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January 25, 2014

McCain On Syria: "We Were Winning ..."

BBC: McCain and Pushkov clash over Syria

US Senator John McCain and Alexei Pushkov, Chairman of Russia's State Duma Committee for International Affairs have clashed over policy towards Syria during a live TV debate.

Watching the short clip at the BBC site one can hear McCain say the following (at 1:48):

We all know what happened in Syria. We were winning and then, of course, 5,000 Hizbollah came in ...

"We"?

Posted by b on January 25, 2014 at 11:47 AM | Permalink

Comments

No Trulaine,Squire of Gothos,you weren't winning.Sheesh,will somebody torture him?Oh,that's been done already?Nice of him to admit our guilty hands though.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 25, 2014 11:57:08 AM | 1

Putin had it right about McCain some time ago when he said….“I think that he has enough blood of peaceful citizens on his hands. It must be impossible for him to live without these disgusting scenes anymore,” he said according to the Telegraph. “Mr. McCain was captured and they kept him not just in prison, but in a pit for several years. Anyone [in his place] would go nuts.” link to http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/McCain-Putin-Vietnam-POW/2011/12/16/id/421199 According to his fellow servicemen in Vietnam, the Admiral's son sang like a canary. I call him human scum.

Posted by: harrylaw | Jan 25, 2014 12:18:02 PM | 2

In his senile ramblings, we shall know the truth.

Only a man so utterly denuded of morals, human decency could speak of the murder of 100,000 people, the creation of millions of refugees, and the destruction of an ancient country as "winning" as if playing a game of checkers. But then this is a man who threatened to bomb another ancient country and kill untold thousands of people via a Beach Boys song parody. So we're not exactly dealing with the sharpest knife in the drawer, are we...

There are few people (and I use that term extremely loosely) on this planet more foul in character than this vacuous mouthpiece for imperial know-nothingness - except perhaps his partners in global crime: the dainty Southern Belle Lindsey Graham and Al Gore's running mate, Joe Lieberman.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 25, 2014 12:23:11 PM | 3

harrylaw, I agree with virtually every criticism of McCain regarding his casual kill-kill attitudes and as a damaged person. I think he does deserve some slack for 'singing' which I believe he probably did. I say that because I believe almost anyone being tortured would and because I know that I would. At least one of his fellow prisoners said in affect, sure he sang, eventually we all did. You are right saying that Putin was right.
“Mr. McCain was captured and they kept him not just in prison, but in a pit for several years. Anyone [in his place] would go nuts.”

Posted by: Lurker | Jan 25, 2014 12:47:21 PM | 4

Hillary Clinton’s Subversion Policy in Syria

Suppose that the Russian ambassador to the U.S. openly supported and encouraged anti-government groups in this country, traveled around, met with them, and assured them that the Russian government stood behind them and would provide various kinds of material support to their revolution. How long would he last before pro-government Americans began pelting him with eggs and before the State Department lodged a formal protest and told him to leave?

Hillary’s ambassador to Syria did just that, fomenting revolution in Syria. It wasn’t long before he was pelted with eggs. Clinton decided against introducing American forces outright into Syria. Instead she and Obama adopted a strategy of subversion. The point man in this effort was Robert S. Ford, made ambassador to Syria in December, 2010. AFter 8 months of Ford’s subversion efforts in Syria, Obama declared publicly that Assad must go. At the same time, he authorized material support to rebels in Syria.

This policy failed to dislodge Assad. The rebels splintered. Many were terrorists. The most effective fighters were terrorists. The rebels could not and did not form a coalition that would or could institute Hillary’s preferred style of government. All along, Syrian support for Assad remained strong
..
The U.S. influence has now been reduced to a farce in which it attempts to manipulate a Geneva conference by excluding Iran and declaring again that the agenda must be the departure of Assad.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/hillary-clintons-subversion-policy-in-syria/

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 25, 2014 12:51:14 PM | 5

Virgile @ 5 That Lew Rockwell link said ..In September of 2013, a gas attack near Damascus gave Obama and his new Secretary of State, John Kerry, a pretext to bomb Syria. This was averted when Syria agreed with Putin’s proposal that Syria dispose of all its chemical stores. The Jackass made a mistake when answering a question from a reporter at a news conference, the question was..what does Assad have to do to avert US action, to which he replied "Assad could avoid a US military strike by surrendering all his chemical weapons within a week" but immediately made it clear he was not making a serious offer. So there you have it, the only thing he has got right was because he made a mistake. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/09/us-syria-crisis-kerry-idUSBRE9880BV20130909

