Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 02, 2014

Ukraine: IMF - Lose The East And Get More Money

One wonders which U.S. politician or functionary visited Ukraine yesterday. After CIA Director Brennan had visited Kiev the coup government of Ukraine launched an "anti-terror" campaign against federalists in the east. That soon pattered out. Then Vice President Biden visited Kiev and the next day another "anti-terror" campaign was launched but stopped after Russia mobilized some troops and threatened to invade. This morning a third "anti-terror" campaign was launched when some Ukrainian security forces encircled and attempted to storm the city of Slovyansk. Who initiated this?

This attempt soon ran into problems. Civilians blocked or held up (vid) troop movements. But supported by helicopters some troops managed to capture a few outlying road barricades. Then at least two of the helicopters were shot down by MANPADs. It was not expected that the armed federalists had such weapons ready but it is also not very astonishing. When the Soviet Union was dissolved Ukraine ended up with a fully equipped force of some 700,000 men. Today, 23 years later, the Ukrainian military force has some 70,000 men. What happened to all the equipment? Most of it was sold off to third countries in shady deals but a lot was just taken away or sold by corrupt officers to anyone who would pay a decent price. I would therefore not be surprised to see more higher level weapons in the hands of the federalists who include some veterans of the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan and other well trained former soldiers and police forces.

The attack on Slovyansk stopped at the city gates with the city itself still in the hands of the federalists. For now the situation there seems to be quiet. Meanwhile there were clashes in Odessa between pro-Kiev and anti-Kiev rioters.

The IMF, which has approved a huge $17 billion loan to Ukraine, gave an ominous warning. Consider yourself to be one of those ruling Ukrainian oligarchs who hope to pocket significant parts of these loans. What would you think after reading this:

Ukraine is at risk of a prolonged recession and may need an extension of its $17bn bailout should tensions with Russia and unrest in the east of the country escalate, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has warned.
...
"A long-lasting disruption of relations with Russia that depresses exports, investment and growth, or a loss of economic control over the east that reduces budget revenue, would require a significant recalibration of the programme and additional financing, including from Ukraine's bilateral partners," it says.

Translation: "Dear oligarchs, screw up the relations with Russia and lose the east and you will get more free money." Such IMF talk is not designed to help with any de-escalation.

I do not expect the coup-government's move on Slovyansk to result in any success. The only gain from it will be more support for the federalists and greater alienation in the east. Anecdotal reports from journalists crossing government checkpoints pointed out that the interior ministry troops used in this government operation were pretty pissed about the orders had received from Kiev. They wonder how fighting against a significant part of the population is supposed to help the country. Then again - they likely did not get the above IMF notice.

Adding: Obama mentor and Russophob Zbigniew Brzezinski seems to push for escalation of the situation as he envisions U.S. weaponized "urban resistance" in Ukraine against an (unlikely) Russian invasion. His rant includes this most hypocritical beauty:

Above all the president must clarify why we cannot tolerate an international system in which countries are invaded by thugs and destabilized from abroad.

Ahem.

Also of note: Both, the Washington Post and the BBC have started to use the term "rebels" to describe the federalists.

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Chomsky is a gatekeeper/coward. Maybe blackmailed like many others, who knows..

Posted by: ProPeace | May 2, 2014 7:27:23 PM | 101

The bandera nazis are gloating over the murders they committed. I wont link each individual article exposing that from the following site, since there are many. I'll list them by title and give a link to the front page instead.

http://www.politnavigator.net/

01:55 03 Май 2014
Украинский депутат назвала гибель людей в Одессе «выдающейся победой»: «Нам ещё Крым возвращать» May 3, 2014 1:55
Ukrainian deputy named deaths in Odessa "outstanding victory": "We have yet to return the Crimea"

01:13 03 Май 2014
Фарион: Браво нашим воинам. Давите кацапню May 3, 2014 1:13
FArion: Bravo to our soldiers. Crush katsapnyu

01:11 03 Май 2014
Тимошенко прилетела в Одессу — помогать «пострадавшим патриотам Украины, защитившим город от сепаратистов» May 3, 2014 1:11
Tymoshenko flew to Odessa - help "victims Ukrainian patriots who defended the city against separatists"

01:06 03 Май 2014
Одесский губернатор назвал «законным» разгон Антимайдана, обернувшийся десятками смертей May 3, 2014 1:06
Odessa governor called "legitimate" Antimaydana acceleration, turning dozens of deaths

00:57 03 Май 2014
Украинский телеведущий: «Мне совсем не жалко сепаратистов из Одессы» 00:57 May 3, 2014
Ukrainian TV presenter: "I do not feel sorry for the separatists from Odessa"

00:52 03 Май 2014
Администрация Турчинова объявила, что трагедия в Одессе – дело рук ФСБ 00:52 May 3, 2014
Turchinova administration announced that the tragedy in Odessa - the handiwork of the FSB

00:35 03 Май 2014
Опубликованы снимки улыбающихся активисток, готовящих коктейли Молотова в Одессе (ФОТО) 00:35 May 3, 2014
Published pictures of smiling activists preparing Molotov cocktails in Odessa (PHOTO)

This is the sort of mentality the Ukrainians are up against, and that which predominates the war criminals in the west. That article last reminded me of those now infamous shots of Israeli children photographed by Israeli PR ghouls as they write slogans and insults on munitions slated to be used on Palestinian children. In fact, this gloating by the bandera nazis reminds of the kind on gloating one sees in Israeli when they slaughter Palestinian civilians in their frequent terror bombing attacks.

Posted by: scalawag | May 2, 2014 7:37:39 PM | 102

Reports are that the federalists in Odessa are unarmed. They are improvising weapons against the fascists.

Posted by: bevin | May 2, 2014 7:40:34 PM | 103

@bevin 89: Before Bush there was: The Clinton Doctrine


...Less public, but no less significant, is the US effort to convert NATO from a defensive alliance in Western Europe into a regional police force governed by Washington. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright first unveiled this scheme this past December at a meeting of NATO foreign ministers in Brussels. Claiming that missile-armed "rogue states" pose as great a threat to Europe as the Warsaw Pact once did, Albright called on NATO to extend its operational zone into distant areas and to combat a wide range of emerging threats. "Common sense tells us," she said, "that it is sometimes better to deal with instability when it is still at arm's length than to wait until it is at our doorstep."

Herein lies the essence of what might be termed the Clinton Doctrine--the proposition that the best way to maintain stability in the areas that truly matter to the United States (like Western Europe) is to combat instability in other areas, however insignificant it may seem, before it can intensify and spread. Perhaps the most explicit expression of this doctrine was Clinton's February 26 speech in San Francisco--an important statement that clearly foreshadowed the decision to bomb Serbia:

It's easy...to say that we really have no interests in who lives in this or that valley in Bosnia, or who owns a strip of brushland in the Horn of Africa, or some piece of parched earth by the Jordan River. But the true measure of our interests lies not in how small or distant these places are, or in whether we have trouble pronouncing their names. The question we must ask is, what are the consequences to our security of letting conflicts fester and spread. We cannot, indeed, we should not, do everything or be everywhere. But where our values and our interests are at stake, and where we can make a difference, we must be prepared to do so [emphasis added].

This is an extraordinary statement; not since the Vietnam era has a US President articulated such an ambitious and far-reaching policy. Moreover, as we have seen in the Balkans, Clinton has every intention of acting on its precepts. His decision to bomb Serbia is consistent with a clearly delineated strategic plan.

Bush and Clinton clans have been deep into the narc business: The Activities at Mena

Posted by: ProPeace | May 2, 2014 7:46:20 PM | 104

bevin @89
“The sick thing is that those responsible, in Washington, are patiently watching from a safe distance, ….”

One has to wonder what kind of human being carries out such machinations without regard to the suffering of others. One also has to wonder about the humanity of those who glibly advocate the things that Brzezinski does as they mindlessly “watch” the evening “news” being peddled by the MSM! Especially given the suffering it is going to mean for others. Imagine a country manipulating the affairs in the country in which we live while we suffer as a result and the most civilized parts of the world officially sanction and indeed praise the manipulations and thereby tacitly accept our suffering as the price that must be paid.

Thanks for the link @94. Very interesting.

Posted by: Phantastron | May 2, 2014 8:25:26 PM | 105

@93

He WAS just as bad as LBJ...

It was just one part of the elite shooting at another part of the elite. He wasnt on the 'peoples' side, whatever you may think. Remember that he and RFK were accomplices of McCarthy during his Witch Hunts. I dont know why so many folks treat JFK like a mnessiah just because he was shot. If Obama gets shot tomorrow, he will probably be deified the same way.

Posted by: Massinissa | May 2, 2014 8:33:20 PM | 106

Haven't read all the comments today, but on the news in N.Z. Obomba is making a REAL HUGE deal of the fact that 2 choppers have been shot down, proving beyond a shadow-of-a-doubt that Russia is behind EVERYTHING in the East . . . . . the only reason the radio wasn't hurled across the room is that it's my alarm clock !!

The MANPADS could've been supplied by Russia but it's waayyyy down the bottom of the list of possibilities. They may've also come from any one of a number of Ukrainian military bases that have been either looted or had their weapons turned over by sympathetic soldiers. A more likely version I think is that US spec ops/blackwater types have shot them down just to give the West / N.U.T.O.the propaganda coup that Obomba is trying to turn this into. Pre-planted explosive devices on board before they took off could also be another scenario worth exploring.

Posted by: Chris in Ch-Ch | May 2, 2014 8:36:28 PM | 107

No doubt there will be anti Junta people in Kiev and western Ukraine; what is their situation at present?

Thanks for a terrific blog!

Posted by: Cortes | May 2, 2014 8:44:40 PM | 108

@103

The witch hunts had a basis in a real threat, and it was not communism; that was just for the average knuckle-heads consumption. Remember not many finished high school then. Listen to the following interview of Mr, Dodd just before he pass away. The threat was from large international financial centers. It is about ten minutes into the film.

Kennedy was not interested in "the institutionalization of conflicting interest" that suck the life blood from a nation. He wanted a world of cooperation, not subversion, a world without another world war looming over the next generation head as it is with us at this time and place.


