September 29, 2014
The (NED Financed) Hong Kong Riots
Some organized "student groups" in Hong Kong tried to occupy government buildings and blocked some streets. The police did what it does everywhere when such things happen. It used anti-riot squads, pepper spray and tear gas to prevent occupations and to clear the streets.
The "western" media are making some issue about this as if "western" governments would behave any differently.
The alleged issue in question is the election of new Hong Kong chief executive in 2017. According to Hong Kong's basic law, which was implemented when Britain gave up its dictatorship over the colony, there will be universal suffrage - everyone will be allowed to vote - but the candidates for the position will have to go through some pre-screening by a commission. This is what China had promised and this is what the students, falsely claiming that China is backtracking from its promises, want to change.
Peter Lee aka Chinahand has an excellent piece on the issue at Asia Times Online. But Lee is making one mistake in that he does not consider outside influence:
Occupy Hong Kong decided to light it, starting with a class boycott and demonstrations organized by the Hong Kong Federation of Students. And, since I’m never afraid to mix a metaphor, the Hong Kong government poured fuel on the fire by pepper-spraying and teargassing it.
Who really "decided to light this"? To me the protests, and the "western" reporting about it, have the distinct smell not of tear gas but of some expensive Color Revolution perfume of "western" origin.
So lets look up the usual source of such exquisite fragrance. The 2012 annual report of the U.S. government financed National Endowment of Democracy, aka the CCA - Central Color-Revolution Agency, includes three grants for Hong Kong one of which is new for 2012 and not mentioned in earlier annual reports:
National Democratic Institute for International Affairs - $460,000
To foster awareness regarding Hong Kong's political institutions and constitutional reform process and to develop the capacity of citizens - particularly university students - to more effectively participate in the public debate on political reform, NDI will work with civil society organizations on parliamentary monitoring, a survey, and development of an Internet portal, allowing students and citizens to explore possible reforms leading to universal suffrage.
So the U.S. government in 2012 (2013 numbers are not yet available) hands over nearly half a million to "develop the capacity" of "university students" related to the issue of "universal suffrage" in the election of Hong Kong's chief executive.
Two years after the money starts to flow from the U.S. government university students in Hong Kong provoke street riots with demands exactly on the issue the U.S. government money wanted to highlight.
That is just some curious coincidence - right?
PS (1): There is no reason to believe that a majority of the people in Hong Kong are supporting the U.S. induced demands of the "students". Hong Kong has some 7 million inhabitants. Ten to twenty thousands protesting amounts to some rather marginal 0.2% of the population.
PS (2): We noted earlier that the new Color Revolution scheme 2.0 - see Libya, Syria, Ukraine - now includes lots of violence:
Color revolutions in the old form had become too obvious a scheme to be of further use. The concept was therefore extended to include intensive use of force and mercenaries and to support those forces from the outside with weapons, ammunition, training and other means.
While earlier Color Revolutions employed mostly peaceful measures the aim now is blood in the streets and lots of infrastructure damage to weaken the forces resisting the regime change attempts. Accordingly the authorities in Hong Kong should prepare for much more than just unruly demonstrations.
PS (3): The NDI through which the NED money was funneled is the Democratic Party arm for regime change campaigns. It also does quite a bit of other Hong Kong meddling by financing various other organizations. Such foreign agents need to be restrained.
Posted by b on September 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM | Permalink
After its Ukraine failure, it was clear the Outlaw US Empire would strike China next, with Hong Kong being the most obvious spot, although lots of terrorist activities sparked by CIA are occurring in Western China as I type.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29, 2014 1:04:49 PM | 1
Let's not forget that John McCain is COB of the National Republican Institute, which receives the majority of NED money doled out by the State Department.
McCain is also a member of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, the Armed Services Committee, and the Homeland Security Committee.
This incestuous relationship between the executive and legislative branches is not something foreseen in the Constitution and should be banned. It raises the question of who is working for whom--McCain for Obama, or Obama for McCain. (Not that it makes any difference in Obama's increasingly public neocon policy positions.)
Posted by: JohnH | Sep 29, 2014 1:27:21 PM | 2
One certainly doesn't need 3 guesses to suspect whether the people behind HK's 'troubles' are the Usual Suspects. I'm genuinely curious to see how China plays this - aside from the Tienanmen Option. Vlad booted several Yankee NGO's out of Russia a few years ago (for violating WRITTEN agreements to refrain from certain specified activities; would you believe?). The spooks left on such short notice that they had to leave things behind which would have left with them if their departure was more leisurely. I'm treating this as a test to see whether China & Russia, together, can outsmart the regime changers, or whether they're unbeatable - like the US Military....
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 29, 2014 1:35:29 PM | 3
I think the Chinese authorities have a pretty good handle on the trouble makers. Of course one dead student could change things fast. I doubt we'll see any flying visits from Nuland and McCain.
Posted by: dh | Sep 29, 2014 1:39:40 PM | 4
From April 6 2014 scmp article on the VP's meeting with the leaders of this latest grassroots revolution: "the duo also told the vice-president that freedom of speech and assembly were under threat in Hong Kong, yet its citizens remain determined to achieve universal suffrage."
However democracy is alive and well in the homeland, as per NYT's latest coverage no mention of that colorful scamp Biden and his barnstorming the world for freedom. Or any other relevant information you might like to know to assess what's going on and form an opinion. From revolutionary Ms Mung: "we want a more fair election so we can decide our own future. People feel that our opinions aren’t listened to.”
Thank god I"m an American.
Posted by: Nana2007 | Sep 29, 2014 2:11:07 PM | 5
It's been said before, but shit like this only confirms that the plan is Operation Global Coup.
Which is an idea only a madman would come up with.
