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June 12, 2014

Cordesman Laments, Confirms Russian "Radically Different" Views

The Russian Foreign Ministry held a conference for Arab military experts to explain its view on U.S. "regime change" endeavors:

On May 23, 42 Arab military and security officials attending the third annual Moscow International Security Conference were briefed by a team of top Russian government officials on the growing danger of “color revolutions.” The uniform message presented by the Russian speakers was that the United States and NATO have adopted a new mode of warfare, focused on the use of irregular warfare forces, religious fanatics, and mercenaries, combined with the heavy use of information warfare. In a series of English language power-point graphs and maps, presenters gave a detailed chronology of the past decade, highlighting Western regime change operations in Ukraine, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya and Yemen.

Anthony Cordesman, éminence grise of U.S. military analysts, attended:

Russian military officers now tied the term “Color Revolution” to the crisis in Ukraine and to what they saw as a new US and European approach to warfare that focuses on creating destabilizing revolutions in other states as a means of serving their security interests at low cost and with minimal casualties. It was seen as posing a potential threat to Russian in the near abroad, to China and Asia states not aligned with the US, and as a means of destabilizing states in the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, and South Asia.

Such is certainly not solely a Russian view but are facts that many "western" observers have also written about and which are confirmed by official U.S. policy papers. But Cordesman will not have any of that. "Color revolutions" must be just a Russian phantasy and U.S. engineered "regime change" is simply a wild idea.

The end result [of the Russian view] is a radically different reading of modern history, of US and European strategy, their use of force, and US and European goals and actions from any issued in the West and in prior Russian literature.

One wonders about the lack of self-awareness of Cordesman (and others) who write such nonsense. Cordesman is right, the Russian view is radically different if you start from "western" propaganda in the media. "Regime change" seldom occurs there and when it is clad in "freedom" and "democracy" camouflage. So how could the Russians ever get the idea that "color revolutions" and "regime change" are instruments of the "west"? Could it be that the Russians know because they read what Anthony Cordesman writes?

The United States and its allies, however, face a second threat. Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has become steadily more authoritarian, corrupt, and repressive.
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Yes, the United States might have to help in spite of his total unfitness to rule and Iraq's desperate need to expel him and his cronies from the country, but U.S. aid must be conditional and tied to the fact that al-Maliki is an authoritarian thug. The United States should also quietly do everything possible to push him out of power and into exile.

So the solution of the crisis in Iraq, rooted in U.S. "regime change" there, is to instigate another regime change in Iraq. That would certainly, like the Iraq war, not further destabilize the situation?

Not the Russians that are crazy in there analysis but rather people like Cordesman who evidently fit Albert Einstein's definition of "insanity".

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How come those Russians missed out the 'new Manhattan project'
“It is a new kind of war, like a creeping financial insurgency, intended to constrict our enemies’ financial lifeblood, unprecedented in its reach and effectiveness,” says Juan Zarate, the Treasury and White House official who helped spearhead policy after 9/11.

“The new geo-economic game may be more efficient and subtle than past geopolitical competitions, but it is no less ruthless and destructive,” he writes in his book Treasury’s War: the Unleashing of a New Era of Financial Warfare.

The stealth weapon is a ‘scarlet letter’, devised under Section 311 of the US Patriot Act. Once a bank is tainted in this way – accused of money-laundering or underwriting terrorist activities, a suitably loose offence – it becomes radioactive, caught in the “boa constrictor’s lethal embrace”, as Mr Zarate puts it.

“This can be a death sentence even if the lender has no operations in the US. European banks do not dare [to] defy US regulators — they sever all dealings with the victim. Mr Zarate [said] that the US can “go it alone” with sanctions if necessary. It therefore hardly matters whether or not the EU drags its feet over Ukraine … Washington has the power to dictate the pace for them”, notes Evans-Pritchard.
- See more at: http://www.conflictsforum.org/2014/conflicts-forums-weekly-comment-9-%e2%80%93-16-may-2014/#sthash.cljaqK3r.dpuf

Posted by: harry law | Jun 12, 2014 12:26:43 PM | 1

Meanwhile, NATO accuses Russia of exactly the same thing. See this document published this week: http://cips.uottawa.ca/nato-policy-experts-report/
This claims that 'The crisis in Ukraine has revealed the threats to NATO members from "non-linear" forms of aggression, which combine mass disinformation campaigns, cyber-measures, the use of special forces, sometimes disguised as local partisans, mobilization of local proxies, intimidation through displays of strength, and economic coercion'. Sound familiar?

Posted by: KMF | Jun 12, 2014 12:27:57 PM | 2

Posted by: KMF | Jun 12, 2014 12:27:57 PM | 2

Yep. It is obvious, Russia has finally adapted to the playbook.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 12, 2014 12:46:55 PM | 3

That experts report for NATO in KMF @2 above blames Russia for the aggression in Ukraine and, In Asia, unresolved territorial disputes and historical animosities are driving dramatic rises in defence spending. It must be remembered that the Pacific Ocean is the western flank of NATO. - See more at: http://cips.uottawa.ca/nato-policy-experts-report/#sthash.2EYEeR6f.dpuf It appears that NATO is expanding all over the world. With the US [the indispensable and exceptional nation] leading the charge of course.

Posted by: harry law | Jun 12, 2014 1:05:55 PM | 4

obama show his double standard again, threat to attack iraq.
http://rt.com/usa/165596-obama-iraq-statement-any-option/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 12, 2014 1:11:49 PM | 5

"The uniform message presented by the Russian speakers was that the United States and NATO have adopted a new mode of warfare, focused on the use of irregular warfare forces, religious fanatics, and mercenaries, combined with the heavy use of information warfare."

It looks like the Russians are going proactive and exposing the western strategy for what it is. Good for them. The western war making strategy requires an impenetrable wall of propaganda to hide the repulsive covert agenda. Which is unmarketable. The more light that is shined on these war crimes, the fewer people who get fooled and the less effective they are.

"Not the Russians that are crazy in there analysis but rather people like Cordesman who evidently fit Albert Einstein's definition of "insanity".

They are not insane in the usual sense, but pathologically dishonest to the point they probably believe some of the justifications they invent to excuse their greed. The whacked out propaganda they spew is necessary to hide the real intent of western actions, which can not be justified within the "good guy" narrative they've sold the public for generations.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 12, 2014 1:31:31 PM | 6

lol@nato talking about propaganda.
Ukraine showed how western media reported nothing but propaganda for nato.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 12, 2014 1:53:16 PM | 7

Yep. It is obvious, Russia has finally adapted to the playbook.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 12, 2014 12:46:55 PM | 3

Yes, and they're pretty damn good at it for newbies. Of course, the Russian socks who smother this place will claim Russia is just an innocent virgin altar boy in all this. Yeah, right.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jun 12, 2014 2:01:19 PM | 8

This is all overdue, well and good on the part of Russia and Western observers to address the tactics that the US war criminals have been effectively utilizing in waging their war of aggression against the world.

HOWEVER, you MUST NOT make the mistake that Cordesman and the US Establishment are crazy because the war criminals won't believe - or at least admit to - what is becoming apparent to everyone with two fucking brain cells - namely, that the world is catching on to their MO of color revolutions strategy, etc. No, their tactic of full-on reality creation - not just lying, not just spin, but reality-creation - and the unanimous adherence to it by the US Establishment is actually very clever from a sociopath's POV. Again, I really believe that this whole reality-creation paradigm was some wunderkind's idea at an American think tank or something and was created as a way to seemingly get around the prisoner's dilemma and other scenarios that had somewhat tied the hands of US leaders during the Cold War.