Posted by: harrylaw | Jan 25, 2014 1:24:46 PM | 6

Same clip, with "we were winning" at about 1:55:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNJ57hY0LDs

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jan 25, 2014 1:35:43 PM | 7

football mentality forwarded to politician mentality.. welcome to the usa! what a gong show.. thanks for reconfirming that mccain..

Posted by: james | Jan 25, 2014 1:42:34 PM | 8

Lurker @4 Your not John Kerry are you? I agree with your views on torture, and yes you are right, most people would "sing" but most people don't put themselves around as war heroes as that clown Mccain does.

Posted by: harrylaw | Jan 25, 2014 1:52:16 PM | 9

harrylaw @9 No, Harry, I am not McCain and I am also not 'concern trolling' if I understand that concept correctly. I am a combat veteran who truly despises warhawkery. Back when McCain was popular even among liberals against the war and when he was playing up his supposed anti-torture stance, I pointed out at TPMC more than once that he was a typical hypocritical scumbag war Hawk brand of politician and his real stance on torture was demonstrated by his support of Gonzales.

Posted by: Lurker | Jan 25, 2014 2:14:31 PM | 10

Seems Yanukociv's caved to the Boxer's demand..This is very dangerous move that will cost him dearly..It seems Yanukovic wants to enjoy the benefits of Russia but be "partially" part of the EU..

I think Russia will find some excuse to take back the money they promised...

Posted by: Zico | Jan 25, 2014 2:17:43 PM | 11

To see this makes me sick. you can see from the beginning how he's struggling to come up with a bullshit morale story for his war. Hear him talk about gang-raped women makes me sick to my heart, because probably its even 'his' guys that do those things. I consider myself a peaceful, rational and probably above average controlled person, but to see this asshole talk, while on the receiving end of his politics there are real victims that experience the worst of horrors gets me angry beyond reason.

Posted by: peter radiator | Jan 25, 2014 4:23:56 PM | 12

Brilliant post B

We were winning and then, of course, 5,000 Hizbollah came in ...

LOL. Yep Hezbollah has a habit of doing that.

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Jan 25, 2014 4:37:10 PM | 13

"We were winning and then, of course, 5,000 Hizbollah came in ..."
Hezbollah and Iran know that if the Islamists came to power in Syria the resistance to Israeli aggression and US hegenomy would be lost, Hezbollah would have to fight for its life, against the Saudi backed March 14th group, Syrian death squads and Israeli attacks from the south. Iran would be alone, and tormented mercilessly. In the event [unlikely now thank goodness] that Syria should succumb to the Wahhabi assault, a request by Assad for assistance from Iran for 200,000 or more Iranian troops should not go unanswered, and it would be perfectly legal. Give it to those nutcases good style.

Posted by: harrylaw | Jan 25, 2014 5:39:01 PM | 14

yes 'WE'!!! and here are some of his partners

Pepe Escobar
YET ANOTHER PROOF THAT THE HOUSE OF SAUD IS FINANCING THE BEHEADERS IN SYRIA.

VER IMPORTANT.

This is a shortened version of a video aired by al-Arabiya - which is OWNED by the House of Saud. The original, longer video has been deleted.

Oops! al-Arabiya was "careless" enough to air an itvw with a captured Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) jihadi in Syria.

Question: “Why do you (ISIS) monitor the movements of the Free Syrian Army?”

Jihadi: “I don’t exactly know why, but we received orders from ISIS Command”

Question: “Who among the command at ISIS gave you these orders?”

Jihadi: “Prince Abdulrahman al-Faisal, who is also known as Abu Faisal”

Prince Abdulrahman al-Faisal is none other than the former commander of the Saudi air force.

