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March 30, 2014

Ukraine - New Propaganda Meme: Fascists Are Russian Tools

The Right Sektor, the Ukrainian fascist paramilitary group, was the main organization which brutally fought against the riot police on Maidan square. On February 20, after an agreement was signed between president Janukovich and three opposition leaders, the police withdrew. But the Right Sektor did not want to stick to the agreement:

A deal aimed at ending a lethal spiral of violence in Ukraine began to show serious strains late Friday just hours after it had been signed, with angry protesters shouting down opposition members of Parliament who negotiated the accord and a militant leader threatening armed attacks if President Viktor F. Yanukovych did not step down by morning.
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Dmytro Yarosh, the leader of Right Sector, a coalition of hard-line nationalist groups, reacted defiantly to news of the settlement, drawing more cheers from the crowd.

“The agreements that were reached do not correspond to our aspirations,” he said. “Right Sector will not lay down arms. Right Sector will not lift the blockade of a single administrative building until our main demand is met — the resignation of Yanukovych.”

The brutes immediately marched to the parliament, broke in and physically pressed the parliamentarians, those who had not fled, to replace the president.

Yanukovich, members of his party of regions and parliamentarians of the communist party had to flee. The headquarter of the communist party was stormed by the Right Sektor and turned into their headquarter. As the Estonian foreign minister reported to the EU high representative Ashton parliamentarians were beaten right in front of the building. A rump parliament voted to impeach Yanukovich but did not have the required 3/4th of all votes. An illegal government was installed. The U.S. and the EU immediately recognized it even though it had come to pass disregarding the constitution and under physical pressure from the fascist.

Anyone who pointed out that this fascist led coup was illegal and a dangerous precedence was denigrated as a Russian propagandist.

A month later special police force killed one of the Right Sektor leaders, the wanted criminal Oleksandr Muzychko. Right Sektor fighters responded by laying siege on the parliament demanding that the interior minister step down. Now the EU is suddenly concerned and Ashton released a statement:

I strongly condemn the pressure by activists of the Right Sector who have surrounded the building of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Such an intimidation of the parliament is against the democratic principles and rule of law.

Isn't Ashton a fine hypocrite? A month ago these people were driving the putsch and the U.S. and the EU lauded the violence they used as "peaceful" while condemning the rather passive police force. Now such violence is suddenly against the "rule of law". What a joke.

But even worse. Now the Right Sektor fascists are revealed to be Russian agents:

At a parliament session on Friday, Mr Turchynov, called the Right Sector rally outside parliament "an attempt to destabilise the situation in Ukraine, in the very heart of Ukraine - Kiev. That is precisely the task that the Russian Federation's political leadership is giving to its special services".

The propagandists in Washington agree. The head of the Brookings institute, Strobe Talbot, joined the conspiracy theorists:

.@billmon1 - some of those thugs are funded by Russia for sure, but as you say, they wouldn't want their cover blown.

Now, after over 70 years of cooperation between the U.S. government and eastern European fascists to further U.S. imperial goals, Washington DC insiders believe that those are Russian tools? These folks certainly smoke some rather strong stuff.

Meanwhile the Russian foreign minister Lavrov is meeting U.S. secretary of state Kerry today. In a recent TV interview Lavrov again explained that decentralization and federalization of Ukraine is the only possible solution for the country. Two weeks ago Kerry had already agreed to the need of decentralization and constitutional changes but the implementation was delayed over U.S. grandstanding about the reunion of Crimea and Russia. But that has now been somewhat accepted as inevitable. U.S. propaganda about alleged Russian troop concentrations on the Ukrainian border turned out to be nonsense. There are no more troops there than normally stationed on the Crimea and along the long Russian Ukrainian border.

The Russian solution for the Ukraine is now back on the table and one can hope that the U.S. will now help to implemented it. This might be a bit more difficult now as the leading contender for presidential elections, chocolate oligarch Petro Olekseyevich Poroshenko, rejects federalization:

Mr. Poroshenko, for all his moderate leanings, flatly rejected Russia’s proposal for the federalization of Ukraine as allowing “somebody in the Russian government trying to tell us what type of governmental system we should have.”

If the U.S. wants to it can surely pressure Poroshenko to get its will implemented. Ignoring the Russian opinion on Ukraine will not solve any problem but would rather lead to new upheavals.

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Yep, it is a joke. I posted the video on the other threat, it fits here

Kyiv parliamentarian need Putin as bogeyman to keep Pravy Sector from storming their building

English reporting.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 4:34:19 AM | 1

If the Right Sector did not exist, Russia would have to invent it in order to annex the Ukraine and control strategic property up to the Carpathian Mountain Range.

Posted by: Ted | Mar 30, 2014 5:45:12 AM | 2

twits and tweets
billmon @billmon1 8h
@iwelsh The great thing about Twitter is that it encourages economy of form in ridiculing establishment jackasses like @strobetalbott.

Strobe Talbott @strobetalbott 16h
Those "extremists" in Ukraine Putin denounces? Kremlin funds them to destabilize the country & provide a pretense for Russian "protection."

billmon
@billmon1
@strobetalbott Suggestion: Fly to Kyiv & tell Right Sector guys (the ones with the clubs & axes) they're ALL Putin's stooges. To their faces

billmon @billmon1 12h
@strobetalbott But make sure there's a video camera present -- I want to watch what happens next.

billmon @billmon1 7h
Face it neoliberalcons (cc: @20committee) if Right Sector's been converted into a Russian front org, Putin has you totally outclassed (4)

billmon @billmon1 7h
AND somehow stage managed Ukranian cops killing Right Sector leader in W. Ukraine - right wing nationalist stronghold. (3)

billmon @billmon1 7h
...Which means in just 4 weeks, FSB completely infiltrated the movement, seized control, and turned it against the new govt in Kyiv (2)

billmon @billmon1 7h
Funny thing about neoliberalcon theory that Right Sector is on Russian payroll: Exact same guys who a month ago overthrew Putin’s pet. (1)

Posted by: brian | Mar 30, 2014 6:16:12 AM | 3

kerrys agreeing means nothing...the same US promised not to advance NATO eastward and they did then....now why trust the US? they are as corrupt and as seedy as their forebears

Posted by: brian | Mar 30, 2014 6:18:53 AM | 4

I dont get it why Russia having these talks with kerry, kerry jsut trying to cut russia away even more from ukraine.
Rather kerry should udnerstand that they are the loser in this game.

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 30, 2014 6:48:51 AM | 5

7 Decades of Nazi Collaboration - America's dirty little secret - The Nation

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 7:37:33 AM | 6

Wasn't Talbot Clinton's roommate at Oxford? And aren't they still old friends?

If so, welcome to a Hillary Clinton presidency position. Jesus.

Posted by: MRW | Mar 30, 2014 8:27:31 AM | 7

'Anti-fascists build resistance

In the cities of southern and eastern Ukraine, the leftist Union Borotba (Struggle) is one of the groups organizing anti-fascist resistance.

Borotba’s central office in Kiev was ransacked after the coup and its activists forced underground. Outside Kiev, Borotba and other anti-fascists work in a hazy state of semi-legality, operating more or less openly depending on the level of organized resistance in each city.