Posted by: L Bean | Sep 29, 2014 2:25:00 PM | 7
Regarding China, the NED has also been involved in Tibet and in Xinjiang Province, where Beijing accused the NED-funded Washington-based World Uyghur Congress (WUC), which claims to be a government in exile, and its leader Khadeer Rebiya of planning riots in 2009. Extensive unrest has continued there. (Xinjiang has abundant oil reserves, is China's largest natural gas-producing region and is a portal to Central Asia.)
NED world involvement with grants-
Africa - 27 countries
Asia - 13
Central and Eastern Europe - 8
Eurasia - 9
Latin America and the Caribbean - 13
Middle East and North Africa - 14
total - 84 countries
--plus regional coverage
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29, 2014 2:30:05 PM | 9
While the Empire runs simulataneous destabilization ops in Hong Kong and Xinxang, the mind control grid gives lotsa love to Ali Babba and its techno-fascist CEO on 60 Minutes. When you're allowed to raise 25 billion on US markets and your compatriots own trillions in potentially worthless US paper, you are compromised and/or dependent. It seems only Vlad so much as considers the possibility of up turning the NWO apple cart and I'm not even sure about that.
The prmoise to China goes like this: support Zion and we'll keep paying interest and rent with our worthless paper.
Will China take this 'deal' or will they do exactly as Deng did in Tiananmen? Things worked out pretty good for the PRC leadership after 1989. Does the belligerent faction hold any sway? Someone might be itching to teach 'Democracy' advocates a lesson.
Posted by: Where-Wolf | Sep 29, 2014 2:39:59 PM | 11
The HKFS Declaration for Students’ Strike -
And shockingly, the government is insolent enough to simply ignore the people’s voices. In other words, the nominating committee, which is to a great extent controlled by the capitalists locally and from the mainland,will continue to turn a deaf ear to all kinds of rights and welfare we legitimately called for!
Beijing has removed the right for Hong Kongers to determine their future, and handed it to a committee of Beijing loyalists and tycoons with vested commercial and political interests. They have ignored our call for the right to a Chief Executive who is representative of Hong Kong’s interests at large.
At this rate, Hong Kong is doomed to remain to be one of the cities in the world with the most ridiculously wide wealth gap. Millions of our people would live under the poverty line, and the enactment of universal retirement security or standard working hours policies would be nowhere in sight. --The Hong Kong Federation of Students, 10 September 2014
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29, 2014 3:37:30 PM | 12
Yeah, b, I smell the same 'color revolution' perfume, too. So does China Daily, which claims that none other than Paul Wolfowitz met with a Hong Kong media tycoon last May. Thierry Meyssan of VoltaireNet has also reported that Uighurs and Chechens have been brought to Syria, where they are being given leadership positions in ISIS--Langley's newest brainfart. When the Syrian war is over, he speculates, they will be smuggled back into China and Russia to wage war against their hosts.
Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Sep 29, 2014 3:52:23 PM | 13
It's interestiyng that #universalsuffrage is one of the three main hashtags for the Hong Kong protests, given that it is mentionined in the 2012 NED report that b quotes.
Peter Lee writes in the post b links to:
Clearly, the PRC's envisioned terminus (the "ultimate aim") of the democratic reform line is universal suffrage to vote for candidates put forth by a nominating committee, not universal suffrage in the nomination as well as election process, which is the Occupy Hong Kong movement's demand.
Americans do not have universal suffrage in the latter sense. Because of the corruption caused by TV commercials in election campaigns being legal, the 0.01% get to nominate political candidates for major positions.
Posted by: Demian | Sep 29, 2014 3:59:10 PM | 14
The Chinese government relies on surveillance and informant networks to identify and block potential challenges to its political equilibrium. The one-party system is prone to corruption and lack of accountability, and is resistant to genuine grassroots reform efforts. That said, programs like the NED, starting from assumptions which are condescending and arrogant, do indeed meddle in the internal affairs of other nations - and serve a counter-productive role in that they allow the authorities of a target nation to assume and proclaim any political unrest as the direct result of foreign intervention (NED funded or not).
NED mission statements usually overflow with feel-good nostrums about the will of the people and transparency - but as Ukraine shows, those concepts can and will be dropped at convenience. Comparing the NED Ukraine mission statement with the actions and intent of the coup government reveals that the supposed intent of the NED project couldn't be further away from being realized and in fact was dealt a disastrous setback by the coup - yet the organization has been silent or quietly supportive of the coup regime.
Posted by: jayc | Sep 29, 2014 4:02:28 PM | 15
Ralph Nader wrote a book, Crashing The Party, about trying to counter the two-party juggernaut in the US. The states have restrictive requirements about getting on the ballot, they wouldn't allow Nader to even sit in the audience at the "presidential debates," etc. "I asked one British reporter what could possibly occupy him hour after hour, and he replied: 'Well, you try and garnish the dullards a bit as best you can.'"
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29, 2014 4:09:37 PM | 16
One party, two party -- there's little difference because in the US the R's and the D's go after the same voters and similar money, and the "elections" end up being on irrelevant issues (by design) as promoted by establishment media. Then add in gerrymandering, where most of the Ins stay in, and you get declining participation in elections, 62% in the last presidential, less in off-years.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29, 2014 4:33:16 PM | 17
@12 It's interesting that the HKFS should be complaining about oligarchs and capitalists in Beijing. Presumably they want another revolution. Can't see that playing very well in Washington.
Posted by: dh | Sep 29, 2014 4:47:46 PM | 19
So b, are you willing to concede that OWS sprung from the same depths? I concede you are spot on about this, so in turn, you should concede that OWS was bullshit.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Sep 29, 2014 5:27:25 PM | 20
@15 "The one-party system is prone to corruption and lack of accountability, and is resistant to genuine grassroots reform efforts." Where'd you learn that; the back of a cereal box?
