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Reuters just reported that the estimated death toll from Syrian chemical weapons attacks -- 1,429 in the US intelligence summary -- includes bombing victims. Reuters cited three Congressional sources who reported that administration officials conceded that the 1,429 figure included victims from bombings after the release of sarin.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/09/13/us-syria-crisis-intelligence-idUKBRE98B1C220130913

I've noticed that the American press has consistently referred to the death toll as 1,429 even though British and French intelligence & Doctors Without Borders reported far fewer casualties.

Posted by: Harper Langston | Sep 13, 2013 12:07:10 PM | 1

Have events taken the wind out of Obama's sails or what? Much better for him, and the rest of us, if he were to simply keep is mouth shut rather than be made to look so sad a face like he currently appears to this interested observer.

Posted by: thecelticinme | Sep 13, 2013 12:09:04 PM | 2

From Real News on Russian interests in Syria:

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10708

Posted by: ben | Sep 13, 2013 12:29:45 PM | 3

In my local news in Finland: Russia wants the UNSC al-Qaeda sanction committee to add a Finnish terror sponsor on the sanctions list. Britain, France and Luxembourg have blocked the proposal. (No opposition from the US.)
Russia wants Finn on terrorist list

Mikael Storsjö host the Imarat Kavkaz (Caucasus Emirate) propaganda organ Kavkaz Center form his office in central Helsinki. His office has also become the home to something that resembles an embassy of the Caucasus Emirate, with a number of of leading terrorist or their close relatives working at the office. I have also speculated that planning for Russia's latest terror campaign is done in Finland.

Interestingly, it may be this same Chechen terror network that may be behind the Syria chemical weapons attack. At least if we are to believe Wayne Madsen.
Getting to the bottom of the rebels’ chemical weapons use in Syria – Wayne MADSEN, 11.09.2013

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 13, 2013 1:00:04 PM | 4

A statement from way back in 1966. How prophetic is this statement?


"“The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole.” —Prof. Caroll Quigley, Georgetown University, Tragedy and Hope (1966)"

The full article from 2013:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/making_the_world_safe_for_banksters_syria_in_the_cross-hairs_20130905/

Posted by: ben | Sep 13, 2013 1:01:28 PM | 5

I dont understand why this notice is not in MOA:
from Wed 4,
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents?INTCMP=SRCH

NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel

• Secret deal places no legal limits on use of data by Israelis
• Only official US government communications protected
• Agency insists it complies with rules governing privacy
• Read the NSA and Israel's 'memorandum of understanding'

Glen Greenwald, Laura Poitras, Ewen MacAskill

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 13, 2013 1:06:27 PM | 6

PK @ 4: Good Madsen article, thanks.

Posted by: ben | Sep 13, 2013 1:06:54 PM | 7

What is Juan Cole smoking. His argument re: Putin's op-ed appears to be written by someone who is presenting an essay to a 6th Grade elementary audience.....

Posted by: georgeg | Sep 13, 2013 1:14:43 PM | 8

8) it is "unpatriotic" to agree with Putin.

The New Yorker calls it Propaganda and argues all the way back to Stalin

they mainly object to this bit:

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack—this time against Israel—cannot be ignored.

though US congressmen like Alan Grayson say this

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack—this time against Israel—cannot be ignored.

A lot of people see themselves back in the times of the cold war.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 13, 2013 1:27:54 PM | 9

9)
sorry, mistake, Alan Grayson said this

GRAYSON: Well, as you can see from the public document, the four-page document that was released, they've omitted all of the information that goes against their case. There's not a single bit of contrary information in that document. And many members of Congress now, including whole committees in Congress, have asked the administration to provide the underlying intelligence, the signal intelligence, the human intelligence, and so on, and at least let us, through our classified clearance, see the reality of the situation. And so far, after a week of requests, they said they were going to do it and they haven't done it.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 13, 2013 1:28:58 PM | 10

Two excellent analyses from the Asia Times Online

"China stitches up the (SCO) Silk Rd"

"Putin eyes Obama's Iran file"

Posted by: Crone | Sep 13, 2013 1:31:14 PM | 11

@ 4

Mikael Storsjö host the Imarat Kavkaz (Caucasus Emirate) propaganda organ Kavkaz Center form his office in central Helsinki. His office has also become the home to something that resembles an embassy of the Caucasus Emirate, with a number of of leading terrorist or their close relatives working at the office. I have also speculated that planning for Russia's latest terror campaign is done in Finland.

The Kavkaz Centre is somehow connected to the Neo-Con Jamestown Foundation.

Can't remember exactly how, but I'm fairly sure that it is.

Possibly something to do with a trail traced back from the website to the JF.

