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February 03, 2015

AFP: Calling Americans "A Great People" Is "Anti-American"

This, by AFP, is one of the most misleading propaganda efforts I have ever seen.

The headline:

Ukraine run by 'miserable' Jews: rebel chief

80% of the readers will not read more than that headline.

The first paragraph:

Donetsk (Ukraine) (AFP) - Ukraine's pro-Russian rebel chief on Monday branded the country's leaders "miserable" Jews in an apparent anti-Semitic jibe.

Of those 20% of the readers who will read the first paragraph only one forth will also read the second one. The "anti-semitic" accusation has thereby been planted in 95% of the readership. Now here is the second paragraph:

Alexander Zakharchenko, leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, claimed that Kiev's pro-Western leaders were "miserable representatives of the great Jewish people".

Saying that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were "miserable representatives of the great American people" would be "anti-American"? What is anti-semitic in calling "the Jewish people" "great"?

The AFP reporter and editor who put that up deserve an Orwellian reward. It is one of the most misleading quotations I have ever seen. Accusing Zakharchenko of anti-semitism when he is actually lauding Jews.

Now I do not agree with Zakharchenko. There is no such thing as "the Jewish people" in the sense of a racial or national determination. There are people of various nationalities and racial heritages who assert that they follow, or their ancestors followed, religious Jewish believes. Some of them may have been or are "great". But that does not make them "the Jewish people" just like followers of Scientology do not make "the Scientologish people".

Posted by b on February 3, 2015 at 06:51 AM | Permalink

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Could anyone find the russian source/link on this?

Posted by: Anonymous_test | Feb 3, 2015 8:12:29 AM | 1

If that headline were printed naming Hollande ... 'France run by 'miserable' Jews: National Front' ... Marine Le Pen would be facing a criminal charge, wouldn't she?

That's the idea. To associate the federalists in Ukraine with criminals in France.

'France run by 'miserable' Arabs: National Front' ... unlikely though it is, wouldn't need the quotes around miserable, would it. Could be accompanied by an insulting cartoon as well.

Or is that now, must be accompanied by an insulting cartoon ... or be declaimed as supporting terrorism?

Posted by: jfl | Feb 3, 2015 8:20:03 AM | 2

A few years ago, AFP were reasonably reputable. Misquoting someone in order to put words in his mouth is as good a way as any for AFP to have itself added to everyone's list of disreputable news sources.
Self promotion vs self demotion?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 3, 2015 8:20:29 AM | 3

@1

Saker has a link to the youtube, the audio in Russian with English subtitles. It begins at about 12:30.

Posted by: jfl | Feb 3, 2015 8:27:41 AM | 4

@3

When Sarkozy came in AFP really hit the skids. Like the NYTimes and Bush XLIII.

Posted by: jfl | Feb 3, 2015 8:30:02 AM | 5

an ignorant qurestion raised by this post: will the following threaten the internet as a [the only] reality check?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/technology/in-net-neutrality-push-fcc-is-expected-to-propose-regulating-the-internet-as-a-utility.html?_r=0

Posted by: rjj | Feb 3, 2015 8:59:52 AM | 6

The US Empire is demonizing the rebels in eastern Ukraine in order to justify more arms sales to the Ukraine.

My newspaper brought the news that Obama is "under pressure" to arm the Kiev government.

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 3, 2015 10:24:30 AM | 7

@7. Obama looks weak. The Russians are thumbing their noses at us. 'We' must do something.

Posted by: dh | Feb 3, 2015 11:07:40 AM | 8

When Sarkozy came in AFP really hit the skids. Like the NYTimes and Bush XLIII.
Posted by: jfl | Feb 3, 2015 8:30:02 AM | 5

Yep. Sarko's mission was to 'save' France from the 'Freedom Fries' slur.
'Old Europe' cringed obediently soon after.
The Yankees could RSVP France's Statue of Liberty gift, to the Land of the Free, by donating a Statue of Sluttiness and erecting it next to the Eyeful Tower.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 3, 2015 11:25:08 AM | 9

B wrote:
"There is no such thing as "the Jewish people" in the sense of a racial or national determination. There are people of various nationalities and racial heritages who assert that they follow, or their ancestors followed, religious Jewish believes."

You are very mistaken, sir. I have read Sands book and it is a good book which dispels several zionist/jewish myths... having said that, when it comes to genetics and such, Sand is way out of league. All recent genetic studies confirm the existence of Jews as a related set of ethnic groups. Mainly Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Mizrahim.
One of the most recent genetic studies on Ashkenazim Jews was the "2014 study by Carmi et al. published by Nature Communications found that the Ashkenazi Jewish population originates from mixing between Middle Eastern and European peoples, and that Ashkenazi Jews are roughly half European and half Middle Eastern. According to the authors, that mixing likely occurred some 600–800 years ago, followed by rapid growth and genetic isolation (rate per generation 16–53%;). The study found that all Ashkenazi Jews descent from around 350 individuals, and that the principal component analysis of common variants in the sequenced AJ samples, confirmed previous observations, namely, the proximity of Ashkenazi Jewish cluster to other Jewish, European and Middle Eastern populations".
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140909/ncomms5835/full/ncomms5835.html

In another recent study I checked, one of the oldest jewish communities in Europe, i.e, in Italy, was found to be genetically closer to other Jewish populations, including iraqi and iranian jews, than to the italians they've lived amongst for 2000 plus years.

In this respect, Sand is simply wrong.

Posted by: Luca K | Feb 3, 2015 11:28:08 AM | 10

Is this what anarchy looks like ...

"Several hundred protesters have reportedly tried to break into the Ukrainian president’s administrational office in the country’s capital Kiev, but were repelled by security forces guarding the building. The stand-off grew into clashes in the street."

source - http://rt.com/news/228999-kiev-protesters-storm-president/

Hunter Biden Commissar of Gas/Fracking/Currency Exchange/Offshore Banking Coordinator could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: Alberto | Feb 3, 2015 11:51:54 AM | 11

Has VP Joe Biden gone underground since shots were fired at/near hid Delaware residence?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/shots-fired-outside-joe-bidens-delaware-home-1421600098

Posted by: Alberto | Feb 3, 2015 11:54:46 AM | 12

What Zacharchenko did that was unforgivable is to draw attention to the fact that Kiev's current leadership is largely Jewish. From Yats to Petro (Waltzman) Poroshenko To Igor Kolomoiski. No matter how gracefully Zach would put it, it is the content that they hate.

Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but I guess there are some who would rather you not notice.

Posted by: Lysander | Feb 3, 2015 12:02:09 PM | 13

The AFP article is making the rounds at Hasbara Centralreddit.com, where it's being used to prove that Hitler and Stalin were on the same page, Bandera wasn't so bad, the present neo-Nazis are just part of a tiny lunatic fringe, etc.

Posted by: ruralito | Feb 3, 2015 12:48:17 PM | 14

Posted by: Luca K | Feb 3, 2015 11:28:08 AM | 10
Posted by: Lysander | Feb 3, 2015 12:02:09 PM | 13

Basic rule: People define themselves and should not let other people define them. Or the other way round: We should try not to stereotype people according to our prejudices and fantasies.

Neither Poroshenko nor Yatseniuk are Jewish as they do not define themselves as such. Kolomoisky does, but that is not the reason Zacharchenko does not like him.

Of course Zacharchenko plays with popular ressentiment, and the referee should send him off the field.

Posted by: somebody | Feb 3, 2015 12:50:36 PM | 15

"...and that Ashkenazi Jews are roughly half European and half Middle Eastern. According to the authors, that mixing likely occurred some 600–800 years ago..."

Half and half, after 800 years, having never even seen a palm tree? Not likely. If anything it proves Jews are dangerously interbred and need to get out more.

Posted by: ruralito | Feb 3, 2015 1:30:57 PM | 16

to say "the jewish people" is just another way to say "the crooked people".

Posted by: delta | Feb 3, 2015 1:34:49 PM | 17

I wouldn't be surprised if many Ukrainians feel the same way. But we'll parse them out so that only the Easterners supported by Russia appear to hold that view. Sure. Right.
The tiniest of minorities there, though holding many important positions of power.

Someone will need to teach the Slavs that Those Who Must Not Be Named must also Not Be Criticized.

Posted by: farflungstar | Feb 3, 2015 1:38:33 PM | 18

@somebody #15:

Neither Poroshenko nor Yatseniuk are Jewish as they do not define themselves as such.
That is one of the most absurd claims I have seen you make. Sometimes you write things that are so silly that it becomes impossible to take you seriously.

If I stopped identifying as Russian, I wouldn't stop being Russian. Why should it be any different with Jews? Poroshenko's taking his mother's name, instead of his father's name, Valtzman, didn't mean that he suddenly stopped being Jewish. The reason he rejected his father's Jewish-sounding surname, by the way, is that he was "playing with popular sentiment", i.e., not presenting himself as Jewish because Ukrainians (this doesn't include Novorossiyans) are among the most antisemitic people in the world.

As for Yatsenyuk, becoming a Scientologist doesn't stop a Jew from being a Jew, either. There are plenty of Jewish American Scientologists.

By your logic, Clarence Thomas is not black, because he identifies with the white power structure, not with black Americans.

Finally, you are laughably naive when you suppose that one can infer how a person identifies from how he presents himself.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 3, 2015 1:55:30 PM | 19

Right-wing nazi-rag KyivPost has a miserable coverage of same piece. "Agence France-Presse: Russia's guy says Ukraine run by 'miserable Jews'" Zhakharchenko is "Russia's guy," his picture under the headline with a totally unrelated caption, subtitled by the first paragraph of the AFP fake "news" (sic!)"Ukraine's pro-Russian rebel chief on Monday branded the country's leaders "miserable" Jews in an apparent anti-Semitic jibe.", and a link to Yahoo news reproducing the AFP piece in full.

https://tinyurl.com/nes4o9g

Zionazi thieves stole the word "semitic" to mean "Jews," when in fact it comprehends many other languages and peoples. Zhakharchenko's AFP phony "anti-Semitic jibe" would be insulting to all these many peoples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

"...Semitic peoples and their languages, in ancient historic times (between the 30th and 20th centuries BC), covered a broad area which encompassed what are today the modern states and regions of Iraq, Syria, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestinian territories, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and the Sinai Peninsula and Malta..."

...The word "Semite" and most uses of the word "Semitic" relate to any people whose native tongue is, or was historically, a member of the associated language family.[35][36] The term "anti-Semite", however, came by a circuitous route to refer most commonly to one hostile or discriminatory towards Jews in particular...[37]

Yet another historical theft by the so-called "chosen" crooks.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 3, 2015 2:01:47 PM | 20

Well, somebody on the fortruss chatango listed it all out:

President-Poroshenko (Vlatsman) - Jew
President Turchinov (Kogan) - Jew
Prime Minister - Yatsenyuk (Buckeye) - Jew
Minister of Finance - Alexander Shlapak - Jew
Secretary of national security and Defence - Andrew Parubiy- Jew
Vice Prime Minister - Vladimir Groisman - a Jew
Interior Minister Arsen Avakov - Armenian Jew
Minister of Culture - Sergei Nischuk - Jew
Mason - Director of the National Bank - Stepan Kubiv - Jew
Head of the Administration of President - Sergey Pashinskiy- Jew

The main presidential candidates from the opposition:

Yulia Tymoshenko (Celia Kapitelman) - Jewish
Vitali Klitschko (Etinzon) - a Jew by his father
Oleg Tyagnibok (Frotman) - a Jew mom
Dmitry (Avdimou) Yarosh - Jew Hasid

Posted by: PeteCaroll | Feb 3, 2015 2:38:20 PM | 21

Lone Wolf@19 You are 100% correct. The over used term anti-semite is nothing but a slur to disparage anyone the jews don't like. If anyone takes the time to actually look at Zakhachenkos quote they will see he said the people in question are poor examples of the jewish race. I dispute the "race" but do agree with the statement. israeli geneticists have shown that the majority of of jews are descendants of the Khazars which sort of negates any claim to Palestine. Can Roman Catholics from Peru lay claim to Rome based on nothing more than a religious belief? I'd like to think not. This is nothing more than a smear campaign against someone who speaks the truth. Aren't we becoming immune to this nonsense yet?