This creates special challenges for organizers. For example, print shop owners refuse to print flyers or newspapers due to threats from the fascists. However, Borotba has managed to get help from sympathetic workers to publish its materials.

A 10,000-copy run of “Front,” the first issue of a newspaper published by Borotba and the Antifascist Resistance Center, sold out in just three days.

Borotba activists have set up tents and information tables to spread their message and recruit people to local anti-fascist defense committees composed of activists, workers, youths and former Red Army soldiers.

In Kharkov, where the Right Sector murdered two anti-fascists on March 14, Borotba plays a leading role in organizing mass resistance.

On March 22, some 2,000 people defied a ban and rallied at Freedom Square for a people’s speakout initiated by Borotba. A major goal of the event was to recruit supporters for the local defense organization, People’s Unity.

The following day, hundreds marched down Rymarska Street to remember the two slain activists. They chanted: “Fascists kill! Power covers up!”

Police then charged Borotba leader Denis Levin, a convener of the rally, with violating the ban and ordered him to appear in court on March 26. After a crowd of supporters picketed the court during his hearing, the judge dismissed the charge as “baseless.”

In Odessa, Borotba activists took up the case of Anton Davidchenko, a local resistance leader who was seized by the “Alpha” special police unit on March 17 and kidnapped to Kiev, where he is being held incommunicado.

Some 1,000 people defied fascist threats and rallied at Odessa’s Kulikovo Field on March 23 to demand a referendum on autonomy. Led by Regional Council Deputy and Borotba activist Alex Albu, they marched to the prosecutor’s office to demand Davidchenko’s release and an end to the regime’s political repression.'
http://www.workers.org/articles/2014/03/28/anti-fascists-organize-resistance-crisis-grips-ukraine-coup-regime/

Posted by: brian | Mar 30, 2014 9:28:32 AM | 8

Neutralization and federalization is the Russian solution? Neutralization is more or less the same as the US giving up on its attack on Russia. But ask yourself why the US government has relentlessly pursued its aggressions against the rest of the world despite changes in administration, even after its great enemy, Soviet Communism, was overthrown?

Let me suggest it's because the US must rely on military force to maintain its economic empire. The so-called Soviet Empire wasn't, which is why a Soviet government could surrender. But the US needs to keep the dollar as the world's reserve currency for one thing, plus all the other benefits, general to it's ruoing class (or specific to a faction thereof,) and no ruling class or empire surrenders, ever. Putin seems to believe that capitalism is compatible with a pluralist world. This is the centenary of the Great War. That was a long time ago, but the lessons of where capitalism and imperialism take us should never have been forgotten. Putin is deeply naive, and his thinking appears to be dominated by delusions about the viability of a capitalist world.

As for federalization, the Crimean annexation is a huge obstacle. The very same reasons that Putin knew he couldn't rely on Crimea's already existing autonomy to protect the Russian state's vital national interests in Sevastopol and Yalta, are exactly the same reasons to know that autonomy will not protect the ethnic Russians and Russophones from the fascists. Probably Putin has consciously decided to sacrifice them to the neofascists.

But maybe Putin has convinced himself that the imperialists will make an accommodation from embarrassment at dealing with the unstable neofascists? I have no idea why he thinks they are either so all powerful or so principled. It's not clear they can stop the neofascists, especially since they can't even stop themselves from launching an austerity attack on the whole Ukrainian population. It's even less clear why Putin would think that the imperialists have any grave moral objection to the neofascists.

Posted by: stevenjohnson | Mar 30, 2014 9:55:54 AM | 9

#9
I don't think Russia cares one way other the other what happens in the Ukraine but they do want to look like their the sane ones. That's pretty easy when Amerikas belt-way neo-cons are bat-shit-crazy along with grandpa walnuts. More power to Russia for being one the first countries to stand up to Amerika and not roll over like are so-called friends do while we spy on their leaders;)

Posted by: jo6pac | Mar 30, 2014 10:04:58 AM | 10

I can't believe (yes I can) people here are quoting tweets from the infamous billmon who never really quite left; his ghost still haunts the hilarious halls of alternative media.

I'm guessing T. Rowe Price having gone long Gazprom has billmon on the job countering the MSM sentiment in the alternative media space.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB116943042804183326

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/03/us-russia-funds-analysis-idUSBREA2227T20140303

Considering those two links, what the hell did you expect billmon to say? I'd say billmon has "skin in the game." Lang loves that term. To me it means lack of objectivity and conflict of interest under the guise of authoritative expertise. But who's been right about what's transpired so far? Lang and his pedantic, myopic analysts, or me? I've been the one that's called it correctly from the start. Lang and his crew can't see past the books, and "skin in the game" conflicts of interest, that have walled them in.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Mar 30, 2014 10:32:28 AM | 11

from b) “Lavrov again explained that decentralization and federalization of Ukraine is the only possible solution”

“If the U.S. wants to it can surely pressure Poroshenko to get its will implemented. Ignoring the Russian opinion on Ukraine will not solve any problem but would rather lead to new upheavals.”

Federalization and decentralization are different and potentially contradictory goals. Federalization refers to a centralized primacy function of some species; while decentralization refers to some variation on the theme of significant local or provincial primacy.

For such a system to work well war/sabotage has to be avoided, as this leads inevitably to some variation of centralized martial law, no matter what is nominally in place; there has to mutual good will and understanding by the federal and provincial players.

In effect a country juggles ethnic and regional loyalties with national loyalties.

Since the Ukraine begins as a destabilized for decade basket case, with much contentious history, and current events featuring more of the same, the basis for short term dysfunction in any formula/schemata is deeply rooted. The hope is that in Ukraine a significant core of sanity and common sense that has been watching more or less off stage recently may reemerge.

How does the Empire’s obsessive overarching ‘full spectrum dominance’ intention of encircling and weakening Russia relate to Ukraine situation?

Chaos creation being a basic, much resorted to and easily achieved means of operation by Empire, the disorder in Ukraine was ‘nurtured’.

But some of the tables have been turning: events in Crimea suddenly allowed Russian checkmate. Empire screamed indignation but meanwhile, Nuland f..k EU leak and German missing gold and European unemployment/financial fiascos etc etc create condition for continued weakening of Empire’s dominance of vassal Europe. Assad coping; BRIC brewing. US as deepening economic and social basket case. Plans unraveling?

Empire may opt for a 'friendly' breather, bearing in mind that its capacity for subsequent betrayal is to the nth degree.


Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Mar 30, 2014 10:36:42 AM | 12

McFaul - ex-US-ambassador to Russia

McFaul added “there’s no doubt in my mind that if Russia goes into eastern Ukraine some Ukrainians will fight in a guerrilla struggle.” But he said he did not foresee a Russian invasion of eastern Ukraine “any time soon.”

That's what the fascists are for.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 10:52:23 AM | 13

Looks like CNN and TIME magazine will have to send their stories about their favorite "Robin Hoods" down the memory hole.

The western-backed oligarchs must have some plan that I can't grasp, because this to me seems like they are writing their own death sentence.

The army is dissolved. The national police chased out of the country along with the intelligence service. The regular police cannot be pleased and are certainly under-paid and likely open to suggestion. There are some loyal police, obviously - the ones who killed Muzychko. How many can there be? Are they Blackwater-types who will run when the situation gets sticky, or are they Ukrainians loyal to the new regime?

