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July 05, 2016

Clinton Offers New Contract To Attorney General - Escapes Indictment

Hillary Clinton is under federal investigation for using her private, insecure email server for classified State business. Anybody else handling classified official material on a private server would have at least lost their job and would likely be indicted. But Clinton is not anybody else. She has strings to pull. She has offers to make. And she is successfully doing such. Let's follow the trail.

Loretta Lynch held private talks with Bill Clinton aboard a plane in Phoenix while her department investigates Hillary

Attorney General Loretta Lynch, whose agency is investigating Hillary Clinton's email practices, spent about 30 minutes meeting with President Clinton while both of them were separately passing through Phoenix.

Clinton had landed ahead of the nation's top law enforcement officer, and waited for her arrival, a local affiliate ABC15 reported.

Lynch was in town for an event on community policing.

Clinton learned of her arrival, and decided to wait so they could meet, sources told the station.

'I did see President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as he was leaving and spoke to myself and my husband on the plane,' Lynch said at a press conference when asked about the prolonged chat, which took place aboard a jet on the tarmac.

Clinton claimed he was in Phoenix for playing golf. It was some 106 degree Fahrenheit in Phoenix that day. Having been in and around Phoenix in such weather I am sure no one went for any longer walk during that day, or played golf.

After some media outrage Lynch tried to wiggle herself out of the calamity:

Attorney General Loretta Lynch said Friday that she will accept the decision of career prosecutors, investigators and FBI Director James Comey on whether to bring criminal charges in the ongoing investigation of Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of State.

The unusual public announcement during an event in Aspen, Colo., comes as the attorney general faces a storm of criticism related to an awkward encounter with former president Bill Clinton after the two crossed paths earlier this week at Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport.

Then, two days ago, the NYT had a piece on Clinton that mentions in passing a renewed job offer for Loretta Lynch should Clinton become president:

Democrats close to Mrs. Clinton say she may decide to retain Ms. Lynch, the nation’s first black woman to be attorney general, who took office in April 2015.

One and one is two. Lynch read that message and the director of the FBI, which is responsible to the Attorney General for its operations, received appropriate signals. The result:

F.B.I. Recommends No Charges Against Hillary Clinton for Use of Personal Email

The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, on Tuesday said the F.B.I. is recommending no charges against Hillary Clinton for her use of a personal email server while secretary of state.

The statement by Mr. Comey concluded an investigation that began a year ago when the inspector general for the intelligence agencies told the Justice Department that he had found classified information among a small sampling of emails Mrs. Clinton had sent and received.

Comey also said this, which makes it clear that this is a very "special case" that would not pass the usually used criteria:

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

Clinton broke the law, but the FBI finds "no intent" of her doing so. Willfully setting up a private email server for state business is against laws and regulations. Clinton did so for purely egoistic reasons. But that is not "intent" says Comey.  Knowingly sending and receiving Top Secret information through it is not "intent" as the FBI defines it in this case. Other knowledgeable people differ. Destroying her State Department schedules must also have been without Clinton's "intent". Sure. As some Clinton once said, "it depends on what the meaning of the word is is."

The Clinton campaign is currently trying to smear Donald Trump as antisemitic because of some graphic his intern handling his Twitter account sent around. It depicted Clinton as bribable with money in the background and it included a red star. Now a red star is the insignia of the 6th Infantry Division, or just a red star from a clip art library, but the Clinton campaign and its followers alleged that the red star was signaling that Jews are bribing Clinton, which they do, after the yellow star used to mark Jews in the Nazi area. It is a typical smear campaign against Trump or anyone who does not prostate enough at relevant altar. But is that graphic really antisemitic and its misinterpretation Trump's fault?

Make no mistake about it, the Trump campaign has a serious antisemitism problem. But the question is, how much of it is Trump and how much of it is his supporters, and how much is torched off courtesy of Clinton, Trump’s myriad other political enemies, and a hostile media.

Is Trump the active impresario of an anti-Semitic movement?

The evidence seems to indicate otherwise.

Clinton's arrogant email handling and the string-pulling that saved her from indictment can not be attributed to some Trumpian antisemitism issue. Bringing that up was a diversion.

If the Trump campaign has some serious marketing players they will hammer home from now to November that Clinton's lax handling of message security is a danger to the nation and that her and her husband's seemingly crocked manipulations to escape indictment is disqualifying her for any higher job. Additionally a judge ruled today that Clinton's "private" emails will be open to FOIA requests. Some dirt will be found in them.

I find it quite possible that such a campaign would turn away enough voters from her to let her lose the general election.

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Thanks for the posting. I still think Clinton II will not make it to/out of the Democratic convention but only have my gut telling me this strongly. That said, I agree with your assessment that Trump can smear Clinton II with enough of her past reality to win the election.

And then look at where we will be. On the cusp of a major repression/evolution period with a tin pot dictator. What could go right?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5, 2016 12:28:19 PM | 1

Got it. The Message was delivered from the Phoenix tarmac. No charges in HRC’s email-gate. OR Else: There will be an offing.

Shouldn't General David Petraeus' 2 year probation be lifted and his $100,000 fine be returned with interest? To be fair; Just asking.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/23/politics/david-petraeus-sentencing/

By Theodore Schleifer, CNN

Updated 5:13 PM ET, Thu April 23, 2015

Washington (CNN) Gen. David Petraeus, once a widely celebrated military leader who oversaw operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and was touted as a potential presidential candidate, was sentenced to serve two years on probation and to pay an $100,000 fine on Thursday for sharing classified information with his biographer and lover, Paula Broadwell.

[..] Petraeus, who resigned as director of the Central Intelligence Agency in November 2012 after the relationship became public, avoided jail time as part of a plea deal. Prosecutors agreed to not send Petraeus to jail because the classified information was never released to the public or published in the biography of him that Broadwell wrote.

~ ~ ~
The Corrupters allowed to walk again.

“the classified information was not released to the public”
Now, wouldn’t it be rich if some hackers released more HRC’s emails including the top secrets. ..just after the Convention?

Posted by: likklemore | Jul 5, 2016 12:28:45 PM | 2

blessing from above....

http://space4peace.blogspot.com/2016/07/blessings-from-on-high.html

Posted by: denk | Jul 5, 2016 12:44:08 PM | 3

The fix was in from the beginning. The US continues its recent tradition where the rule of law does not apply to the political, financial and governmental elite. A classic banana republic.

