Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
December 28, 2015

Russia's "Quagmire" In Syria Turns Out To Be A Well Designed Campaign

Recent "Official Washington" headlines:

The above was all nonsense and propaganda. It represented the typical self delusion of the Washington establishment. The Russian government and military knew exactly what they were doing. After some 100 days of Russian military support for the Syrian government the results are coming in. They look well. The Islamic State lost most of its oil income and is reduced in its capabilities. The Syrian army and its allies are progressing against they various enemies on several fronts. The costs of Russia's expedition is relatively small.

This reality is now setting in.

Three months into his military intervention in Syria, Russian President Vladimir Putin has achieved his central goal of stabilizing the Assad government and, with the costs relatively low, could sustain military operations at this level for years, U.S. officials and military analysts say.
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"I think it's indisputable that the Assad regime, with Russian military support, is probably in a safer position than it was," said a senior administration official, who requested anonymity. Five other U.S. officials interviewed by Reuters concurred with the view that the Russian mission has been mostly successful so far and is facing relatively low costs.

The U.S. officials stressed that Putin could face serious problems the longer his involvement in the more than four-year-old civil war drags on.

Yet since its campaign began on Sept. 30, Russia has suffered minimal casualties and, despite domestic fiscal woes, is handily covering the operation's cost, which analysts estimate at $1-2 billion a year. The war is being funded from Russia's regular annual defense budget of about $54 billion, a U.S. intelligence official said.

With the Russian help time is now in favor of the Syrian government's position. As longer it takes to get to some negotiated end-state with the various groups supported from the outside, the less power on the ground and the less say in the outcome will those groups and their sponsors have. The Islamic State and several other Salafi groups like Ahrar al Sham will shrink back into underground terrorist forces. These will be able to continue random attacks but will not be able to hold ground. Unfortunately incidents like today's triple suicide bombing in Homs, which killed some 50 civilians, will continue to occur for some time. The biggest challenge will be the defeat of al-Qaeda in Syria under the name Jabhat al-Nusra. That group has pushed roots into the local ground and population and will be the hardest to eradicate. It will have to be isolated from its sponsors and all resupply before it can be defeated. Local intelligence will have to penetrate the group to go after its leadership.

Russia has not yet brought its full power to bear in Syria. It waits until a more complete intelligence picture has formed to pursue smaller and smaller opposition units. This may take some additional month. The big government offense against its enemies in Idleb province and city is also still in preparation. Unless some unforeseen exterior event happens it will be the major move over the next six month.

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With respect to believers all the talk about Liturgy and Baptism is moot IMO. Freud came up with guilt-free sex and it was game over for Christianity.
Posted by: dh | Dec 29, 2015 9:03:34 PM | 94

But, curiously/ominously, only for sane people.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 29, 2015 11:07:05 PM | 101

in re 97 --

I found an example of "presently existing Hegelianism" for you. Anthony Sutton thinks we're in a Hegelian state already.

Progress in the Hegelian State is through contrived conflict: the clash of opposites makes for progress. If you can control the opposites, you dominate the nature of the outcome.

We trace the extraordinary [Yale] Skull and Bones influence in a major Hegelian conflict: Naziism vs. Communism. Skull and Bones members were in the dominant decision-making positions Bush, Harriman, Stimson, Lovett, and so on - all Bonesmen, and instrumental in guiding the conflict through use of "right" and "left." They financed and encouraged the growths of both philosophies and controlled the outcome to a significant extent.

Tin foil Yale beanies all 'round.

Freud took on religion directly in The Future of an Illusion. According to its Wiki, in it "Freud defines religion as an illusion...." The doctrines survive in part, he says, "because it is forbidden to raise the question of their authenticity at all."

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 29, 2015 11:07:55 PM | 102

Have you noticed how many 'Christians' there are when it comes to saving their own arses - they seriously discuss the demise of '' rather than discuss their own involvement

Posted by: fredjc | Dec 29, 2015 11:09:32 PM | 103

Re #98: Dawkins:

Tell the congregation of a church or mosque that existence is too vulgar an attribute to fasten onto their God, and they will brand you an atheist. They'll be right."

Yes, so Dawkins is on the same page with Christian fundamentalists and other theistic rabble. Whereas (at least liturgical) Christians who have made some effort to understand their religion and (non-extremist) atheists have more in common with each other than they do with atheists like Dawkins.

This polarization between liberal Christians and non-evangelizing religious skeptics is just one more device used by the people who run our society to destroy every cultural means of resistance to creeping totalitarianism. Dawkins, like Popper before him, is one of their intellectual mercenaries.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 29, 2015 11:11:25 PM | 104

HW @ 101 --

A rule of thumb -- Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are. Always worked for me.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 29, 2015 11:11:56 PM | 105

Oh not, not Dawkins the Atheist Fundamentalist! Where's my League of the Godless membership card?

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 29, 2015 11:13:03 PM | 106

Ah, so you're a Sutton fan already? Just "one more device used by the people who run our society to destroy every cultural means of resistance to creeping totalitarianism. Dawkins, like Popper before him, is one of their intellectual mercenaries."

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 29, 2015 11:16:42 PM | 107

T@100

It's too soon to call this conflict a military quagmire but it has the potential to become one because Russia may not be able to leave or end the conflict in any definite declared timespan. They can stay and pay for the war but did they have an exit strategy or was Putin's claim of a 90 day campaign their whole plan.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Dec 30, 2015 12:13:31 AM | 108

@Wayoutwest #108:

or was Putin's claim of a 90 day campaign their whole plan.