Posted by: hmm | Sep 13, 2013 2:20:09 PM | 12

@ 11: Thanks Crone, this "Silk Rd" thing probably scares the hell out of Western Capitalists. No doubt part of the rush to secure the resources of the Mid-East.

Posted by: ben | Sep 13, 2013 2:27:43 PM | 13

The only named source in this entire rigmarole is someone at WINEP:

Elite Syrian Unit Scatters Chemical Arms Stockpile
Adam Entous, Julian Barnes, Nour Malas, WSJ, Sep 13 2013

A secretive Syrian military unit at the center of the Assad regime's chemical weapons program has been moving stocks of poison gases and munitions to as many as 50 sites to make them harder for the US to track, according to US and Middle Eastern officials. The movements of chemical weapons by Syria's elite Unit 450 could complicate any US bombing campaign in Syria over its alleged chemical attacks, officials said. It also raises questions about implementation of a Russian proposal that calls for the regime to surrender control of its stockpile, they said. USraeli intelligence agencies still believe they know where most of the Syrian regime's chemical weapons are located, but with less confidence than six months ago, US officials said. Unit 450, a branch of the Syrian Scientific Studies and Research Center that manages the regime's overall chemicals weapons program, has been moving the stocks around for months, officials and lawmakers briefed on the intelligence said. Movements occurred as recently as last week, the officials said. The unit is in charge of mixing and deploying chemical munitions, and it provides security at chemical sites, according to US and European intelligence agencies. It is composed of officers from Assad's Alawi sect. One diplomat briefed on the unit said it was Alawi from "janitor to commander." (etc)

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 13, 2013 2:35:09 PM | 14

If you have the stomach to ingest a load of bile, which though aggravating to read is nonetheless a clear statement of the Western foreign policy elite, check out Roger Cohen's "An Anchorless World."

Cohen rages against Obama for not launching a unilateral strike against Syria. He villifies "Assad, who traffics in deception and slaughter." He heaps scorn on an isolationist public. And of course no fine bit of bellicose rhetoric is complete without an invocation of the horrors of Nazism about to be revisited on us unless we heed the call to remove the butcher (--insert here: Saddam, Gaddafi, Milosevic, oh, yes! Assad).

Cohen pines for the mythic days of peace and freedom that Uncle Sam selflessly bestowed on the planet following Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

I think elites are frothing at the mouth because they're starting to figure out that there might be some natural limits not only to their neoliberal market magic but also to their ever-ready war machine.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Sep 13, 2013 3:00:42 PM | 15

I would love to hear an opposing view, but to me now that things have settled down from the amazing bit of diplomatic smackdown by Russia the US,Saudi Arabia,Qatar,Israel,and Turkey are facing total defeat on Syria and their wider plans for the Middle East.

The chemical weapons stalling tactic worked exactly how Russia and Syria wanted it to. Russia and Syria will drag out the talks and turn them from Syria disarming to a regional nuclear and chemical WMD free zone. The US isn't going to be able to have their forces on permanent standby for war and will eventually have to stand down and leave the area while diplomatic talks drag on.

Syria,Russia,Iran, and China will have been brought closer together and see the need to form stronger military ties to prevent any future US military hostilities in the region.

The Syrian war against foreign mercenaries and jihadists will start to wind down over the rest of the year as the advances against the FSA terrorists continue to snowball as each new area cleaned frees up more and more SAA forces to concentrate on the rapidly dwindling FSA held zones. The war will slowly transform from an existential threat to a possibly long term internal fight against terror attacks committed by the left overs of the FSA.

The only thing that most likely turn out for the best is the complete sweeping under the rug of the FSA chemical weapons massacre.

Posted by: Blinn | Sep 13, 2013 3:31:11 PM | 16

Rebellion under the radar

To counter the Maoist propaganda, national broadcaster All India Radio will play jingles urging villagers and tribals to distance themselves from Naxal groups and instead join the mainstream.

Posted by: ruralito | Sep 13, 2013 3:55:07 PM | 17

@6

As much I'm glad to see that the intel "sharing" between the US and Israel has again make it back into the MSM news - this stuff was originally mentioned back during the AT&T scandal of the early 2000s and again brought up by James Bamford in his 2008 book The Shadow Factory - it won't matter b/c the Zionist propaganda machine is too powerful in the US. How powerful? That Arnon Milchan - a man who was an acknowledged nuclear spy for Israel - could live the life of Riley in the US producing 100+ Hollywood films like "Mr + Mrs. Smith", "Natural Born Killers", "LA Confidential" and on and on and on and NO ONE seems to give a shit.

Stealing nuclear secrets for the apartheid state of Israel? Give that man an Oscar!!!