From my reading the only substantial force in the country that can wield violent power (except for the organizations that are surely being set up in the east) is the Right Sektor. And this is a force that sees itself as strong enough to launch a guerrilla war against Russia, so it certainly feels sure it can wage one against the tottering new regime of oligarchs.

The question is - what is the breaking point between this new regime, and Right Sektor? How will they deal with them - co-opt them? Chase them from the square with the police? Try and kill all of them? The new government will at some point being to betray itself as the neoliberal, thieving sham it is, so as long as Right Sektor is encamped in the center of Kiev there is always the chance for things to explode back into violence.

Should Right Sektor choose to recreate the days of EuroMaidan against this new government, there would be little the anyone could do to stop them ... except call out the tanks. And oh, what delicious irony that would be...

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 11:23:12 AM | 14

oh, the Telegraph

The European Union is already deeply worried that the situation is playing into the Kremlin's hands. The Telegraph has learnt that two recent EU communiqués on Ukraine were supposed to include a clause demanding "the dissolution of paramilitary structures". Officials then deleted the clause, because of fears it would provide a "propaganda coup" to President Vladimir Putin.

So not supporting fascists would support Russian propaganda, but supporting fascists does not?

Someone got a problem with fundamental logic.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 11:43:30 AM | 15

McFaul added “there’s no doubt in my mind that if Russia goes into eastern Ukraine some Ukrainians will fight in a guerrilla struggle.”

There is no doubt that the guerillas would not last long in areas that are heavily Russian - and those are the only areas Russia would operate in.

But things wouldn't be so simple as "a Russian invasion". The people there can care for themselves - the coup government will either come to terms with their desire for autonomy or they will revolt. Two can play at the guerrilla war game, if that's what the schemers from Kiev want. It's obviously what Washington wants. The dangerous part would be if that is how they intend to deal with Right Sektor.

Meanwhile, Washington and Brussels will stand by and clap for "democracy" as we watch the illegal coup government rewrite the country's constitution [in Russian] with no input from the people of the country before elections are held in a few weeks. Yatsenyuk is demanding the coup parliament produce the full text of the document by April 15th! That's utterly disgraceful and condemns the Ukraine to more violence in the future.

There is one simple fact - no one at all in the new government is thinking about the future of the Ukraine. The EU is dreaming about cheap labor, the US is thinking about a new toy for NATO right under Russia's nose, the IMF seeks another country to break, the bankers and oligarchs and celebrity politicians are thinking about their chalets and yachts, the Svoboda and Right Sektor goons are thinking about war with Russia and their historical fantasies.

But no one is thinking about how the Ukrainian people will survive the next winter or wether there will there be enough jobs and pensions for people to survive.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 11:45:20 AM | 16

I'm not sure there's much more to see in Ukraine, at least for a while. Russia already has the one part it really wanted. There is no NATO membership for Ukraine on the horizon. NATO will not admit a country that could conceivably be attacked by Russia. There is no EU membership offer on the way either, for obvious reasons.

Russia has in fact been relieved of the financial burden of having to subsidize Ukrainian energy needs. If the west wants that burden, they are welcome to it.

Decentralization/federalization will happen defacto with or without a new constitution. Without much of a national army, police force or intelligence service, Kiev will have little control over the regions. Prawy sektor and the ultra Nazis will be a problem for the pretender government much more so than the eastern provinces. They have no support in the east and the eastern regions, with Russia's help, can set up their own networks for self defense and to keep in check the oligarch governors that have been placed over them.

So we can check back in 3-6 months.

Posted by: Lysander | Mar 30, 2014 11:53:25 AM | 17

Posted by: Lysander | Mar 30, 2014 11:53:25 AM | 17

I am staring in disbelief at this reenacted World War II / Cold War theme park and the speed "Western values" can switch from supporting gay rights to tolerating fascists because fighting them might "support Russian propaganda".

It is breath taking.

Nothing much will change in Ukraine.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 12:09:53 PM | 18

Ted;Historically,I've never heard the Carpathian Mt.s as a military bulwark.Pretty much irrelevant in this modern age of warfare.First,Ukraine then the world huh?sheesh.

Posted by: dahoit | Mar 30, 2014 12:13:24 PM | 19

Clearly, The Outlaw US Empire and its satraps 100% embraced the Big Lie about events in Ukraine and refuse to let go of their death hug. So, further lies must be concocted to support the original Big Lie. But note how the supporting lies are already getting jumbled. It's sort of humorous to watch the troll pukes attempt to keep in step. I haven't read the Nation piece yet, but I do note the cowardly behavior of those with a publishing platform who don't dare to call out the Big Lie steering this whole affair. Where is the headline: Sick And Tired of Obama's Many Big Lies or Obama 100% Responsible For Ukraine Crisis.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 30, 2014 12:19:36 PM | 20

Posted by: Lysander | Mar 30, 2014 11:53:25 AM | 17

"Russia has in fact been relieved of the financial burden of having to subsidize Ukrainian energy needs. If the west wants that burden, they are welcome to it."

you think so? I think not. The first act of the new 'government' was to increase the price of energy by 50%, so it will be the Ukrainian people paying the price. As to W. Europe's 'burden'; what burden? We're already paying through the nose for energy, so again any burden will be borne by working people. And remember, Ukraine produces no energy of its own, so once its totally in the grip of Western imperialism, it gives the Empire a choke hold on Russia's principal source of income; oil and gas. We forget that aside from its nukes, Russia is little different economically from any other third world country that's dependent on primary products rather than 'adding value' at source. That after all, was a major reason for overthrowing the Soviet system.

and initially, it looked like following 91, that the pirates had effectively deindustrialised Russia. And whatever you think about Putin, there's no doubt the guy's a nationalist and determined to resurrect the country from the devastation caused by the overthrow of the SU.

Aside from any grandiose visions the imperialists have of removing Russia once and for all from its equation, as ever, it's all about energy needed for the Empire to fight its wars.

Posted by: William Bowles | Mar 30, 2014 12:24:50 PM | 21

@11 Cold Handjob

A lot of us were here ten ears ago when Bilmon had his Whiskey Bar, which b took over when Bilmon called it a day (he was burned out). He was the best writer on the net; only Digby comes close. He fingered the incipient fascism in American government early (and often), and to say you are full of shit is a disgrace to shit.

Posted by: Knut | Mar 30, 2014 12:40:28 PM | 22

Now, after over 70 years of cooperation between the U.S. government and eastern European fascists to further U.S. imperial goals, Washington DC insiders believe that those are Russian tools?

Of course, while some may consider this nonsense spectacular it's merely par for the war criminal course. It's moments like these when the war criminal wheat is separated from the chaff in that the lives of most war criminal think-tankers/propagandists is probably pretty cushy as the meta-narratives concerning most areas of interest were created long ago and a propagandist need only mouth the platitudes one has heard a dozen times before to keep getting paid and invited to war criminal functions.

However, it's when TPTB have decided to roll out a new narrative that so completely and absolutely contradicts reality - including science, common sense, documented history, etc - that people can really make their marks and move up the war criminal ranks.

