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March 25, 2016

Open Thread 2016-12

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Jesus: Friday?
Judas: Yeah, the last supper.
Jesus: The what?
Judas: Supper, normal supper with the fellas.

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https://www.rt.com/usa/337503-new-titantic-prepares-for-voyage/

Headline: "New ‘Titanic’ prepares for voyage as NASA reports record low Arctic sea ice"

"A luxury cruise liner bigger than the Titanic is set to embark on an epic voyage this summer. In anticipation, the US and Canadian coast guards will conduct exercises so they are ready should tragedy befall the trip, although NASA has reported record low Arctic sea ice."

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 29, 2016 5:30:41 AM | 101

@ 102

IIRC, the Titanic wasn't sunk by arctic sea ice, but rather a calved iceberg from a Greenland glacier, no?
Just sayin...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Mar 29, 2016 6:22:02 AM | 102

@ V. Arnold | Mar 29, 2016 6:22:02 AM | 103

Reading the article it stated a ship larger than the Titanic, would be steaming the (historic) North-West Passage heretofore impassable due to sea ice. Preparations were being taken in the event of an unforeseen emergency to effect a rescue. The original Titanic was thought to have been sunk by such an iceberg as you mention, but the ability to positively identify the origin had not been developed so therefore any such assertion can only be a conjecture, a likely one but only a conjecture nonetheless.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 29, 2016 6:33:41 AM | 103

@ 104

Acknowledged. :-)

Posted by: V. Arnold | Mar 29, 2016 6:42:03 AM | 104

Penelope cites this gem of algebra: "I mean In 100,000 molecules of air, 78,000 are nitrogen, 21,000 are oxygen, 2,000 to 4,000 are water vapor, and only 30 are carbon dioxide (1/38000th of 1%)."

It starts well, because CO2 is reported as "400 parts per million", which would make it 40 per 100,000 (a more natural number to consider if you are an Indian), and not so long time ago it was 30. Let us ask elementary school children: 30 in 100,000 is what part of one percent?

Little Bob answers grumpily: what is a percent?

Little Alice knows: first she finds that one percent of hundred thousands is one thousand. And she does it without a calculator. Next step, how many 30's make 1000? 33.33.. (hundred over 3 to be precise). Here is a question: how to be off by a factor of 38000 x 3 / 100 = 1180?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 29, 2016 8:51:01 AM | 105

I see Fidel Castro (one time Hero of the Left turned repressive dictator) wasn't very impressed with Obama's visit and I'm curious about how MOA readers see it.

Along with the Rolling Stones concert it's being touted as a new era for Cuba. Will it soon be followed by the benefits of Western banking,casinos, Walmart, fastfood etc.?

Posted by: dh | Mar 29, 2016 10:12:28 AM | 106

Posted by: dh | Mar 29, 2016 10:12:28 AM | 107

Castro could have the last laugh.

It will be very difficult for the US now to refuse help from Cuba as they did on the occasion of Hurricane Kathrina.

hurricane tips from Cuba

Cuba has sent their doctors through Latin America - parts of the US could use them, too.

But seriously - as long as the Cuban Communist Party does not privatize state assets, Cuba will be a very different system. What they seem to do now is to allow and support private enterprise.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 29, 2016 1:54:50 PM | 107

Gareth Porter:

- The "Cessation of violence" in Syria is holding up better than Gareth Porter had expected.
- The US military (Pentagon) and the State Department (think: John Kerry) are "not on the same page" when it comes to the US policy regarding Syria.
- The Pentagon doesn't want to get more involved in the war in Syria and is actively leaking to the US press to send out that message. Whereas Kerry actually wants a "No Fly Zone". But a "No Fly Zone" would mean that the US would have to take of russian planes & e.g. russian radar installations (=think: destroying). Gareth Porter says that Kerry is "posturing".
- So, the Pentagon is trying activeley to undermine Kerry's policy.

Source:
http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2016/03/02/3216-gareth-porter/

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 29, 2016 6:41:46 PM | 108

DenK @ 99, Thank you for answering my comment. I do so much hope that you are correct that the BRICS are a force in opposition to the whole rotten Fed/IMS/World Bank/BIS system.
I have doubts which I shared w you via about 4 links recently. Michel Chossudovsky expresses both the hopes and the constraints of the BRICS. http://www.globalresearch.ca/brics-and-the-fiction-of-de-dollarization/5441301

I am not well informed on China. Thank you for your comment about the official ban on sending military weapons to China. I didn't know of it, but it sounded like window dressing to me. After all, if the oligarchs want to send it, they won't be stopped by a mere law. What are all those Western R & D companies doing in China if she is really opposing the NWO project? Doubtless there are elements in China that ARE resisting, but not the guys currently at the top.

