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August 23, 2014

The Fishy James Foley Video

What is fishy with the James Foley beheading video?

1. I have not seen it yet.

2. The video was well produced and at least partially staged:

"My experience of these things is when the knife gets close the knees buckle and you become like a rag doll, whereas this guy seemed to sit upright. It could be that that particular knife wasn't the one that killed him, that that was a play-acting thing," the expert told The Times.

After the part where the executioner was shown cutting Foley's head, the video fades.

The next part of the video already showed Foley's decapitated head while he was upturned back. His hands were handcuffed. But his right ankle already had bruises hinting that he had been kneeling on the ground longer than what was shown in the video. And most importantly, a different looking knife lies on the ground, next to Foley's corpse.

"The guy is obviously dead but it may be that particular scene was acted and that was why he is staying stiff," the security expert noted.

3. Unlike other beheading videos this one apparently does not show the actual beheading. It just blends from the first appearance of a slight cut to a decapitated body.

4. Few others have seen the video. It was, on behalf of U.S. officials, aggressively blocked on Youtube and Twitter even deleted accounts that linked to the video. Hundreds of other ISIS videos showing very graphic beheading of Syrians and Iraqis second by second were never censored away like this.

5. Lots of people believe the video and the "death" of James Foley is fake.

The journalist James Foley was a propagandist for the Free Syrian Army. In that he had joined important U.S. politicians. The FSA terrorists were trained by the U.S. and then converted to ISIS which the U.S. now claims to fight. The U.S. is still giving rocket launchers and TOWs to FSA gangs, aka soon-to-be-ISIS followers.

ISIS is the typical cartoon supervillain the U.S. creates whenever it wants to propagandize for more wars. It is the best possible enemy. ISIS allows for ridiculous threat inflation that will probably give Obama new wide-open congressional Authority for the Use of Military Force (AUMF) in Iraq and probably in Syria and elsewhere.

Those are a lot of miles from a few bloody drops in a somewhat staged video. Staged how much though is an open question.

Posted by b on August 23, 2014 at 12:15 PM | Permalink

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James Foley, VICE, ISIS et al; CIA. It's all, ALL for domestic consumption. My fellow Americans disgust me.

Posted by: L Bean | Aug 23, 2014 12:35:03 PM | 1

I haven't seen the entire video, but, have seen enough of it
I also have a still from the video linked at my blog
Others have seen it and left descriptions of it

The Pentagon verified the 'video' as real
They did not verify the beheading as real
weasel wording- misdirection

The beheading of an alleged journalist serves a very specific agenda- the Obama doctrine, clearly layed out as such

"But there’s an exception to the Obama Doctrine of restraint: terrorism. Obama is ready and willing to use US military power — indirectly if possible, directly if needed — against terrorists who pose a threat to the US"

James Foley conveniently provides the US with the perfect pretext to strike Syria

All information and relevant links are posted at my place.

Who benefits from this staged psyop?
Certainly not Syria or the Syrians
However the US/Israeli/NATO push on Syria just took one large step forward

Posted by: Penny | Aug 23, 2014 12:45:22 PM | 3

b,

Pl see my post : http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/08/syria-us-intelligence-for-syrian-air-force-bombing.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01b7c6d05fc4970b

#24 from your August 21 2014 thread

Both Foley and Sotloff are friends with Matthew VanDyke , a merc who was jailed by Gaddhafi's men for being a combattant with AQ in Libya
Foley was also arrested and jailed in Libya.
In 2012, Vandyke was doing something illegal on the borders of Syria/Turkey and he was fighting with th e"good guys" al-Nusra against Assad. He wanted Sotloff to help him. Before Sotloff went back to Syria and was ultimately kidnapped, he met with VanDyke in the US.
Surprising that both Foley and Sotloff got kidnapped in Syria by Rebels or Jihadists or Islamists, whatever you want to call them and Vandyke is in the US. Presently he is collecting money to, supposedly, go to Iraq to help the Christian populations there.
So what next, who is going to be kidnapped by IS in Iraq?
For whom is Matthew VanDyke working?

Posted by: Yul | Aug 23, 2014 12:50:54 PM | 4

Here's an article about this fraud.

Obviously it's not lost on anyone the parallels between the US and Israel here:

So, there's like this super fishy story about 3 settlers being kidnapped and killed then - VOILA!! - an excuse to further the Israel genocidal cleansing of more Palestinian land to the tune of 2000+ murdered.

A bullcrap story about a fake beheading - a la Daniel Pearl/Nick Berg, seriously read the back stories on these two guys - and now the US has reasons to further the Zionist balkanization agenda.

What a stroke of luck.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 23, 2014 12:51:14 PM | 5

I see it in really simple terms. Americans and other westerners weren't sufficiently impressed by the false-flag Ghouta gassing so a 'celebrity' needed to be killed. They have reams of contingency plans. 'Assad has to go'. The mere existence of ISIS(transnational western-funded mercenary group LLC) is in itself, a false-flag.

I'm wondering what will be next for Ukraine, given that even the downing of an international airliner full of EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE has failed to stimulate the jaded western outrage machine. Will it be nuclear? Or will the false flag be in America? imo one or the other or both. The warhorses are chomping at their bits.

Posted by: L Bean | Aug 23, 2014 1:00:38 PM | 6

It might be a recruitment video, directed at angry young men who really want to believe that the IS wants to challenge the US. This might partially explain why the beheading itself isn't shown. They want to recruit infantry, not psychopaths drawn by the sight of gore. The latter tend to go into special/dark ops.

Posted by: jay | Aug 23, 2014 1:05:05 PM | 7

Richard Dannatt former head of the British army wants to co operate with Assad "Dannatt argued that one reason for talking to Assad would be to ensure that, if the US or the UK wanted to launch air strikes against Isis bases in Syria, they were not targeted by Syrian air defences".
But Hammond dismissed this idea. "I don't know where the idea comes from that Assad has to assent to a military intervention in his country. There's a civil war raging," he said.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/philip-hammond-assad-not-ally-fight-isis-syria There you have it, the UK can breach Syria's sovereignty any time it likes. With a coalition of the willing no doubt.

Posted by: harry law | Aug 23, 2014 1:27:03 PM | 8

Like most I've only ever seen the still of Foley kneeling in the orange jumpsuit and the black-clad executionist standing to his left before the supposed beheading. Foley's demeanor certainly is not that of someone who's about to have his head sawed off with a butterknife.

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 23, 2014 1:27:52 PM | 9

If ISIL is able to threaten with impunity anywhere in the globe as the govt. and the msm suggessts, then to me that indicates ISIL is a western created and financed propaganda terror apparatus and the entire WOT is a false flag. A false flag to implement that traitorous fascist patriot act. A false flag to enabling governments to erode civil liberties world wide. A false flag enabling governments to create dossiers on every citizen of the globe.


Posted by: WTCSEVEN | Aug 23, 2014 1:31:28 PM | 10

i haven't seen the video either, but i've seen plenty of heads roll in a whole slew of zombie/vampire/gore type movies. then there's the scene in gladiator when maximus lops off some dude's head in the arena after plunging a couple of swords into his torso.

when you know the violence is real, it agitates a whole other part of the brain.

Posted by: john | Aug 23, 2014 1:42:13 PM | 11

There is something peculiar about it all. It all seems too neat, clean and studio-driven for such a barbarous, up-close-and-personal act. I haven't bothered looking closely for this very reason — because I smell honey trap and I won't play those reindeer games.

I'm thinking of doing an irreverent post on it myself — maybe I'll title it ex·fo·ley·a·tion. A word of warning to all — I wouldn't view the video if I were you. If you're not on a list already, you will be thereafter.

What's unnerving to me is the need of leaders like Cameron and Obama to view this, for lack of a better word, terror porn. Why do they need to view it? Can't they just take their staff's word for it like they do with everything else? Of course, that's assuming this is all on the up and up and these days it's difficult if not impossible to assume anything's on the up and up. So much Tom Foolery and why not if you can? There's nothing better to do.

One wonders considering that, are they kicking back with several scotches under their belt and the lotion and tissues in stand-by as the reel plays over and over again?

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 23, 2014 1:53:01 PM | 12

The orange and black figures against the desert background is a striking image - that created suspicion for myself. An element of professional production design. Then the MSM jumped on it, with similar headlines, similar stories and similar remedies. Particularly in Britain, where the video served two purposes - underline the terrorist threat in Mideast, and underline the threat of so-called homegrown terrorists as much was made of the alleged killers accent.

Posted by: jayc | Aug 23, 2014 1:58:42 PM | 13

I've seen it and immediately thought it was fake too. I'm glad other people write about this.
I know it sounds like I'm just trying to join 'the crowd' now, but I'm being honest I promise.
First time I'm commenting about it anywhere too.
Didn't spot the different knives or the other "CSI stuff"...just seemed a bit off. A lot different to other beheading videos from Syria. It was the first that looked 'directed and edited' and the first with clear footage, and (at least it seemed to me) filmed with more than one camera, and by someone who knows about film lighting and camera angles. Besides it had good audio.
Most Syria videos are really grainy and all you can see is pixels moving on the screen. They only steady the camera/phone when filming the gruesome stuff (which I usually avoid seeing). This was different. And it was the first that didn't show the actual beheading, it was only the 'before' and 'after' stages...

Basically, I only have a hunch, and can't claim for certain it's staged, but can claim that it differs from other "crazy isis/aq/fanatic" vids A LOT.