Posted by: Scott | Feb 3, 2015 2:41:41 PM | 22

luca k.. the concept of 'the jewish people' as sands points out is a myth.. it is a myth necessary for the furtherance of israel too according to many inside the israel empire which goes right back to the concept of zionism..

i agree with lysander.

@15 somebody quote "Basic rule: People define themselves and should not let other people define them." when the planet is being constantly clobbered over the head and inundated in the media with the accusation/concept of anti-semitism, "should nots" no longer apply..

b, is this really the conversation you want to have?

Posted by: james | Feb 3, 2015 2:46:05 PM | 23

oh brother, another lecture from a German about the social construction of Jews. My one hand is asking the other to clap.

In any case, the genetics of the Cohanim sort of fuck up your thesis.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 3, 2015 3:16:54 PM | 24

You are missing the screaming message:

1st What passes for news is always and everywhere public relations - "manufacturing consent" as chomsky put it - completely bought and paid for. So why be shocked? 2nd Accusing your opponent of exactly what you and/or your henchmen are yourselves doing - in this case the antisemitism of svoboda and pravy sektor - is an old, old gambit. But somehow it still works.

Posted by: gersen | Feb 3, 2015 3:20:32 PM | 25

I'm pretty sure Zakharchenko was being coy and patronizing when he said "great Jewish people."

I want to try to get inside the mind of the Islamic State before it falls from grace and the headlines and is replaced with another War On & Of Terror firmware update. In an effort to do just that, I bring you….

The Interview

Posted by: Cold N. Hoiefield | Feb 3, 2015 4:05:04 PM | 26

We are encouraged by world leaders and mass media to call Muslims terrorists. We can shout 'paedophiles' at Christians and call most of the other various religious followers cranks, freaks and hippies but don't you dare call a Jew a .........Jew.

Posted by: Andy | Feb 3, 2015 4:06:24 PM | 27

So let me get this straight — in the alternate universe where you pro-Russian anti-American commentators reside, the so-called "Junta" in Kiev is concomitantly Jewish and Nazi. Is that correct? Got it. It makes perfect sense. Just throw any old worn-out trope of an accusation at the wall and hope it all sticks. It doesn't matter if the layers of refuse contradict in any way. When have contradictions ever gotten in your way? Never, that's when — and they never will.

Posted by: Cold N. Hoiefield | Feb 3, 2015 4:12:03 PM | 28

people think they are smart when they comprehend a headline, and believe it encapsulates the story...

One purpose of the headline is to make it unnnecesary for us to read further.

Posted by: brian | Feb 3, 2015 4:20:55 PM | 29

"All recent genetic studies confirm the existence of Jews as a related set of ethnic groups. Mainly Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Mizrahim". Christ, couldn't resist the illogic here.

All recent genetic studies would also "confirm" the existence of Hindus "as a related set of ethnic groups" tending from the Indian subcontinent. But no one save perhaps Mr. Modi would confuse Hinduism with the Indian nation.

All genetic evidence shows is the likely geo-demographic origin of the religion. That would be in the same ethnographic region as the ancient Canaanites and Phoenicians, of which the ancient Hebrews were a branch of, distinguished only by the adoption of a different, new and 'godless' (because it refused idol representation) religion that 600 years later was put into writing, founding Judaism. That's based on the current ISRAELI archaeology.

The Hebrews were basically Canaanites whose educated layer switched religions from Baal to an invisible 'god'. This explains why we hear so much wailing in the Bible about "backsliders" into Baal worship, as the common person could always switch religions while the new religion became the preserve of a priestly caste of "judges" etc. The mass desire for a "king" was also a symptom of backsliding. Israeli archeology reveals a sudden change 12~11th century BCE in the structure of housing, from that of the "palace culture" common in the Mediterranean at that time, featuring one lord's big palace surrounded by much smaller structures, to that featuring no such lordly palaces, but only larger housing structures of generally equal size, usually arraigned around a semi-circular "commons".

This corresponds to what is theorized as a big change in the Earth's climate, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse

Likely, the agriculture that supported the palace culture collapsed in the climate change. But the idea that Hebrewism was the religious ideology of a leveling, egalitarian social revolution that abolished both kings and their idols, and replaced it with religious ideas likely spread by Egyptian refugee followers of Akhenaten's (1352 B.C. to 1336 B.C) monotheistic sun god cult centered around Aten but later violently repressed by Egypt's priesthood caste (where have I heard this story before?), in a region long under Egyptian influence, is a far more interesting story than the Biblical original, and certainly more interesting than racial-geneticist reductions.

Posted by: Matt | Feb 3, 2015 4:21:31 PM | 30

Volscia for the Volscii!

Posted by: ruralito | Feb 3, 2015 4:48:34 PM | 31

@10
Genetic Roots of the Ashkenazi Jews

Most Ashkenazi Jews, traditionally believed to have descended from the ancient tribes of Israel, may in fact be maternally descended from prehistoric Europeans.

By Kate Yandell | October 8, 2013

The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women, according to study published today (October 8) in Nature Communications. While the Jewish religion began in the Near East, and the Ashkenazi Jews were believed to have origins in the early indigenous tribes of this region, new evidence from mitochondrial DNA, which is passed on exclusively from mother to child, suggests that female ancestors of most modern Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism in the north Mediterranean around 2,000 years ago and later in west and central Europe.

The new findings contradict previous assertions that Ashkenazi mitochondrial lineages originated in the Near East, or from mass conversions to Judaism in the Khazar kingdom, an empire in the north Caucasus region between Europe and Asia lasting from the 7th century to the 11th century whose leaders adopted Judaism. “We found that most of the maternal lineages don’t trace to the north Caucasus, which would be a proxy for the Khazarians, or to the Near East, but most of them emanate from Europe,” said coauthor Martin Richards, an archaeogeneticist at the University of Huddersfield in the U.K.