So I spent THREE minutes on the internet. I knew what I would find & I'm sure there's much more: http://www.truthandaction.org/israel-sends-us-military-technology-secrets-china/ http://freebeacon.com/national-security/us-tech-companies-partner-with-firms-linked-to-chinese-military/

Denk, I don't try to burst optimistic bubbles out of a desire to discourage others, but out of a commitment to an absolutely realistic view of the situation we are in. It's too tight a spot to rely on the BRICS or China or Russia. We don't know to what degree they are free to act, or even their determination to oppose the evil that continues to give itself form in oligarchical supranational institutions.

We need to develop institutions here at home that will express what we want, will recruit others, and create a path to get there. It is shameful that we await every 4 years the unveiling of little snippets & hints of what some little liar might next have in store for us instead of expressing OUR sovereignty.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 29, 2016 6:53:45 PM | 109

Piotr @ 106,

Not my math, but I sure should have checked it before copying it. My compliments & please thank Alice for me.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 29, 2016 9:29:39 PM | 110

pen 110

pen

the first article claims israel has been secretly selling mil tech to china which angered washington who demanded it to stop.


in the 2nd article,
rick fisher , an *expert* on chinese mil is concerned that co like m$, ibm are prolly circumventing murkkan export regulation to push biz in china.
he recommend the snake to tighten up its export regime to prevent co from taking advantage of current loopholes.

fact is,
*The U.S. government has previously halted some exports to China due to security concerns.

The Commerce Department blocked Intel earlier this year from exporting technology to four technical centers in China that run a supercomputer and were found to be acting contrary to U.S. national security.*


how does this *prove* usg's *secret collaboration * with china ?

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p.s.

your *smoking gun* is very lame indeed , especially when compared to evidences i cited before, about murkkan orchestrated terrorism, regime change to drive chinese investments out of africa and elsewhere.
those are irrefutable facts vs your wild speculation.
but u choose to ignore it ??

p.s.

both pages u link to want to insert scripts and my pc hang big time !

p.s.
i've an open mind, but so far my evidence trumps yours hands down .

Posted by: denk | Mar 29, 2016 9:32:48 PM | 111

your choice...
clinton or trump ?
same old , same old
head i win, tail u lose

Posted by: denk | Mar 29, 2016 11:26:14 PM | 112

Denk @ 112, Your evidence trumps mine ? I hope so, Denk. I hope so.

I think that US & Israel are one "firm"-- i.e, one oligarchy at the top, and that Israel is employed to do things which the US then "objects" to-- said objection never preventing more giveaways to Israel. I would NEVER assume the veracity of US objections-- or positions on much of anything, for that matter.
words are just propaganda to the US.

It wouldn't be surprising if the US were using both the carrot & the stick on China. You're certainly correct that US actions to ruin China's African investments (as well as the earlier mega-oil investments in Libya) look like efforts to clip China's wings. Thanks for the reminder. I rather think some of China's stockmarket problems might be Western pressure, too.

But do you really think that China wants a world of sovereign states where each governs its own central bank, currency, and trade policy? Her recently completed effort to gain more IMF votes & add the yuan to the "basket" of currencies wd tend to argue that her efforts are in joining the existing power structure.

I suppose the question is whether there is essential conflict between China & TPTB or just some limited jockeying. And if the conflict is significant does she want a different world order?

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 30, 2016 2:17:17 AM | 113

pen 114

*I think that US & Israel are one "firm"-- i.e, one oligarchy at the top, and that Israel is employed to do things which the US then "objects" to-- said objection never preventing more giveaways to Israel. I would NEVER assume the veracity of US objections-- or positions on much of anything, for that matter.
words are just propaganda to the US.*

apparently u didnt know that there was a china/israel collaboration in an aircraft proj in the 80's
the whole thing grind to a halt with a stern warning from washington, the chinese were left high n dry when the israelis abruptly withdrew from the joint effort.

there were numerous examples of murkkan vassals stepping out of line and get into big trouble.
remember saddam, noreigo, suharto, marcos, .....?
tel aviv is the lucky one who usually got away with just a slap on the wrist...or none at all !

*It wouldn't be surprising if the US were using both the carrot & the stick on China*

dont know what u mean , its has been stick all the way since 1949.


*But do you really think that China wants a world of sovereign states where each governs its own central bank, currency, and trade policy? Her recently completed effort to gain more IMF votes & add the yuan to the "basket" of currencies wd tend to argue that her efforts are in joining the existing power structure.*

is it possible for china/russia to overturn the murkkan dominated financial structure at this stage, at the drop of a hat ?
may be br cs presently have to work within the beast belly , until the time they have gathered enough clout to set up a sovereign economical model ?
currently i dont have an answer.

but even in its current form, the chinese way of cash and infrastructure offer a much more equitable model than the murkkan's economic hitmen variety, just ask the africans etc etc.

in any case your claim that china/snake have been in secret collaboration is obviously bogus.