Instead of being stuck gaming through scenarios/outcomes of game theory such as MAD etc etc, you can - if implemented successfully/totally - short circuit the "game" by developing a situation where the two opponents are NOT sharing the same environment. No longer are the two participants really prisoners. Only one is because he still believes he is a prisoner while the other is free to act as it wants.

This is what the US elite MEAN when they speak of American Exceptionalism. It is not just a innocuous and trite term, it is a strategy. It is the reality-creation paradigm in practice.

It sounds crazy but after seeing episode after episode after episode of this seemingly psychotic behavior on the part of US war criminals I've come to the conclusion that this is a conscious strategy that itself has been gamed and scenario-ed to demonstrate that there were found/discovered ways to still "win" the "game" if only one prisoner still was stuck at the chessboard.

No, the US Establishment isn't crazy because they won't admit reality.

No, why the US war criminals are fucking crazy is that they have adopted this "denial of reality" policy in the first place as it necessarily endangers/threatens the real world in which the rest of us live - and themselves along with it.

The constant and blatant repudiation of fact and reality over the years by the entire US Establishment - especially from 9/1 on down - shows that they are all-in with this paradigm.

They are not crazy because they are seemingly denying reality but because they have CHOSEN a plan that denies reality in hopes of pushing the bounds of what they can accomplish - read: steal/conquer/kill.

The mistake Russia and others are still making is the same one observers such as the posters here sometimes make:

Their reaction to the seeming insanity of the US is like that of a person who is watching his long-time friend/assoicate spin out of control totally drunk. Yeah, yeah, he's doing crazy shit now and is out of control but I know that he's really a rational person. I'll just have to wait until he comes "down" and then deal with him. The alternative would be a fight, right?

The US is not going to "come down". Likewise, the apartheid genocidal state of Israel is not going to "come down".

What options are Russia et al left with in this situation?

1) Treat the US like it really is a fucking out of control madman. Well, that means physical confrontation possibly nukes. No good.

2) Treat the US like it's "drunk". Well, that means ever more US wars/crimes until both parties are brought back to #1 but a return in which Russia has to deal with more of the messes/encroachments that the US gained due to Russia's adherence to/choice of #2.

Calling out the tactics of the US war of aggression are a first step but I'm afraid it goes a bit deeper than that.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jun 12, 2014 2:03:01 PM | 9

Adding:

That was "9/11" not "9/1".

Again, look at all the time the world has wasted dealing with the apartheid genocidal state of Israel. The exact same tactic is in play. People still think we just have to keep shoving the facts - their crimes, the inevitability of their decline/fall, etc - into the faces of the Israeli scum leaders and they will one day "come down".

This is not the case. Israeli leaders will not deviate one iota from the script and it's not because they are psychotic it's because they - by creating their own reality - are consciously taking advantage of the rest of humanity not having any good choices left in dealing with them/their behavior. They're outside of the any "dilemma" because they are refusing to recognize the boundaries that game theory scenarios assume as givens.

One major benefit of this all is that with a massive/effective enough propaganda system at your disposal it really doesn't take that many members of TPTB to initially "sign on" to this tactic before the "exceptional" mindset naturally starts propagating itself amongst the peons and those unwitting dupes who hope to climb the ladder to Establishment success.

Soon enough everyone - witting and unwitting dupe alike - is singing the same song.

Thus, the issue is raised: can't this go too far? Don't TPTB have to still have enough control/power to be able to reign in the masses when mindset propagation reaches as certain saturation point? Do the US and Israeli elite have enough power to do so?

I think both the US and Israel elite DO STILL have enough power and control to effectively curb these policies if needed but there's no sense in asking them to do it because they know that it's to their ultimate advantage to look at you as if YOU'RE crazy when you question said exceptionalism or present them with facts that seemingly go contrary to notions - quaint - of perceived reality.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jun 12, 2014 2:22:35 PM | 10

@9 I'd imagine, or at least hope, that this is more of a compare notes and come up with a coordinated response kind of meeting. I'd be worried if they are figuring it out for the first time.

OTOH, I hope the are discussing how the color rev model has evolved and the cute non violent protest baby is a thing of the past. They are now into the "rebel army" stage.

And Russia, if they are serious about playing the game, should be offering Iraq all possible help. Now THAT would be blowback that would pass t PTB something fearce

Posted by: Lysander | Jun 12, 2014 2:25:16 PM | 11

The US tactics are an adaptation and updating of those of the Comintern in the '20s and '30s. This isn't surprising given the enormous influence, since the early '40s, of comintern renegades on US Foreign Policy: the neo-cons whose mouths are not simply used for foaming, its 'intellectuals', have all sipped if not drunk at the well of Trotsky's strategy of Revolution.

The problem that the neo-cons face and cannot deal with is that underlying any successful uprisings there has to be some sort of mass consciousness or delusion. In the past the attractions of the American Way of Life (Dream included) have formed a pale, but serviceable, imitation of the promise of human liberation that cheered millions of socialist martyrs to their deaths in the battle against imperialism and capitalism. But it has become very pale indeed: the future America offers to its partisans in, for example, the Ukraine is so bleak that it lends the past a roseate hue.
Nothing is so calculated to strike dread in the heart of a people as the promise of IMF assistance.

There is something very symmetrical about the coincidence of a foreign policy, of the sort the Russians describe, coming into its own at the very moment that the world-from the EU nations outwards- is awakening to the realisation that the Dream promoted by Hollywood, central to the ideology of NATO, is actually a nightmare of deprivation, Panopticon surveillance and control, eternal warring and a steady retreat to the social relations of the Plantation and the sweat shop. a journey back to the slums and the caves.

The propaganda in the west's information war will be, increasingly, viewed against a background of 50% Unemployment, riots and water cannons, declining life expectancy and millions of homeless emigrants wandering from country to country, away from war and looking for work.

As Goebbels learned, it is hard to promote a circus when the Four Horsemen are galloping around town.

The truth would seem to be that, just as millions in the Donbass would happily settle for a Peoples Republic, so most Iraqis would be as happy to welcome back Saddam as Libyans would be to see the return of Ghaddafi. The common theme being to beware of US agents marketing enslavement as freedom and civil wars as liberation.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 12, 2014 2:45:31 PM | 12

A story in the Wall Street Journal [now behind a pay wall] has said the Iran revolutionary guard forces helped Iraqi troops win back control of most of Tikrit. Could that be because Obama has prevaricated over helping Maliki? the US will not be pleased. But let's be honest ISIS pose a bigger threat to Iran than they do to the US.

Posted by: harry law | Jun 12, 2014 3:10:21 PM | 13

harrylaw

wsj is a neocon site. And why would obama be angered? Besides even if, who gives a f?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 12, 2014 3:11:52 PM | 14

@14 - i am sure harry knows that.

i wonder how much the isis distraction in iraq interferes with the usa agenda in ukraine?

Posted by: james | Jun 12, 2014 3:25:10 PM | 15

Anonymous@14. Thanks for the scholarly reply.

Posted by: harry law | Jun 12, 2014 3:29:10 PM | 16

harrylaw

Didnt know you had to be in school to learn that wsj is a neocon site or that you had to care what obama thinks.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 12, 2014 3:33:57 PM | 17

The western liars club is now claiming that 3 tanks crossed from Russia into the Ukraine and were attacked by the Ukrainian nazi forces.