Posted by: ab initio | Jul 5, 2016 12:51:11 PM | 4

My pet theory is that Lynch received a report from the FBI detailing what they know and that Lynch provided that report to Bill.

Thus armed, Hillary tailored her answers in the FBI interview so that there were no 'gotcha' moments - ultimately leading to the recommendation that no charges be filed.

I think this is why FBI Dir. Comey gave a news conference so soon after the interview (spoiling Hillary-Obama's first day of campaigning!) and why he his remarks went well beyond a simple statement..

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 5, 2016 12:52:44 PM | 5

Trump's campaign should have replaced the star with a multi-religious symbol, and that would have been more inclusive.

Posted by: anon | Jul 5, 2016 12:56:40 PM | 6

one plus one equals two.. what's not to like about crony capitalism running the usa regime? at least they have their guns, movies and political royalty.. i'm not sure which pacifies them more.. soothers would be less expensive..

Posted by: james | Jul 5, 2016 1:01:42 PM | 7

The following part of Comey's statement reminds me of the Supreme Court's explicit warning that their decision to install George W. Bush as president could not be considered a precedent with ramifications for future presidential elections.

Come: 'To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary...'

In short, we can do whatever we want and you have to do as we say. Either shape up or ship out. How could there be anything wrong with that?

Posted by: Quentin | Jul 5, 2016 1:02:50 PM | 8

Curious accusation, Donald Trump is antisemitic. His daughter Ivanka married a Jewish man, Jared Kuschner, and converted to Judaism, so her children are also Jewish. None of this fits together.

Posted by: Quentin | Jul 5, 2016 1:11:17 PM | 9

b,

This is just too interesting to not post. If you do a Google search 'Paris France riots 2016' you get information from the end of May 2016 to the beginning of June 2016. Any events after those dates have been sent down the 'memory hole' as if they did not occur. Hubris to the nth degree.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/france-protestors-rise-up-in-their-millions-against-ruling-class/

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 5, 2016 1:13:27 PM | 10

My previous comment @10 contains a link to a story re Paris riots. I intended to post this link, a Google search 'Paris France Riots 2016 ...

https://www.google.com/#q=paris+france+riots+2016

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 5, 2016 1:16:58 PM | 11

Ok I'm done - HOLD YOUR NOSE VOTE FOR TRUMP! I'm sick of the limousine liberal republic crap that we've had fostered upon us. The UK led the way as it voted for Brexit against an EU that behaves slightly better than the US government.

I think it's time for Americans on the fence to do the same


Voting for Trump could result in an absolute disaster, but voting, period, is almost a complete farcical activity, and having Hillary as our a-candidate in the 'left-wing' party, buttressed by full support by the smarmy cosmopolitan news+opinion media is an absolute disgrace.

Posted by: bbbb | Jul 5, 2016 1:17:02 PM | 12

...
Clinton claimed he was in Phoenix for playing golf. It was some 106 degree Fahrenheit in Phoenix that day. Having been in and around Phoenix in such weather I am sure no one went for any longer walk during that day, or played golf.

Arriving back at the Airport after a lousy game, Bill spotted Ms Lynch's plane and realised this was his last chance to score a hole in one before leaving Phoenix...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 5, 2016 1:28:58 PM | 13

It is a question of timing. As the democratic convention nears new knifes will be pulled out, and some of them deadly.
Will the Clinton corrupting "duo" make it at the White House or if it does, would it only be for a short time?
If I was Hillary I would hire much more body guards: So many people hate her to the point of wanting to get rid of her for good.

Posted by: virgile | Jul 5, 2016 1:32:54 PM | 14

I find it quite possible that such a campaign would turn away enough voters from her to let her lose the general election.

This is a fantasy. As RT reported about a month ago:

Most likely voters believe Clinton broke the law, half say run anyway

https://www.rt.com/usa/344988-poll-clinton-broke-law/

The average American is as unscrupulous & ethically devoid as Mrs. Clinton. If anything the "scandal" will endear her to the body politic.

Posted by: Mark | Jul 5, 2016 1:36:24 PM | 15

Wikileaks publishes 1,000 Clinton emails July 4, 2016 ...

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/?q=iraq

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 5, 2016 1:37:41 PM | 16

I am stunned. And not because I didn't expect this. Here is what I just posted on ZeroHedge:

Comey laid out a 100% air-tight case for a life-sentence felony conviction, and then said "no reasonable prosecuter would bring an indictment".

She is as good as convicted. You could say it was a pardon.

Posted by: blues | Jul 5, 2016 1:47:00 PM | 17

The Clintons, now too big to jail.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Jul 5, 2016 1:50:24 PM | 18

I f*cking knew it, which probably puts me squarely in the captain obvious camp on this particular blog. I'm laughing at all the pundits claiming an indictment was imminent for the last few weeks. What an absolute joke. The FBI must have got a lot of promises I'll bet, in addition to Lynch. I just wanna puke right now.

Posted by: Colinjames | Jul 5, 2016 1:52:44 PM | 19

b, what is your purpose in pursuing this?

Surely you can't be promoting the charlatan Trump as 'the lesser of two evils'?

Posted by: chet380 | Jul 5, 2016 1:52:45 PM | 20

Pasting what a fellow posted on the CD comment board on the article related to this event,

""Precedent" (DEJA VU) then BUSH acting AG / Deputy AG Jim Comey's March 16, 2004 Draft Resignation Letter: (Anybody besides me wonder how a "Loyal Bushie" became Obama's FBI Director?) "I was asked what I would do if I concluded that a course of action was fundamentally wrong and I could not convince my superiors of that fact....Over the last two weeks I have encountered just such an apocalyptic situation, where I and the Department of Justice have been asked to be part of something that is fundamentally wrong. As we have struggled over these last few days to do the right thing, I have never been prouder of the Department of Justice or of the Attorney General. Sadly, although I believe this has been one of the institution's finest hours, we have been unable to right that wrong...I would give much not to be in this position. But, as I told you during our private meeting last week, here I stand; I can do no other. Therefore, with a heavy heart and undiminished love of my country and my Department, I resign as Deputy Attorney General of the United States, effective immediately. Sincerely yours, James B. Comey." The next day he / they (FBI) had a meeting with W. Bush and they all had their minds changed. / So we watch this guy spend 20 minutes telling us how many Federal Criminal Laws / NATIONAL SECURITY she and her staff has broken. Then you tell us that it's impossible to prove intent. That is absurd, pathetic, cowardly and obscene. (Maybe reread the OATH you took to the Constitution and God)." http://commons.commondreams.org/t/fbi-recommends-no-consequences-for-clintons-reckless-email-handling/24678/21?u=enemyofwar

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 5, 2016 2:07:32 PM | 21

So, a tainted Hillary is elected president. After she is sworn in, and there is a Repub majority in the House, impeachment time!