US supporting fascists? WTF are you talking about?!!! Everyone knows it's been Putin all along!

I'm sure Tom Friedman and other propa-scribes will chime to corroborate in the coming weeks each vying to outdo each other in how ridiculous they can be.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Mar 30, 2014 12:42:20 PM | 23

Russia holds enough aces to stare down USA and get admiration of most people but not their Governments who are afraid of the US. Interestingly the people (outside the US) are not afraid of Russia , just America. And resent the bullying.
Just to be clear I write of RePOCAR (REgional Power Once Known As Russia) or RuNKARP (RUssia Now Known As Regional Power). Which do you prefer. Or any other suggestions
The time is NOW NOW NOW to face down the US Hold the line now. Move foreward. They will back off as Russia did at Cuba. No more facesaving given. Russia got none at Cuba. It works. Peace will break out again thanks again to RePOCAR and its adult behaviour. US citizens will be impressed.
Plan longterm but act short term. Gang or Country bullies will sacrifice pawns but not their own skin. It is in US own intrests long term

Posted by: boindub | Mar 30, 2014 12:45:55 PM | 24

@somebody (#18);

Some people suggest that liberalism and fascism are two faces of the very same coin. What separates liberalism's smiling face from the frowning face of the fascism is a only a high rate of profit.

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Mar 30, 2014 12:49:43 PM | 25

Cold N. Holefield | Mar 30, 2014 10:32:28 AM | 11

Sour grapes or Amateur jealousy?
Billmon can be more enlightening and amusing in a line and a half than your clever self in a page and a half.
Style ain't substance.
Have you ever "had one eye on the mirror as you watched yourself go by?"

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30, 2014 12:56:38 PM | 26

@ 20, William Bowles,

No I never expected the west to actually take up the burden and pay for the Ukraine's gas, only that Russia no longer will. This is financially easier for Russia. It's going to be expensive for ordinary Ukrainians, but that will not be Russia's problem.

I'm not sure what you mean by "choke hold on Russia's gas." Europe could (if they don't mind freezing) stop buying Russian gas right now. No need to control Ukraine for that.

Anyway, it will take a little time but eventually even western Ukrainians, are going to figure out how good they had it before. Russia was offering cash and cheap energy. The west is offering austerity.

@ 18, somebody,

That's just par for the course for them. From Mujahideen to Al Ciada and back to freedom fighters again. They do it so often, so brazenly that I hardly even notice anymore. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the US will eventually be backing the Russian Communist party as the only viable opposition to Putin and United Russia.

Posted by: Lysander | Mar 30, 2014 1:03:39 PM | 27

Regarding post #20 by William Bowles:

"We forget that aside from its nukes, Russia is little different economically from any other third world country that's dependent on primary products rather than 'adding value' at source. That after all, was a major reason for overthrowing the Soviet system."

Excellent point! In fact the main challenge which has faced and will be facing any attempt to present an alternative to capitalism is the to increase the productivity of the labour above the level of the capitalist center.

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Mar 30, 2014 1:09:27 PM | 28

Guest77 #16
You forgot: all of the afore-mentioned want a new drugs/money laudering hub

Posted by: Mina | Mar 30, 2014 1:13:57 PM | 29

Posted by: Lysander | Mar 30, 2014 1:03:39 PM | 26

I guess, you have to switch the sound of and just watch what they are doing.

Anyway, Europe seems to have decided to become compatible with the Russian economic zone - ie Germany, France, Poland - in German.

So Victoria Nuland's visit to Bulgaria on Monday will be - isolated.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 1:16:16 PM | 30

Lysander #26
The French did it! Sort of.. When Hachette-Lagardere bought communist newspaper "L'Humanité" to save it from bankruptcy!

Posted by: Mina | Mar 30, 2014 1:26:35 PM | 31

@Mina: Of course. A lawless zone in the center of Europe opens up all kinds of possibilities.

The addition of Ukraine to "New" Europe would be a big political advantage for the United States. If the US could properly control the country then it, together with "politics of history"-model Poland making a population of 85 million, would give the US a formidable voice in EU policy.

Germany, France, and Italy should be wary about allowing such states, beholden as they are to the US, into the EU.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 1:28:02 PM | 32

I wouldn't be surprised that Russian speaking people living in Trans-Dniester region in Moldova will be attacked by thugs from Ukraine, forcing Russia to react and provoking the war Ziocons want so much.

Posted by: Gregg | Mar 30, 2014 1:46:43 PM | 33

I think by now it is quite obvious that whatever the western criminals accuse others of, invariably it is what they are doing themselves. Their projection of their crimes on to others is a very useful tool for those exposing western criminality, it tells them exactly where they should be looking.

I suppose it is only a matter of time before west accuses Russia of running the jihadi terrorists in Syria. I'm rather surprised they have not tried to do this yet.

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 1:46:47 PM | 34

29 somebody

What is the article about?

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 30, 2014 1:57:07 PM | 35

Posted by: William Bowles | Mar 30, 2014 12:24:50 PM | 20

"We forget that aside from its nukes, Russia is little different economically from any other third world country that's dependent on primary products rather than 'adding value' at source. That after all, was a major reason for overthrowing the Soviet system."

You are right that Russian economy is driven by resources. But that cannot be compared to any other Third World country.

The Soviet economic system collapsed among other things because management posts were exclusively given to party people and other ideologically driven inefficiencies. And of course because the empire had overstretched.

Despite all that, even the Soviet Union was capable to do in engineering what they wanted to do (like go to space), their companies just were not run on economic principle. The Russian school system has always been excellent.

Putin seems to have switched the system back from vulture capitalism/oligarchy to nomenclatura. So the resources fuel political power.

That is why the US hates him.


Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 1:59:05 PM | 36

@33 Well, they already accuse Assad of doing so, so it follows - 1 2 3 4

Next equally-believable MSM meme: the Sandy Hook children put their lunch money together to buy Adam Lanza his ammunition.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 2:00:03 PM | 37

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 30, 2014 1:57:07 PM | 34

Steinmeier says that the Weimar triangle - Germany, France, Poland - will propose solutions/EU association agreements (considered as alternative to full entry) for Eastern European countries that are tailored to their specific needs and offer/consider compatibility to other economic zones.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 2:06:34 PM | 38

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 1:46:47 PM | 33

Algeria is accused of that and Russia in Chechnya.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 2:07:56 PM | 39

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 1:59:05 PM | 35

I agree absolutely with what you've written. I was trying to make the point that the Empire wanted (and still wants) to reduce it to a supplier of raw materials and as a consumer of Western-owned production and of course, the supplier of cheap labour.

Yes, had its (professed) socialist system been given a chance, there's no telling what it could have achieved and, as you said, it was still the first country to leave this planet.

An aside to this is the irony of the SU's space programme, developed precisely because of the US development of nuclear weapons and the fact that during WWII, the SU didn't develop long range bombers, it didn't need them (although its experiments in rocketry go back to the early days of the revolution and Tsiolkovsky, the father of spaceflight, in the 19th century). They still use his equations for plotting escape velocity.