I don't suppose the word "disinformation" means anything to you.

They can stay and pay for the war

They are paying for the war out of their normal defense budget. The West has been threatening them to such an extent that they have to repeatedly run major exercises. If you're going to be running exercises all the time, why not do a little real war fighting instead and kill some religious terrorists with old bombs that have just been lying around?

Posted by: Demian | Dec 30, 2015 1:09:40 AM | 109

By the way, since religion is being criticized in this thread, I think it should be pointed out that from a Christian point of view, Jews and Muslims are worse than atheists. (Many Christian opinion leaders, such as the Pope for example, are not clear on this.) This is because atheists do not reject God: they merely deny his existence. Jews and Muslims in contrast explicitly and willfully reject God, by stubbornly refusing to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior.

I have to say that Mormons have wandered so far off the reservation that I think they belong with the atheists in this respect. (Mormonism comes across more like an ongoing science fiction serial than a religion.) Of the great world religions, the one that is probably most pleasing to the Christian mind is Buddhism. Buddhism leads to many of the results that Christianity does but in different ways, without being obsessed with attacking and denigrating Christianity as Judaism and especially Islam are.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 30, 2015 2:08:02 AM | 110

So this thread has somehow, like, wandered into religion?

John Carpenter

Roddy Piper

See it for yourself.

The first hour will be interrupted again and again.

After the first hour, the truth will come out!
http://video.disclose.tv/17/07/John_Carpenter__They_Live_1988_170711_mobile_360p.webm

Posted by: blues | Dec 30, 2015 3:49:33 AM | 111

97

RU is still Orthodox Christian in practice, because RU kulaks won't stand for US New Age Gaia worship. They like their Bible Old School, Marx and Engels and Stalin meme, and are neither more nor less moral or ethical than any other kulaks anywhere in the world to deal with.

Of course RU politically is a moral vacuum of openly oligarchical gangsters. I had two RU businessmen pull out a fifth of vodka in a Rotterdam Starbucks, and try to drink me into investing $100,000 in some RU mining operation, and they succeeded in finding victims. These same RU mafia Christians sold the former Soviet nuclear Navy ship break reactor cores to West Germany as high-grade surgical stainless steel scrap. Our group sold them the special shipbreak diamond- wire saws, and no doubt 100s of Bangladeshis died of radiation poisoning, before that radioactive mixed steel scrap became surgical tools and razor blades and cooking utensils, where it no doubt still glows in the dark in some kulak's home in Bremerhaven.

They're crooks, they're Russian mafia! What do you think happened to the 1,000,000-man Soviet military? You think they went back to growing turnips? Putin is simply protecting his siphoned-off oil revenues, not one iota different than Erdogan, and he's salvaging the Dasmascus money laundering centers he and the other oiligarchs use, together with Iceland before their financial collapse.

Here ... I managed to find a video that best demonstrates the MoA Community thought process and how easily they are gulled by soft hangout PSYOP on Putin and all the other pop war pron demigods.

Posted by: Chipnik | Dec 30, 2015 3:59:55 AM | 112

Everyone knows how Christianity follows Judaism as being the fulfilment of the coming of the prophecy. All Christians should be aware of the prophecy in the bible of the second coming. I find it remarkable how many people are ignorant how Islam is the fulfilment of this second coming (at least to Muslims). It really helps get those culture wars going.

All 3 religions worship the same god, you all only differ on the small print. You are not at war with a religion, you are being manipulated to support someone's dream of controlling the region.

Posted by: PVP | Dec 30, 2015 5:35:38 AM | 113

Posted by: PVP | Dec 30, 2015 5:35:38 AM | 113

All 3 religions worship the same god, you all only differ on the small print. You are not at war with a religion, you are being manipulated to support someone's dream of controlling the region.

Agree.

As far as I can remember the new testament, Jesus did not teach against sexuality. What he did teach against was the idea of retaliation or revenge. That is a very useful part for society in the small print. It has a tendency to keep sanity, too.
But of course, Christianity as in church and power does not have much to do with what Jesus taught.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 30, 2015 6:19:55 AM | 114

@112 sickening story you wrote.. from what I've heard , doing business with Russians is often a bad deal. Gangster-ridden for sure

Posted by: Refocus | Dec 30, 2015 8:48:43 AM | 115

December 30th 2006. Saddam Hussein executed in Baghdad.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXeNYpwWcAA58qu.jpg:large

Executed by the US Gov. along with the one million of innocent Iraqis. The US completely destroyed Iraq as a society: politically, economically, culturally.

Another anniversary: "125 Years Ago Today the Government Declared Victory in Its “Race War” Against Native Americans"
http://usuncut.com/resistance/wounded-knee-massacre-race-war/

December 29th marks the 125th anniversary of when U.S. soldiers surrounded a band of Indians at Wounded Knee creek, seized their weapons and slaughtered at least 150—many of them women and children.

Any similarity between two massacres are accidental?! Origin of a Nazism is where...?

While not "anniversary" I'll mentioned murder of the Libyan leader. "Civilized" just like to murder and drag their bodied in the light of cameras. Just for display and as expression of its barbarity or might over "sand niggers".