Posted by: ruralito | Sep 29, 2014 5:45:53 PM | 21
@18, he didn't mention the Djews.
Posted by: ruralito | Sep 29, 2014 5:47:40 PM | 22
to explore possible reforms leading to universal suffrage.
But universal suffrage is part of the basic law!
Posted by: blowback | Sep 29, 2014 6:10:07 PM | 23
@21, Coldy von Moldy:
I don't remember OWS knocking over the US Govt. Do you? That usually requires a little foreign help. And if that movement were operating in the belly of beast, that would require a LOT of foreign help.
Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Sep 29, 2014 6:11:15 PM | 24
this appeared on Pravda
US backed colour revolution in Hong Kong:
'The leaders of the protest movement "Occupy Central", which organizes in Hong Kong, various public events with the requirements of the democratization of the management system, pre-workshops held in the "Hong Kong-American Center."
It is noteworthy that they were trained in the spring and summer campaign began. This information is leaked to the media. Officially stated purpose of the nonprofit organization is "to promote mutual understanding between the Chinese and the Americans", ITAR-TASS reported.
Pravda.Ru, that it is a social movement in Hong Kong, which formally aims to reform the electoral system, a special area (not to recall the NGO "Voice").
During the workshops, some international experts taught them the tactics of protest actions, negotiation strategies with the authorities in a large-scale popular uprisings, were isolated from the list of political demands points from which in any case should not be abandoned, says Chinese newspaper "Huanqiu Shibao".
Head of the "Hong Kong-American Center," Morton Holbrook appointed to this position at the end of last year, is "an important spy," about 30 years in the American intelligence agencies, says "Huanqiu Shibao." As noted in the article, Holbrook, as well as Hong Kong media mogul Jimmy Lai, a sponsor opposition, close to the former Minister of Defense Paul Wolfowitz.
"One gets the impression that the United States-based" Hong Kong-American center "is trying to use the experience of Eastern European" color revolutions "in Hong Kong in order to influence the internal situation," - emphasizes the newspaper.
Pravda.Ru recalls that color revolutions are called "non-violent" overthrow the government.
Posted by: brian | Sep 29, 2014 6:16:56 PM | 25
Looks like China, Russia and others will soon start funding democracy building groups in the US...
Democracy is sorely needed. Too bad the money has to come from such folks.
Posted by: JohnH | Sep 29, 2014 6:21:18 PM | 26
Half a million dollars in one year is not much. I should think the US spends that on "democracy" in each and every member of the United Nations. Nothing compared with the $5 billion spent by Nuland in Ukraine, which if averaged out is more than $200 million a year.
Posted by: Alexno | Sep 29, 2014 7:15:48 PM | 29
re 28. Are these people supermen? the Iraqi army is over 200,000 strong the numerous Shia militias number in the many 10's of thousands, where are they?
ISIS are sitting in Sunni villages outside Baghdad. They don't have a hope of getting into the city, because Baghdad is almost entirely Shi'a these days.
Actually yes, they probably are as near to supermen as you can get. They are feared, like the Mongols were, and the Israelis used to be.
Posted by: Alexno | Sep 29, 2014 7:22:46 PM | 30
I don't remember OWS knocking over the US Govt.
Precisely. I don't remember the Maidan protesters knocking over the Ukraine government. I do remember the crooked leader making a run for the Russian border after a bit of resistance was applied.
You don't think it's a coincidence the Hong Kong protesters are using the word "Occupy" for their side show?
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Sep 29, 2014 7:22:56 PM | 31
where are they?
With their hand in the cookie jar for as long as they can. Then vamanos.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Sep 29, 2014 7:24:50 PM | 32
Sorely needed! Ironic to have "these" people trying to open up the average US person's eyes, I'll take it from wherever I can get. Can't wait to hear US pols and pundits crying about it.
I had wondered that also. ISIS is like God...or a strange ghost army no once can quite pin down, except for Amrikans on der Homefront looking under their beds because Faux News and their ilk, that's all their mouthpieces can talk about. Immune they are to the bullets and bombs of the Iraq military and US air strikes, invisible to satellite imagery as convoys pf pickups cross wide open stretches of desert, and apparently, absent completely are any MOSSAD, CIA, Jordanian, Turkish, KSA-backed spooks, spies, infiltrators and informants to disrupt forthcoming plans. Keep it on a low boil until after the Nov. midterms' then President Redline can go back to doing what he does best - killing people and making shit up as he goes along.
Posted by: Farflungstar | Sep 29, 2014 7:32:34 PM | 33
Posted by: dh | Sep 29, 2014 4:47:46 PM | 20
oligarches and capitalists? when they are being fnufed by oligarches and capitalists.
HK looks like a Ukraine rerun: once again 'corruption' is the excuse to wage a colour revolution...whej the end result will be worse corruption and more oligarchs
the guy who is @GazaGlobal (tweets on gaza) has been supporting the HK patsies
Posted by: brian | Sep 29, 2014 8:08:29 PM | 34
ive just tweeted this page to @waiminglo and ask why he is a front for US NED
people should do the same ...put pressure on him
Posted by: brian | Sep 29, 2014 8:14:47 PM | 35
@35 I'm not sure this is Maidan again. That turned violent quite quickly. You need something like Pravyi Sektor to get a real response from the police. Don't see that in Hong Kong. If Beijing handles it carefully it could end peacefully.
Posted by: dh | Sep 29, 2014 8:44:34 PM | 36
I agree. I don't think this is going anywhere, so I don't see the point of stirring up these protests. The US State Department just can't help itself.