Posted by: William Bowles | Mar 30, 2014 2:12:22 PM | 40

plus 38) of course all sides can play the genocide murder game

This here is a sighting of Chetniks in Crimea - there are several sites on the web reporting this, I chose this one for dramatic effect.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 2:17:32 PM | 41

"Lavrov again explained that decentralization and federalization of Ukraine is the only possible solution for the country. Two weeks ago Kerry had already agreed to the need of decentralization and constitutional changes....But that has now been somewhat accepted as inevitable...This might be a bit more difficult now as the leading contender for presidential elections, chocolate oligarch Petro Olekseyevich Poroshenko, rejects federalization...If the U.S. wants to it can surely pressure Poroshenko to get its will implemented."

If Poroshenko is the west's boy in the Ukraine, and it looks like he is since he's got all of the "right" qualifications (look up a bio of him), then he will be for what the west wants and against what the west doesn't want. This decision making will have already taken place prior to Poroshenko's selection as the west's "representative". If the west wants to implement the Russia ideas in the Ukraine, Poroshenko will then go along. If he refuses, this is probably an indication that the west isn't really planning on following through as was just paying lip service to the ideas, while they went ahead with something else of their own.

And as Brian wrote above, the west cant be trusted to follow through and observe any agreement they make, they always break them.

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 2:19:05 PM | 42

So... Putin had his puppets... Overthrow his puppet Yanukovych.

Yep. Makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Massinissa | Mar 30, 2014 2:19:15 PM | 43

@24

Which kind of liberalism are we talking about? Classical/Neoliberism, or like FDR 'liberalism' which isnt actually any kind of liberalism?

Because if youre talking Classical/Neoliberism I agree. That stuff is basically hyper-capitalism. Fascism is hyper-capitalism with the gloves taken off.

Not that im a fan of FDR 'liberalism' or anything.

Posted by: Massinissa | Mar 30, 2014 2:26:29 PM | 44

Brian Becker at the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition has a nice rundown on the history of the situation in the Ukraine -link-

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 2:28:07 PM | 45

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 2:19:05 PM | 41

It is obvious that US and Russia cannot decide what Ukraine will do, but that it will be decided by actors inside the country. Poroshenko is not the only oligarch and if Eastern Ukrainian oligarchs are in favor of federalization, there will be federalization.

As federalization presumably is the only way to have the EU and the Eurasian economic zone in Ukraine, there will be federalization.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 2:32:16 PM | 46

Lysander @17

There is no EU membership offer on the way either, for obvious reasons.
I thought the membership process has already started with the signing of an EU association agreement on March 21

Posted by: ess emm | Mar 30, 2014 2:33:18 PM | 47

Posted by: ess emm | Mar 30, 2014 2:33:18 PM | 46

No, it was called "association agreement". Yats now has signed only the political part of this "association agreement" which basically is a letter of intent.

I am not sure the IMF loan is through yet.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 2:49:44 PM | 48

While the article at the top of the thread discussed western dishonesty in claiming the Ukrainian nazis are a Russian operation, it unfortunately didn't have any material disproving this propaganda. Everybody knows this latest western propaganda is pure bunkum and laughable, as all their propaganda campaigns are, but who is behind the Bandera nazis in the Ukraine?

A very good place to start would be something ProPeace posted recently.

http://nie.com.pl/13-2014/tajemnica-stanu-tajemnica-majdanu Tajemnica stanu, tajemnica Majdanu

It's in Polish, but the Google translator makes it accessible. This describes how over 80 Ukrainian nazis were brought to a camp in Poland and trained to be para-militaries. It also claims the Polish government was behind the training scheme.

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 2:52:30 PM | 49

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 2:52:30 PM | 48

I recommend The Nation: Seven Decades of Nazi Collaboration: America’s Dirty Little Ukraine Secret

Posted by: somebody | Mar 30, 2014 3:01:14 PM | 50

Then there is also the Israeli training of Maidan para militaries:

http://www.jta.org/2014/02/28/news-opinion/world/in-kiev-an-israeli-militia-commander-fights-in-the-streets-and-saves-lives In Kiev, an Israeli army vet led a street-fighting unit

The Israelis cant resist bragging about their exploits, but to do so here officially, and expose their role in the Kiev coup would be counterproductive to their interests. So they make a hero out of somebody they can claim is not acting officially for Israel. The Israeli veteran is part of an Israeli covert "Blackwater" type operation. They can claim the guy was acting on his own without their input, but these people are tightly run by Tel Aviv. This IDF is just the tip of the iceberg of Israeli involvement with the para militaries in the Ukraine.

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 3:15:46 PM | 51

This thread could use responses from informed commenters:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/reached-peak-putin.html

Or maybe it's not worth it?

Posted by: RudyM | Mar 30, 2014 3:30:11 PM | 52

A bit off topic, but it seems (according to CIHAN agency) that AKP has slightly lost vote, and CHP does not seem to have increased its vote by much (I am comparing the results to the parliamentary elections in 2011).
AKP *so far* seems to be almost 44% (down from ~50% in 2011),
CHP seems to be around 25.5%.

Over-all the picture in Turkey seems very gloomy to me. Almost all parties have shifted considerably to their own right compared to some 20 years ago. Apparently CHP has gone even into alliance with the Gulen movement.

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Mar 30, 2014 3:30:48 PM | 53

"but who is behind the Bandera nazis in the Ukraine?"

We can't discount that they are also connected to the Saudis and Turks via their connections to Chechen rebels. The appearance of Allu Akbar chanting Tartars in Crimea was a clear red flag that the fundamentalists have put down roots even there.

Anywhere you find a group of violent fanatics, you will be sure to find that the US government/non-government is funding them... From Ukraine to "East Turkmenistan" to Colombia.

One look at Radio Free Wherever's will show you the fault lines: http://www.rfa.org/english/

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 3:37:59 PM | 54

@52 Shifted to their own right?

Sounds like the United States and every other country in the world.

Posted by: Massinissa | Mar 30, 2014 3:48:14 PM | 55

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/725844 Lavrov: Russia has info about Ukraine’s Right Sector involved in Kiev sniper shooting

I think Lavrov is dropping one of his subtle hints here. Will a new leaks be surfacing soon? ;)

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 3:55:06 PM | 56

@54

Sadly, very true.

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Mar 30, 2014 3:58:46 PM | 57

Let’s be plain, regulated capitalism is just as dead as communism. The ruling ideology is hyper-capitalism; “get it while you can” and “Too big to fail”.

Western seed money instigated the Maidan revolt to open up Ukraine for exploitation and destabilize Russia. This omitted by Western media, just like they omit the Turkish taped revelation that Secretary of State John Kerry dropped off an updated plan to place a no fly zone over Syria and provide air support for jihadists.

Ukrainian pensions have been cut 50% with more to come. They’re joining the Irish, Spaniards, Portuguese, Latvians, Estonians, Italians and Greeks. The only escape from austerity is to breakup the Euro. Perhaps a new European War will divert attention from the economic disintegration and make money for the corporatists; but a NATO Russian conventional war will inevitably escalate to the release of nuclear weapons and Armageddon.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Mar 30, 2014 4:08:24 PM | 58

There were similar reassurances that the US wasn't really supporting al-Qaeda in Syria, but "moderates" whose links to al-Qaeda were not confirmed, despite the al-Qaeda banners that were openly displayed. Then the truth became too obvious to continue the denial, and we began to hear about "good" al-Qaeda and "bad" al-Qaeda. In six months, we'll begin to see reports on "good" fascists and "bad" fascists in Ukraine, but US support will continue regardless, as it has in Syria.


