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August 20, 2014

Malooga On Ferguson - The Bigger Picture

by Malooga
lifted from a comment

@154 luca kasks: "Why don't you people wait for all the facts to come in?"

Facts are not like beloved relatives coming in to visit on cherished holidays; facts are like murdered ex-collaborators, to be secretly disappeared and buried deep in some dank forgotten hole in the ground.

Facts, for the ruling class, are dangerous beasts. Myths and stories are far safer fare.

Facts may escape unexpectedly at the very beginning of an event, before proper control systems are in place, after that all one is likely to get is the official story, or if that fails, the official fall-back position.

How could one get what is going on geopolitically by following this blog, and not get that the same conditions and principles of domination, control and brutalization operate similarly on a local scale?

Perhaps it might be helpful to detail those conditions and principles in order to remind ourselves what the theater in which these events take place is truly like, both for the residents of places like Ferguson, and for the police who manage those residents.

The war on drugs was not a war against drugs. It was a war for the ultra-rich rulers to control and profit from the cash streams of illegal drug profits, to finance un-sellable illegal wars, a method of destabilizing other countries through drug addiction, and a method of criminalizing the intentional poverty and hopelessness of the bottom 30%, or more, of the domestic population. (See: US protection of heroin in southeast Asia and Afghanistan, CIA crack distribution in US cities, Gary Webb, etc.)

The "War on Terror" is virtually the same thing: An outright war on the poor, and a destabilization of territories the empire does not control outright. Additionally, like drugs, the “war” is largely synthetic, that is to say, fake and victimless, where the perpetrators have to be secretly sponsored to create an artificial enemy, with what Rowan Berkeley accurately termed “pseudo-gangs.”

These wars are not real, in the sense that the problems as described are not real; and, such problems as may exist, are intentionally handled so as to exacerbate them, and reinforce the problem-reaction-solution dynamic.

Drugs are not a problem to be eradicated, rather, they are a medium to be employed, a means to an end. Terror, as we know, is not even a thing, it is just a tactic. You can’t criminalize a tactic, but you can employ it as a means to an end.

I don’t need to remind you that the US, the “land of the free,” has the largest -- in absolute and relative terms -- prison population on the planet. And the vast, vast, vast majority of those who are imprisoned are there for victimless crimes.

But that’s not all. Because if you grow up in the projects, and you raise your kid right, and miraculously manage to keep him away from guns and gangs, you still face two more daunting hurdles: poverty and police violence.

Let’s start with poverty. Official unemployment rates are lied over, real rates can be many times higher, and many in the projects can find no work at all, or only part-time work, without benefits, in a fast food joint. Lack of work equals lack of money, which equals lack of education, which equals lack of opportunity and work, and so on, in an endless vicious cycle.

Domestically, a new war is underway: an outright war on the poor, where those who can’t -- because of unemployment or other reasons -- keep up with their financial obligations are threatened with imprisonment for non-payment of bills, taxes, child support, court fees, parking tickets, etc. Indeed, we as a society have regressed to the days of Oliver Twist and workhouses. Prisoners must work for their keep these days as low cost producers for corporations, and quaint notions like labor laws or minimum wages do not apply to them.

Prisons have been privatized, and prisoners are just another commodity to be profited from in the capitalist system, like pork bellies, or wheat futures. Judges, like police, have been proved to have quotas: they are expected to meet a production goal where, like a factory worker, a certain number of people must be imprisoned each month or year. After all, the owners of these prisons are top campaign contributors, and they provide “jobs” to the local economy, so they must be kept happy. Cops, like judges, are under pressure to do their part in maintaining prison occupancy rates.

Any fool can see that this is not a description of a society, as anthropologists might have studied 100 years ago, but of a catabolic process, whereby a sick or diseased body (politic) greedily consumes itself on the way to the grave. And, as they quietly lament around my way, “it is what it is.”

And yet, it is worse: for those that escape these first three evils -- drugs, the “war on terror” and poverty -- which I have briefly detailed, there is a fourth evil to be circumvented: what the sociologists call “structural violence.” And this takes two forms. The first comes in the form of what psychiatrists term “frustration aggression.” Watch industrially raised chickens, confined to 2/3 of a square foot of cage space, artificial lighting, and a diet of drugs and GMO feedstock engage in vicious acts of cannibalism, and you will get a sense of what that is. The ghetto is a similarly sociologically confined space, and frustration and the inability to cope or escape can lead to misplaced violence or acting out against others.

The second type of violence is institutionalized violence, where, in an intentional process of social engineering, one group or class of people is taught to hate and fear another group or class. This is the process that I, employing Gregory Bateson’s insights, term schismogenesis. It is divide and rule at its most base level: Civil wars, genocide, pogroms, mob violence, etc.

And yes, the police are deeply inculcated in perpetuating institutional violence. They are trained to both hate and fear the public they lord over. And the system is not accidental, by any means. The police on the beat, the SWAT teams, the civic snipers, etc. -- these are people of rather limited intellectual abilities in understanding how the entire geopolitical system works. They are, by nature, not curious in that way -- rather, they are ordinary people who value fitting in, convention, tradition, and law and order in society. In other words, they buy into the myths of our society, its “freedom," and “liberty," and “goodness of purpose," and “rightness of heart," and “exceptionalism," lock, stock, and barrel. And they expect others to buy in as well in order to be “good" patriotic Americans. After all, “if you are not with us, you are against us," as George Bush Jr. explained in one of his few elegantly articulate formulations. Therefore, the police are vulnerable to being easily propagandized.

They are then compartmentalized in knowledge, grouped into subgroups, and endlessly trained and drilled in hate and fear of the official "enemy" of the day, and then trained in techniques of the highest level of violence in thwarting the alleged goals of these enemies. Police no longer make use of bobby clubs, they are now given the elite weapons of war that our soldiers use in combat. They watch movies to see how these weapons are employed. And to seal the deal, they are given special classes, trainings and drills from the same “specialists" on “terror” that train our military because the American way of subversion always includes making people feel special. Now, they are not dumb cops anymore, they are well trained, and they are told that they are our elite guard protecting the “homeland” from those who hate our ways of freedom.

They are also economically privileged compared to the people of places like Ferguson. Police have unions, and theirs are probably the only labor unions in America today not under constant attack from the ruling class. So they get generous overtime, benefits, can buy houses and raise kids in safety outside of the leviathan that I am describing. They also, to a certain extent, benefit from the inequalities of society. So they look down on those they are policing and look up to their betters: The wealthy and those who are experts in the “threats facing society today.” Go to a real wealthy neighborhood, and the cops don’t have that same smug attitude. They address you as “Sir” or Ma’am.” If they have to pull you over for having a headlight out, they can be downright apologetic -- after all, you may be a judge or a city councilman. They know who their betters are, and now they act like public servants, albeit a little falsely servile. This is obviously not the case in Ferguson, where the number of police stops annually is greater than the population of the town, and arrests are similarly elevated.

Finally, police on the force for any length of time must face the complete corruption of our society: They know that justice is a farce. They know who the drug dealers are, the money runners, the pimps, the bought politicians, and judges -- the whole nine yards. And they know that there is no will to change any of this. Moreover, they have no power over any of this: They can either choose to be complicit in the corrupt system, or keep to themselves and hope for the best not to be set up one day as a patsy.

Thus, police in our society live in a state of total cognitive dissonance, what one might call an ethical double-bind. They are forced to see that on one hand, we are supposedly the greatest society ever; on the other hand, life is hopelessly brutal and corrupt. They must believe in, or at least publicly pay lip service, to the myths they are sworn to uphold: the wars on drugs and terror; the promise of progress and a quasi-religious kind of civic and moral redemption -- that if you just keep your nose clean and work hard, you can escape the poverty of the ghetto they police; and that we live in a just society in which they are the protectors of that justice. Meanwhile, they like everyone else in America, watches as the whole system is rapidly breaking down. They know that there are no real jobs for the people of Ferguson, and that, like in the movie, “TheTruman Show,” the residents cannot escape the set.

This double bind is of course unresolvable. So police themselves, under tremendous internal strain, resort to the same frustration-aggression, and unexpected violent lashing out, in order to cope.

Under these conditions, the only power police have is over the people in the community they are supposed to serve. And the only way they can demonstrate that power is by acting out brutally and violently.

Sociologists and criminologists know that the methods police are taught and trained in don’t work, just as economists know that “trickle down” really means “flow up.” Gentler methods involving community involvement, restorative justice, etc. have all been worked out and proved to work. But the new methods actually do work, only for different purposes and to different ends: they frighten and cower populations, they allow one group to dominate another, they isolate people and pit them against each other in fruitless zero-sum games, and they destroy human lives, values, and charitableness. In sum, they control people, and allow them to be selectively harvested for profit, like a slowly maturing cash crop in the sweltering St. Louis summer heat.

And, community policing, bad as it is these days, does not even compare to the violence perpetrated by the new elite SWAT teams. These groups are as brutal as the teams used to clear houses in Iraq -- and no surprise there, for they are taught the same methods: If it moves, take it out.

And that brings us back to the police. Under the conditions I have just detailed, under the impossible constraints they forced to endure, how can they not be violent, at least some of the time. And how can they, as an organized force, not be violent in a systematic manner. Perhaps not all the time, but more often than not the social forces which police work under these days force violence to be propagated down in a systematic and totalizing manner.

And it is the awareness of all that I have described that causes many commenters here to reflexively assume police lies and violence to be ubiquitous. I hope that this is more understandable now. It is not a judgment of an individual’s (the cop who shot Michael Brown) -- who one obviously doesn’t know well -- moral value, rather it is an holistic appraisal of the social and material conditions of our society today, in which the American underclass, and their handlers, seek to operate.

Therefore, as for the police themselves, yes, perhaps out of the many hundreds of cases a year like this of police murder, corruption, assault, brutality, cover-up, bribery, theft, etc., there are possibly a few that were accidental, unintentional, or even false charges. If that were to be the case -- which appears practically impossible -- the facts would get out -- unless the cop were being intentionally set up. But, to focus on this petty detail, and insist upon its importance to the bigger picture, is to miss that bigger picture altogether. I hope we can all see this.

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From Malooga's piece:
Finally, police on the force for any length of time must face the complete corruption of our society: They know that justice is a farce. They know who the drug dealers are, the money runners, the pimps, the bought politicians, and judges -- the whole nine yards. And they know that there is no will to change any of this. Moreover, they have no power over any of this: They can either choose to be complicit in the corrupt system, or keep to themselves and hope for the best not to be set up one day as a patsy.

Thus, police in our society live in a state of total cognitive dissonance, what one might call an ethical double-bind. They are forced to see that on one hand, we are supposedly the greatest society ever; on the other hand, life is hopelessly brutal and corrupt. They must believe in, or at least publicly pay lip service, to the myths they are sworn to uphold: the wars on drugs and terror; the promise of progress and a quasi- religious kind of civic and moral redemption..."

Great observation and explanation. IMO, one could also substitute msm media for police in this piece. Extraordinary piece in its totality. Thanks to Malooga for sharing and to b for posting as a topic.

Posted by: really | Aug 20, 2014 7:45:22 AM | 1

Excellent post by Malooga.Ferguson is just the beginning.Unless they put tanks in the streets.Which these monsters might,you can't show up the all powerful,and important.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 20, 2014 8:17:08 AM | 2

Well, yes it's correct that everyone, including the cops and Barack Obama, are caught up in this monstrously dysfunctional system.

But this mds came into existence and continues to exist because it benefits the one side at the expense of the other.

And my sympathies are with those expended, and not at all with those who benefit at their expense.

Posted by: john francis lee | Aug 20, 2014 8:17:56 AM | 3

@ Malooga: Wonderful description - compulsory reading matter!