There was a pretty big turnout at the demo. I am suprised that so many Hong Kong students let themselves get fooled.
Posted by: Demian | Sep 29, 2014 9:14:53 PM | 38
b - thanks for the sleuthing work and your article..
@2 johnh.. that is quite interesting.. as a canuck, i was unaware of mccains various positions and role played in all this.. now i understand why he showed up in ukraine..
@4 dh.. it would be interesting to see the travel itinerary for mccain/nuland the past 6-12 months..
@9 don bacon.. interesting info on NED's involvement in Xinjiang Province in particular..
@11 Where-Wolf.. sounds about right..
@13 Seamus Padraig.. interesting data. thanks.
@15 jayc.. i would suggest NED was a screaming success in ukraine, even if it doesn't reflect it's supposed mandate..the mandate is having a leadership that is friendly to the us$ and the unipolar world under the exceptional nation..
@27 johnh - LOL! so true!
@30 Alexno.. good point.
@38 brian.. i very much doubt it.
Posted by: james | Sep 29, 2014 9:40:33 PM | 39
We've had huge demos in the US that didn't affect anything. Hundreds of thousands of people.
Aren't these mostly college kids blowin' it off?
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29, 2014 10:09:01 PM | 40
ah, the ubiquitous ned !
but dont forget hk has been the gateway to destabilisation of china since the opium war, its a virtual homeground of mi6/cia cunts.
in 1997 those perfidious albions literally passed a trojan horse back to china, laden with hk born n bred wogs, fukus patsies in all walks of life. a perfect hotbed for color rev.
ex mi6 spy Baroness Park
* MI6 uses traditional spying methods and ''a few new ones'' was ''very good'' at disruptive or covert action*  ;-)
snowden giving out limited handout...
*eah. I could be rendered by the CIA, I could have people come after me, or any of their third party partners, you know. They work closely with a number of other nations. Or, you know, they could pay off the Triads, or any, any of their agents or assets. We've got a CIA station just up the road in the consulate here in Hong Kong,* 
as if we need a *whistleblower* to tell us hk is clawing with cia, mi6 !
Posted by: denk | Sep 29, 2014 11:15:25 PM | 41
For some reason I do not think that China will let any color revolution spin out of control. They have been paying attention to what has been happening in eastern Europe. There is also something else going on in China today. The new government has been vigorously pursuing an anti-corruption campaign. It is very difficult to figure out who is being targeted right now but I suspect that the campaign is being directed toward wealthy capitalist (and their allies in the government) and not just corrupt officials. The government is working hard to prevent the emergence of any oligarchies that might compete for political power. They must see what happened in Russia not to say the mess Ukraine has become.
Putin spent a decade trying to reverse the political power of the Russian oligarchs and it is still uncertain if he succeeded.
Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 29, 2014 11:18:41 PM | 42
Very interesting article about Japan: Japan as an American Client State
let this sink in: Washington managed, without the use of violence, to manipulate the Japanese political system into discarding a reformist cabinet. The party that had intended to begin clearing up dysfunctional political habits that had evolved over half a century of one-party rule lost its balance and bearings, and never recovered. Hatoyama’s successor, Kan Naoto, did not want the same thing happening to him, and distantiated himself from the foreign policy reformists, and his successor in turn, Yoshihiko Noda, helped realign Japan’s bureaucracy precisely to that of the United States where roughly it had been for half a century. By calling for an unnecessary election, which everyone knew the DPJ would lose, he brought the American-blessed LDP back to power to have Japan slide back into its normal client state condition, essentially answerable, even if only tacitly, to Washington’s wishes.
Where earlier a China policy of friendly relations was being forged, there was suddenly nothing.
Posted by: Demian | Sep 30, 2014 12:47:58 AM | 43
China has a great deal of experience handling internal unrest. The Chinese government spends more on internal security than defense suppressing strikes and riots (180,000 such incidents in 2010). Most of these "incidents" are actions taken by those exploited or left behind by China's great capitalist experiment. A lot of them also take place in the factories of Western interests, so it's in everyone's "interest" to ignore them.
Nobody wants to see rustic, unsophisticated dirty faced miners and workers asking for mundane things like higher wages (although the Xi government may be much more receptive to these demands in the near future) when there are bright, fresh-faced, Westernized Hong Kong students protesting for something glorious like democracy!
Posted by: Almand | Sep 30, 2014 12:53:05 AM | 44
"The "western" media are making some issue about this as if "western" governments would behave any differently"
Oh the "western" (American) police would come in blazing with live ammo. You kiddin?
Posted by: nomas | Sep 30, 2014 2:51:48 AM | 45
You bet lots of the student protesters are there for the p**** and beer plus something to do on a a day off, a few care about the politics, maybe the US has groomed a few abbie hoffman, jerry rubin, tim leary types for misdirection. where is the smart money on this?
Posted by: Sunny Jim R | Sep 30, 2014 3:37:04 AM | 46
Posted by: Almand | Sep 30, 2014 12:53:05 AM | 45
Exactly. The Western press will promulgate this story to cover over the real story, and that real story is a global one that affects all of us, not just "ordinary" Chinese citizens.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Sep 30, 2014 6:19:36 AM | 47
OWS was a displacement operation, the magician's 'brilliant object'. When The Seeing Eye of Mordor glimpsed, in the wake of 'Grampa War Bucks - Princess See It From Here' defeat in 2008, amid the concomitant wipeout of US equities and 401ks, a rising phoenix of the Teabag Movement, seeking to sever the cord between NYC and WADC-NOVA, and therefore, as dangerous as the Tango were to the Muj in Afghanistan, The Chosen moved more brilliantly than we give them credit for.