Posted by: Seen it | Aug 23, 2014 1:59:56 PM | 14

Look at James Foley
All Fit and Trim
Certainly Well-Fed
And Not Too Grim
The Sky Is Bright
It's Crystal Clear

Out Comes A Knife
But Foley's Unfazed
The Slicing Commences
Bucolic Scenery Fades
What Comes Next
Can Only Be Described
As An Act of Horror
Seemingly Staged

Leaders Watch in Darkened Rooms
Scotch, Lotion and Tissues Close at Hand
After Hours of Viewing Pleasure
They Issue Their Commands
Bomb All The Brownskins
Until Their Home's a Wasteland

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 23, 2014 2:29:11 PM | 15

Why didnt he run? I rather get shot in the back than get my head cut off. Or didnt he know what was coming?

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 23, 2014 2:34:08 PM | 16

What another Amerikan false flag event and off to bomb Syria to save them from Amerikas made up army isis. Is hollyweird writing this shit?

Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 23, 2014 2:43:35 PM | 17

@ Cold #12
Maybe you have a good point about anyone who views the video going on a list, but I don't think so. Depends on where you view the video. As aptly noted by others here, the video is too dubious to rank as true and even if it is, it does not even show any blood during the "beheading." In fact, as b notes in his item #3, the video doesn't, technically, show a "beheading." I've downloaded it and if I get f*ked with, I'll let you know. Or, if you don't hear from me, call Gitmo.

IMO it's crucial that people view the vid if they're going to comment on it. That seems too obvious to have to say.

b's point #2 about Foley's knees not buckling is like "huh?" The guy is on his knees, how they gonna' buckle? You gotta' see the video to understand that sort of stuff.

But that's not to say I think the video is legit. I have doubts -- there are many anomalies. Here are a few I caught.

1. The vid is about 2.5 mins long, not counting the intro. But you can see from the length of the shadow of Foley's head on his shoulder that filming took a lot longer than a couple of mins. The shadow starts out reaching well down his chest and by the end it's only half way down his chest. The shadow on the ground decreases in length by 20% over the 2.5 mins. If you're good at trigonometry, you could figure out exactly how much time passed.

2. It looks to me like Foley was facing south in the morning at around 10 or 11am. The sun is from his left, and slightly his rear.

3. Initially, Foley has a mic clipped to his tunic. This is removed in the final part. I cannot see that the mic wire is attached to anything.

4. As noted above, Foley's demeanor is odd throughout, although I don't know what to expect of someone in his position. I don't expect them to grin -- see at 4:19.

5. I don't get the monologue. It's obviously scripted and either he has an invisible teleprompter, an incredible memory in tight situations, or really good eyes to be able to read it.

6. The head on the body makes no sense. It has bloody cuts and abrasions and hematomas -- all of which must have occurred before death. But when the "beheading" begins, there is not a mark on Foley's head. I don't see any bruises on any ankles. Not sure what that comment was about or how bruises would indicate kneeling anyway.

7. I can't get the sweat stains in his tunic to match from one camera shot to the next. There is one that stays pretty much constant in the middle of his chest, but others below it come and go - once again indicating that the video took quite a bit of time to make.

Another point I might raise is political and has been discussed extensively at LogoPhere:

http://logophere.com/Topics/14-08/Aug22-14-GS.htm

If Obomber wants to get to ISIS inside Syria, it's going to get interesting politically. He has 2 options: A) Attack targets in Syria w/out Assad's permission and risk all-out war with Russia, Assad's protector. B) Eat a bunch of crow by removing the sanctions against Russia and apologizing to Assad for last year's false accusations that Assad killed the people in Ghouta.

Obomber has pissed off both Assad and Putin big time, and now he needs them both, big time. There is no way USG can now make nice w/ Assad without going through Putin. Ultimately, Foley's "death" could have a tremendous impact on how things play out in Ukraine.


Posted by: Pierpont | Aug 23, 2014 2:52:01 PM | 18

Wouldn't put a goddamn thing past the Amerikans and their blackmailed poodles in Europe and the Gulf to fake ANYTHING at all in the pursuit of their goals, be they Oded Yinon, the prevention of certain oil pipelines vs. the construction of others, etc. How do you tell when they are lying? Their lips move. At this point in time, after all their endless piles of bullshit ad nauseum, nothing the "heads of state" in Amerika, Canada, Airstrip One and Two and much of Europe can be taken without a grain of salt. And the Jewish Caliphate? When they say they are gonna kill Arabs because of some bullshit story serving as a justification, you can definitely believe it. You don't need to peek under their pointy white hats to figure that one out.

Underestimate these cunning and merciless scumbags at your own risk.

Posted by: Prey4 Justice | Aug 23, 2014 3:18:45 PM | 19

Actually, I did watch it, difficult though it was to do. In my case, having a professional involvement in Syria, I felt I had a need to know the facts, rather than the wild stories which are serving as truth at the moment.

As to whether it's fake, I would say that it is an edited video, with some parts omitted, perhaps a struggle. Perhaps the final act wasn't good imagery. But does anyone believe Foley is still alive? Surely not.

Posted by: Alexno | Aug 23, 2014 3:20:35 PM | 20

Fishy is the right word indeed. Why would they NOT show the whole beheading? I mean, the Mexican cartels have done it numerous times (many still freely available for viewing on YouTube). ISIS has themselves taped the whole thing numerous times. And these are, after all, "the most bloodthirsty worse than al Qaeda monsters in the world" - but they're making PG-13 beheading videos?

What this is a real example of is the US Government's ability to control the flow of information, even on the supposedly "free wheelin'" internet. Even on supposedly "revolution sparking" sites like Twitter.

On this weeks Comment with George Galloway, multiple callers all made the same point: when does a terrorist become a "Terrorist"? In the west, the callers noted, it seems that the murder of 100,000 Syrians is not enough to get ISIS the moniker - but the "murder" of one Western journalist is.

It stinks. Stinks to high heaven. The video. The hypocrisy. The everything.

Galloway made the obvious point too - FUKUSISA involvement in the Iraq/Syria borderlands is the absolute wrong thing to do. What must be done - now - is to support the Iraqis and the Syrians. Not support the calls of these "western" governments for their own phony attacks on ISIS which will only serve to further immerse them and their goals in the region - but to support Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Lebanon to do the work they have already been doing so well: defeating the western backed terror armies.

If we in "the west" want to support any policy, it should be demanding our governments end all support for the terrorists of the Middle East - from ISIS to Israel.

....

Any one checked if LiveLeak has it? Anyone know who owns LiveLeak - where it comes out of?

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 23, 2014 3:31:22 PM | 21

I watched a video analysis of the "beheading" and am pretty well convinced it's a fake. First, after sawing for a while there's NO blood running down the neck, but blood on top of his head and around the side of, like a blood packet had been exploded. Even the last frame before it fades to black, gamma enhanced, shows no blood anywhere on the neck. Then, you have the neck being "sawed" just below the chin, and a decapitated body with the head and neck apparently removed at the shoulders. The video claims to have done "ELA" analysis and shows numerous Photoshop markers- I'm not familiar with that so I can't confirm that kind of thing and haven't got around to checking that out. But I saw enough for me to call BS, plus the obvious accompanying false flag-ish media circus and objectives served by this kind of event. Hearing now he was something like an almost embedded jihad journalist propagandist makes me all the more suspicious. Dude may be dead, who knows, but I believe the beheading video is a staged fake. It's getting to the point where you have to be suspicious about every single story that msm covers- every damn word even. Crazy.

Posted by: Colinjames | Aug 23, 2014 3:43:48 PM | 22

Link: the link I first watched it on was removed already. Won't be surprised if this one gets pulled. Also, you know how YouTube auto-completes searches with various words before you're done typing? Plenty of "James Foley (this and that) but nothing containing the word "fake" which is what I typed in. But plenty of videos, tons, with that very word in it. I know, shocking right?

http://youtu.be/FdLbg8Vu6Gk

Posted by: Colinjames | Aug 23, 2014 3:54:13 PM | 23

As I mentioned yesterday, the parade of fiends who will scaremonger the ISIS threat (ffor their own political gain is growing. Now its Senator Infhofe (R- Boeing Co/Big Oil), the louse who can't be convinced of global warming science but is happy to trot out such lines like: "We're in the most dangerous position we've ever been in as a nation” when it comes to the phony ISIS threat.

http://www.okcfox.com/story/26331734/senator-inhofe-warns-of-potential-terrorist-attacks-on-us-soil

Let's cover that again: "We're in the most dangerous position we've ever been in as a nation”. So, because....

1) some fanatics who "control" a desert territory with a population that of Maryland
2) some fanatics who would probably vanish without a trace if we'd stop sending them cash and support
3) some fanatics who have no weapons of mass destruction (aside form possibly some Sarin our shenanigans allowed them to capture in Syria)
4) some fanatics who have repeatedly claimed that attacking the US is not even their number one priority

....the United States - "most powerful nation in the world" - is in more danger than it was during World War Two? The confrontation with the Soviet Union?

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 23, 2014 4:05:59 PM | 24

b, why a new AUMF for Iraq? The old AUMF is still in effect. And, anyway, isnt Obama using Article II powers to conduct the latest operations?

Posted by: ess emm | Aug 23, 2014 4:06:00 PM | 25

No doubt in my mind: leave ISIS to be dealt with by the local governments. That means Asad, Baghdad, and the Kurds. Support them with aid, weapons and even air strikes. Air strikes for all of them, not just the Kurds.

The local governments need to be seen as the victors. Otherwise, more jihadism will be encouraged, if it is thought that it was the Americans who did it.

Posted by: Alexno | Aug 23, 2014 4:07:07 PM | 26

Speaking of false flags.....Vineyard stated yesterday that Holland will NOT release the Black Box tapes.