Posted by: HAHA | May 2, 2014 8:44:58 PM | 109

Today, while the UN Security Council was in session talking about Ukraine and with the West expressing its adamant support for the fascist junta, fascist paramilitaries in Odessa committed a mass murder setting the Trade Union building on fire with people inside. Here is a video made by the Maidan people themselves at their own crime scene. The video shows them going at the upper floor of the building and counting the corpses. The count is about dozens. The people either suffocated to death or/and were beaten to death. The fascists are searching the corpses for their identification and names and contacts of their friends ... apparently to put them on the list of further fascist terror. Warning: a gruesome video, I could not make myself watch the whole thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9_z6Cdf3g Since the video is showing immediate results of the fascist crime, it might be soon taken down

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 8:45:48 PM | 110

duh

I have to give you the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM

Posted by: HAHA | May 2, 2014 8:47:45 PM | 111

Twitter / spainbuca: Ukrainian military ask me to say it was not the army who attacked militias were under the orders of Interior Minister

Posted by: ProPeace | May 2, 2014 8:49:12 PM | 112

The function of war is the secure the peace, PERIOD!

Posted by: HAHA | May 2, 2014 8:56:12 PM | 113

@19 mgm

Chances are very low. They'll destroy the billion dollars of ammunition and appropriate a billion and a half dollars to replace it. The ammunition for Ukraine will come from Georgia or Poland or some other third party.

Posted by: Crest | May 2, 2014 9:02:43 PM | 114

@ProPeace#53:

Interesting article, especially the second part (even though some of the connections he draws in the first part seem like over-reach -- for example, "Temple of Set"). It would be a more reliable resource if he provided links to sources or previous articles.

This bit from the end would be worth exploring further:

For those who really understand the “Washington dynamic,” the real disappointment has been Obama’s unwillingness to remove not just obstructionist bureaucrats that sabotage policies and keep billions in public funds flowing directly to Bush run organized crime but the even greater threats such as we have seen during recently weeks.

UKRAINE “CRASH”

By this time, one thing is clear. Whatever legacy the Obama presidency wished to have has been destroyed by the debacle in the Ukraine. ...

NOODLEMAN

Vickie Noodleman, or as she is now known, Undersecretary of State Victoria “Nuland,” was never a particularly noteworthy or capable individual. Her primary skills were her willingness to marry archconservative fanatic John [Robert, sic] Kagan and then to accept a position working for Dick Cheney, the infamous “Darth Vader” of American politics.

Noodleman wasn’t always the jowly cow we see today. By Washington standards she was a “hot babe.” Her marriage to John [Robert, sic] Kagan, the intellectually shallow head of the anti-Putin cabal at the Brookings Institution, assured her a quick run through the “pecking order” at the State Department, even under the flawed oversight of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Clinton, were she paying attention, would have “strangled Noodleman at birth” as the proverbial saying goes, before damage could be done. It was Noodleman that supplied the “talking points” to Undersecretary of State Susan Rice during the Benghazi investigation, a political disaster for Clinton.

Little did the “half blind” Obama administration know that the Benghazi attack had been planned and underwritten in Washington, the Potomac Institute, PJ Media (a Mossad front group), the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute and “carry-over” operational units “formerly” under command of “former” Vice President Cheney.

As with recent investigations that have traced the training of the Maidan Square snipers to secret CIA facilities in Poland, Benghazi was also a CIA operation...

Posted by: Rusty Pipes | May 2, 2014 9:07:18 PM | 115

@HAHA You seem to be well informed, sir. Not so many people can see through thick smoke and warped mirrors that have been used by the ruling elite for a long time to "divide and conquer" us for more power, control and wealth. Yes, indeed, the "witch hunt" was absolutely justified, McCarthy had a good hunch, or sources, that there was a conspiracy, but those were not "communists", no. Start with zionists, City of London, Wall St, recall what Woodrow Wilson said:
"There is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

Posted by: ProPeace | May 2, 2014 9:09:33 PM | 116

pravy sektor girls about to commit murder...youd never guess it by their smiles
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203476189495505&set=a.4248624383967.167315.1536441281&type=1&theater

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 9:11:25 PM | 117

You can listen to Gordon Duff right now on Mike Harris show @ Rense Radio.

Posted by: ProPeace | May 2, 2014 9:13:32 PM | 118

@Rusty Please see my previous post for this thread with some links providing the context.

Posted by: ProPeace | May 2, 2014 9:16:26 PM | 119

Discussion of the IMF loan shark pressure on the Kiev junta, without the fascist spin of the Guardian article linked to in the Moon Of Alabama post above.

http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_05_02/The-IMF-is-co-ercing-the-Kiev-junta-into-a-civil-war-expert-6317/ 'The IMF is coercing the Kiev junta into a civil war' - expert

"VoR: Some statements found in the Fund 's documents may be interpreted as an attempt to give the already aggressive junta in Kiev another reason to attack the eastern regions. Would you agree with this view?

Peter Koenig: CNBC and other western and Asian news outlets quote from an IMF staff report: "Should the central government lose effective control over the east, the program will need to be re-designed." In other words: "Go to war with your pro-Russian Ukrainian brothers, otherwise you won't get the money!" The report further says that "If the government loses control of the east, it would further erode the country's finances and damage Ukraine's ability to attract investment." In other words "You will then need more of our debt-money, but at even harsher conditions."

In other words, the IMF insists, that Kiev takes control of Eastern Ukraine, lest the rescue package will be "reconsidered", or redesigned or scrapped altogether.

This is pure blackmail a desperate government, coercing it into a civil war, coercing it into sending its troops to fight and kill its compatriots in the east, whose only "fault" is that they want independence from the racist neo-Nazi Washington-supported government of thugs that came to power after a 5 billion dollar ten-year effort for regime change, instigated by the United States of America.

VoR: Isn't the IMF supposed to avoid taking sides in a civil war?

Peter Koenig: The IMF now appears to also play the role of a proxy warrior for Washington's assassin-in-chief. It is almost unbelievable. But in today's manipulated and brainwashed western population, war becomes peace, because according to the Washington Post "War is brutal, but the alternative is worse" and "wars make us safer and richer".

These are the new values promoted by the presstitute mainstream media. Who is surprised, then, if the IMF now in addition to suffocating populations with burdens of debt, is coercing them into civil wars, killing themselves? If not stopped, it won’t be long before a small military corporate and banking elite will be reigning over a reduced population serving them as serfs.

VoR: What can be done?

Peter Koenig: T here is hope. The BRICS and associates (also called BRICSA), controlling about a third of the world's GDP and half of the world's population, are preparing an alternative monetary system with a new money to be used for international trading and as reserve currency, including a new international payment system that would be totally detached from the dollar dominated sham economy.

This new paradigm for world economy and finance most likely will be welcome and attract many nations which are now in submission and for fear of ‘sanctions’ in the camp of the bully. But most of them quietly wish for the collapse of the monster just waiting to break loose when it happens. IMF's decision to push Kiev's junta into a civil war is immoral and is wrong, proving one more time that there is urgent need to create an alternative global financial system. The world may look forward to emerging from ages of darkness into an era of light, into the prosperity of living in peace and harmony with each other and with Mother Earth."

Posted by: scalawag | May 2, 2014 9:17:02 PM | 120

Posted by: fairleft | May 2, 2014 6:21:56 PM | 87

media confusion? or media denial?
we know who set the fire a who was burned, and how surivors were abused and humiliated by pravy sektor

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 9:17:39 PM | 121

meet the arsonists
Fascists girls are mixing Molotof Cocktails to burn the local citizen in the building of Trade Union in the city Odessa!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=726717557379176&set=pcb.726717854045813&type=1&theater

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 9:19:10 PM | 122

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 9:11:25 PM | 114

"pravy sektor girls about to commit murder...youd never guess it by their smiles"

That photo was one of the ones shown in this article:

http://www.politnavigator.net/opublikovany-snimki-ulybayushhikhsya-aktivistok-gotovyashhikh-koktejjli-molotova-v-odesse-foto.html Опубликованы снимки улыбающихся активисток, готовящих коктейли Молотова в Одессе (ФОТО)

"Published pictures of smiling activists preparing Molotov cocktails in Odessa (PHOTO)

Odessa, May 2 (Navigator, Artemy Glazunov) - Social networks published photos of young girls about 17-18 years, which make Molotov cocktails during clashes between supporters and opponents of the authorities in Odessa.

After some time the building of the House of Trade Unions lights, here about 40 people die of the number of pro-Russian activists.

On published photo shows the girls first prepared firebombs, and then carry them to the barricades in the yellow-blue flag.

In the web already spread links to the personal pages of girls. However, three of the four girls appearing in the list have already remove accounts."

There are other photos in the article. In the comments they are identified for future prosecution.

Posted by: scalawag | May 2, 2014 9:31:26 PM | 123

Well Obama isn't exactly coming out and denouncing today's neo-Nazi burning down of a trade union hall in Odessa roasting those inside, very ironic in that this morning he appeared with German Chancellor Merkel (a job that Hitler once held) at the White House to denounce Russia. This is f*cking insane on so many levels and is not going to end well.

Posted by: Donn Marten | May 2, 2014 9:31:39 PM | 124

@Rusty: It is satanic, if you read a dozen or so articles on Aangirfan you understand why. I understand this term not in a metaphysical sense, but in practical - it's a certain ideology allowing the "elite" to maintain a global power structure exploiting every dark corner of human nature: buys loyalty with world reserve currency, promise of unaccountability and very high short term pay offs from plundering and pillaging through target societies, subverting legal governments, instigating conflict, pitting people against each other, through lies, murder, pedophilia, human sacrifices used not only for pleasure but to cement bounds and keep the ranks in check via blackmail. Under the guise of legitimate western government they run drug, human, organ trafficking, slave labour camps, weapon trade, financial speculation. Of course "there is no business like war business" and "you can achieve through war in 5 years what takes 50 years during peace" (Carrol Quigley). If that agenda is not satanic, I am not sure if there is a better word to describe it.