Richards and colleagues’ story “seems reasonable,” said Harry Ostrer, a human geneticist at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University in New York City who was not involved in the study. “It certainly fits with what we understand about Jewish history.”

The Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of Jews today and most recently have ancestry in central or Eastern Europe. Previous work has demonstrated that just four mitochondrial types, pass down from four mothers, account for 40 percent of variation in Ashkenazi Jews’ mitochondrial DNA, and some researchers have published evidence of Near Eastern origins for these Ashkenazi mitochondrial types.

more http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/

Gilad Atzmon - No Jewish racial continuum from ancient time (video)

October 14, 2013 http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-no-jewish-racial-continuum-from-ancient-time-vi.html

via NYTimes

Genes Suggest European Women at Root of Ashkenazi Family Tree

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/science/ashkenazi-origins-may-be-with-european-women-study-finds.html?_r=3&


Posted by: crone | Feb 3, 2015 5:27:13 PM | 32

27:

AmeriKa went looking for trouble in the Ukraine, and they found it. It isn't much different than what they've been doing since 2001 to Arabs, the Iranians, the Central Asian color revolutions, now Russia and soon China.
Everyone else is wrong, AmeriKa is always right and just and full of truth.
And there's always some flag-waving bimbo willing to carry their water pail.

Posted by: farflungstar | Feb 3, 2015 5:32:39 PM | 33

In view of the quantity of media outlet, the key to attract a reader is the headline
This is not the first time that headlines distorts the contents.
It is the "headline war"

Posted by: Virgile | Feb 3, 2015 6:16:57 PM | 34

NBC national snooze Brian 'The Truthist' Williams and Greenspan's wife Andrea Mitchell Greenspan waxing douche'atonic over the latest ISIS beheadings/burnings and never mentioning their friend, cheerleader, financial backer John 'Treasonmeister' McInsane ...

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=John+McCain+visits+isis

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN WITH HIS HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS

Posted by: Alberto | Feb 3, 2015 6:41:41 PM | 35

Uhhh....wait a minute....

"Alexander Zakharchenko, leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, claimed that Kiev's pro-Western leaders were "miserable representatives of the great Jewish people"."

And you said this?

"Saying that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were "miserable representatives of the great American people" would be "anti-American"? What is anti-semitic in calling "the Jewish people" "great"?"

Is this where Moon of Alabama jumped the shark?

Posted by: Klipklop | Feb 3, 2015 7:16:30 PM | 36

After I read that article that you posted (link to Yahoo), something else attract my attention at the same Yahoo's page.

This: http://news.yahoo.com/ancient-tablets-reveal-life-jews-nebuchadnezzars-babylon-174318332.html

In this ostensibly archaeological news, is hidden what is the core of Western/Judeo "culture".

Archaeologists got their first chance to see the tablets -- acquired by a wealthy London-based Israeli collector -- barely two years ago.

Inquisitive mind wondered where the 2,500 years artifacts can be “acquired”? I mean...in 2015? Origin of these precious item are nowhere else but Iraq's National Museum. Beside murdering near or over a million of Iraqis, and then drove them into inter-communal bloodshed, the target of the Western savaged was their precious culture. The fate of Native Indians...?

And this interest has lead me to this "US government implicated in planned theft of Iraqi artistic treasures" http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2003/04/loot-a19.html

The museum was the victim of a carefully planned assault. The thieves who took the most valuable material came prepared with equipment to lift the heaviest objects, which the staff could not move from the galleries, and had keys to the vaults where the most valuable items were stored. Not since the Nazis systematically stripped the museums of Europe has such a crime been committed.

One of the ministries that has been systematically destroyed in the recent days of looting is the Ministry of Irrigation. We might say that by this act the US administration seeks to drive Iraq back to the dark ages, except that Iraq has never known a dark age in the sense that Europe has. Empires might rise and fall, but as long as the irrigation system continued to function the land between the rivers could produce more food than it needed. By attacking the irrigation system, the US administration is causing more damage in a few weeks than any other previous invader.

There is no invader that might be compared with Evangelical lunatics. If fact, from the WSWS article it is visible there is whole industry behind it. It might be compared with Pizarro and Cortes, or earlier with the Crusade.

And yet Yahoo's article is conclude with

"The descendants of those Jews only returned to Israel in the 1950s," he said, a time when many in the diaspora moved from Iraq, Persia, Yemen and North Africa to the newly created state."

Posted by: neretva'43 | Feb 3, 2015 7:57:23 PM | 37

And you said this?
"Saying that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were "miserable representatives of the great American people" would be "anti-American"? What is anti-semitic in calling "the Jewish people" "great"?"
Is this where Moon of Alabama jumped the shark?
Posted by: Klipklop | Feb 3, 2015 7:16:30 PM | 35

No. It's where Klipklop demonstrates how clever he/she is at deliberately missing the point.
The argument has some of its origins in the incessant, blanket MSM coverage of Thomas L Friedman's "Moral Equivalence!" tantrums when he was justifying the (completely unjustified) destruction of Iraq.
Thus the call by one intellectual pygmy (TLF) served to amplify the (chosen) prejudices of other intellectual pygmies (Bush & Cheney).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 3, 2015 8:26:04 PM | 38

@36 neretva'.. i keep on hearing stories about 'mysterious people/gunmen' raiding iraq for ancient manuscripts, the whereabouts they end up - no one knows.. interesting juxtaposition to this other yahoo story.. one wonders about the translation on these stories from russian to english too in regards just what Zakharchenko did or didn't say verses the best way to paint it out a certain way.

Posted by: james | Feb 3, 2015 8:27:24 PM | 39

@Cold N. Hoiefield@27

So let me get this straight — in the alternate universe where you pro-Russian anti-American commentators reside, the so-called "Junta" in Kiev is concomitantly Jewish and Nazi. Is that correct? Got it.