I would think the choice of vice president for a Hillary administration is EXTREMELY important. The Corporatists now supporting Hillary will demand a Corporatist VP. Many of the Sanders supporters will not vote for her if she chooses a Corporatist VP.

Is a dilemma. For the voters, not for the Corporatist Dems.

Posted by: jawbone | Jul 5, 2016 2:08:38 PM | 22

There is one way that Trump is the lessor of two evils: she already has the blood of millions dripping from her hands before the election. What we don't know is if Trump will follow in the footsteps of the previous three fools in the WH and after his election rack up his own million deaths. Killing millions is now another trophy of being president.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Jul 5, 2016 2:10:06 PM | 23

@Quentin #8

spot on, I was about to write the same thing

pathetic attempts to proclaim loyalty to the rule of law while being instrumental in demolishing it

Posted by: claudio | Jul 5, 2016 2:14:22 PM | 24

jawbone @22--"So, a tainted Hillary is elected president. After she is sworn in, and there is a Repub majority in the House, impeachment time!"

I rather doubt they'll do their duty as HRC's the sort of neocon they love, even the Kochs have essentially endorsed her.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 5, 2016 2:16:04 PM | 25

AA @23--"Killing millions is now another trophy of being president."

Sorry to note that's been happening for much longer than just "the previous three fools."

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 5, 2016 2:19:22 PM | 26

The "lesser evil" problem is the "either-or" fallacy. Either one of them is worse or the other is. They both are. It's not "lesser of two evils." It's "different of two evils." Some say the world will end in fire, some in ice. Trump is the roaring fire, Clinton is the suffocating ice. Both end us up the same place, just different ways at different speeds. Freddy Krueger or Hannibal Lecter. Dismemberment by chain saw or scalpel. A gaping chest wound or gangrene. Going off that high mountain cliff at 500 mph or 400 mph. Either choice is just projecting one's personal fears, not dealing with reality, which is that our grandchildren will look at their conditions when adults and at this election of either Trump or Clinton with hatred and contempt for our stupidity at allowing things to evolve to this point and for relying on "lesser of two evils" arguments to perpetuate them.

Posted by: mc | Jul 5, 2016 2:21:54 PM | 27

Yes the wheels of the US government get more grease to carry on without the pesky DOJ slowing things down. Ford's legacy lives on in the continuing pardoning of all sins by top govt officials. We can't have the next president indited even before the primary can we? Trump may be a loudmouthed fool supported by the country's most notorious racists but HRC leaves him in the dust with her utter contempt to follow agreed upon protocols. Yes there are separate rules and laws for the upper crust and this case shows how far they extend.

Posted by: Ol' Hippy | Jul 5, 2016 2:25:07 PM | 28

Man, wake up! American elections are fixed to the gills. The money wants Hillary and they will put her in. She is the one slated to establish martial law. Unless, of course, there has been a change of mind in the last 25 years.
That said, the elections ARE fixed, why waste everyone's time yakking about them?

Posted by: Tony B. | Jul 5, 2016 2:27:50 PM | 29

Chet380 @ 20

In addition to my post @ 2;
Is there anything at all in these two posts at ZH
which escapes your comprehension?


“From Monica To Loretta - The Clintons Corrupt Absolutely”


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-04/monica-loretta-clintons-corrupt-absolutely

[.]
The explosive result shows the Clintons haven’t lost their touch for leaving destruction and chaos in their wake. The remarkable events also serve as a clear reminder that while the Clintons enriched themselves over the years, they were helping to bankrupt the public trust in its government and institutions. And they won’t stop until they’re stopped.

And

Rudy Giuliani: "Today Hillary Clinton Was Put Way Above The Law"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-05/rudy-giuliani-today-hillary-clinton-was-put-way-above-law

Giuliani: "This is an extremely hard conclusion to justify. People have been charged under these statues for far less than this but... when one is Hillary Clinton, the laws don't exactly apply like they do for ordinary people. .

~ ~ ~

Trump has been handed a lot of firepower. Oh for the debates. Perhaps Hillary's cough may deflect.

Posted by: likklemore | Jul 5, 2016 2:30:32 PM | 30

Sad day indeed and vexing hours to come, on all fronts, once HRC is elected and sworn in as POTUS.

My personal opinion is that women in Power are expeditive persons whose only concern is" Can I get away with it?"
Hillary loves to find ways to break the law. Re her stint as counselor to certain congressional entities in her first job.

She will spin her ways through the miseries of mankind wrought by her very ministrations. And as sower of wars galore
she will probably receive a Nobel Peace Prize for good measure.

"Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned", and even Obama should remember it, without counting countless others who
stepped on her toes or so she deemed.

Surely for all his bravado, Trump is a lesser evil. But I doubt he can win counter to the whims of the Establishment.

So, enjoy life while you can.

Posted by: CarlD | Jul 5, 2016 2:36:37 PM | 31

The Empire's choice not charged? Well, I'm really shocked......NOT!

Trump, Clinton, six or half a dozen. The evil Empire rolls on. Business as usual uber alles!

Tony B @ 29 said.."
" Man, wake up! American elections are fixed to the gills."

Yep, No doubt.
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=14545

Posted by: ben | Jul 5, 2016 2:42:56 PM | 32

Re: "Additionally a judge ruled today that Clinton's "private" emails will be open to FOIA requests. Some dirt will be found in them." Look at the history of FOIA requests for Clinton emails. The cases may be won, but the timeline for actually releasing the information in all cases so far is AFTER the November election--in one case 75 years from now according to the Unanimous Dissent podcast on Sputnik. Here's a link to the show that discusses this: Unanimous Dissent from July 4

Posted by: WorldBLee | Jul 5, 2016 2:45:55 PM | 33

An updated version of LBJ's famous "Daisy" ad might also be effective against a certain Goldwater girl.

Posted by: TPR | Jul 5, 2016 2:49:02 PM | 34

P.S. Rule of Law is not for the elites and well connected, not in the modern U$A.

" It's just business, get over it."