That it was supposed to happen to Bashar al-Assad. But though nut to crack. Still the country has been murdered, half country's population is displaced with lost future and 300.000 killed. The murder in chief succeed. Now the Merchants of Death are asking for removal by "political means", i.e. "there is no place for Assad in Syria". In my opinion Russia fully correspond with this notion, in accordance with newly acquired liberal ideology, and despite, self-serving, an aerial help. Syria or maybe Iraq will be canonized, just like Bosnia rendering them dysfunctional, which is the goal of the West.

I always somehow resist to believe in this but this guy got it right.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43824.htm

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Dec 30, 2015 9:38:37 AM | 116

Looking for MoA, I landed on a religious forum with some strange opinions.

By the way, since religion is being criticized in this thread, I think it should be pointed out that from a Christian point of view, Jews and Muslims are worse than atheists. (Many Christian opinion leaders, such as the Pope for example, are not clear on this.) This is because atheists do not reject God: they merely deny his existence. Jews and Muslims in contrast explicitly and willfully reject God, by stubbornly refusing to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior.

That might be the view of some religious Christian bigots. Christians, Jews and Muslims call themselves "People of the Book" since they share the same prophetic roots. Even when Jesus is not considered the son of God in Islam (how could Allah have children?), Prophet Isa as they call him in Arabic, is highly venerated and revered in Muslim tradition, rooted in the Quran which mentions Prophet Isa by name 25 times, to 4 times Prophet Muhammad. Even when that doesn't establish an order of importance, it highlights the cardinal role of Prophet Isa in Islamic cosmology.

Of the great world religions, the one that is probably most pleasing to the Christian mind is Buddhism. Buddhism leads to many of the results that Christianity does but in different ways, without being obsessed with attacking and denigrating Christianity as Judaism and especially Islam are.

This statement contradicts many Popes, who have denounced Buddhism as an atheistic religion.

Pope John Paul II and His Views on Buddhism

While it is true that Buddhism and Christianity have many principles that are similar to each other, it is also a fact that the two as religion are very separate. This separation was highlighted by Pope John Paul II who, on the one hand, respected Buddhism for all its peaceful and harmonious ways, on the other hand he found it to be a more or, less, atheistic in nature, therefore, difficult to follow. His comment on Buddhism being ‘in large measure an atheistic system’ caught the attention of the media and also criticism from many others.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims share the same prophetic foundation at the root of their religions, the Bible, the Torah, and the Quran, and the same monotheistic belief. Buddhism could be defined as a "non-theistic" religion, more than atheistic, but that's a distinction made by Buddhist themselves, and not perceived by their critics. Buddhists' self-perception as non-theistic has to do with Buddha's description of reality as illusion, differently from atheists who only believe in what they see.

My two pennies to the religious forum, have to keep on looking for MoA.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 30, 2015 9:38:57 AM | 117

@PVP #113:

All 3 religions worship the same god

That statement is patently false and absurd. How can the God who revealed himself be the same as a god who has not? To a Christian, Jesus Christ is God. Jews and Muslims reject this idea vehemently. If the first believe that God is Jesus Christ while the second believe that he is not, obviously the two do not believe in or worship the same god.

The reason that Westerners have been brainwashed into thinking that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all "worship the same god" is that looking at this in an objective and rational manner leads to the inescapable but embarrassing conclusion that Christians worship one god, whereas Jews and Muslims worship another. So yes, Jews and Muslims worship the same god, but that god is not the God that Christians worship.

This completely undermines the Zionist line that you have Christianity and Judaism together (the "Judaeo-Christian ethic or tradition and all that) on the one hand, and Islam on the other. In reality, it is Judaism and Islam that are very similar to each other, whereas Christianity is completely different from the other two in all kinds of ways that I won't go into because this is off topic.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 30, 2015 9:46:21 AM | 118

Sillygisms are a form of dialectic...

rufus magister's dialectic:

1. "A rule of thumb -- Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are. Always worked for me."

2. Fact: Sooner or later, everyone you sleep with turns out to be crazier than you.

3. Therefore, never sleep with anyone. (Except cats.)


Sutton's (and From The Hague 7, ohmyheck 9, and Brandon Smith at Alt-Market) post-modern dialectic:

1. The world is controlled by a secret shadowy unnammed cooperative cabal of financiers who profit from playing one side against the other, like a child's game.

2. Therefore taking part in one side or the other of a war or conflict is only to be a pawn in their game.

3. Therefore, there are no moral choices to be made in the world, and resistance is worse than futile: it is activly aiding and abetting their criminal game.

4. Therefore drop out from inherently complicit political struggle, buy some guns and a years worth of food to prepare for the worst, and join "the liberty community."


Chipnik's dialectic:

1. "RU politically is a moral vacuum of openly oligarchical gangsters"

2. Therefore, all Russians are immoral psychopaths who would sell their own mother for half a kopek.

3. Therefore, Syrians (and by extension MoA) are fools for allying (or supporting such an alliance) with such evilness.

4. Therefore, Syrians should refrain from such evilness masked as resistance and allow their country to be ethnically cleansed by headchoppers while remaining morally pure.

Posted by: Malooga | Dec 30, 2015 9:57:48 AM | 119

@Malooga

It is not dialectic it is a Logical Fallacy

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Dec 30, 2015 10:28:09 AM | 120

@ 119 Malooga

Sutton (mentioned in Bob 59)
http://www.clearnfo.com/americas-secret-establishment/

No need in the West for buying guns and a years food; death and ruin are in countries far away.
Maybe no. 4 in the US can be: vote for the one that wants to stop this ugly game.