H/T: antiwar.com

Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 30, 2014 4:27:23 PM | 59

↷ VV communism alive and kicking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUVzvt_jtg

Posted by: ruralito | Mar 30, 2014 4:39:52 PM | 60

somebody @35

The misunderestimation (to use the Shrub's language) of Russian economic strength as resting solely on its natural resource exports is incredible to anyone who has spent even a little time in the country. Russia lost a lot of its scientific elite when the economy collapsed in the 90s, but the core stayed loyal. The elite education is first-rate, and the economy is now flexible enough to make the best use of the students who come out of it. The human capital base,like Germany's after the war, remained intact. They still have to import certain kinds of equipment--what country doesn't?--but there is nothing that can't be handled. They don't need vast influxes of western capital any more than China does. And because the Russians are under the gun, they are focused. The latest business about capital flight from Moscow is laughable.

There is a lot of think-tank wishful thinking in the West, which seems to have infected the press as well. Very bad surprises in store.

Posted by: Knut | Mar 30, 2014 4:48:05 PM | 61

#20 William Bowles
remember, Ukraine produces no energy of its own, so once its totally in the grip of Western imperialism, it gives the Empire a choke hold on Russia's principal source of income; oil and gas.

This mention comes up every now and then, and I wonder everytime: I'm no economist, and I might very well have a very naive point of view, but, gas, oil and every other natural ressource is becoming more scarce by the minute. If I were the "owner" of such ressources, I'd be quite relaxed about having to sell it to anyone. It'll surely not become worthless in the near, mid-, or distant future. Quite the opposite. So why should russia (or everyone else for that matter) be worried about not being able to sell their ressources right now.
I understand that a 100% complete trade blockade might cause a severe breakdown of the national economy, but diverting some of the trade to asia and keeping the rest in stock, would that be such a big problem?

Posted by: peter radiator | Mar 30, 2014 5:05:39 PM | 62

RE: 49 The Nation item

What a waste of bandwidth. The opening sentence echoes the Big Lie put out by Obama and his allies that Russia was the aggressor, not the US Empire whose armed coup is an ACT OF WAR. Clearly, the two democrat party linked institutions that concocted this piece of propaganda are still backing Obama the War Criminal and the Outlaw US Empire. I again repeat my earlier comment: "I [have now] read the Nation piece, [and again] note the cowardly behavior of those with a publishing platform who don't dare to call out the Big Lie steering this whole affair. Where is the headline: Sick And Tired of Obama's Many Big Lies or Obama 100% Responsible For Ukraine Crisis." And this was recommended?!?

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 30, 2014 5:08:09 PM | 63

@RudyM - agreed. The writer there needs an education. I've periodically read what comes off to me a boneheaded libertarian claptrap and "there's no 'there' there" as far as I am concerned.

"12. If Putin had set out to reinvigorate NATO, he would do exactly what he has done to date."

In line with the theme of this thread, perhaps Putin is a NATO stooge then?! ;)

The fact is that Russia is not "reinvigorating" NATO, but it is finally putting up some boundaries it must respect. If NATO wants to get in a tizzy about that, not much Putin can do - but he can and will tell them where they have gone too far.

And "too far" is precisely where they have gone in Ukraine.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 5:22:09 PM | 64

Where has it been published that the Outlaw US Empire's instigation of an armed coup that forcibly overthrew the legitimate, elected government of Ukraine amounts to an act of war waged upon the peoples of Ukraine? What publication was honest enough to print the truth and utter the same or similar words? Which UN representative denounced that act of war in the GA? We even have the damned smoking gun in Nuland's conversation--before it happened!! Chavez wouldn't have flinched from calling out the aggression.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 30, 2014 5:23:05 PM | 65

@62 Agreed, but sometimes you have to take what you can get from the US media.

The interviewee is pretty good, even if the spineless The Nation wimps don't have the guts to call things like they are.

But you're right - no truth without the requisite kowtowing to the narrative of those in power. I'm just saying sometimes you have to read past the stupid qualifications and get to the guts of the thing.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 5:32:17 PM | 66

is there yet any pro-russian/east ukraine president candidates registered?

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 30, 2014 5:46:08 PM | 67

"What publication was honest enough to print the truth and utter the same or similar words?"

Nothing outside of the blogs and Counterpunch. Maybe FAIR.

The Intercept managed to avoid the topic entirely - except to report on Abby Martin's dramatic bullshit. How do you think any conversations about the Ukraine with the guy who put millions into funding the whole thing went: "So Pierre, I thought we'd do a story about U... about You, Pierre. About You."

It's bad. The fact that the conversation immediately turned to Crimea is itself a hopeless sign - there was no need to make that the only focus without putting it in the context of the coup. But focus on Crimea they did. To the exclusion of events in the east of Ukraine and continuing constitutional shenanigans in Kiev and the impending economic disaster that is sure to unfold as "the most unpopular prime minister ever" settles into the drivers seat.

What are people left with "Russia invaded Ukraine" not "NATO overthrew the elected Ukrainian Government". And that's just as US wants it to be.

The US doesn't live up to the concept of free press at all, it is beyond hopeless. Operation Mockingbird did its work very well... And what alternatives are there? None, really, outside of the most outside blogs. Every segment is saturated with its own propaganda vehicles - from Vice Media to NPR to crap like Daily Beast and whatever else.

The Mighty Wurlitzer indeed.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 5:57:17 PM | 68

"U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson: we should be applauding Russian action in Ukraine and Crimea…"

This is a strange one. Grayson is a stone-cold zionist, but he hits the mark about Ukraine--basically that the government that Crimea had elected in a democratic election was overthrown with help from the US and EU, that Crimea chose to withdraw from that coup state in a bloodless secession/election, and that Russia should be congratulated for helping Crimea leave an illegal state.


http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/03/rep-alan-grayson-we-should-be-applauding-russian-action-in-ukraine-and-crimea/

Posted by: sleepy | Mar 30, 2014 6:03:55 PM | 69

@Anonymous#66:

According to the Guardian:

the presidential election effectively became a two-horse race at the weekend when the boxer-turned-politician Vitali Klitschko pulled out and threw his weight behind the billionaire confectionery oligarch Petro Poroshenko, known as the Chocolate King. He will now face the former prime minister, Yulia Tymoshenko, on 25 May.

No mention is made of the Party of Regions fielding a candidate, either in the Guardian article or in the Wikipedia article on the Party of Regions.

This suggests that the way things are going now, southern and eastern Ukrainians will not vote, and they will not recognize the newly elected president as legitimate.

Of course the Guardian doesn't bother to mention that the last time the Party of Regions did field a candidate (Yanukovych) he won. Tymoshenko's presidency wasn't any less disastrous or corrupt than Yanukovych's. Tymoshenko lost to Yanukovich in 2010. So it looks like Ukraine's "change" is going to be an oligarch, Poroshenko, who held a high position in the pre-Yanukovich government and wants the Ukraine to join NATO.

The Western press seems to be covering the upcoming May presidential elections as if eastern and southern Ukraine do not exist.

