November 16, 2015
Putin Names And Shames Obama Into Bombing IS Oil Smugglers
The U.S. claims it wants to hit the Islamic State but in one year of bombing it never really touched one of its biggest sources of income. Hundreds of oil tanker trucks are waiting every day at IS distribution points to smuggle oil to Turkey and elsewhere. Only one such distribution point was ever bombed and that attack was by the Iraqi air force.
Now the Russian President Putin played some "name and shame" at the G-20 meeting in Turkey and, lo and behold, the problem gets solved.
The Obama administration recently claimed it would increase attacks on the most expensive Syrian oil infrastructure which is owned by the Syrian government but under IS control. But it said it would still not hit the large truck gatherings.
While the American-led air campaign has conducted periodic airstrikes against oil refineries and other production facilities in eastern Syria that the group controls, the organization’s engineers have been able to quickly repair damage, and keep the oil flowing, American officials said. The Obama administration has also balked at attacking the Islamic State’s fleet of tanker trucks — its main distribution network — fearing civilian casualties.
But now the administration has decided to increase the attacks and focus on inflicting damage that takes longer to fix or requires specially ordered parts, American officials said.
The obvious target to stop the oil trade is to hit the trucks. Without trucks the other infrastructure is useless for IS as the oil can not be sold. With trucks destroyed the men behind the smuggling will lose all profits and leave the business. The "civilian casualties" argument does not hold. There could be warnings to avoid human damage or one could consider that these oil smugglers are dealing with terrorists and thereby accomplices. The real U.S. reluctance to hit the oil smuggling might be out of deference to the Turkish government which of course profits from such oil transfers.
Then came along Russia and its President Putin and demonstrated at the current G-20 meeting that the U.S. is not serious about fighting IS. Today the Turkish journalist Abdullah Bozkurt reports remarks by President Putin from a G-20 sideline event:
Abdullah Bozkurt @abdbozkurt
Putin in #Turkey: I provided examples based on our data on the financing of different #ISIL units by private individuals.
"This money, as we have established, comes from 40 countries and, there are some of the G20 members among them”, Putin says
"I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space & from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil"
Putin provided that information and the photos yesterday. Obama must have been deeply embarrassed and pissed. Suddenly, a day after Putin exposed the U.S. reluctance to hit IS where it is needed, a big truck assembly was bombed:
Intensifying pressure on the Islamic State, United States warplanes for the first time attacked hundreds of trucks on Monday that the extremist group has been using to smuggle the crude oil it has been producing in Syria, American officials said. According to an initial assessment, 116 trucks were destroyed in the attack, which took place near Deir al-Zour, an area in eastern Syria that is controlled by the Islamic State.
Until Monday, the United States had refrained from striking the fleet used to transport oil, believed to include more than 1,000 tanker trucks, because of concerns about causing civilian casualties. As a result, the Islamic State’s distribution system for exporting oil had remained largely intact.
It seems that Putin's naming and shaming with regards to the oil smuggling was successful. We might soon see a similar effect on the financing sources he mentioned.
Posted by b on November 16, 2015 at 12:05 PM | Permalink
The bluster from the Fake War on Terror cranks is terminallly irritating now. "Officially" the Paris slaughter was planned in Belgium with help from French citizens. But France is bombing Syria - not Belgium and/or France.
Deja vu (all over again)?
After 9/11 some wag pointed to the lack of logic in 'discovering' that ALL of the 9/11 perps were Saudis but Bush II bombed AFGHANISTAN - not Saudi Barbaria.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 17, 2015 8:59:55 AM | 101
I fully agree with you, the sentence is unclear and I also think it is not even good french. A "solution" can't have an 'issue' in the sense of outcome. A solution IS the outcome of a negotiation, a fight.
Maybe he meant issue in the meaning of way in/out but then the sentence is awkward.
Hollande is incompetent and weak, what he says is usually full of panache but empty. He announced in big that France would close its borders.. which borders? All aiports and train stations have remained open...
Posted by: virgile | Nov 17, 2015 9:12:49 AM | 102
OT. This Irish guy in Paris puts the Paris attacks into a global context, imperialism, migrant crisis, globalisation, etc. I don’t share *all* aspects of his pov (e.g. migrant crisis, which I see as an accident that was waiting to happen), sure he is well worth a listen.