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 30, 2015 10:42:41 AM | 121

118;This Christian bred agnostic knows that if there is a God,there is only one,and Jesus was a prophet,not a god,that came from latter Christians,as an outgrowth,I would guess.
The Muslims revere JC.The Jews hate Him(I capitalize to salute Him).
The WSJ says,NSA spies on Congress and the Zionists.The WSJ is definitely upset!
Obomba at least knows his enemies,if he won't spell it out.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 30, 2015 10:49:03 AM | 122

@97 It will be game over for Christianity when Christian values are realized in society. (Hegelian speaking here.) I thought that was beginning to happen after WW II with the welfare state, but it is now clear that I was mistaken. Interestingly, talk of us entering into a "post-Christian" world appeared at the same time that neoliberalism began to dismantle the welfare state.

I can foresee a time when going to church could become a revolutionary act....again. Anyone caught doing it will be publicly ridiculed rather than sent to the arena.

Posted by: dh | Dec 30, 2015 10:57:50 AM | 123

As a "Christian" I follow the teachings of Christ Jesus and have never confused him with Him. Those who use the term Judeo-Christian should back-away from the Scofield bible or the Talmud. Christ rendered Judaism OBSOLETE. He proved its non-efficacy. The OT is largely co-opted allegorical folk-lore. To use it as an excuse for inhumanity -- misses the whole point of the exercise. Then again. Judaism is a means to separate humanity. Whereas the purpose of Christianity is to UNITE humanity. Unfortunately most Christians don't get-it. Nor practice it. They see themselves as some offshoot of EXCEPTIONALISM. The chosen ones. Sad really. When Christ taught us that all mankind is CHOSEN by God. And WE CHOOSE good or not. Puts the owe-ness on us. To make right choices.

Posted by: @122 dahoit | Dec 30, 2015 11:22:27 AM | 124

Apologies to b for going off-topic on the subject of Orthodox Christianity, but several comments were being made that needed clearing up. I will say that in Orthodox Christianity as in many of the bits and pieces that make up the Christian Church, one will find whatever opinion one wishes to find, and that is good because we need diverse opinions, even those of atheists and agnostics. Aspects even of the Creed were not formulated until somebody somewhere was saying something different and people had to think about those differences, just as we here do.

Here is my attitude towards faith in God; God is not constrained by any such human endeavor on our part because He is Being and there is more to that than what we know. If you don't believe in God, fine; that is your choice as a free human being; you are free to decide for yourself. And there are aspects of doubt, of disbelief, which clearly represent the thinking mind. But I insist, so does my faith. In Orthodox prayer, you stand with the mind in the heart before God. As do many different faiths. You must bring your mind, your questioning mind, into that encounter.

We have, we Orthodox, as in science, a methadology aspiring to come close to the infinite, but we ourselves are not that. That is why I say, with a martyred Russian Priest, Father Alexander Men, that anyone who raises his arms towards the heavens is to be respected greatly because that is a very human thing to do. As one of the Syrian refugees said, it never used to be in Syria that different sects fought against one another on religious grounds. It never used to be here as well, but it is getting that way. And who does it benefit? Those who want us warring with one another.

Please, friends, think about this.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 30, 2015 1:07:05 PM | 125

I guess if there are all these religious comments I will add one Bill Moyers/Isaac Asimov interchange

MOYERS: Is it possible that you suffer from an excessive trust in rationality?

ASIMOV: Well, I can't answer that very easily. Perhaps I do, you know. But I can't think of anything else to trust in. If you can't go by reason, what can you go by? One answer is faith. But faith in what? I notice there's no general agreement in the world. These matters of faith, they are not compelling. I have my faith, you have your faith, and there's no way in which I can translate my faith to you or vice versa. At least, as far as reason is concerned, there's a system of transfer, a system of rational argument following the laws of logic that a great many people agree on, so that in reason, there are what we call compelling arguments. If I locate certain kinds of evidence, even people who disagreed with me to begin with, find themselves compelled by the evidence to agree. But whenever we go beyond reason into faith, there's no such thing as compelling evidence. Even if you have a revelation, how can you transfer that revelation to others? By what system?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 30, 2015 1:18:24 PM | 126

Apportioning a phrase from Gore Vidal - Sky God Cults - I don't believe in any of them.
Read this:
The Spirit in the Gene: Humanity's Proud Illusion and the Laws of Nature (Comstock Book)Jun 1, 1999
by Reg Morrison
http://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Gene-Humanitys-Illusion-Comstock/dp/0801436516/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451500042&sr=8-1&keywords=Reg+Morrison

Posted by: okie farmer | Dec 30, 2015 1:29:07 PM | 127

@122 dahoit #124 I follow the teachings of Christ Jesus and have never confused him with Him.