Posted by: slirs | Aug 20, 2014 8:45:22 AM | 4

The other "war" or fight for domination is the war on nature or what in recent decades we have often referred to as "the environment". With no regard for the intrinsic value of nature or the whole concept of ecological integrity, modern power uses, contaminates and destroys land, water, habitat, atmosphere, oceans and species for profit and control. Too bad about the "negative externalities". And as with all of the other "wars", those with the least resources and power get the worst of the pollution and destruction, the chemicals, GMO food, the risks that go with living in industrial waste areas, and the spiritual desolation of lost ties to nature.

Posted by: Maxcrat | Aug 20, 2014 8:47:35 AM | 5

@5

Although off topic a bit I agree...Btw, protect the bees people...

http://www.bing.com/search?q=protect+the+bees&qs=&form=QBLH

Posted by: really | Aug 20, 2014 9:36:51 AM | 6

And that brings us back to the police. Under the conditions I have just detailed, under the impossible constraints they forced to endure, how can they not be violent, at least some of the time. And how can they, as an organized force, not be violent in a systematic manner. Perhaps not all the time, but more often than not the social forces which police work under these days force violence to be propagated down in a systematic and totalizing manner.

And it is the awareness of all that I have described that causes many commenters here to reflexively assume police lies and violence to be ubiquitous. I hope that this is more understandable now.

Shorter: they are just following orders so give them some slack.

Save your fake left commentary for a society that isn't indiscriminately murdering MILLIONS of innocent people both domestically and abroad.

Oh, but you really aren't apologizing for the scores and scores of individuals in the US who make the decision - ONE, I APPARENTLY NEED TO REMIND YOU, THAT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS DO NOT - to murder and oppress, huh?

Furthermore - and worse - these authoritarian crimianals are NOT involuntary conscripts or draftees who commit these crimes. They make a DECISION to be a well-paid and media-respected part of the OBVIOUS murderous coercive arm of the government so to "give us a picture" that largely absolves these people from blame is lowest from of propaganda. Pick up your check.

Oh, pity the poor oppressor. His/her hands are just tied. Disgusting nonsense.

Effing fake left ameliorating bullsh!t.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 10:03:03 AM | 7

As usual, for most Malooga posts, excellent social commentary, and true. The ruling class of America are now exporting this system around the globe:

My favorite bit from the post:

"Sociologists and criminologists know that the methods police are taught and trained in don’t work, just as economists know that “trickle down” really means “flow up.” Gentler methods involving community involvement, restorative justice, etc. have all been worked out and proved to work. But the new methods actually do work, only for different purposes and to different ends: they frighten and cower populations, they allow one group to dominate another, they isolate people and pit them against each other in fruitless zero-sum games, and they destroy human lives, values, and charitableness. In sum, they control people, and allow them to be selectively harvested for profit, like a slowly maturing cash crop in the sweltering St. Louis summer heat."

Posted by: ben | Aug 20, 2014 10:09:50 AM | 8

Adding:

In American - do you really live here? - the peons get NOTHING BUT - 24/7/365 - the sad stories of just how hard it is to be a soldier or a cop with reality show after reality show, paean after paean in the MSM to just how effing difficult it is to NOT HAVE TO EFFING KILL unarmed and innocent people here and abroad yet you think that you have to give us here at MOA ANOTHER 3,000 words on how we should just really stop and think about how accurate and correct the MSM portrayal of the tough lives of these murderers/criminals is?

That we should ponder the vast mysterious social forces at work that makes a certain segment of our society volunteer to become a bunch of murderous fiends and then feel SYMPATHY for them?!!

Holy Eff, I don't think I've read such rubbish in a while.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 10:10:10 AM | 9

Adding:

And all of you who are nodding your heads at Malooga's "Ode to Fascist Murderers", realize that THIS is EXACTLY the type of rubbish propaganda that is purposefully designed to short-circuit any feelings of anger/outrage that the peons/masses might feel when confronted with situations that - contrary to fake left apologetics - ARE INDEED BLACK AND WHITE and not the seemingly "sophisticated" grey of ineffective bourgeois commentators/analysts.

More galling is that Malooga's argument takes the same type of reasoning that defense attorneys SHOULD use to help mitigate the crimes of the oppressed peons when they are in the dock and turns it around for use by the OPPRESSOR!!!

Instead of it being: Yes, b/c you live in a distressed socioeconomic strata there might not be much opportunity besides crime etc and a jury should take that fact into consideration when passing judgement.

We get: Yes, b/c you are a murderous oppressive f*ck who likes to kill and beat people the jury should take the fact that you just love doing your well-paid job into consideration when passing judgement.

Effing nonsense.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 10:19:43 AM | 10

Well said, the goal of the overlords is to keep this centered on race so as to deflect the real problem as Main Street citizens are being crushed by the 1%

http://www.correntewire.com/kareem_abdul_jabbar_on_race_and_class_in_ferguson_and_how_the_nation_butchers_the_story_by_putting_a

The above is a take down on the problem with the so-called liberal media

http://www.emptywheel.net/2014/08/19/holders-agency-in-ferguson/

Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 20, 2014 10:28:54 AM | 11

Economic Conditions which are IMPOSED on societies by the Bilderberg Group, serve to pigeonhole the varied populous into a number of camps. As the experiment that was the American Middle Class continues to unwind, fewer opportunities become available. Police Werk, Military Service, or serving time in prison are popular options for American Youth.

These limited "opportunities" further societal decay as they enrich the one percent.

They're picking the bones now.

Posted by: Fast Freddy | Aug 20, 2014 10:30:01 AM | 12

Good rant. Just on the subject of privatized prisons is the prison guard union. This group has a profound influence over the electorate because of the lobby. Schedule 1 Marijuana busts are their bread-and-butter. Overtime is important, you see. It's part and parcel of the homily 'you can hire half the poor to kill the other half.' Jobs within the crumbling Middle-classes is the payola for those whose interests casually benefitted by the 'trickle-down' nonsense. It's an alliance of desperation and the monied classes know this.

Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 20, 2014 10:33:57 AM | 13

Upon reading Malooga's post again and taking into consideration Jsore's comments, I have a auestion about the last 3 paragraphs of Malooga's post. It appears to me that Malooga is trying to make a rationale that the police are not culpable due to the fact their "overlords" control them completely mind, body and soul. To me this sounds like a "they had no choice, they had no other option, they were just following orders, etc." justification defense for the police. I would hope that Malooga would address Jsore's take and clarify what exactly he is trying to say at the end of his post.

Posted by: really | Aug 20, 2014 11:01:57 AM | 14

I'm not buying what you're selling:
Wham! "Wait! I didn't mean to do that," says the cop, "but justice is a farce."
Wham! "Sorry.I couldn't help myself," says the cop. "It's just that I'm under tremendous internal strain."
Wham! Bam! Another citizen dead.
(I don't think the police think that justice is a farce. I don't think they think about justice very deeply. I DO think the more they bash their fellow-citizens' heads in, the easier it gets.)

Posted by: madisolation | Aug 20, 2014 11:02:33 AM | 15

JSorrentine @ 10

Did we read the same piece?

You must have read some excess ironi and sarcasm into the text, and have clearly subtaken the opposite meaning of what Malooga actually wrote.
No offence intended, but I suggest reading it over.


@ Malooga

Well written, truly rare stuff.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 20, 2014 11:35:52 AM | 16

Thank you for your insight!

Posted by: Thirsty | Aug 20, 2014 11:47:07 AM | 17

I observed decades ago that sociopaths are attracted to work like... prison guards, police officers...

Posted by: crone | Aug 20, 2014 11:47:41 AM | 18

Interesting how a number of commenters failed to note the key conclusion of the article.

It isn't that the police are not culpable in the situation - nor that we should sympathize/excuse them.

It is that their behavior is a symptom - and the article speaks towards what Malooga believes is the cause.

If, in fact, this is the case, then demonizing the police is no more productive than treating a symptom vs. the disease, and in fact is the disease itself because "divide and conquer" seeks precisely to pit various demographics of the population against each other.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20, 2014 11:51:39 AM | 19

Malooga opens an important discourse, by carefully responding to comments calling for an explanation of the situation in Ferguson.
And J Sorrentine immediately responds by attempting to put an end to any rational discussion. That much is par for the course and increasingly tedious. I'm going to ignore Sorrentine's posts which serve only the cause of a ruling class which hates people thinking, and reasoning honestly together, almost as much as J does.
I forget where I saw this piece about the way that Zionists disrupt discussion but it is worth posting:

" 'The Hasbara Handbook: Promoting Israel on Campus', which is distributed to campus activists by organizations like Stand With Us, explains that it is often better to score points than to engage in actual arguments, and offers an explanation for how, in its own words, 'to score points whilst avoiding debate'. Point-scoring, the Hasbara Handbook explains, "works because most audience members fail to analyze what they hear. Rather, they register only a key few points, and form a vague 'impression' of whose argument was stronger." Part of the strategy is to recycle the same claims over and again, in as many settings as possible. 'If people hear something often enough,' the document points out, 'they come to believe it.

"Needless to say, this was precisely the tactic developed by the Nazi Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, which he called "the big lie." Goldberg and Makdsisi continue:

"The Hasbara Handbook offers several other propaganda devices, all of which can be seen vividly at play in the coverage of the UCLA Gaza panel and other similar events, including again, the Robinson affair. 'Creating negative connotations by name calling is done to try to get the audience to reject a person or idea on the basis of negative associations, without allowing a real examination of that person or idea,' the handbook states with remarkable bluntness, in advocating this tactic. It also suggests using the opposite of name-calling, to defend Israel by what it calls the deployment of 'glittering generalities' (words like ‘freedom', ‘civilization', ‘democracy') to describe the country, manipulating the audiences' fears, etc..."

It strikes me that J Sorrentine has made a deep study of Hasbara methods, which are, obviously, easily adapted to the purpose of non zionists and zionists alike.


One aspect of Ferguson which is striking is the tameness of the community's response to the brutality and flagrant illegality of the state's actions. Only a few years ago, in England, the killing of Mark Duggan by cops provoked riots that spread across the country and involved tens of thousands of people. In Ferguson the response has been much more muted and deeply coloured by lamb like pacifism. Black America understands the way that the system works, that it lives on sufferance and that between the police, the courts, the politicians and the media they are caught up in a
labyrinth from which there is no escape on this earth.
As someone recently pointed out, the fists in the air have been unclenched, hands now wave above heads in surrender.

Much of this is the result of repression but the state has always repressed popular protests. What has changed is that the institutions of working class politics, from the Unions to the socialist, populist and reformist parties no longer offer alternatives in leadership to communities in which religion and crime are the only organisations left. And this is not entirely the state's fault: suicidal sectarianism is also to blame. The sort of sectarianism which sees Malooga's post not as an opportunity to broaden our understanding of what is to be done, but as an affront to the single source of all wisdom and the only licensed dispenser of opinions.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 20, 2014 11:54:34 AM | 20

Somewhat on topic; GG's Intercept banned for all US military pesonnel.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1276886-us-military-letter-banning-the-intercept.html

Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 20, 2014 11:57:49 AM | 21

Rob Urie has a good article at CounterPunch today:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/20/racial-repression-and-the-murder-of-mike-brown/

Malooga's reference to "pseudo gangs" is a reminder that this counter insurgency technique, as Rowan explains, was used by the British in Kenya in their anti Mau Mau campaigns. Whether it had previously been used in Palestine by the British, important mentors of the zionist state's thuggery, I am not sure. Perhaps someone else has information.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 20, 2014 12:08:24 PM | 22

@ 20 bevin

your post is hogwash... and a personal attack on a poster.