RT 10 mins.
Posted by: Noirette | Nov 17, 2015 9:16:30 AM | 103
Here we go, here we go, SOHR received a copy of a footage where the spokesman declared the readiness of 15 rebel factions to work under the banner of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in Aleppo and Idlib. The announcement stated, “under the recent developments on the Syrian arena, and the expansion of terrorism in several areas committing massacres against the Syrian people, where the phenomena of terrorism has become linked to Daesh (IS) and its sisters as well as the Baathist criminal regime, and due to the victories achieved by SDF in al- Jazira area, the following rebel factions of Jaysh al- Thuwar, the Division 30, of Shohadaa Rif Idlib Brigade, Ayn Jalout Brigade, the Infantry Brigade 99, al- Hamzah Birgade, al- Qa’qa’ Brigade, the Special Forces Brigade 455, al- Salajeqa Brigade, the Regiment 102, Ahrar al- Sham, the Tribe Forces in Aleppo and it countryside, Jabhat al- Akrad, YPG, YPJ, which are exist in Aleppo and Idlib, declare their readiness to work under SDF banner in Aleppo and
Posted by: Our ma | Nov 17, 2015 9:21:51 AM | 104
Between the onset of the global Cold War in 1948 and its conclusion in 1990, the US government secured the overthrow of at least twenty-four governments in Latin America, four by direct use of US military force, three by means of CIA-managed revolts of assassination, and seventeen by encouraging local military and political forces to intervene without direct US participation, usually through military coup d'etat. There actions enhanced the capacity of US leaders to shape events throughout the region by making intervention a credible threat even in countries where it had not yet occurred. As a consequence, for over forty years. Latin Americans were ruled by governments more conservative (and thus reliably anti-Comunisnt) than Latin American voters were inclined to elect or than US citizen themselves would have been inclined to tolerate.
The human cost of this effort was immense. Between 1960, by which time the Soviets had dismantled Stalin's gulags, and the Soviet collapse in 1990, the numbers of political prisoners, torture victims, and executions of nonviolent political dissenters in Latin America vastly exceeded those in the Soviet Union and its East European satellites. In other words, from 1960 to 1990, the Soviet bloc as a whole was less repressive, measured of human victims, than many individual Latin American countries.
The hot Cold War in Central America produced an unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe. Between 1975 and 1991, the death toll alone stood at nearly 300.000 in a population of less than 30 million. More than 1 million refuges fled from the region - most to the US. The economic costs have never been calculated, but were huge. In the 1980s these costs did not affect US policy because the burden on the United States was negligible. Indeed, there were benefits. Calling attention to threats emanating from region so close to the United States helped the Regan administration gain credibility and build support for its other priorities, including major increase in defense spending. Decades of confrontation with the Soviet Union had created political culture that rewarded aggressive behavior when the costs could be passed on to others.
Since many of the concerns the Regan administration expressed about Central America were empirically false or historically implausible, many historians an political scientists have tended to conclude that US policy in Central America during the Cold War cannot be explained as the result of rational calculation. Policy makers, they claim, suffered from a kind of anti-Communist cultural malaise or imperial hubris. Jorge Dominguez has argued, for example, that the Cuban revolution so traumatized US policy-makers that, at crucial moments in the succeeding decades, US policy became "illogical". But for Central Americans, it made little difference whether the Cold War policies of the United States arose from rationally calculated malevolence or merely undisciplined atavism. Many question whether this sad history came to a definitive end when the Cold War ended.
John H. Coatsworth, Professor of International and Public Affairs
Posted by: Neretva'43 | Nov 17, 2015 9:28:49 AM | 105
How come ISIL never attacks Israel?
Give it a rest. They are not near Israel, and Israel hasn't attacked them.
Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 17, 2015 9:47:47 AM | 108
Pretty bad news, and I'm not talking about yet another letter soup name to appease Western public of jihadis "democratic" values.
What worries me, it seems Kurds (together with jihadis) might openly start fighting SAA, there were already recent attacks by Kurds on SAA, and this could escalate. I guess US project of Kurdistan and Balcanisation of Syria is gaining ground.