Probably off topic but unfortunately, your posts has a lot of half truths. Jesus didn't come to inaugurate a new religion called Christianity. He told the Samaritan woman at the well that Salvation is from the Jews. Not from contemporary Judaism (aka Talmudism) but from the Jews as He and all the disciples were Jews. There was a scribal attempt to wipe out any text that contradicted the Sadducean party's theology. They believed in no angel, spirit or resurrection. According to them YHWH alone inhabited the spiritual realm. Thus, where the holy scrolls spoke of two YHWH, one visible and one invisible they replaced the visible YHWH with the substitute name, Adonay, haShem, etc. This is recorded in the margins and it is infamously called the Masorah. There are 134 places where the scribes changed the sacred name YHWH with Adonay or hashem. For example: when Abraham saw YHWH, the scribes thought this is impossible and thus they wrote Adonay instead. When both a man and God wrestles with Jacob and changes his name to Israel, they had a problem. In Psalm 110, they had a problem with YHWH speaking to YHWH at His right hand. The truth is that up to the 1st century, Judaism believed in two YHWH, one visible and one invisible supreme over all. These two were/are united Echad as the nightfall and daytime are Echad day (Gen 1:5) as the man and his wife are echad flesh (Gen 2:24) as Pharaoh's two dreams (Ex 41:5) were echad dream (Ex 41:25) as the two sticks are one echad stick in Messiah's hand (Eze 37:19), as He and His Father are echad (John 10:30:John 1:1). In Acts 24:14 we see how the mainstream of phariseeism and saducceism called the followeres of The Way a heresy. After the destruction of the Herodian temple, which was publicly prophesied by Jesus, the rabbis convened an anti-Messianic Sanhedrin at Yavne. They set out to finish what the scribes had started and redefined Judaism without temple, without sacrifice, without Messiah as a hostile reaction to the Netzarim (Jewish) and Gnostic sectarians as recorded in the Birkat haMinim. It was the Jewish Netzarim and not the Gentile Notzarim that were their targets. The split continued with Rabbi Akiva anointing Bar Kochba as Messiah. The Netzarim (Jewish) had been instructed by Messiah to not follow false Messiah's calling themselves liberators. In the meantime, the disciples succeeded in translating the Torah and the prophets into Aramaic, the other sacred language. In the Galilean Aramaic which is a sister language to Hebrew, the substitute for the sacred name is MarYah which means Mar=Lord Yah=YHWH. This name in Aramaic is used several thousand times but exclusively of the deity in all of the Tanakh (aka Old Testament). It is also used and applied to Jesus about 30 times in the NT Aramaic. “Acts 9:27 But Barnabas took him (Paul) and brought him to the apostles, and told them he had seen MarYah (YHVH, who was Jesus) on the way, and how He had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had spoken openly in the name of Jesus .” Even without this extraordinary proof we have other internal evidence that Jesus is the visible YHWH of the OT. In Aramaic, Jesus, identified Himself with the words "Ena Na." This is translated with the unremarkable words I AM. But "Ena Na" is always spoken by the deity in the Tanakh (aka OT). It means "I am that I am" also "I am who was, who is and who will be", "Hayah Asher Hayah" in transliterated Hebrew. Temple guards dropped backwards when they went to arrest Him in the garden of Gethsemani. Such powerful words! Even without this additional extraordinary proof we have further proof that He is YHWH. He declared Himself to be the Lord of the Shabbath and we know it was YHWH who created all things and rested on the seventh day sanctifying it forever. He is whom the angels said will be coming back to the Mt. of Olives from where He ascended. Just looking at the prophecy in Zec 14:3-4 we know that it is YHWH who will stand on the mount of Olives on that day. Last but not least, I draw your attention to the fact that the Peshitta calls Jesus, Mar-Yah multiple times. In fact it says that we are only able to call Jesus, Mar-Yah by the agency of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 15:47). Well the Aramaic Torah tells us who Mar-Yah is. Incidentally Mar-Yah is also Moriah and thus the name of the mountain that we call the Temple Mount where Abraham bound and almost sacrificed, Isaac. This is called the Mountain of Mar-Yah (aka Moriah)

Gen 22:14 Abraham called the name of that place Mar-Yah Will Provide. As it is said to this day, "On Mar-Yah's mountain, it will be provided."

1 Corinthians 12:3
"Because I inform you of this: there is no man who speaks by the Spirit of Alaha and says, 'Y’shua is damned', neither can a man say, 'Y’shua is MARYAH' except by the Set-Apart Spirit.' "
1 Corinthians 15:47
"The first man was dust from the ground; The second Man, MARYAH from heaven."

It is true that there is a new covenant (Jer 31:31-34) and there has been a design to put things upside down by the All Mighty Himself (Isaiah 29:16). Where they (dispersed Israel among the nations) were told You are not my people, lo ammi, (Hosea 1:9) they will be told You are my people (Hosea 1:10;2:23). This follows reconciliation after the divorce letter of Jer 3:8. This is also foretold in the prodigal son's return to the house of his Father.

That Gentiles are also included was no secret as this was prophesied to Abraham, Isaiah, etc. It was foreshadowed in the mixed multitude that left Egypt which will is being fulfilled with the great multitude of Revelation 7. But this doesn't mean that ancient paths have been deemed obsolete. On the contrary, the Father calls for a return to the ancient paths (Jer 18:15).

Don't confuse Talmudism and their man made traditions, a recent invention hostile to Jesus, with the ancient Hebraic/Aramaic paths and faith.

Posted by: Berean | Dec 30, 2015 1:37:47 PM | 128

Fear of Death I think is what drives us to create religious systems. Society requires moral codes.

As a child of the Sixties I have never taken easily to authority. The only religion (not strictly speaking a religion at all) that appealed to me was Buddhism because of its perceived 'do your own thing' approach. But even that requires discipline which I lack.

I'm OK with atheism. Death is either a full stop or a transition to something else. I'm prepared to be surprised.

Posted by: dh | Dec 30, 2015 1:52:13 PM | 129

Malooga, it's good to see you in the bar again! It seems like a long time. I hope you are doing well.