Posted by: ben | Jul 5, 2016 2:49:32 PM | 35

The despicable Trump already gave an affective trashing re Benghazi ( shameful and partially inneffecive that Trump included so many lies and fantasies in his speech ) against the Master mass murderous criminal of a destroyed Libya - in Hitlery Clinton. And to what public affect ? Not much effect Mostly thanks to the complicit war criminal propagandising mass media.

And I'm supposed to believe that these emails are going to be a big deal in most of the publics mind ? Most of the US population already have some evil in their hearts when it comes to politics. Adhearing to "lesser evilism" betrays that the adherent is being evil themselves when they, defend, propagandise for, protect, support and then finally vote for evil. Fucking themselves over in the short and midterm.

Posted by: tom | Jul 5, 2016 2:51:03 PM | 36

Use the law to destroy the law.
The current scene is a teaching- moment of this behavior.

Posted by: chu-teh | Jul 5, 2016 2:56:27 PM | 37

MoA posteratti. Mark your calendars.

Thursday July 14, 2016. Bastille Day. The Day Paris burns.

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 5, 2016 3:04:39 PM | 38

The Link to Director Comey's statement got mixed up apparently. There is a press release online, and I think it's worth reading in full. I loved the subtlety…

What I would like to do today is tell you three things: what we did; what we found; and what we are recommending to the Department of Justice.

[…]

So, first, what we have done:

[…]

That’s what we have done. Now let me tell you what we found:

[…]

So that’s what we found. Finally, with respect to our recommendation to the Department of Justice:

[…]

I know there will be intense public debate in the wake of this recommendation, as there was throughout this investigation. What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.

I know there were many opinions expressed by people who were not part of the investigation—including people in government—but none of that mattered to us. Opinions are irrelevant, and they were all uninformed by insight into our investigation, because we did the investigation the right way. Only facts matter, and the FBI found them here in an entirely apolitical and professional way.

I couldn’t be prouder to be part of this organization.

Posted by: jaqwith | Jul 5, 2016 3:19:18 PM | 39

Wikileaks appears to have a substantial amount of information on Clinton, having already released a large archive of Clinton’s emails earlier in the year. Breitbart has previously reported on Julian Assange’s claims that Google is complicit in the managing of Clintons online media campaign.

Released only a week after Bill Clinton’s meeting with Attorney General, Loretta Lynch and a day after Huma Abedins admission that Hillary Clinton had burned daily schedules, the contents of Hillary’s released emails, containing multiple interactions between Clinton and multiple white house officials, could be extremely damaging to Clinton’s current presidential campaign.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has previously stated that he has multiple leaks in store for Clinton and, as a free speech fundamentalist, believes that a Clinton presidency could be damaging.

source - http://www.globalresearch.ca/things-get-worse-for-hillary-wikileaks-releases-1258-hillary-clinton-iraq-war-emails/5534312

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 5, 2016 3:21:04 PM | 40

So how is Clinton's liberation from prosecution likely to play with the public?

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 5, 2016 3:33:59 PM | 41

re 41

Public in this case is a Potato Couch.

Posted by: CarlD | Jul 5, 2016 3:46:07 PM | 42

Quentin @9: Technically, a person is Jewish only if their mother is Jewish. Hence Trump's grandchildren are not really Jewish, especially as their father only converted. However, if G-d meant laws to be obeyed, he would not have invented lawyers and loopholes. There is a color-grading relating to the strictness to which such laws are enforced, from level white - great freedom to level black - untmost rigidity. I am sure Trump's grandchildren will have no problems, which has nothing to do with him appointing Israel Firsters as his ME experts.

Posted by: Anonymouse | Jul 5, 2016 3:53:06 PM | 43

The American people aren't surprised that HRC isn't going to be prosecuted, neither are they highly outraged. It just wasn't that big a deal for them in the first place. They are aware of her shortcomings and Bill's aura has taken a significant hit over the last while.

For those who bellow about her candidacy just being an extension of Obama's (sorry, Obomber) presidency, just bear in mind if he were running again he'd be a shoe-in.

Trump has pissed off some major voting blocks in the US, Hispanics and women to name but two. The Blacks are usually Democratic voters and there's no reason to think that's about to change. His message mostly resonates with angry young whites and they simply don't have the numbers. That being said, there's a chance that Trump could conceivably find enough dirt on hHillary to make a difference, but he's already called her everything but a white woman.

The Yanks still see themselves as inclusive and a nation of immigrants even if the reality is somewhat different. There's something about Trump's denigration of Mexicans and his walked-back ban of all Muslims that doesn't fit with their view of themselves.

The Yanks couldn't give a fiddler's fuck about Brexit and its implications. They don't share this thread's widely held view that now is the time for revolution. Some do, of course, but they're mostly regarded as a fringe.

It's true that Hillary is more of a warmonger than the Donald but that's not too important in this election. Then again Trump's worldview could change in a heartbeat if he were elected and saw an opportunity to cash in on some of that MIC money.

Posted by: peter | Jul 5, 2016 4:05:35 PM | 44

Public in this case is a Potato Couch.
Typical expression of the American problem. You're unable to say what the problem is.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 5, 2016 4:17:32 PM | 45

Think Jill before Hill hashtag will get some momentum?
http://www.jill2016.com/it_is_time_for_a_second_american_revolution

Posted by: Bluemot5 | Jul 5, 2016 4:31:54 PM | 46

Anonymouse @ 43. You must mean the 'mother' converted, Jared Kushner has a Jewish mother, thus Jewish. Whatever, I don't think that Donald Trump is anti-Jewish, no way. The six-pointed star and the cash in the imagery are unambiguous and obviously an attempt by campaignstaff (or a PR company) to appeal to a select section of his supporters.

Posted by: Quentin | Jul 5, 2016 4:33:19 PM | 47

Load your six-shooter ... all of us Americans have one, right? ... with three rounds from the Trump works and three from the Clinton works, spin the cylinder, put muzzle to temple, pull trigger. Or do something different ... write-in the name of someone you'd actually want to see as POTUS.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 5, 2016 4:53:39 PM | 48

When a cop pulls me over for speeding, I simply inform the officer that I did not INTEND to speed and he lets me go with a Leave-It-To-Beaver shrug. In my dreams.

Posted by: fast freddy | Jul 5, 2016 4:54:51 PM | 49

Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown...

Posted by: chuckvw | Jul 5, 2016 5:06:11 PM | 50

@ Mark, 15

I completely understand them. Because the most horrible and obscene things Clinton did were not illegal (As far as US law is concerned.) So if destroying Libya and laughing like a hyena at Qadhafi's murder doesn't make you hate here, poor handling of national security documents won't do it either.