This explodes once and for all the now much-peddled Western myth of "good" and "bad" al-Qaeda. The jihadi gang as a whole is DIRECTLY commanded by the House of Saud, and we're not talking only about Bandar Bush's goons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTkXzdKDK38&feature=share

Posted by: brian | Jan 25, 2014 6:19:28 PM | 15

It's so easy to imagine him being briefed by some cia liason and then by the israelis and just wholeheartedly believing it all. Democracy loving young people massacred by the twisted dictator, and we were winning til mean old hezbo showed up!

Posted by: Crest | Jan 25, 2014 6:30:46 PM | 17

Syricide ‏@Syricide 1h
#AlQaeda-linked #ISIS opens branch in #Lebanon

A recording by a previously unknown figure was distributed on jihadist forums on Saturday, announcing the creation of a Lebanese franchise for the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), Agence France-Presse reported.

In the recording, Abu Sayyaf al-Ansari swears allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Iraqi leader of ISIS, which has its roots in al-Qaeda in Iraq and emerged in Syria last spring.

He called on Sunnis to abandon the Lebanese “crusader” army, echoing allegations by Sunni Islamists that the armed forces are “backed by Hezbollah.”

“We pledge allegiance to the prince of the believers, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi... and we ask him to guide us past the obstacles, and make us your spearhead in crushing your enemy, and not a single man among us will hold back in helping you,” AFP quoted Ansari as saying.

In the five-minute recording, he said “a spokesman for ISIL in Lebanon” identified as Abu Omar al-Muhajir would soon make a statement of his own.

The recording comes after Lebanon’s former premier said that the country’s Sunni Muslims refuse to be a part of any conflict between al-Qaeda and the Shiite movement Hezbollah, and denounce violent sectarian attacks anywhere in the country.

“The Lebanese, and the Sunnis among them, refuse to be part of any war in Lebanon or the region between Hezbollah and al-Qaeda,” said Saad Hariri, who heads the anti-Syrian Future bloc.

He added: “They also refuse that the civilians in any region of Lebanon become the targets.”

Hariri’s statement came a day after an al-Qaeda-inspired jihadist group warned that all areas where Hezbollah operates are “legitimate targets,” telling Sunnis to avoid them.

It also came as new shelling from across the border hit the Hermel and Masharia al-Qaa areas of Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley, causing no casualties.

The Nusra Front in Lebanon said it intended to attack strongholds of the Iranian-backed Hezbollah which could target any Shiite area.

The warning originally was made Friday on Twitter. It was reposted Saturday to websites used by militant groups.

The Nusra Front in Lebanon takes its name from the powerful al-Qaeda-linked group fighting in Syria against the rule of President Bashar Assad.

The war in neighboring Syria has inflamed sectarian tensions in Lebanon, with Hezbollah backing President Bashar al-Assad and many Sunnis supporting the rebellion against him.

The Nusra has claimed responsibility for two small bombing attacks targeting Lebanese Shiites in January that killed six people.

Hard-line Sunni groups increasingly have been targeting Lebanon’s Shiite minority, apparently as punishment for Hezbollah gunmen fighting alongside Assad’s forces in Syria.
etc

http://www.albawaba.com/news/al-qaeda-linked-isis-opens-branch-lebanon-549772

Posted by: brian | Jan 25, 2014 10:15:50 PM | 18

@ #2 and #4 etc, etc.
The question central to harrylaw and Lurker's differences over McCain is not whether McCain's unfortunate past excuses his psychotic behaviour. It's whether a psychotic personality would be invited to occupy a position of influence in a sane government?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 25, 2014 10:29:38 PM | 19

Syricide ‏@Syricide 4h
Nearly 1,400 dead since #Syria #rebel-#jihadist clashes began http://www.zamanalwsl.net/en/news/3385.html

But #Assad wasn't involved so its not worth mentioning

Posted by: brian | Jan 25, 2014 10:45:59 PM | 20

ad # 19.
That should read dysfunctionally psychotic personality.
And let's not forget that McCain was once a "serious" POTUS candidate.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 25, 2014 10:58:02 PM | 21

"We"?
It's some kind of Freudian Slip, b.
McCain's had himself filmed slapping the backs of his, Obama and the BBC's Syrian "rebels" and kidnappers. And he was in the studios of Rebel TV & Radio. It's funny that he was feeling so comfortable that he thought it was safe to dump the script and ad lib just to show how clever he is.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 25, 2014 11:54:05 PM | 22

"We all know what happened in Syria. We were winning and then, of course, 5,000 Hizbollah came in ..."