Posted by: Copeland | Dec 30, 2015 2:52:04 PM | 130

On the divisive, bigoted opinions on religion...

A child asked Bawa Muhaiyaddeen...

A child asked Bawa Muhaiyadeen, "What should I say when people in school ask me what religion I am?"

Bawa replied:

"Tell them them you're a Christian because you believe in Jesus.

Tell them you are a Jew because you believe in all the prophets including Moses.

Tell them you're a Muslim because you believe in Muhammad as a Prophet.

Tell them you're a Sufi because you believe in the universal teaching of God's Love.

You're really none of those, but you're all of those in that you believe in God.

And once you believe in God, there is no religion. Once you divide yourself off into religion, you are separated from your fellow man."

----------------------------

I am a Muslim and a Hindu and a Christian and a Jew and so are all of you.

Mahatma Gandhi

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 30, 2015 4:13:20 PM | 131

Muhammad was a fool and a pedophile. He and Buddah have nothing on Jesus who alone is the king of kings and lord of lords.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Dec 30, 2015 4:22:51 PM | 132

@dh 129

Yeah, I agree with you re: Religion & Fear. Fear being one of the more dark tools to control the herd - on the christian front at least, its decline has seen fear as a tool being taken up (largely) by the MSM...and a pretty good job of it they are doing too. Herding the masses, blindly. F**k you bernays.

By my late teens I didn't enjoy the realisation of attempted protestant indoctrination. Nothing serious, just a silly amount of guilt in relation to trivial shite life throws at you... and a whole pack of fairytales passed off as the truth. I dont doubt JC walked and talked...i dont doubt the goodness of his word...and I do appreciate the fact that in another age I'd have been none the wiser.

Getting beyond mortality and being at peace with the the oncoming oblivion was liberating. I feel that makes me less likely somebody's pawn in this life, and more likely to end up in places like this...giving time to similar open and educated thought. And, yes...It'll be a surprise if I take the sum of my being in this life beyond the grave.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 30, 2015 7:00:19 PM | 133

I don't think it is fear of death that drives acceptance of religion. Most people take a religion long before they are fearing death.

It is psychological manipulation.

The desire to belong. The recapitulation of the comforting Parent-Child relationship. An outlet, a hope for grief at losing a loved one. The clever trick of speaking for the Father/God/super-ego ("God wants you to..."; "God says..."; "The word of God..."). Etc.

Why would any GOD/superior being test our belief in him/her/it in this way?

Nature provided us with a moral capacity because there is an evolutionary advantage to working together. In the modern age, this is being used against us. This 'advantage' has been turned to advantage by those who manipulate us.

F*ck religion. Love people, not a 'God'.

You might think that I am 'atheist'. That label does not do justice to the beautiful social and moral sense that we each have and which Jesus recognized when he said "the kingdom of God is within you." He was killed because he saw through the kabuki. I describe myself as humanist.

Happy New Year.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 30, 2015 7:48:31 PM | 134

@134 Jackrabbit

Nice words. Well put together.

Yes, indeed... The individual, and collective, Human Spirit...!

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 30, 2015 8:05:40 PM | 135

@134 Children usually pick up on whatever their parents believe, or don't believe. Group think is certainly a big part of that.

But most religions promise some reward in the afterlife for good behaviour in this one. It can be seen as social engineering I guess. Heaven being preferable to hell. Seems like jihadis are eager to die to claim their 72 virgins.

Posted by: dh | Dec 30, 2015 8:29:37 PM | 136

To MadMax2 from @dh129: Agreed. One should never be a pawn. God created man in His image. Genesis 1:31. The next chapter was it's inverse. Seems to me if God created all in His/Her image. Then something else is responsible for its perversion. And Jesus Christ taught us the difference between Gen 1 and Gen 2. Are we children of God. Or Adam. We get to choose.

To Berean: Whew. That's a lot to read. And I'm a very lazy Christian. But on this we agree. Christ Jesus began his mission to "perfect" Judaism. Until his encounter with the Canaanite woman who pleaded with him to help her daughter. He admonished her as "taking food from the children". She replied "..even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters table.." This was a turning point of his ministry. He never looked back. But even his thought was affected by human tribalism. Until he saw otherwise.

We each must see beyond mortal limitations. Same steps. Same challenges. Same choices. NOTHING has changed in our spiritual development these last several thousand-plus years. That gives me hope. The divine universe is rinse, wash, repeat until we "get-it" right.


Posted by: 4H | Dec 30, 2015 9:19:00 PM | 137

Lookit all this dense print of regurgitated propaganda in this thread. The only thing I need to know about xtianity, judaism, islam, buddhism and the rest of the 'big' religions is that their philosophy is irrelevant to their purpose.
Organised religion exists solely for the purpose of delivering the credulous to the chopping block.
The spruikers who tout this stuff will say anything that is required to keep the people complacently in the status quo or angrily against it -the choice of which depends on what mob of megalomaniacal sociopaths the particular religion's leaders have aligned themselves with.

The most important feature of humans that is rarely if ever found in other animals is our innate urge to discover the underlying cause of things that happen in the world we live.
This drove us to discover ways of controlling fire, developing wheels and all the rest of the tech right up to the screen this is displayed on.

Unfortunately a small percentage of us humans exhibit asocial egocentric behaviours - handy group in times of conflict but a destructive pain in the ass all the rest of the time.