No, you don't get it. Where is the contradiction between being Jewish and Nazi? Ever heard of a Zionist entity so-called "Israel"? They have an open-air concentration camp, where they keep people in sub-human conditions. "The idea," said Dov Weisglass, adviser to Ehud Olmert, "is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger." Where do you think Zionists got the idea? Isn't that what the Nazis did with forced labor in concentration camps, keep them on a "diet"? What is the "chosen crooks" BS but racial hierarchy? What's the "Jewish state" but social Darwinism? What is the "Greater Israel" and the "promised land" crap but another form of "Lebensraum"? As you can see, it is possible to be Jewish and Nazi, no contradiction whatsoever. Same with the Ukinazis, just different location.

@Scott@21

israeli geneticists have shown that the majority of of jews are descendants of the Khazars which sort of negates any claim to Palestine.

Now, that is a subversive thing to say, pal, you may be labeled "anti-semitic." LOL...

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 3, 2015 8:32:24 PM | 40

"Is this where Moon of Alabama jumped the shark?"

My candidate in this thread is the delightful list of Ukrainian Jews on a blog hosted by German.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 3, 2015 8:42:22 PM | 41

Is this where Moon of Alabama jumped the shark?

My candidate in this thread is the delightful list of Ukrainian Jews on a blog hosted by German.

I can smell a hasbara troll from a mile, and this thread is beginning to stink.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 3, 2015 9:05:19 PM | 42

Lone Wolf@38
Sorry man, sometimes the truth trumps years of propaganda. Heck, it was israeli geneticists who made the discovery. So much for God's "chosen" huh. And no, I'm not anti-Semitic. I don't have ANY problem with the Palestinians or any other Semite. I do however, detest zionists, Nazis and anyone else who thinks they are superior based on nothing other than religion or race. And come to think of it...I was married for 26 years...so I've been called WAAAAY worse things than anti-semite. LoL.

Posted by: Scott | Feb 3, 2015 9:10:56 PM | 43

@slothrop #39:

I doubt that the person who put up that list is German. Germans tend to avoid suppressing speech. Evidently, you want speech you don't like to be suppressed, same as the Ukrainian Nazis. Yesterday, they arrested a member of the Rada for saying something they didn't like.

What have you got against lists? They are an efficient way of communicating patterns.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 3, 2015 9:13:22 PM | 44

@Scott@41

And come to think of it...I was married for 26 years...so I've been called WAAAAY worse things than anti-semite. LoL.

You made me laugh so hard my better half asked what was all the ruckus about, so I told her. Of course, she could relate, not exactly to the anti-semitic label. :-)

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 3, 2015 9:33:08 PM | 45

@Scott@41

And come to think of it...I was married for 26 years...so I've been called WAAAAY worse things than anti-semite. LoL.

You made me laugh so hard my better half asked what was all the ruckus about, so I told her. Of course, she could relate, not exactly to the anti-semitic label. :-)

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 3, 2015 9:33:08 PM | 46

@slothrop@39
What offends you? A list? A German list? Or is it a list of Ukrainian jews? Would a list of Ukrainian Christians offend you as well? If the list is truthful and accurate...then how can it offend anyone? Unless of course, it's the truth itself that offends.

Posted by: Scott | Feb 3, 2015 9:35:03 PM | 47

@Lone Wolf@43 And 44
Since you have a better half I'm sure she isn't the only one in the house that can relate. (grin) And I agree with you on there being no contradiction between zionists and nazis. Remember who Hitlers financial backers were.

Posted by: Scott | Feb 3, 2015 9:48:53 PM | 48

@Scott #45:

More precisely, it's the telling of the truth that offends.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 3, 2015 9:50:35 PM | 49

Scott(21)
"israeli geneticists have shown that the majority of of jews are descendants of the Khazars which sort of negates any claim to Palestine."

BS. There is one such study, not very convincing and a dozen other recent studies that refute the Khazar theory.
Ashkenazi Jews cluster half way between Europeans and Middle Eastern
populations bc they are a mix of basically the 2.
The Jews had already spread throughout the Mediterranean basin around
the time of Alexander. Their midle eastern ancestry need not have been
from Palestine but could be and often was from several other areas.
The more mobile jews, merchants, bankers, slave traders, etc, moved to
Europe, imbalance in the number of men and women forced them initially
to marry European women. That's how the Ashkenazi came into being.

SOMEBODY(15)
" Basic rule: People define themselves and should not let other people define them. Or the other way round: We should try not to stereotype people according to our prejudices and fantasies."

"Neither Poroshenko nor Yatseniuk are Jewish as they do not define themselves as such."

UHH?? YOU are obviously very ignorant of Jewish evolutionary strategies,such as crypto-judaism.
Poroshenko and Yatseniuk have both been described as hiding their
Jewish ancestry in Israeli media.
It may be that they are indeed fully absorbed but given their connections and histories, it is very possible, indeed likely, that they CHOOSE to HIDE their ancestry, especially in a country as the Ukraine, where Jewish comissars were heavily responsible for some horrific crimes against the Ukrainian people, not long ago.

I have to say that though the Jews are massively overrepresented in
this new Ukrainian government, many of the people in PeteCarroll's list are probably NOT Jewish. For instance, though it appears Tymoshenko is partly jewish, there is NO evidence for folks such as Klitschko or Yarosh.

More on Jewish population genetics
http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/?p=all
"Jews, he notes, are one of the most distinctive population groups in the world because of our history of ENDOGAMY. Jews — Ashkenazim in particular — are relatively homogeneous despite the fact that they are spread throughout Europe and have since immigrated to the Americas and back to Israel. The Inquisition shattered Sephardi Jewry, leading to far more incidences of intermarriage and to a less distinctive DNA."


This is particularly interesting;
http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/

"Prime Minister’s Office says would-be immigrants from former Soviet Union may be asked to prove Jewish bloodline."

"A number of people from the former Soviet Union wishing to immigrate to Israel could be subjected to DNA testing to prove their Jewishness, the Prime Minister’s Office said Sunday"

Posted by: Luca K | Feb 3, 2015 9:54:48 PM | 50

slothrop is a periodic troll like presence. sometimes i get a laugh out of him.. a feigned indignant smirk is always good for a laugh..