Long live resistance and all its supporters!

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Jan 26, 2014 1:06:28 AM | 23

"I call him human scum." Not because he was 'singing'.

He is typical US specimen, which can be find in any convenience store he is representative of National Character. Remember a song Strange Fruit and a mob around hanged bodies? Those unknown/anonymous individuals are him, he is just saying it publicly. John McCain is an Electoral will.

Always worth to remeber Joe Bageant and his Carpooling with Adolf Eichmann.

“One of the most unsettling things about this country is that the following people are considered perfectly sane by American standards: Dick Cheney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Deepak Chopra, Bill Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, Pat Robertson, Grover Nordquist, and Michelle Malkin. See anybody in that list even remotely normal? Every one of them lives in an egomaniacal la-la-land of his or her imagination and manages to get paid to do it. Believe me when I say that just about any face you see on your television or in the newspaper is a nutjob. I used to interview such freaks for a living. Of course, given that American journalists and interviewers have become mindless suck-asses, I understand that I may have a credibility problem here. But onward!”

For Apes: http://qz.com/170492/starbucks-is-getting-ready-to-let-you-order-coffee-before-you-get-to-the-store/#!

From your smart-phones you can order well ahead, imagine that!?

Joe Bageant

“Any culture that spends as much money as we do on ugly cars, fast food and liposuction cannot possibly be sane. Certainly we are not paying attention to cause and effect.”

Joe did not live in time of "remotely guided" Apes, so I dare to say "cannot possibly be sane" is understatement.

Posted by: neretva'43 | Jan 26, 2014 7:07:21 AM | 24

dodgy lawfirm and torture porn photos: clients include saudis and Erdogan!
http://nsnbc.me/2014/01/25/erdogan-client-law-firm-produced-syria-torture-photos/

Posted by: brian | Jan 26, 2014 7:16:36 AM | 25

By Joe Bageant

“Unfortunately, our national sanity is of the thoroughly dangerous sort -- the Third Reich sort. Remember that even Adolf Eichmann was determined to be completely sane by a panel of medical experts. At least as sane as you and me and if you would like to be excluded from this comparison, you may be excused. Like the other good Nazis, ole Eich would have easily made a respected member of American society today, probably as a Republican judicial nominee. He would have fit quite well into a nation of Americans going about its daily business caring for and protecting the homeland's security and profitability. Eichmann slept well at nights, the same as most of us, unaffected in appetite. He would have made a good carpooler, telling us all about the kids and grandkids as we commute the monotonous asphalt strips to and from our jobs, creating the paper work and the information product, the plastics and the commerce of the fatherland, that great sprawling circuit board one sees from airplanes. Like Eichmann, we are efficient, productive, and most terribly of all, untroubled by guilt. Oblivious as gravestones. Sane.”

In other words Little Eichmanns

Posted by: neretva'43 | Jan 26, 2014 7:29:59 AM | 26

"Little Eichmanns" is a phrase used to describe persons participating in society who, while on an individual scale may seem relatively harmless even to themselves, taken collectively create destructive and immoral systems in which they are actually complicit.

US Senator John McCain is no different than millions of average, in this case, US citizens. Or any individual poisoned by "belief" that his nation is indispensable and unique over the others. Typical characteristics of capitalists-liberal-democracy or Nation-state.

Posted by: neretva'43 | Jan 26, 2014 7:39:01 AM | 27

"winning"? Just like Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Libya?

US Regime-Change Drive in Syrian Peace Talks

TEHRAN (FNA)- Wednesday’s opening of talks on the Syrian crisis was dominated by the Obama administration’s insistence that the purpose of the Geneva II discussions was to remove President Bashar al-Assad and install a pro-US government.

In the manner of a colonial overlord, US Secretary of State John Kerry declared that “we see only one option, negotiating a transition government born by mutual consent,” the World Socialist Web Site said in a report.

Kerry made clear that “mutual consent” meant an outcome dictated by the US. “That means that Bashar Assad will not be part of that transition government,” he continued. “There is no way, no way possible, that a man who has led a brutal response to his own people can gain legitimacy to govern.”