@8

Juan - murderous propagandist trash - should be ridiculed at every opportunity but his target audience - mainstream US "progressives" and "liberals" probably do have an understanding of ME affairs rivaling that of 6th graders.

@14

Now are you seeing it, Rowan? Zionist propagandists such as those at WINEP are pushing those stories while other Zionists propagandists such as Bodansky are pushing their tales - ie., the WH or KSA were responsible for the attack. Orders have been given to muddy - or is it "bloody"? - the waters so Israel's presence in the whole affair continues to recede.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Sep 13, 2013 4:03:09 PM | 18

Crazy CNN anchor Christiane Amanpour want war.. NOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDnKdEem8FA

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 13, 2013 4:13:59 PM | 19

The real new is that no mainstream US source mentions that the US shares the personal data of Americans with Israel. It's like this never happened.

Posted by: Tod | Sep 13, 2013 5:26:40 PM | 20

@12

Wasn't there a connection between the Jamestown Foundation and the elder of the brothers who perpetrated the Boston Marathon bombing?

Posted by: lysias | Sep 13, 2013 5:39:00 PM | 21

@9 it is "unpatriotic" to get your head out of your ass too apparently..
@18 thanks for that..

Posted by: james | Sep 13, 2013 6:04:10 PM | 23

And we all talk and talk and talk. Ooh, I wonder what's happening. Here's a song but you can only hear it if you watch a motherfucking commercial. Neat and kewl. From a long, long time ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5M_Ttstbgs

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 6:17:46 PM | 24

That was probably bullshit too. Hate to say that my entire life has been bullshit. Yeah, I hate it.

Sorry, this is the best I can do.

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 6:20:35 PM | 25

This makes me feel good too. Whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50LAFfIcL1Q

No, I never took LSD.

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 6:25:53 PM | 26

Beyond another motherfucking commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aOGnVKWbwc

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 6:34:17 PM | 27

thanks tsisageya... I enjoyed the respite... music is good

pssst... don't hate life. It's wonderful, move your needle, change the groove.

Posted by: Crone | Sep 13, 2013 6:39:45 PM | 28

Oh sir, may I please have another?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SjqGfe-yM

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 6:41:05 PM | 29

I'm trying, crone. I really am. And actually to tell the truth I hate music. HATE it. I know, I know. Don't school me. lol

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 6:51:04 PM | 30

Also, thank you Crone for bearing with me in my disgust. You're very kind.

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 6:53:26 PM | 31

I'm not being very Moon of Alabama, I guess.

Or, AM I?

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 6:54:57 PM | 32

@tsisageya...

Please condense your posts. This is not twitter. Otherwise, fine, and welcome!

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Sep 13, 2013 7:14:04 PM | 33

I do live in Alabama, though. I live in the wonderful capitol (capital? I always forget the spelling.) of Alabama---Montgomery. No, I don't hate life at all. I love life. I only hate the evil that seeks to destroy. Does that make sense?

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 7:15:29 PM | 34

Dr. Wellington Yueh, thanks for the heads up but I don't know what you're talking about. I sure do appreciate your concern though.

Going to bed now.

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 7:21:13 PM | 35

Sweet dreams everyone.

Posted by: tsisageya | Sep 13, 2013 7:22:03 PM | 36

@hmm #12

The Jamestown Foundation publishes a lot of useful information about the North Caucasus terrorist. It should however be evident to everyone that their real mission is to serve as a propagandist and front organization for these same terrorists. (Here I am not referring to the Boston Bombing incident, this goes way back.)

The connection between Kavkaz Center and Jamestown Foundation may be that Kavkaz Center gets its funding from NED and the US State department. The Kavkaz Center office in Helsinki also happen to host a number of support and front organizations that get their funding from the National Endowment for Democracy. The most important of these is the Finnish-Russian Civic Forum (FINROSFORUM) founded by Mikael Storsjö and Heidi Hautala, currently the Finnish minister for Minister for International Development at the Finnish Ministry for Foreign Affairs. The Kavkaz Center operation would not be possible without the support of the highest levels of the Finnish government.

In the Fatima Tlisova presentation on the NED site you see an "Adam Tumsoev" described as the web administrator of Kavkaz Center. His real name is Islam Matsiev. The photo in this article at strategic-culture.org (mirror) shows him sitting next to Mikael Storsjö and Minister Heidi Hautala. He is the younger brother or cousin of Beslan massacre coordinator Yunus Matziev. Both lived in their grandfather's house at Central Street 49 in Staraya Atagi. The compound also housed the bunker headquarters of al-Khattab and Shamil Basayev.


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@lysias #18

Re: "Your link for the Madsen article no longer works."
Originally I tried to post the link to the 4th Media version, but that site was down at the time. (Now back on-line.)