Posted by: james | Feb 3, 2015 10:02:47 PM | 51

@ Luca K @ 48
I'm sorry if I offended you rabbi. I suck at links. And rufus will rag me for doing it this way, but here's one for you. If you need more truth I'll be happy to oblige. http://matzav.com/report-new-genetic-study-says-ashkenazi-jews-descend-from-khazars

Posted by: Scott | Feb 3, 2015 10:04:08 PM | 52

This is particularly interesting;
http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/

"Prime Minister’s Office says would-be immigrants from former Soviet Union may be asked to prove Jewish bloodline."

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substitute the word 'aryan' for 'jewish' and make destination germany...

Posted by: brian | Feb 3, 2015 10:08:32 PM | 53

N@36

I doubt that these tablets came from the Iraqi Museum heist because all those artifacts were known and these are new but they could have come from more recent illegal digs or older private collections.

Some of the stolen Iraqi artifacts have been recovered but many of them will be or are in private collections never to be displayed again. They were probably priced and sold even before they were stolen.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Feb 3, 2015 10:24:06 PM | 54

Scott at 50 --

I ain't saying nuthin' after Ulster's disastrous post on the open thread. An entire long post as an a ref= link, and the link didn't quite work. Though I am a little unsure why this topic is more interesting or urgent than the impending loss of Debaltsevo and the self-destruction of the Banderastani regime. Wouldn't have kibbitzed but for my name being dropped.

Demian at 42 --

Member of the Nikolaev Regional Council, not the Rada. Bad enough. We've seen folks drug from the rostrum and assaulted in the Rada, though not recently.

Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 3, 2015 11:34:30 PM | 55

Here's a new 6 minute video about Kiev's war: Мобилизационный ролик (Literally, "Mobilizational roll. Not sure what exactly the title means.)

It's got English subs and is well worth watching. It has footage shot by Novorossiyans and by Ukies and is directed at Ukies. Not a single English language comment at Youtube yet.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 4, 2015 12:19:36 AM | 56

P.S. I guess "roll" in this sense is a slang synonym for "video" or "short film". The video is about the current (fourth) wave of mobilization.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 4, 2015 12:27:08 AM | 57

D at 54 -- Oxford Pocket says "rolik" is a roller or castor -- something to ease movement. Plural means roller skates. Something to aid the draftees to roll along and evade conscription; a little joke, I'd guess.

Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 4, 2015 12:36:56 AM | 58

@rufus magister #55:

No, as you can tell from this Colonel Cassad post, which is where I got the video, "rolik" here is slang for a video or film. In English, we have the expression "a roll of film".

Неплохой ролик Гришанова к провалившейся 4-й волне мобилизации на Украине. Самое забавное, что в комментариях к видео на Ютубе, сторонники хунты вопят, что ролик специально сняли, чтобы сорвать мобилизацию

Posted by: Demian | Feb 4, 2015 12:57:19 AM | 59

Demian at 56 --

Thanks, technical jargon and slang can be tough. I did some research on Soviet textile production, had to learn all sorts of management, weaving and spinning terms, that was one of them, didn't think of it out of that context. I overlooked -- while movies come on reels in English, 35mm and other still films are on rolls.

It prompted me to check Col. Cassad, nice map of the Debaltsevo area, very detailed report as of yesterday. UAF is in serious trouble if the Krasny Pakhar foothold expands, or the NAF puts pressure on Svetlodarsk. Getting across that lake could be a problem, ltd. exposed rtes. I get the impression he thinks the UAF are toughing it out, at least for now, though they did withdraw support elements.

Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 4, 2015 1:35:12 AM | 60

@ruralito, 30:

"Volscia for the Volscii!"

Well, doesn't that take me back to my first tours of duty, in the days of the Punic Wars. The VA still hasn't processed my paperwork yet, though...

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 4, 2015 1:51:33 AM | 61

@rufus magister #57:

I get the impression that Russian bloggers use slang more than Anglophone bloggers do, which makes it kind of difficult for us Russian speakers who didn't grow up in Russia. I have the same problem with Der Spiegel: it uses a lot of terms that aren't proper German. I actually find that annoying in a mainstream magazine, but then, I guess they want to show how hip they are.

Col. Cassad is always wary of being overconfident. There was another report today that the Debaltsevo cauldron has been sealed, but I have lost count of how many times that has been reported. Given that the 4th mobilization has flopped, and that with each successive mobilization, fewer people show up at the draft board if they get a draft notice, it makes sense for NAF not to advance as quickly as they could. The majority of Ukrainians have lost their appetite for war on Donbass and are apparently growing suspicious of their media. By the way, do you know of any other civil war in which people were drafted? If one side needs to draft people whereas the other can get by with volunteers, I think that's a sign of trouble in itself.

And here's the other video from that Col. Cassad post: We have all gone mad (with Eng subs but graphic). The song is a cover of Mother, we've all gone mad by Kino.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 4, 2015 1:53:10 AM | 62

Grishanovs "Mobilization clip" is the most powerful video I have seen in this war, perfectly done.

Posted by: Harry | Feb 4, 2015 3:51:43 AM | 63

@Harry #60:

"Clip" may not be a bad translation of "rolik". Anyway, I looked up "ролик" in Russian Wiktionary, and one of the meanings of the word given there is "video". Apparently, the word first started acquiring this meaning in the 1990s, as the Russian term for trailer (as in a trailer of a film).

Yes, it is a very good video. "Perfect" is not an exaggeration. Judging by other things he has uploaded at Youtube, the video's creator is a musician, so he has a fine aesthetic sense. (He is into dubstep.) I don't think Americans have ever produced "propaganda" that is this well done. Russians and (the original) Nazis are/were the best at creating propaganda. American propaganda is very crude and bland, even if it's done by expats like Alfred Hitchcock or Fritz Lang. And don't get me started on Steven Spielberg or Kathryn Bigelow.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 4, 2015 5:27:17 AM | 64

Demian at 59 --

By the way, do you know of any other civil war in which people were drafted? If one side needs to draft people whereas the other can get by with volunteers, I think that's a sign of trouble in itself.