Posted by: Demian | Mar 30, 2014 6:14:42 PM | 70

Crimea Tartars being geared up to push for autonomy. I can't imagine who'd be making promises of support behind the scenes for this.

At home, the United States has to push the line that everyone can and must live together. Abroad, it pushes the line that no two groups should live in peace together.

Another of the many dangerous games they're playing.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 6:20:40 PM | 71

@70 I guess they miss the good old slave-trading days.

>Some researchers estimate that altogether more than 2 million people, predominantly Ukrainians but also Russians, Belarusians and Poles, were captured and enslaved during the time of the Crimean Khanate in what was called "the harvest of the steppe"<

http://www.academia.edu/2971600/Slave_Trade_in_the_Early_Modern_Crimea_From_the_Perspective_of_Christian_Muslim_and_Jewish_Sources

Posted by: dh | Mar 30, 2014 6:43:41 PM | 72

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 30, 2014 5:46:08 PM | 66

"is there yet any pro-russian/east ukraine president candidates registered?"

Mikhail Dobkin (Party of Regions), he is a former governor of the eastern Kharkov region. He's currently under house arrest for being against the Banderaite coup.

Posted by: Demian | Mar 30, 2014 6:14:42 PM | 69

"No mention is made of the Party of Regions fielding a candidate, either in the Guardian article or in the Wikipedia article on the Party of Regions. This suggests that the way things are going now, southern and eastern Ukrainians will not vote, and they will not recognize the newly elected president as legitimate."

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-presidential-candidates-bids-197/ From Chocolate King to Darth Vader: Ukrainian presidential hopefuls submit bids

You wont find any useful information in the Guardian. Or Wikipedia. Why bother? It's funny how people here complain about MSM bias and poor reporting, but they still read them and fail to look outside the MSM box. The info about Dobkin running has been in the news media for several days now. The real news media, that which is outside the western MSM box.

Apparently the Chocolate King's chocolate tastes of plastic. He probably makes "American chocolate", that brown substance that tastes of sweetened wax.

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 7:10:28 PM | 73

@51 RudyM: You asked for informed commentators, but even someone even as poorly informed as me might note that a clue to Washington blog's role is in the first word: For example, Wb offers a "full translation" of the Turkish Officials’ gabfest in which there is no mention of John Kerry or no fly zones, and a long list of false flags which somehow overlooks 9/11. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/turkish-political-military-leaders-admit-planning-false-flag-terror-justify-war-syria.html

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Mar 30, 2014 7:21:23 PM | 74

@66 Yanukovych is apparently going to run again.

Hes a scumbag, but if he was to win in an election, it would show what a goddamn farce the coup was.

Otherwise, no important names that anyone outside of Ukraine would have heard of.

Posted by: Massinissa | Mar 30, 2014 7:49:02 PM | 75

“somebody in the Russian government trying to tell us what type of governmental system we should have.”

All righty then. Russia will wait until you are ready. Stupid hohol chocolate king

Posted by: vee | Mar 30, 2014 7:51:26 PM | 76

@68

You sure Graysons zionist? I wouldnt be surprised but im not aware.

Maybe hes at least one of those zionists that want to stop Israels self destructive suicidal policies, like you know, training fascists in ukraine?

I have no comprehension on how Tel Aviv thinks that could possibly be a good idea. Nazis are nazis, even if they are the enemy of your enemy. Sometimes 'The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend' is terrible logic.

Posted by: Massinissa | Mar 30, 2014 7:52:20 PM | 77

@73

Well, Washingtons Blog has talked about 9/11 before, im pretty damn sure. Maybe it was just an accident, or he didnt want to scare off 'respectable' people this time.

Or im wrong and Washingtons Blog has never talked about 9/11, but im pretty sure it has.

Posted by: Massinissa | Mar 30, 2014 7:53:31 PM | 78

Never mind, apparenttly Yanukovych is not running.

probably a good thing.

Posted by: Massinissa | Mar 30, 2014 7:55:10 PM | 79

@scalawag #72:

So, the only serious candidate who would be concerned with the welfare of all Ukrainian citizens is under house arrest. Not exactly a good sign.

And of course, there's no talk of making Russian the second official language, even though at least half of Ukrainians speak Russian as their main language and even Ukrainian nationalist leaders speak in Russian to each other.

Posted by: Demian | Mar 30, 2014 8:08:34 PM | 80

Or im wrong and Washingtons Blog has never talked about 9/11, but im pretty sure it has.

Posted by: Massinissa | Mar 30, 2014 7:53:31 PM | 77

Maybe confusion between GeorgeWashington blog definitely has done 9/11 and Washington blog above that may or may not have done 9/11 but imo stinks?

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Mar 30, 2014 8:27:04 PM | 81

~~67

I'm somewhat dismayed at Greenwald and the Intercept. But I'll remain patient. It's just as well I'm unable to comment at Common Dreams because the shit it's been posting is atrocious. With so much of the "media" saying Sieg Heil to Obama and the Democrats, the mid-terms are destined to be mindless.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 30, 2014 8:44:12 PM | 82

Judging by today's meeting of Kerry and Lavrov, the USG is refusing to put any pressure on the regime in Kiev to be reasonable, namely to allow Russian as a second official language and adopt a federal system which gives regions a fair amount of autonomy. This means that the elections will probably be dirty, and after elections, there will be unrest in the east and west.

The US is showing no interest in restoring stability to the Ukraine, doggedly sticking to its pretense that the regime in Kiev is legitimate.

Posted by: Demian | Mar 30, 2014 8:52:41 PM | 83

OK final sally on Washington blog: It posts some imo good stuff, say Ellen Brown on Money creation as properly a public utility, not a private Aladdin's lamp.

But the underlying thing of it is suggested in this sidebar on the site. "We don't support or like Al Qaeda, the Taliban or any supporting groups. We think they are all disgusting."

Now that's ok by me. Hate who you like. Throw up all over yourself. But maybe add in parenthesis that "This message is designed to make our fellow citizens understand we are pretty normal. We hate who they are instructed to hate. All these hated people wear funny headgear or bushy beards, some threaten the heroin flow, and others cavort with the CIA, and reputedly fly airplanes into buildings, emitting passports."

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Mar 30, 2014 9:16:55 PM | 84

@83 Exactly, in the end, it's a jingoistic American site that spends more time hand wringing the US debt than anything else. There's enough Tea Party sites for that kind of stuff.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 30, 2014 9:34:43 PM | 85

Just wrote a post, but it disappeared. More censorship, or a computer glitch?

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 10:14:42 PM | 86

@scalawag: I hope you are not using Internet Explorer.

As far as I know, this blog does not have a censor AI.

Posted by: Demian | Mar 30, 2014 10:42:32 PM | 87

Washington's blog "pulls punches" in the most artful of manners. Regarding 9/11 he's hemmed and hawed for years and only recently has barely flirted with the fact that the official 9/11 fairy tale is complete utter horseshit nonsense and always leaves himself enough room to "escape".

As people have stated, he's seemingly too insightful on some topics to pull punches when it matters most - i.e., 9/11 - and that's why he's not to be read without an extreme eye to well-crafted propaganda.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Mar 30, 2014 10:46:22 PM | 88

Posted by: Demian | Mar 30, 2014 10:42:32 PM | 86

"@scalawag: I hope you are not using Internet Explorer."