Posted by: Lysander | Jul 5, 2016 5:09:12 PM | 51

I am now thinking that we are entering a high cognitive dissonance phase of empire decline with rule of law being the center piece and Clinton II's teflon application of it being one example.

The next example is this recent speech by Elizabeth Warren which I read at Angry Bear here:
http://angrybearblog.com/2016/07/reigniting-competition-in-the-american-economy.html#more-35836

I encourage folks to read the Warren piece and ask yourselves how someone who believes what she exposes can be associated in any way with Clinton II politics.....but the rumor is that she may be VP pick.....another Dem sheepdog?

The global plutocrats that own private finance should be tried for war crimes and their political psychopaths removed from control but since they own rule of law I expect they have legalized all their theft as they go.....history is written by the winners.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5, 2016 5:12:02 PM | 52

Laguerre 45

I am willing to learn from you. Please state what the American problem is.

Posted by: CarlD | Jul 5, 2016 5:13:58 PM | 53

1.
Total agreement as to the bullshit antisemitism charges for using a fucking star. The Jewish writers at HuffPo have just been falling all over themselves over this. These PC Jews are saying that there is only one proper use of a 6-pointed star, and that is to promote the Government of Yisrael (GoY). Every star with 6 points is a so-called star of David according to this latest attempt to re-make our culture and its symbols in the image of Jews and for the exclusive benefit of GoY. These people think they have a trademark for 6-pointed stars just like they think they have copyrights to the word "holocaust."

They'll be going after Matt Dillon next.

2.
b:
“Clinton did so for purely egoistic reasons.”

Gotta’ disagree with this. She kept her Em correspondence strictly under her control so that her play for pay transactions did not become part of the public record and accessible to the public via FOIA.

3.
psychohistorian | Jul 5, 2016 12:28:19 PM | 1:
“I still think Clinton II will not make it to/out of the Democratic convention”

I agree 100% – this thing is not over by a long shot.

Comey’s reason that there was no intent it total bullshit. Even where intent is an element of a crime, it is not normally something the prosecutors analyze in determining whether to seek indictment. It is a question of fact for the grand jury and petit jury.

She will now be tried in the court of public opinion – and not just the court that is in session come November 8th. Her lead vs. Trump has dropped from 11 points to 4 last week. If her polls tank much further in the next 3 weeks, she will w/draw from the election. That’s because her primary problem is still staying out of prison. No double jeopardy attaches until a trial is held and the first witness is called, so she is still exposed unless the Democrats retain the WH.

If there is no presidential pardon and the Republicans win the WH, they could re-open the investigation, or take the current FBI findings to a grand jury. So if her polls bottom out prior to the convention, she is not likely to take a chance at winning the election b/c losing the election means she could well go to prison. If Biden steps in, he would be far more likely to win and she would be OK.

The interesting Constitutional question is: Could Obama pardon her now that there are no charges? Nixon had not been charged when Ford pardoned him in 1974, so there’s precedent. But Nixon was not on the way into the WH, he was out of it. The courts have held that accepting a pardon is tantamount to an admission of guilt, so if Obama pardons her and she wins the election, there would be immediate grounds for impeachment based on her admission of guilt to felonies.

Trump wants her in the election b/c his chances against her are a hell of a lot better than against Biden. So I wouldn’t be too surprised to see him go easy on this Democratic cluster-fuck until after she gets nominated, and then the Republicans will rip her and the Democrats to pieces for this outrage. I guess there is no reason she couldn’t step out of the race at any point she thinks she’s going to lose it, but changing horses midstream would destroy any momentum the Democrats might have.

4.
virgile | Jul 5, 2016 1:32:54 PM | 14:
“It is a question of timing. As the democratic convention nears new knifes will be pulled out, and some of them deadly.”

Absolutely. The Democrats have to have some time to see what the polls are going to do on this mess before they know whether or not to ditch Clinton. And she needs the same information to gauge how much of an uphill battle she is facing to win the election and avoid a Republican WH prosecuting her.

Posted by: Denis | Jul 5, 2016 5:57:41 PM | 54

re 53

Please state what the American problem is.
Sorry, was it not obvious? In most democratic countries, they tend to support their remarks by reference to current polls. Apparently in the US, this is not necessary. Only an abusive remark suffices.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 5, 2016 6:16:06 PM | 55

@ 55

You trust American pollsters?

Posted by: crone | Jul 5, 2016 6:42:47 PM | 56

It looks like the US has pulled off a fake 'viral' video claiming to show FSB graduates driving around Moscow in a large convoy of black Mescedes SUVs. The video lingers of a large Soviet era building (0:18-0:20), then zooms up to show a large Soviet Star on the roof. This is clearly there to show that this is Moscow, not any European city, which it otherwise could be. The building is nothing to do with the FSB and is in fact the Triumph Place, a luxury apartment bock/hotel. It is 8 km away from the rather sedate FSB building on Lubyanka Square (which gives no clue that it is in Russia). Ironically, it is closer to the US Embassy than the FSB building.

The video has high production standards, produced (or distributed?) by 'Life Cinemas, and is heavily edited. The video is clearly aimed at non-Russian audiences and intended to mock the FSB. It was followed up by the (CIA-created) Suudeutche Zeitung, which was also a key player in the Panama Papers false flag.


Posted by: Anonymouse | Jul 5, 2016 6:51:00 PM | 57

I guess its confirmed then, Hilary may well be from hell.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jul 5, 2016 7:10:52 PM | 58

Why all the commentary? Is anyone surprised?

Mark said: "The average American is as unscrupulous & ethically devoid as Mrs. Clinton. If anything the "scandal" will endear her to the body politic." And, he is absolutely spot on. There is a great article about T Jefferson at ICH ... go look it up. THAT is the caliber of leader the US has always had. The only exceptions I know of are a few native 'chiefs' who spoke truth to power/greed ... and like Daniel Ortega (any body remember him) look at how that came out of the wash.

"The average American is as unscrupulous & ethically devoid as Mrs. Clinton. If anything the "scandal" will endear her to the body politic."

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 5, 2016 8:22:14 PM | 59

Hey jfl! Your comment about that gun thing with Uncle Sam and the Clinton/Trump choices is already in a cartoon here:

http://www.danzigercartoons.com/cartoons/choice-2016

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5, 2016 8:28:29 PM | 60

Didn't the GWBush admin. manage to lose some 100,000 plus emails on a private server, gwb43.gov? I mean, I hate to bring Hillary down to the level of the GWBush administration, but. What is good for the goose, etc.