It is not the "system" that has created the militarization of the police force... the fact is that most police officers are sociopaths -

"One aspect of Ferguson which is striking is the tameness of the community's response to the brutality and flagrant illegality of the state's actions." bevin, above

Well, well... you don't know anything at all about black people, do you. Only what the propaganda tells you. Let this old white southern woman educate you. Black people have survived 300 years of various types of slavery in this fictional "Land of the Free" w/ their heads held high, despite the constant effort to "put them in their place" - they are "community" - they are strong - they know their 'rights' but they are pragmatic enough to know what they must do in order to survive. "tameness" - what the hell kind of word is that? What you really mean is you expected them to be out with baseball bats, shouting 'death to the pigs'... get out of your ivory tower sometime.

As for the 'hasbara' - well, I won't even go there, except to say that you are an expert on that subject.

Posted by: crone | Aug 20, 2014 12:15:41 PM | 23

*Police: Protect and Serve (seen on their cruisers)
*Police strategy: In any circumstance always shoot to kill in order to be sure to safeguard the police, even faking the circumstances if necessary.
*So, Protect and Serve:--the police, not the citizens, by making it crystal clear that the police have the absolute, unquestioned power of life and death over citizens

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 20, 2014 12:16:25 PM | 24

@bevin @20

"One aspect of Ferguson which is striking is the tameness of the community's response to the brutality and flagrant illegality of the state's actions."

Ive been thinking about Ferguson and Occupy and other, less reported, protests as eruptions which the monied and political elite warily watch. Each eruption warns of more to come. Maybe I'm not reading it correctly, but given the severity of the crackdowns by police, I think it's nothing less than astounding that it has lasted as long as it has, long enough to catch worldwide attention. I wonder what will be next.

Posted by: madisolation | Aug 20, 2014 12:17:16 PM | 25

@crone, #23
Actually the police ARE an integral part of a larger state security system which includes the widespread killing of innocents in many places. What is war but organized murder?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 20, 2014 12:21:59 PM | 26

In the US, the police won't hire intelligent people.

Their justification, accepted by a judge as legitimate:

[...] on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.

Posted by: Anon y Mouse | Aug 20, 2014 12:26:04 PM | 27

Good post from Malooga, OK, fine. Some points:

The historical trend is constant.

Or if there are new memes, pol positions, they are not very visible.

One might imagine that the ‘frame’ these ‘urban’ conflicts are cast in might change over time - Whites might object to police brutality or interference of Gvmt. along libertarian lines.

Rand Paul made some remarks in this direction, heh, whatever, e.g. Anyone who thinks race does not skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention …

Correct, yet a red herring. Does the police kill more Blacks than Whites? What an awesome, thrilling question! Treated in the MSM, here, as if police kilings were normal:

http://tinyurl.com/p39jdmf

This 3-min clip about the Watts riots, 1965, shows all the same ingredients, though ppl at the time were not aware of the ‘prison industry’, it is kind of implicit. Note the police is equipped with everything available at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6PVzar8jw4

So it needs to keep up for today. (Describing not endorsing.)

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 20, 2014 12:26:15 PM | 28

bevin isn't the only one who has marveled at the self-control of African-Americans despite years of hostile discrimination, physical abuse and even killing by the state in their own country, with the calm non-violent civil disobedience of MLK Jr as a prime example. It is a striking example of strength under extreme duress.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 20, 2014 12:27:52 PM | 29

@bevin

I'm not even going to address - much - a noted Zionist apologist such as yourself - remember the Presbyterians run the American media gambit you pulled a while back, bevin? Classic. - read from his own playbook in hopes of flame-baiting me. I mean really, bevin, when did you write that post? last month? It must have been so very hard to keep it in your pants for so long. Congratulations, I'm just so peeved.

@ really and others

Yes, the reason why I am so vehement after reading this piece IS EXACTLY that the last 3 paragraphs - the conclusion if you will - sounds like I'm reading "President Obama's Select Committee's Report on Law Enforcement and Race Relations" as it takes all of the other accurate stuff Mallooga says and then hits us square in the face the Establishment line that we should look to a large picture than that of accurate pictures of yesteryear.

I understand that Malooga is trying to paint a bigger picture in attempting to outline underlying causes blah blah blah but this is the EXACT SAME propagandistic technique that has been WHOLLY taken over by Estblishment when they tell us their murderous crimes and the situations - Libya, Iraq, Ukraine, Syria, ISIS, etc etc - that spawn them are just "too complex" and "multi-factored" for there to be a rush to judgement, an assignation of blame.

I mean, Marx did a better job of describing the situation in Ferguson than Malooga could ever hope to do, why not quote him and be done with it?

Nope instead we have to - or so the Establishment tells us - visit and revisit and rerevisit these "complex" situations in an attempt to further understand them and maybe even - empathize? - with the perpetrators of said crimes.

I mean, why not instead of getting all pseudo-sociological keep it a little more concrete and call police and soldiers what they really are?

C'mon, sing along with me Europeans, South/Central Americans and other residents of countries that have been occupied:

C-O-L-L-A-B-O-R-A-T-O-R-S

Yup, be they witting - can do much about them - or unwitting, collaborator is probably the closest term that one can use to discussing these people.

And why are so many "unwitting"?

Hmmm, could it be that instead of using terminology like "collaborators" our commentariat always seems to come up with "big picture" ideas that somehow - oopsie - mitigate the actions/decisions of these people?

Demonizing collaborators is a bad idea the commentariat - along with every popular TV show, movie, etc etc - tells me so I guess I shouldn't do that, huh?

Instead, we should try and build a grass-roots awareness of the complexity of the situations, the conflicting psychological states of actors in said situations and then create a multi-pronged consensus as to what we should be doing next?

But that could take a thousand effing years?

Exactly, whisper TPTB.


Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 12:37:16 PM | 30

malooga - excellent commentary - thank you... b - thanks for highlighting malooga's comment here.

@19 c1ue.. that is probably the way it always has and will be.

@20 bevin.. thanks for your comments as always. bevin quote: "And J Sorrentine immediately responds by attempting to put an end to any rational discussion." it comes from a more emotive place, as opposed to a detached place.. i know what you are saying bevin but i think jsore offers a viewpoint that has a lot of merit as well, if only a person remains detached when reading his commentary. this is why i have repeatedly argued for jsore to not make it personal. i think he is expressing a hugely valid place - more emotional in nature - in response to what malooga and yourself have more intellectual clarity and perspective on.

Posted by: james | Aug 20, 2014 12:45:12 PM | 31

The Peace Concerts were going on in London, while at the same time the Police were chasing a terrorist in the undergrounds (railway system). Bogus of years later it turned out (when no one remembers), that the terrorist was terrorist after all, a false flag. Ruined the Peace Concerts!

Posted by: Bobby | Aug 20, 2014 12:46:03 PM | 32

i wrote that before i read jsores post @ 30...

no one is prevented from reading marx or studying events from the past. no one is prevented from examining events in the present and commenting on them either..

Posted by: james | Aug 20, 2014 12:49:38 PM | 33


@31


response to what malooga and yourself have more intellectual clarity and perspective on.

Thank you for helping summarize my point: what the world DOES NOT NEED ANYMORE OF is "intellectual clarity and perspective" as we are being needlessly murdered/maimed/raped/enslaved and stolen from all under the cover of people who tell us peons that we really just need some MORE "intellectual clarity and perspective" to do anything about our miserable situation.

It's a effing trap which seemingly educated and intelligent seemingly CANNOT get their freaking minds around.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 12:53:05 PM | 34

Should be:

It's a effing trap which seemingly educated and intelligent PEOPLE seemingly CANNOT get their freaking minds around.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 12:53:53 PM | 35

Got a better one. No loop-de-loops required.

@154 luca asks: "Why don't you people wait for all the facts to come in?"

154 luca is simply recycling the standard US media narrative that pretends that it is all about the "forensic evidence", and that once we have that we will know "what the cause" of the Ferguson events is, as if we don't already know what the conclusion will be: The police/authorities are always vindicated and left off the hook. In this case to keep open season on the hunt for young Black men.

To repeat: It doesn't matter if the guy shot by the cop in the convenience store was the modern incarnation of Attila the Hun, Darth Vader and the natty-dreadlocked Predator from Alien (the latter two obvious African-American 'fear' stereotypes), all rolled into one. It doesn't matter if he was the Black Hitler.

This is not about "racism". Everybody's a "racist" at some level, and African-Americans are likely the most "racist" people in the USA (and if you turn off the TV and use your own brain, you'll understand why).

It is about WHITE SUPREMACY, not "racism". It's an objective social structure, not a subjective attitude to "feel guilty" about. That's what gives Whitey the option to consider middle-class Asians as "honorary Whites", for example. That's what determines that the considerable majority of prison inmates are Black and Latino.

So, "wait for the evidence"? Tell us, how long do we have to wait? We've been waiting for 350 years, since the 1680's when the institution first took root in the Virginia tidewater tobacco plantations. Those tobacco planters (a kind of drug-dealer we would now see it) and their cotton successors went on to dominate the USA for the next four-score and seven (87) years. Their faces still grace the USA's money. They are still praised as "fathers of their country" (Washington, Jefferson etc) and great democratic and military heros (the ethnic-cleanser Andrew Jackson, prominently featured on the USA's most popular bill). If, as the typical American is brainwashed into believing, this is all "ancient history", why are their faces still on the bills? Why is the USA still playing "Catch a ****** by the toe" in places like Ferguson? Darn, Hitler must have been full of pure eifersucht when he cast his eyes across the Atlantic.

Because White supremacy remains the central operational principle of divide-and-rule for the rulers and owners - past and present - of the USA. Both at home and overseas. It really it as simple as as that. No more sophisticated connect-the-dots "social theory" is required beyond that.

But the bottom line is that the "waiters" don't believe this. They will scoff at this, and do anything rather than face up to the fact that the USA has always been and continues to be dedicated to the proposition of White supremacy as its golden rule, at home and abroad. Hence "The West" is basically a Cold War invention of the USA, an extension of White supremacy overseas. White supremacy as an instituted ideological invention also explains the seeming incongruity of an East Asian country like Japan being included in the magic circle, while a country like Russia is excluded: One is obviously an "honorary White" - in fact that was the legal status granted to Japanese by the "other USA", the old apartheid Union of South Africa - while the other is "dishonored" through withholding the same. Because the highest honor a human being can receive from the USA is to be considered "White". Regardless of race. Understand now?

Happily US demographic trends insure that this institution, and with it the USA itself, will enter into the greatest crisis of its history in the not-to-distant future. We are already in the early stages of that great crisis. The American Far Right acutely senses it, and that is why they are in such a hysterical frenzy, busy arming themselves to the teeth. That day is coming, as surely as it came in 1861, but on a much more profound scale.

An aside: The current USA media whine is that "outsiders" are going to Ferguson to confront the authorities. They even scroll across the TV screen detailed statistics on where these Predator Aliens are coming from. No "waiting for evidence" here! But according to them, the vast majority come from St. Louis. Ferguson is in the St. Louis metro area, just to see to what ridiculous lengths the USA propaganda will go to avoid notice of the Great White elephant in the room. Otherwise (in a message to those still "waiting for evidence", this is to be seen as a commendable act of solidarity, at least from within the African-American community. It is the moral equivalent of Gaza's rockets. Their right to travel from St. Louis to a neighboring suburb is to be defended and supported. Just as one must defend the right of Palestinians to freedom of movement in their own country.

Or perhaps those "waiting" would want and Israeli-style internal pass-control system in the USA? Oh that's right we already have one. It's called "driving while Black"...


Posted by: Matt | Aug 20, 2014 12:56:15 PM | 36

Cops aren't mostly sociopaths. But they do earn their bona fides form Authoritarian control. The demographics of sociopaths is about 3-5 percent of the population. The military attracts sociopaths but that doesn't change the stats. They do acquire PTSD from traumatic war, and that's a bigger issue.

Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 20, 2014 1:00:00 PM | 37

@We as a society have enough studies on what causes the the racial, social and economical problems in America. Yet nothing never changes for the betterment of society as a whole. Instead we get more psychoanalysis, misdirection, and all-out propaganda from the echo chambers owners and implementers. It is a circular mental gymnastic cluster f**k.

Tptb undeRstands this and they turn the screw just enough but not too much for if they do they may get a massive upheaval of the masses. But to me it appears that tptb are beginning to lose control. Thus why we have ISIS narrative. I am really concerned at how desparate and maniacal tptb have become as of late. Not that they were not maniacal in the past, but currently they seem worse than ever . Look how they currently assert their relentless and bellicose financial, military, propaganda and social control against the masses.

Posted by: really | Aug 20, 2014 1:13:36 PM | 38

Maloog:Domestically, a new war is underway: an outright war on the poor, where those who can’t -- because of unemployment or other reasons -- keep up with their financial obligations are threatened with imprisonment for non-payment of bills, taxes, child support, court fees, parking tickets, etc.

Unemployment didn't just happen. It was engineered to happen by so-called 'free trade' treaties, by helping corporations find and train overseas suppliers, etc. And then from domestic financial despair comes a sense of hopelessness requiring an increased effort thus strengthening the state and allowing it more free rein for still more corporate welfare augmented by stealing from the poor.

It's all according to plan and hits hardest at the local level, where police protect and serve -- police.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 20, 2014 1:27:58 PM | 39

"We are jobless men, and this is our job now -- getting justice," he said. "If that means violence, that's OK by me. --Anonymous Ferguson Protester

If that wasn't actually said, it should have been. The latest job giveaway is the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). The Obama administration bills the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) as a vehicle for growing its members’ economies. But the reality may well be closer to the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which only contributed to the hollowing out of the U.S. manufacturing sector as companies fled south and north of the border. Remember Ross Perot and his "giant sucking sound?" He was correct.

The TPP being coordinated with US corporations is otherwise being done completely in secret to the general public. The good news is that so far the publics in other countries, better informed than we are, are resisting the TPP. But Obama is making a major effort so who knows.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 20, 2014 2:00:05 PM | 40

From the piece:

They are, by nature, not curious in that way -- rather, they are ordinary people who value fitting in, convention, tradition, and law and order in society.

Therefore, the police are vulnerable to being easily propagandized.

Moreover, they have no power over any of this: They can either choose to be complicit in the corrupt system, or keep to themselves and hope for the best not to be set up one day as a patsy.

Under these conditions, the only power police have is over the people in the community they are supposed to serve. And the only way they can demonstrate that power is by acting out brutally and violently.

This double bind is of course unresolvable. So police themselves, under tremendous internal strain, resort to the same frustration-aggression, and unexpected violent lashing out, in order to cope.

Under the conditions I have just detailed, under the impossible constraints they forced to endure, how can they not be violent, at least some of the time.

Again, after further and further review I still stand by this being just another paean to criminal collaborators.

If I substituted "solider" instead of cop would there by ANY difference in our assessment of these poor, conflicted violent collaborators in regards to war crimes?

How about if I substituted the names of some well-known serial killers? They suffer some inner conflicts as well.

Here's a secret: EVERYONE in a exploitative capitalist society who is not a member of the elite is NECESSARILY conflicted, MORE THAN LIKELY suffers from cognitive dissonance and is under impossible constraints but you know what?

THE VAST MAJORITY DON'T EFFING MURDER AND BEAT PEOPLE!!!

So, instead of putting the onus of understanding on the rest of society why don't we hold the relatively few individuals completely accountable for the violent crimes they commit?

I'm sorry I get so effing p!ssed but it's a bit hard to countenance the idea that we should have to make intellectual allowances for the murder and beating of innocent and unarmed people.

Oh but us oppressed peons not only have to shut up and be brutally exploited - if not outright killed and beaten on - we have to ALSO be - like the Establishment tells us - the better angels in the face of our "conflicted" collaborators.

Nice.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 2:35:56 PM | 41

J Sorrentine and his apparent intoxication with certainty

J Sorrentine state above that "what the world does not need anymore of is "intellectual clarity and perspective" as we are being needlessly murdered/maimed/raped..."

"Its a effing trap which seemingly educated and intelligent cannot get their freaking minds around."

Sorrentine seems to believe that he alone is capable of piercing the limits of his own rationality and intelligence and of articulating a mastery of the truth.

As Bevin states above--this type of certainty is "suicidal sectarianism." "The sort of sectarianism which sees Maloogas post not as an opportunity to broaden our understanding of what is to be done, bus as an affront to the single source of all wisdom (J. Sorrentine) and only licensed dispenser of opinion."

It may be that J. Sorrentine is incapable of living with and tolerating his own theoretical insufficiency.

And his anger may be because he also realizes that he has no such capacity to actually articulate a mastery of the truth.

Posted by: Jim | Aug 20, 2014 2:51:38 PM | 42

Adding:

Yes, yes, I understand that I'm supposed to understand that subtle nuances/intricate contributive factors found in overarching theories on society etc but at the end of the day and after having witnessed all of the needless slaughter both within and without the US it's really hard to look at it all and think, "Oh well, these people have simply "forgotten" that killing and beating on innocent people is not right due to a number of societal causes."

Certainly, Marx's theories on alienation etc explain/describe WHY this situation might come about but at the end of the day society members - e.g., Marxist and non-Marxist alike - have to pull their heads of their intellectual asses and deal with the violent murderers in their midst NO MATTER WHAT made them the way they are: the what is happening is MORE IMPORTANT than the WHY it is happening when people are being killed.

Obviously, the people of Ferguson understand they're being screwed economically and have been for years but you know what they ALSO understand?

That the mfing cops just like to whimsically beat and kill them and that this situation has to effing stop NOW.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 2:57:04 PM | 43

Not sure if this been posted:

American cop threat to shot protesters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbR824FKpU

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 20, 2014 3:29:32 PM | 44

@43 JSorrentine,

Though a bit passionate (heh) as usual, well said. I find the notion that we need to take an opportunity here "to broaden our understanding of what is to be done" a bit silly. Anybody posting and reading here is well aware of the big picture issues involved in situations like the one in Ferguson and, sadly, it's not like this situation is all that uncommon in America.

Also, in my experience, the supposedly intellectually limited cops fall more toward the active, knowing participants side of things rather than the helpless pupetts on a string side of things.

Posted by: ks | Aug 20, 2014 3:29:39 PM | 45

@42

Amazing that I addressed your bourgeois/trite defense of effete intellectualism in the face of murderous criminality BEFORE I actually had to read your post, huh?

How could that be?

So, Jim, as most intellectuals fully know even "crude" Marxism - as the saying goes - accurately depicts what is taking place in capitalist societies and has been doing so for well over 100 years.

Could I then ask you and the rest of your seeming erudite coterie: just what "broadening" of philosophy and intellect are we really at a loss for be it here in looking at Ferguson or abroad in looking at the US War of Aggression against the world?

What are the major missing pieces that we just HAVE TO figure out before we can start doing something about it all?

Really, fill us all in. We're waiting.

Personally, I DON'T see many glaring gaps but rather just a lot of Establishment sponsored/condoned debate about what we should be thinking about instead of what we should be doing about it all.

Hey, Jim - to kick of the "discussion" why not tell us what YOU LEARNED in Malooga's post above and how it altered your perceptions - philosophical and otherwise - as to what is going on there?

Please enlighten us with how you've been enlightened.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 3:32:46 PM | 46

Posted by JSorrentine: So, instead of putting the onus of understanding on the rest of society why don't we hold the relatively few individuals completely accountable for the violent crimes they commit?

Well said!

It will stop the violent criminals. We don't have to prove that Son of Sam was crazy and therefore he was not responsible for his crimes. It is the violent criminal who commit violent crimes.

Posted by: Bobby | Aug 20, 2014 3:42:22 PM | 47

Off topic...Fyi....

300 more troops to Iwreck...

http://news.yahoo.com/us-sending-300-more-us-troops-iraq-221911802--politics.html

Posted by: really | Aug 20, 2014 3:46:48 PM | 48

Good post. I think everyone is still missing what is really going on. A majority of local police officers are ex-military and the numbers have been increasing since 9/11 and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq/ Congress has found a way around the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibits the use of U.S. military forces to perform the tasks of civilian law enforcement such as arrest, apprehension, interrogation and detention unless explicitly authorized by Congress. What better way to have an active duty military within civilian law enforcement without making it obvious? Until now anyway. In the year 1997, Congress passed Ronald Regan's (may he rot in hell) pet peeves of giving military hardware to local police through the Defense Department. SWAT teams are now fully armed and used to go after people for minor offenses such as traffic tickets and court summons. This has been going on very slowly but people are starting to pay attention. It's not to late but it's going to have to take the whole country coming together.

Posted by: NewYorker | Aug 20, 2014 3:52:16 PM | 49

Jsorrrentine said,
..."Certainly, Marx's theories on alienation etc explain/describe WHY this situation might come about but a the end of the day society members - e.g., Marxist and non-Marxist alike - have to pull their heads [out] of their intellectual asses and deal with the violent murderers in their midst NO MATTER WHAT made them the way they are: the what is happening is MORE IMPORTANT than the WHY it is happening when people are being killed..."

This is so true. The problem is getting enough of those intellectual asses and non intellectual asses informed and disenfranchised enough to get in the streets and demand real society benefitting change for everyone not just the 1% or some other fraction. The masses of asses have to all be on the same page and understand that they are really on the same side. But tptb won't allow that to happen because of they know wedge issue, dem vs. Repub. bullcrap politik keeps us divided and voting for people who govern only for the interests of the 1%.

Just watch the financial networks and you will see the smug smiles and the all telling look of 'we matter, we make the rules, we benefit from those rules, we change the game when we want, we are above the law, we are untouchable, we are the government, we take what we want, we tell your sons-daughters-brothers-sisters- mothers-fathers-aunts-uncles-nieces-nephews- and friends to fight and die in our wars for profit, we are the law of the globe and you peons can't do a damn thing about it.' This is where we are as a society right now.

Posted by: really | Aug 20, 2014 4:22:20 PM | 50

Matt [36] wrote the following nonsense:

"luca is simply recycling the standard US media narrative that pretends that it is all about the "forensic evidence", and that once we have that we will know "what the cause" of the Ferguson events is, as if we don't already know what the conclusion will be: The police/authorities are always vindicated and left off the hook. In this case to keep open season on the hunt for young Black men."


If there is one thing we can say about the MSM zamerican media in
such cases is that it's for the most part into race-baiting and
the promotion of this false narrative where whites are always evil
and blacks always victims. Hell, there is an entire industry around
race-hoax 'crimes' and the liberal media is a part of it.
This incident stinks up to high heavens and reminds me of the Trayvon
|Martin hoax, where the 'white hispanic' G.Zimmerman* supposedly
executed poor Trayvon out of sheer racism.
*dude was part white, part indian, part black. Had his father been
the peruvian and his surname been Garcia or something the Trayvon affair
would NEVER have ammounted to more than a few lines in the local
newspaper. As the liberal media thought he was white, the whole thing
was blown out of proportion and G.Z was lynched by the media before
the facts were even in.

Sailer puts well:

"Partly this is inherent in the dominant High-Low coalition against the Middle. The Democrats need to hold their coalition together by ginning up hatred of Evil White Men. They can use their dominance of the media to put out the bassline message but they need Incidents, ideally involving white men murdering innocent black babies. But, that just doesn’t happen much, our entire system is obsessed with punishing it when it does happen, and the Obamas and Holders and the press are dependent upon potential examples being brought forward to their attention by mobs exacting pogroms upon convenience stores for snitching. And mobs are notable bad at careful evaluation of the evidence.