I get the impression now that if the Russians don't give these western nazis their war, those nazis will simply use their "Spielbergs" in the media and their "Psakis" in the regimes to invent a Russian invasion.

BTW, Colonel Cassad's live journal blog has been rendered "read only" by the western fascists. The sods want to make sure their in now independent coverage of their war crimes. Full spectrum dominance of the media.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 12, 2014 3:37:53 PM | 18

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 12, 2014 3:37:53 PM | 18

The sods want to make sure their in now independent coverage of their war crimes.

The sods want to make sure there is no independent coverage of their war crimes.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 12, 2014 3:39:51 PM | 19

Isn't history coming to a full circle?

Russia imitating the US imitating Russia of Comintern era?

Anyone watched the movie 'Queimada', a 1969 film directed by Gillo Pontecorvo, starring Marlon Brando?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn!

Marlon Brando, as a British agent, instigated a slave rebellion on a Portuguese colony in the Caribbean. He formed a fragile alliance between the slave rebels and the white settlers to expel the Portuguese rule. Though the ex-slaves gained emancipation and the white settlers formal independence, they were hollow. They were now wage slaves and British colony all but name.

After 10 years of betrayed hope, the ex-slaves revolted again, and this time British marine landed on the island and put down the rebellion in a brutal scorched earth tactic.

The rebel leader, José Dolores, was captured and offered an exile, but he chose the martyrdom of gallows, hoping that his legacy would live on.

All the matrix of the color revolution are there.

You can watch the full movie on the YouTube.

http://youtu.be/tQBHr8pjGXI

Also this Ukrainian color revolution has all the trappings of the story of Boris Godunov and false Dmitri.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Dmitriy_I

Someone who pretended to be the murdered boy prince Dmitri, a son of Ivan the terrible, invaded Russia leading a Polish army, and welcomed by peasants suffering from misrule and famine. Though he captured Moscow and installed as a Tsar, his rule didn't last long. He turned out to be a Polish puppet and killed by angry mob. His body was cremated and his ash was stuffed into a canon and fired into the direction of Poland.

http://youtu.be/-1gGlWsQip0

At that time, they had three false Dmitris. Even after the death of the first false Dmitri, there was a second false Dmitri, and a third one, too. That was the period of Russian history called the time of troubles. I hope, this time, we can settle for just one.

Posted by: PuppetMaster | Jun 12, 2014 3:44:05 PM | 20

The Russians have come out with the West’s scheme for regime change that took off in the last decade. It is a combination of shock economics and war for profit on steroids plus good old fashion American Exceptionalism. Graham Green described it best 50 years ago in “The Quiet American” as a combination of naivety, hubris and power that leaves a wake of destruction in its path.

The Baathists are back in Iraq. The puppet Iraqi Army collapsed. The USA had better start evacuating the Green Zone today before ISIS starts beheading hostages unless Iran saves the day. The Bush/Obama Administration has been a disaster; invading Iraq, pushing Austerity, and supporting Nazis in Ukraine.

It is time for the USA reign in Wall Street, ditch the House of Saud and Israel, and make peace with Russia.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Jun 12, 2014 3:44:26 PM | 21

Cordesman is symptomatic of generations of Washington group-think. Too much kool-aid, too little honest analysis.

Posted by: JohnH | Jun 12, 2014 3:45:07 PM | 22

This accound tells us that Pushilin just has been killed.
https://twitter.com/EverydayInUa/status/477172266036641793

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 12, 2014 3:52:22 PM | 23

There is next to no indication that the Obama administration is upset about the unfolding events in Iraq. Compare this (non)reaction with what happened in Crimea in March when the high-pitching keening and animal moans emanating from Foggy Bottom blanketed the globe.

Clearly based on this alone one would have to conclude along with b that ISIS's march to Baghdad is the next-in-line color revolution (this one will be black). Why else would Obama refuse Maliki's request for U.S. airstrikes against ISIS staging areas? If AQ and AQ-type groups are the existential enemy, the foe that purportedly brought done the Towers on 9/11, why not aid an ally requesting assistance?

Because the ally here is ISIS and ISIS's sponsor, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jun 12, 2014 3:59:32 PM | 24

Mike Maloney

Exactly. And the whole goal for US and those terrorists is to get sunnis to lead Iraq, not pro-Iran shias.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 12, 2014 4:06:27 PM | 25

@scalawag #18:

I was wondering why there haven't been any more posts at Colonel Cassad. So has he has been blocked from making any more edits to this own blog? Do you know how/if that was justified?

Probably all anti-Empire blogs should move from American hosting companies.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 12, 2014 4:34:36 PM | 26

I suspect that the Saudis are involved somehow given that funding a militia of this size takes a lot of money. But which Saudis?

Is the money coming from the political establishment or disgruntled retired members of the Intel apparatus? Has Prince Bandar really retired and spending his days playing Parcheesi or pulling the strings for his friends in ISIS?

I'm stumped. But I don't think the US or Israel are calling the shots this time.
But that's just a guess.

One more thing: Shouldn't we anticipate that the US will launch some kind of special ops attack to retrieve all that military hardware they left behind? I'm sure they would rather not see Mr al Baghdadi flying around in their spanking-new Blackhawk helicopter. That would surely be bad PR.

Posted by: plantman | Jun 12, 2014 4:36:46 PM | 27

"So the solution of the crisis in Iraq, routed in U.S. "regime change" there"

I think you mean "rooted" as in springing from (wurzel?), not "routed" as in being beaten in battle and forced into undisciplined flight.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Jun 12, 2014 4:46:26 PM | 28

ditto mike @24. thanks for summing it up how i mostly see it.

Posted by: james | Jun 12, 2014 4:47:45 PM | 29

Thank you b.

Great find

Cordesman appears to be quite astonished at that Russian conference, but thinks that it is important to study the Russian point of view about threats to their security. Why the surprise, that the Russians have just suddenly thought of "Color Revolutions" as a threat? Tthat has been obvious for years, and the Russians are no fools.

There is another Cordesman article, both surreal and instructive - to understand Cordesman's point of view.

NATO and Ukraine Need Real World Strategies

IMO it shows extremely rigid, incomplete thinking about US goodness.

Quote - purpose of NATO "deterring war in Europe" ?

Well, completely ignoring that phone call between US Ambassador Pyatt and Victoria Nuland talking about who should be the next President of Ukraine after the government is changed. Or the other phone call about the snipers in Kiev Maidan shotting at both sides.

"Juan" describes why the swift action by Russia re Crimea, the real threat of a massacre of thousands of people. If posted here before, then just a reminder.

Russians are sub-humans in the eyes of the West

Cordesman completely ignores the Georgian massacres in S. Ossetia 08/08/08 which caused the swift Russian response.

Cordesman's article is interesting, however, in order to see what currently annoys him.

- the French sale of two amphibious ships to Russia
- French President Hollande's dinner with Putin
- Germany putting its economy and energy dependence on Russian gas first, above its security - now just when did I miss the news that Russia threatened to invade Germany, or that the Germans were in a real panic over this imminent threat?

Obviously the universe is not unfolding as it should.

Posted by: Night Owl | Jun 12, 2014 4:54:24 PM | 30

plantman@27. I would love to see on CNN Mr Al Bagdadi doing a little reconnaissance over the green zone in that spanking-new Blackhawk helicopter, then watch McCain have a seizure.