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 13, 2013 7:27:38 PM | 37

As another commented/ wrote, "obama's having his cuban missile crisis moment. it's farce, and a badly written one at that".

Let us not forget, FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government look up, my post on Amodocs here in the archives...

Also see, Defeating AIPAC Starts with Syria

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 13, 2013 7:38:08 PM | 38

Kenneth Roth: Human Rights for...war
You have to see the campaign for war that Kenneth Roth is waging on Twitter. This is an amazing opportunity to expose once for all the true war mongering and non-peaceful motives and aims of some Western human rights organizations, like HRW. This organization which parcels out its words and minimizes at every occasion the crimes of the Israeli regime, and which never ever called for international accountability for its crimes and massacres now sees its true role as agent of empire. The true colors, at last. It is funny though, if you think about it, if we are not talking about wars that kill innocent people. A western human rights organization sees its role as agitating for war (against non-Western people, of course). More later.
http://angryarab.blogspot.ca/2013/09/kenneth-roth-human-rights-forwar.html

Posted by: brian | Sep 13, 2013 8:19:02 PM | 39

if its music you want here is what is known as a good, old fashioned knees up:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36221.htm

Posted by: bevin | Sep 13, 2013 8:32:17 PM | 40

A lot of people see themselves back in the times of the cold war.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 13, 2013 1:27:54 PM | 9

the good old dayz when men waz men and russians were commmies....nice and uncomplicated

Posted by: brian | Sep 13, 2013 8:37:55 PM | 41

"A lot of people see themselves back in the times of the cold war."

Many of them are among those, such as McCain and the neo-con tribe, who know nothing else: they sold themselves to the Truman Doctrine and the war on communism when they were young. And they have made good livings at it. Perestroika scared the shit out of them: for a brief moment they had this nightmare vision of peace and fraternity. And, for scum like the Kristols, Max Boot and Scoop Jackson, there's no money in that.

So they have insisted that there must be a Cold War. If necessary against Iran or Grenada, Panama or Libya. But the truth is that the one they really yearn after is the old confrontation with Russia and China. They mistake Putin for Stalin and the current Chinese leadership for Mao.

But they are old, silly men with stupid, robotic sons saying things that mobody believes any more. And they are gradually passing away. Even Obama, brought up to fear them and anticipate their every desire, must be coming to realise that the market for aggressive foreign policy is shrinking and he no longer has to kill kids daily to escape the charge, from the Kagans, Cheneys and Tom Friedmans of being a wimp.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 13, 2013 9:51:26 PM | 42

Jackass due in Israel to discuss Syria with Netanyahu
DEBKAfile, Sep 13 2013

Jackass Kerry will be coming to Israel next Sunday with words of reassurance for Netanyahu. Israel is deeply concerned by a sense that the Obama administration has sold out the Syrian rebels and saved Assad in a deal with Moscow. No one in Jerusalem trusts Assad’s pledge to give up his CW, certain he will surrender no more than a portion to international control and conceal the rest.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 13, 2013 11:23:42 PM | 43

god bless the muricuns, they seem to be at every corner of the world, always hard at work in some *humanitarian* missions .....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-soldiers-in-nepal-on-chinas-tibet-border-on-a-reconnaissance-humanitarian-mission/5305643

the china friendly nepalese monarchy has been toppled by a maoists government ......made in new delhi !
myanmar has *seen the light* n open up for biz,
xinjiang had almost a bloodbath per week lately,
afpak is crawling with cia/raw/mossad sponsored death squads targeting chinese workers n tourists.
india is crying out loud about *chinese incursions* every other week,
muricun proxies have been ratching up the pressure in scs,
abe seem bent on escalating the diaoyu conflict to force china's hand..

n now,
*Intelligence reports from North Korea confirm that US boots are also on ground there, with the connivance of Kim Jong-un’s sister and brother-in-law who want North Korea to become another star in the spangled banner*

do the techocrats in zhongnanhai stand a chance against the seasoned mafiasos in fukus ?

[quiz] why'd assad launch a cw attack when he is getting the upper hand over the muricun sponsored aq, breaching the obama *red line* n inviting an muricun attack ?
[hint] why'd china get all *assertive*, as so many talking heads have claimed, just when the *asia pivot* is in full swing, china could have swept the lilliputians [1] n take the prize, while fukus was busy bombing the hell outta iraq, afpsk ?

[1]
http://www.4thmedia.org/2012/09/05/the-18th-cpc-congress-special-dangerous-crossroads-america-pressures-asean-bloc-to-contain-china/

Posted by: denk | Sep 13, 2013 11:35:49 PM | 44

Rowan,


No one in Jerusalem trusts Assad’s pledge to give up his CW, certain he will surrender no more than a portion to international control and conceal the rest.