Posted by: denk | Mar 30, 2016 4:09:46 AM | 114

hey take it easy honey, u wanna wake up my hubby ?

Posted by: denk | Mar 30, 2016 10:51:08 AM | 115

•Again and Still No Comment:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/30/sea-levels-set-to-rise-far-more-rapidly-than-expected

Sea levels set to 'rise far more rapidly than expected'

New research factors in collapsing Antarctic ice sheet that could double the sea-level rise to two metres by 2100 if emissions are not cut[.]

Sea levels could rise far more rapidly than expected in coming decades, according to new research that reveals Antarctica’s vast ice cap is less stable than previously thought. [emphasis added]

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 30, 2016 1:36:15 PM | 116


Denk, Neither do I know the true intentions of Chinese hierarchy. I wd argue that getting more seriously enmeshed in the present world order is an unlikely first step to founding an opposing financial order. But I respect your differing interpretation; we'll have to be adults and tolerate uncertainty. You're right; I didn't know about the arrested Israeli/Chinese plane project. Interesting.

Regarding carrots: The West and US in particular has transferred all manner of technology-- indeed our own industries. Immense investments by Western oligarchs. Outsourcing most manfacturing is usually presented to the US public as just greed on the part of the oligarchs, who suddenly looked up and were astonished to find that the Chinese economy now rivalled our own. Not credible.

Did you ever take a look at Corbett's video on China? https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-297-china-and-the-new-world-order/ I'm very familiar w Anthony Sutton's books myself, and I've certainly heard Soros express himself about the desirability of socialism for the masses in the NWO.

Obviously the oligarchs intended to retain China under their control, and within their ruling system. China, just as obviously, accepted the deal for modernisation, technology transfer, massive investment across decades. The Western oligarchs planned to come out the other end controlling China. How successful were they? China planned to finish with some degree of independence. How much?

As China has never had democracy at home I wd think her commitment to a system of sovereign nations not to be profound. After all, the main charm of sovereign nations which control their own currency, investment credits, trade and immigration is that it reserves to sovereign citizens the ability to govern their own affairs. And China's "8 heavenly families" are just as oligarchical as ours.

I rather think that we should think of ourselves as making common cause with the Chinese people but not the power structure that rules them. But I don't claim certainty. Goodness as well as evil can dwell in the secret hearts of men.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 30, 2016 8:28:55 PM | 117

@107 dh.. it is hard to see the new era towards cuba without looking at the history and the usa's role in it all.. usa looks bad to me on all levels... is this a new change? i doubt it.. like asking a leopard to change it's stripes or something.. probably isn't going to happen... speaking of which...

another jackass for the empire in the news - British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond
must be embarrassing having him as foreign sec when he acts like a complete moron and stooge for the empire of chaos..

Posted by: james | Mar 30, 2016 8:31:48 PM | 118

Denk @ 116, Yep, things may be just as one-dimensional as they seem right on the surface. But if YOU were trying to build a global oligarchy would you think it easier to subjugate all, or perhaps to invite in a few oligarchs from the most powerful countries? Would you work for decades to build up a third-world China w/o PLANNING to get something out of it?

Doesn't mean China will fall in w all of it, though.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 30, 2016 8:37:50 PM | 119

Formerly T-bear @ 117,
"Sea levels could rise far more rapidly than expected in coming decades, according to new research that reveals Antarctica’s vast ice cap is less stable than previously thought. [emphasis added]"

I read the paper. It relies on air temperature becoming warm enough to melt the ice, and holds out the idea that this won't happen if we just cut CO2.

Avg Winter Antarctic: -70 degrees Celsius; Avg Summer: -35 degrees Celsius. (-31 degrees F)
To begin to melt the ice you would have to raise the temperature to 1 degree Celsius.
In Fahrenheit terms to BEGIN to melt the ice you would have to raise the temperature even in summer by 63 degrees Fahrenheit! The idea of this permanent ice melting to flood our coastlines is a fabulous lie.

The Antarctic is almost 2x the size of the US, the ice averages 1 mile thick & in some places is 3 miles thick. It's been frozen for millions of years. That is, the EAST Antarctic has. West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which is mostly underwater & comprises only 8% of the total Antarctic Ice Sheet & the Antarctic Peninsula (2%) frequently decrease in summer. But East Antarctic ice sheet (90% of the total) is growing. The sea ice surrounding it varies form summer to winter & from year to year.

The paper said the Antarctic COULD melt by 2500 if CO2 is unabated. This isn't science; it's PR, and this Senate report discloses who's behind it. http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/6ce8dd13-e4ab-4b31-9485-6d2b8a6f6b00/chainofenvironmentalcommand.pdf

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 30, 2016 9:15:12 PM | 120

@119 The timing of the Obama/Rolling Stones visits look a little suspicious to me james. Like somebody wants to get their foot in the door.

Of course Cubans are hungry for consumer products, internet etc.. With Castro gone the pressure to open up will increase. It could be overwhelming.