Posted by: harry law | Jun 12, 2014 5:02:41 PM | 31

Night owl

Here is a working link:

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/06/russians-are-sub-humans-in-eyes-of-west.html

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 12, 2014 5:08:50 PM | 32

The Baathists are back in Iraq. The puppet Iraqi Army collapsed. The USA had better start evacuating the Green Zone today before ISIS starts beheading hostages unless Iran saves the day.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Jun 12, 2014 3:44:26 PM | 21

Am I the only one that has no idea what those 2 quoted sentences are supposed to mean?

I've tried parsing them several times and several ways and can still make no sense of them.

What "Baathists"? Where?

Does V.V. mean that ISIS are the Baathists?

And this "The USA had better start evacuating the Green Zone today"

Why would they do that?

Cos of the non-existant "Baathists" ? (or ISIS or whatever), I guess he means. I have to guess because as I said I can't really make any sense out of what is being said there.

but ISIS, as even a fool can see, are clearly working for the US, so why would US want to evacuate the Green zone?

Makes no sense. Maybe he means that USers in the Green Zone will be "Baathist" (or ISIS or whatever) targets? (still makes no sense, cos if the USers in the Green Zone become targets it will be because the non-existent "Baathists" (or ISIS or whatever) have been ordered to target them by their handlers, who trace right back to the US, as even a fool can see.

Posted by: OMFG | Jun 12, 2014 5:14:39 PM | 33

@23

He survived one earlier this month, but they tried again? Bugger.

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 12, 2014 5:23:13 PM | 34

@21

Uh... You realize that these guys are not Baathists right?

Theyre islamists.

Baathists are/were secularists.

And secularism in Iraq, or for that matter the entire middle east, is as dead as Saddam or Gaddhafi.

Theres sort of an enormous difference between ISIS/ISIL and Baath party.

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 12, 2014 5:29:07 PM | 35

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 12, 2014 3:52:22 PM | 23

This accound tells us that Pushilin just has been killed.

This says he wasn't in the vehicle.

The attack in Donetsk - blown up the car of the head DND Putilina

"The junta has moved to the individual terror in Donetsk an attempt on the leader of the Donetsk national Republic (DND) Denis Pushilin.

"Unknown persons blew up a car Denis Pushilin, in which there were three of his guards. Putilina weren't there. One of the guards hospitalized in serious condition. At the moment arrived at the scene firefighters who extinguish the light in the car", - have informed in the press-service of DND.

The press service also said that wounded several people who were at this moment next to the machine.

Meanwhile, in the official Twitter DND reported undermining of the minibus. "Near the building of the Government House DND in Donetsk there was an explosion. Was blown up leaving the building minibus. SAT DND assumes act of terrorism", - is spoken in the message."

A few days ago, the western nazis assassinated a leader of the DND in his car in a typical Mossad/Jewish mafia style "hit" (he was in charge of humanitarian efforts - I don't have his name at hand). The man looked a lot like Pushilin and Pushilin often borrowed his car, it is thought Pushilin was the intended victim of that terrorist attack. The western nazis are going all Israeli in their tactics, using the assassination of leaders as their main effort, now that their nazi "army" has shown they are good for use as fertilizer and nothing else.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 12, 2014 4:34:36 PM | 26

Colonel Cassad has a VK site here.

He probably mentions the story of the freeze-out of his live journal site there, but I have not had time to look at the VK site yet. In the comments of the LJ site towards the end, people were discussing the potential the western nazis would close his site (currently "Russian" owned, but by an American and "Russian" Yeltsin butt bro, Live Journal is run out of San Francisco - probably Silicon Valley). The western nazis are censoring everything they can it seems.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 12, 2014 5:33:11 PM | 36

where's the fucking hero of the left now, eh? the russians are sitting there whilie civvies get bombed phosphoros. wheres putin now, and the great russian liberators. fuck this shit, both sideas bad as the other and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. its all state bullshit talk and they wont do a thing till it suits them. real world. and its mean. cruel . heartless. capitalism_ you dig

Posted by: whatever | Jun 12, 2014 5:34:23 PM | 37

@36

There was another attack on Pushilin just 5 days ago.

http://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/politics/v-donetske-soversheno-pokushenie-na-predsedatelya-verhovnogo-07062014161000

Im assuming theyre referring to different events, since the one yall are talking about is more recent right?

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 12, 2014 5:39:43 PM | 38

Killing Pushilin seems to me like it would be counterproductive. It wouldnt do anything more than create a martyr. He cant be so important to the Republic that it would crumble without him, or interfere with their resistance campaign.

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 12, 2014 5:42:34 PM | 39

@37

To which left are we referring to? All the heroes of the left I know of are dead.

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 12, 2014 5:45:17 PM | 40

Demian; Scalawag
Colonel Cassad is on twitter:
Cassad Twitter
Supposedly in talks with SUP about unfreezing his acct. there,

Posted by: VRainov | Jun 12, 2014 5:46:25 PM | 41

@ whatever "both sideas bad as the other" Well, no, you said it yourself: "civvies get bombed". That makes the bombers-of-civvies worse.

Posted by: ruralito | Jun 12, 2014 5:46:38 PM | 42

Posted by: whatever | Jun 12, 2014 5:34:23 PM | 37

Stop carrying on like a schoolgirl and put your head back in the sand then. The "they are all equally bad, so piss on it" routine is standard establishment web trolling used to dissuade people from seriously objecting to western war crimes. Z Magazine used that shilling approach to avoid covering the western nazi assault on Yugoslavia in the 90's when readers objected to their silent acquiescence of the western war crimes there against the people.

You western shills need to find some new techniques, the ones you are using are long past their sell by dates.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 12, 2014 5:47:28 PM | 43

@43

Chill, hes not a shill. Hes just disillusioned. He probably thought too highly of Putin.

But as Ruralito points out, what hes saying is bupkiss: Putin may not be helping, but he didnt launch a coup in Ukraine either. Should be obvious to any observer which side is worse.

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 12, 2014 5:50:00 PM | 44

@44 That being said, Putins no saint. Hes not Saint George here to vanquish the evil American dragon

But who ever honestly thought he was?

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 12, 2014 5:56:41 PM | 45

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 12, 2014 5:39:43 PM | 38

That attack is the one I meant that took place a few days ago that it is speculated that Pushilin was the intended target. It's not the first time the killers hit the wrong man. A past example:

Mossad murders a Moroccan waiter in Lillehammer, Norway

As long as these western nazis are not prosecuted and hung Nuremberg style, they will keep on committing nazi style war crimes.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 12, 2014 5:59:31 PM | 46

@scalawag #36:

LifeNews interviewed Pushilin. He was in Moscow at the time of the attack. The bomb wasn't in the DPR's car, but in a parked car that was detonated when the bus carrying Pushilin's body guards drove past it. If anyone had been in that car, they would have been killed instantly.

There is less and less difference between the Banderites and jihadi terrorists. (Comparison with Israel is probably misleading, since the Israelis usually get their target.)