I don't think Assad has given any pledge-trusted or otherwise. He's made clear that any decommissioning of Syria's strategic deterrent is contingent on a guarantee of non-aggression from the US and an end to arming the Al Qaeda invaders. Putin has largely said the same. Neither of those conditions will be met and so therefore, The Syrian government's chemical weapons are staying right where they belong. Note that this face saving gesture handed to Obama was just that and ONLY that. Obama got a rope to climb out of his rhetorical hole. There will be no tangible gains.

It is actually delicious irony. The Russians and Syrians are playing the US 1990s Iraq game of demanding concessions, knowing they can't be granted. The difference being that Syria's demands of not attacking and not arming Al Qaeda are entirely reasonable.

Posted by: Lysander | Sep 14, 2013 12:03:51 AM | 45

On our way to.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLsElbW9Xo

Posted by: Rodger | Sep 14, 2013 1:02:09 AM | 46

A week ago, a US Air Force cargo plane left Charleston Air Force Base, home of Colonel Lindsey Graham, also “Senator” Lindsey Graham, one of the most powerful advocates for war against Syria (and Russia).

It landed in Tbilisi Airport, in the Republic of Georgia. There, it was loaded with what local sources indicate to be “ammunition from the Lugar Lab.”

Every aspect of this operation was observed, from South Carolina to Tbilisi.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/13/us-caught-in-sarin-terror-plot/

Posted by: Rodger | Sep 14, 2013 1:09:13 AM | 47

The distrust in U.S.-Russia relations was on display even in an off-hand parting exchange at the news conference. Just before it ended, Kerry asked the Russian translator to repeat part of Lavrov's concluding remarks.

When it was clear that Kerry wasn't going to get an immediate retranslation, Lavrov apparently tried to assure him that he hadn't said anything controversial . "It was OK, John, don't worry," he said.

"You want me to take your word for it?" Kerry asked Lavrov. "It's a little early for that."

http://www.navytimes.com/article/20130913/NEWS08/309130001/Kerry-Syria-peace-prospects-ride-weapons-talks

Posted by: Rodger | Sep 14, 2013 1:25:02 AM | 48

muricun multitaking from a to z,
http://www.4thmedia.org/2013/09/10/survey-reveals-deeper-penetration-of-africom-on-the-continent/

Posted by: denk | Sep 14, 2013 1:43:33 AM | 49

43/44 - some people really, really yearn for the cold war - spy stories and all this fun.
I guess a Russian US partnership is boring.
What if US and Russia compare their notes on Al Qeida?

Posted by: somebody | Sep 14, 2013 2:08:37 AM | 50

this one is voluntary...kinda, sorta
http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/05/please-america-be-gentle-its-my-first-time/

this is another forced penetration
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36222.htm

Posted by: denk | Sep 14, 2013 2:39:53 AM | 51

This man Ban ki moon... amazing, are Kerry writing his speeches? Complete moron!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10308480/Assad-guilty-of-crimes-against-humanity-says-UN-chief-Ban-Ki-Moon.html

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 14, 2013 2:48:55 AM | 52

A week ago, a USAF cargo plane left Charleston AFB... Veterans Today. Posted by: Rodger | Sep 14, 2013 1:09:13 AM | 43
Veterans today is absolutely full of shit. I would never believe anything I saw there.
Rowan, "No one in Jerusalem trusts Assad’s pledge to give up his CW, certain he will surrender no more than a portion to international control and conceal the rest." I don't think Assad has given any pledge-trusted or otherwise. He's made clear that any decommissioning of Syria's strategic deterrent is contingent on a guarantee of non-aggression from the US and an end to arming the Al Qaeda invaders. Putin has largely said the same. Neither of those conditions will be met and so therefore, The Syrian government's chemical weapons are staying right where they belong. Posted by: Lysander | Sep 14, 2013 12:03:51 AM | 41
On this, you have to watch -- and I'm serious, this is unforgettable -- Syrian Girl Partisan goes absolutely ballistic at the thought of Syria giving up its CW: link: "This is what this war is about! This is what our soldiers bled for. Only so we can give up our strategic defence? Why should #Syria not demand that #Israel give up its chemical weapons? From Our Cold Dead Hands!"