Posted by: dh | Mar 30, 2016 9:34:57 PM | 121

I hear Raoul Castro wouldn't let Obama pat him on the back. Which is delicious to contemplate for so many reasons.

Posted by: ruralito | Mar 30, 2016 11:10:28 PM | 122

@ Penelope 121

Who gives a damn what you think, you exhibit no knowledge of facts, only your opinion and pretence. You do not demonstrate any indication of original thought from yourself, rather you offer the fictions of others and substitute those fictions for supposed fact. You are only an intellectual fraud. To think that a very large number of people have spent some large fraction of their lives studying various aspects of climatic science and have a long time ago reached consensus about their studies and then you come along and they are all wrong. Well guess what. You need to stifle your need for conspiracy to explain everything you don't understand. When you begin to understand, you will find History itself a record of conspiracy; the species is a social one and throughout the experience of the species, it has always been members of the species working together that have made that historical record for their offspring to read - if they can. In that - you fail.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 30, 2016 11:25:17 PM | 123

Penelope, underground oceans of carbon fuel were sequestered over many millions of years. Releasing that energy over ~200 years has to be problematic. I'm sure the "liberal elites" mentioned in that long pdf have their own "agenda"(when have they never?) but there it is: If you light one match it'll tickle your nose; if you light a million you will be gassed.

Posted by: ruralito | Mar 30, 2016 11:29:07 PM | 124

pen 118


*Denk, Neither do I know the true intentions of Chinese hierarchy. I wd argue that getting more seriously enmeshed in the present world order is an unlikely first step to founding an opposing financial order..*

by now it should be crystal clear.
contrary to murkkan propaganda, the ccp has no intention to *rule the world*, its basically minding their own biz, whereas *elected* murkkan leaders apparently spend all their *work day* scheming to screw the rest of the world, friend or foe.
every new hour i learn of another piece of fukus shananigan which send a cold down my spine. !


*Regarding carrots: The West and US in particular has transferred all manner of technology-- indeed our own industries. Immense investments by Western oligarchs. Outsourcing most manfacturing is usually presented to the US public as just greed on the part of the oligarchs, who suddenly looked up and were astonished to find that the Chinese economy now rivalled our own. Not credible.*

socalled tech transfer are all low end assembly works, ideal for china's vast pool of cheap and educated worker bees.
the core tech tho, the *value added* part is still designed and made in usa.
cuz of that, its said that for every iphone assembled in china, 95% of the profit goes back to apple, the sweat shops in china earn only a pittance.
now that china's wages is accelerating upwards, this model is no longer sustainable, havent u heard of the flight of capitals out of china , murkkan, jp manufacturers are withdrawing en mass back to home, or sea looking for cheaper allternative. tens of thousands of factories have gone kaput, tens of millions getting laid off. havent u heard of the gloating in the western msm, the *imminent collapse* of china ?
this is all profit and greed, pure and simple.


*Obviously the oligarchs intended to retain China under their control, and within their ruling system. China, just as obviously, accepted the deal for modernisation, technology transfer, massive investment across decades. The Western oligarchs planned to come out the other end controlling China. How successful were they? China planned to finish with some degree of independence. How much?*

most of china's vital industries are still state owned.
u also dont seem to know china's massive effort to rid itself of m$ software and murkkan servers cuz of back door security risk. ?
if they still havent accomplished that it'd not be the heart is unwilling , but prolly the flesh is weak ?


*As China has never had democracy at home I wd think her commitment to a system of sovereign nations not to be profound. After all, the main charm of sovereign nations which control their own currency, investment credits, trade and immigration is that it reserves to sovereign citizens the ability to govern their own affairs. And China's "8 heavenly families" are just as oligarchical as ours.*

do u know that since the *commies* took over from the *democratic* kmt [read murkkan stooge],china has lifted billions of its population out of abject poverty to a decent living std. ?
even un, western media have to admit china has single handedly contributed to the massive elimination of poverty in the past 3 decades worldwide. ?
what has the *democratically elected* usg done all these yrs, wars wars wars for the world,
a dyfunctional home where the roofs are leaking ?

talking about sovereignty.
aint murkka and all its vassals *democracies* subjects of the mou ?
while the non *democratic* china still standing its ground. ?


*Did you ever take a look at Corbett's video on China? https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-297-china-and-the-new-world-order/ I'm very familiar w Anthony Sutton's books myself, and I've certainly heard Soros express himself about the desirability of socialism for the masses in the NWO.*

i heard about those .
how genuine are those videos ?
did soros actually said those words, if so, was it another psyop to implicate china ?
i dunno, i do know u cant be too cynical when it comes to these creeps !

if the zwo ever wanna co-opt china, it surely has failed.
its down to all bare knuckle now.

whats that damn plane rumbling over my head 24x7 for the past six months, the p8-a !
its definitely not on pleasure cruise.

they say uncle sham couldnt compete with china economically inspite of all its high tech wizardry ,cuz *it* doesnt has the stomach to do a 12 hrs work day like those chinese.
but when it comes to war and war mongering, the snake surely has found its element, a veritable fucking super *workaholic*
hehehehehe


the jp new *security* [sic] law comes into effect as of today. from now on the jp self defence [1] force is free to fight oversea to assist murkka and its vassals in any conflict.

do u understand the implication wrt the scs ruckus ?