Posted by: ProPeace | May 2, 2014 9:32:37 PM | 125

@scalawag absolutely sickening...

Posted by: ProPeace | May 2, 2014 9:39:20 PM | 126

Убито около 70 жителей Кроматорска! Сотни раненных.. В Славяске идут бои.
38 человек сгорели в Одессе и около 50 заблокированы на крыше Дома профсоюзов. Боятся спускаться, так как толпа внизу на их глазах растерзала спасенных из пожара нескольких пострадавших!
Олигарх-губернатор Одесской области Немировский охарактеризовал бойню в городе как законную.
Цитируем фейсбук губернатора: «действия одесситов, направленные на нейтрализацию и задержание вооружённых террористов, считаются законными»
Killed about 70 people Kromatorska! Hundreds of wounded. In fighting Slavâske.

38 people were burnt in Odessa and around 50 are locked on the roof of the House of trade unions. Afraid of going down as the crowd below were lynched in front of them rescued from the fire of several victims!

The oligarch-Governor of Odessa oblast, Nemyriv described the carnage in the city as legitimate.

We quote the Governor's Facebook: "actions of Odessa, to neutralize and apprehend the armed terrorists were considered legitimate. (Translated by Bing) http://www.odnako.org/blogs/boy-za-slavyansk-onlayn-translyaciya-obnovleno-2255/

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 9:39:50 PM | 127

Posted by: ProPeace | May 2, 2014 9:32:37 PM | 122

"it's a certain ideology allowing the "elite"

"Elite" in a sense that говно might be considered "elite" terminology in comparison to дермо, maybe. Other than that, I cant think of any other way those "people" could be considered "elite".

Posted by: scalawag | May 2, 2014 9:44:51 PM | 128

danish FM Bildt weeps crocodile tears and blames the pro-russians
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=588280061270290&set=a.174663485965285.35269.100002649046845&type=1&theater&notif_t=photo_reply

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 9:48:51 PM | 129

@120
so they removed their accounts..interesting

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 9:57:55 PM | 130

103, you need to back away from Chomsky and read Peter Dale Scott and others. Oh, and JFK did want to take apart the CIA. That should mean something to you.

Posted by: Bob In Portland | May 2, 2014 10:03:48 PM | 131

what we see in Odessa may have been the fate of Krimea had they not pushed their referendum forward and taken evasive action to ensure Pravy sektor murderers were neutralised.Pravy sektor was in krimea but was taken out by what may have been russian speznatz forces

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 10:04:18 PM | 132

@113

A conspiracy of what, Hollywood actors?

Was Arthur Miller in the f*cking 'financial' conspiracy too?

What have you been smoking? Instead of going after bankers or government officials, McCarthy targeted celebrities.

Posted by: Massinissa | May 2, 2014 10:12:03 PM | 133

@106

So, did this 'real threat' include goddamn Arthur Miller?

Im sorry im not buying this. If McCarthy had gone after important people instead of writers and hollywood celebrities maybe I would believe this.

Posted by: Massinissa | May 2, 2014 10:19:02 PM | 134

Ah, seems like people missed the point wildly on Chomsky once again.

Okay, so he says Russia's move violated existing treaties. Sure. Did he not then, immediately, go on to validate the Russian case by stating its major points?

Is that point not, anyway, just a very minor set up anyway for the main thesis: that whatever Russia has done, it is eclipsed a thousand times over even by very recent US crimes?

Chomsky should be criticized as anyone should, and Bob in Portland points to a particular case where he deserves a closer look (and has received it, see Parenti, Chossudovsky, and others). But does the guy who has laid out the groundwork for most of the critique of the US empire since the early 1960s really deserve to be called "asshole" "coward" and "gatekeeper" all for making a simple statement of fact in the set up for a blistering critique of US power?

I really don't think so. The complete devaluing of people over what are really some pretty small divergences is completely self-destructive.

Posted by: guest77 | May 2, 2014 10:26:00 PM | 135

Looks like Ukraine was again the focus of this week's "Comment" with George Galloway.

...


@Rowan: Always wondered what you think of Galloway actually. Love? Hate? Indifferent?

Posted by: guest77 | May 2, 2014 10:30:07 PM | 136

@131 guest77- i agree with you. i don't know the full context, but chomsky is a bit of the pain in the ass for never coming out and speaking truth over a number of topics.. however he has been a ''selective'' thorn in the side of usa foreign policy and for that i am grateful.

Posted by: james | May 2, 2014 10:46:57 PM | 137

#131 in fact, all ad hominem vision obscures our understanding of the facts on the ground. We should beware this tendency that arises in each of us and flatten it as it appears.

Posted by: Grieved | May 2, 2014 10:50:02 PM | 138

Posted by: Massinissa | May 2, 2014 10:12:03 PM | 129, 130

McCarthy went after dissidents. Any dissidents. He went after a lot more people than artistic types, he also went after military people, government employees, etc. He went after anybody the fascist US government at that time deemed could be a threat to their rule. Like the Palmer raids after WW1, McCarthy's purpose was to destroy what leftwing/independent movements existed in the USA.

Posted by: scalawag | May 2, 2014 10:50:43 PM | 139

I'm not interested in discussing irrelevancies. I go away to sleep for five hours and when I come back the disinformationalists are talking to each other on here, creating an illusion of an alternative community discourse. The next step is that they will multiply apparently spontaneously, all jamming on variations of the riff: "How glad I am to find a site where people are open-minded enough not to dismiss Gordon Duff/ Judy Wood/ electromagnetic scalar weapons/ Jeff Rense/ alien abductions/ the truth about JFK/ the fake Spanish air controller!" etc etc etc, and swarm the site. I'm talking about "HAHA" and "ProPeace". Still if bernhard is good with that, it's his funeral.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 2, 2014 10:52:19 PM | 140

@131

I agree with you. Chomsky is no saint, noone is. And hes wrong on plenty of things. But I dont see what harm he causes. So why people get so vitriolic about him when hes ultimately a harmless old man, I fail to understand. So he doesnt believe 9/11 was a false flag, big deal, neither does 90% of the population, that and some other mistakes dont invalidate his opinions completely.

Posted by: Massinissa | May 2, 2014 10:53:37 PM | 141

From yesterday, 1 May.

http://lifenews.ru/news/132472 Зарубежные журналисты покинули Славянск из-за угрозы штурма

"Foreign journalists have fled because of the threat of assault Slovyansk

The experience of other countries, it is a sure sign of an early start of the storming of the city.

As the correspondent of LifeNews from Slavonic go from foreign journalists, suggesting a possible imminent start of the assault on the city.

According to the journalist, experience shows that if the city leaving reporters to foreign media reports, this is a sure sign of imminent outbreak of hostilities. So it was in Baghdad and Belgrade, where the armed forces began bombing only after the departure of the representatives of the foreign press.

On the eve of the storming of the roadblocks in the supporters of the "right sector," said People's Mayor Vyacheslav Ponomarev Sloviansk. According to him, the assault could begin in the next two days.

Radicals have already announced the mobilization in the Dnipropetrovsk region . They are ordered to contact captains and arrive in full combat gear in the building of the Dnepropetrovsk State Ministry of Interior of Ukraine. The Interior Ministry promised to equip nationalists and provide equipment for redeployment to the eastern border region.

According to the commander of the militia Donbass Slovyansk surrounded by heavy equipment and artillery. Around the city has accumulated more than 17,000 military, special units, as well as militants "right sector." In the forest belt, they lay mines and barbed wire.

In late April, there were satellite photos Ukrainian military units stationed at Slavonic. Reported that the group has more than 15,000 members of the Army and the National Guard of Ukraine, about 160 tanks, 230 armored infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, as well as no less than 150 pieces, mortars and multiple launch rocket systems "Grad" and "Twister."

So the western propaganda lie factories got word of a potentially devastating assault on the city, pulled their phony journalists out, and said nothing about it in their bogus reports. That's called collusion, and it's obvious the west is detail organizing these war crimes on the Ukrainian people, even down to removing their propaganda assets from areas they plan to attack. Apparently, the west thought their nazi puppets and mercs would have more success, than torching a building full of protestors.

Posted by: scalawag | May 2, 2014 11:22:52 PM | 142

The evening battle for Kramatorsk in Ukraine's southeast has ended, leaving one defender of the city dead and nine others wounded. The pro-Kiev forces have been unable to enter the city controlled by supporters of federalism in Ukraine. Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_03/Night-battle-for-Kramatorsk-over-sides-counting-losses-4193/

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 11:33:08 PM | 143

It is astonishing to watch the scenes from Ukraine and know that these are the same narrow, country roads that columns of Panzers once rolled down. The same roadside ditches that at least some of the 20 million bodies - Russian and Ukrainian both - lay. The same patches of roadside trees that Soviet Partisans ambushed the Nazi invaders from. Astonishing because we see how eager that same death-worshipping ideology which brought tragedy to these small towns nearly 70 years ago is wanting - and succeeding - in bringing tragedy again.

...

Knowing the horrifying tactics that the United States Security State has carried out in Iraq, Syria, and Central America, I can't help but think that such horrific events like this fire that has killed scores in Odessa is exactly the kind of thing that the West is seeking.

Bloodshed and death are what passes for nation-building among western tacticians, and their main goal here is to build a "Ukraine" by spreading, as far as possible east, the fascistic, racist feeling that was previously found only in Galacia and Lvov (and even there, only in extremist tendencies).

The question at this point is where the border lies between a neofascist Ukrainian ultra-nationalist state - ultimately rejected by the EU and left only as a puppet of the United States - and the real world.

With the bloody Maidan coup, I believe the die was cast and Russia knew that there will be no such thing as Ukraine in its 1991 - 2014 form. Now we see only a battle to a) shore up, through death and bloodletting, the west of Ukraine and push it as far east as possible by NATO adventurers and the Ukrainian ultras and b) the response by the people of the East, backed morally and materially but likely not militarily, to draw that border at the very, very least to the 1921 border dismantled by Lenin.

