doctrine last year, and everything is laid out clearly. Consequences occur far before it goes nuclear. And even then it only goes nuke in stages. But there is no reverse gear in the Russian position. The fact is that the US is already pushing, and this is the response. The US is throwing itself onto Russian bayonets. And Putin has said out loud and formally (link is in Scott's sitrep) that if any US personnel are killed accidentally in Syria, the fault must lie with the Pentagon.

This is how the ground is moving, in reality. So let us be cheered by this. And if I were wounded in this theater, I would seek out one of Syria's real hospitals, rather than one of the US coalition's fake ones.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 31, 2016 10:08:23 PM | 31

This is TOT, but cogent to b's post, ...

So I was walking around in the early AM back streets of my personal 3W mission, in the cool morning air, little street shops and food vendor push carts, and kids in rags waving, 'Hello! Hello! Hello!'. I got a coconut waffle and fruit soda for a few rupiah, and watched butterflies chasing the last dew beside an open flowing sewage canal.

It was a good day to be vertical.

Found this ramshackle warehouse building with corrugated metal fence, so that you couldn't see inside. But my ears recognized the familiar skateboard park sound, and after looking in through the lock-holes, one of the fairly well-dressed young kids let me in.

Thinking what a great mission concept to send photos of this secret skate park to my mission buddy in Kabul, no sooner did I pull out my cammie, than a large white hand covered the lens, and a big White Fellah was asking who are you, and how did you get in, and this was a closed group for NGO and ambassadorial kids only, you have to leave, no observers allowed.

He showed me back to a 3W dirt road crowded with their new Land Rovers, Lexus and Toyota Tundras, sporting NGO and ambassador plates, as poor tuk tuks and push carts made their way slowly around them, in search of alpha.

I headed off walking slowly back in the dust and glare.

Then I truly understood the meaning of Exceptionals, the Elites, the Entitleds of Mil.Gov.Fed, and why there's not a snowflake's chance in hell now of saving the American Republic, or EU member states ordinary working folks, who send 1/3 to 1/2 of their annual income to these Ubers, and their global pogrom of hegemonic gated communities.

"We won, you lost. We're the Exceptionals, get over it. Now get off our $T Gamma."

And from our vaunted Western media? "Oh, look a белка рыжий!"

Posted by: Cho Nyawinh | Aug 1, 2016 12:17:16 AM | 32

Cho Nyawinh | Aug 1, 2016 12:17:16 AM | 32

A red squirrel?

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 1, 2016 12:46:19 AM | 33

...and yes, we did lose. We'll not get it back in this iteration either.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 1, 2016 12:48:53 AM | 34

This is funny.

Remember all those times that airstrikes killed the 'number two official' of Al Qaeda? At least that had a certain logic on its side - as long as Al Qaeda has more than two members in total, by definition there will always be a number two person! - but equally silly.

But neoliberal propaganda is not about logic, but mass effect and the power of repetition. Caught in a lie or a logical non-sequitur? Doesn't matter. So what. Our voices are like the buzzing of flies to Viggo.

Posted by: TG | Aug 1, 2016 3:10:24 AM | 35

Just read a dreadful propaganda piece in the Guardian by Natalie Nougayrede https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/31/forces-aleppo-mourns-terror-assad-victims-syrian-anger-isis In it she tells of between 200,000 and 300,000 civilians trapped in east Aleppo. In fact the Guardian said last year only 40,000 civilians were in east Aleppo.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/12/worst-place-in-world-aleppo-ruins-four-years-syria-war I have just read many of the comments, virtually every one condemns the article. Worth a look at what passes for western journalism.

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 1, 2016 7:35:15 AM | 36

As long as Putin plays games(pingpong dimplomacy with Kerry and the rest) with the Syrian war, nothing will change. I'm convinced that nothing short of a Grozny option in places like Idlib, Raqqah and East Aleppo will end the war. These rats don't understand the concept of negtiations and reconcillation.

The Turkish, Qatar, Saudi rats shot down a Russian helicopter today in Idlib.. Putin wants to negotiate with these guys. The pics I've seen are too graphic to post online..

Posted by: Zico | Aug 1, 2016 8:01:28 AM | 37

But neoliberal propaganda is not about logic, but mass effect and the power of repetition. Caught in a lie or a logical non-sequitur? Doesn't matter. So what. Our voices are like the buzzing of flies to Viggo.

Posted by: TG | Aug 1, 2016 3:10:24 AM | 35

The blue collar people see it on tv and the egg heads hear it on NPR or read it in the NYT and they believe it and they talk about it as if it were true.

It is not easy to respond to them in a gentle way. When I do respond, I suppose that I appear to be disconnected or ignorant.

I am not worried about terror events as they are identified and described by the PTB.