Posted by: Harry | Nov 17, 2015 9:52:59 AM | 109
@ Laguerre | 106
Al Qaeda directly controls border region between Golan and Syria, with FULL Israel support. This includes thousands tons of weapons, air cover, safe zones, treatment, etc.
Another faction of Al Qaeda as ISIS operates more North and East of Syria, however they also get plenty of Israel made weapons. Why would Israel attack any of Al Qaeda brands (Al Nusra, ISIS, etc) if they do Israel's bidding? While those jihadis naturally wont bite the hand of their supporter.
Posted by: Harry | Nov 17, 2015 10:00:17 AM | 110
My prediction @ 37 has come through with announcement that both USA and Turkey intend to seal & occupy the border between Turkey and Syria.
Why would the Kurds, Assad and Russia agree to this without a UN mandate and without Syria's authorization?
Likewise, it is noteworthy that France has invited herself to bombings raids at Raqqa followed by Russian Cruise missiles launched at Raqqa. Humm, this looks to me like Russia saying to France, you do not have exclusivity in reaching Raqqqa.
In parallel, Putin is saying to Cameron let's cooperate in dealing with ISIS. What is the Quid pro Quo? What is in it for the Russians? The Russians were told officially that there was a bomb on board the plane that went down in Sinai. The UK was first in sharing some intelligence about it but never shared with the Russians. The Russians are offering $50 million for any leads to the culprits. Those involved are probably being hunted down by their handlers if still alive which is doubtful. Putin and the entire Russian security would be under pressure to hunt the masterminds down. The money to fund this operation came from fat coffers. I wouldn't put it past the Saudis or Qatar elites and maybe other regional players too.
It does seem that all of these stakeholders are being invited to the neighborhood of Tel Megido for a great big battle. It is also said: keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Me thinks the Russian's are cunning and can study the Signals signature of NATO aircraft and their ECM. They can also study their choice of allies in the ground and their choice of targets.
What is happening with Soleimani, is he dead or injured? If he was dead they would be repatriating his remains with honors as they usually do.
Posted by: Sun Tzu | Nov 17, 2015 10:05:46 AM | 111
Perahps the US Treasury Department devoted to tracking down and interdicting terrorist financing can explain why it has made zero progress on this? It is very good a tracking down 'terrorist' funding such as donations to Palestinian children care charities, but this? Nada.
Posted by: Anonymouse | Nov 17, 2015 10:14:25 AM | 112
Major General Soleimani alive and well: IRGC
Often, the Israelis write down their dreams in the form of news and spread them through their media in the cyberspace,” he [the head of the IRGC’s Public Relations Office, Brigadier General Ramezan Sharif] said. “The fake news about Major General Qassem Soleimani’s martyrdom is of this sort.”
Posted by: jfl | Nov 17, 2015 10:24:53 AM | 113
Looks like Laguerre just exposed himself as a gentler version of Wayoutwest. Makes it easier to ignore his tripe going forward.
Posted by: Bruno Marz | Nov 17, 2015 10:33:16 AM | 114
@ Laguerre 106
Well....there seems to be an intifada taking place in Israel between sunnis and zionists, and there are sunnis rebels on the Golan Heights border right between the two countries, yet Israel seems to have a cloak of protection from the terrorists of ISIS.
Posted by: shadyl | Nov 17, 2015 10:33:49 AM | 115
106;What?Isus isn't near them?Holy moly,how do they treat the injured rebels then,by transporter beam?
I mean its obvious they are a foreign policy arm of Zion,and their boy toys the Saudis and gulf states.
And they have,t touched US either lately.
Russians killed,Iraqis Syrian Libyans Yemenis;OK.French killed,the world cries.gimme a break.
Hypocrisy growth is off the charts.
Posted by: dahoit | Nov 17, 2015 10:35:37 AM | 116
There are Kurds and then there are Kurds as far as I can see. The US owns some Kurdish warlords from Iraq. There are native Kurds in Syria. These ... @102 ... are probably the former? Maybe the chiefs will have to go without the indians?
Russia holds the presidency of the UNSC ... how come there's no resolution condemning aggression against Syria and calling for UN troops to support the legitimate government there? And a resolution condemning the support of terrorist aggression, and proposing economic warfare agains - or at least exposing - the malfactors of same as well? At the very least the world could watch the West collectively vetoing same.