The Blue Team created 'Occupy Wall Street', it's that simple. Directly athwart American Tealiban's march to Wall Street, bent on lynching The Chosen, The Right Stuff laid a psychic moat of radical, rebellious unwashed hoi polloi, a nocuous atheist antitrope to the American Tealiban's gray beards and blue hairs, hoping to pull the Temple pillars down.
And golly gajammit, it worked!
The Chosen laughed in derision at OWS, pissed out the windows on them. Breitbart taunted them in drunken glee. OWS were hosed with tear gas, the cops tended their clown show, the union garbagemen made their rounds. Then . they . all . went . home, leaving the American Tealiban in 'white hot rage', fecklessly slashing at their Twitters into an uncaring void.
After that inglorious defeat, the American Tealiban were coopted by trolls and trollops, led off madly tilting at Muslims, Migras and Microbes, or whatever Rush, Bill and Glenn served up for the day. Education and Ebola. Burkhas and Bimbos. Huddled in their basement bunkers, the MOST POWERFUL GROUP OF HUMANS IN WORLD HISTORY, who collectively control more wealth than lower four age quintiles combined, in fact, the last reserve of unconsolidated distributed private wealth still on Earth, were left helplessly blatherskite.
Think about that! Only 7,000 people showed for their Sovereigntist '10,000,000 Man March'!
The oldest jujitsu in the book. The Three Card Monte switcheroo. He who controls the meme, controls the masses. As Huxley said, or maybe it was McLuhan, 'the medium is the message'.
Now scale 'OWS' up to snuff flicks on You Tube by Brit pop-star wannabes, with a compliant corporate media running ISIS PSYOP front page, until every NATO member was back on board, and you have a small glimpse of the power of meme displacement, as it's being used today.
As Yuval Harari points out, "What is so special about us that allows for such cooperation? Unflatteringly, it is our talent for deluding ourselves. If you examine any large-scale human cooperation (or co-option), you will always find some imaginary story at its base. As long as many people believe in the same stories about gods, nations, money or human rights (memes and antitropes) – they follow the same laws and rules (of conduct).”
You all might as well go pound your keyboards in the bathtub for all the good it will do, and rename MoA, ♫ La Société des Acolytes Jean-Paul Marat ♫. It's one World Mil.Gov Uber Alles, and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead. That's what it does!!
The Fourth Reich of a Thousand Years, on Prime Time, in plain view. Dig it.
Posted by: ChipNikh | Sep 30, 2014 6:47:20 AM | 49
You said: "There was a pretty big turnout at the demo. I am suprised that so many Hong Kong students let themselves get fooled."
I am not surprised at all. Kids in college - besides being in a bubble, are also at an age where then naturally tend to rebel against authority. Throw in a nice line and some funding - which "democracy" and the NED do nicely, and there you have it.
I do think it is amusing that protests in Hong Kong are such big news when far larger and violent student protests in South Korea have been going on for decades.
They were so common at one point, there was a "protest season"
Posted by: c1ue | Sep 30, 2014 8:07:16 AM | 50
2013 numbers are available: NED funding for Hong Kong was down by a third from your 2012 figure, at slightly under $300,000, half of it for one human rights monitor. Compared to three times as much for Malaysia, say, or Ecuador, where any US hegemonic aims are certainly not being realized.
You really need to think in terms of what kind of power an empire is capable of projecting (military yes, nonviolent protest no), and what kinds of class interest are involved. I can understand how dirty US interests can be guilty of fomenting an upper-class coup in Venezuela, say, but I cannot understand how they could bring people out into the streets the way people are doing in Hong Kong--especially students: tight as the labor market in HK always is, youth unemployment is 11.6%. That's a real grievance, not a pretext made up by some American.
Posted by: Yastreblyansky | Sep 30, 2014 9:23:02 AM | 51
@ 50: "The Fourth Reich of a Thousand Years, on Prime Time, in plain view. Dig it."
AKA, the coming "Global Plantation". Love the prose.
Posted by: ben | Sep 30, 2014 9:34:12 AM | 52
If this wasn't NED sponsored, this story wouldn't have such legs. In Amrika, radio and TV twats are talking about it, so now people who normally do not give a crap about anything that doesn't directly affect them, are talking about it.
Posted by: Farflungstar | Sep 30, 2014 9:49:29 AM | 53
Posted by: Yastreblyansky | Sep 30, 2014 9:23:02 AM | 53
real grievances? amercains have real grievances yet we see no american springs, maidains or HK twats
what we do see in HK is the leaders meeting with 'people' like Joe Biden...just like Ukraine and Vicki(Fuck the EU) Nuland and M
Posted by: brian | Sep 30, 2014 10:16:34 AM | 55
There was a pretty big turnout at the demo. I am suprised that so many Hong Kong students let themselves get fooled.
Posted by: Demian | Sep 29, 2014 9:14:53 PM | 39
the ukrainians of euromaidan also let themselves be fooled
what im waiting for now is part 2: the SNIPERS
Posted by: brian | Sep 30, 2014 10:18:45 AM | 56
@38 brian.. i very much doubt it.
Posted by: james | Sep 29, 2014 9:40:33 PM | 40
lets wait and see...there have been snipers in ukraine venezuela egypt syria etc
Posted by: brian | Sep 30, 2014 10:19:59 AM | 57
This is a typical Color Revolution Move.
Hong Kong is a fantastic place for it.
The young people, school-, students, are all wired (smartphones), close by and near to each other, very into group young ‘activities’, in a particular social slot as part of an age category and position which is very strictly defined, generally massed together in their daily lives, imho also quite conventional and ready to follow leaders / their popular guys / gals, etc. Partly because they are, in my imagination, never set foot there, pretty a-political. 1.