Hence, the media’s war on whites keeps turning into one fiasco after another.

It’s time to ask tough questions about the ideological power structure in the modern world. If the power players in charge of molding our worldviews keep humiliating themselves and only preserve their facades of competence by changing the subjects — e.g., Eric Holder now wants to investigate an incident involving the Ferguson PD five years ago — or claiming that more investigation is needed so they don’t have to admit their mistakes — hey, Eric, how’s your investigation into bringing double jeopardy charges against George Zimmerman coming after only 13 months — maybe we a different worldview and a different establishment."

Posted by: Luca K | Aug 20, 2014 4:33:41 PM | 51

Well Brethren, I’ll sleep a little more sounder tonight. I honestly have to admit that I was beginning to believe that we were losing control. Of course not within the rank and file as we’ve had it since our ascendancy eons ago. We’ve always been able to divide the plebs by ethnic, social and racial demonization. But my worries stem from within the less social conditioning prone who’s intellects and artisans who refuse to be conditioned even with the best efforts of our cadres trained in the well developed arts of Bernays. Now with the pernicious publically available technology of world spanning networking and communication possibilities, I feared that some of the more intelligent and aware would see through our programs of diverting attention away from ourselves. The government ploy has been hugely successful of course, as most the common folk dissatisfaction is displaced from our shoulders and onto our unsuspecting minions there.

My worries began when I began to see those more intelligent of the common folk beginning to connect and draw distinctions and conclusions that might begin to unravel our shielding fabric between those pseudo governing and ourselves. The online, free and uncluttered with our distractions site of Moon of Alabama, for example, was one of my biggest worries. But no worries anymore. Even when someone clearly spells and exposed our role, there exists enough horizontal hostility there, whether coincidentally or perpetrated by one of our hired shills, that the original message is diluted enough that so few get it that is of little threat to our maintaining our elite control over the dispossessed.

So sleep well Brethren. We are still and will stay firmly in control in spite of the few who are able to see through our fabrics of disguise. We will not be dislodged in this day and age.

In Brethrenly love,
Baron von Rothschild-Rockefeller

Posted by: juannie | Aug 20, 2014 4:37:52 PM | 52

@51 and @52,

Now that's comedy! Take a bow you too. Luca K's 51 is bigotted nonsense though it's amazing that there are STILL people defending that lunatic Zimmerman.

juannie 's 52, apologies if I missed the intended meaning/sarcasm, but if not, wow! that is a great example of the type of impotent self-congratulatory intellectual puffery that is used to stereotype the left. Well done.

Posted by: ks | Aug 20, 2014 5:11:03 PM | 53

Rosa Clemente: On the Ground In Ferguson MO

Posted by: john francis lee | Aug 20, 2014 5:23:20 PM | 54

Rosa Clemente: On the Ground In Ferguson MO

Posted by: john francis lee | Aug 20, 2014 5:24:38 PM | 55


Most of the time I think the system is completely broken… criminals are in charge… We have Mobster rule in the USA…. And that restoration of rule of law, especially at the top is a must… including penning an entirely new Constitution is in order. That said, I think whether under new or established ideals.. the following issues must be addressed or this country is simply going to blow up. We are not going down nicely like the USSR did. That was miraculous.


What we have long seen is the press can no more fulfill their role than a citizen can safely, peacefully assemble…. this has got to change and it’s the police (the entire system) who should be treating those rights/actions as what is to be protected, to be served above all else. There is no safe way for citizens to express their grievances…. much more, effect change.If police don’t see this as a part of their highest calling, then the system is and has long been FUBAR. Whoever arrests, much more, shoots the press should have been fired immediately…and prosecuted.That goes for arresting peaceful demonstrators too.

It should be tantamount to treason for any part of government to instill “provocateurs” among assembling protestors.

Our persons, papers and effects must be honored and expanded to include digital cameras, phones, digital files etc… whether in our homes or not. It is government which must be deemed fully open-sourced.

The right to “speedy trial” must be honored, established for perhaps the first time ever.

No “debtors imprisonment” even and perhaps especially from the court/probationary part of the establishment. The smallest of offenses can and often do keep human beings locked up in the vicious cycle…. often for no more than minor traffic/insurance times for which a person couldn’t afford to pay to begin with.

Even citizens convicted of a crime should be able to vote. There should be ballot boxes in prisons and jails.

Establish, job/income, health care, food and housing guarantees for all.

Eliminate for profit prisons and jails, for profit anything having to do with assessment or punishment in a criminal matter. Immediately imprison anyone who solicits government for a guarantee of prisoners/state income stream. This includes paying at the very least federal minimum wage and benefits for work performed while imprisoned. Whether picking up trash for a city, or making blue jeans for a company.

A far larger percentage of trial by a jury of ones peers, rather than torturous threats, plea bargains, with way under staffed, under funded public defenders. And jurists must be told upfront all about their ability, indeed their duty to nullify. juryrightsproject.com

Eliminate any and all types of internal investigations.

End the war on drugs. Yes, decriminalize/legalize just about everything.

Bulldoze at least half the jail and prison cells to the ground, nationwide.

Eliminate at least 90 percent of all swat teams… in a manner which doesn’t just rename them and keep the system in tact. Eliminate the term “execute a warrant”.

Eliminate the DEA, Homeland Security… and make damn sure MIC and the CIA never ever turn their attention or wares inward, upon citizens.

Restore and enhance Posse Comitatus.

Never ever train a member of our police or military outside of the USA, or inside by foreign entities.

Guaranteed employment or income. Health care, housing, food too. Whatever the cost… including elimination of treaties such as NAFTA and taxing the hell out of the rich.

Posted by: Eureka Springs | Aug 20, 2014 5:28:08 PM | 56

@53 ks..yes, i think you missed the nature of juannie's comment..what juannie is saying is very real and a part of the present problem/situation too -... well said jaunnie..

Posted by: james | Aug 20, 2014 5:32:25 PM | 57

@53 juannie

Now that is rich. That took back in time to the gilded age of the robber barons, bank titans, and railroad kings, etc.....wait....we never left the gilded age...damn.

Posted by: really | Aug 20, 2014 5:43:54 PM | 58

@53 james,

Ah, I thought that might be it. In any case, now/then, same as it ever was. There's always been people who saw the bigger picture throughout the ages.

The really interesting, and scary, thing at the moment is that the folks who we may think don't know and need to be informed, actually do know and just don't care or don't care enough as long as they get a piece of the action. Now sure, they may not know it in an elegant fashion and probably won't be able to write a thesis about it but, I suspect they may know more than we think. In the end, while the puppet masters may pull the strings, the puppets do have some agency.

Posted by: ks | Aug 20, 2014 6:04:57 PM | 59

Hey, JSorrentine-- and your seemingly proud coterie of doers beyond time for thinking because you have already done all the necessary thinking(and of course your thinking is not effete intellectualism) but the truth-- which cannot be questioned---what are your doer solutions to the present situation in Ferguson and in the US?

Posted by: Jim | Aug 20, 2014 6:05:37 PM | 60

'Myths and stories are far safer fare.'

Malooga cant have read Joseph Campbell

Posted by: brian | Aug 20, 2014 6:24:43 PM | 61

"what are your doer solutions to the present situation in Ferguson and in the US?"

1) Stop wasting time esoterically arguing about why this crap happens and maybe start a campaign for - oh, I don't know - violent criminal collaborators to stop MURDERING/BEATING ON other human beings? Or is that just too provincial for you?

Here's how you can work the topic into all those discussion/debates I'm sure you just love:

Analyst: Obviously, if it wasn't for the latent homosexual tendencies of law enforcement officials coupled with their neo-Malthusian worldview especially when confronting hyper-populated communities, none of this violence would have EVER happened...

JSore: Don't effing care. These violent collaborators are common effing murderers and there is no excuse and no mitigating factor for what they did. They deserve swift condemnation and justice. There is no excuse for unnecessarily taking a human life or causing harm to someone.

Analyst: But think of their helicopter parents, their need for social acceptance, their broken homes, their psychological traumas....

JSore: Don't effing care. These violent collaborators are common effing murderers and there is no excuse and no mitigating factor for what they did. They deserve swift condemnation and justice. There is no excuse for unnecessarily taking a human life or causing harm to someone.

Analyst: Obviously, you weren't Ivy or you would easily understand that what we are witnessing is Adlerian power dynamics writ large, the push and pull of Jungian anima/animus forces at play...

JSore: Don't effing care. These violent collaborators are common effing murderers and there is no excuse and no mitigating factor for what they did. They deserve swift condemnation and justice. There is no excuse for unnecessarily taking a human life or causing harm to someone.

Analyst: But what about the drugs, violence, poverty, the ghetto, gangs, blah blah blah...

JSore: Don't effing care. These violent collaborators are common effing murderers and there is no excuse and no mitigating factor for what they did. They deserve swift condemnation and justice. There is no excuse for unnecessarily taking a human life or causing harm to someone.

Do you understand, Jim?

At such a dangerous time in the US - one where we are probably already PAST the point of other previous full-blown fascist societies - where it seemingly is IMPOSSIBLE for people to remember that killing/harming unarmed people is wrong, MAYBE we're gonna HAVE TO START at the effing rudiments.

America apparently needs to (re?)learn that effing killing/harming unarmed people is NOT an acceptable behavior NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE and WHEREVER the crimes may occur - i.e.,domestically and/or internationally.

Maybe if we as a society can learn that ONE EFFING lesson we can move onto ANOTHER lesson but I'm afraid that we might be stuck on this one for a while.

Thus, do you see how very faaaaaaar away from all of the intellectual talky-talk American society is?

Do you see why I don't give a crap for the eggheaded banter?

It's because I live in a country that does NOT know - in fact wholeheartedly CONDONES - that the killing/harming of unarmed people is wrong anymore.

We have to start really basic if we are going to get anywhere and when I say basic it doesn't really get much more basic than DON'T EFFING KILL PEOPLE.

Now you and your coterie can help, Jim, by NOT diverting the attention of "students'" who are attempting to relearn this lesson through the complexifying and muddling of the issue/situation.

Just pass along the message "Stop Effing Killing People" and keep your pointy-headed banter for the staff lounge.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 6:37:09 PM | 62

"Stop wasting time esoterically arguing about why this crap happens and maybe start a campaign for-oh I don't know--violent criminal collaborators to stop murdering/beating on other human beings? Or is that just too provincial for you."

Great suggestion--why do you think, after all these years, this hasn't happened in any significant way already?

Posted by: Jim | Aug 20, 2014 7:00:04 PM | 63

Anyone who feels the same as Jsore should tune in here. This program is not for the mealy mouthed or lily livered. It is raw and to the point. Showtime at 9pm est.

http://www.mikemalloy.com/

http://www.mikemalloy.com/listen-live/

Posted by: really | Aug 20, 2014 7:09:20 PM | 64

@61


why do you think, after all these years, this hasn't happened in any significant way already?

Ummmm, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess the most massive and refined propaganda system in the history of human civilization, Jim.

Y'know, that system that feeds unending dosages of nonsense into the minds of people - the erudite and unwashed alike - so that they aren't able to even realize that they themselves are being murdered and stolen from much less that they shouldn't do such things to others?

So, yes, while my idea may seem naive and stupid to many - oops, forgot the first PRE-step, turn off the crapbox (TV), get off your effing devices, separate yourself as much as possible from the MSM, etc - the only way ANYTHING is going to happen is that people have to realize that yes indeedily things ARE actually A LOT simpler than we are led to believe - especially if you don't have a bunch of phonies telling you that it is not the case.

You have to fix your mind before you can fix anything and that is why nothing has been accomplished yet.