I think some of the wars in the sub-Saharan Africa might qualify, those that kidnap kids and turn them into killers come to mind. The exception, rather than the rule, I'd agree. A very clear and unflatteringly comparison.

Music video will have to wait. I posted elsewhere an interview transcript of Cohen on Democracy Now, the played a Russian rock song called "Skolko" (how many/much) btw. segments, gotta find that as well.

Harry at 60 got it right, for all our parsing; it's a clip.

Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 4, 2015 7:38:51 AM | 65

"The AFP reporter and editor who put that up deserve an Orwellian reward. "

If by that you mean strapped in a chair and having a cage of hungry rats strapped to his/her face, I'm all for it.

Scummy display by AFP. Zero ethics. Journalism as war. Truth nowhere to be found.

The West's Media, has really taken dishonesty to new lows over the Ukraine, since day one. True war criminals as responsible as the Generals, as JSorrentine would note.

It's come to the level of dishonesty that schoolchildren engage in at this point - lies, and jibes at the expense of whoever is the opponent of the day.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 4, 2015 8:29:05 AM | 66

You do always have to watch out for that half-quoted quote. "Ukraine run by 'miserable' Jews"

@59 Powerful videos

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 4, 2015 8:53:14 AM | 67

By the way, do you know of any other civil war in which people were drafted?

Conscription (Military Draft) In The Civil War

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Feb 4, 2015 8:56:08 AM | 68

Some quotes are worth the price of admission. This is lifted from the comment section of Ian Belch's latest blog post. I think a collective stroke is in order to see as clearly as the author of the comment.

Stirling Newberry

February 3, 2015

this is not the left, call me when it is.

Every time I read it I laugh. Thanks, Stirling.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Feb 4, 2015 9:07:15 AM | 69

@Cold N. Holefield #64:

I think the US Civil War is kind of exceptional in this respect, since there was a clear distinction between slave states and free states. The way the US Constitution set up the United States, the United States were a civil war waiting to happen. In most civil wars, there is no pre-existing demarcation between one geographical region and another based on regions taking markedly different positions on a critical issue. The Russian Civil War which followed the Bolshevik Revolution is an example.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 4, 2015 9:31:46 AM | 70

@Vintage Red@58

Well, doesn't that take me back to my first tours of duty, in the days of the Punic Wars. The VA still hasn't processed my paperwork yet, though...

LOL...You're not alone, pal, there are those from a more recent war still waiting for their 40 acres and a mule...

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 4, 2015 9:31:57 AM | 71

@Vintage Red@58

Well, doesn't that take me back to my first tours of duty, in the days of the Punic Wars. The VA still hasn't processed my paperwork yet, though...

LOL...You're not alone, pal, there are those from a more recent war still waiting for their 40 acres and a mule...

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 4, 2015 9:31:57 AM | 72

jfl at 5. When Sarkozy came in AFP really hit the skids.

France Culture (state talk radio) which I used to hear, and listen to willingly, regularly, changed too. A bunch of ppl were fired (from an acquaintance who worked there.) The interesting thing was that the change began 3 weeks before he was elected. It flipped from ‘brief standard hourly news bulletin’ and the culture content - literature, cinema, science, philosophy, discussions of music, history, documentaries from around the world, radio archives, etc. to pro-Israel in a hearbeat. Docs: Israelis agonising about rockets. Music: some forgotten composer who showed-his-Jewish-roots (err?) History of the Nobel prize, you got it…the news changed as well.

It was weird and pathetic, dispiriting and boring in a way.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 4, 2015 9:35:55 AM | 73

In the mean time OSCE confirms use of cluster munitions by Ukrainian military against civilian targets in Luhansk and not a single mention of that anywhere in the press...

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/138906

Posted by: Konstantin | Feb 4, 2015 12:20:48 PM | 74

Holy shit - now they're calling Yanis Varoufakis an "anti-Semite".

Hahhaa. How utterly ridiculous. This is the level to which Europe will stoop to keep Greece toeing the economic line? Or is this just the first dip into ridiculousness and depravity? (why do I even ask...)

http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-greek-finance-minister-accused-of-anti-semitism/

After all, what hope to the people of Donbas have of getting a fair shake in the media, when a well known Western intellectual can't even get one?

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 4, 2015 7:11:18 PM | 75

Was sad & puzzled to see RT mimicking the same yellow headline.

Posted by: BigGuppie | Feb 4, 2015 8:12:52 PM | 76

guest@75,
That's a tactic to disrupt him from his job. I've been reading his blog from the beginning, he's NEVER mentioned Jews - not once. These allegations are from 2005, when he was teaching in Australia.

Last week, German daily Die Welt published a report (German) to the effect that Varoufakis, and other members of the new Greek government, are radical anti-Zionists. According to the article, written by Thomas Weber, the director of the University of Aberdeen’s Center for Global Security and Governance, Varoufakis “connects with Israel first and foremost ‘sadism’ and ‘crime.’”

On Australian radio, Varoufakis was “full of empathy for suicide attacks against Israelis,” Weber alleged.

In August 2005, Varoufakis lamented many of Israel’s alleged crimes, concluding: “The rest of the world says nothing. And they just wonder when some of those Palestinians loads himself with dynamite and blows himself up.”

Israel is an ally of Germany and Australia. And that's part of the motive for slandering him now. If you read the quotes in the article, you see that all he was doing was telling the truth - and mildly I might add. There can be no truth told about the Zionist entity.

Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 5, 2015 12:23:40 AM | 77

"There is no such thing as "the Jewish people" in the sense of a racial or national determination. There are people of various nationalities and racial heritages who assert that they follow, or their ancestors followed, religious Jewish believes."

Really? You provide a link to a book as proof of your claim and then completely fail to mention that the hypothesis it puts forth isn't widely accepted because the evidence doesn't support it, not least of all the DNA records, as demonstrated in the very link you yourself provide?