OK a bit of a caricature, to make a point. Which is that such fires can be lit but then may die down, collapse under their own weight, the line between ‘doing our thing’ and political action dissolves into insignificance. Yet, they may spin off into violence on a reaction-counter-reaction scenario. An instigation of a color buzz in Hong Kong is in a way an admission of down-scaling.
Note the Hong Kong young ppl are occupying, demonstrating, or crowding, on questions that are not burning issues for them/their mates/families. The wider scope is perhaps sympathetic in a way, but not thought out (imho)
Contrast with what happened at the Maidan. What happened there is far more complicated, and many ordinary citizens of all ages / categories supported Maidan. Maidan was not your regular US-NED-type instigated color revolution. Ukraine had a color revolution - Orange - in 2004, which failed.
1. In other places, young ppl (not all of course..) are politised. In CH, for ex, they are Green, Neo-Nazi, libertarian, Goths, Radical-Liberal just like Dad, mainstream social democrats, People’s Party supporters, etc. All have other outlets for political action that they would not eschew (except in dire cases of course.) Some defend only the interests of their corporation (watch-maker apprentices! A plan for life!)
Posted by: Noirette | Sep 30, 2014 10:42:10 AM | 59
The NED, often acting with its partner USAID, working for the US State Department and CIA, has been active in Latin America also. Their involvement in the 2009 Honduras coup and the current unrest in Venezuela have been fully described. Bolivia wisely expelled USAID last year.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 30, 2014 12:44:35 PM | 60
@50 ChipNikh.. that was pretty funny. i guess you were being serious.. thanks either way.
Posted by: james | Sep 30, 2014 12:45:01 PM | 61
Maybe we've been relying to much on the msm on this.
Counterpunch: Hong Kong’s Fight Against Neoliberalism
As protesters flood the streets of Hong Kong demanding free elections in 2017, the international media puts on its usual spin, characterizing the struggle as one between an authoritarian state and citizens who want to be free. ...
But regardless of what the BBC wants the world to believe, Occupy Central isn’t so much a fight for democracy as a fight for social justice. ...
The main issue with CY Leung’s administration isn’t the fact that it wasn’t democratically elected, but that it serves two main groups: Beijing on one hand, and local elites on the other – in other words, far from democratic in its representation. It’s not hard to see why big business and the oligarchs are terrified of Occupy Central: any movement towards real democracy would see them losing power and losing their grip over the territory.
So according to this Hong Kong student (currently living in London), this protest movement is authentic afteer all.
Posted by: Demian | Sep 30, 2014 12:50:34 PM | 62
As documented by Tony Carlucci here many of the Hong Kong protest leaders have a long of contacts with NED/NDI.
Behind the so-called “Occupy Central” protests, which masquerade as a “pro-democracy” movement seeking “universal suffrage” and “full democracy,” is a deep and insidious network of foreign financial, political, and media support. Prominent among them is the US State Department and its National Endowment for Democracy (NED) as well as NED’s subsidiary, the National Democratic Institute (NDI).
They also seem to have found some additional funding from some local oligarchs (with fonancial interests in the U.S.)
Posted by: b | Sep 30, 2014 12:51:29 PM | 63
Hong Kong’s Fight Against Neoliberalism
Juan Cole wrote about the neoliberal angle here, in regard to Syria but the general case applies.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 30, 2014 1:21:15 PM | 64
Hm, I guess I should have paid more attention to that Hong Kong student studying at LSE. David Lindorff got fooled, too.
More from that Tony Carlucci piece:
The “Occupy Central” protests in Hong Kong continue on – destabilizing the small southern Chinese island famous as an international hub for corporate-financier interests, and before that, the colonial ambitions of the British Empire. Those interests have been conspiring for years to peel the island away from Beijing after it was begrudgingly returned to China in the late 1990′s, and use it as a springboard to further destabilize mainland China. ...
To push this agenda – which essentially is to prevent Beijing from vetting candidates running for office in Hong Kong, thus opening the door to politicians openly backed, funded, and directed by the US State Department – NDI lists an array of ongoing meddling it is carrying out on the island.
Maidan was not your regular US-NED-type instigated color revolution.
No, it wasn't. NED-type instigated color revolutions don't typically have racist fascists playing a leading role.
Posted by: Demian | Sep 30, 2014 1:28:02 PM | 65
Universal suffrage and full democracy. I wonder if 99 percent of the protesters even have a shared definition of those demands, much more the outcome? Anyone else get the familiar impression these rather vague demands in and of themselves would never achieve what they suggest they want? It's the same criticism of oh so many protests movements/groups I've involved myself with or observed from afar. And utilizing the OWS name is simply driving a wooden stake in that already dead vampire. How far is Hong Kong (and all these demands) from the actual Wall Street again?
Posted by: Eureka Springs | Sep 30, 2014 1:45:52 PM | 66
Sticking with the neolib angle, new India PM Modi is in Washington meeting with corporate chiefs who want him to increase corporate opportunities in India.
Obama/Modi: “The advent of a new government in India is a natural opportunity to broaden and deepen our relationship. With a reinvigorated level of ambition and greater confidence, we can go beyond modest and conventional goals. It is time to set a new agenda, one that realizes concrete benefits for our citizens.”
You just know that when they come out with bullshit like "benefits for our citizens" that it's time to bend over. (Cheesh -- I'm sounding like POA now. I guess that means I miss his pungent voice.)
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 30, 2014 1:47:55 PM | 67
Kinda interesting look at the protest leaders.....
"Wong, 17, the razor-thin leader of the student group Scholarism, has been one of the city’s most outspoken pro-democracy activists for three years. Wong founded the group in 2011 to protest a Beijing-backed proposal to implement a “patriotic education” curriculum in the city’s public schools; the following autumn, he mobilised 120,000 people to occupy the city government headquarters, leading officials to shelve the plan.