What's that? ;)

Looks like the post is not going to show up, sometimes sites have glitches that delay posts. Demian, it was a reply to your post about the Americans playing diplo games. I just stated my opinion that I thought the west wanted to destabilize the Ukraine from the beginning, by their use of the nazis and passing laws designed to freak out Russian speakers in the country. And the diplomacy the west engaged in was not intended to be followed through on. Let's see if this version passes... ;)

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 11:03:33 PM | 89

guest77 @ 16: "But no one is thinking about how the Ukrainian people will survive the next winter or wether there will there be enough jobs and pensions for people to survive."

More peons for the Global Plantation. Just as planned.

knut @ 21: Yup.

Vietnam Vet @ 57:"Let’s be plain, regulated capitalism is just as dead as communism."

Again, yup! All part of the new corporate Globalism.

Don't worry folks, for those of you fortunate enough to live in a country with a good standard of living, the corporate monsters are coming for you also. More peons are needed.

Posted by: ben | Mar 30, 2014 11:59:01 PM | 90

Daily Beast says they got exclusive pictures. Exclusive Photographs Expose Russian Trained Killers in Kiev

The comment section seems pretty hostile to the article.

Posted by: ess emm | Mar 31, 2014 12:15:59 AM | 91

#90:

The article quotes Bogomolets contradicting the line that the article takes:

“We have demanded an independent and transparent investigation into who was involved in the crimes that took place and we are very worried that the people who are investigating are members of the bodies responsible for the shootings,” says Bogomolets.

The Western propagandists are confused.

Posted by: Demian | Mar 31, 2014 12:34:24 AM | 92

Posted by: ess emm | Mar 31, 2014 12:15:59 AM | 90

Yes, all the images prove is that Ukraine has Special Service.
All it was meant to was to counter the - also empty of proof - Lavrov claim they are "near to" sure Pravy Sector did it.

I guess the truth is much more inconvenient than Pravy Sector and the Russians know it as the Americans and it is used for blackmail.

So we will never know.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 31, 2014 12:37:23 AM | 93

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 30, 2014 11:03:33 PM | 88

I agree with a distinction. The Weimar troika - Germany, France, Poland - wanted a diplomatic solution.
The people backing Pravy Sector, Svoboda, Yulia Timoshenko and the Fatherland Party did not.
You could tell from the way Yulia Timoshenko embarrassed Angela Merkel by claiming Ukraine would have full European Membership next year, and by the stupid war talk ("Me and my son will take up arms ...)

Posted by: somebody | Mar 31, 2014 12:43:08 AM | 94

Diane Feinstein has now come out with this. So yes, there will be a diplomatic solution.

“I do not believe that threats mean much to Russia’s leadership. Instead I believe the recognition and satisfaction of the interests of both sides are paramount.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 31, 2014 12:48:05 AM | 95

I have no comprehension on how Tel Aviv thinks that could possibly be a good idea. Nazis are nazis, even if they are the enemy of your enemy. Sometimes 'The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend' is terrible logic.

Posted by: Massinissa | Mar 30, 2014 7:52:20 PM | 76

Tel Aviv is in a bind because some people there know history.

One of the big German papers now has confessed on the German experience of "supporting the independence of Ukraine" in two World Wars.

Though I am sure, that this time it was not Germany's interest to poke the bear, I am sure some people took out old dusty plans from the drawers to learn from them, just as they had done with Croatia.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 31, 2014 1:39:26 AM | 96

Quite ominous Rothschild agenda: US war plan for Europe and Russia


...“In the early 1980s, a European top NATO admiral said that American colleagues at the Pentagon had told him, unequivocally, that the US and UK would not hesitate in creating a new European war if the situation ever arose that Europe and Russia, then the USSR, were to develop close relations.”...
“The American dominance of the Atlantic axis with Western Europe is threatened by this development of closer economic ties between Europe and Russia. Germany and the Czech Republic have since the end of the Cold War developed close economic and other relations with Russia. Both are, together with Austria and Italy, pushing a trend towards even tighter relations with Moscow.”...
“The development of Russian-European partnership would leave the US politically, culturally and economically isolated within no more than 25 years. It would also mean that the US would become increasingly isolated in terms of its militarism and strategic encirclement of Russia and China. The dollar would collapse.”...

Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 31, 2014 2:58:16 AM | 97

This is how war in Ukraine will look like (hence Blackwater/Academi mercenaries sent there)


...Kissinger’s statement, that the notion of a war against Russia is nonsense, is correct only to the extend, that one considers a conventional, or worse, a nuclear conflict between the USA and Russia, or the two nuclear armed blocks NATO and CSTO.

The USA is neither planning such a conventional war with Russia or anywhere else. The main emphasis of modern US and NATO military doctrine is on unconventional warfare. The USA and NATO are, however, not only planning, but actively pursuing an unconventional war against Russia.
Admiral James G. Stavridis. Libya a teachable moment and model for future interventions

One of the main architects of this new NATO doctrine of unconventional warfare is the former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe and Commander of the U.S. European Command, Admiral James G. Stavridis.

In a 2011 article in Foreign Affairs, NATO`s Victory in Libya. The Right Way to Run an Intervention. Foreign Affairs. March/April 2012. Pp.2 – 7., Stavridis and Ivo H. Daalder, describe NATO’s intervention in Libya as a “teachable moment and a model for future interventions”.

As we know today, US and NATO intelligence services have been involved in preparing the subversion of Libya with the help of Muslim Brotherhood militants and Al-Qaeda brigades since 2007.

The NATO ”intervention” in Libya was again discussed in the same terms during NATO’s 25th Summit in Chicago in 2012. A 2010 US Special Forces Training Circular, the TC 18-01, describes the strategy of subversion in great detail and stresses that “the USA, for the foreseeable future, predominantly will be engaged in unconventional warfare”...

Stavridis was fired by Obama at the beginning of the "great purge" still ongoing today.

Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 31, 2014 3:11:38 AM | 98

UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE is the name of the game NATO has been playing in Libya, Syria, Iraq and planning for Ukraine. A major component is terrorizing the population by numerous atrocities, destroying infrastructure, culture - all that we can see in Syria. That's why Lavrov talks about negotiations with the putschists focusing on protecting the minorities.

NATO criminals (i.e. their Transatlantic BIG BUSINESS masters) say: we are prepared for a long civil war in Ukraine, supporting local and sending foreign terrorists/mercenaries where we can deny any official engagement, just like in Syria. It's away from UK/US thus won't hurt us but it is close to Russian borders and by setting that region on fire for many years we will block forming any closer ties between her and the EU.

The only solution is turning The City of London, Wall Street, Tel Aviv into dust NOW!

Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 31, 2014 3:33:36 AM | 99

Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 31, 2014 3:33:36 AM | 98

The only solution is turning The City of London, Wall Street, Tel Aviv into dust NOW!

Even by the standards of Nuspeak outlined by Orwell your handle is an obscenity. Got cowardly warmongering asshole much?

Dubhaltach

Posted by: Dubhaltach | Mar 31, 2014 3:43:24 AM | 100

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