The use of the MANPADS on not one but two helicopters, if confirmed, shows that preparations in the East are far, far more advanced than most people suspected, and that the people there are most certainly ready for any kind of assault and that losses on the side of the security service will not be negligible. As many have pointed out here - it is not the Russians who would face guerrilla war in Ukraine, but the forces of the junta in Kiev.

Posted by: guest77 | May 2, 2014 11:44:09 PM | 144

Among Obama's national security advisors:

Thomas E. Donilon, former member of the Steering Committee of the Bilderberg Group and, according to Wiki, during his time with the Clinton administration he was "intimately involved ... with the expansion of NATO

Susan Rice
Samantha Power
Brzezinski

If Obama is not in agreement with the views of those who were picked to be his security advisors, he should either pick different advisors who more closely reflect his beliefs or if he is in some way being forced to take on these creeps, he should have the integrity to resign. Either way, he's responsible. I believe in judging a person by his actions as they reflect his true character and I don't fall in love with politicians.

And about JFK: he also wanted to take on Wall Street:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ropqyzCx9sA

Posted by: Fran Too | May 2, 2014 11:54:34 PM | 145

@113 ProPeace

Everybody calls me sir. How do you know I am an old bastard? Nevertheless, unless we see it with our own eyes and ears, we have to question everything.


Posted by: HAHA | May 3, 2014 12:16:00 AM | 146

Russian Market @russian_market · 7h
Monster! “@carlbildt: Horrible with at least 38 dead in Odessa. Seems to have started with pro-Russian attempt to get control of buildings!”

Russian Market @russian_market · 7h
Insanity continues. Now Kiev blames Russia for today's murders in Odessa. https://twitter.com/rus.../status/462337343618572288/photo/1

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 12:34:52 AM | 147

Russian Market @russian_market · 8h
40 people burnt alive in Odessa. Now NATO-media has a huge problem cause thanks to their weapon Social Media we all witness WHO & HOW did it

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 12:39:10 AM | 148

guest77@131

It's not reality, it's the commentators and their commentary on reality - torn apart and seized upon at random, grabbag fashion - that counts, apparently. It's a spectator's 'sport'.

Posted by: john francis lee | May 3, 2014 12:44:14 AM | 149

and from the WTF files: Russian Market @russian_market · 9h
This is insane. Ukrainian "whom ever he can be but not a human being" calls people who died in Odessa fire 'Negroes' https://www.youtube.com/embed/vv9_z6Cdf3g

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 12:45:16 AM | 150

colinjames @ 92: Good synopsis, I agree.

bevin @ 94: Great link, thanks. Kinda' explains the main reason for the ongoing "Russiaphobia". God forbid the peons of the world sharing some of the wealth.

Posted by: ben | May 3, 2014 1:20:04 AM | 151

@140

And thats his National Security advisers! His Economic advisers in the past have also been laughable, maybe moreso!!

Larry Summers?! Rahm Emanual?! Jack Lew?!

LOL!! And people think Obama is left wing, when he surrounds himself with corporatist right wing wall street democrats like that?! His crew was more neoliberal than Clintons!!

I somehow doubt the CIA forced him at gunpoint to pick Rahm f*cking Emanuel as his chief of staff!!

He surrounds himself with Neoconservatives for Foreign Policy and Neoliberals for Economic policy, and people think hes some kind of left wing socialist radical!! I dont understand this shit. If hes such a puppet he cant even influence his own staff then hes worthless, and my bet is he chose these people because they align with him ideologically.

Posted by: Massinissa | May 3, 2014 1:47:42 AM | 152

https://www.facebook.com/notes/truth-about-situation-in-ukraine/bbc-lies-about-odessa-massacre-in-ukraine/1496822293874451?comment_id=1496828060540541&notif_t=like
BBC lies about Odessa Massacre in Ukraine
May 3, 2014 at 2:31pm
Suggested to be written as a note by a member. Great idea. Thanks.

Read for yourself the disinformation BBC provides about Odessa

"Deaths came as pro-Russian protesters clashed with Ukrainian government supporters in the city."
- Reality: Deaths came as Right Sector Militants were bussed in from Kiev and West Ukraine to suppress Anti-fascists in Odessa.

"Reports suggest that both pro-Russians and supporters of Kiev were throwing petrol bombs in the area"
- Reality: The only reports that suggest pro-Russians were throwing petrol bombs, are mainstream corporate media networks such as BBC. Why would pro-Russians be throwing petrol bombs when they're trapped inside of a building?

"Protesters were pictured throwing petrol bombs at the building"
- Here we go with the "Protester" business. Whenever it's Right Sector, they're protesters, and whenever they're pro-Russians, they are terrorists.

"The fire broke out in Odessa's Trade Unions House, the regional office of Ukraine's interior ministry said. It did not give details of how the blaze started."
- Well that's convenient! It didn't give details of how the blaze started! Probably because Corporate media doesn't want to inform it's public that it's the Neo-Nazis who started the fire.

"The exact sequence of events is still unclear, but reports suggest the separatists had barricaded themselves inside the building and both sides were throwing petrol bombs."
- Oh really? So while Anti-fascists were stuck in the burning building, they decided to light up Molotov cocktails instead of try to survive. Makes perfect sense!

"Ukrainian Deputy Foreign Minister Danylo Lubkivsky told the BBC he regretted the loss of life but insisted Russia was behind the violence. 'The situation remains under control. But the security situation is threatened by Russian special agents' he said."
- Lubkivsky has no credibility period. And how exactly is Russia behind the violence? What good would it do? Let's play the game of let's blame them for what we're doing.

It's clear the BBC is trying to paint the Right Sector as victims of the fire as well, or wait "pro-government supporters". And they also want to give the impression that Anti-Fascists were asking for it since they too were apparently throwing petrol bombs.

The rest of the article is of course garbage as usual, reinforcing their garbage. What more could you expect from the BBC?

BBC Link
http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-2725962

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 1:49:54 AM | 153

obama lost his credibility as a candidate for change when he surrounded himself with people like Rahm Emmanual

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 1:55:42 AM | 154

Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 9:17:39 PM | 118

That's why I wrote "deliberate 'confusion'" instead of "confusion". There's a helluvalot to cover up but the Western media is still sticking to the narrative. With a few exceptions, because there have to be exceptions when something is so blatantly obvious.

Posted by: fairleft | May 3, 2014 2:00:30 AM | 155

@148

I know this is not the moment, but one day when the dust settles a bit I look forward to the studies that show the extent of the media collusion during this episode, and some measure of the lost faith in news media, country by country, of the general public. Nothing happens without consequences, over time.

Posted by: Grieved | May 3, 2014 2:02:29 AM | 156

@151

Eventually most citizens of the USSR figured out Pravda was blatant propaganda.

Modern media is just as bad if not worse than Pravda ever was, so hopefully people will figure it out at some point.

Posted by: Massinissa | May 3, 2014 2:05:03 AM | 157

Germany's "leading business magazine" losing patience

Europa darf den USA in der Ukraine-Krise nicht das Feld überlassen. Washington hat seit dem 11. September 2001 das Vertrauen in seine Urteilsfähigkeit und seine Integrität so schwer beschädigt, dass der Rest der Welt kein Vertrauen mehr hat in die Führungsrolle der USA. Für Europa steht zu viel auf dem Spiel. Dialog und konkrete Vorschläge an Russland zur strategischen Partnerschaft mit dem Westen sind das Gebot der Stunde. Schon mit einem neutralen Status oder einer föderalen Struktur der Ukraine ließe sich die Krise entschärfen.

Translation: Europe should not follow the US in the Ukraine crisis. Since September 11,2011 Washington has damaged the trust in its judgement and integrity so badly that the rest of the world has no more confidence in the leading role of the United States. There is too much risk for Europe. It is time for dialogue and concrete proposals to Russia for a strategic partnership with the West. The crisis can be easily defused by offering a neutral or federative status of Ukraine.

Posted by: somebody | May 3, 2014 2:09:07 AM | 158

Sorry, haven't been following the comments, so I may be redundant. But check the map at wapo today. Tank divisions against tank divisions, roughly. Pretty graphic. Full of information. Or not. But insane. Completely ... insane.

In the various bubbles of power it's about the past sell date of the current Enemy. Americans don't care about the Muslim bogeyman any more. Too many dead and devastated Americans, too much money lost, too far away. The threat has worn off.

Obama needs his presidential library, the Democratic party needs their reelection contributions. A new threat is required.

The people want their problems solved. God forbid.

So what the people need is a newly minted Fear.

It's not about 'Hegemony' in practical terms. It's about contracts, presidential libraries and campaign contributions.

The deep state may be thinking hegemony, but the tiny sociopathic minds of our president and his minions are more practical.

And the press, the press. Not what the founders had in mind.

I had recurring nightmares as a kid in the 50s of the Russians bombing. We ducked and covered in the second grade. The slime are taking us there again.

In 1954 my father and uncles were only 9 years back from Remagen and the Bulge and the South Pacific.

A stop needs to be put to this, somehow.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2014 2:12:33 AM | 159

By the way, Kyiv oligarchs are forced to fight for international banks

IWF spielt ein falsches Spiel

Das 17 Milliarden Dollar schwere Hilfsprogramm des Internationalen Währungsfonds (IWF) für die Ukraine soll angeblich die Zahlungsfähigkeit des Landes gewährleisten. Tatsächlich aber dürfte es vor allem darum gehen, den internationalen Banken den Ausstieg aus den ukrainischen Staatsanleihen zu finanzieren – wie in Griechenland..

Translation: IMF fraud: The 17 billion aid programme by the IMF for Ukraine officially ensures the country's ability to pay in fact enables international banks to withdraw from Ukrainian bonds - as in Greece.

Posted by: somebody | May 3, 2014 2:17:11 AM | 160

'From 1983 to 1988, the United States Army and Air Force conducted what they told us was war games. In 1985 to 1988, I was a Corporal in a secretive unit called the 41st Field Artillery based in Schwabisch Gmund, West Germany. We were constantly in the field. Our mission was to simulate nuclear war with the East Germans and the Soviet Union with tactical nuclear weapons. Our sister unit was in Neu-Ulm and designated the 81st Field Artillery. Both units were considered Quick Reaction Forces (QRA) and were actively erecting mobile nuclear weapons in the Black Forest of Germany and many times only a few miles from the borders of East Germany and Czechoslovakia. We often sent what we called “Azimuth Star” disinformation in the open and encrypted to misdirect the Soviet forces and their allies. My fellow cryptos and I broke many classified codes from their responses which gave us an abundance of frantic communication from the Soviet command to their field units. It was called operation Able Archer and Reforger. Only, I didn’t know that the “simulated” war was the edge of nuclear insanity.