Posted by: HJL | Aug 23, 2014 4:30:30 PM | 27

re 27. I imagine you're talking the crash of the Air Algérie plane. Not very relevant here.

Posted by: Alexno | Aug 23, 2014 4:49:18 PM | 28

Another day, another false flag from Washington... YAWN!

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Aug 23, 2014 5:22:53 PM | 29

Wayne Madsen has a forthcoming, currently embargoed, report on the media outlet Foley works for.

Start here:

http://www.globalpost.com/mission/board

http://www.globalpost.com/mission/our-team/staff


See also: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/new-terror-narrative-emerging-isis-supports-american-resistance.html

Posted by: Sulllen Bell | Aug 23, 2014 5:33:10 PM | 30

It's not just the Foley beheading. The whole ISIL enterprise seems fishy. Thierry Meysan put up a piece that resolves some of the fishiness and puts John McCain at the center of the intrigue: three separate Iraqistans--Kurd, Shia, and Sunni with a chunk of Syria as part of the last.

It also explains why the US arms ISIL and then bombs them: when ISIL tries to exceed its agreed territorial limits, the US bombs to enforce the agreement.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185085.html

It makes you wonder if it is really McCain that is running US foreign policy. It would explain a lot of Obama's behavior.

Posted by: JohnH | Aug 23, 2014 5:37:57 PM | 31

Maybe you have a good point about anyone who views the video going on a list, but I don't think so. Depends on where you view the video.

Watching Purported James Foley Video May Trigger Charges in U.K.

British counterterrorism police warned on Wednesday it may be an offense under the country's terror laws to watch a video purportedly showing American journalist James Foley being beheaded by an Islamist fighter. London's Metropolitan Police, which handles terror offenses in the U.K., said it was investigating the footage appearing to show Foley’s killing at the hands of a militant from the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). The voice narrating the video speaks fluent English and the U.K.'s foreign secretary suggested he might be British.

In a statement, the police force said it was "investigating the contents of the video that was posted online in relation to the alleged murder of James Foley." It added: "We would like to remind the public that viewing, downloading or disseminating extremist material within the U.K. may constitute an offence under terrorism legislation."

I think "on a list" is benign compared to the above. Of course, if you have security clearance because you work for one intelligence outfit or another, you obviously have nothing to worry about and you can jack-off to the terror porn all you like.

For me, no thanks, don't want to see it and won't watch it. I won't give them (IS and its creators) the satisfaction. Just the photo of the initial scene and the descriptions of the rest tell me something's odd and it raises flags.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 23, 2014 6:06:51 PM | 32

What makes the film obscene is its use as a casus belli.

No animals were harmed during the making of the film. It is only a matter of time before the audio and video analysts clarify whether a human was harmed and, if so, then whether the human was James Foley. By then it won't matter, the fishy film is already exploited. And that converts it to obscenity.

The absence of James Foley prove nothing. It is easy to make someone disappear who is very much alive with or without his cooperation. Foley looked very cooperative. Wouldn't anyone blow his lines about a million times to delay his own execution?

And to think that none of this would have happened if only his brother John had joined the Peace Corps...

I'm not buying it.

Posted by: SingingSam | Aug 23, 2014 6:12:44 PM | 33

I didn't watch it with the volume on but here is the video on Live Leak that someone posted in the YouTube comment that is not really particularly gory at least compared to other jihadist videos like in Chechnya.

http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/u/u/temp.html?i=bc1_1408481278

Interesting when I post the direct video link it says "Your country(UK) is prohibited from accessing this item!".

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc1_1408481278

Posted by: jack | Aug 23, 2014 6:31:12 PM | 34

Mitchell Prothero:
- More abductions in Syria
- Airstrikes in Iraq won't defeat ISIS

Source:
http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2014/08/22/082214-mitchell-prothero/

Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 23, 2014 6:44:26 PM | 35

Just more peniclitorical fear massaging,and it works,my wife being one;They are evil she said.I said we blow up people to bits,you can't find the heads.They don't answer that.
Propaganda works.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 23, 2014 6:45:19 PM | 36

Take no notice of cold. View the video _ you're already on the list and always have been _ there's only one list .

Posted by: bridger | Aug 23, 2014 7:09:29 PM | 37

@jack #34:

Interesting when I post the direct video link it says "Your country(UK) is prohibited from accessing this item!".

I swear, despite the Patriot Act etc., Britain has become more totalitarian than the US. Since the birth of the Internet (a creation of the US Department of Defense, US industry, and US universities), having free access to any Web site has become part of what it means to be free. Russians, for example, are free in this sense, but the English are not.

I really hope that the Scottish people vote for independence from the satanic UK (sorry to use a favorite term over at the Saker), and that the UK leaves the EU.

Posted by: Demian | Aug 23, 2014 7:10:20 PM | 38

As far as I'm concerned Senor Foley if he is indeed deceased is part of the problem. He is a CIA-hole like our local wannabe comedian imbecile clown, Cold A-hole. He might have a new identity a big bank account somewhere, or they might have actually blown him away and fitted him with concrete shoes and dumped him in the ocean. If he is sleeping with the fishes, Hasta la vista hijo de puta.

Posted by: Fernando | Aug 23, 2014 7:23:31 PM | 39

I'm not picking up the wherefores of Cold N. Holefield's suspicion at #12 that viewing the video is a honey trap. What information can be gleaned from a list of people who looked up a video that is constantly being referred to in international headlines...?

It's not that I don't get that the NSA is in love with their lists and false positives, it's that I can't see what possible demographic would even be singled out there. Anyone care to school me?

Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 23, 2014 10:03:13 PM | 40

Am I the only one that noticed the orange jumpsuit as something out of place in an ISIS camp? Hmmm.... now where would I expect to see prisoners wearing orange jumpsuits? Oh yeah:

http://goo.gl/74Inlh

Posted by: Paveway IV | Aug 23, 2014 10:26:23 PM | 41

Some of you guys are being particularly stupid today, studying, judiciously, the latest pile of steaming crap.

"But does anyone believe Foley is still alive?"
"Why didn't he run?"

It's like discussing the character motivations of fictional characters in the latest Hollywood blockbuster.


Posted by: DM | Aug 23, 2014 10:42:08 PM | 42

@ 41 Paveway IV

My initial reaction when I saw the picture on the news.

Posted by: Yul | Aug 23, 2014 10:43:28 PM | 43

The Chosen 'Trickle Down' Theory -- Explained:

According to skew selection, ant queens (Mil.Gov.Sci.Edu) are neither ruthlessly selfish nor blindly altruistic; they are shrewd investors.

The goal of shrewd investors is not to win the game, but to continue play over evolutionary time. Skew selection describes a set of investment strategies employed by players such as ant queens (Mil.Gov.Sci.Edu) to ***keep the game going***.

First, Mil.Gov.Sci.Edu acquire excess resources— ***more than they need*** for immediate survival and reproduction. Second, these queens invest a portion of their excess resources in personal capital to maintain ***dominant status***. Third, these queens also invest a portion of excess resources in low-quality offspring to gain group capital. Lastly, when investing in group capital, resources are distributed in a ***trickle-down fashion*** to maintain the largest number of diminishing-quality offspring possible, at the lowest possible investment cost.

The trickle-down redistribution allows the shrewd Mil.Gov.Sci.Edu queens to increase group size (safety in numbers) and, at the same time, maintain individual status (safety in hierarchical position). According to skew selection, queens invest in low-quality offspring (sterile workers) to buffer herself and her high-quality offspring from agents of death such as war, famine, pestilence or disease.

In other words, the Queens use the Workers as pawns against the Four Horsemen.

Your take-away? ***************Don't let the Queens set the Agenda 21!********************

(w/ apologies to Deby Cassill; Skew Selection: Nature Favors a Trickle-Down Distribution of Resources in Ants; Journal of Bioeconomics 5: 83–96, 2003)

Nice poem, ColdN...some serious sh*t about to hit, this Sep11 is their 13th anniversary, and The Chosen are big on '13', for 13 original colonies, and our dumb pluck to let them.

Posted by: ChipNikh | Aug 23, 2014 11:16:56 PM | 44

The Information Awareness Office (IAO) was established by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in January 2002 to bring together ... ????

vast billions a year for our all-seeing-eye intelligence system, but we never saw em coming.

It looks like another intelligence failure ~justdrew


Terrorist organization ISIS has been in the news a lot lately for their hostile activities in Iraq and Syria. They've also been very active online, posting propaganda and photos on various social networking sites to try to recruit more members. Frequently, they'll have pictures of themselves in nondescript locations — but even carefully selected images give clues to a real location. Citizen journalists at Bellingcat analyzed a group of these photos, comparing buildings and bridges in the background to images from Google Earth. With very little to go on, they were able to pinpoint the location of a terrorist training camp.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 23, 2014 11:34:00 PM | 45

Nina Byzantina ‏@NinaByzantina 41m
Mysterious forces, self-dropping bombs, & the passive voice: how to write mainstream-media headlines. #Ukraine #Syria pic.twitter.com/VSU7NI7oHx

Posted by: brian | Aug 23, 2014 11:54:10 PM | 46

it seems Jim Foley had been kidnapped back in 2011 in Libya: then he was looking forward to NATO attacks on Tripoli and the overthrow of Gadafi :
.....
James Foley was a key propagandist in sparking the U.S. air invasion of Libya, in 2011. The proof is here. Believe it or not, it was through his kidnapping then ALSO... part of it spent on a posh resort island! Just about a year after his 'release' from that, he's kidnapped AGAIN! This time, he's calling us to attack Assad... apparently.
There seems to be plenty of evidence, that we have NOT been told the truth about Foley's life at all - AND, perhaps not surprisingly, that he works for the CIA... under "press" cover. Does he have a second, secret life that is udeful for these warmongering exercises?
The Corporate Media skunked AGAIN. Or are they the skunks? The 'beheading of James Foley, 'reporter', revealed for what it really is - another cheezy propaganda FAKE meant to somehow justify a new mindless war against Syria. AGAIN!
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f6a_1408710360#zSsYZJ0Vcpps0jsF.99

Posted by: brian | Aug 23, 2014 11:59:33 PM | 47

one reason to block such a beheading video is so nooone can closely examine it

Posted by: brian | Aug 24, 2014 12:01:05 AM | 48

@3
'The Pentagon verified the 'video' as real'

this only confirms its a real video...not that what it portrays is real
and since this is the pentagon talking! they are affirming it is not real

Posted by: brian | Aug 24, 2014 12:08:50 AM | 49

@32
'British counterterrorism police warned on Wednesday it may be an offense under the country's terror laws to watch a video purportedly showing American journalist James Foley being beheaded by an Islamist fighter'

we cant have people seeing it and forming independent opinions!