I am a bit concerned about the PTB. For example when this slipped out: there weren't any deaths at Club Gay until the Goon Squad showed up.

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 1, 2016 8:10:06 AM | 38

“This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of one world government. National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept.”
― Zbigniew Brzeziński


“Because you can't intervene everywhere, you don't conclude you can't intervene anywhere.”
― Zbigniew Brzeziński

Shortly, the public will be unable to reason or think for themselves. They'll only be able to parrot the information they've been given on the previous night's news.
Zbigniew Brzezinski

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 1, 2016 8:18:43 AM | 39

fast freddy | Aug 1, 2016 8:18:43 AM | 39
Shortly, the public will be unable to reason or think for themselves. They'll only be able to parrot the information they've been given on the previous night's news.
Zbigniew Brzezinski

Never all of us; and as long as travel is possible, some will find refuge elswhere.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 1, 2016 8:27:09 AM | 40

@29
A big read. And a totally natural domestic reaction, especially in Telesur's case. Though, much of the rest of the world has a few decades of catching up to do to at least partially drown out what can be considered a series of West-Imperial Infomercials... paid for and programmed by the oligarchy, backed by US mercenaries on outdated aircraft carriers celebrated as 'Defenders of The Free Market', backed by Synthesise Debt, Print Money, Start War formula...

...and passed off as world news.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Aug 1, 2016 9:41:04 AM | 41

Again,why people fail to note that the so called neoliberal press is really a Zionist press,every goddamn one of them,and Trump has to combat their lies every day,with no media help.outside of the web.
The only good news is,no one believes them any more,and Trumps calls for non intervention and better Russian relations are totally backed by most of our electorate,because believe it or not,Americans don't want to melt in a nuclear fire.
But of course those Israelis have their iron dome and deep bunkers,and will be safe.Wackos.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 1, 2016 10:00:39 AM | 42

dahoit@42 "But of course the Israelis have their iron dome" Except it does not work. "During the November 2012 conflict, a detailed review of a large number of photographs of Iron Dome interceptor contrails revealed that the rocket-defense system's success rate was very low—as low as 5 percent or, perhaps, even less". http://thebulletin.org/evidence-shows-iron-dome-not-working7318 Theodore Postol is Professor of Science and National Security Policy at MIT and expert in ballistic missile defence technology. Hezbollah have over 100,000 missiles, many with GPS guidance systems, thanks to Iran. So maybe the Israelis would be better off spending the 40 billion they are to receive off the US taxpayer over the next 10 years, building a 2 mile high wall.

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 1, 2016 10:41:54 AM | 43

Just in: Obama the warcriminal also bombs Libya, MSM is cheering, sickening
https://www.rt.com/usa/354170-us-strikes-libya-isis/

Posted by: Rob Ah | Aug 1, 2016 11:42:53 AM | 44

@37 they will continue to have their human 'shield' get chipped away, as the humanitarian corridors remain, and all of the trapped or disgruntled civilians rabbit off. next will be the constant cauldron tightening that means more directed firepower on a more constant basis. It will become more accurately lethal as it will expose the enemy more. For now the plan is probably to be to get civilians out first, and counter-attack hard when raids occur

Posted by: bbbb | Aug 1, 2016 12:32:52 PM | 45

The escalation of anti-Russian prop (remember Saddam and babies in incubators..) takes place because in many ways it isn’t working (> US, EU.)

The first stab, largely pegged on cultural/identity politics, petty grievances and criticisms of the RF political system (1) is no longer effective as many ppl now DO compare Russia to (e.g.) KSA..

It is now common to state yeah well who knows but what about Saudi Arabia? They are our allies and are ‘far worse’ than Russia? This point is made over and over again by pundits. (Imho that is one reason the US let those 28 pages be published, these pages have zero importance information-wise and will not affect US-KSA relations beyond public bluster, just a mirage for the public, to show that yes we can follow procedures and bash KSA.)

So how is the anti-Russian prop to proceed? Accusations about bombing hospitals are part of the old play-book. Which is increasingly tattered, derided, mocked.

Stab 2, What is left is fact-less demonisation: Putin intends to, may, plans to, etc. / take over the Baltics, imprison gays, hack Killary some more, kill masses of Poles, manipulate the US elections, etc. The hysteria and ridiculous stupidity is front stage and hopefully many do see through it. This approach though is quite effective, as it plugs into back-yard thinking lines. (Joe will divorce Mary as soon as she gives birth … he has it all planned out..but hush..)