Such thuggish arrogance is the trademark of US policy in every region of the world. Any government that is viewed as a hindrance to the pursuit of the geopolitical interests of the American ruling class is targeted for destabilization or overthrow, through covert or overt means. As Kerry spoke, extreme right-wing and fascistic forces in the Ukraine backed by the US and its allies in Western Europe escalated protests aimed at bringing down a government considered to be too closely tied to Russia.

In Syria, Washington has spent nearly three years seeking to use violence to carry out regime change. The US and its allies in Europe, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have financed an insurgency dominated by Islamic fundamentalist elements that have committed atrocities against ethnic and religious minorities. The conflict has produced more than 100,000 casualties and displaced millions. It threatens to develop into a region-wide civil war.

The US campaign in Syria follows the illegal US wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, which have devastated the two countries and led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people. It comes on the heels of the US-led war to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya.

The Obama administration brazenly cloaks its campaign in Syria in the rhetoric of democracy and human rights. Responding to comments by Syrian officials—who protested the insistence that they hand over power to the so-called “rebel” forces—the State Department denounced the regime for engaging in “inflammatory rhetoric” and failing to “lay out a positive vision for the future of Syria that is diverse, inclusive and respectful of the rights of all”.

Last September, the Obama administration was on the verge of launching a military assault against Syria, but ultimately pulled back after failing to forge an international coalition as it had in Libya in 2011, and in the face of broad popular opposition. In a last-minute tactical shift, Washington agreed to a Russia-brokered deal involving the destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons stockpiles. The Geneva II talks make clear, however, that Washington has not backed away from its basic strategy.

The modus operandi of American imperialism in the pursuit of its interests consists of thuggery and lies. The latest escalation is based on a well-timed allegation that the Assad regime carried out “industrial scale killing”, including the torture and murder of 11,000 detainees. The American media has been full of lurid allegations that stem from a report commissioned by Qatar, which has played a leading role in bankrolling Islamist militias within Syria. All of the supposed evidence is derived from the allegations of an operative codenamed “Caesar” who has been working with Syrian opposition groups since September 2011.

The testimony of “Caesar” on the situation within Syria has as much credibility as the tales of Iraqi chemical weapon mobile laboratories provided by the exiled opposition agent “Curveball” and promoted by the White House on the eve of invasion of Iraq 11 years ago.

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 26, 2014 8:21:39 AM | 28

Le livre place en pleine lumière la reprise en main par l’Empire de l’Afrique subsaharienne au travers de l’opération Serval, une agression militaire remaquillée en conte de fées pour traquer le barbu, à coup de chat-bite entre forces spéciales et idiots utiles.

http://diktacratie.com/leffroyable-imposture-imperiale-en-afrique/

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Jan 26, 2014 9:16:04 AM | 29

This link gives a good summary of the McCain "torture question."

It has to be seen in the context of a worldview in which the US is always right and its soldiers always on the right side.
In fact Americans are not at all exceptional-they are rather like the rest of us- and, confronted by evidence of the carnage they caused in Vietnam it is very likely that all but the most psychotic expressed remorse.
This is what happened in Korea where the US forces committed war crimes beyond number, most of them in the line of bombing unprotected villages and massacring civilians from the air-often machine gunning survivors of bombing. In POW camps many involved sobered up and confessed their crimes. Many chose never to return to the US.
To explain this the US government came up with the theory of "brainwashing" which has it that only the most cunning psychological manipulation, in an atmosphere of appalling terrorism, could explain the perfectly normal, decent behaviour of working class cannon fodder conscripted into a brutal foreign war.
As a result of the "brainwashing" nonsense the US devised a system to train personnel how to resist torture: this handy codification of the art of torture (SERE I think it is called) has been the bedrock of US military torture practices ever since.
I do not believe that McCain was tortured by anything except the conscience which, on his return home, he seems to have "deep sixed" for ever.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 26, 2014 9:47:01 AM | 30

The link I forgot:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/john-mccain-war-hero-or-something-less/5337240

Posted by: bevin | Jan 26, 2014 9:47:24 AM | 31

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Jan 26, 2014 9:16:04 AM | 29

What?