Posted by: brian | Aug 24, 2014 12:11:08 AM | 50

basic 1984..keep the population terrified with recurring threats from 'terrorists'

Posted by: brian | Aug 24, 2014 12:14:53 AM | 51

@28 Alexno, @27 HJL was referring to MH17, not Aleria Air. NH must have set the Sep date for black box findings, hoping Ukie situation would be resolved. No resolutionm, no 'honest' report.

So many things wrong with Foley video, dont know where to begin. I call fake as well.

Posted by: Thumper | Aug 24, 2014 1:54:22 AM | 52

Posted by: brian | Aug 24, 2014 12:14:53 AM | 51

... or to paraphrase Trotter in Animal Farm:
"All animals are equal, but (Pigs) are more equal than others."

Welcome to the 21st Century and the Fake War on Terror...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 24, 2014 2:07:21 AM | 53

I didn't need to watch Obama (& BBC's) Foley video. Before I had time to find its URL, Obama, Tony Abbott, and Cameron had warned their respective electorates that if we don't endorse an extra-judicial Star Chamber (full of unqualified, ignorant, unaccountable right-wing cranks, drama queens, and ideologues), the same thing could happen in USA, Oz and UK - unless we chuck the presumption of innocence out with the bathos water.

That (coordinated) announcement gave the Foley video a stench worse than any dead fish.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 24, 2014 2:32:49 AM | 54


That (coordinated) announcement gave the Foley video a stench worse than any dead fish.

Actually, that's a very good point. They also seem to be getting careless.

Maybe this coordinated 5-Eyes crap will become so bleeding obvious that even some journos will have a hard time ignoring it.

Posted by: DM | Aug 24, 2014 2:51:21 AM | 55

41/43 Abu Ghraib, too

And that was the precedent, when Obama blocked the release of the photographs, on the grounds they would cause "damage".

To call the symbolism of the James Foley video "brutal" but not look into the mirror and see your own face asks for a lot of amnesia.

To talk of public beheadings without talking of Saudi Arabia is very selective perception also.

The videotaped beheading of American journalist James Foley on Tuesday August 19th has shocked the American public even though there has been thousands of beheadings by Islamist jihadists around the world. Last week at the Annual International Association for Identification (Crime Scene) Conference I presented a three hour lecture titled Beheading Epidemic and it was not nearly enough time to cover the forensic and investigation aspects of this widespread global phenomenon.

There are videos of Saudi executions all over the net - not banned by Western governments. this here is amnesty international.

The current surge in executions in Saudi Arabia is continuing unabated with another beheading scheduled for Monday 25 August, said Amnesty International today. The planned beheading of Hajras al-Qurey will be the 23rd execution in the last three weeks -- although more could take place on Saturday and Sunday. Earlier this week the organisation called on the Kingdom to halt all executions after four members of the same family were beheaded for “receiving drugs”. “The execution of people accused of petty crimes and on the basis of ‘confessions’ extracted through torture has become shamefully common in Saudi Arabia. It is absolutely shocking to witness the Kingdom’s authorities callous disregard to fundamental human rights,” said Said Boumedouha, Deputy Director of Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Programme. “The use of the death penalty in Saudi Arabia is so far removed from any kind of legal parameters that it is almost hard to believe.”

The James Foley video probably was meant as a recruitment video and a political message to the Western public (British accent) to leave ISIS alone. The family said they got an e-mail a week before the video notifying them of Foley's death. So governments knew what would be coming.

European governments seem to have paid for the release of their journalists, the US seems to have refused. All Foley had left was propaganda value. Sometimes it is as simple as that.

IS as described by Western security services is not religiously driven. It simply is not. You don't employ secular military if you are.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 24, 2014 3:43:41 AM | 56

It does not sound as if official US policy will go for more engagement in Iraq, by the way.

Iraq’s survival, including its ability to beat IS, depends on Iraqis rising above their differences, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden wrote yesterday in an op-ed in the Washington Post. He and Obama are encouraged by signs of Iraqi leaders recognizing the need to end the deadlock, he said.

Doing so would require acknowledging that, in opposing Islamic State, the U.S. and Sunni Arabs have a common interest with traditional foes such as Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Hezbollah, which the U.S., the European Union and Israel consider a terrorist organization.

The officials say the alternative of expanding U.S. military action in Iraq and Syria, perhaps with advisers and combat troops to reinforce the depleted and demoralized Iraqi army, would risk embroiling the U.S. in another Mideast war it can’t win.

It sounds more like Saudi Arabia/Israel might have to accept US detente with Iran.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 24, 2014 3:57:22 AM | 57

#56

Yes, there's been this email (vanity fair seems like an appropriate source for this kind of BS, so I picked this one as a link ;-)).

And in this Email, the raving madmen of ISIS tell the west to "please come here and fight us on the ground". Veeeeeerrry reluctantly, some US warmongers are giving up their proverbial dislike of military intervention and there have been considerations to actually fulfill isis' wish and go on an humanitarian intervention tour.

Here's what ISIS want:

Now you return to bomb the Muslims of Iraq once again, this time resorting to Arial attacks and “proxy armies”, all the while cowardly shying away from a face-to-face confrontation!

"Yo, face-to-face intervention, you dishonorable yankee cowards. You're too chicken to punish us crazy evil madmen :-p"

So crazy these guys, you couldn't make it up.

Posted by: radiator | Aug 24, 2014 4:31:25 AM | 58

58) This here is the complete e-mail as released by Global Post

You do not spare our weak, elderly, women or children so we will NOT spare yours!

You and your citizens will pay the price of your bombings!

Sounds more like "we will come for you".

Posted by: somebody | Aug 24, 2014 5:06:16 AM | 59

sure ;-)

Posted by: radiator | Aug 24, 2014 5:41:04 AM | 60

somebody@56
This is the quote that struck me from your article:

Instead, military analysts suggest targeting their supply convoys, which travel by road through the desert. The convoys use artillery, tanks and Humvees in big convoys so would be easy to identify.

That's why I think the IS is entirely a false flag outfit. They could be easily destroyed by US drones if they weren't serving a "useful" purpose.

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 24, 2014 5:52:10 AM | 61

The Yinon Plan, a Multi-polar World, and How to Handle Hoaxes

From some comments by Jsore on a previous thread:

Looks like someone was monitoring this site and felt that the bourgeois fake left needed some backup.

So, if the "Left" in the US and the rest of the Western world had - at the time - actually gotten behind the idea of believing their own eyes, the laws of physics etc etc and forced the issue of investigating the IMPOSSIBLE farce that was all things officially 9/11 - ESPECIALLY documented Israeli/neocon involvement - then the MAYBE we wouldn't be where we are now.

BUT NOOOOOOOOO..

Mr. Expert on all things Fake-Left Malooga tells us not to worry about deciphering whether things are real or not: hey, it's ONLY REALITY, right? Holy eff...

ORRRRR, should we look at the nearing realization of the balkanization of the ME - a plan I hope I don't need to remind everyone goes back 30+ years - as proof that, hmmmm, maybe these incompetent Zionist idiots actually DO KNOW how to plan and put said plans into action, huh?...

Yes, contrary to your respondent's claim IT CERTAINLY MOST DEFINITELY MATTERS if what we are being told is actually real/true or not. I understand that this goes against certain analysts' grain because they have been brainwashed into thinking everything must be so very complex and that there always exists a need to consider every different situational angle - I was there myself at one point long ago - but one has to stop even HUMORING their narratives at some point so that he/she will STOP BELIEVING them BEFORE they start crafting them.


Alright, I have to confess that Jsore called it right. My job (under deep cover, of course) has been to monitor this site for AIPAC and step in to derail conversation when it got too close to Israeli/neocon involvement. People who have read my work here over the last ten years already know this, but for you newbies, sadly Jsore has outed me. How shall I ever be able to do my job effectively again? I welcome any and all suggestions.

Anyway, I get your point: The world is simple, and anyone who says it is complex is a fool or Sayanim.

It must be a nice feeling to have the complete assurance that Jsore does in understanding how the world works, which, according to his epistemology, as he has told us involves “ US subservience to Zionism/Israel .” Anyone who doubts this is of course repeatedly bludgeoned with the “Clean Break/Yinon Plan” -- as if by now anyone has NOT heard of it.

Other discourses, of course, such as environmental destruction, resource depletion, the re-colonization of Africa, the rapid extinction of life species, the extermination of the indigenous of the world, the move towards global multi-polarity, capitalism killing the planet, or class struggle, either do not exist, or are simply not worthy of mention in the face of the totalizing epistemology of the all-powerful necrotizing Zionist threat to its neighbors.