Well-meaning people THINK that they are "fixing" their minds by supposedly "informing" themselves of the nefarious actions of the US and its violent collaborative minions when in all actuality they are actually WASTING their time as the same criminals are committing the same crimes all the while they are being conditioned to accept said crimes due to a wild-goose chase of nuance and detail.

For example, why do you think the MSM "analysts" get paid so much, Jim?

If you answered that their are very important pieces of the propaganda delivery system then you get a gold star.

Next question: so if these well-paid whores are straight-up propagandists then WHY are people believing a effing word that they are saying? Why are they allowing these people to frame society's debates for them? Why are we sincerely commenting on why this person is right or wrong instead of immediately recognizing that it's entire purpose is to deflect our attention AWAY from simple ideas like:

You are being effing killed and stolen from by TPTB.

and

Don't effing kill etc other people.

So while the bourgeois fake left continues to both follow the cues of its propagandist minders and look for/chase after "solutions" that they've been told are necessarily "complex" AND "realistic" - don't forget realistic, the fake left LOVES that word - while simultaneously scaring people AWAY from speaking of revolution and all of those other abandoned concepts that might help them - as obviously we would necessarily - again, so they tell us - have to have another Stalin or Pol Pot - we can all just watch our society melt away into murderous oblivion because thinking simplistically is just beneath us and "unrealistic".

Is that good enough, Jimbo, or do I need to quote Bourdieu or something?

To recap my plan:

1) Turn off the propaganda and stop giving credence murderous liars and their minions.

2) Realize that you are being killed and stolen from and turned into killers and thieves.

Could it really be that simple? Well, you asked me for what I thought would help and that's it for now.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 8:07:25 PM | 65

US Attorney General Arrives in Ferguson


At the same time, good law enforcement requires forging bonds of trust between the police and the public. This trust is all-important, but it is also fragile. It requires that force be used in appropriate ways.

The Obama/Holder history of using force is abrogating the 1st, 4th. 6th and 7th amendments, droning Muslim 'suspects', and destroying countries, laying them waste, in order to enhance the relative power of the USA.

And now he's in Ferguson to show the people who put Oreos Numbers 1 & 2 in power that they are the real, double stuf thing.

But maybe I'm wrong ... about Ferguson. Waiting to see.

Posted by: john francis lee | Aug 20, 2014 8:19:49 PM | 66

Obama looked angry today as he talked about ISIS. The talkinghead said he showed how much feeling he has. But why was there no public expression of feeling for others in past weeks over the beheadings in the thousands, heads piked on fences endlessly in city squares? Why was he so exercised over the murdered journalist? Why when Obama talked about MH17 in the early stages when literally nothing was known except hundreds were dead, did he say ‘We waiting to see if this was a tragedy’.

Why, why, why…..because of Nationalism and Patriotism. You see it’s not a tragedy if no Americans died on MH17. It’s not a tragedy if beheadings occur every minute, but if an American is beheaded there will be Hell to pay.

Nationalism is a terrible thing..

Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 20, 2014 8:39:07 PM | 67

The problem with Sorrentine's calls for vengeance and punishment, is that they are merely words. No agency is suggested beyond the improbable event that the world will wake up to J's call and do what he urges.
His are the politics of impotence. They could not be further from Marx's actual practice which involved enormous amounts of careful empirical study (waste of time in Sorrentine's sad corner where ignorance is celebrated) and the careful building of political networks with a very wide variety of individuals and groups with whom he had little in common. The Marx who built the First International was not a sectarian, nor was the man who wrote for the New York Tribune.

Sorrentine @30
"I'm not even going to address - much - a noted Zionist apologist such as yourself - remember the Presbyterians run the American media gambit you pulled a while back, bevin? Classic. - read from his own playbook in hopes of flame-baiting me. I mean really, bevin, when did you write that post? last month? It must have been so very hard to keep it in your pants for so long. Congratulations, I'm just so peeved."

This is a perfect example of your dishonesty; " remember the Presbyterians run the American media gambit you pulled a while back, bevin?" Yes I do remember the remark I made to the effect that the US media is not owned by Jews. And that in actual fact a far stronger case could be made that it was owned by Presbyterians (such as Murdoch) and protestants, with the caveat that, in recent years, there have been very large investments by Saudi princes and, famously, a Lebanese Mexican businessman recently put up half a billion dollars for the NY Times. I was arguing that the media does not support Israel because it is owned by Jews but because the maintenance of Israel is a central part of imperialist strategy in the world.
As to the rest of your remarks, you delude yourself if you imagine that I have any interest in provoking you to another outburst. Nothing could be further from the truth: I only wish that you would calm down and think, instead of adopting this Know Nothing, lightly sprinkled with ex cathedra pronouncements about Marxism, persona.

The question is not whether this is right or wrong-on which there is no real disagreement- but what is to be done about it. I'm still waiting to hear what you suggest. Beyond of course your advice to Jim:
"Just pass along the message "Stop Effing Killing People" and keep your pointy-headed banter for the staff lounge."

As to when I wrote the post, the answer is that I wrote it around 11.54 am. The remarks on Hasbara I saw yesterday, I forget where but they immediately made me think of your penchant for abuse and disruption.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 20, 2014 8:41:32 PM | 68

Palestinians may have hope if US does not veto the request to ICC.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/what-would-happen-if-palestine-joined-international-criminal-court/13783#comment-23422

Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 20, 2014 9:15:23 PM | 69

@Bevin 66. Thanks for your contributions to this site, Bevin. I really appreciate them.

Onto police. the fact that they're legally allowed to screen out applicants who score too high on their entrance tests says a lot. They have a lot of questions that disqualify applicants during the interview phase. like "have you ever smoked marijuana." The honest person who says yes is automatically disqualified. The sociopath, or simply the person who understands how to game the system, lies. More wannabe tough guy cops are in, and intelligent people who would actually like to help are weeded out.

The fish rots from the head. Chiefs generally are installed according to the political party in charge, and how much boot licking they've done. So if your politicians are the typical backroom deal types, the police department will take on that same air of impunity.

Posted by: Crest | Aug 20, 2014 9:41:51 PM | 70

M U R D E R

Video of St.Louis cops executing Kajieme Powell on Aug 19. Death squads. Very violent, very disturbing. Shoot first, cuff him later.

I fear for every black man in America.

Posted by: ess emm | Aug 20, 2014 9:46:30 PM | 71

Oh and I forgot to add, lots of departments have mandated college degrees. This has led to an explosion in the "criminal justice" major, which is as fake and useless as "communications" and things that college football players major in. It came to prominence after big grants from Richard Nixon's Safe Streets Act in 1968 Which is quite a bill. You can see, more funding for FBI riot control, studies of social causes of crime, specific instructions to judges that Miranda warnings actually weren't necessary, and a ban on interstate gun sales. The grants set up for criminal justice led to its expansion to colleges across the united states.

Unlike criminology, there was no anthropology of crime for the criminal justice major. There was more like an indoctrination with how the justice system worked, why it was good, and why criminals were bad people. Now a majority of cops have this certificate. And they attend police training that's more like military boot camp than the old academy model.

Militarized cops, without proper training in community interactions, with the smart and compassionate people screened out, acting in all ways like the followers of the original private London docks police they are, defending capital at all costs and treating the working class like feral dogs. It's no good. It can be fixed, but it would require massive political and systemic reforms.

Posted by: Crest | Aug 20, 2014 9:54:00 PM | 72

Jesus Christ! Video of Kajieme Powell executed by police death squad not more than 4 miles from where Mike Brown executed.

And I'm supposed to be frightened of ISIS??

Posted by: ess emm | Aug 20, 2014 10:07:09 PM | 73

I would second what Jim said. I know his heart in in the right place, but I do question the psychology of someone who comes to fight and accuse and tear down people who have every reason to agree with him - especially in a world full of CIA agents, Israelis, and actual real life nazis. Especially to accuse others of "intellectualizing" when, obviously, that's all he is doing as well albeit a bit more "vigorously". But there is no evidence that JSore's intellectualizing in its LOUD EFFING tone is any more convincing than bevins thoughtful, history-oriented ones. Even if he clearly thinks it is. Even if he clearly thinks he's the only person who actually cares about murder (certainly he's the only one in his computer chair that does). But its bullshit, of course. And there will be no end to the empire by screaming more loudly than the next guy on the internet. It. Just. Won't. Happen.

There is also no reason to declare that bevin - who has made some powerful anti-Empire, anti-Israel statements on a daily basis - is the same as Mark Regev and scum like that. That's really not fair. If you want to argue about who owns the media, go for it. But do you really think bevin is a secret Israeli? After all he's said? Its fucking stupid. And forget crone of course. As far as I can tell she probably screams "neocon" at the neighborhood squirrels.

Though, I don't agree with you, bevin, to bring up that JSore is being intentionally disruptive. I think he's just being a jerk and you ought to be used to it by now.

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 20, 2014 10:10:05 PM | 74

@66 bevin

If you would like people to review how prisele$$/effoff completely and utterly embarrassed you a couple of weeks ago concerning your ridiculous - and "dishonest", funny how you now use the same labels he did in that thread, huh? - defense of Zionism in a thread that I did not even participate in, then they can review the transcript.

I was being nice not linking to it earlier, really I was, but I guess people should see how that day ended for you. Oh well. Seriously, I've been trying to not stoop to your level but the Hasbara Handbook? That's weak sauce, dude.

As concerns your consistent need to jump into conversations that I am having with other people and flame-bait me and your consistent need to attempt to call b's attention to my supposed disruption and abuse I will continue to ignore you on both accounts.

No one likes passive/aggressive people, bevin, especially me, thus, when someone tells me that I'm guilty of trying to somehow - through my Internet "words"(?) - force people to do my bidding all the while they demand that I "calm down and think" - i.e., heed THEIR commands - I can only think that said person is not someone I should be conversing with as they either 1) weren't thinking through what they were posting - e.g. in a hurry or 2) ARE INDEED the passive/aggressive type of person I so sincerely dislike.

I'll choose 1 for now so that we don't need to have another priceless debacle do we?

Tootles.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 10:12:25 PM | 75

@66 bevin

If you would like people to review how another poster completely and utterly embarrassed you a couple of weeks ago concerning your ridiculous - and "dishonest", funny how you now use the same labels he did in that thread, huh? - defense of Zionism in a thread that I did not even participate in, then they can review the transcript.

I was being nice not linking to it earlier, really I was, but I guess people should see how that day ended for you. Oh well. Seriously, I've been trying to not stoop to your level but the Hasbara Handbook? That's weak sauce, dude.

As concerns your consistent need to jump into conversations that I am having with other people and flame-bait me and your consistent need to attempt to call b's attention to my supposed disruption and abuse I will continue to ignore you on both accounts.

No one likes passive/aggressive people, bevin, especially me, thus, when someone tells me that I'm guilty of trying to somehow - through my Internet "words"(?) - force people to do my bidding all the while they demand that I "calm down and think" - i.e., heed THEIR commands - I can only think that said person is not someone I should be conversing with as they either 1) weren't thinking through what they were posting - e.g. in a hurry or 2) ARE INDEED the passive/aggressive type of person I so sincerely dislike.

I'll choose 1 for now so that we don't need to have another debacle do we?

Tootles.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 10:14:40 PM | 76

Adding:

Ooops, transcript link for your review, bevin. Sad.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 20, 2014 10:16:42 PM | 77

On dealing with Nazis

Bevin = op-ed
JSorentine = baseball bats

Bevin's method is ineffective given the opponent

Posted by: ess emm | Aug 20, 2014 10:39:42 PM | 78

@ess emm[69]

Quit the act... you know who kill most black men in Zamerica?
Other black men. This is a FACT.