These egocentrics have been using the need to understand WTF is going on that nearly every human has, to exploit the rest of us and have fall into line according to the sociopaths' needs since forever.
This is the flaw in all these nutty old wives' tales -by all means let people believe whatever they choose to but the insistence by all of the major religions that adherents must loudly proclaim their beliefs and congregate together betrays the true raison d'etre for these superstitions. The real purpose of these things is to get people behaving exactly as the sociopaths who want to lead the rest of us, need them to.

Lookit the way xtianity has completely changed it's stance on so many issues that were once some of it's most important tenets. Centuries of teaching the oppression of women or the desirability of kings are tossed out the window when it becomes apparent that the population isn't up for that shit any more.
How can it be that preaching something which would have got a person burnt at the stake for being an heretic is now OK? Isn't alla that shit meant to be the immutable word of god?

Hell no this shit is whatever works and keeps the rich and powerful, rich and powerful.

Hiya Malooga - long time no see saw.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 31, 2015 6:38:44 AM | 138

@4H (aka lazy Christian) #132 You make it sound like Jesus started doing one thing and then He changed gears. It is not like that. That Gentiles were going to be included in the New Covenant was preached to Abraham. The mixed multitude (Ex 12:38) that left Egypt in the Exodus foreshadowed the Great Multitude in Revelation 7. Jesus, aka the Word, is the YHWH of the Old Testament who created all things and rested on the seventh day sanctifying it forever. He said I am the Lord of the Shabbath. The Aramaic manuscripts Peshitta says He is Mar Yah which means Lord YHWH more than 30 times. Mar Yah is a substitute for the sacred name and appears about 7,000 times in the Old Testament exclusively about the Supreme Deity. In Aramaic Peshitta He declares to the temple guards in the garden of Gethsemani, Ena Na! And the mob sent to aprehend Him fell backwards. These words mean "I am That I am" and/or "I am who was, who is and who will be! It is equivalent to "Hayah Asher Hayah" in transliterated Hebrew. In other words, He is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. He didn't change gears to open up the plan of redemption to the Gentiles. This was His plan from the beginning. He had said: "I have some other sheep that are not from this flock."

Posted by: Berean | Dec 31, 2015 10:53:43 AM | 139

@138 debs is dead.. nice rant.. that hits on a good part of it, but not all of it..

Posted by: james | Dec 31, 2015 12:26:22 PM | 140

To Berean: You are a more practiced scholar than me. My goal is salvation. The personal kind. By and large the Jews (aka Pharisee's) didn't want Christ Jesus encroaching on the system they OWNED and OPERATED. Not much has changed. Eh? So the Gentiles became his audience too. He didn't change the message. But he did become more inclusive.

To others commenting above: I don't disagree that religion is a flawed human construct. Done properly. It provides the structure for learning about ones relationship to God. And compels us to be MORE humane. I simply ignore that which is not worthy of a loving, omniscient and omnipresent God.

Posted by: 4H | Dec 31, 2015 7:11:50 PM | 141

[...] And compels us to be MORE humane. [...]
When I grew up, I didn't need a priest to tell me that killing others and stealing is wrong, pretty easy to figure that one out yourself. Even compassion for my fellow beings comes natural.

Besides, fundamental Christians, Muslims, Hindus or Jews are not known to be more humane thanks to their staunch religious beliefs.

Isn't it funny that a large number of people who in their worldly, political life abhor the idea of living under an absolute monarch who has his subjects tortured for not following his orders, favor in spiritual matters the notion that they are ruled by some monotheistic king condemning humans to eternal agony for stepping out of line? Hard to reconcile.

Organised religion has been the curse of mankind for as long as it has been around. Self-perpetuating via parents who insist on muddying their young ones minds with the same claptrap they themselves were spiritually neutered with at a young age. In my mind, threatening kids with a made up hell is child abuse.

If it weren't for this religiously enforced narrow mindedness when it comes to exploring the many possibilities of who we truly are and our place within the universe, with billions of free thinkers instead of dogmatists populating human history, there is a good chance mankind's philosophical quest would have delivered much deeper insights into our spirit and its potential than the select few the various churches have been peddling throughout the ages.

Religion - Opium for the masses. Great for social engineering purpose, keeps everyone obedient, entrenches the patriarchate, the promise of a better life after death will make people's suffering more bearable, always at the ready as a reason to go to war over, and the perfect excuse for when things go wrong, err, it was god's will you know. If I'd be a ruler I would want me some of that for my underlings. Spread it, far and wide!

Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 31, 2015 9:17:16 PM | 142

@ 4H- #141 To Berean: You are a more practiced scholar than me. My goal is salvation. The personal kind. By and large the Jews (aka Pharisee's) didn't want Christ Jesus encroaching on the system they OWNED and OPERATED. Not much has changed. Eh? So the Gentiles became his audience too. He didn't change the message. But he did become more inclusive.

I am no scholar. I am doing my "due diligence" and it takes a lifetime of study, searching, finding and validating. Who said: "Search the scriptures for you think they grant you life eternal and all they speak of Me" ? I think we both know the answer. So, I am searching and finding. In Aramaic, Mar-Yah, means Lord -YAH or Master YHWH. It appears about 7000 times in the Law and the Prophets. In the NT it is applied to Jesus about 30 times.