@VRainov #41:

Thanks.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 12, 2014 6:02:19 PM | 47

Posted by: VRainov | Jun 12, 2014 5:46:25 PM | 41

Thanks.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 12, 2014 6:03:51 PM | 48

white phosphorus use? looks like it.
http://rt.com/news/165628-ukraine-incendiary-bombs-phosphorus/

Posted by: james | Jun 12, 2014 6:03:53 PM | 49

Strelkov discussing recent occurrences in an interview:

Igor Strelkov: Such ammunition I have not seen either in the first or in the second Chechen war (video)

Several photos, including the phosphorus attack, remains of exploded munitions and impact sites, along with text and video of the interview. This stands out:

"We have information that between Cherkasy and Bylbasovka unloaded strange cars with strange markings under heavy security. We suspect that there can be discharged something unconventional. But to say that it is chemical or bacteriological weapons cannot. We can only suspect it."

It should be remembered that Americans and Israelis, who know whatever they do will be universally covered up by the western media, are capable of anything. Their success with the Odessa massacre can only embolden these cowardly terrorists. These are nazis on steroids who literally have an unlimited free pass to do as they want now. And most people in the west will never know.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 12, 2014 6:32:40 PM | 50

Baathists and Islamists worked together at times against the American occupation of Iraq. It does not suggest common ideologies it suggests
temporary alliance, which of course involves risk--take the example of the Sunni Awakenings who allied with the occupiers, many paying the price after US departure.

Posted by: truthbetold | Jun 12, 2014 6:45:56 PM | 51

@46: Nitpick: hanged, not hung.

Posted by: lysias | Jun 12, 2014 6:54:46 PM | 52

"One wonders about the lack of self-awareness of Cordesman (and others) who write such nonsense."

One does wonder. Who does he think he's "lobbying" with his own "radically different" take on a reality that even most casual users of the internet have gotten all worked out by now ? The routine refusal of these people to accept even the obvious, lest it interfere with the prescribed Washington "consensus" view of events is surely a sign of decay, rot and National moral disease. The US is going the way of the Ottoman empire. How long can greedy EU collaborators hang on ? I fear the day Germany, France and perhaps Britain ?(though that seems a lost cause) do finally make a strategic break with Washington. We will truly be staring at WW3 on that day

Posted by: Marc | Jun 12, 2014 6:57:47 PM | 53

OMFG@33

The surviving Iraqi Baathists are supporting the ISIS offensive including Saddam’s VP, Abd al-Aziz al-Douri. Since this is a Sunni counter revolt against the Shiite, US installed government, this explains why offensive has gone so far so fast and why Bagdad is threatened.

I think ISIS is off the ranch and is not under operational control of their USA/Saudi paymasters. If ISIS is on a jihad, the more beheaded infidels the better, especially Americans stationed in the Green Zone.

The Fortress Embassy is undefended right now with the collapse of the Iraqi Army except for a few guards. If the Green Zone is not evacuated and the Sunnis reconquer Bagdad and none of the thousands of Americans there are harmed, you are correct and this is another USA regime change. We shall see who is correct.

But, no matter what happens, it will be hard for the Obama Administration or Corporate Media to spin or hide the truth on the ground in Iraq.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Jun 12, 2014 7:56:40 PM | 54

@53

Some have suggested we are experiencing WWIII now... albeit an 'economic' war waged by the would-be hegemon of the planet.

Posted by: crone | Jun 12, 2014 7:57:08 PM | 55

@54 Reports so far say theres no mass executions. More bloodshed than is currently going on would have been expected.

Either theyre very highly disciplined jihadis or the USA is pulling strings.

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 12, 2014 8:05:12 PM | 56


http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2014/06/httpenwikipediaorgwikisaber_abdel_aziz_al-douri.html


More on the coalition.
I wonder if any expert has truthfully dissected how many US troops, what fraction thereof of the total casulaities,
were wounded or killed by Baathists (some of whom were anti-Saddam independents, but most were loyal to the regime) in collusion with either
religious nationalist Iraqis or AQ caliphate-oriented Islamists in Iraq.
The largest Shia insurgent group I believe wad Al-Sadrs Mahdi Army.
The average American still doesn't realize the insurgency as a whole was never even close to defeated, not even the
Baathist sector.

Posted by: truthbetold | Jun 12, 2014 8:22:46 PM | 57

There's another thread for discussing events in Iraq.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 12, 2014 8:29:40 PM | 58

#9 Bravo man, bravo, Brasil has been purposefully destabilized, remember this. If Brasil pulls off this caper AND win the cup, they will be EXCEPTIONAL. TBTB cannot allow this, it would do away with them being amazing.
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Posted by: Fernando | Jun 12, 2014 10:00:43 PM | 59

Colonel Cassad is back:
Colonel Cassad

Posted by: VRainov | Jun 12, 2014 10:07:24 PM | 60

@VRainov #60:

Looks like the reason he was blocked was that he had posts asking for donations to Donbass. I guess a condition of reenabling the blog was that he takes those posts down.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 12, 2014 10:14:16 PM | 61

@ crone @ 55


I've read similar recently, a global war by class instead of nationality and I agree. I think that war has been going on for a long, long time and it is sharpening and will continue to. I'm thinking more of a time when that traditional US/NATO block part of Europe, France and Germany finally decide that the national interests have diverged far enough from the US that they must come into conflict - with the US. They will have to. Its inevitable and its likely Europe will resist when the US attempts to draw them back in line, gently, tactfully at first and then more ferociously as the US escalates . These thing have to happen. The future of Europe is in the East, not the west. The US will not allow its grip on Europe to loosen peacefully. There are actually "doomsday" plans at NATO headquarters that deal with that from the US geostrategic POV. Obama recently said that the US will "use military force unilaterally", whenever...its "interests" are "threatened". That means what it means and to leave no room for doubt made a list, and on that list he includes threats to "our livelihoods"..he wasn't talking about yours and mine livelihoods...The West Point declaration as a threat, as I understood it, is directed not only at China and Russia but at US allies as well.

Posted by: Marc | Jun 13, 2014 12:10:41 AM | 62

Russian Spring

Slavyansk.

Strelkov:

We do not expect assault in coming days. Though, the opponent for sure will attempt to test our defense, as they did last night in settlement “Artem”. Yet, we shot one armored carrier.

They besieged the city with artillery, each block-post is assigned two-four tanks. Overall, they properly handling the siege seeking to disrupt communications. The city is shut of electricity, blocked delivery of water. The pipe line was repaired, but valves are closed in area of settlement “Donetsky”. Water is delivered from wells and rivers.

Question: The cutoff is not because destruction by bombardment.

Strelkov:

Exactly. The aqueduct was fixed by city services. The water was closed by decision of the Ukrainian military. Same with electricity. Today, a repair crew from “Gorlovka” arrived to repair transmission line between “Kramatorsk” and “Slavyansk”. The Ukrainian military denied them access.

Question: Situation in other areas.

Strelkov:

Toward “Donetsk”, the opponent constantly moves closer. Established new block-posts in areas of “Kurakhovo”, “Konstantinovka”, “Ukrainsk”. Closing on “Donetsk” to encircle.

Question: Attack on several direction simultaneously.

Strelkov:

Tanks, soldiers, artillery - they have these in multitudes. In theory, these all is enough. They are bad in organizing and fighting spirit…

Question: Strange igniting ordnance.

Strelkov:

I am not such a specialist to determine type of weapon by sight. In my practice, I have not encountered similar. Neither in first nor in second Chechen campaigns. At first, it looked like low explosions of special lightening bombs. But these must suspend on parachutes. Here we encounter a cassette ammunition, which explodes is the air and pours igniting mixture over certain areas. I do not know such ammunition.

Question: Professional level of combatants.