Posted by: Bardi | Jul 5, 2016 10:12:31 PM | 61

Oops! I referenced ICH for an article on one of our sociopathic founders. My bad ... it was at Consortium News ... and about our great hero Jefferson. If the article is true, then what is so bad about Hillary or Trump?

Same old same old: "The average American is as unscrupulous & ethically devoid as Mrs. Clinton. If anything the "scandal" will endear her to the body politic."

Posted by: rg the lg | Jul 5, 2016 10:59:41 PM | 62

rufus posted this today on the Open Thread... guess he wasn't brave enough to post it on this thread, so I will...

in re the "landslide" at 148

And how is this supposed to work? The indictment all the haters "knew" was coming (ZeroHedge said so!) and would thereby immediately slay the Dragon-Lady of Chappaqua fails to materialize. The big fix that Bill Clinton supposedly arranged, proves to be for naught. The FBI, pretty much as soon as they wrapped the interview with Mrs. Clinton, said, no criminal intent, no evidence of a breach, no crime.

With DOJ unlikely to think differently, the email server -- like the Benghazi "investigation" that spawned it -- proved much ado about nothing.

Unlike, say, oh, givin' your hagiographer/mistress boatloads of classified stuff, so you look you good, like Petraeus did. The Army did not prosecute the adulterous affair (though it has other officers), and it left his rank and pension intact. Not like he'll need it, as he marched off gracefully to join the ranks of the arms industry.

Mrs. Clinton's long public career offers plenty of solid material for potentially damaging attacks. If you can't score on that, you're not likely to get points off of weak tea like this. How are the Rethuglicans going to replace something with nothing? Dealin' ain't quite the same as doin' when it comes to politickin'.

D**khead Donald so far has not congealed the Rethuglicans around him, murmurings still can be heard about somehow dumping him via rules changes. Will his kids give him the needed post-convention bounce? That seems about the only folks speaking at the convention at present.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 5, 2016 8:18:17 PM | 155

Posted by: crone | Jul 5, 2016 11:39:04 PM | 63

What I don't like about the potential Trump/Clinton II theater instead of a Trump/Sanders theater is that we won't get to contrast socialism with fascism.

Instead we will be forced like in Clockwork Orange to see lesser of the most evil propaganda from both sides with our eyes forced wide open. All the while reading scenarios here and elsewhere of the potential empire pogroms to follow the annointment.

Even the blogland that speaks of maybe-not-Hillary is quick to say that Biden is the obvious choice to go forward with....Bernie is not even discussed.


Go long on popcorn till late fall.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 6, 2016 12:00:17 AM | 64

Why even bother with the pretense of an investigation? They never intended to charge the cackling hag for any crime.

Posted by: Rob Centros | Jul 6, 2016 1:46:01 AM | 65

Offtopic: Seriously, Bernie has nothing on socialism -- just like Trump is not a fascist. They don't meet the most liberally understood criteria, unless something has changed about them in the last 70 years or so. Even if someone wants to call Trump a "populist" they'd have to explain what kind of populism is that so he's not confused with the XIX century movement, on which he has almost nothing. I am not a Trump apologist (I do think he is a buffoon, but otherwise I'm just a spectator with no interests of my own), but flailing the "fascist" bat like that is just degrading for the Left. Pure "us and them" stamping.

Posted by: Manirai | Jul 6, 2016 1:47:35 AM | 66

@ Manirai - 66

From the 14 points of Fascism written in 2004 by Dr. Laurence Britt, a political scientist. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of: Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile)

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
Check

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
Check

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
Check

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
Check

5. Rampant sexism
Check

6. A controlled mass media
Check but not Trumps fault

7. Obsession with national security
Check

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together
Check

9. Power of corporations protected
Check but again not Trumps "fault"

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
Check

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
Check

12. Obsession with crime and punishment
Check

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
Check

14. Fraudulent elections
Check on past present and future fraud

Please go troll somewhere folks won't laugh at you. Fascism is alive and well in Trump and Amerika.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 6, 2016 2:13:11 AM | 67

...
That being said, there's a chance that Trump could conceivably find enough dirt on hHillary to make a difference, but he's already called her everything but a white woman.
...
Posted by: peter | Jul 5, 2016 4:05:35 PM | 44

I suspect that the epithet Crooked Hillary will keep the door wide open for more dirt. Imo even people who vehemently disagree with that handle will still feel obliged to consider each piece of dirt, if only to 'prove' to themselves that he's wrong.
It's G rated (OK for young audiences) and will stick with her like a ball and chain.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 6, 2016 2:57:26 AM | 68

psychohistorian | Jul 6, 2016 2:13:11 AM | 67

In Trumps's America?
The U.S. is the most corrupt country on the planet at this time. Hillary is no less a fascist than Trump (maybe more so). Trump just puts it right out there and no, I am by no means a Trumpophile (can't stand the guy).
I think this campaign year has shown beyond any shadow of a doubt; voting makes not a wit of difference (it's rigged); as it doesn't affect the outcome; the chosen (not by us/you) will be seated on the throne.
The only question is; what will ya'll (I'm not there anymore) do about it? If history serves, nothing, is the answer.
Probably some will be angered by my post; why? You're the ones putting up with the Potemkin village of a democratic and free society, no?

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jul 6, 2016 3:59:07 AM | 69

this is great news, b! never before in the history of the republic has the innate criminality, the entrenched cronyism, the utter corruption of our venerated institutions been on such public display. there's so much gangrenous ooze percolating forth it's about all one can do to not get any on ya. but the stench of putrefaction dominates the airwaves...

Posted by: john | Jul 6, 2016 6:12:48 AM | 70

If the Trump campaign has some serious marketing players they will hammer home from now to November that Clinton's lax handling of message security is a danger to the nation and that her and her husband's seemingly crocked manipulations to escape indictment is disqualifying her for any higher job. Additionally a judge ruled today that Clinton's "private" emails will be open to FOIA requests. Some dirt will be found in them.

I find it quite possible that such a campaign would turn away enough voters from her to let her lose the general election.

If Hillary were up against anyone but Trump, that might indeed sink her. But all she has to do to counter DT is to present his own statements, in context, without any further comment and let people see what an incoherent and incompetent candidate he truly is.