In a general sense I would actually agree that group identities are largely artificial constructs. But I would think a German would understand that, since 'Germany' as a coherent entity isn't even 150 years old. Before that it was collection of dozens of duchies that broadly shared a common language and culture, but all of which had a distinctive individual identities. Identities many were loath to part with, especially the Prussians. As another, even clearer example France has been a single entity under a central government for a lot longer than Germany but even as recently as the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars there were significant parts of Napoleons armies, drawn from different parts of France, that would have had significant trouble being mutually intelligible to each other. Napoleon himself wasn't even French, he was Corsican by birth and Italian by lineage.

As yet another example that great spreader of Hellenism, Alexander, wasn't Greek. He was Makedonian. Of course even saying the 'Greek' city-states were a single culture is misleading, but it's true they viewed each other as having much in common and separate from the 'barbaroi', but Makedonia would have existed in some vaguely defined middle-ground between the two, the primitive distant cousin to the north, never truly an equal of 'proper' Greeks like Athens and Corinth.

Or take the Japanese. Genetically they're basically Korean colonists, with some mixing with native Jomon peoples. Few Japanese would seriously claim descent from a sun goddess, yet you can't say there isn't a defacto distinctive Japanese culture.

Posted by: Anonemouse | Feb 5, 2015 7:57:51 PM | 78

seriously to jew or not to jew......why not piss off and keep your fat long stinky nose out of the jewish people....its a relegion no different to the thousands of relegions out there.i know you little fuckers first hand from the day you were born having being one of a handful of jewish kids at a catholic boarding school....the internet has exposed the bullshit for what it is ...fear and ignorance spread mostly by other relegions and a few other evil rats.......like burning witches at the stake...only now they burn pilots in cages.

3 cities,a sword of flame,and wind of fire ,falling towers

Posted by: mcohen | Feb 5, 2015 10:56:38 PM | 79

How many non-Jewish kids are allowed to go to Jewish schools? And if I told Jews to keep their "fat, long stinky noses" out of my people, that would surely be considered the vilest form of "anti-Semitism". If Jews minded their own business, no one would have any need to constantly talk about them and their religion. But they don't. Everywhere Jews go they do everything they can to control and destroy the people they are living among. Judaism is different to the thousands of other religions out there. Other religions are based on belief, not race. There is no such thing as the Catholic people, the Muslim people, the Buddhist people or the Hindu people. Anyone can convert to these religions so long as you believe in them, regardless of your racial origin. Judaism is unique in that it is a religion based on racial ancestry, rather than being a universal religion based on religious beliefs. Being a Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist etc. has nothing to do with ancestry. If you believe in the religion it is open to anyone. Judaism is primarily a racial unity movement for one particular ethnic group rather than a religion based on belief like all others. The purpose of the Jewish religion is to advance the interests of their own racial group at the expense of everyone else. For example, when Jews believe that all non-Jews exist only to serve them, this is something non-Jews have a reason to be concerned about, especially when Jews are in so many powerful positions in their countries. Would you like to be ruled over by people who believe that they are superior to you and that the only reason you exist is to serve them? Last time I checked, Jews didn't like it too much when the National Socialists in Germany said similar things about them.

Likewise, when Jews constantly stir up wars all over the world and get other countries to attack their "enemies", this is something non-Jews have a right to be angry about. Why should thousands of American and European soldiers die in wars for Israel? Why should we be the suckers who the Jews send off to die in their Zionist wars while they safely sit at home in Israel? If Jews are constantly stirring up wars so that they can take over countries for themselves (as in Ukraine), this is something Ukrainians and other non-Jews have a right to be concerned about since it is their families being killed as a result of Jewish greed and lust for power. Judaism and Jewish culture essentially revolves around hatred for all people not from your own racial group, and this is why Jews are universally disliked everywhere they go. If Jews steal trillions of dollars from our people and cause our entire economies to collapse, don't we have a right to be angry about that? The Jewish religion teaches that it is a mitzvah (blessing) to cheat a non-Jew out of his money and forbids Jews from returning it unless it is suspected he might find out. There are many other examples. Jews go into every other country constantly trying to screw over the native people, and then are surprised when the native people react back against them. Here's a new idea: instead of constantly trying to screw over everyone else and then reacting with shock when the inevitable backlash comes, try treating other people as equals in a decent way, and maybe they'll respond in kind. But I suppose the "Chosen People" can never view us "unchosen" as equals, therefore the cycle will continue, and Jews will continue their usual pattern of blaming everybody else rather then reflecting on their own actions. After all, we "unchosen" people only exist to serve you, so why would you ever treat us with any respect or mercy? This is why people are concerned with the Jewish religion, because its teachings negatively affect all non-Jews. It is a misanthropic religion, based on the hatred of all other people not from your own racial group.

Posted by: Alieu | Feb 6, 2015 4:33:22 AM | 80

Judaism is essentially a religion teaching Jewish racial supremacism.

Posted by: Alieu | Feb 6, 2015 4:38:45 AM | 81

#80 #81 alieu

i looked up the word "alieu" and according to wikipedia it means "strong" and is a word used by the fulani......

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alieu

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulani

in fact the fulanis are africans who converted to islam .....interesting history,great stuff.

in fact if you check out the fulani wikipedia link there is a long list of notable fulani people and at the top of the list is ......is.....is......wait for it.....an israeli

17–20th Centuries

A large number of Fula/Fulani people or people of Fula/Fulani descent have made a name in the political or Cultural landscapes in the last centuries. - Ibrahima Barry alias Bari Avi,Israeli officer, Israel originally from Guinea . - Amadou Bello, Sultan of Sokoto - Ousman Dan Fojo, Sokoto - El Haj Omar Taal, Religious leader,Helped the expansion of Islam in West Africa,

Posted by: mcohen | Feb 6, 2015 5:05:43 PM | 82

#80

If you bothered to actually do research you would know that a huge number of Jews, both in Israel and globally, are secular. In fact the place that has spearheaded the complete shredding of a literal interpretation of the Old Testament/Torah is Tel Aviv University.

"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the god of Israel, Jehovah, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai." - Ze'ev Herzog, Professor of Archaeology at The Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures at Tel Aviv University, Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed

Claiming Jewish identity is reliant on the religion of Judaism only demonstrates your profound ignorance.

Posted by: Anonemouse | Feb 6, 2015 5:37:10 PM | 83

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