John uses ego eimi when Jesus answers the questions: who are you? Are you the anointed one? Ego eimi is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew phrase Isaiah used to describe Deity in Isaiah 43:10, Dr. James White notes,

“The closest and most logical connection between John’s usage of ego eimi and the Old Testament is to be found in the Septuagint rendering of a particular Hebrew phrase, ani hu in the writings (primarily) of Isaiah. The Septuagint translates the Hebrew phrase ani hu as ego eimi in Isaiah 41:4, 43:10 and 46:4.”

Salvation is akin to Redemption. In the Law and the prophets, the concept of Redemption by the next of kin kinsman Redeemer is well developed. You may want to look into it. It is advisable to try to get acquainted with He who causes this Salvation - Redemption to be. He will turn many away on that day and say to them: I do not know you.

Posted by: Berean | Jan 1, 2016 2:48:36 AM | 143

@ Demian 118 To a Christian, Jesus Christ is God. Jews and Muslims reject this idea vehemently. If the first believe that God is Jesus Christ while the second believe that he is not, obviously the two do not believe in or worship the same god. In reality, it is Judaism and Islam that are very similar to each other, whereas Christianity is completely different from the other two in all kinds of ways

Very well stated!

Posted by: Berean | Jan 1, 2016 8:31:37 AM | 144

To Berean: No. Not all Christians believe Jesus Christ=God. Arius did not. And differences in the Nicean Creed reflect those schisms. Point being. There have always been Christians who did not believe Christ was God in human form. And yes. One should ALWAYS educate oneself. And study what other thinkers discovered along the way. But metaphysical light comes from within. Being a Christian doesn't assure morality. Neither does non-Christian or atheist indicate immorality. Moral sanity is based on individual CHOICES. Seems to me those choices can't be dictated by anything but ones own consciousness.

It was Louis Carroll who said the singular value of Christianity is the concept of grace. Very much akin to "redemption" and "salvation". Also "revelation". And Truth.

I believe Christ Jesus is the "way-shower". I do NOT believe he "died for my sins" so that I might run off and do whatever the hell I please -- say a few "hail Mary's" -- and not suffer the consequences. Metaphysically speaking -- every step he took -- I take too. Like following a Sherpa up the mountain. Its done in consciousness. And the desired result is a decent and noble life. Not a PERFECT human one.

Not here to argue. Just to affirm that we each find humanity and morality within. No one is exceptional. I happen to use Christ Jesus as a template. Others find it elsewhere. That's cool. Moral sanity is humanities glue. As Potter Stewart said about the definition of pornography. I know it when I see it.

BTW. Rowan Williams wrote an excellent book on Arius and the Heretics. It's an interesting read.

Posted by: 4H | Jan 1, 2016 10:43:42 AM | 145

@143 I appreciate your concern for my salvation Berean but to me "Salvation is akin to Redemption. In the Law and the prophets, the concept of Redemption by the next of kin kinsman Redeemer is well developed. You may want to look into it." sounds like a veiled threat. Why not just say 'Get with the program or down you go.'

Posted by: dh | Jan 1, 2016 11:33:23 AM | 146

All right, I'll bite:

Then again. Judaism is a means to separate humanity. Whereas the purpose of Christianity is to UNITE humanity.

One might imagine that "uniting" humanity would have to include all of humanity, and therefore adherents of Judaism, as well as Buddhists, Jains, etc. too. But what do I know?

For me, faith (and doubt) is a personal existential journey which continuously evolves and deepens throughout my life. Sharing that journey with others, including the form of organized religion, is a form of brotherhood in the face of the finite and the infinite.

What I find most interesting is that people of such differing religious beliefs should share enough in common concern to frequent this blog and interact constructively together.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 1, 2016 1:23:48 PM | 147

To Malooga: As a matter of fact -- you're right. The purpose of Christianity -- and of THE CHRIST -- is to unite ALL humanity. Regardless of tribe or affiliation. The fact that people act in ways contrary to Christ's teachings isn't surprising. We all struggle to "love our neighbor". But even those who don't believe in God believe in love. I believe God is Love. The rest is just semantics.

Some Christians see humanity as an empty vessel. Waiting for Christ=God to "fill them up". I see me--and all mankind--as the OIL. The job is to pour forth in whatever way God leads. That's "Christianity 101" to me.

And yes. It's nice to read others who contemplate the divine from different perspectives. We are more similar than what evil wishes us to believe.

Posted by: 4H | Jan 1, 2016 3:19:38 PM | 148

Sun Tzu says:

...Jesus who alone is the king of kings and lord of lords

it was a long time ago...but i can imagine the 'mad' bohemian wandering thitherward from Nazareth, through the towns and hemp-clad slopes of the Bekaa Valley, perhaps with a head full of hemp, in the shadows of the majestic Baalbek, out on the fringe of EMPIRE, with his radical message of peace and brotherly love.

Posted by: john | Jan 2, 2016 7:07:24 AM | 149

Barry 'Quagmire' Obama

Posted by: Jak Jones | Jan 8, 2016 1:13:06 AM | 150

OK started reading some comments. Had to reply. All in the next paragraph is BS.

Putins 'In on' the globalist takeover. Russias made a bad move in Syria. Russias going to go broke. US is number 1. US has a plan.

All the next paragraph is true.

Russia has a good plan. Putins brilliant. Barrys gay. USA is bankrupt. USA has been hijacked by a holes

Posted by: Jak Jones | Jan 8, 2016 1:21:53 AM | 151

From the Hague @ 7,

You forgot the global currency, or digital money, which is the same thing. Coming soon, to theatres near you.

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 21, 2016 11:35:40 AM | 152

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