If a person is armed - in Kajieme Powell's case a knife - and the
person threateningly aproaches the police of course they are going
to shoot! That's NOT an execution. If Powell had not aproached the
cops with a knife he'd be alive.

Posted by: Luca K | Aug 20, 2014 10:43:07 PM | 79

a diary - an accumulation of music, tweets and info ~ I recommend

http://my.firedoglake.com/wendydavis/2014/08/20/a-folk-rap-rock-police-state-opera-for-ferguson-beyond-with-libretto/#comment-289775

Posted by: crone | Aug 20, 2014 10:44:13 PM | 80

All this commentary started when luca k asked, "Why don't you people wait for all the facts to come in?" He should have been answered with another question, "What makes you think that all the facts are going to come in?"

The answer can't be based on experience. I have an experience-based expectation that other drivers will stay on the correct side of the road. I have that expectation whether the other driver is rich or poor, smart or dumb, young or old. I've been right about 99.99% of the time. No matter what has happened in the other drivers' lives from birth or the present day, they are sane enough to understand that they should drive in the correct lane.

Compare this near certainty to the expectation that the relevant facts will emerge when police behavior is investigated by other police, state and federal bureaus of investigation, state and federal attorneys general, etc. Justice is enjoyed primarily by those who can afford it. The shooter knows how the game is played and will have the advantage during the investigation and, if necessary, in the courthouse.

Facts have a habit of not coming out during investigations and trials. Years can pass before the discovery of concealed evidence, suppressed testimony, false testimony, false evidence and procedural irregularities. The system is slow and imperfect. Sometimes the guilty walk away, and sometimes the innocent are forced to cop a plea. The outcome is not certain.

When people passively wait for facts to come in tptb have more freedom to conclude whatever they want to conclude. On the other hand, tptb are constrained when facts become known prior to the conclusion of the investigation. For this reason tptb are already less free to conclude that shooting Michael Brown six times was righteous in any sense of the word.

People can't passively wait for facts to come in because the media is unreliable at a watchdog. They're happier to be a lap dog of tptb and to spin the story. If the people don't press for the facts then tptb can and will control the story.

Pressing for facts is not a perfect check and balance, but it is better than doing nothing.

Posted by: SingingSam | Aug 20, 2014 10:50:22 PM | 81

First even though the subject is Powell's murder Luka K tries to distract with a shiny object: black on black killings!

And Luka K has all the facts about Kajieme Powell. Of course police are going to shoot says Luka K. 8 times. No other options are even thinkable. TINA.

Please do not engage with me anymore.

Posted by: ess emm | Aug 20, 2014 11:16:01 PM | 82

Michael Brown Family Lawyer Makes False Claim about Autopsy Findings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qPPsuX4HGo&list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dQ-WqO5qPPJiJul1zQvgsnG
How come Crump is still allowed to practice law?

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Aug 20, 2014 11:17:09 PM | 83

@ 76

St. Louis Police Release Video Of Kajieme Powell Killing That Appears At Odds With Their Story

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

This is the link for the video where Powell was shot... Powell had his arms down by his side, no knife visible, the police car drove up, there was no word from Powell except "oh sh#T they got guns, oh sh#t, and then the sound of several shots.

Ferguson police lie and lie and lie...

Posted by: crone | Aug 20, 2014 11:21:37 PM | 84

Ferguson police act with impunity... because they know white people support them, therefore the politicians support them...

Just as the Israelis act with impunity... killing Palestinians, because they know they can get away with it.

So, what's going to happen when the economy goes bust, and the EBT cards don't work, and the militarized police start rounding up all the poor hungry people... when they wake up then?

Posted by: crone | Aug 20, 2014 11:27:45 PM | 85

Mr.Malooga used many fancy words but did not address any of the
issues I raised.

Folks have made several points re what happened in Ferguson.
Some go something like this;

1. 'Brown was executed. He represented no threat to the officer.'

That is IF the 4 liewitnesses stories had checked out but they did not.
They contradicted each other and the autopsy report.
The cops version tough, seems to be consistent with the autopsy.

2. 'racism!' 'white supremacism!'

Yawnnn, BS. No evidence to back that up.


3. ' this is because of the militarization of the police and police
brutality'.

While these are serious issues which are linked to the war on drugs and
the fake war on terror, in the case of Browns shooting, there does not
appear to be a link. Brown seems to have made a series of very poor
decisions which got him killed.


4. 'killer cop! murderer!'

A lot of people here clearly seem to live in MickeyMouse world, alice
in wonderlands or something.
At this stage, nobody knows exactly what happened. IF the officer's
version - which based on limited evidence is the one which makes most
sense - IS CORRECT, then he was JUSTIFIED in shooting Brown.
If Brown assaulted the cop in his vehicle, then tried to run alway, then,
as the cop told him to stop, he turned around and charged him, I
can tell you the officer in fact had little option but to shoot
and as Brown appears to have kept coming even as hit in the arm
- because clearly he did NOT HAVE HIS ARMS UP - to keep shooting.
If Brown had closed with the cop and managed to take his gun, he
could have killed him. Bottom line; if you don't want to get shot
by police officers, do not assault them. A lot of folks here seem to
have no real idea of what a violent encounter looks and feels like.
The police have to deal with it on a regular basis. It's not an
easy job.

5. 'Blacks represent a disproportionate percentage of prison population, usa.'
'and that is racism too!'

True, they are a disproportionate percentage of the prison population
because they commit a disproportionate amount of the crime.

6. 'white racism keeps the black man down' sort of nonsense.

Methinks that if there is one country where black people have received
a LOT of help to improve their situation, it's ZUSA.
Gazillions of dollars have been spent on all sorts of policies,
unfair affirmative action policies have been ongoing for decades, etc.
You guys think they have it bad? Travel around the world to see how
they actually have it pretty good. How come many people, say the Chinese,
go to ZUSA and within a little while are doing well at school, work,etc?
I saw data the other day showing how chinese americans today earn more,
on average, than whites.
The tough reality is that, to a considerable degree, many of black Americas
problems are self-inflicted.

Posted by: Luca K | Aug 20, 2014 11:34:37 PM | 86

Luca, the autopsy shows that Brown was shot with his arms raised in front of him and if you look at the cell phone videos taken right after the scene, Wilson has no facial injuries.

So, in fact, you are full of shit. And a racist who accepts what people in authority tell him over the (consistent, despite your lie) testimony of people who actually saw the shooting go down.

Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2014 12:04:37 AM | 87

@80

That video is full of shit. Dr. Baden says that the injuries could potentially be consistent with Brown charging the officer, not that Brown didn't have his arms raised. Those are two different claims that the youtuber is conflating, either out of ignorance or malice I can't say.

Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2014 12:09:26 AM | 88

"Bottom line; if you don't want to get shot
by police officers, do not assault them."

lol, Law of Holes. Oh, there's a bottomer one. If you don't want to get shot by police officers, shoot them first.

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 21, 2014 12:14:16 AM | 89

The idea that Michael Brown was shot charging Officer Wilson is ludicrous. Michael brown was 6'8". If Brown was standing, he'd need to be totally doubled over in order for Wilson's shot to hit the top of his head. Who the fuck charges anyone like that?

Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2014 12:18:46 AM | 90

Chinese Americans in the US earn more than whites because there is a severe screening process which ensures that Chinese immigrants to the US tend to be far better educated and/or wealthy than the average American.

The former is brain drain, the latter is rich people wanting to live in nicer places.

Hardly either rocket science or proof of anything systemically superior other than being a rich country. The above could equally have been said for other world powers in past empires.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 21, 2014 12:22:57 AM | 91

can't believe this latest shooting yesterday - the edited version of the cellphone video they showed on the local stations made it look even that much more unnecessary - two cops with guns drawn feeling threatened by one guy with a little knife? absurd

stl police are trying to diffuse the tension by acting more transparent - but we'll see if that gains any traction given the video of this execution

wrt ferguson, big push from some of the propagendists and their useful idiots to blame outside agitators ie communists and black panthers for stirring up the locals - aa press here is certainly buying into it

carl dix, interviewed on kpfa wednesday, compared the tactic to bull conner's evocation of 'everything would be alright if it weren't for these outsiders coming in and giving our negros dangerous ideas'

certainly seems like we're in the early stages of a renewed civil rights movement - and the pigs are dumb enough to keep shooting first

Posted by: b real | Aug 21, 2014 12:58:40 AM | 92

re: #Ferguson, within a single week @AntonioFrench has gone from citizen admirably reporting on what was happening on the ground because no one else was, to cop hasbara-agent, to despicable asshole claiming the murder of Kajieme Powell is legally justified. Sell out or always was one?

Posted by: ess emm | Aug 21, 2014 1:22:30 AM | 93

In b's always-useful blog, and the sometimes-useful comments of selected commenters who've proved their value, I deal with commenters like J.S. by >always< checking the name of the commenter >first<, and then habitually skipping over the entire comment unread, if it's one of the known loonies/trolls/hasbarollocksers/poor-quality intellects/infantile swearers and insulters/etc. Saves a whole lot of time, energy, and wasted attention. Keeps the discussion focussed and actually useful to adults. (BTW, it would help a great deal if the commenter's name were at the top of the comment, rather than the bottom.)

And how do I know who's worth reading and who isn't? That comes very clear pretty soon, after an initial period spent sampling the input of the regular commenters. (Newcomers always get judged on their merits, of course)

As Bevin suggests, basic grown-up courtesy and reasonably-restrained language always make for a useful discussion leading to further insight for all, whereas infantile, contempt-and-profanity-laden shouting matches are simply a waste of life: strictly for idiot wankers. John Michael Greer runs an exemplary blog in this respect: Ruthlessly moderated, with only grown-up comments getting through, even when they disagree quite strongly with JM's own views. And he reads AND REPLIES TO all comments. Now that produces some really useful, adult, and highly enlightening conversations!

Thanks Malooga: this was good stuff. Thanks Bevin, always good stuff from you too.

J. who?

Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Aug 21, 2014 1:49:24 AM | 94

ANOTHER brother named Brown,
Prosecutors charged 29-year-old Ali Muhammad Brown on Wednesday with first-degree aggravated murder in the April 27 shooting of 30-year-old Leroy Henderson, of Seattle. Brown was earlier charged with aggravated murder in the June 1 shooting deaths of two young men in Seattle.

In August in Newark, New Jersey, Brown pleaded not guilty to killing a college student.
In Brown's statements to detectives show he committed the four murders "behind the common motive of vengeance for acts of wrongdoing committed by the government of the United States, alleging four killings are part of a "bloody crusade" to exact vengeance against the U.S. government for its foreign policies.

Posted by: Sycamore Tree | Aug 21, 2014 3:05:14 AM | 95

What facts do we honor?-- is probably the question to ask about the events in Ferguson. And yet, if there is certainty about anything, it won't come from a demagogic appeal to our emotions. This is absolutely useless where any appreciation of facts is concerned

Because Malooga describes the attitudes of police, psychologically, as resistant to change, and predictable to some degree in terms of future choices and outcomes, he is accused of intellectualizing here; and another temper tantrum is offered instead of debate, by an excitable figure with whom we are familiar;--and it is as if the observation that Malooga made in good faith-- is equated with condoning such police behavior.

But what we have come to expect is not exactly what happened in Ferguson.

In the United States, there was finally some social pushback on the streets, against the excesses of our militarized police. There was a tragic attempt made by the authorities in Ferguson to manipulate public perception, after one of their police killed an unarmed black teenager, Michael Brown, by releasing a video of this kid's petty theft of cigars and his manhandling of a convenience store clerk, shortly before Brown was shot.

The cynicism and brutality of this tactic backfired; and the public ought to appreciate a comparison to the Trayvon Martin case in Florida, where the system can produce no justice for a black teenager who was doing no more than walking home at night, murdered by the paranoid Zimmerman, who fantasized about becoming a cop, and was playing cop one night, as he was stalking the unlucky kid.