As a testament to his influence, state media has attempted to discredit him by portraying him as an “extremist” with shadowy ties to the US (he firmly denies the charge). Police arrested him on Friday night after a group of students scaled a fence to invade the government complex. By the time they released him on Sunday afternoon, his detention had already catalyzed further demonstrations."
Posted by: dh | Sep 30, 2014 2:17:37 PM | 68
Today's Washington Post has on its op ed page an interview with the Prime Minister of Italy, Matteo Renzi, in which he basically argues for the whole neoliberal program and dismantling the whole Italian welfare state. Italy’s prime minister: ‘Everything must change in Italy’.
Posted by: lysias | Sep 30, 2014 2:30:44 PM | 69
What was the size of the grant(s) for mainland students?
Posted by: Bill Smith | Sep 30, 2014 3:11:15 PM | 70
In all the pictures I have seen the Hong Kong "students" all look like mercenaries. They are all men, 20-30 YOA, muscular, all dressed in workout clothes, all carrying fanny packs, all wearing boots. If these aren't US trained troops then, bullshit. Because 90% of them are.
Posted by: nomas | Sep 30, 2014 5:07:42 PM | 71
Posted by: Anon | Sep 30, 2014 7:35:05 PM | 72
"Sticking with the neolib angle"
I don't think it is too far fetched to say that countries like Libya, Egypt and Syria bought into the neo-liberal bill of goods and faced - at least in part - some homegrown agitation because of it. The US is well known for "making economies scream" and the Bush-era was the height of neoliberal encroachmment into the former socialist areas.
Nothing is more sure to create a riot that slashing of food and fuel subsidies. The Americans know this, and push for this.
This is not to say that those who rush out into the streets and chop off the heads of the Shia have legitimate grievances, or are even motivated by the hurt of the average Arab citizen. But it does play a role, I have no doubt.
Gaddafi and Assad as well toyed with neoliberalism when the GWOT threatened them. It was "the offer they couldn't refuse" that lead to chaos in Libya and civil war in Syria.
Posted by: guest77 | Sep 30, 2014 9:36:56 PM | 73
What a joke to discuss "democracy" at a time like this.
The choice on the world stage is not wether this island city will have "democracy" but wether we will have a world dominated by one power - the worst conception of life that fascism strives for.
None of us know what occurs in HK past the slogans. What we do know is that, if China or Russia falls to the US - no matter how "autocratic" they may be - there will be no independent action anywhere.
Unless you call what is happening in Greece "democracy" or what is happening in Ukraine "democracy" or what is happening in Libya "democracy". In which case - you've said enough.
Posted by: guest77 | Sep 30, 2014 9:40:31 PM | 74
At present, the world knows just a few places that could be described as "democracies". And these are most certainly NOT the places that push for and crow most loudly about "democracy".
It is all a sham. In a perfect world, HK would be able to chose its slate with no outside power. But this is not a perfect world.
The Chinese move to limit candidacies is no different than the Western oligarchies move to do the same by flooding elections with cash - in their home countries and abroad. Arguably, the second is far worse.
Posted by: guest77 | Sep 30, 2014 9:47:01 PM | 75
Maidan demonstrators might not have wanted neoliberalism, but that's what they're getting, thanks to their "revolution". It would be the same with Hong Kong, if it citizens got "universal suffrage", a.k.a. officials chosen by the Empire (instead of China).
Posted by: Demian | Sep 30, 2014 9:51:46 PM | 76
@Demain - I agree completely.
Posted by: guest77 | Sep 30, 2014 9:59:04 PM | 77
@Demian - there is no fascist who does not work for the oligarchy, no matter what he or she thinks. The Night of the Long Knives comes - always.
Posted by: guest77 | Sep 30, 2014 9:59:54 PM | 78
besids wolfowitz the neocon and mark simon the spook, media tycoon jimmy lai's buddies include the well known ned patsy martin lee, a hk born n bred wog.
his ned connection is beyond doubt, hell, he got standing ovation whenever he went to the *hill* to sermonise on democracy in china.
Posted by: denk | Sep 30, 2014 10:30:29 PM | 79
Andre Vitcheck sums up Western "freedom" succinctly:
The West has finally reached the highest level of ‘freedom’. It is a freedom for itself – a terrible freedom to play with the world as if it were a ball, a cheap and insignificant thing.
Posted by: guest77 | Sep 30, 2014 10:42:21 PM | 80
Joshua Wong, the protest leader, is seventeen years old? Is that right?
Children have a short attention span. China will wait it out.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 30, 2014 11:18:42 PM | 83
Posted by: Demian | Sep 30, 2014 12:50:34 PM | 64
bad link as it goes to a piece on Evangelicals!
Posted by: brian | Sep 30, 2014 11:20:29 PM | 84
Posted by: Demian is a dumbshit | Sep 30, 2014 7:12:37 AM | 51
is it Moonofalabama policy to allow this sort of character attack label?
Posted by: brian | Sep 30, 2014 11:25:08 PM | 85
So according to this Hong Kong student (currently living in London), this protest movement is authentic afteer all.
Posted by: Demian | Sep 30, 2014 12:50:34 PM | 64
think that one thru! euromaidan in ukraine and the reforms rallies in syria may have had valid goals...this didnt stop them from being used by shadowy persons...both groups ended up being attacked by snipers..used to put pressure of the govts
if no snipers appear we can take this is a legit rally for what they claim....but my guess is others are there with other agendas
Posted by: brian | Sep 30, 2014 11:28:25 PM | 87
I think that the role that the NED has played here by itself shows that the demonstrators are being used and duped. I doubt that snipers will be used in Hong Kong.