Reagan and his Generals had installed a new class of mobile missile erectors in Germany which were able to set-up, fire a nuclear warhead, and move rapidly to another launch site. I can still remember opening the safes that held targeting data and launch codes. I had a Top Secret security clearance and hence was privy to nearly all classified materials. We mated the warheads, erected the missiles, and counted down to launch until the last second when command, with a new intranet communication device (the internet’s beginning), would call a stand down before the end of the launch cycle.'
http://www.countercurrents.org/miller300414.htm
mobile nuclear weapons in germany....and US complained about cuba and Kruschevs missles!

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 2:17:57 AM | 161

Steiner ‏@Steiner1776 10h
@PaulaSlier_RT Reporter saying that right sector is executing pro russians https://twitter.com/romanMOWrussia/status/462317526220025856/photo/1

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 2:52:31 AM | 162

brian, just a simple point:

I had a Top Secret security clearance and hence was privy to nearly all classified materials.

Anyone who says this is an ignorant fraud writing for ignorant readers. I have seen other so-called "whistleblowers" make this same ignorant error, which identifies them immediately as worthless. The reason is very simple: there is no global "Top Secret" clearance. The way the TS/SCI system works is quite simple and quite well-known; you can look it up on wikipedia, but I shall spare you their clotted prose. It's like this: Top Secret clearance as such gives you no access to anything whatsoever. It is merely the condition resulting from a vetting by the OPM, though rather bizarrely the actual research is performed by a private company, USIS. This is a prerequisite to actually taking up employment with any entity which handles TS/SCI data. So if you are offered such a job, there will be a delay of up to six months before this process is completed and you can actually take up employment. Once you are in, you can then be "initiated" into one or several "compartments" in which TS/SCI data is stored. This "initiation" is at the discretion of your employer, and it gives you no access to any data not stored within the specific "compartment" or "compartments" necessary to your work. That's it.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 3, 2014 3:05:18 AM | 163

Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 10h
RT @pravolivo 59s Separatists on Zello channel say #Sloviansk "people's mayor" Ponomaryov is dead. #cdnpoli #Ukraine

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 3:08:39 AM | 164

@158

Is it possible he wasnt meaning it literally, but trying to put the clearance he had into terms the average joe, who doesnt know the proper lexicon like you do, can understand?

Posted by: Massinissa | May 3, 2014 3:13:23 AM | 165

RT America ‏@RT_America 6h
Dozens killed in eastern #Ukraine violence [VIDEO] http://ow.ly/wqR9m @PaulaSlier_RT #Donetsk #Slavyansk #Odessa

Nikolaas Klaas ‏@NikolaKaurin 2h
@RT_America @PaulaSlier_RT Hi Paula what are the #Slavyansk residents saying about #Odessa?
PaulaSlier_RT
‏@PaulaSlier_RT
@NikolaKaurin shocked! People here are shocked! They waiting for #Russia to respond!
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NOW had this been syria/iran etc, we'd have US and EU waging sanctions and invoking R2P

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 3:21:16 AM | 166

Milos Lazarevic @miloslazaNBG22 · 8h
"Separatists" in Donetsk storm building. Deaths:0

"Patriots" storm building in Odessa. Deaths: 42 and counting

Need one say more?

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 3:25:28 AM | 167

brian

Exactly! Remember libya , oh then west had to intervene to protect, but now? No now the psychopath obama and EU is supporting the massacres!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2014 3:36:01 AM | 168

Also of note: Both, the Washington Post and the BBC have started to use the term "rebels" to describe the federalists.
So has the CBC, specifically As It Happens. Which tells me one thing: this is a financial coup. To destroy the Ukraine by forcing it to join the EU; the Ukraine will be forced to dissolve their currency as a result. Then the bond vigilantes can take over by raping the Ukraine's natural resources, or what's left of the Ukraine.

Posted by: MRW | May 3, 2014 3:40:52 AM | 169

from Yameen Khan :
"To place the coup in Ukraine in historical context, this is at least the 80th time the United States has organized a coup or a failed coup in a foreign country since 1953. That was when President Eisenhower discovered in Iran that the CIA could overthrow elected governments who refused to sacrifice the future of their people to Western commercial and geopolitical interests. Most U.S. coups have led to severe repression, disappearances, extrajudicial executions, torture, corruption, extreme poverty and inequality, and prolonged setbacks for the democratic aspirations of people in the countries affected. The plutocratic and ultra-conservative nature of the forces the U.S. has brought to power in Ukraine make it unlikely to be an exception.
Noam Chomsky calls William Blum's classic, Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions since World War II, "Far and away the best book on the topic." If you're looking for historical context for what you are reading or watching on TV about the coup in Ukraine, Killing Hope will provide it. The title has never been more apt as we watch the hopes of people from all regions of Ukraine being sacrificed on the same altar as those of people in Iran (1953); Guatemala(1954); Thailand (1957); Laos (1958-60); the Congo (1960); Turkey (1960, 1971 & 1980); Ecuador (1961 & 1963); South Vietnam (1963); Brazil (1964); the Dominican Republic (1963); Argentina (1963); Honduras (1963 & 2009); Iraq (1963 & 2003); Bolivia (1964, 1971 & 1980); Indonesia (1965); Ghana (1966); Greece (1967); Panama (1968 & 1989); Cambodia (1970); Chile (1973); Bangladesh (1975); Pakistan (1977); Grenada (1983); Mauritania (1984); Guinea (1984); Burkina Faso (1987); Paraguay (1989); Haiti (1991 & 2004); Russia (1993); Uganda (1996);and Libya (2011). This list does not include a roughly equal number of failed coups, nor coups in Africa and elsewhere in which a U.S. role is suspected but unproven.
The disquieting reality of the world we live in is that American efforts to destroy democracy, even as it pretends to champion it, have left the world less peaceful, less just and less hopeful. When Harold Pinter won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2005, at the height of the genocidal American war on Iraq, he devoted much of his acceptance speech to an analysis of this dichotomy. He said of the U.S., "It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It's a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis… Brutal, indifferent, scornful and ruthless it may be, but it is also very clever."
The basic framework of U.S. coups has hardly evolved since 1953. The main variables between coups in different places and times have been the scale and openness of the U.S. role and the level of violence used. There is a strong correlation between the extent of U.S. involvement and the level of violence. At one extreme, the U.S. war on Iraq was a form of regime change that involved hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops and killed hundreds of thousands of people. On the other hand, the U.S. role in General Suharto's coup in Indonesia in 1965 remained covert even as he killed almost as many people. Only long after the fact didU.S. officials take credit for their role in Suharto's campaign of mass murder, and it will be some time before they brag publicly about their roles in Ukraine.
But as Harold Pinter explained, the U.S. has always preferred "low-intensity conflict" to full-scale invasions and occupations. The CIA and U.S. special forces use proxies and covert operations to overthrow governments and suppress movements that challenge America's insatiable quest for global power. A coup is the climax of such operations, and it is usually only when these "low-intensity" methods fail that a country becomes a target for direct U.S. military aggression. Iraq only became a target for U.S. invasion and occupation after a failed CIA coup in June 1996. The U.S. attacked Panama in 1989 only after five CIA coup attempts failed to remove General Noriega from power. After long careers as CIA agents, both Hussein and Noriega had exceptional knowledge of U.S. operations and methods that enabled them to resist regime change by anything less than overwhelming U.S. military force."
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Yameen Khan But most U.S. coups follow a model that has hardly changed between 1953 and the latest coup in Ukraine in 2014. This model has three stages:

1) Creating and strengthening opposition forces

In the early stages of a U.S. plan for regime change, there is little difference between the methods used to achieve it at the ballot box or by an anti-constitutional coup. Many of these tools and methods were developed to install right-wing governments in occupied countries in Europe and Asia after World War II. They include forming and funding conservative political parties, student groups, trade unions and media outlets, and running well-oiled propaganda campaigns both in the country being targeted and in regional, international and U.S. media.
Post-WWII Italy is a case in point. At the end of the war, the U.S. used the American Federation of Labor's agents in France and Italy to funnel money through non-communist trade unions to conservative candidates and political parties. But socialists and communists won a plurality of votes in the 1946 election in Italy, and then joined forces to form the Popular Democratic Front for the next election in 1948. The U.S. worked with the Catholic Church, conducted a massive propaganda campaign using Italian-American celebrities like Frank Sinatra, and printed 10 million letters for Italian-Americans to mail to their relatives in Italy. The U.S. threatened a total cut-off of aid to the war-ravaged country, where allied bombing had killed 50,000 civilians and left much of the country in ruins.
The FDP was reduced from a combined 40% of the votes in 1946 to 31% in 1948, leaving Italy in the hands of increasingly corrupt U.S.-backed coalitions led by the Christian Democrats for the next 46 years. Italy was saved from an imaginary communist dictatorship, but more importantly from an independent democratic socialist program committed to workers' rights and to protecting small and medium-sized Italian businesses against competition from U.S. multinationals.
The U.S. employed similar tactics in Chile in the 1960s to prevent the election of Salvador Allende. He came within 3% of winning the presidency in 1958, so the Kennedy administration sent a team of 100 State Department and CIA officers to Chile in what one of them later called a "blatant and almost obscene" effort to subvert the next election in 1964. The CIA provided more than half the Christian Democrats' campaign funds and launched a multimedia propaganda campaign on film, TV, radio, newspapers, posters and flyers. This classic "red scare" campaign, dominated by images of firing squads and Soviet tanks, was designed mainly to terrify women. The CIA produced 20 radio spots per day that were broadcast on at least 45 stations, as well as dozens of fabricated daily "news" broadcasts. Thousands of posters depicted children with hammers and sickles stamped on their foreheads. The Christian Democrat Eduardo Frei defeated Allende by 17%, with a huge majority among women.
But despite the U.S. propaganda campaign, Allende was finally elected in 1970. When he consolidated his position in Congressional elections in 1973 despite a virtual U.S. economic embargo and an ever-escalating destabilization campaign, his fate was sealed, at the hands of the CIA and the U.S.-backed military, led by General Pinochet.
In Ukraine, the U.S. has worked since independence in 1991 to promote pro-Western parties and candidates, climaxing in the "Orange Revolution" in 2004. But the Western-backed governments of Viktor Yushchenko and Yulia Tymoshenko became just as corrupt and unpopular as previous ones, and former Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich was elected President in 2010.
The U.S. employed all its traditional tactics leading up to the coup in 2014. The U.S. National Endowment for Democracy (NED) has partially taken over the CIA's role in grooming opposition candidates, parties and political movements, with an annual budget of $100 million to spend in countries around the world. The NED made no secret of targeting Ukraine as a top priority,funding 65 projects there, more than in any other country. The NED's neoconservative president, Carl Gershman, called Ukraine "the biggest prize" in a Washington Post op-ed in September 2013, as the U.S. operation there prepared to move into its next phase.
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Yameen Khan 2) Violent street demonstrations