Posted by: jfl | Nov 17, 2015 10:37:57 AM | 117
I agree absolutely. Da'esh is a coproduction of the two fundamentalist takfiri regimes in the region : Israel and the KSA. And has them both under its wings - left wing for Israel, right wing for the KSA, of course.
Posted by: jfl | Nov 17, 2015 10:42:56 AM | 119
And the US has them both under its wings ...
Posted by: jfl | Nov 17, 2015 10:43:57 AM | 120
Thanks for links @ jfl #111 & Anonymouse #116. I knew that Mossad wishes to see him stiff. I read that the US is sending an aircraft carrier task group to the Persian Gulf while Russia is intensifying aerial strike with Tupolev long range bombers and with Cruise missile launches off the coast of Syria. So all the territory of Syria is covered plus the neighborhood. If I were a Saudi or Qatari enabler or handler, I would be looking over my shoulder and changing cars and places where I sleep. ;-)
Posted by: Sun Tzu | Nov 17, 2015 10:56:01 AM | 121
ISIS not near Israel? ISIS's branch in the Sinai is on the Israeli border. What's more, it's not that far from the highly sensitive Israeli nuclear facility at Dimona.
Posted by: lysias | Nov 17, 2015 11:37:06 AM | 122
For the weapon industry everything moves fine in Syria.
At his moment a lot of parties can ‘legitimately’ use all kinds of weapons on ISIL.
After that -when ISIL is defeated or has lost priority- we just go on.
Candidates enough; SAA, rebels, ‘kurds’ a.s.o., we will see.
This is much better than the relative short fight in Libya.
Enough cities left in Syria that can be totally destroyed.
Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 17, 2015 11:38:41 AM | 123
Putin Orders MoD to Cooperate With French Naval Group
"A French naval group led by an aircraft carrier will soon enter your area of operations," Vladimir Putin old Oleg Krivorog, who heads the Russian naval unit protecting the airbase in Syria hosting Russian warplanes. "It is necessary to establish direct contact with the French and work with them as allies."
I wonder if Putin told the French they were his new allies? Just kidding. I think.
Posted by: jfl | Nov 17, 2015 11:41:26 AM | 124
I definitely think Lebanon is next. Israel must protect the Leviathan gas field.
The secretary general of Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah says those who have supported ISIL are now finding out the extent of its brutality. Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah condemned the terrorist attacks in Paris and expressed solidarity with the French people. He also slammed Thursday’s bombings in Beirut. Nasrallah said Israel and ISIL are trying to ignite a war in Lebanon. He noted that the ISIL attack in Beirut was meant to pressure Hezbollah to withdraw from the battle against terrorism in Syria. However, he stressed that Hezbollah is more determined in the fight against Takfiris in the region. Nasrallah also warned about the danger of sectarianism in Lebanon. He said sectarian strife will only serve the interests of Lebanon’s enemies, and not the Lebanese people.
Posted by: shadyl | Nov 17, 2015 11:43:08 AM | 125
TEHRAN (FNA)- Around 1 million Syrians have returned to their home cities liberated by the Syrian military with the Russian aerial back up, Syria’s ambassador to the United Nations, Bashar Jafari said, adding that Damascus is determined to work with any state that takes combatting terrorism seriously.
Posted by: bbbbb | Nov 17, 2015 12:05:22 PM | 127
OT - "The US State Department have approved a deal worth $1.3 billion. This equates to 22,000 smart bombs that are to be used in the Saudi military campaign in Yemen. Although Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest buyers of US weapons, the US Congress have 30 days to renege on the deal if they choose so." business as usual, supplying warmongers with the warmongers apparatus..
Posted by: james | Nov 17, 2015 12:06:43 PM | 128
The exact translation ( I am french speaking). He is considering Bashar al Bashar as a nuisance that will be taken care by finding a solution that would exclude him, while emphasizing that the enemy in Syria is Daesh.
"In Syria, we are resolutely looking for a political solution in which Bashar al-Assad could not be the outcome. Our enemy in Syria is Daech."
Thanks for confirming the clarification Mina made to the Russian interpretation of Hollande's statement.