[1]
jp speaking in forked tongue,
hehehehehe

Posted by: denk | Mar 31, 2016 12:22:22 AM | 125

Rather large to extra large...

UNAOIL: THE COMPANY THAT BRIBED THE WORLD

In the list of the world's great companies, Unaoil is nowhere to be seen. But for the best part of the past two decades, the family business from Monaco has systematically corrupted the global oil industry, distributing many millions of dollars worth of bribes on behalf of corporate behemoths including Samsung, Rolls-Royce, Halliburton and Australia's own Leighton Holdings.

Now a vast cache of leaked emails and documents has confirmed what many suspected about the oil industry, and has laid bare the activities of the world's super-bagman as it has bought off officials and rigged contracts around the world.

http://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2016/the-bribe-factory/day-1/the-company-that-bribed-the-world.html

Posted by: MadMax2 | Mar 31, 2016 11:34:49 AM | 126

ot - why no new ot thread yet?

@122/123 dh and ruralito

i doubt anything much is going to change for the better.. if the way the western world is going is any indication - cuba will get sucked into this too and be all the poorer for it too...

from today - Elijah J. Magnier “Al-Qaeda” in Syria fears the settlement and rejects the cease-fire: the next target.

Posted by: james | Mar 31, 2016 6:21:09 PM | 127

ruralito @ 125,
"underground oceans of carbon fuel were sequestered over many millions of years. Releasing that energy over ~200 years has to be problematic."

It's poetic, but I don't see any logic or any science in it.

I think that the major driver of our climate system is the sun, not CO2. CO2 does have a small effect, but IPCC and the warmist scientists say that only 5% of its warming effect is direct. The other 95% is through its ability to increase water vapor, which is a more powerful greenhouse gas. However, water vapor has NOT increased as CO2 has increased. NASA data shows that specific humidity has fallen by 14% since 1948. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/06/nasa-satellite-data-shows-a-decline-in-water-vapor/ (Scroll down to the chart headed Specific Humidity) This is the reason that there is no temperature increase since 1998-- except of course for the el ninos.

There is synchronicity between the amount of solar irradiance reaching the earth and the major climate events. It has been documented in many studies that high levels of CO2 have historically occurred when temperatures are rising, are falling-- or even during an ice age.

More recently, there was global cooling from 1940 to 1977 while CO2 increased.

Whatever the motives of those who pay for the false activist claims, or of those who disclose this support, it does reveal huge amounts of money behind the PR campaign for AGW.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 31, 2016 8:08:34 PM | 128

James @ 27 We could go beyond 900 years to 450 million years ago

Global Warming -> became Climate Change because it was a hard sell. Our climate changes every minute of the day. The Weather forecasts varies hour to hour and can’t be relied on over a 24hrs forecast much less the next 20 years. Earth is warming at an alarming rate and humans are to blame and we are doomed says the well-funded promoters of carbon credits and green levies.

As always, follow the $$$$$ - Carbon credit trading and the taxman.

FWIW. Here is my very simplistic 2 cents. CO2 is rising says those on one side of the debate but it is overlooked that Plants require and convert to oxygen that mammals need.

I will pay attention when we start to decrease the light pollution – how about if we begin by turning off the street and building lights? Think of the released heat affecting the atmosphere! Plant life require 12 hours of darkness.

No discussion or study of Climate change is valid without studies of glacial deposits, rocks, sediments and plant life taking into account the varies of earth’s evolution over millions of years ago:


Ice Once Covered the Equator: http://www.livescience.com/6166-ice-covered-equator.html

Geologists found evidence that tropical areas were once covered by glaciers by examining ancient tropical rocks that are now found in remote northwestern Canada. These rocks have moved because the Earth's surface, and the rocks on it, are in constant motion, pushed around by the roiling currents of the planet's interior, a process called plate tectonics).

and here is an interesting read with maps and graphs on

The USA-Canada Equator:

USA's ancient hurricane belt and the US-Canada equator

http://phys.org/news/2012-11-usa-ancient-hurricane-belt-us-canada.html


[.] The study, published in the journal Geology, is the first to accurately locate and map the ancient Equator and adjacent tropical zones. Previous studies had fuelled controversy about the precise location of the ancient equator. The researchers say the new results show how fossils and sediments can accurately track equatorial change and continental shifts over time.[.]