In November 2013, the European Union presented President Yanukovich with a 1,500 page "free trade agreement," similar to NAFTA or the TPP, but which withheld actual EU membership from Ukraine. The agreement would have opened Ukraine's borders to Western exports and investment without a reciprocal opening of the EU's borders. Ukraine, a major producer of cheese and poultry, would have been allowed to export only 5% of its cheese and 1% of its poultry to the EU. Meanwhile Western firms could have used Ukraine as a gateway to flood Russia with cheap products from Asia. This would have forced Russia to close its borders to Ukraine, shattering the industrial economy of Eastern Ukraine.
Understandably, and for perfectly sound reasons as a Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovich rejected the EU agreement. This was the signal for pro-Western and right-wing groups in Kiev to take to the street. In the West, we tend to interpret street demonstrations as representing surges of populism and democracy. But we should distinguish left-wing demonstrations against right-wing governments from the kind of violent right-wing demonstrations that have always been part of U.S. regime change strategy.
In Tehran in 1953, the CIA spent a million dollars to hire gangsters and "extremely competent professional organizers", as the CIA's Kermit Roosevelt called them, to stage increasingly violent demonstrations, until loyal and rebel army units were fighting in the streets of Tehran and at least 300 people were killed. The CIA spent millions more to bribe members of parliament and other influential Iranians. Mossadegh was forced to resign, and the Shah restored Western ownership of the oil industry. BP divided the spoils with American firms, until the Shah was overthrown 26 years later by the Iranian Revolution and the oil industry was re-nationalized. This pattern of short-term success followed by eventual independence from U.S. interests is a common result of CIA coups, most notably in Latin America, where they have led many of our closest neighbors to become increasingly committed to political and economic independence from the United States.
In Haiti in 2004, 200 U.S. special forces trained 600 FRAPH militiamen and other anti-Lavalas forces at a training camp across the border in the Dominican Republic. These forces then invaded northern Haiti and gradually spread violence and chaos across the country to set the stage for the overthrow of President Aristide.
In Ukraine, street protests turned violent in January 2014 as the neo-NaziSvoboda Party and theRight Sector militia took charge of the crowds in the streets. The Right Sector militia only appeared in Ukraine in the past 6 months, although it incorporated existing extreme-right groups and gangs. It is partly funded by Ukrainian exiles in the U.S. and Europe, and may be a creation of the CIA. After Right Sector seized government buildings, parliament outlawed the protests and the police reoccupied part of Independence Square, killing two protesters.
On February 7th, the Russians published an intercepted phone call betweenAssistant Secretary of State Nuland and U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt. The intercept revealed that U.S. officials were preparing to seize the moment for a coup in Ukraine. The transcript reads like a page from a John Le Carre novel: "I think we're in play… we could land jelly-side up on this one if we move fast." Their main concern was to marginalize heavyweight boxing champion Vitali Klitschko, who had become the popular face of the "revolution" and was favored by the European Union, and to ensure that U.S. favorite Arseniy Yatsenyuk ended up in the Prime Minister's office.
On the night of February 17th, Right Sector announced a march from Independence Square to the parliament building on the 18th. This ignited several days of escalating violence in which the death toll rose to 110 people killed, including protesters, government supporters and 16 police officers. More than a thousand people were wounded. Vyacheslav Veremyi, a well-known reporter for a pro-government newspaper, was dragged out of a taxi near Independence Square and shot to death in front of a crowd of onlookers. Right Sector broke into an armory near Lviv and seized military weapons, and there is evidence of both sides using snipers to fire from buildings in Kiev at protesters and police in the streets and the square below. Former security chief Yakimenko believes that snipers firing from the Philharmonic building were U.S.-paid foreign mercenaries, like the snipers from the former Yugoslavia who earn up to $2,000 per day shooting soldiers in Syria.
As violence raged in the streets, the government and opposition parties held emergency meetings and reached two truce agreements, one on the night of February 19th and another on the 21st, brokered by the foreign ministers of France, Germany and Poland. But Right Sector rejected both truces and called for the "people's revolution" to continue until Yanukovich resigned and the government was completely removed from power.


Yameen Khan:
3) The coup d'etat.
The creation and grooming of opposition forces and the spread of violence in the streets are deliberate strategies to create a state of emergency as a pretext for removing an elected or constitutional government and seizing power. Once the coup leaders have been trained and prepared by their CIA case officers, U.S. officials have laid their plans and street violence has broken down law and order and the functioning of state institutions, all that remains is to strike decisively at the right moment to remove the government and install the coup leaders in its place. In Iran, faced with hundreds of people being killed in the streets, Mohammad Mosaddegh resigned to end the bloodshed. In Chile, General Pinochet launched air strikes on the presidential palace. In Haiti in 2004, U.S. forces landed to remove President Aristide and occupy the country.
In Ukraine, Vitaly Klitschko announced that parliament would open impeachment proceedings against Yanukovich, but, later that day, lacking the 338 votes required for impeachment, a smaller number of members simply approved a declaration that Yanukovich "withdrew from his duties in an unconstitutional manner," and appointed Oleksandr Turchynov of the opposition Fatherland Party as Acting President. Right Sector seized control of government buildings and patrolled the streets. Yanukovich refused to resign, calling this an illegal coup d'etat. The coup leaders vowed to prosecute him for the deaths of protesters, but he escaped to Russia. Arseniy Yatsenyuk was appointed Prime Minister on February 27th, exactly as Nuland and Pyatt had planned.
The main thing that distinguishes the U.S. coup in Ukraine from the majority of previous U.S. coups was the minimal role played by the Ukrainian military. Since 1953, most U.S. coups have involved using local senior military officers to deliver the final blow to remove the elected or ruling leader. The officers have then been rewarded with presidencies, dictatorships or other senior positions in new U.S.-backed regimes. The U.S. military cultivates military-to-military relationships to identify and groom future coup leaders, and President Obama's expansion of U.S. special forces operations to 134 countries around the world suggests that this process is ongoing and expanding, not contracting.
But the neutral or pro-Russian position of the Ukrainian military since it was separated from the Soviet Red Army in 1991 made it an impractical tool for an anti-Russian coup. So Nuland and Pyatt's signal innovation in Ukraine was to use the neo-Nazi Svoboda Party and Right Sector as a strike force to unleash escalating violence and seize power. This also required managing Svoboda and Right Sector's uneasy alliance with Fatherland and UDAR, the two pro-Western opposition parties who won 40% between them in the 2012 parliamentary election.
Historically, about half of all U.S. coups have failed, and success is never guaranteed. But few Americans have ended up dead or destitute in the wake of a failed coup. It is always the people of the target country who pay the price in violence, chaos, poverty and instability, while U.S. coup leaders like Nuland and Pyatt often get a second - or 3rd or 4th or 5th - bite at the apple, and will keep rising through the ranks of the State Department and the CIA. Direct U.S. military intervention in Ukraine was not an option before the coup, but now the coup itself may destabilize the country and plunge it into economic collapse, regional disintegration or conflict with Russia, creating new and unpredictable conditions in which NATO intervention could become feasible.
Russia has proposed a reasonable solution to the crisis. To resolve the tensions between Eastern and Western Ukraine over their respective political and economic links with Russia and the West, the Russians have proposed a federal system in which both Eastern and Western Ukraine would have much greater autonomy. This would be more stable that the present system in which each tries to dominate the other with the support of their external allies, turning Ukraine and all its people into pawns of Western-NATO expansion and Russia's efforts to limit it. The Russian proposal includes a binding commitment that Ukraine would remain neutral and not join NATO. A few weeks ago, Obama and Kerry seemed to be ready to take this off-ramp from the crisis. The delay in agreeing to Russia's seemingly reasonable proposal may be only an effort to save face, or it may mean that theneocons who engineered the coupare still dictating policy in Washington and that Obama and Kerry may be ready to risk a further escalation of the crisis.
The U.S. coup machine has also been at work in Venezuela, where it already failed once in 2002. Raul Capote, a former Cuban double agent who worked with the CIA in Cuba and Venezuela, recently described its long-term project to build right-wing opposition movements among upper- and middle-class students in Venezuelan universities, which are now bearing fruit in increasingly violent street protests and vigilantism. Thirty-six people have been killed, including six police officers and at least 5 opposition protesters. The protests began exactly a month after municipal elections in December, in which the government won the popular vote by almost 10%, far more than the 1.5% margin in the presidential election last April. As in Chile in 1973, electoral success by an elected government is often the cue for the CIA to step up its efforts, moving beyond propaganda and right-wing politics to violence in the streets, and the popularity of the Venezuelan government seems to have provoked precisely that reaction.