Posted by: neretva'43 | Jan 26, 2014 10:05:13 AM | 32

a new book, apparently by an embittered collaborator, on the tag-team games between special forces and useful idiots to which John McCain gives a public face

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Jan 26, 2014 10:12:10 AM | 33

"I do not believe that McCain was tortured by anything except the conscience..."

Even in a domain of probability, putting any of the US Senators (oligarchy) in sentence that contain a word conscience is foolish.

Posted by: neretva'43 | Jan 26, 2014 10:15:26 AM | 34

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Jan 26, 2014 10:12:10 AM | 33

That's much better...for a moment I thought this is a French speaking site. Yes, I admire your polyglot skills.:)

Posted by: neretva'43 | Jan 26, 2014 10:17:48 AM | 35

To explain this the US government came up with the theory of "brainwashing" which has it that only the most cunning psychological manipulation, in an atmosphere of appalling terrorism, could explain the perfectly normal, decent behaviour of working class cannon fodder conscripted into a brutal foreign war.

Superb summary bevin. And it points to the utter hypocrisy of the empire regarding the forced conscription of all American 6 year olds into the Prussian developed, US imported technique of creating docile subjects through compulsory education.

Actually I think Smedley Butler received three Medal of Honors but turned one down. “War is a Racket” by Smedley Butler should be required reading for the public education conscripts but...

"behaviour"? you must be a Cannuck. Think I may have noted that before but always good to connect with my homeland north of the border again.

Posted by: juannie | Jan 26, 2014 10:43:38 AM | 36

uughhh...Crash McCain,son and grandson of admirals and presently,useful idiot of empire...his getting shot down over vietnam was the best thing that could've happened to him, as his naval carreer was going nowhere...and howse about that tweet mentioned in that newsmax article; "hey vlad...watch out for the arab spring coming to a neighborhood near you"...ukraine?

Posted by: bfrakes | Jan 26, 2014 10:57:24 AM | 37

The LA Times has a piece today explaining that the GOP is upset with McCain 'cause he just ain't "conservative" enough. Ain't enough to spill blood, I guess. Won't be long before they're drinkin' it.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Jan 26, 2014 2:39:33 PM | 38

And just to remind everyone - as we look on at the murderous farce which is the Syria debacle - once again that the apartheid genocidal state of Israel still enjoys the subservience of most US leaders. Here's the effing new mayor of New York City telling AIPAC - in a closed door, no press session - last week:

"Part of his job as mayor of New York is to defend Israel."

"There is something elemental about being an American and defending Israel as there is no greater ally on Earth."

"You have a friend in me as mayor of New York who will always have a door open to AIPAC...that's my job."

And other such traitorous filth. And this guy is supposedly a "progressive". Eff you.

Seriously, when are these f*cking traitors going to hang?

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jan 26, 2014 2:53:27 PM | 39

"Seriously, when are these f*cking traitors going to hang?"

They own the rope. You'll hang before they do.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Jan 26, 2014 3:07:31 PM | 40

Kelly Makdissy Al Assad
#London
Small group of radical British #Islamists protest outside the Central Mosque in North London. Protesters heavily criticised the recent Syrian peace talks in #Geneva and Western secularism, demanding full Islamic state in #Syria as only solution.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=420354091428680&set=gm.570534903038209&type=1&theater

this is too bizarre: this could be a scene from saudi BUT its a smal group of what look like wahhabis in full regalia outside central mosque LONDON UK rally against democracy in syria! ,,,.,, must be hell to live in a democracy in UK! why dont they call for a sharia state in UK? better why dont they go live in saudi?

Posted by: brian | Jan 26, 2014 6:16:17 PM | 41

from what I have seen most mosques in the USA are either wahhabi or Gulen associated; is it any different in the UK?