1. Russia represses Artistic Stuff (e.g. Pussy Riot), Religion (latest laws), Sexual Freedom, Gays (remember Sotchi), squashes political opposition, no free democracy, etc.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 1, 2016 12:35:29 PM | 46

...
Never all of us; and as long as travel is possible, some will find refuge elswhere.
Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 1, 2016 8:27:09 AM | 40

"Refuge elsewhere" is an expression of pre-emptive surrender to the NWO. They may seem to be winning but the MSM's job is to play the role of the NWO's rose-tinted spectacles by either deflecting attention from their failures or lying about the blunders which couldn't be covered up. They're only human(?) and they're very cowardly and they make mistakes.

It's not true, as earlier commenters have stated here, that it's impossible to educate the brainwashed. Rome wasn't built in a day and the most reliable way to un-brainwash ppl is to do it a little at a time. It's tempting, when attempting to explain "how it really is" to a member of the brainwashed, to respond to scepticism by adding 'more supporting info' i.e. Too Much.

A better approach is to keep quiet and speak ONLY of an obvious blunder/inconsistency/lie and nothing else. It would be nice to be able to convert gullibles in large quantities, in one shot, but that would be forgetting that the NWO didn't get us to where we are in one shot. Drawing attention to OBVIOUS Blunders, Inconsistencies and Lies will work just as well in neutralising the NWO as those same lies worked for them against us. It won't be quick but one step at a time works for anyone and everyone.
(No offense intended).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 1, 2016 5:17:52 PM | 47

And a footnote.
I've always been sceptical of the NWO conspiracy theory. However, the creation of the EU, an unelected supranational body which can be bribed and can over-rule decisions taken by sovereign (bribed) member governments, transforms the NWO from the fringe of Conspiracy Theory to the centre of 'Coincidence' Theory...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 1, 2016 5:34:57 PM | 48

@46, noirette, 'Russia represses Artistic Stuff (e.g. Pussy Riot), Religion (latest laws), Sexual Freedom, Gays (remember Sotchi), squashes political opposition, no free democracy, etc.'

Not only do people compare Russia to the KSA, that stuff really relies on the tie-in to the USSR - 'Russia' - and all the sunk prop bucks of that effort. 1991 was a quarter-century ago. There's a whole generation that has not that well of reflexive revulsion built-up over the 40 and more years of 2-minute hates it took to fill it. Have a look at The Russians are Coming (1966) ... that sappy comedy cum cameo Romeo and Juliet, with the ending concocted from a conflation of the 1934 version of The Man Who Knew Too Much and the The Snow Goose, throws Hillary and her Harried bankrupt Harridans into bold, absurd relief. And when their 'spell' fails to take, falls flat in fact, the obvious reasons for its sorry attempted fake will become glaringly obvious.

Americans, think of the future beyond 2016, vote 3rd party and/or write-in your choice, the result can only help us all recognize ourselves and unite ... and can't help but hurt H and hHbH's.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 1, 2016 7:52:53 PM | 49

"A better approach is to keep quiet and speak ONLY of an obvious blunder/inconsistency/lie and nothing else. "

Good idea. I try to do the same sometimes. Other times, I play on their greed. Several years ago I came to work and all I heard was demonization of Iran. It was making me sick to my stomach. I knew I couldn't successfully argue or reason with them. But I knew I could probably shut their mouths. I was emphatic, "DO YOU REALLY WANT A WAR WITH IRAN? Well, be prepared to pay twice as much for gasoline soon after it starts. I DON'T WANT $5-6 A GALLON GASOLINE! DO YOU?"

As I suspected, it worked great. I never heard another word about Iran from them.

It's sickening that large portions of the populace by into the propaganda.

Posted by: JethroZeppelin | Aug 2, 2016 12:30:00 AM | 50

Posted by: JethroZeppelin | Aug 2, 2016 12:30:00 AM | 50

Yep. There are probably lots of ideas that are worth a try, besides yours and mine. The main thing is to look beyond the fog of Mock War and remember that the would-be Masters of The Universe don't qualify as geniuses. We should all be vigilant in identifying and broadcasting their mis-steps/ mis-speaks. Poking holes in the Tall Poppy Syndrome can become an entertaining (and contagious) hobby.
It's all very Kardashian-ish when you dig beneath the Born To Rule bluster...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 2, 2016 2:40:24 AM | 51

Somewhat related to this topic, would any one care to comment/inform on the news today in Press TV that UK has bombed
a palace in Iraq - and, more importantly, "According to a report published in early June in the Times, british troops have been frequently (!) crossing into Syria [from Iraq] to support the so-called New Syrian Army (NSA).."

Technically, isn't this invasion actually an act of war? And aren't the french also bombing in Syria? And isn't that also, technically, an act of war? Forgive my ignorance and/or naivety. the double standard seems to have crumbled into no standard at all.

Thank you all in advance, and retrospectively, for thoughtful and thought provoking posts.

Ms. Lacy to you.

Posted by: norma lacy | Aug 3, 2016 11:42:47 AM | 52

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