I do not really like Hillary, but at least she has a history of service in elective office and a record of legislative and policy-making decisions. Trump has nothing of the like to offer us.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 6, 2016 6:19:02 AM | 71

@71 rb, 'all she has to do to counter DT is to present his own statements, in context, without any further comment and let people see what an incoherent and incompetent candidate he truly is'

Worked in 2009 and 2012 ... fool me twice shame on me. The two wings of the Wall Street/War Party coordinate their candidates. I suppose there are quite a few who know the drill and are ready to 'perform' ... Noam Chomsky, for Chrissakes! I see little practical difference between tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee. I'm ready for something different.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 6, 2016 6:38:41 AM | 72

@70: this is great news, b! never before in the history of the republic has the innate criminality, the entrenched cronyism, the utter corruption of our venerated institutions been on such public display.

Ancient foggy to john: the history did not start yesterday.

Trump has legal problems of his own, and publicly rages that fraud case was not dropped. Given that he did not held any office, he has no "blood on his hands", but promises torture, provoking/starting WWIII etc.

USA is not "the most corrupted country", one has to read some news. However, it is a fact that some part of the public views "cutting corners" as "the ability to get things done". If you have no history of that, and you do not promise that you are labelled "ineffective".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 6, 2016 6:40:52 AM | 73

@60 psycho

It's an obvious image. Occurred to about 100,000,000 Americans by now, I imagine, and counting. Uncle Sam's got two guns, my method only requires one, and eliminates time wasted in choosing which one blows you brains out ... 50/50.

Of course, you don't have to blow your brains out. You can blow theirs, instead.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 6, 2016 6:47:33 AM | 74

I think that HRC will get the Democratic nomination and most likely will win the presidency of the US.

Let us not forget that one of the scandals of Bill Clinton's presidency was when the Clintons were found to illegally have possession of FBI files on most players in D.C., especially Republicans. They have the support, willingly or not, of the ruling elite of the US Empire.

The propaganda arm of the ruling elite, the main stream media, will attack Trump like nothing you have ever seen once the race begins after the conventions are over. (as if that is not already happening)

I figure that Trump will make a race of it, but he has little chance against the cabal that runs the Empire.

Posted by: Mark Stoval | Jul 6, 2016 6:47:49 AM | 75

Please go troll somewhere folks won't laugh at you. Fascism is alive and well in Trump and Amerika.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 6, 2016 2:13:11 AM | 67


Why don't you fuck-off. I don't recall anything incisive from you - just more psychobabble.

Posted by: DM | Jul 6, 2016 6:51:44 AM | 76

Piotr Berman | Jul 6, 2016 6:40:52 AM | 73

Your quote is not all of that sentence, so it's not accurate. And please save me your history lessons; I'm well versed in history, thank you.
I reserve the right to a little hyperbole...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jul 6, 2016 7:03:30 AM | 77

Piotr Berman says:

USA is not "the most corrupted country", one has to read some news

yeah, whatever.

please divulge what other nation on our undeserving little planet has slaughtered 20 million more or less defenseless people since WW2 when those post-enlightenment ideals like liberty, progress, and tolerance really kicked in.

i guess i missed that news.

Posted by: john | Jul 6, 2016 7:13:26 AM | 78

@ 72

Worked in 2009 and 2012 ... fool me twice shame on me. The two wings of the Wall Street/War Party coordinate their candidates

The only difference is in social policy, namely, if you plan to have sex in America except for purposes of procreation - with your legally married (and opposite sex) spouse, then you have no reason to support the GOP

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 6, 2016 7:47:48 AM | 79

john | Jul 6, 2016 7:13:26 AM | 78

The operative phrase, which keeps getting missed, is "at this time".
Hypocrisy (the U.S.'s) aside; the U.S. obeys no laws on the planet, including its own.
No nation, rogue or otherwise, has ever gotten away with this scope of corruption and/or criminality.
And reading the "news" is the last cure for ignorance IMO. Hell, it's not even reliable for current events...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jul 6, 2016 7:51:59 AM | 80

5;Obomba obviously knew about Comeys decision and his appearance on the campaign trail was simply obfuscation with the shining star of Obomba to obliterate the decision,as how such a paragon of virtue back her?
As far as the antisemitism angle,I've never met any goyim in my life who particularly care for Jews as a whole,and it means little to US,only to demoncrat and rethug illiberal Zionists.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 6, 2016 8:48:08 AM | 81

26;What the f*ck?Most notorious racists?No, the Zionists are the worst racists in the world,and their puppets the Clintons and Bushes their notorious representatives.
I love how the hysterical call Trump the catastrophe,when every one of his prescriptions for getting US out of the ditch of zions globalization and security scheme is a recipe for American recovery.
And imagine a HRC WH?
If you though Bent dick a magnet for corruption,wait till this obvious criminal is in(God forbid)and the circus of government political animosity.Wow.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 6, 2016 8:56:36 AM | 82

56;Yeah I read it too,it was commie revisionism of treating 18th century man with modern mores that 21st century man abhors.
Holy shite,wtf?
Jefferson,and most FFs were light years ahead of any modern politician,and those who bash them are divide and conquer idiots,either being played or players.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 6, 2016 9:05:18 AM | 83

60;Danziger?The clowns is neoliberal Zionist scum.
His cartoons at TD?(truth dig?yeah sure)are terrible propaganda.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 6, 2016 9:07:23 AM | 84

Jesus,are some of you enemies of reality or what?
What Trump misstatements?Everything he utters is gospel truth as to our(US )decline,from stupid wars,to Russophobia,to globalization.
Must be ideology,and cul de sacs of the mind.
He will win in a landslide,sorry guys.But at least your fingers will get a workout in his POTUS.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 6, 2016 9:13:35 AM | 85

67;Maybe we laugh at you,Commie Zionist.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 6, 2016 9:17:13 AM | 86

73;Don't you love the hype of the zionists?Trump will start ww3?WTf are the current idiots doing,but that exactly?
It is his calls for more reasonable interventions and his talk of better Russian relations that have driven his support,but liars say the opposite.
Torture?We've been torturing people for a century or more,it is a human tactic,and has been around for millennia.And it works,at least sometimes,that's why they do it.
I don't approve of it,it is a relic of uncivilized times,,and if it was up to me,we wouldn't have the need to torture,as we'd mind our own business,as in America first.
Trump advisor says he'll respect Iran agreement.Good news.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 6, 2016 9:24:34 AM | 87

Was Lynch offered Supreme Court?? Or "watch out for your grandkids"?