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Jan 26, 2014 9:17:17 PM | 42

think about this one:
http://rt.com/news/un-syria-war-crimes-195/
how can defending your country from invaders be regarded as a WAR crime? whenn UK bomed dresden and US firebombed tokyo and nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki,..THOSE were war crimes...yet US and UK were never sent to Nuremberg.
................incidently, it was the UN that created UN RES 1973 that allowed NATO to attack Libya including bombing ZLITEN and killing 85 civilians....UN should be up for war crimes

Posted by: brian | Jan 26, 2014 10:44:33 PM | 43

Thierry Meyssan (voltairenet) claims that Al CIAda's Airforce (NATO) killed 160,000 libyans in 20,000+ bombing sorties. Considering that the targets were Libya's military and the destruction of a large percentage of its water and other hi-value civilian infrastructure projects, 160,000 is probably conservative.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 26, 2014 11:08:51 PM | 44

NATO Iraqified Libya.
i.e. destroyed its ability to function as a coherent and independent entity.
They also looted the Libyan Treasury and confiscated its Sovereign Wealth Fund which was being used to raise living standards elsewhere in Africa.
It's Schadenfreude gone mad...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 26, 2014 11:15:08 PM | 45

beware fake photos:
And many more faked photos used to shed #Syria-n blood and import 'jihadists'. #Syriawarcrimes #geneva2 https://twitter.com/Syrianonymous/status/427544893171322880/photo/1

Posted by: brian | Jan 27, 2014 1:12:56 AM | 46

how to anger the US regime: publicise US atrocities:
US Riled as Afghan Report Details Civilian Deaths in Air Strikes
Tags:AFGHANISTAN
The Karzai government his issued a new report detailing its on-the-ground findings in the January 15 US air strikes in Parwan, fueling anger among US and NATO officials and warnings of “growing doubts” about Karzai’s fitness to rule.

The report is in keeping with previous statements from officials involved in the probe, confirming the eight hours of US air strikes killed at least 12 civilians, and potentially as many as 17. NATO initially put the figure at zero, but revised it to two the day of the attack. They also promised investigations but haven’t issued any new statements.

And while plenty of Afghans are mad about the civilian deaths, that anger seems to pale in comparison to US anger about those deaths being publicized.
http://news.antiwar.com/2014/01/25/us-riled-as-afghan-report-details-civilian-deaths-in-air-strikes/

Posted by: brian | Jan 27, 2014 1:32:43 AM | 47

29

As Obama was being sworn into office, the Nigerian government, and who knows how many other African tin pot dictators, nationalized all resources to the State, right out from under the peoples' feet, making an entire nation indigent aboriginals in single swoop.

That evening at midnight, Obama's AfriCom came into existence to provide arms, finance and deep government to America's 'friends' and the are now 80 US military operations locations on the African continent...wait, make that 79 after Benghazi.

Posted by: Chip Nihk | Jan 27, 2014 5:50:48 AM | 48

i suppose Pushkov could tell McCain
"you sound like a Communist...Funny, we used to have them"

Posted by: chris m | Jan 27, 2014 6:12:06 AM | 49

PS
Communism is dead
Long live Communism
Though not here, of course.

ha ha

Posted by: chris m | Jan 27, 2014 6:14:28 AM | 50

@48 - That evening at midnight, Obama's AfriCom...

are you really that stupid? this is at least the second time you've made such an attribution so the evidence points to 'yes, you must be'

Posted by: b real | Jan 27, 2014 7:35:45 AM | 51

Erdogan client of the law firm that produced “Syria Torture Photos”

Who applied to this firm as a client? PM Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Yasin
Qadı, Yusuf al-Qaradawi and some other people connected with al-Qaeda. Enlighten the public about who these other people are as clients of this firm. Erdoğan has to justify how he formed a mutual client basis in this firm in London with Yusuf al-Qaradawi and other al-Qaeda affiliated people. That firm is not unfamiliar with the Prime Minister.”

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_66355.shtml

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 27, 2014 12:18:13 PM | 52

people of Homs must not be forced to leave their homes

Can you believe it? 2 Days ago, western press wrote how they seemingly wrested from "regime" the concession to let civilians leave homs. NOW however, they tell us that the terrorist rats need their civilian shields and won't let them go,in the same sentence citing the "US Spokesman" with the following: "The situation is desperate and the people are starving."

Put this together and they're saying "people are starving but we have no interest in helping them, but our only interest is getting supplies into Homs".

Now that's so obviously showing who the real bad guys are, that of course this crumb of news is either completely ignored or, like at the guardian, not opened for comments.

Of all the foggy talk here's imho a point where they have to be outspoken about how little they actually care for "people's suffering".

Posted by: peter radiator | Jan 27, 2014 1:30:03 PM | 53

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