The research team from Durham University, UK, and universities in Canada, Denmark and the USA, discovered a belt of undisturbed fossils and sediments -deposits of shellfish- more than 6000 km long stretching from the south-western United States to North Greenland. The belt also lacks typical storm-related sedimentary features where the deposits are disturbed by bad weather. The researchers say that this shows that the Late Ordovician equatorial zone, like the equatorial zone today, had few hurricane-grade storms.[.]

The scientists pieced together the giant jigsaw map using the evidence of the disturbed and undisturbed sedimentary belts together with burrows and shells. Using the findings from these multiple sites, they were able to see that North America sat on either side of the Equator. .[.]


Posted by: likklemore | Mar 31, 2016 8:30:58 PM | 129

129, you just said you think it's the sun that's doing it. Well d'oh! The energy of the sun is packed away, concentrated, into the oil squeezed out of fallen lumber over millions of years. Wood that didn't rot because fungus had not been invented yet. You can see it in coal seams. Now imagine this energy is being released in a minute fraction of the time it took be stored AND the sun decides in its inscrutable way to start heating up at about the same time. Doesn't it behoove those institutions in charge of administering to our environment to err on the side of caution?

Posted by: ruralito | Mar 31, 2016 8:37:53 PM | 130

Once again the flowering of participatory democracy that is the Maidan of the Banderists proves its utility. It offers a current example of that old adage, "the more things change, the more they stay the same."

Barflies might recall that PM Yatsenyuk became a lame duck when he barely survived a non-confidence vote in the Rada. Timoshenko and Lyasko (Fatherland and Radical Parties, resp.) left the ruling coalition. Timoshenko wants new elections, Finance Minister Jaresko wants to be PM.

Today's Kyiv Post suggests to me that a resolution may be near. They report that the Poroshenko [and] Yatsenyuk factions [are] trying for two-party coalition. They are apparently poaching members of other parliamentary fractions, acquiring some dubious people by dodgy means. So that would be SOP in the Rada of Solons, definitley the same there.

No indication at this point, however, of who the new PM might be. I'd guess, someone from the National Front, keeps the balance of power (formally) unchanged. Perhaps a technocrat, but not Jaresko, a little bit too obvious as pro-consul.

So we get a a new but narrower government, with the same two factions dominant, now shorn of uncooperative partners. And so we might reasonably expect more of the same.

Frozen conflict, frozen politics?

Well, exiled oligarch and estranged Maidan financier Dmitry Firtash hopes to thaw it all out eventually. He spoke with Bloomberg News, but as they don't have a convenient transcript, let me cite Fort Russ which has some highlights and helpful background.

"Today it is already obvious that the current government of Ukraine is politically bankrupt. There is no need to have a discussion... If they remain in power any longer, this can only make it harder. They had the opportunity to prove themselves for two years. They have shown that they are incompetent, helpless and in addition unable to do anything besides PR. They are not independent."

He blames "certain officials within the US government" for foisting a bad policy on the public, who continue to defend it now, Firtash adds.

In December, he spoke with Reuters, telling them he did not expect the government to last through the spring. He also hopes to challenge Poroshenko and the status quo. "We need to support a movement and give the the people of [the] Ukraine something to believe in."

We'll have to wait for the new government, but I'm inclined to score it a draw for Firtash. The government fell, but it looks like more of the same in its place.

It looks to me like reports of ceasefire violations are light; perhaps the war is in neutral until after the change of driver.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 31, 2016 9:04:41 PM | 131

Is this true? Saw it in some news comments
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Fink’s Bar

Much of the following scenario was outlined initially in 1990 in a discussion at Fink’s Bar in Jerusalem. At the head of the table was Netanyahu. The group at the table had just stolen 5 American KG 84 cryptographic devices with the help of Canadians serving with the UNTSO on the Golan Heights, giving this Israeli-led cabal real-time access to all US State Department, Naval and NATO communications. This is a transcribed quote taken from an audio recording of Netanyahu at that meeting:

“If we get caught they will just replace us with persons of the same cloth. So it does not matter what you do, America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? Because it is the will of God, and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again and again and again. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.” ( confirmed by an “attendee” during a debriefing )

President Bush (41) learned of the penetration during the First Gulf War, taking note that America was left defenseless in case of a nuclear attack. The US pulled out of Iraq earlier than planned, leaving Saddam in place.

Were Saddam removed and the US to have occupied Iraq, this was to have been the foundation for orchestrating the political confrontation that was to escalate, with careful guidance in both Washington and Moscow, into a nuclear war.

Posted by: aaaa | Mar 31, 2016 11:34:54 PM | 132

Formerly T-Bear @ 124,

Well said. Muuch better than the toddler insults. What's more, you've made a justifiable objection: If a large number of learned people have reached consensus on AGW, by what right do I declare they are wrong?