Posted by: shadyl | Jul 6, 2016 9:28:33 AM | 88

Back to "past examples of entrenched criminality" in American military, political and legal systems:

http://harpers.org/archive/2010/03/the-guantanamo-suicides/

Just four murders committed with impunity, but kind of "everybody" pitched in. Bush, Obama, military, Attorney General etc.

======

"Torture? We've been torturing people for a century or more,it is a human tactic,and has been around for millennia." dacoit @87

From what I have read, torture is always worse. If the official policy is not to do it, then it is done "discretely" and relatively rarely. If the official policy is to do it "in extreme cases", than it is done on mass scale. If the official policy is to allow "methods that do not represent danger to human health" then folks are beaten to pulp and die after days in excruciating pain. If the official policy is "an exception for ticking bombs" then person suspected of useful knowledge are tortured for months. In other words, allowing a person to be elected on the promise to resolutely torture whenever "necessary" opens gates of hell.

And torture does not work. Not because you cannot extract useful information using torture, this is possible, but because it drives the torturers insane, and all others involved in the process, chain of command etc. It is an extremely corrupting influence. A person can develop the taste for torturing, or not. The second type of person will avoid getting involved. The protocol can maximize the chance of "getting the information" or the depraved pleasure of the torturers. And any time the depraved pleasure is involved, "things get out of hand".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 6, 2016 9:53:33 AM | 89

jackrabbit@5 - very plausible. Here's more detail that has not been reported on the tarmac visit - http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/07/media-gets-facts-wrong-on-loretta-lynchbill-clinton-tarmac-meeting/

Posted by: h | Jul 6, 2016 10:15:56 AM | 90

http://observer.com/2016/07/an-open-letter-to-jared-kushner-from-one-of-your-jewish-employees/

star-gate continues..

I would say that Trump did this deliberately in order to free advertisement

Posted by: bbbb | Jul 6, 2016 10:57:23 AM | 91

Interesting comment found on www ...

"interesting footnote here, back during hillarys time at the Rose law firm a 1 Loretta Lynch, the current AG, worked under Hillary."

source - http://www.blacklistednews.com/FBI_Rewrites_Federal_Law_to_Let_Hillary_Off_the_Hook/52471/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Posted by: ALberto | Jul 6, 2016 11:04:32 AM | 92

My order of political sympathies in US race is Trump, Clinton, Sanders. So it would be nice if Clinton was forced out of the race and replaced with Sanders, provided that the rest of Democratic party would not undermine him to the extend Corbyn was/is undermined in England (and Wales?).

But on the e-mail issue, I think Clinton has some practical defense. Using a private server constituted "reckless handling of classified information". But using State Department servers is not much more prudent. There were huge e-mail leaks both before her tenure as SoS and after https://securityintelligence.com/us-state-department-hack-has-major-security-implications/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak

And then there is a valiant general, Breedlove, who used gmail.com to conduct personal diplomacy while on an official post and got hacked. Since he was NATO commander at the time, I am not sure if this was a treason (he did not work for US government).

To summarize, there is not much against Clinton running for office except being a homicidal maniac, but unfortunately, that gains more votes than it looses. For all it is worth, all GOP candidates at least pretended to be homicidal maniacs. Although Clinton's peals of laughter sounded quite sincere, she may be a genuine article.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 6, 2016 11:13:30 AM | 93

To: shadyl @88
Recall that Loretta Lynch comes to "us" from HSBC, money-launderers to many criminal cartels world-wide. Possibly Lynch was offering the Clintons some sort of deal of her own. Who knows? The thought of the Lynch-Clinton confab on the tarmac is chilling in the degrees of criminality, venality and outright greed involved on the part of both players. That meeting was not just about Clinton criminality, imo. Lynch has a lot of skeletons in her closet, too.

Ugh and double ugh.

Posted by: RUKidding | Jul 6, 2016 11:14:31 AM | 94

I never ever thought HRC would be indicted. HRC is the poodle to Wall St, the MIC and other rich and powerful Oligarchs. They all know very well that HRC has a ton of blood on her hands and that she's a crook of the first degree with no scrupples. Heyo. What's NOT to like from the perspective of the Elites? Hillary's their fair haired grrrrl.

Donald appears to have emerged from the wood work, so to speak, and the Elites mostly don't like him because he's too much of a loose cannon. Trump appears to be playing things very very close to his chest mostly utilizing family members for higher positions of power within his campaign organization. Why? Because he feels he can trust them but not others? Trump's not stupid. He probably realizes he has to watch his back.

I can't stand either one. Both are venal greedy out of control power hungry monsters. Yes, HRC does have more "public service" experience of a sort and knows a lot of the global players on a personal basis. But it's gross who she consorts with, like Kagan and frickin Henry Kissinger, who, like that Dick Cheney, has a black hole for a "heart" and refuses to die.

My bet is that Clinton will win. The Oligarchs will "make it so" in way or another. They've made it pretty obvious that they don't like or want Trump, although they'll use his inflamed rhetoric to their advantage, the bastards.

I really don't think it matters much if citizens vote or not. My bet, again: HRC. But they'll make the horse race appear close because: ratings and money. That's all.

Posted by: RUKidding | Jul 6, 2016 11:20:50 AM | 95

"interesting footnote here, back during hillarys time at the Rose law firm a 1 Loretta Lynch, the current AG, worked under Hillary."

How interesting. The plot thickens. Like the mafia calling in "favors".

Why hasn't the MSM picked up on this one...

Posted by: shadyl | Jul 6, 2016 11:44:08 AM | 96

Who says torture does not work? Torture works very well to elicit false confessions that back up a government propaganda line and lists of the next round of people to arrest and torture, so that quota can be met. Stalin's secret police were well aware of this. And so was and is the CIA, whose job was to keep track of what was going on in Communist countries, especially in their intelligence agencies.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 6, 2016 11:53:19 AM | 97

quotas

Posted by: lysias | Jul 6, 2016 11:53:45 AM | 98

Lynch's Wikipedia entry has her first law job at a New York City law firm.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 6, 2016 12:09:15 PM | 99


@29, Tony

I agree with you 100%. The whole election horse and pony show is definitely fixed. Also, why are so many people surprised at the prospect of Clinton getting off the hook? This form of blatant high level corruption has been going on for years.

Trump anti-Semitic? Hardly. He wheels and deals among the top Semites(sic)in the country. Welcome to the United States of AIPAC people.Wake up.!!

Posted by: bored muslim | Jul 6, 2016 12:11:31 PM | 100

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