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 3:42:57 AM | 170

Apparently they haven't budgeted quite enough to ensure the wished-for result on May 25th:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/2/usaid-beefs-support-for-ukrainian-media-amid-fresh/

Another example, like the recent fake twitter story, of USAID being used for geopolitical propaganda purposes. They report this in the WaPo and yet their readers are ready to believe that it's all Putin's fault, they are just "helping". The cognitive dissonance required to maintain so much willful ignorance must be enormous.

If we survive this episode, maybe people will finally stop blaming the simple Germans who did not stand up to Hitler. Who is standing up to his spiritual heirs now, apart froom the victims in Ukraine, Syria, Venezuela etc.? Not many, and their voices are systematically suppressed by the bought-and-paid-for media.

The internet challenges their information monopoly, though. I wonder how much longer it will be available in its current form.

Posted by: Austrian | May 3, 2014 3:50:52 AM | 171

@ Posted by: brian | May 2, 2014 9:48:51 PM | 125

danish FM Bildt weeps crocodile tears and blames the pro-russians

He's the Swedish foreign minister not the Danish one and yes there is a difference.

Dubhaltach

Posted by: Dubhaltach | May 3, 2014 3:53:25 AM | 172

@158 Is it possible he wasn't meaning it literally, but trying to put the clearance he had into terms the average joe, who doesnt know the proper lexicon like you do, can understand? Posted by: Massinissa | May 3, 2014 3:13:23 AM | 160
No, it isn't, because the whole point of the system is that nobody is "privy to nearly all classified materials" except the director. Regional managers in CIA would have a sort of generic SCI for all material relating to their regions, but they themselves are watched like hawks by the director. Nobody is "privy" to anything not directly related to their job. There are 1.4 million people in the US with "Top Secret" clearance, and obviously they aren't all able to delve into "nearly all classified materials." The British system is exactly the same, that's how I know that David Shayler was, though not an actual fraud, certainly exaggerating his knowledge considerably when he claimed to have seen all MI6's middle east files. He was a junior officer on the Libya desk: he had access to Libyan material, and if he needed to know anything about for instance the Egypt files, he would not be initiated into them unless absolutely necessary; he would have been provided with a brief containing precisely the answers to the specific questions he had asked, and no more. This brief itself would have had to be reclassified so that it could be included both within his own "compartment" and the one it came from. For this reason, it takes some time to get simple answers to simple questions.

Now how do I know this, you may wonder. Well, I've never held any clearance or worked for any entity of this sort, I'm happy to say. I've simply paid close attention to whatever I've seen online that bears on this, because it interests me greatly.

Another thing that fascinates me is the hardware architecture that embodies all this impressive secrecy. In relation to the manning case, I noticed a persistent confusion which I think was deliberate, in descriptions of his access. there are two hardware systems, I think, one for merely Secret material (SIPRnet) and another for Top Secret material (JWICS). Manning never had access to the latter and none of the material he gave to Wikileaks came from it, ie it was all merely Secret, none of it was Top Secret, contrary to these common accusations against him. As to the hardware, others on here disagree with me and say it is all one thing, hardware wise, but I have seen photos of distinct and separate wiring and terminals (what we would call desktop computers) dedicated to JWICS traffic only. Or at least, I think I have. So this is all very interesting and surprisingly obscure.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 3, 2014 3:53:41 AM | 173

@brian | May 3, 2014 3:42:57 AM | 165

Where's the link to what you copied?

Posted by: MRW | May 3, 2014 3:53:59 AM | 174

neutered! the end of swiss 'neutrality'
Russian Market ‏@russian_market 37m
Switzerland includes 10 more Russians in sanctions list.

- We are so pro-US & Pro-EU that we forget about our sheer #Neutrality.

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 4:45:56 AM | 175

@167

youre right...all these white scandinavians look alike

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 4:49:34 AM | 176

@brian | May 3, 2014 3:42:57 AM | 165,

This is the second time writing this. Puzzling. What is the link for the Yameen Khan stuff?

Posted by: MRW | May 3, 2014 4:52:05 AM | 177

PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 36m
Colleague in #Kramatorsk says the city is being attacked!
PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 27m
According to reports, ten people were killed and more than 30 injured in #Kramatorsk at night. All of them are pro-federalization supporters
PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 17m
People in #Slavyansk complain that Russian channels are no longer showing in the town. Ukrainian channels are back.

PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 23m
People in #Odessa are angry at the radical Right Sector for clashes yesterday that took lives of dozens.

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 4:53:37 AM | 178

Howard Amos reported from the scene. He said the pro-Russia side fired live ammunition and threw stones from the roof of the trade union building. (Graun)

This is one of the guys whose tweets appear on RT. They shouldn't, obviously.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 3, 2014 5:02:25 AM | 179

here's the tweet:
https://twitter.com/howardamos/status/462336397211607042

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 3, 2014 5:04:37 AM | 180

Russian Market @russian_market · 2h
Klitschko arrives to Odessa. “@howardamos: Angry crowd now around trade union building. Screaming and shouting: pic.twitter.com/8Sieo9ZFa9”

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 5:26:05 AM | 181

Thomas Jefferson — 'The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 5:28:36 AM | 182

this is how the euromaidan crowd treat the injured (contrast with how the injusted ukrainian pilot was treated by people in slavyonsk)
Retweeted 108 times
Nina Byzantina ‏@NinaByzantina 14h
Right Sector makes burn victims in #Odessa crawl down a "corridor of shame" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfqoWVwmP2Q … A bloody end to #UnitedforUkraine.

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 5:35:08 AM | 183

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9AMjLBIliw#t=131 Одесса дом профсоюзов ПОЛНОЕ ВИДЕО

(Google translation of the video description)

"Odessa Union Building, Full video.

During the mass clashes between supporters of Ukraine's unity and separatists in Odessa was an arson attack on the building trade unions. As a result, 38 people were killed: 8 jumped out of the window during a fire, 30 suffocated by carbon monoxide, according to CCA GUMVD area.

Currently, the fire is liquidated. At the scene works investigative team.

In the hospital turned 40 victims, 10 police officers were injured.

Recall now in Odessa at the procession of football fans and supporters for Evromaydana united Ukraine was attacked a few hundred people with St. George ribbons armed with bats, shields and guns. As a result of the gunshot wound killed a young man. After that the police for some time managed to calm people down, but soon clashes erupted with renewed vigor.


Ukraine clashes: dozens dead after Odessa building fire
Trade union building set alight after day of street battles in Black Sea resort city
More than 30 people were killed in violent and chaotic clashes in the southern Ukrainian city of Odessa on Friday as pro-Ukraine activists stormed a building defended by protesters opposed to the current government in Kiev and in favour of closer ties with Russia.

The violence continued on Saturday as Ukraine said its forces had attacked pro-Russian separatists in the industrial east of the country at dawn near the town of Kramatorsk.

Interior minister Arsen Avakov said Ukrainian forces had seized control of a television tower in Kramatorsk, near the rebel stronghold of Slavyansk where there was heavy fighting on Friday. "We are not stopping," Avakov wrote on his Facebook page, but gave no information on casualties.

Odessa's large Soviet-era trade union building was set alight on Friday as the pro-Ukraine activists mounted an assault as dusk fell. Police said at least 31 people choked to death on smoke or were killed when jumping out of windows after the trade union building was set on fire.

Bodies lay in pools of blood outside the main entrance as explosions from improvised grenades and molotov cocktails filled the air. Black smoke from the building and a burning pro-Russia protest camp wreathed the nearby square.

Pro-Russia fighters mounted a last-ditch defence of the burning building, throwing masonry and petrol bombs from the roof on to the crowd below.
Medics at the scene said the pro-Russia fighters were also shooting from the roof. At least five bodies with bullet wounds lay on the ground covered by Ukraine flags as fire engines and ambulances arrived at the scene.

Some people fell from the burning building as they hung on to windowsills in an attempt to avoid the fire that had taken hold inside. Pro-Ukraine protesters made desperate efforts to reach people with ropes and improvised scaffolding.

"At first we broke through the side, and then we came through the main entrance," said one pro-Ukrainian fighter, 20, who said he was a member of the extreme nationalist group Right Sector.

"They had guns and they were shooting ... Some people jumped from the roof, they died obviously," he said.

Riot police arrived on the scene as hand-to-hand fighting was already under way inside, but did not enter the building and stood formed up in ranks outside.
Within two hours of the assault beginning, the resistance from pro-Russia activists inside the building seemed to have been quelled. Several fire crews were spraying the smouldering building with water and ambulances lined the streets outside.

Bloody and dazed pro-Russia protesters were eventually escorted from the building. Many were handed over to police, and loaded on to police vans. Some were assaulted by the crowd."

Posted by: scalawag | May 3, 2014 5:43:06 AM | 184

revealing look at support/opposition for sanctions on russia in EU
Business New Europe @bizneweurope · 31m
EU is totally divided on its support for sanctions on #Russia

RT @edgarsrinkevics: ## pic.twitter.com/zogLnJMoQj

when its really the US that should be sanctioned..wonder how manyb eurios would want US sanctioned?...why so many swedes want to sanction russia?

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 5:46:21 AM | 185

Not sure if the link was already here, here's the video of the whole thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9AMjLBIliw

Posted by: Grim Deadman | May 3, 2014 5:48:51 AM | 186

Yeah scalwag is right there ahead of me.

Posted by: Grim Deadman | May 3, 2014 5:49:33 AM | 187

Nils van der Vegte @Nils18 · 2h
@akarlin88 I heard that there is a "people's friendship" train full with praviy Sektor people on its way to Kharkov now. If true, scary.

Anatoly Karlin @akarlin88 · 2h
Right Sector running wild in Odessa & Donetsk, murdering, looting. Kremlin propaganda is basically right, it just came with a high ping.