By the way, from #66, Juan Cole wrote:
Only when the regime dealt with the 2011 protests by drawing up tanks and firing on peaceful protesters, and by stationing snipers on rooftops, did the protesters gradually take up arms.
As far as I can tell, he is just lying there. First, as far as I know, the snipers did not work for the "regime": same as in Kiev. Second, the "protesters" did not "take up arms". The armed fighters are foreign jihadists trained by the US, as Andre Vitchec explains.
Juan Cole is such a pompous, hypocritical whore. Informed Comment my foot.
Posted by: Demian | Sep 30, 2014 11:47:05 PM | 88
Democracy is a Western concept, not an Asian one.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 30, 2014 11:50:49 PM | 89
@ Demian #91
Get issues into perspective.
Juan Cole may be wrong on snipers (you don't know), but not on neoloberalism.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 30, 2014 11:52:35 PM | 90
Ming Chun Tang has a blog
its often useful to go back thru a persons blog to gain an idea of his/her orientation(....sorry!)
Posted by: brian | Sep 30, 2014 11:55:06 PM | 92
Toby Carroll's description of the HK economic situation might be applied almost verbatim to that in the U.S. One in five in poverty? US -- 15%. etc.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 30, 2014 11:59:12 PM | 93
I hope that's correct. It would be nice if there was an organic movement for social justice. Color revolutions seem to make everything worse for everyone but oligarchs.
Posted by: Crest | Oct 1, 2014 12:01:40 AM | 94
@Don Bacon #93:
I never said that Cole is wrong on neoliberalism.
Cole also says that "ISIL surprised [Obama] and his intelligence officials". Cole doesn't mention that the ISIL is a CIA creation, so he is just backing up Obama with his lying.
Posted by: Demian | Oct 1, 2014 12:31:09 AM | 95
Remember the three hikers who were arrested and spent some time in Iran's prisons? What were they doing before that? Working for NGOs in Syria and Yemen.
Posted by: Bob In Portland | Oct 1, 2014 1:59:04 AM | 96
do hkers have grievances , do mainlanders hve grievances too, do
indians have grievances, indonesians have grievances ?
u betcha !
here's the truth....
what u can be damn sure is someone out there have been spending
yrs in infiltrating and manipulating these dissidents movements.
there's an army of cunts out there whose *day jobs* consist of looking for *sparks* at every corner of the world and ignite it into an inferno.
witness tibet, xinjiang, south china sea, east china sea, ukraine and....hk !
the uber militancy of these protestors is rather revealing, now they demand the hk chief to step down. !
the puppet masters know full well china wouldnt budge, in fact the police has issued an ultimatum to the protestors to back off.
in demanding a regime change, the manipulators are no doubt trying to provoke a clash, hopefully leading to *tam massacre* sequel. u bet
they already have the editorials, headlines standing by...
*hk police shot at unarmed protestors, killing hundres....*
wow , i could almost visualise these cunts wanking themselves in front of the screen already !
in every guardian thread abou tibet, xinjiang and now hk, there'd be idiots chanting about the tam *massacre*, where *the brutal ccp used tanks to crush the bones of unarmed protestors* [sic]
some cunts are already salivating that this would turn into tam2. !
in every fukus destabilisation caper, there'r always the willing
and unwitting patsies, then there'r the useful idiots .....
*If it's true - then they must have learned it from Red China *
ukus [ i cant use fukus over there] wrote the book on ff, any idea whats a false flag ?
*However, as usual, you do the people of Hong Kong a great
disservice. Hong Kong people are westernised and are very politically aware.*
u bet !
your idols martin lee, anson chan are typical hk born n bred wogs lol !
politically aware isnt the same as politically astute !
a politically aware but obtuse activist is perfect target for brainwashing !
*A bit of tear gas isn't brutal. What's brutal is sending in tanks and armed infantry into a bunch of students in Tianamen Square.*
see what i mean, u've been kept in the dark n fed bs all these yrs !
*Let's also not forget when China was inspiring not just riots in Hong Kong but also planting bombs in numerous places.
You want links? Here you are:
The true face of China.*
i dont want *links*
i want evidence, if u think wiki is credible *evidence* that just goes to show how brainwashed you'r. :-(
i forgot to tell him, ever heard of gladio ?
Posted by: denk | Oct 1, 2014 2:17:33 AM | 97
I thiink Ming Chun Tang article is only to attract the left. It's mostly the left who hate neoliberalism. He's' either fake left or naive.
Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 1, 2014 5:18:14 AM | 98
@okie farmer I'm here. No, it's not to attract the left - it's how life really is in Hong Kong. I am neither fake left nor naive. What other personal attacks have you got?
Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1, 2014 6:10:49 AM | 99
Pro-Beijing Media Accuses Hong Kong Student Leader of U.S. Government Ties
Tags: CHINA CURRENT EVENTS PROTESTS/REVOLUTION
The face of Hong Kong’s student democracy movement came under furious attack by a pro-Beijing newspaper today, upping the ante in the fight over the former British colony’s political future.
WEBMASTER ADDITION: "Evidence for Mr. Wong’s close ties to the U.S. that the paper cited included what the report described as frequent meetings with U.S. consulate personnel in Hong Kong and covert donations from Americans to Mr. Wong. As evidence, the paper cited photographs leaked by “netizens.” The story also said Mr. Wong’s family visited Macau in 2011 at the invitation of the American Chamber of Commerce, where they stayed at the “U.S.-owned” Venetian Macao, which is owned by Las Vegas Sands Corp."
Las Vegas Sands Corp. is owned by Sheldon Adelson, who is facing bribery charges under the current Chinese government and thus has a powerful motive to fund an overthrow.
Posted by: brian | Oct 1, 2014 8:20:30 AM | 100