But, what about the relationship Thierry Meyssan, no slouch when it comes to 9-11, recently described between Zionism and the US? Presenting more historic evidence than Jsore has, Meyssan traces the concept of Zionism, not to a Jew, but to a Christian dispensationalist, Reverend William E. Blackstone, following longtime British Calvinist thought -- and states that the project was revived, including the creation of Israel in Palestine, by British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli in 1878 as an Anglo-Saxon imperialist project for re-dividing the world at the time. In other words, Israel is a FOB of the Anglo/American empire.

Or what about those who believe that the ruling classes of Britain, the US and Israel are one, their ruling classes and Jews intermarried as they are, and that there is no point in making a distinction between them -- like the kid’s joke of who really rules the body, the head or the asshole.

Are these theories wrong, Jsore? Are they just more Zionist lies? We desperately need to know.

Moreover, the larger problem arises when one asks Jsore to delve further into the implications of his theories, beyond merely drowning us with dozens of posts of complete hysteria and cataracts of CAPITAL LETTERS.

Jsore, if Israel is the undisputed boss of the US, is it also, in your view, the undisputed boss of Britain, France, and many other countries -- and if so, which ones? Are not the Rothschilds, who own Israel, the boss of the entire world through their control of International banking worldwide, in your view?

Is this power all powerful? Can they be resisted? If so, how, in your opinion?

You seem very concerned about the Yinon plan. If it is 30 years old, as you concede, why has it taken Israel so long to make any visible progress towards its achievement?

Being the knowledgeable student of International Relations and History that you are, can you enlighten us as to whether or not other nations have ever drawn up expansive plans, and if so, whether they have all succeeded, or whether some of them have been thwarted?

Do you believe that other nations -- particularly China and Russia, and to a lesser extent, the other BRICS -- are aware of this plan? What, in your view, is their posture towards it? Are they in favor of it or not? Could they be instrumental in stopping the plan, or does the entire load rest upon us, the readers of your writings?

If Israel, as you insist, is capable of long-term planning, are not other nations? Could not the long-term plans of other nations oppose Israel’s long-term plans, leading to a dialectic between them?

Secondly, You have repeatedly castigated bevin and I for believing that the uni-polar empire is slowly becoming a multi-polar world. Do you have proof of your contention that this is not slowly happening? (Figures for % of global GDP, weaponry dominance, % of global debt, # of allies, etc. and statistics relating to control of key international institutions -- BIS, WB, IMF, etc. would be welcome. Heck, even an anecdote would bolster your argument at this point.)

Is the world’s principal theoretician of World System Theory, Immanuel Wallerstein, a fool for his article, “The Consequences of US Decline,” where he speaks of the coming multi-polar world?

What do you think of Andrew Korybko’s recent two-part article in Oriental Review, “Washington’s Nightmare Comes True: The Russian-Chinese Strategic Partnership Goes Global?”

I thank you in advance for sharing your opinions with us on these important topics so that the rest of us, who are orders of magnitude slower than you, can at least BEGIN to engage with you.

Third, you seem to be under some sort of misapprehension that I believe the official conspiracy theory (OCT, as David Ray Griffin refers to it) of 9-11. I don’t. Never did, from day one, although that is a different story. What I do believe is that the 9-11 truth movement has been so infiltrated with disinformation agents, and is so busy arguing over exactly what did happen -- which is irrelevant once you reject the OCT -- that it has paid but scant attention to opposing the “War on Terror” project of Imperialist mobilization over the past decade, which is a far more important task. Indeed, one would be hard pressed to find any truther website which was more concerned with stopping that mobilization than with whether holograms or space weapons were used. I’m not referring to academic journals, like “The Journal of 9-11 Studies” in this critique, obviously.

By the way, since 9-11 is so important to you, what is your theory of what happened? Did the Jewish Zionists do it, as Christopher Bollyn writes, or were a bunch of non-Jews key, as Kevin Ryan has recently cogently written about? Or do you have your own theory which puts these two dedicated 9-11 researchers to shame? We are all curious to know what you think happened on this crucial event since, according to you, it is essential to our understanding the world and “where we are now.”

Fourth, you seem very disturbed that I said that whether the beheading was real or not was unimportant. Clearly, I was showing that I was some sort of evil liberal left-gatekeeper out to stealthily mislead the unwitting naifs who congregate here. Here, I do apologize for not being clear enough in my reasoning. It was a quick one-off sentence on a blog made carelessly. I neglected to preface that I have studied all of the major false flag/hoax type events over the past decade, and their aftermaths. And my view, again, is similar to the one I have about 9-11: Yes, it is important to get those who are unaware of the tactics of these events to recognize them -- BUT, once that task has been accomplished, it is then more important to mobilize and oppose whatever the powers that be are attempting to push through, rather than arguing over the details of the hoax.

The response to the Syrian gas attacks of last year represented a successful example of resistance, in my opinion. Many people quickly got together on the web and pooled their work, including Noirette and Petri Krohn here, and debunked the official story. But, once the story was debunked, it was more important to stop the US attack on Syria than to try to figure out every last detail of what actually did happen. Whether the public outcry helped stop the war or not, I do not know. But I can say that in talking to my Congressman and Senators offices, they were all overwhelmed by the response, which they uniformly described as “unprecedented.”

Finally, I really have no idea why you persist in being so defensive and oppositional. I know that I, and I believe bevin too (though I shouldn’t speak for someone I don’t know, even if we do receive our paychecks from the same liberal synagogue), agree with most of what you say. So what are we fighting about? I will mention for the last time that your tone will never convince anybody, but only drive them away. Is that your purpose? Was it a similar hectoring and patronizing presence that finally woke you up? b has already warned you once. I would hate to see you be banned from here and completely lose the opportunity to share your insights with us. I’ve seen too many valuable posters banned over the years, and I mourn their loss here. But I also know that b has put a ton of work into this blog for a full decade and that he will not allow one person to persist in disrupting things.

This is the second time I have asked you some clarifying questions. Last time you ignored me. If you persist in not answering questions which bear upon your arguments, one might conclude that you are more focused on disruption than on an informed exchange of ideas.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 24, 2014 6:00:41 AM | 62

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 24, 2014 5:52:10 AM | 61

I would say it is complex. This is an Austrian interview with a Kurdish spokesman for a Kurdish Iranian opposition group which started to fight in Iraq on the Kurdish side against IS in a very uneasy non coalition with Iranians. He claims that the IS coalition they were fighting against have decisive support in the Sunni population and that Iran put pressure on them to withdraw. He also claims that Iran is not that worried about ISIS just tries to maximize Iranian influence in Iraq.

The beheading video and e-mail are classical Al Qeida, asking for intervention and a new war against terror as self-defeative act and recruiting tool. I don't think the Obama administration want to go there just every Republican is using it for maximum political embarrassement.

It is quite likely the US via Turkey/Quatar enabled ISIS as Al Nusra as other groups, I don't think they are in control any longer.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 24, 2014 6:38:30 AM | 63

."...f America attacks ISIS within Syria, some argue that the United States should build a coalition against ISIS that includes regional countries such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Jordan that can contribute air power, similar to what occurred during the air operations over Libya in 2011. That may not happen due to regional politics such as GCC discord and boosting sectarian antagonism and, specifically, because these states do not want to antagonize ISIS fighters who may target them more directly during and after air attacks by the America. Currently, these states are upping their homeland security and monitoring those who may be susceptible to ISIS’ recruitment strategies. They want America to work with other European allies in this matter because of their lack of resolve on solving the Syrian issue in the first place…"

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2014/08/24/Is-it-time-for-air-strikes-on-ISIS-in-Syria-.html

That is funny this guy wants a coalition of the very actors who sponsors, trains and finances ISIL to fight ISIL. Also the author of this piece talks about taking out ISIL oil fields and govt. centers etc. within syria similar to the tactics used by israel against gaza. Last I looked that infrastructure belongs to assad and the syrian people. This is charade of attacking ISIL in syria is nothing but a ruse to try and undermine assad. I just know russia, china and Iran would have something to say about that but I am having a hard time finding anything current. Maybe they are keeping their powder dry or maybe they know all the attack isil in syria is just western blather and tomfoolery.

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 6:58:24 AM | 64

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 6:58:24 AM | 64

As posted in the Ukraine thread - Iranian opposition take from 2009

The crux of the US policy dilemma: They support radical Islam as assets to destabilize Russia and China even when radical Islam turns against US interests.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 24, 2014 7:05:25 AM | 65

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 6:58:24 AM | 64

I guess the US has lost some allies on the way.

The Saudi monarch followed this up last Friday with a speech whose bluntness was atypical of the man. "Let the entire world know," he proclaimed "that the people and government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia stood and still stand today with our brothers in Egypt against terrorism, extremism and sedition, and against whomever is trying to interfere in Egypt's internal affairs." This was unusual, not only because Abdullah was aiming his words at his other ally, the United States, and the Gulf state's regional rival Qatar, whom he accused of "fanning the fire of sedition and promoting terrorism, which they claim to be fighting". It was rare because the monarch, who prefers behind the scenes diplomacy, was so explicit.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 24, 2014 7:09:41 AM | 66

What struck me about the man in black shown in that video is that he held the knife like as amateur. Neither knife fighters nor meat cutters would hold the knife that way. Even a normal adult using a steak knife at dinner wouldn't grip it like that -- one does seen young children gripping a knife in their fists that way.