I regard it my moral obligation to personally wrestle w the issues of the day; I think that's a necessary premise of self-government. Often my way of doing this is to look for the strongest argument on EACH side of a controversy.

I take it by your use of "consensus" that you think the overwhelming majority of scientists agree w the AGW hypothesis. Since the media has been telling you that for at least 20 years you and a great many others believe that-- but without ever investigating whether it's true. The basis for it is several attempts to manipulate surveys, each of them debunked by many authorities. For example:

In 2013, John Cook, an Australia-based blogger, and some of his friends reviewed abstracts of peer-reviewed papers published from 1991 to 2011. Mr. Cook reported that 97% of those who stated a position explicitly or implicitly suggest that human activity is responsible for most warming. His findings were published in Environmental Research Letters.

Mr. Cook’s work was quickly debunked. In Science and Education in August 2013, for example, David R. Legates (a professor of geography at the University of Delaware and former director of its Center for Climatic Research) and three coauthors reviewed the same papers as did Mr. Cook and found “only 41 papers—0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent—had been found to endorse” the claim that human activity is causing most of the current warming. Elsewhere, climate scientists including Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir J. Shaviv and Nils- Axel Morner, whose research questions the alleged consensus, protested that Mr. Cook ignored or misrepresented their work.

Richard Tol, lead author of an important chapter of the IPCC's Ffth Assessment Report, testified at a hearing, "The 97 percent is essentially pulled from thin air. It is not based on any credible research whatsoever."

In protest at this particular dishonesty, this site lists "97" articles, journals, groups refuting the 97% consensus: http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/97-articles-refuting-the-97-percent-consensus.html

It's OK for you to reject the wisdom of my leaned scientists w/o even considering their data, eh? But presumptuous for me to reject the wisdom of warmist scientists who opine that the Antarctic "could" gain 63 degrees F in order to begin to melt-- in 5 centuries. The beauty of science is that the authority is in the data, or the lack thereof.

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 1, 2016 1:42:06 AM | 133

aaaa @ 133, Stories such as the one you relate abound. Intelligence officials say Israel is their main security risk-- but nothing is ever done to hal their access. That's one of the reasons that I've concluded that the oligarchs of the US & Zionism are one firm.

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 1, 2016 1:48:21 AM | 134

Likklemore @ 130, Fascinating the growth in our knowledge of Geology and Earth History, isn't it? It wd be such a great time to be alive-- if only we cd get rid of the oligarchs. The whole middle east, Africa, Europe, Russia, China-- everywhere wd be so much better off. Whatever our difficulties we cd tackle them-- if only they wd get out of the way. They are in he way of all solutions.

Ordovician is sposed to have had warmth for a awhile, then a half-million year ice age -- Earth must have been a snowball before it was over. I think I read CO2 was 15 times present levels.

We only think of tectonic faults as being on land, but there's something called the Gakkel Rift in the Arctic-- between Greenland and Siberia I think. 1300 miles kms? of intermittent volcanic and thermal seepage! So I got curious about how many volcanos are on the ocean floor. Would you believe they think there may be a million!

They found undisturbed stuff at the bottom of an Irish lake, too. They cd tell by what they found, when stuff was ice-rafted over from Europe-- hence when the Channel was frozen.

Here, http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783 Look at the top graph on page 3. Can you imagine that the earth went thru such sheer temperature change 15,000 years ago. How could anything survive that?

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 1, 2016 2:23:01 AM | 135

cia training manual.

how to *convert* a chicom lover.

case study -- jp.


It took snipers killing some hundred protesters and policemen to end the elected government in Kiev, as neonazis, ambitious oligarchs and thugs used that opportunity to hijack a revolutionary movement. On the other side of the Eurasian continent it took a clueless and cooperative Japanese media and a frustrated bureaucracy, already used to sabotaging DPJ wishes, to end the first cabinet of this reformist party, and with that bring an end to a genuinely different Japanese foreign policy inspired by a reassessment of long-term Japanese interests. Hatoyama did not have to flee like the elected president in Kiev almost four years later. He eventually simply stepped down. He did so in line with a custom whereby politicians who wish to accomplish something that is generally understood to be controversial and difficult will stake their political future on the outcome. In this case Hatoyama had walked into a trap. He was given to believe that an acceptable compromise solution was being arranged for the problem of the new Marine basis in Okinawa. As he told me himself about half a year later, with that he made the biggest mistake in his political life.* [2]

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before hillary *enforcer* klington


* in the heyday of the newly elected Democratic Party government in Japan, Ozawa Ichiro led a, 600-strong, semi-official friendship mission to Beijing. That moment was the high point of a mood of empathetic cooperation. It pointed to a possible way forward, one in which sovereignty issues would be shelved and the development of resources resolved cooperatively (as indeed foreshadowed by several agreements reached and to some extent implemented during the early 21st century years), evolving gradually into some kind of regional community. * [1]

chinese n jp kissed n making up,omfg, the *threat of peace*!
uncle sham practically exploded, *over my dead body, how's a man gonna make a living ?*
it doesnt took long for the pro arsonist to set things *right*, a regime change, luckily for jp, the soft core variety.