[...] "En Syrie, nous cherchons résolument une solution politique dans laquelle Bachar el Assad ne peut constituer l'issue. Notre ennemi en Syrie, c'est Daech." […]
This is purposely extremely ambiguous and vague, open to different interpretations, so it is hard to translate. Hollande is hanging on as best as he can to the no-never-Assad position.
Literal trans.: In Syria, we resolutely seek a political solution..(okey doke got that)
may sound odd in Eng, but it is just as odd in F! A translator would scratch his head, within which, which what?
Assad cannot constitute…
*be*, the vaguest, probably best, but often: form, comprise, be part of, etc. -> it really is unclear speech
outcome is indeed correct as standard trans. Other, besides a real physical EXIT, plus other related meanings / uses ::
at the end/conclusion of / term of /after/.. the process, the meeting, the events, the winding up, end-run, etc. It can also come close to ‘conclusion, solution’…
For what it’s worth, I listened to Hollande’s first speech after the attacks, but not closely, so ??? He used the words guerre interne, internal war, which is not a declaration of war. Also combat and combattre, whose meanings in F have a wider semantic field, aka metaphorical use, than in Eng. [...]
[...] In short, Hollande fudged everything, deliberately.
That was my impression, whoever wrote his speech wanted to make clear IS is the main enemy, and make a fuzzy statement about Assad, which Russian and US media twisted to their convenience, preparing Hollande's visit to Obama (Nov. 24), and to Putin (Nov. 26). Thanks for taking the time to explain in detail what would have been otherwise lost in translation.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Nov 17, 2015 12:18:16 PM | 129
I didn't know that any 'cities' had been liberated by the Axis forces in Syria for these million people to return to.
Posted by: Wayoutwest | Nov 17, 2015 12:25:49 PM | 130
Just got it... English native hears "issue", meaning "the topic", i.e. "Bashar is not the topic", that is probably the origin of the mistake of Sputnik
French would say "l'issu du conflit", i.e. the outcome, the solution, of the conflict. But it is hardly used about a person (to me it sounds just as "bad French"). But our politicians are not reputed to be good anyway.
Hope the Germans of MoA don't start a thread on linguistics or it might become very boring.
Posted by: Mina | Nov 17, 2015 12:57:26 PM | 131
some history, the third world war (West vs. East) started march 17, 2011.
march 17, Medvedev didn’t veto
The representatives of China and the Russian Federation, explaining their abstentions, prioritized peaceful means of resolving the conflict and said that many questions had not been answered in regard to provisions of the resolution, including, as the Russian representative put it, how and by whom the measures would be enforced and what the limits of the engagement would be. He said the resolution included a sorely needed ceasefire, which he had called for earlier. China had not blocked the action with a negative vote in consideration of the wishes of the Arab League and the African Union, its representative said.
march 21, Medvedev feels guilty
Unfortunately, we see from the developments now unfolding that real military action has begun. This is something that cannot be allowed to happen. I hope that all of the countries currently involved in the operations to enforce the no-fly zone in Libya, and who are using their armed forces, act with the understanding that any steps they take must be in the Libyan people’s interests and in order to prevent further loss of life and Libya’s disintegration as a country.
march 24, Putin very angry
Putin, who made global headlines on Monday when he called NATO airstrikes on Libya a "medieval crusade," a day later stood his ground and suggested anyone involved in the Libyan "tragedy should think about [civilian casualties] and pray for the salvation of their own souls."
Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 17, 2015 12:59:55 PM | 132
The series of terror attacks on Paris is looking more and more like a NATO false flag to provide excuse for France to escalate military intervention in Syria. Compare the response to the terrorist attack on France with the bombing of Russian plane. More people died in Russian plane bombing and yet there is no “we are Russian too,” or freaking black ribbon on Google's homepage or Russian flag superimposed behind a twitter or youtube symbol. Why are Russians NOT also seen as fellow humans to the Western world? The whole thing smacks of full-scale media propaganda.
Posted by: Cynthia | Nov 17, 2015 1:05:32 PM | 133
@132 mina.. thanks. how dare anonymous stop the superficial-ness.. don't worry, cia, and fbi will get it up running soon enough!