Posted by: ToivoS | Aug 24, 2014 7:12:47 AM | 67

@65 somebody

I don't think Isil has turned against the west. IISIL is the west's created and paid for propaganda-terror apparatus strawman du jour. Just ask John McCain....though he will deny his involvement on behalf of the US govt....

http://www.voltairenet.org/article185085.html

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 7:29:47 AM | 68

OT but israel destroy a whole flat house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjUiTz8_-OU

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 24, 2014 7:31:11 AM | 69

brian @49

you forgot the rest of what I said in #3

"They did not verify the beheading as real
weasel wording- misdirection"

Posted by: Penny | Aug 24, 2014 7:46:20 AM | 70

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 7:29:47 AM | 68

It does not work that way. You can rent people but not buy them.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 24, 2014 7:57:58 AM | 71

Malooga: "If it is 30 years old, as you concede, why has it taken Israel so long to make any visible progress towards its achievement?"

Realizing your questioning is for J Sorrentine,but, it's not a question that will put Sorrentine or anyone to shame. If that is your intent?

Would you really expect any one nation to overtake vast swathes of land/resources overnight- what with the problematic people being present and all.

Exception in recent history- Where Russia got Crimea back- but then the people wanted to be Russian,they were happy to go back home, in essence. (no problematic people)

Would one undertake land grabbing so blatantly?- Israel has expanded stealthily for a heck of a long time now- never claiming they are taking land for expansion rather presenting every ruse under the sun as justification.

We are watching the ME being reshaped- has any one leader just out and out said, well were taking this land and all it's resources....
because we are redrawing the borders to our knew improved liking?
How long as this been going on present day? As long as I can recall.

But, it's not land/resource/geopolitical machinations it's because of terrorism- fighting terrorism or terrorists or saddam's nukes or Iranian nukes- whatever

And terrorism is such a good recruiting tool, right?
Will people fight and die to fight terrorism or for multinational profits and geopolitical gains- which agenda would invite more blind patriotism for god and country?

Every excuse possible, but, not to take land or redraw borders
That is all presented as happenstance.
All this and more makes your challenge sort of weak

Posted by: Penny | Aug 24, 2014 8:12:41 AM | 72

@71 somebody

You go ahead believe that but I believe rent or buy argument is just semantics. The west still created ISIL. Just like it created the mujahadeen back in the 80's, just like the west created the kiev junta in Ukraine who are terrorizing the ethnic russians in east ukraine. West Proxy tactics are west proxy tactics. Regardless of rent or buy, western financing created ISIL and western money supports ISIL.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article185085.html

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 8:36:02 AM | 73

73) Yep, and people can be bought or rented with Gulf money but still attack Western interest - see numerous examples from 9/11 to Afghanistan to Benghazi.

Patrick Cockburn

In fact, the idea that the only jihadis to be worried about are those with the official blessing of al-Qa'ida is naïve and self-deceiving. It ignores the fact, for instance, that ISIS has been criticized by the al-Qa'ida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri for its excessive violence and sectarianism. After talking to a range of Syrian jihadi rebels not directly affiliated with al-Qa'ida in southeast Turkey earlier this year, a source told me that "without exception they all expressed enthusiasm for the 9/11 attacks and hoped the same thing would happen in Europe as well as the US"

Jihadi groups ideologically close to al-Qa'ida have been relabeled as moderate if their actions are deemed supportive of US policy aims. In Syria, the Americans backed a plan by Saudi Arabia to build up a "Southern Front" based in Jordan that would be hostile to the Assad government in Damascus, and simultaneously hostile to al-Qa'ida-type rebels in the north and east. The powerful but supposedly moderate Yarmouk Brigade, reportedly the planned recipient of anti-aircraft missiles from Saudi Arabia, was intended to be the leading element in this new formation. But numerous videos show that the Yarmouk Brigade has frequently fought in collaboration with JAN, the official al-Qa'ida affiliate. Since it was likely that, in the midst of battle, these two groups would share their munitions, Washington was effectively allowing advanced weaponry to be handed over to its deadliest enemy. Iraqi officials confirm that they have captured sophisticated arms from ISIS fighters in Iraq that were originally supplied by outside powers to forces considered to be anti-al-Qa'ida in Syria.

IS now has the weapons, the oil, the taxation/extortion racket. Why should they listen to anybody telling them what to do?

Posted by: somebody | Aug 24, 2014 8:56:46 AM | 74

@74 somebody

Did you read this? Why are you continuing to make excuses for this west created propaganda-terrorist-strawman apparatus called IS,ISIS,ISIL,AL QAEDA or whatever other moniker the west wants to call their propaganda-terrorist-strawman? Am I supposed to forgive or let the west off the hook because "supposedly" their propaganda-terrorist-strawman frakenstein,which is ISIL, is no longer taking orders from them? Surely you jest.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185085.html

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 9:09:38 AM | 75

@ 62: " one might conclude that you are more focused on disruption than on an informed exchange of ideas."

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 24, 2014 6:00:41 AM | 62

Excellent posting. I think many here would agree with the entire statement.

Posted by: ben | Aug 24, 2014 10:14:05 AM | 76

The question b raises leads to this? Why now? Why release this psy-op video at this time? Cui bono? 
 What might they have wanted to distract attention from?

 Ferguson?

Posted by: Dave | Aug 24, 2014 10:14:33 AM | 77

there have been considerations to actually fulfill isis' wish and go on an humanitarian intervention tour.

Well, if they oblige IS, let's hope they have the decency to paint and/or cloak all the equipment in white like Russia's done with its "humanitarian intervention tour." You can't let the Rooskies show you up.

A theme song, perhaps. The Rolling Stones Painted Black.

I See a Tan Tank And I Want It Painted White

I See a Silver Fighter Jet And I Wanted It Painted White

I See a Stainless Steel Nuclear Missile And I wanted It Painted White

No Colors Anymore I Want Them To Turn White

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 24, 2014 10:17:43 AM | 78

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 9:09:38 AM | 75

I don't think the dark arts of politics are restricted to the "West".
ISIS may be an artificial creation but it is filled with very real very local blood and treasure. And if you look for the Cui Bono, the US trying to pivot to Asia are not on that list. Nor is it Saudi Arabia trying to fight back Iranian influence and now being threatened by a common enemy.

view from the Indian "neo-middle-class"

It may well be a conflict between the Petro-Economies of the region that has triggerred the war. America-controlled Iraq was a weak link that got occupied by the group that proclaims that they are holier than the Saudis. Faced with a conflict that is fast going out of control, Saudi Arabia may well lose control over the Wahabi Sunni school of thought, with the likes of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi trying to hijack that space. Money they may not have, but they have succeeded in posing a legitimate threat. They have laid claim to the saudi control over the Wahabi sect.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 24, 2014 10:32:05 AM | 79

@ Maloooga

As it appears your technique is to inundate other posters with seemingly never-ending holistic histories of the world in every single one of your posts so that it would require people to have to spend an entire day to adequately respond to your gatekeeping nonsense, I will attempt to show you how to cut down on thread space. Seriously, IMO, you're writing is not good or entertaining enough to take up such space all the time and we already have ONE bevin. We need ANOTHER one who writes even LONGER bourgeois left diatribes? Wow.

1) I've already responded to why I think that Zionists should indeed be considered a dominant force is US politics/governance: it's because it's an empirical/observable fact. They have told/shown us their power, their players and their plans. Yet, instead of somehow ever factoring all of this into any considerations of US power we're consistently told that it makes more sense to engage in SUPPOSITION about how other factors - much less easily observed/shown - are REALLY the factors at play. Just trying to be empirical even though your ilk tries its damnedest to make it NOT seem rational/logical.

2) 30 years is NOT very long considering that Israel has only been a country for 60+ and wasn't as strong of an ally with the US for a large part of that time. Oh well, there goes that main part of your nonsense. The Zionists are very powerful but NOT omniscient as you can see in their later shenanigans that they realized that 9/11 was probably overkill and that they didn't need to really put on such a huge show. Too dangerous and wasteful.

3) I am not going to address how Meyssan's theories have NO APPLICABILITY to today's Zionism in the US other than being historically curious. For example, I'm sure historical tracings of the precursors to the Nazi party throughout German history going back centuries would have been very interesting too but equally fruitless in helping us really describe the specific machinations of that group and what it did during it's existence.

4) I am NOT going to go through an entire discussion of 9/11 with you but I must point out again, the length of time that it takes you to respond and then the length with which you do finally respond - all of the extraneous topics, the plethora of references, etc - bespeaks of a person who is trying to cow people with their supposed erudition but who rather comes across as someone who is busily educating themselves online and in-between posts. There are A LOT of smart and well-read people here but for some reason you think that we need the education. No thanks dude just respond to the post topic.

5) You end by insinuating that by not answering each of your tome-posts that I am basically a troll or hasbarist and THEN you effing wonder why I don't usually waste my time responding to you? Why I have a beef with you?

In your first response to me on MOA you stated that I believed that "100 Joos ruled the world" and I'm supposed to NOT think that you are effing dick? Oh I get it, you're also passive/aggressive like your friend bevin: we have to wholly accept each of your 3,000 word tome-posts and then ALSO accept/respond - i.e., spend our whole effing day - your 3,000 word tome-rebuttals or else be labeled a troll/hasbarist?

Look, people don't respond to other people here all the time you self-important dbag so quit your whining. Christ, I'd love to have all the effing time that you seemingly have to try and impress us but I don't want to spend it re-reading posts - like yours - that could have been written in 2004 on sites like DKOS.

I already had these debates that you seem to be first discovering now years ago and so did many here - btw, I really like how you name-dropped MOA posters in your post to show us how much you care about the site as well, just great man - so just quit beating us over the head with your trite observations that we've all heard before.

Those are SOME of my problems with your posts. I could go on but look...I've already started to pull a Malooga.