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 5:53:11 AM | 188

It is very unfortunate that few of the anti-maidan protestors had firearms. The bandera nazis and footie fans wouldn't have had the balls to attack them if that were the case. One doesn't see these chickenshit cowards attempting similar mob action in the Donbass, where they know the unarmed protestors are backed by armed self defense forces. RT has a piece about the mob attacks, that includes personal accounts of several people who were inside the building.

http://rt.com/news/156532-odessa-ukraine-brutal-attack/ ‘They beat us with bats and chains’ - anti-Maidan activist in Odessa

Posted by: scalawag | May 3, 2014 5:58:47 AM | 189

Anatoly Karlin @akarlin88 5h
Vladimir Nemirovsky, junta-appointed Odessa governor: "Odessans' actions to neutralize terrorists were legal." pic.twitter.com/gFTXQyD0ZT
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commiting extrajudicial murder is 'legal'? the sound you hear is the sound of nails driving into the odessas governors coffin

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 6:00:04 AM | 190

Andrey Davydov @FarEasterner · 2h
Yesterday Maidanites severely beat local legislators who tried to stop mayhem. One of them Mr Markin just died http://v-odesse.net/%d0%b2-%d0%be%d0%b4%d0%b5%d1%81%d1%81%d0%b5-%d0%b2-%d0%b3%d0%be%d1%81%d0%bf%d0%b8%d1%82%d0%b0%d0%bb%d0%b5-%d1%83%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%80-%d0%b4%d0%b5%d0%bf%d1%83%d1%82%d0%b0%d1%82-%d0%be%d0%b1%d0%bb%d1%81/
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no surprise the US supports murderers...for EU tho its embarrassing

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 6:03:22 AM | 191

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_03/Putin-expresses-condolences-to-Odessa-victims-none-to-authorities-0393/ Putin expresses condolences to Odessa victims, none to authorities

"Russian President Vladimir Putin has extended his deep condolences and sympathy for those killed and injured as a result of a bloody tragedy in Odessa, his Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said.

"Regrettably, we cannot express condolences to the official Kyiv as there is no official Kyiv as such," Peskov told reporters on Saturday. "(Putin) feels extremely concerned by how the situation is evolving and being interpreted in several countries of the global community," the spokesman said.

"Putin feels deepest indignation at the actions of the Kyiv authorities, which can be interpreted as a crime," his spokesman said."

Posted by: scalawag | May 3, 2014 6:08:59 AM | 192

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_03/Russia-deeply-regrets-Wests-approval-of-punitive-opeartion-in-Southeast-Ukraine-Putins-spokesman-8436/ Russia deeply regrets West's approval of punitive opeartion in southeast Ukraine - Putin's spokesman

"Moscow has called "cynicism" the position taken by Washington and a number of European capitals over the bloodshed in Odessa, Presidential Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said. He also said that the Kiev's authorities are responsible for the deaths of people in Odessa.

"The justification of the punitive operation by those who only a few months ago would not let the legitimate president, Viktor Yanukovych, restore order using legal means, are the highest manifestation of cynicism," Peskov told reporters on Saturday.

The Kremlin has callled 'ludicrous' the possibility of holding a presidential election in Ukraine amid growing violence, Dmitry Peskov said.

"After what happened in Odessa, against the background of the unwinding spiral of confrontation in the country's southeast, we do not understand what elections Kiev, European capitals and Washington are talking about," Peskov told reporters on Saturday.

The Kremlin has laid direct responsibility for the Odessa tragedy with the authorities in Kiev.

"The authorities in Kiev are not only directly responsible, they are direct accomplices in these criminal actions. Their hands are full of blood," Russian President's Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

Moscow is so far unclear how Russia would act amid growing confrontation in Ukraine. "I cannot answer this question, this element is absolutely new to us," Presidential Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said.

Moscow receives thousands of calls from southeast Ukraine, he said.

"People are calling in despair, asking for help, the overwhelming majority demand Russian help," he said. "All these calls are reported to Vladimir Putin," Peskov said.

Russia and its President Vladimir Putin will continue the policy aimed at de-escalation of the situation in Ukraine, Dmitry Peskov said.

"President Putin, Russia will continue the policy aimed at de-escalation. We shall do whatever is possible and wherever it is possible so as to follow the de-escalation path step by step," Peskov told reporters on Saturday.

Moscow has acknowledged finding no common ground with Western countries over Ukraine. "To our great regret, we acknowledge the diametrically opposed points of view on what is hapenning, full lack of understanding of the processes that are occuring there (in Ukraine)," Russian President's Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "This is either due to the impossibility to obtain credible information or the reluctance to accept it," he said.

"Such a radical change of position within just a few months is seen by us only as cynicism," he reiterated. Such an attitude is "being bred by involvement and responsibility in what is happening," the president's spokesman said.

When asked by reporters which Western official said about the monopoly to use violence, Peskov recalled that this is what the head of the EU diplomacy, Catherine Ashton, said a day earlier."Against the backdrop of the punitive operation, this statement is monstrous in itself: armed forces in the center of Europe shooting civilians, while Brussels claims about the government's monopoly to use violence," he said." (He was referring to war criminal Ashton, of "let's cover up the fact our people were the snipers on maidan" fame, cheerleading the kiev junta's recent attacks.)

Posted by: scalawag | May 3, 2014 6:16:49 AM | 193

Nina Byzantina @NinaByzantina · 3h
#Odessa police identified 8 bodies from the union-building fire so far: all are local residents. http://russian.rt.com/article/30405

#Ukraine #Одесса

Nina Byzantina @NinaByzantina · 2h
According to this #Odessa publication, all 42 dead from the fire & clashes were locals. #Ukraine #Одесса http://timer.od.ua/news/chislo_pogibshih_2_maya_dostiglo_42_vse_pogibshie_na_kulikovom_pole_odessiti_939.html

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 6:20:13 AM | 194

Anatoly Karlin @akarlin88 · 23m
All locals. And no weapons either, according to UA Interior Ministry. http://russian.rt.com/article/30401 Lies about Odessa massacre crumbling away.

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 6:23:48 AM | 195

Today's Ukraine News Links 2-3 May 2014

Posted by: William Bowles | May 3, 2014 6:24:00 AM | 196

http://news.mail.ru/politics/18061239/?frommail=1

MOSCOW, May 3 - RIA Novosti. In the Donetsk region in Ukraine, where the threshold of power began to conduct a special operation with the use of aviation and military equipment, announced mobilization and the establishment a single popular resistance, RIA Novosti said Commissioner socio-patriotic movement "Eastern Front" Nikolai Solntcev.

"Donetsk today mobilizes, declared full mobilization. Our security forces are ready for full-scale war, "- he said.

Solntcev said that "people today are going to the square."

"We will mobilize people today in a single popular resistance of every citizen in the city, so that every citizen of Donbass stood as one for their freedom," - he said.

Posted by: Grim Deadman | May 3, 2014 6:24:54 AM | 197

Spetsnaz Edy
32 mins
2 May 2014 Danish mercenary John G.O. Christensen has been arrested near Slavyansk http://twitter.com/Volodchick/status/462474901933142016/photo/1

Posted by: brian | May 3, 2014 6:30:53 AM | 198

http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/5/3/685040.html Прокуратура сообщила о 46 погибших в Одессе

(Using Google translator)

"The prosecutor's office reported 46 dead in Odessa

Victims of riots and fires in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa became 46 people, the press service of the Prosecutor in Odessa region.

"The number of casualties currently stands at 46 people, 40 of them - died in the House of Trade Unions, six - in the heart of the city," - said the press service of the Prosecutor, adding that during the night in the hospital died two more people were wounded during riots in the heart of the city, reports RIA "Novosti" .

There's also noted that law enforcement now conducting operational investigative actions in a number of criminal proceedings, including the fact of negligence of police officers. In criminal proceedings detained 144 people, reports "Interfax" .

Earlier, Ukrainian Interior Ministry reported that as a result of riots and fire killed 42 people , injured another 125.

On Friday in Odessa during the confrontation with football fans and the radicals of the "right sector" federalization supporters were forced to take refuge in the House of Trade Unions. After that militants from the "right sector" set fire to the building.

At the same time, it is reported that the activists of the "right sector" and "Samoborony" severely beaten rescued from the burning building. Police in action militants almost did not intervene, and the doctors arrived only allowed to take seriously injured and those who were unconscious.

Russia blamed for the tragedy in Odessa to Kiev."

Posted by: scalawag | May 3, 2014 6:34:21 AM | 199

http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/5/3/685042.html Уволенный глава одесской милиции требовал выдворить из города боевиков «Правого сектора»

(Google translation)

"Sacked head of the Odessa Police demanded to expel militants from the "right sector"

Kiev authorities are trying to shift responsibility for the events in Odessa on Saturday dismissed the chief of regional police Lutsyuk Peter, who demanded to expel militants from the "right sector" and the so-called "self-Maidan," said a source in the Odessa law enforcement.

"Lutsyuk was retired to the traces of the carnage, organized by the authorities of Kiev. To do this, they are specifically sent to Odessa several hundred militants "right sector" and "self-defense" - said the source, transmits ITAR-TASS .

"Until then, the new government rallies in the city came out no more than two hundred people. Lutsyuk last week spoke at the session of the regional council with the requirement to remove from militants who organized illegal checkpoints around the city and destabilizing. Police also found in the warehouse, which militants brought weapons and ammunition, "- he said.

"However, the new governor appointed Kiev region Vladimir Nemirovsky said the presence of militants in Odessa is necessary to control the police. After that arrived in Odessa Ukraine Security Council Secretary Andrei Paruby, who met with the rebels and gave them body armor and other equipment, "- he said, expressing confidence that the public on the facts of the riots criminal cases will be used to crack down on political opponents of the new government in Kiev.

Earlier it was reported that the head of the chief of the Interior Ministry in Odessa region Pyotr Lutsyuk dismissed from his position and against him began an internal investigation.

On Friday in Odessa during the confrontation with football fans and the radicals of the "right sector" federalization supporters were forced to take refuge in the House of Trade Unions. After that militants from the "right sector" set fire to the building.

In this case, it was reported that the activists of the "right sector" and "Samoborony" severely beaten rescued from the burning building. Police in action militants almost did not intervene, and the doctors arrived only allowed to take seriously injured and those who were unconscious.

The riots and fire killed 42 people , injured another 125. Third, fourth and May 5 announced in days of mourning .

Russia blamed for the tragedy in Odessa to Kiev."

Posted by: scalawag | May 3, 2014 6:44:06 AM | 200

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