Strelkov:

The combatants turn in to a battle worthy force, which can resist in defense. Attacking an overwhelming advantage in heavy armaments is insanity

Question: Something marked as chemical or bacteriological weapon is being unloaded in Kramatorsk airport.

Strelkov:

It is hardly possible to unload there. Half of it is under combatants’ control, at least the part for civil services. Only one remote corner may receive helicopters. Observing that corner we just can not. That is, no comments. We do have information of unloading uncertainly marked railway cargo between “Chrkassky” and “Bilbasovka” supervised by enforced security.

We suspect the unloaded could be something violating conventions. But we can only suspect.

Posted by: Fete | Jun 13, 2014 12:26:45 AM | 63

The Russians have come out with the West’s scheme for regime change that took off in the last decade. It is a combination of shock economics and war for profit on steroids plus good old fashion American Exceptionalism. ...

It is time for the USA reign in Wall Street, ditch the House of Saud and Israel, and make peace with Russia.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Jun 12, 2014 3:44:26 PM | 21

It’s useful to anthropomorphize the ‘West’ or ‘the US’, but I have a different take.

My sense is NOT that there was a scheme where the PTB sat down and said, “OK, guys and Hillary, let’s think about how to take over the world: first, shock economics, mass unemployment and poverty are a must. Mass redistribution from the bottom 80% to the 1%, especially the financiers, is required. And, high oil prices. We deal with objections through color revolutions, economic sanctions, mass information war and as a first or last resort (depending on the war needs of the arms and killers lobbies) assassinations and military assault. On the home front we deal with similar through ‘gotta have it all’ mass surveillance and police state tactics. For our key coalition partners (except the UK, Aussie, NZ, and Canada), we show their not really our allies by bugging their political leaders and engaging in economic spying to defeat their home companies. For countries independent of ‘the West’ or ‘the US’, who typically want peaceful relations and are willing to compromise on their goals as long as we respect their sovereignty, we Satanize them and make sure they become and stay our mortal enemies. Let’s also make sure that Israel, now a racist anti-Arab empire, never compromises, keeps up the ethnic cleansing and always stays on ‘our’ side; similar for Saudi Arabia, the worst country on earth. Sound good!?”

When you confront the US goals, what you deal with is chaos, or more mildly a set of often incompatible goals, that can only be dealt with by their defenders and advancers by ‘creating a new reality’ where all of the above somehow ‘works’. The producer of the chaos is obvious: there are many lobbyists with money in Washington, and Washington 'MUST' make them all happy. There is no ‘one’ grand poo bah or committee (as implied by VV) reviewing the imperial applicants and saying ‘yes’ or ‘no'.

So, at a deep and in his case likely unconscious level, Cordesman like his fellows has the mentality of a salesman. ‘This is what they want me to sell, and I gotta sell it. Makes no difference that it doesn’t work, doesn’t make sense, I gotta sell it or I’m out on the street’.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 13, 2014 1:07:44 AM | 64

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 13, 2014 1:07:44 AM | 64

"So, at a deep and in his case likely unconscious level, Cordesman like his fellows has the mentality of a salesman. ‘This is what they want me to sell, and I gotta sell it. Makes no difference that it doesn’t work, doesn’t make sense, I gotta sell it or I’m out on the street’."

So "Son of Sam" realizes his career is at stake, puts on a suit and tie, and takes a job at Hill and Knowlton. Defending the sods because "it's their job" is like defending a rapist because "the woman asked for it with her short skirt". It is the same sort of valueless mentality sucking up to power at the expense of everybody else.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 13, 2014 1:30:42 AM | 65

Cordesman's article is certainly an interesting one.

However, I don't read that article in the same way as b does i.e. Cordesman's denials seem to me to be very shallow indeed, mainly because the Russians are simply stating the obvious i.e. the USA has convinced itself that it can wage war on the cheap, and these various "color revolutions" are the visible manifestation of that (unconventional) American war-mongering.

Cordesman has little option but to be seen to be smearing lipstick on that pig because.... that's what he is paid to do.

But, honestly, it's clear from that article that his heart is not in it and he's doing little more than going through the motions before stating what he really wants to state i.e. the Russians are very obviously intending some co-ordinated push-back.

Think about this: the Russians got everyone together to discuss this new US strategy for war-making, and so the point of such a get-together is to decide on the most effective way of opposing it.

So what was decided?

How do the Russians intend to deal with US war-by-color-revolution?
What is the Russian plan to stymie US mercenary armies and those oxymoronic "USG-financed NGOs"?
Does Russia have some scheme to prevent the US Govt from bullying foreign banks into acquiescence?

On those questions the éminence grise of U.S. military analysts is utterly and completely silent.

Maybe he wasn't invited into THOSE sessions?

But, honestly, the talkback here is depressingly predicable: everyone shouting that only an idiot can't see what the USA is doing, why deny it, the USA already admits this, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Yeah, OK, thanks for that. But none of that adds anything to the discussion.

How about answering the important question: We all know what the USA is doing, but what can Russia do about it?

Posted by: Johnboy | Jun 13, 2014 1:33:58 AM | 66

Posted by: Johnboy | Jun 13, 2014 1:33:58 AM | 66

1) It was a conference for Arab military experts - basically a sales event for Russian security services. They made a point of inviting US representatives. Do you think the Egyptian military wishes to employ US services in the future? Or the Iraquis? Or Iranians? Russia is back in the Middle East and they boast about it.

2) This is key

"The end result [of the Russian view] is a radically different reading of modern history, of US and European strategy, their use of force, and US and European goals and actions from any issued in the West and in prior Russian literature."

Remember the US exceptionalist pride in defining reality? Remember the "Merkel says Putin lives in a different world?" misrepresentation?

To be able to define reality is the essence of power. There is a Russian challenge to the "spread of democracy".

Posted by: somebody | Jun 13, 2014 2:04:15 AM | 67

VietnamVet, You must be kidding:
"...The Fortress Embassy is undefended right now with the collapse of the Iraqi Army except for a few guards."
US has 14,000 in the Green Zone, over half of which are soldiers of fortune/former military etc, turned to doing mercenary work for contracting companies. They're certified killers. If the embassy is attacked ISIS will be slaughtered. Plus O would not hesitate to bomb the shit out of ISIS - ISIS knows that.

Anyway, if ISIS is a Saudi funded/controlled outfit, they won't touch the US Embassy. Just as no jihadi group as tried to attack the Zionist entity.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 13, 2014 2:07:46 AM | 68

fairleft, you're wrong:
"...My sense is NOT that there was a scheme where the PTB sat down and said, “OK, guys and Hillary, let’s think about how to take over the world: first, shock economics, mass unemployment and poverty are a must."
The National Security Council in consultation with the Council on Foreign Relations is exactly the PTB that makes foreign policy decisions.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 13, 2014 2:19:50 AM | 69

@ fairleft: there indeed are many such psychopaths out there and always have been. Just an example, you remember the protocols of zion? Now regardless of its source or genuineness, it clearly shows there are people out there who would like to rule the whole world. And there are many such examples throughout history.

And of course there is a "west", "west" means the influence sphere of the British Empire (not to be confused with UK!).

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 2:29:12 AM | 70

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 2:29:12 AM | 69

What is your brain handicap called? Logical blindness?

Just an example, you remember the protocols of zion? Now regardless of its source or genuineness, it clearly shows there are people out there who would like to rule the whole world

Posted by: somebody | Jun 13, 2014 2:38:23 AM | 71

Posted by: Johnboy | Jun 13, 2014 1:33:58 AM | 66

How about answering the important question: We all know what the USA is doing, but what can Russia do about it?