As another poster suggested maybe you should get your own blog. Think about it.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 24, 2014 10:36:14 AM | 80

basic 1984..keep the population terrified with recurring threats from 'terrorists'

Posted by: brian | Aug 24, 2014 12:14:53 AM | 51

Regardless of whether the video is fake or real, what is being done in the name of IS across the Levant is very real. It's not a threat, it's a promise kept, so it's silly to downplay the very real suffering being meted out by the hands of these most cynical and barbarous butchers. It's a war between Cold Evil and Hot Evil. It was always inevitable. Will it be Hot Evil's last stand before Cold Evil encompasses all with Full Spectrum Dominance, or will Cold Evil succumb to a festering longing for a return to the personal brutality of the Hot Evil of days of yore? We'll see.

Cold Evil: Technology and Modern Ethics

Unfortunately, despite the unprecedented perils it spawns, this “grey eminence,” this cold evil, so intrinsic to the technosphere with its systemic exploitation of nature, culture, and societies goes virtually unrecognized. Our society continues to be deeply concerned about the remaining “evils” brought to us by the natural sphere (e.g.., floods and tornadoes) and nearly obsessed with the acts of personal hot evil endemic to the social sphere. We have utterly failed, however, to register the appropriate recognition and abhorrence of this new form of institutional evil produced by and through the technological system. Our churches, moral leaders, and teachers rarely recognize or speak out against the cold evil that has impersonally devastated so many lives and destroyed and disfigured so much of creation. The tragic result of this failure is that cold evil flourishes, causing ever greater ecocide and genocide even as it remains unnamed and unaddressed.

In his provocative book Faces of the Enemy, psychologist Sam Keen quotes a pilot who served in Vietnam and who directly experienced “the pilot’s dilemma.” “I was OK so long as I was conducting high altitude missions, but when I had to come in and strafe and I could see the faces of the people I was killing, I got very disturbed.” Technological distance creates the faceless quality so emblematic of cold evil. Computer scientist and author Joseph Weizenbaum noted this distancing and the ethical task it creates when he critiqued a massive bombing strategy outlined by a Department of Defense science panel during the Vietnam war:

These men were able to give the counsel they gave because they were operating at an enormous psychological distance from the people who would be maimed and killed by the weapons systems that would result from the ideas they communicated to their sponsors. The lesson, therefore, is that the scientist and technologist must, by acts of will and imagination, actively strive to reduce such psychological distances, to counter the forces that tend to remove him from the consequences of his actions. (“Closing the Distance” in Visions of Technology: A Century of Vital Debate About Machines, Systems and the Human World, ed. Richard Rhodes)

Needless to say, our military scientists and technologists have yet to demonstrate the “acts of will and imagination” called for by Weizenbaum to breach psychological distancing. Far from it. During the Persian Gulf War enemy troops and houses were viewed by pilots as so many blips on computer screens, blips which disappeared after a “hit”—a kind of desert Nintendo. Television stations such as CNN seemed particularly enamored with the images of the computer-generated “hits.” It was not until long after the war that we learned about significant human “collateral damage” caused by the weapons’ surprisingly large margin of error.

Nuclear war perhaps best exemplifies the facelessness and technological distancing that confounds traditional ethics and creates the cold-evil scenario. The nuclear annihilation of much of the human race is designed to take place thousands of miles away, through aptly named inter-continental ballistic missiles. These weapons, capable of destroying life as we know it, are to be launched half a world away from the intended targets. To compound the physical and psychic distancing and further deflect responsibility, the missiles will not even be launched by humans but rather by technology—computers programmed to assess the threat and make the “cold” launch decision.

More at link and it's a great read.

Maybe these IS execution videos are a final synthesis of Hot and Cold Evil — closing the gap on technological distancing with the advent of virtual reality and IS is a prototype of sorts.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 24, 2014 10:36:20 AM | 81

@Demian

ISP provider like Virgin that I use that is one of the biggest in the UK block certain websites on issues of copyright like FilesTube search engine but so far I am not aware of any overt political websites or blogs being shut down although I don't generally look at such sites.

I know Google does not list some website/blogs in its search result on issue of copyright.

The except is libraries and colleges/universities that have there own web filtering system for over a decade since I last used them.

Posted by: jack | Aug 24, 2014 10:45:23 AM | 82

@79

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130715/11210223804/anti-propaganda-ban-repealed-freeing-state-dept-to-direct-its-broadcasting-arm-american-citizens.shtml

You should read the above link. Do you not understand that the alleged "beheading" even if by slimmest of chance it it is legit it is being used by the west as harmonious propaganda by msm to start a war in syria to try and unseat assad who is aligned with Russia, China and Iran? ISIS was created by the US, UK,Turkey, Saudi Arabia,United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Jordan for that exact purpose, to destabilise Syria and to reduce Russian,Chinese and Iranian influence in the ME. Its not hard to understand.

Obama says in January 2013 that Isil were the bush league of terrorist and 8 months later they are the ultimate terrorist group. Where was all the WOT anti terror apparatus? The excuse that the US government, cia, nsa, fbi, mi6, interpol and all the other black op anti terror agencies dropped the ball again just does not hold water. You mean to suggest that all the anti terror alphabet agencies could not recognise the ISIL build up to the alleged ultimate apocalyptic global terror army?So the idea that the west was bumbling and stumbling while reading My Pet Goat ala 9/11 is not in any fashion credible in my view.

The fact that as of July 2013, due to the repeal of the anti propaganda act, the US State Department is now nothing more than a propaganda megaphone aimed at the American people should cause you to pause and say this west created and financed ISIL "threat" is bogus.

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 11:06:52 AM | 83

@83 continued

In addition ISIL is bogus in the sense that it has not naturally metasticized into this ultimate threat naturally but that it was and still is western backed. ISIL. will create all the necessary havoc that its west back handlers instruct it to do. ISIL is part of the west's black op propaganda-terror campaign against western civilian populations to keep tbem in line and supporting the resource and territory wars.

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 11:25:27 AM | 84

Posted by: really | Aug 24, 2014 11:06:52 AM | 83

Why should the US who did not intervene on the Chemical Warfare pretext handed to them last year intervene now on a beheading that has happened to US citizens before?

With perpetrators from Britain?

Another factor is the Islamic State's demographics: Compared with other jihadist groups, fighters with the Islamic State skew disproportionately young and Western. Peter Neumann, director of the International Center for the Study of Radicalization, told The Post that many of the Western fighters who carry out these executions have probably watched videos of beheadings and other acts of extreme violence online before joining extremist groups. Notably, the man who appears in the video with Foley has a distinct British accent.

Perpetrators from Britain planning to retire in Qatar or Kuweit?

The men were reported to be ‘interested in money’ from the start of the kidnap ordeal, even bragging to prisoners about how much they were making. A security source revealed last night that £24 million was paid by at least four European countries for the release of 11 hostages last year. British and US hostages were seen as being in a ‘different category,’ he said – so demands for an £80 million ransom on Foley were set deliberately high as a provocation. It has also emerged that: • Security services believe they are close to identifying the British militants who executed Foley. • The East Londoners formed a specialist kidnap gang, operating in Syria for up to two years. • They are thought to have possibly been involved in the seizure of several Westerners, including Foley. • Their leader was not ‘John’, the left-handed man wielding the knife in the horrific video of Foley’s death, but ‘George’, who goes under the nom-de-guerre of Abu Muhareb (‘Fighter’). • One former hostage described them as ‘sadistic psychopaths’, regularly handing out brutal ‘punishments’ that included the use of Tasers on hands and bodies. • They were so vicious that at one stage they were stopped from guarding hostages by IS. • IS claims it has ‘sleepers’ already in position in the UK and US, ready to strike at any time.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 24, 2014 11:26:49 AM | 85

IS claims it has ‘sleepers’ already in position in the UK and US, ready to strike at any time.

Dirty Bombs, They Do Not Play
A Nuclear Payload Is On The Way

Atlanta, Chicago, New York or L.A.
So Many From Which To Choose
Boston, Seattle or San Francisco
Either Way We All Lose

The Catastrophe's Been Telegraphed
Just Like 9/11
Public Officials Are Dropping Hints
Amidst The Spate Of Graphic Beheadings

So Be Prepared But Not Alarmed
The Masses Will Be Shattered & Scattered
Maybe Even Football Season Will Be Postponed
A Dirty Bomb Ensures It Won't Matter

IS Can Do So Many Things
A Jack Of All Hot Evil Trades
The Apathy Exhibited For So Many Years
Is Returning To Haunt In Spades

So Open The Barn Door & Let The Horses Free
Even Though They've Long Left The House
Appreciate The Small Things In Life
Because Now Is Not The Time To Grouse

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 24, 2014 12:04:33 PM | 86

From somebody's link:

Perpetrators from Britain planning to retire in Qatar or Kuwait.The men were reported to be ‘interested in money’ from the start of the kidnap ordeal, even bragging to prisoners about how much they were making. A security source revealed last night that £24 million was paid by at least four European countries for the release of 11 hostages last year. British and US hostages were seen as being in a ‘different category,’ he said – so demands for an £80 million ransom on Foley were set deliberately high as a provocation.

Reminds me of the French movie Rapt. A pretty decent movie — check it out when you get a chance.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 24, 2014 12:18:43 PM | 87

Just think what would have happened when the US had attacked Syria in august/september 2013. It would have severely weakened the Assad government and have benefitted ISIS. Perhaps ISIS was able to topple Assad.
See the intervention in Libya 2011 & 2012. And the horrible mess in Libya right now. But more unrest in Syria also would have caused more unrest in Jordan & in Palestine. No, not attacking Syria still was the best solution.