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 14, 2013 3:25:02 AM | 53

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 13, 2013 11:23:42 PM | 39

See if you can encourage/trick Debbie into expressing an opinion about Chuck Hagel. I'm pretty sure he's only got one foot in the Israel-controlled Obama camp and although he's slowly ramping up his rhetoric, I'm not aware of any outright lie which can be attributed to him. The Lobby tried to ambush and 'smother him in the crib' during the nomination hearings (not the smartest, and one of the most desperate, things they've ever done). If anyone was likely to toss "Israel" under the bus it would be Hagel. Until he tells a porkie for Obama, I'd bet a few dollars that Hagel's mere existence keeps a lot of "Israelis" awake at night - and uncharacteristically quiet.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 14, 2013 3:58:01 AM | 54


3- A gas that spares women

TM : In these documents is explained that most of the victims are children.

Indeed, you can see in the videos that many children are in agony. They are all about the same age. There are also adults. But all the adults are men. And generally, are at the age where they can fight.

There are no woman. Aside from two exceptions, there were no women in the officially announced victims. On the 1 429 official victims, only 2 are women.

It would be the first time that a gas would discriminate individuals according to their gender.

4- The victims are prisoners of the jihadists

TM : When these images had been broadcasted, the first thing that jumps to eye is that none of these children are accompanied.

This is very shocking, because in Near-Eastern culture, you never leave a body unaccompanied, even more so when they are children.

But these children are without parents.

Then, we can see them in the hands of people that are presented as medical staff, trying to save them. But it is hard to deduce what exactly the staff is doing.

In fact, their is a simple reason : these children are not victims of a chemical attack.

These are children that were kidnapped two weeks previous, in the beginning of August, in the Latakia region, 200 km away from the Ghouta.

They were taken while a jihadist attack on pro-Assas alaouit villagers. Most of the families were killed. Some survived. In the improvised cemeteries around Latakia were found over a thousand dead.

These children, of whom no one has heard about for two weeks, actually resurfaced on these videos.

Those of which the families were still alive recognized them, and these families pressed charges for assassination. If we don’t understand what kind of care is given to these children on these videos, it’s simply because they are not being treated.

They are being injected poison by intravenous, and being killed in front of the cameras.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article180221.html

Posted by: brian | Sep 14, 2013 4:23:06 AM | 55

@49
Veterans today is absolutely full of shit. I would never believe anything I saw there.

May be you forgot about this, Senator Richard Lugar gets new lab named after him in Tbilisi

The U.S. Defense Threat Reduction Agency, which built the lab, said in 2009 that when finished, the lab would only be staffed by Georgians. But this spring, President Saakashvili’s administration said there will be American military researchers doing research at the lab. The head of Russia’s consumer protection agency, Gennady Onishchenko, grabbed onto this and said April 9 that he couldn’t understand why American military researchers would be stationed so close to Russia’s borders, and pointed out that the director of the facility is the former head of Georgia’s foreign intelligence service.

http://dfwatch.net/the-trouble-with-american-military-laboratories-74847

http://georgianamerica.com/eng/news/lugar_applauds_opening_of_nunn_lugar_bio_threat_laboratory_in_tbilisi_georgia_729

Posted by: Rodger | Sep 14, 2013 4:44:17 AM | 56

Russians open up for ch. 7 (intervention) if this deal isnt working. Syria got ditched big time.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 14, 2013 7:10:25 AM | 57

my letter to SFGATE: Hello SFGATE
this shameful article of yours and your pulitzer prize winner:
http://www.sfgate.com/...

who is the hypocrit?Putin or SFGATE?

1. claims 'rebels' couldnt kill their 'own people'.
The children in the pics and videos are syrians from Latakia
http://www.voltairenet.org/article180221.html
not kids of jihadis from chehnye libya tunisia jordan...

locals call SFgates pulitzer winner a shameless liar:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/.../168135/

2.
the insurgents(not 'rebels') have used sarin:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/.../5347523
http://www.presstv.ir/.../

3. russia only nation involved in syria conflict?
try saudi qatar israel US turkey
http://www.globalresearch.ca/.../5336827
http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/.../

arming terrorists is a crime under international and national laws
and media aiding war is also a war crime: remember Julius Streicher?

SHAME ON YOU SFGATE

Posted by: brian | Sep 14, 2013 7:31:18 AM | 58

Big Oil retreating too

Exxon Mobil’s second-quarter results showed that the company, like other oil producers, is having difficulty overcoming the lack of large and easily accessible oil deposits, as well as competition from state-run oil companies. This problem holds true in Iraq, home to the largest oil fields open to foreign investment in the Middle East.

Just over a week ago, sources told The Wall Street Journal that the Exxon Mobil asked Iraq if it could sell less than half of its 60 percent stake in one of the country’s largest oil fields — West Qurna-1, which is located about 31 miles northwest of the southern oil hub of Basra — to state-owned PetroChina
...
Changes in the oil- and gas-producing industry provide some economic context for Exxon Mobil’s decisions. The United States’s domestic oil and gas boom, which has transformed energy markets on a global level, has largely benefited smaller and midsize companies, not Exxon.