What are they doing about it? You'll have to read Russian media to find out. Thanks to the censorship of YOUR zionist occupied media in the west, you will not find out otherwise unless you do.

I realize such investigation and curiosity is considered in the fascist west to be the equivalent of betrayal to the reich, and such will get you listed as an antisemite or "not a team player", should you express your objections to the new 1000 year reich, but you know, there are normal people still around who have not bought into being the equivalent of WW2 nazi quislings and "good Germans".

The "ball" has moved into the eastern court. The western court has shown itself to be completely devoid of any positive values.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 13, 2014 2:39:24 AM | 72

Posted by: somebody | Jun 13, 2014 2:38:23 AM | 70

What Israeli owned advert firm do you work for. Notice I'm not using a question mark.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 13, 2014 2:44:06 AM | 73

Huh, the last post got deleted?

@ somebody, that was just an example of such THINKING, which is dosumented in loads over the course of history, at least since Machiavelli. What is your point, besides unintentionally showing your true character?

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 3:19:33 AM | 74

"documented" ^^

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 3:19:55 AM | 75

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 13, 2014 2:44:06 AM | 72

It is called "logic". A universal human ability.

Posted by: Johnboy | Jun 13, 2014 1:33:58 AM | 66

But yes, obviously calling out the mechanics of colour revolutions means "doing something about it"
- information warfare is a large part of it
- colour revolutions would not be possible without the support of people for its "values"
- very few people are capable of causing disaster to their country in the full knowledge of the script and its backers

If Russia wants to win this not just counter, they need a more attractive set of values. I don't see that yet.

They have countered the Maidan colour revolution with a Crimean referendum under their military protection and a "Bolschevik/Anarchist" people's republic reverting to old scripts tested in Ukraine before.

They based their acts on the "protection of Russian speakers", a promise they find hard to follow through. The counter of "liberty and democracy" with "socialism and communism" has been scrapped. Putin is especially concerned about "Christians in the Middle East". That will get him some sympathy but is not really functional foreign policy.

US ideology is the only overtly ideological foreign policy left. Saudi Arabia's Wahhabism and Iran's Shiism are very limited in their outreach.

Maybe reverting to openly defining spheres of influence and interests would be progress.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 13, 2014 3:25:49 AM | 76

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 3:19:33 AM | 73

You do have a serious logic handicap.

If the protocols of Zion are a fraud which you say they might be, then the "thinking" described in them would be fraud, too?

Just because I say and think there is something like xamphoputl, surely my "thinking" would not prove it exists?

After I posted this, you will be able to google xamphoputl soon, so maybe it exists now :-))

P.S. I am not telling you what I think it means.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 13, 2014 3:34:09 AM | 77

Posted by: somebody | Jun 13, 2014 3:25:49 AM | 75

"It is called "logic". A universal human ability."

Only acknowledged as such by sayanim when such logic coincided with Israeli interests.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 13, 2014 3:34:49 AM | 78

Sorry somebody but your logic is totally flawed. The text proves that there is such thinking, as does Machiavelli, as do the referred more recent documents. as said it was just an example, take "Prince" instead if it pleases you better.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 3:39:30 AM | 79

Meaning "The Prince" by Macchiavelli. Or Bernays "Propaganda", or even "fictional" stuff like Orwell's 1984.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 3:41:03 AM | 80

Time for b to start another thread. This one is getting down right nuts.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 13, 2014 3:43:10 AM | 81

Posted by: somebody | Jun 13, 2014 3:34:09 AM | 76

"You do have a serious logic handicap.

If the protocols of Zion are a fraud which you say they might be, then the "thinking" described in them would be fraud, too?"

The "logic handicap" is yours. Think about it, Israeli. The best frauds are based upon known facts. It's how your western propaganda works now. You dispense a few obvious facts, then twist those facts into whatever narrative Israel requires.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 13, 2014 3:43:23 AM | 82

No, Vietnam Vet at 68: The National Security Council (or whatever the top agency/committee is) administers as best it can a chaotic policy based on 'satisfy all the high bidders'. In post-reality Washington, that's the goal and that's what you actually see. For example, why greatly increase the power of your main adversaries, Russia and Iran, by deliberately keeping the price of oil high? Well, because the oil and energy lobby has a lot of money and gets to have that 'flaw' in US 'world conqueror policy'. Why does Israel get to go settlements and abuse crazy in ways that don't even make sense for Israel? Lots of money and Washington power. So we have that 'flaw' in the 'US uber alles' policy. Eventually you have a very long list of compromises, making the reality of the supposedly overriding goal less believable. Maybe 'the US' is overconfident and doesn't think it needs to rid itself of the flaws in its world domination strategy. More reasonably, there is no 'US' and Washington is just the nexus of very powerful and monied interest groups. The most powerful is financial capital, but the goals of financial capital also don't mesh well with economic/political domination of the planet, since what finance wants is redistribution to itself.


Posted by: Johnboy | Jun 13, 2014 1:33:58 AM | 66

The Sunni Arab regimes are not as persuadable as the BRICS, Germany, and some Balkan countries. (Even the EU is actually a better audience.) I'm sure they'll be sympathetic to Russia's presentation, but will provide it nothing concrete.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 13, 2014 3:51:41 AM | 83

Marc@62, that article is off topic but worth a read. I think this must be the one you were talking about:

"...Globalization of capital and interdependence of world markets has reached a point where large-scale military clashes of the magnitude of World Wars I and II could lead to financial catastrophe for all. Not surprisingly, the network of transnational financial elites, who often elect politicians and run governments from behind the scenes, seem to be averse to another wholesale international war that could paralyze worldwide financial markets."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-090614.html

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 13, 2014 3:54:36 AM | 84

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 13, 2014 3:43:10 AM | 80

"Time for b to start another thread. This one is getting down right nuts."

IE: this one is not western establishment friendly enough. It failed its purpose. Too much direct exposition/opposition, not nearly enough obfuscation/bullshitting. Our lord and master Simon Peres is unhappy with the direction the discussion has taken. Being GOD'S high representative on the lowly earth, we demand the closure of this discussion, so we can run the bullshit by a second time without criticism from the unkoshered louts who should be banned, naturally.

BTW, ToivoS, you previously refereed to yourself as "we" on this site, but when asked about this strange way to refer to oneself, you didn't answer. There is a well known fictional character called Golum (spelling?) who did this sort of weirdness, and it is generally understood that people who refer to themselves as "we" are psychologically unbalanced. Hopefully, Finland has the sense to prevent your access to firearms...

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 13, 2014 4:10:00 AM | 85

One Anders Behring Breivik is enough.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 13, 2014 4:12:13 AM | 86

@ ToivoS: nice to know that we have a qualified "thread-judge", or should "we" call "you" a thought police? Now what is that amateurish derailment all about?

Prey tell, what is crazy about well-known historical literature? What's crazy about Orwell or Machiavelli? You hopefully DO see that those tactics and visions already materialized in the real world for the most part.

But yeah, the reaction comes from the usual derailing practices that you've been conditioned to use, so whatever. You can't talk reason with deaf-dumb-blind zealots or paid shills anyway.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 4:45:17 AM | 87

@ fairleft, what on earth are you talking about? All sunni arab regimes were installed and are controlled by the british empire, now as ever.