after hillary *enforcer* klington

*The regime change drama can be said to have been prefigured shortly before the August 2009 elections that brought the DPJ to power. In January of that year Hillary Clinton came to Tokyo on her first mission as Obama’s Secretary of State to sign an agreement with the outgoing LDP administration (which knew it was stumbling on its last legs), reiterating what had been agreed on in October 2005 about a highly controversial planned new base for US Marines on Okinawa – a plan hatched by Donald Rumsfeld – which had earlier been forced down the throat of the LDP. The ruling party of the one-party democracy had applied a preferred method of Japanese politics when something embarrassingly awkward comes up: do nothing, and hope everyone will forget it. Clinton made clear that no matter what kind of government the Japanese electorate would choose, there could be no deviation from earlier arrangements. Her choice of American officials to deal with Japan, Kurt Campbell, Kevin Maher, and Wallace Gregson (all ‘alumni’ from the Pentagon) also indicated that she would not tolerate something that in Washington’s mind would register as Japanese backtracking.
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It is difficult to find another instance in which official Washington delivered insults so blatant to a country as to Japan under Hatoyama.
Aside from his repeated formal requests for a meeting being ignored, the Japan handlers counseled Obama not to give the Japanese prime minister more than 10 minutes of his time during chance encounters at international meetings. Hillary Clinton put the Japanese Ambassador on the carpet with a reprimand addressed to Hatoyama for “lying” when the Japanese prime minister, after having sat next to her at a banquet in Copenhagen, told the Japanese media afterwards that his conversation with her had been positive. Japanese newspapers could not measure these things with their normal frames of reference, and began to copy a general notion of the Washington-inspired American media that Hatoyama was simply bad for transpacific relations...............
[2]


[1]
http://apjjf.org/2013/11/21/Gavan-McCormack/3947/article.html

[2]
http://www.unz.com/article/the-american-world-empire-japan-as-a-vassal-state/

Posted by: denk | Apr 1, 2016 4:05:45 AM | 136

penelope at 134 --

I had a look at your list of folks reporting on Richard Tol's "debunking." Looks to be the usual paid shills, plenty of cites of Fox News and other denialists. Tol is associated with the Global Warming Policy Foundation. They are a beard, putting what one critic calls "material into the debate that hasn't been through scrutiny" on behalf of market-oriented rightists.

Here is DeSmogBlog on Tol and his work. He is an economist, not a scientist. "Tol nevertheless agrees a scientific consensus on global warming exists, but argues over the methodology used to arrive at the 97% figure."

Or as they quote from Cook's rebuttal -- "An obsession with minutiae that do not affect the final result while ignoring the broader picture is common by those denying the consensus on climate change."

Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 1, 2016 8:17:26 AM | 137

and further to 138 --

The various scientists you cite, e.g. Legates, and Nils-Axel Morner, all seem to have links to the Heartland Institute.

Legates was removed as Delaware climatologist (my native state!), over his links to Willie Soon, it seems.I wonder why they are being "ignored...."

Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 1, 2016 8:25:25 AM | 138

@ 138, 139

I suspect Penelope doesn't do real facts.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 2, 2016 5:22:55 PM | 139

rufus,

“only 41 papers—0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent—had been found to endorse” the claim that human activity is causing most of the current warming. Elsewhere, climate scientists including Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir J. Shaviv and Nils- Axel Morner, whose research questions the alleged consensus, protested that Mr. Cook ignored or misrepresented their work.

You seemed to have skipped the numbers, Rufus. 41 papers out of 4,014 is still .3 percent. Besides the 4 people who reviewed the ridiculous "97%" consensus I gave you a link at which many, many individuals & orgs agreed in condemning the lie of "97% of scientists agree on AGW." Try to be reasonable; have you ever heard of 97% of people agreeing on anything?

As to the particular scientists which you didn't like my citing, I cite them as authorities on their OWN work. The 97% paper represented their work as warmist!

You seem to be citing the skeptic credentials of many scientists as proof that there are no skeptics-- a bit contradictory. The Warmist position was created by the oligarchs, and it's documented by a Congressional Report that they continue to support it thru their control of the EPA and the academic grants thru which most scientific studies are subsidized. They also control the media thru which this lengthy psy-op has operated. And finally, they directly contribute vast sums to people like McKibben.

As the report documents, the warmist activists aren't the altruists they pretend to be. They are the paid employees of people like Soros and Rockefeller and John Kerry's Billionaire wife. http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/6ce8dd13-e4ab-4b31-9485-6d2b8a6f6b00/chainofenvironmentalcommand.pdf

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 3, 2016 3:24:33 AM | 140

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