Posted by: james | Nov 17, 2015 1:19:25 PM | 136
more ot - "The head of the FSB spy agency, Alexander Bortnikov, said: "A homemade bomb containing up to one kilo of TNT detonated during the flight, causing the plane to break up in mid air, which explains why parts of the fuselage were spread over such a large distance. One can say unambiguously that it was a terror act."
He said that traces of foreign-made explosive had been found on the personal belongings of plane passengers."
Posted by: james | Nov 17, 2015 1:26:22 PM | 137
Syrian passports found at Paris attacks scene were fakes made in Turkey.
Posted by: james | Nov 17, 2015 1:27:54 PM | 138
Russia's Foreign Ministry has issued a document condemning United States policy to be the cause of Daesh and urges all nations to join an anti-Hitler like coalition to totally defeat the Outlaw Empire's favorite tool--international terrorism:
"The recent tragic developments confirm the topicality of Russia’s continuous warnings that permanent destabilization in the Middle East by those who claim global dominance, primarily the United States, could lead to the expansion of the zone of bloody chaos and entail numerous human tragedies ...
"It is high time responsible countries of the world step over their tactical differences to follow the path of forming a broad anti-terror coalition following the lead of the anti-Hitler coalition as a example of unification of many countries and nations against common enemy ...
"It is obvious that the irresponsible and faulty policy of the West pursued under the slogan of ‘export of democracy’ has resulted in the emergence and strengthening of the so-called Islamic State. Attempts to use radical groups as a battering-ram to topple unwanted regimes are fraught with further negative scenarios," https://tass.ru/en/politics/837297
No more being polite; the gloves are now off.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 17, 2015 1:40:30 PM | 139
From the Hague @ 90
I'm a lover of the Kurds? By demanding of their human rights to a nationstate ? you're not even trying to not be a moron and your hateful contempt to their misery. Is your hard-on for Putin so large that it's blocking out your worldview? Not really a question, of course it is.
Since you find being a dipshit so comfortable and you set your own standards Above, you also expose yourself in denial of sovereignty to peoples like the Palestinians, The genocidal slaughter of Myanmar Muslems, and many more. Or are you a hypocrite or have double standards. Who knows, I guess what ever mood you're brain boner takes you in.
How about the break up of you Yougoslavia with my parents being Croatian, and they were all begging to break free from the repression of this Yugoslavs and the Serbs ? Did you support breaking up of that "sovereign state" then moron ? Want to come here and tell me dad that you should live under repression for the rest of his life, dickhead ?
Almost Every single Croatian I know said that war was worth it. And the fact you would deny a peoples sovreinity, self-determination, and autonomy shows what a despicable piece of shit you are.
If you think you can get away being an ass-wipe in reply to me, then keep going.
Posted by: tom | Nov 17, 2015 1:55:01 PM | 140
@ Noirette 101: Awesome link, A to Z explanation on "GWOT". Thanks!
Posted by: ben | Nov 17, 2015 2:07:30 PM | 141
"Almost Every single Croatian I know said that war was worth it."
It depends what "kind" of Croatians, or Serb, or Bosnian, or Slovenes is being asked that question. And where.
If being asked in the US, Canada, Australia there are third generation, they parents were Nazi collaborators, and strangely they do not speak mother tongue language yet there are fierce nationalist meaning Nazis. And finally covertly or overtly they worked for CIA. This is worth for all the named above.
In those countries itself, which cannot even been termed as client countries, these countries living like in void, poverty and destitution is widespread. Now if you had asked those of 20-30 and something they maybe saying that. That age population do not have memories of old system so there are not qualified to say anything about that.
"....they were all begging to break free from the repression of this Yugoslavs and the Serbs?" as for this it doesn't deserve any comment since coming from both sides in different version and you can read that at BBC, CNN and the like neofascits propaganda government's mouthpieces. Also Counterpunch writer's Diana Johnstone, louisproyet.com and some others.
All in all your comment is garbage, and you are also garbage since you are buying such garbage. Garbage on garbage that how it goes is pile of it. Just as Fox channel (and the others Ch.) is watched by garbage people.
Posted by: Neretva'43 | Nov 18, 2015 9:39:09 AM | 143
Why not as who buys the oil? :D
Posted by: schoko | Nov 23, 2015 8:00:27 AM | 144
Posted by: schoko | Nov 23, 2015 8:00:42 AM | 145