Also Balkan countries are not "persuadeable" but simply either members of or occupied by NATO, more or less covertly.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 5:40:10 AM | 88

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 5:40:10 AM | 87

On your first paragraph: the protective/coercive military bases in the Gulf are American.

As for the Balkans, at least Bulgaria's economic self-interest would attract it to Russia. History and economic self-interest make me think Serbia, Greece, and Cyprus have a lot of potential as countries that could realign toward Russia, or at least would decide to be neutral in the US imperial drive against Russia.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 13, 2014 6:06:40 AM | 89

5

You misinterpret Obama's Think-Speak.

'Explore all options' is what doctors tell you after they've given up all hope, but want to keep your loved one 'for observation' until they need the hospital bed for another victim.
Obama's State Department even insulted Malaki in public, advising him to 'get more Sunnis.'

Sunnis. Sunnis. Now who are those Sunnis again?

"He's obviously not been a good prime minister," Sen. Bob Corker, said at a nomination hearing for the next U.S. ambassador to Iraq. "He has not done a good job of reaching out to the Sunni population."

The House of Saud has spoken to ISIS: We need oil over $100 a barrel. Take Mosul!

Malaki's Lesson Learned 101: Never challenge KSA by saying Iraq is back at full oil production and you're on the market ready to produce cheap light sweet up to 8MBD.

It's a Saudi pride thing.

Watch Nigeria. They're the light sweet contender now. Boko Haram are the Sunnis in Nigeria, promoting a Salafist version of Islam which makes it "haram", or forbidden, for Muslims to take part in any political or social activity associated with Western society.

Now who were those Salafists again? Oh ... House of Saud, you remember? George Bush shut down US airspace for three days so all the Saudis could fly home without interrogation!

Let's Roll!!

Posted by: chip nikh | Jun 13, 2014 7:01:38 AM | 90

10

Hillary Clinton is a perfect example of gaming psychosis.

She hectors and focus groups every waking moment of her life, and has that lucid-sounding baritone modulation of a classical radio DJ or a carney hypnotist.

"What are my numbers, Frank?"

"Madame Secretary, they're not that good."

"Well give me another angle then, and get me a drink! Scotch rocks!"

"We're trying to work you away from amnesty, and over towards supporting gays."

"Oh, G-d, is that what it's come to?"

"Here's your drink, ma'am."

"Glug, glug, gaaaaakk! You call this a drink?!"

"I'm sorry, ma'am, I'll get you a double."

"So as I was saying, Madame Secretary, we're ..."

"Nevermind, I want her gone before my speech is over!"

"Madame Secretary?"

"That little bitch watered my drink! She's gone!"

"Yes, ma'am. Umm, the reporters are gathered."

As you saw Hillary with Terry Gross over a picayune insignificant admission that Hillary changed her mind about LGBT, she flips out, jams into 'now listen here' lecture mode, and pretends 'we all of US just grew into this totally new phenomenon', when LBGT was rampantly open in the 1980s across the USA, and AIDs was an epidemic catastrophe all through the 1990s, where was Hillary, when she didn't address LGBT in her HillaryCare:

"It also will give comprehensive health care to everyone. It’s especially important we do that with chronic diseases. HIV/AIDS has become a chronic disease."

Wait, was that 1990s? Nope, 2008!! Where the hell was Hillary for TWENTY YEARS on LGBT?

"I had to wait until the right time to voice my opinions." She actually said that!

Oh, Jesus H. Caca. An $85M fortune in only 8 years in government! Where the hell did she skim $10M a year from, on a $175,000 a year government salary, without selling out every living US taxpayer and their children for seven generations!?

HRH is a psychotic MONSTER!

Posted by: chip nikh | Jun 13, 2014 7:24:04 AM | 91

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The last remaining political blogs that allow posts are all firewalled behind Facebook and Google+, both of whom know your identity, and all your personal identification, after which you post, we already know NSA has full back-door access, then either they will shut down all your e-mail identities, or expose your posts in public with your real name, or arrest you.

Snowden is just a MIC morality play muppet, rolled out on TV to remind Americans what happens to whistleblowers, while reminding them to be a 'real patriot', 'man up' and expose your true identity and beliefs to law enforcement? Like the poor sot that the Tudor King would draw and quarter in the square to remind the peasants to pay their tithe, ..only this is just bad TV.

Full Spectrum Dominance, and HRH Hillary hasn't even announced she's 'running' (sic) yet!

Posted by: chip nikh | Jun 13, 2014 7:37:38 AM | 92

@ fairleft: Bosnia, Serbia, Macedonia are occupied by NATO. Serbia rather covertly though except the obvious Camp Bondsteel base in Kosovo. Greece, Bulgaria and Romania are financially "occupied" by the Troika (and also all are members of NATO).

Will say, while the people of thopse countries indeed are mostly pro-Russian or rather pro-slavic, the governments are made of the same sort of corrupted crooks you have sitting in Brussels or Washington, mostly former Goldmann employees and such.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 8:00:33 AM | 93

@ chip nikh: while you're at it, at least get your facts right. In Arabia you have Wahhabists, Salafists are the egyptian "daughter" of the moslem brotherhood. Wahhabis aren't friends with the brotherhood, as you could witness when Morsi was installed in Egypt.

All three branches were created and are still being handled by the british letter-soups. It's well documented and has been widely discussed. Wherever you hear about brotherhood/Salafis/Wahabis, just insert MI-6 (and sisters) instead and you'll be right 90% of the time.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 8:06:25 AM | 94

@ cip nikh: Here's a bit more info on that: http://www.american-buddha.com/lit.terrorismilluminati.19.htm

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 8:10:08 AM | 95

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Why else would Obama refuse Maliki's request for U.S. airstrikes against ISIS staging areas?

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Because US Big Oil, like House of Saud, is now a net oil exporter, and the summer driving season spiking oil prices ain't happening, then crude oil is piling up unsold around the globe, threatening a long downward drop in prices. That not only affects Big Oil, but also Mil.Gov.Sci.Edu, which derives sales taxes and gasoline taxes, pegged to the price of oil. You see, there's a perverse incentive to destroy Iraq's return to full oil production, or in Obama's case, to 'look the other way' for the xenophobic Tea Party separatists, while Kerry-Kohn, Nuland and Biden are free to shake dem bones over Ukraine's robes.

The Sauds are greedy frackers and control the Salafist Oppression to destroy competing oil suppliers across MENA, specifically light crude and oil distillates, which are becoming increasingly valuable to meet pollution standards and dilute heavy bitumen oils upstream.

Posted by: chip nikh | Jun 13, 2014 8:10:47 AM | 96

@ chip nikh, once more: Saudis are puppets themselves, they control nothing. Salafists are a british creation and came from Egypt.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 13, 2014 9:14:06 AM | 97

@77

Somebody, are you f*cking serious?! The Protocols have been known to be a fraud for 80 years.

BTW, you know who printed them in America? Henry Ford. Arnt you supposed to be some kind of pseudo leftist and dislike capitalists?

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 13, 2014 9:36:27 AM | 98

Actually I cant tell who it is who is liking the Protocols of Zion.

But whoever it is... Youre a moron.

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 13, 2014 9:39:05 AM | 99

Henry Ford printed 500,000 copies of that Protocols nonsense in the 20s. Henry Ford cant be trusted. Even if he didnt get a goddamn award from Adolf f*cking Hitler he still couldnt be trusted.

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 13, 2014 9:40:50 AM | 100

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