“For many companies across the marketplace, balance sheets are improving, but with the majors, they’re deficit spending,” Tudor Pickering Holt’s co-president, Dan Pickering, told the Financial Times. Oil majors currently appear to be caught in a downward cycle of spending more to find and produce less oil, and capital expenditures have therefore increased while earnings have decreased.

So in addition to reporting the first decline in profit in four years, Exxon Mobil said that daily oil and gas production fell by approximately 1.9 percent in the second quarter, falling to 4 million barrels. The quarter was the eighth straight period of year-over-year production declines.

The narrowing price gap between cheaper, domestically produced crude and more expensive foreign crude seems to have hurt margins more than expected, Edward Jones analyst Brian Youngberg told The Wall Street Journal. “You’re just seeing these operating costs accelerating across the board,” he said. “It’s a challenging time for them.”

Posted by: somebody | Sep 14, 2013 7:37:33 AM | 59

As for the recently reported distribution of Syria's chemical weapons to 50 cities, well, this seems to be the first source:

http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news/politics-and-military/military/syrias-chemical-weapons-could-fall-into-hands-of-extremists-1588

I think this was taken and fixed to discredit Assad's statement regarding the CWC.

Posted by: g_h | Sep 14, 2013 9:18:18 AM | 60

After three days of joint talks between Russia and the US, a deal is reached. John Kerry has now stated that the ‘Assad regime’ must live up to its new commitments, with

“the goal to establish the removal [of chemical weapons] by halfway through next year”.

For sure, the rhetoric will continue and the usual suspects will be scrambling around for tough guy sound bites to remind us that “nothing is off the table” and “there can be no room for games”.

But make no mistake - the Russians are running the show. They’ve guaranteed that the ‘Assad regime’ will be around for a while longer yet, so that they can “live up to their commitments”.
Non-compliance from the Syrian Government is a non-starter so the use of force is a moot point, no matter how much the BBC and other pro-rebel outlets cling to this as hope that intervention is still just around the corner.

Assad must go! Erm, Assad must stay! At least until the middle of next year..

In fact, the “goal” is mid-2014, but who knows how long the process will take? What if only 60% has been removed this time next year? Bombed for not being fast enough, despite a clear demonstration of their willingness to cooperate? I hardly think so.

And in the meantime? Storage facilities remain in Government control, so don’t expect the progress of the Syrian army to be hindered in other areas by the presence of UN inspectors on the ground. I don’t buy the notion that by giving these weapons up, Syria is giving up its deterrence against attack. Russia has assumed this role. The losers are the opposition who will have seen the red line for US intervention erased.


However, let’s hope that the removal of chemical weapons doesn’t replace a red line with a green light. The threat of jihadists getting their hands on these stockpiles seems to have held back their personal supply of conventional weapons somewhat. No chemicals, no problem..

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Sep 14, 2013 9:31:51 AM | 61

However, let’s hope that the removal of chemical weapons doesn’t replace a red line with a green light. The threat of jihadists getting their hands on these stockpiles seems to have held back their personal supply of conventional weapons somewhat. No chemicals, no problem..

That's what I'd expect. Also I guess that the "inspectors" are, like they did in the past, going to demand access to everything, doing on-the-ground reconaissance work. When accomplished, there's still every chance of US/Nato doing their thing (i.e. destroy the syrian airforce, anti-air installations and armoured hardware) under some lame excuse.

I really don't see anything here than a more or less desperate buying time. It's not that Syria have "won" anything, they just, for the moment, lose less than in an all-out war.

Posted by: peter radiator | Sep 14, 2013 9:50:34 AM | 62

Rowan @ 49,

Yes, I had seen that video at your website and her strong conviction is persuasive. It is also a sign that such a deal would demoralize the government's hard core supporters. And in light of the Kerry-Lavrov deal, I have to revise the optimism of my earlier comment.

Chemical weapons don't seem to be very efficient tactically and the political costs to using them are enormous, so I don't think they were ever a deterrent in that sense, BUT...I do recall Dempsey mentioning how it would take 75,000 ground troops to secure Syria's chemical weapons. So simply by existing, the chemical weapons were an obstacle to intervention, even if the SAA could never use them.

I also do not like the principle behind it, that Israel and the west can have all the WMD they want, but Arab/Muslim countries can't have even the simplest of them. I would not call this deal a disaster quite yet, but unless the US was forced to make some very concrete undisclosed concessions on arming the rebels, I'm not happy about it.