Remember that the neocons & John Kerry WANTED a war against Syria. But the joint chiefs of the army (General Dempsey) and the intelligence agancies have put down their foot and prevented the attack on Syria. And it was prevented only some 24 hours before the chosen attack date/hour. They convinced Obama that Assad didn't use nerve gas.

Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 24, 2014 12:45:40 PM | 88

"The question b raises leads to this? Why now? Why release this psy-op video at this time? Cui bono? What might they have wanted to distract attention from?

Ferguson?"

It is an interesting question. The war on terror - along with the massive 1994-2008 rise in living standards and household wealth (ultimately mythical) - also brought with it probably the brightest period of race relations in United States history.*** It was a period that culminated in the election of a Black (well, half-African, the US has still not had an ancestor of slaves in the White House) President of the United States.

But of course the 2008 crash - which wiped out entirely *and then some* the gains made by African Americans - has ended this brief period of national reconciliation. And this drift back to tension has been accompanied by:

1. economic protests such as Occupy which evolved into protests against Stop & Frisk and other over-policing
2. the further attacks against federal workers and unionization
3. the psychological effect of Hurricane Katrina
4. the ultimate failure of the Obama Administration to stick to any of its promises
5. not to mention the systemic racism exposed by the Zimmerman trial
6. and finally this unprecedented explosion of outrage in Ferguson

And the explosion in Ferguson is an expression of outrage which, as far as I know, in unprecedented in length.

So, it is entirely possible that some of this scaremongering is meant to patch back together back our "national harmony" - a harmony without which the United States becomes a tinderbox much less able to inflict damage on the rest of the world. The insurrectionary period of the Vietnam War taught that lesson.

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*** - Of course this should come with a great many caveats - not the least of which is the massive imprisonment - "the New Jim Crow" as it has been rightfully called - here at home. But at the time - for many - it seemed real and reflected a growing Black middle-class, as well as the sort of "reverse Great Migration" that occurred which brought some of the gains (again, ultimately all reversed) back to the Black Belt in the South.

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 24, 2014 12:54:31 PM | 89

@89 The Ferguson link is a bit of a stretch guest. When it comes to the crunch the black middle-class tends to be patriotic.

I see the beheading video as fake but either way it was a provocation. I think it was done to get the US riled up. Somebody is hoping Syria gets bombed.

Posted by: dh | Aug 24, 2014 1:12:31 PM | 90

It's kind of like that old saying: "It's hard to teach a man of something his salary depends on him not understanding".

It's hard to convince JSore that his yammering about bevin and Malooga on some internet message board doesn't make him the World's Most Righteous Leftist™ because his fragile ego depends on him pretending that is the case.

I just wonder where you draw the line. After all, I assume you'd think Hugo Chavez was a "fake leftist" for holding a Chomsky book up at the UN, is that right? Hugo Chavez - a man in whom millions of poor people gave their power and entrusted their hopes, a man who walked at the head of their movement to gain social power, who led a great movement to challenge the US Empire all over the globe, including standing side by side with the Syrians and Iranians, and doing so much to help those in Gaza - he's a fake leftist, right? Or he was just a big dummy? Certainly he was no JSore. I mean, did he even make ALL CAPS posts on the internet at all?

But its like cornering a rabid dog, dealing with JSore. The closer you get to making progress and in making him understand that maybe there is more to being a radical leftist than just grandstanding on the internet, the more he barks and barks and trembles because you're just that much closer to popping that ego bubble of his.

Oh well. Carry on, dipshit. I mean, it's really embarrassing for you, but carry on. We know your hearts in the right place, even if you are mentally on another fucking planet.

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 24, 2014 1:32:45 PM | 91

@dh - I don't mean to suggest the video is there for that sole purpose, but this whole uptick in patriotic fervor and scaremongering perhaps holds an element of it.

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 24, 2014 1:34:34 PM | 92

@91

Trouble in paradise? bevin's gonna be JEEEALLLLOUSSS!!!

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 24, 2014 1:39:02 PM | 93

Here you go guest. A real tearjerker from Anheuser-Busch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N1DetO0RGI

Posted by: dh | Aug 24, 2014 1:45:07 PM | 94

Jsore, thank you for proving my main points:

1) You spend endless posts insulting other people and calling them “Fake-Left,” but, like every bully, you get very touchy when they respond to your insults and defend themselves.

2) You don’t like being called a “troll/hasbarist.” Neither do others.

3) You are not comfortable when someone shouts louder than you on this blog.

4) You are still unable to post anything without half of your post being a direct insult to the other person.

5) If people are unfamiliar with the Yinon plan, in your opinion, they do not understand the world. If people are familiar with anything else beyond that plan, they are showing off their knowledge.

6) You have carefully walked your claims back to “I think that Zionists should indeed be considered A dominant force in US politics/governance.” No one here would disagree with this, so there is no need to pound us remorselessly with it either.

7) You enjoy insulting others when they disagree with your assessment of a hoax, but when they recommend a way to handle hoaxes to defuse the threat, you are uninterested.

8) You, for the second time, refuse to address my main contention, which b also noted, and warned you about, too. What about the rest of the world? Russia, China, multi-polar, other countries plans -- does any of this figure in your analysis -- or are you, as I have come to believe, a violin that can only wail on one note?

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 24, 2014 2:15:54 PM | 95

It has been noted that name changes and acronyms like ISIS, ISIL, IS, and etc. are part and parcel of the methodology of CIYAY, Deep Government, PSYOPS, et al.

Sows Confusion, Frustration, Bewilderment, for the Masses.

Faked Beheading Video reinforces the narrative. Recruits Patriotic Merkans, Wins their hearts and minds, redirects their attention from Civil Unrest, Police Brutality, etc.

None of these attributes and effects are mututally exclusive concepts.

Arming BOTH sides (every side, multiple sides) of a "Conflict" is the best money maker for war profiteers. USG gives away or "lends" money to puppet facilitator (then Paul Bremer gets the loot), Private Corps make products, USG destroys products with more products purchased from corps, corps make and sell more products, corps pocket the loot at every step.

"Remaking" the ME is a long and arduous process. There is great opposition so it must be done slowly and somewhat stealthily. So it gets done little by little. It is getting done and people are making money. They're movers and shakers.

Posted by: Fast Freddy | Aug 24, 2014 2:22:32 PM | 96

This link has several pics of John McCain meeting with Bağdadi’.
http://odatv.com/n.php?n=bu-yazi-okunmadan-isid--abd-baglantisi-anlasilamaz-1908141200

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 24, 2014 2:29:59 PM | 97

(didn’t watch the vid. it could be faked but that doesn’t matter in the grand sweep.)

It reminds me in a way of the killing of Daniel Pearl in 2002, who certainly died. ~ Very charismatic person, even similiar looks.

His widow, Mariane, exploited the whole media bit, interview with Oprah, a book, a movie, a foundation (Amanpour is a board member) etc.

However, Mariane P. and the Pearl parents were not on board with the accusation of Mohamed Khalid Sheik as a perp, did not accept his ‘confession’ - from all places the Huff post, top of goog:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/14/danniel-pearls-family-dis_n_358153.html

They stuck with the culpability of Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, who has had many different names over time, and who was convicted , perhaps falsely, no opinion on that now, for the murder of D. P. in Pakistan. Wiki for Omar, certainly *not* accurate or complete:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Omar_Saeed_Sheikh

Foley is kind of echo, repeat. The media, and propagandists the world over (US and ISIS and ..) love these kinds of symbols.

If you look at the murder of Daniel Pearl you will see that everyone exploited it for gain / power / bashing as best as they could, justice and/ or truth, put all in inverted commas, not applicable.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 24, 2014 2:34:14 PM | 98

The US and its junior partners could well have been aware that ISIS was losing in Syria, but also growing in capacity as it moved to Iraq. But the demoralized antiwar atmosphere of Americans writ large might have prevented any attempt to squash it during that period.
But Putin played more of a role in preventing the Syrian attack than any cautionary attitudes among Americans.

Chomsky turned on Chavez last I heard because Chomsky has a problem with
Authority even when the Authority is best suited to enforce socialism and-or
fight capitalist imperialism.

Posted by: truthbetold | Aug 24, 2014 2:39:28 PM | 99

Penny:

I appreciate your blog and I think that you are very skillful at reading between the lines in news accounts.

But, with all due respect, I believe you have missed the point of my post, and of the specific line you have addressed -- which was meant to be rhetorical in tone. I was not actually asking for the information you have presented -- I have been following these events closely for over 45 years and am intimately familiar with all of these details -- which, by the way, have been covered extensively on both this, and your blog. Both history and context are extremely important to me.

Rather, my challenge to Jsore, and to you, is to acknowledge that there IS a resistance -- indeed, an increasingly powerful resistance world-wide -- and to trust that resistance, believe in it, respect its accomplishments, and begin to see the world through their eyes.

Surely, Hassan Nasrallah, for instance, is not a fool to be lightly ignored.

Both of you only see the world through Israel’s eyes -- like a fish that isn’t aware it is immersed in water.

You both might be against the Zionist state, but you swim in its projections.

Yes, it is possible that USUKIS will create tiny amenable statelets and that Israel will increase its territory and influence. But it appears to me to be more than equally possible that in the next few decades Israel will collapse, and in the words of Ahmadinejad, “cease to exist.”

That is the more interesting story -- which I believe gets far too little consideration.

Great changes are happening beneath the surface of the world today.

If a space alien landed on the earth today and was presented with Jsore’s blog posts, and, for example, M. K. Bhadrakumar’s blog posts -- which one would provide him with a more accurate description of what is going on in the world today?

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 24, 2014 3:11:55 PM | 100

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