When it was reported, a few days later, that there is overwhelming support in Congress for continuing with our cult of authority and domination, a specter of military occupation parading around us; the facts have spoken.

But because the nation can see that the rage of the police, in Ferguson, is directed at the entire community, they can understand the iconic picture of this history, a photograph that captures a group of Ferguson police leveling their assault rifles at someone else, an unarmed person, with hands up. In this history the cops scream at the crowds, calling them animals. As if for war, they come kitted out with helmets and pounds of body armor.

Posted by: Copeland | Aug 21, 2014 3:56:55 AM | 96

Thanks everyone for all the feedback.

First, when I started writing my post to respond to Luca last night, I just wrote the first line. Then I thought and wrote the second line. I kept adding thoughts as they came to me, and that’s how the piece got written. I did not plan where I was going to go with my thoughts, and to tell you the truth, I myself was rather surprised with where I ended up. But that often happens when I write. Both jsore and really had some problems with the end of my piece, and to tell you the truth, I wanted to add a few more paragraphs to bring the piece back into focus a bit more. But it was 4 AM and my eyes were closing on their own, so I left it and posted. Neither did I have any idea that I would awake to find it headlined -- if I were writing a headline post I would at least put it aside for several hours and then reread it and see if it needed some editing.

An excellent companion piece to mine: The Three Tipping Points in Ferguson.

jsore calls my piece an "Ode to Fascist Murderers," and elsewhere a “paean to criminal collaborators.” That gave me a good laugh! I can only think that it was a willful misreading of the piece, since it was certainly not my intention to justify the actions of violent police. What I felt I did do was contextualize that violence and elaborate on the nature of the forces behind it.

My last three paragraphs were:

And that brings us back to the police. Under the conditions I have just detailed, under the impossible constraints they forced to endure, how can they not be violent, at least some of the time. And how can they, as an organized force, not be violent in a systematic manner. Perhaps not all the time, but more often than not the social forces which police work under these days force violence to be propagated down in a systematic and totalizing manner.

And it is the awareness of all that I have described that causes many commenters here to reflexively assume police lies and violence to be ubiquitous. I hope that this is more understandable now. It is not a judgment of an individual’s (the cop who shot Michael Brown) -- who one obviously doesn’t know well -- moral value, rather it is an holistic appraisal of the social and material conditions of our society today, in which the American underclass, and their handlers, seek to operate.

Therefore, as for the police themselves, yes, perhaps out of the many hundreds of cases a year like this of police murder, corruption, assault, brutality, cover-up, bribery, theft, etc., there are possibly a few that were accidental, unintentional, or even false charges. If that were to be the case -- which appears practically impossible -- the facts would get out -- unless the cop were being intentionally set up. But, to focus on this petty detail, and insist upon its importance to the bigger picture, is to miss that bigger picture altogether. I hope we can all see this.

Attempting to explain violence neither condones nor justifies that violence -- I believe I am clear enough on this. Asking how the police can NOT be violent is clearly a rhetorical devise used in building my argument. I am supporting the commentators who implicitly assume police lies -- this is clear from previous posts of mine on the same thread. And I don’t make any pronouncements on Officer Wilson because I don’t discuss any evidence in this piece -- it simply wasn’t where I was going. To fault me for this is like those book reviewers who might pan a history of WWII humor because it does not discuss the reasons for the war.

Furthermore, while the system attempts to create automatons which it can use for its purposes, I believe very strongly that people have free will and can make choices on how they intend to relate to the system of entrenched violence. Not always clear black and white choices, but certainly better and worse choices. None of us is without sin in this world: we are all conscious that we are reading this post on hardware made with sweat labor. But none of us has recently gone out and unloaded 6 quick ones in someone who was bothering us. This element of free will would have been a nice way of summing up my argument. I did not intend to give the impression that I was making what “really” has called “a rationale that the police are not culpable due to the fact their "overlords" control them completely mind, body and soul.”

Now, to get back to jsore’s other 14 posts: Yes, I do live in the US. Yes, I am very familiar with retail theft and police and street violence. I grew up in NYC in the 60‘s and mostly lived there through the early 90‘s. I was a street peddler in midtown Manhattan for five years and owned about five retail stores over the years. I could go on for pages about my experiences and share many interesting stories -- indeed it’s a miracle I am still alive -- but that is not the point of this post. I will say one thing -- I had many people steal many things from my businesses, and I could not imagine calling the police for two sodas and a donut, as Kajieme Powell allegedly stole. And if someone were killed because I complained about a $2 loss to me, I wouldn’t be able to live with myself. I only called the police once, when a theft was in the hundreds of (1980’s) dollars, and even there the police laughed at me and asked what I expected them to do. Times have changed -- and not for the better.

“C-O-L-L-A-B-O-R-A-T-O-R-S” Sure, it works for me.

jsore, I do value your presence on this blog for your ability to essentialize the heart of the matter. But that hardly makes the rest of us fools for going beyond that in our thoughts. You state, “but a the end of the day society members... have to pull their heads [out] of their intellectual asses and deal with the violent murderers in their midst ” -- I doubt anyone in this society would find that controversial. So why scream it? Yes, criminals should be prosecuted. And carpenters shouldn’t keep hitting nails after they are buried in the plank. No one wants to watch a poor carpenter bang away to no effect. In other words, when a power tool squeals, people plug their ears. But, do what you want, after all, you will anyway.

Elsewhere:

luca:
I believe your belief system is so far from mine and so tightly held, that there is little I can say to convince you. Having lived on an 85% black island in the West Indies for seven years, I have no fear of whites being in the minority in this country. I don’t think it will change anything. The police were corrupt down there, but no more so than here -- and, it being a small island where people know each other, they were far less violent. If you are still fearful of becoming a minority, I advise you to treat others well; therefore they will have no desire to treat you ill when they hold the reins of power. The narrative that “whites are always evil and blacks always victims” is in your mind. I am addressing power relations in my piece, not race relations; it matters little the color of the cop. It might be more accurate to state that the poor are always victims of the rich. As far as black vs. white crime statistics and affirmative action money, you will have to visit other websites and read books that challenge your beliefs more and think critically about what you read. Make a few black friends and drive around with them at night.(Yes, affirmative action was a divide and conquer technique, as Michael Parenti points out. In your case it seems to have worked. Why not a society with opportunity for all, instead of fighting each other on the ground for crumbs?) Then and only then can you come to an informed opinion. Steve Sailor is not god. I spend most of my time reading things I disagree with to expand and challenge my thinking. I find little purpose in reading what I already know as inner reinforcement. Your mileage may vary. If you are still worried and believe that we might need some ethnic cleansing to remain in the majority in the US, I advise you to take one of those Ukrainian “safaris” that are so popular these days. That will either cure you of the fear, or relieve you of your mortal coil.

*6 black men have been killed by police this month so far in the US.
*for jsore’s enjoyment: “Holocaust Survivor Arrested at Non-Violent Michael Brown Assembly Downtown”
*maxcrat: war on nature, yes.
*criminal justice studies: yes, very good point, heavy propaganda. Isn’t the phrase “criminal justice” an oxymoron anyway?
*don bacon Police: Protect and Serve (seen on their cruisers): True, but who? They protect their own, not the public, so technically it is not a lie.
*NewYorker: posse comitatus, absolutely.
* Eureka Springs: list of good ideas

*"They shouldn’t have used so many bullets." Setting the terms of the debate -- how many bullets -- rather than stating that no one in there right mind, especially a trained specialist, a cop, should have used any bullets at all. For decades, English police managed perfectly well without any guns. (No weapons needed is like the idea of full employment -- the powers that be set what Chomsky calls the ”bounds of the permissible” -- therefore, being beyond the boundaries, the idea is simply inconceivable. )


*Noirette: Interesting piece of propaganda, the clip on Watts. Everyone should watch it. I never would have picked this up before studying the color revolution techniques, but the narrator mentions the presence of sniper rifles killing people from rooftops (Syria, Egypt), followed a minute later by the image of a soldier in camos walking by with a sniper rifle in his arms. I am certain that a strategy of tension was in place then to maximize the violence and damage. I should go back and study this. We face the same thing in St. Louis today: Intentional shock and awe to escalate the stakes and push the poor back into the gutter. The question is -- in these days of social media, will it work. As I said in my more interesting post yesterday: “Soft Power meets Hard Power on West Florissant Avenue.” Will the notion of inherent US goodness be irremediably damaged by the images of police violence going out around the world -- or has the empire taken a page from the Israelis, and cares only about fear alone. We saw how well that worked with Hezbollah.

*juan moment: “Whats the use of a police officer who initiates a situation in which he claims the only way out alive for him was by killing an unarmed teenager? What do they teach cops these days at cop school?”

This is the whole point. In all my years on the streets of NYC, I never saw what I see now. Police were trained to approach slowly and in a non-threatening manner. Take their time, put the suspect at ease, ask a few questions. They were trained to negotiate: with people with weapons, hostages, those threatening suicide. Hold the perp’s attention, while another approaches from the rear. Use humor. Deflect. I’ve seen skillful police work so many times in my life -- and really it was quite ordinary and expected. Most police shootings could be prevented if both the perp and the victim had better social skills today.

So, I believe that these changes are intentional and for a purpose, and that purpose is not good for the rest of us. The rules have been changed without our consultation or permission.

More strategy of tension: A young women, Mya Aaten-White shot in head in what police describe as a drive by shooting, except none of the witnesses saw the drive-by, and the police kept the bullet removed from her skull. Hmm...

And finally: This latest killing of Kajieme Powell is positively in tin foil territory. As I see it:

*Filmed a little too conveniently, narrated to tell us what we are seeing. Postmodern VICE (website) video techniques.
*Where is the filmer’s homey who supposedly told him to show up and film?
*No history of mental illness presented in media coverage.
*Crime is petty. Perp is not even interested in consuming what he lifted.
*Perp doesn’t leave the scene, but waits around for the police.
*Police arrive, exit with guns drawn and blazing for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Victim is dead within 18 seconds of arrival. It makes no sense at all -- if one uses one’s critical thought, it is really quite impossible, like a 47 story building not hit by a plane falling at freefall speed .
*Victim asks to be killed hysterically, then looks around very calmly and steps up off the pavement so bullets will not be in line with the crowd observing. Nice!
*Victim does not have a weapon in his hands. Police lie again. Even if he did have a steak or butter knife (hah!), a simple bobby club or small shield would have harmlessly deflected it, or rendered it harmless.
* No evidence of blood.
*No one too shocked at witnessing a live shooting; no screaming, crying, etc.
*Watch the small white guy in blue jeans, red striped shirt and cardinal hat. Instantly, after the police shoot this guy he walks right up to within 10 feet or less of the cops. Who would do that and not worry of being the next victim? Cops are completely unconcerned with him. They chase others away, but he hobnails with police and walks up to one of the cruisers. Is he the “handler?” Are some of the other guys handlers too?
* Could this of been a hoax, or a mind control victim?

Time to take off my tin foil hat and go to sleep.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 21, 2014 4:12:29 AM | 97

Response awaiting filtration

@Rhisiart Gwilym: Thanks.

@ Sycamore Tree: Yes, the empire is threatened and is bearing down everywhere. Expect non-stop psy-ops, false flags and the type af synthetic terrorism that you refer to. OOOOOOhhhhh, I'm scared. Protect me!

@Copeland: Hello!

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 21, 2014 4:28:42 AM | 98

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Posted by: brian | Aug 21, 2014 5:15:00 AM | 99

@7 Sorrentine: "Shorter: they are just following orders so give them some slack."

Puerile oversimplification.

Posted by: Snake Arbusto | Aug 21, 2014 6:29:02 AM | 100

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