Posted by: Lysander | Sep 14, 2013 10:01:59 AM | 63

Uncle $,

Your link to “AIPAC Starts with Syria” was superb. The practical insights gleaned from Giraldi third paragraph would be worth their weight in gold if recognized by those trying to reign in the foreign influence in American politics, and is worth quoting here:
[my bold and
formatting]

...
This is how it works according to a congressional staffer: "First come the phone calls from

constituents
who are AIPAC members. They know the Congressman and are nice and friendly and just tell him, or whichever staffer the constituent knows, just how important this vote is to him and his friends back in the district. Then the

donors
call. The folks who have hosted fundraisers. They are usually not only from the district but from New York or LA or Chicago. They repeat the message: this vote is very important. Contrary to what you might expect, they do not mention campaign money. They don’t have to. Because these callers are people who only know the Congressman through their checks, the threat not to write any more of them is implicit. Like the constituents, the donors are using AIPAC talking points which are simple and forceful. You can argue with them but they keep going back to the script… Then there are the AIPAC

lobbyists,
the professional staffers. They come in, with or without appointments. If the Congressman is in, they expect to see him immediately. If not, they will see a staffer. If they don’t like what they hear, they will keep coming back. They are very aggressive, no other lobby comes close. They expect to see the Member, not mere staff. Then there are the

emails
driven by the AIPAC website…and then the ‘Dear Colleague’

letters
from Jewish House members saying how important the vote is for Israel and America. They also will buttonhole the Members on the House floor… And, truth be told, all the senior Jewish Members of the House are tight with AIPAC. Also, the two biggest AIPAC

enforcers,
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and his Democratic counterpart, Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer, are fierce AIPAC partisans, and they make sure to seek out Members on the floor to tell them how they must vote. On anything related to Israel, they speak in one voice: AIPAC’s.

Obviously,
there is no counterpart to this on the antiwar side.
No anti-AIPAC to speak of. AIPAC owns this issue. It gets what it wants."

Posted by: juannie | Sep 14, 2013 10:03:54 AM | 64

'An American friend who knows Washington well recently told us that “everybody” there knows that, as far as the drive to war with Syria is concerned, it is Israel that directs U.S. policy. Why then, we replied, don’t opponents of war say it out loud, since, if the American public knew that, support for the war would collapse? Of course, we knew the answer to that question. They are afraid to say all they know, because if you blame the pro-Israel lobby, you are branded an anti-Semite in the media and your career is destroyed.'
http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/09/no-more-war-for-israel/

Posted by: brian | Sep 14, 2013 10:09:15 AM | 65

Interviewer: Why did Syria agree to the Russian initiative which proposes handing over its chemical weapons to the international community? Why so rapidly?

President al-Assad: Over 10 years ago, Syria presented the UN with a proposal for a WMD-Free Middle East; this was because the region is turbulent and has been immersed in wars for decades. Thus removing unconventional weapons would be rational in order to enhance stability, at that particular time the U.S hindered the proposal.

Firstly, in principle we strive for peace and stability therefore we do not perceive the existence of WMD’s in the Middle East to have any positive effect. Secondly, in relation to current developments, Syria as a state genuinely seeks to avert another war of lunacy on itself and countries in the region, contrary to the efforts of warmongers in the U.S who seek to inflame a regional war. We continue to pay the price of U.S wars, be it in geographically distant Afghanistan or neighbouring Iraq. We believe that a war on Syria shall be destructive to the region and embroil it in a quagmire of instability for decades or generations to come. Thirdly, and most remarkably, what was most encouraging was the Russian initiative itself, without which we would not have been able to pursue this path.

Our relations with Russia are founded on trust which grew during the crisis throughout the last two and a half years. The fact that Russia has proven itself to have an insight into events in the region with high credibility as a reliable major power encouraged Syria to work towards signing the Chemical Weapons Convention.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-president-bashar-al-assad-interview-on-chemical-weapons/5349664

Posted by: brian | Sep 14, 2013 10:11:36 AM | 66

@40 "the china friendly nepalese monarchy has been toppled by a maoists government ......made in new delhi !"

Where is this coming from? It's not at globalresearch.

Posted by: ruralito | Sep 14, 2013 10:14:41 AM | 67

brian @ 62: "President al-Assad: Over 10 years ago, Syria presented the UN with a proposal for a WMD-Free Middle East;"

Like to think that's true, any links? I'd love to see that proposed again, it's the perfect time for it. I think we all know why it would be quickly shot down again.

Posted by: ben | Sep 14, 2013 10:28:43 AM | 68

P.S.- For that matter, how about a GLOBAL ban on these weapons? Oh, I forgot, only the US and its allies are allowed to have them.

Posted by: ben | Sep 14, 2013 10:33:19 AM | 69

Posted by: ben | Sep 14, 2013 10:28:43 AM | 64
far as i know it is true

links? i think you can do some reasearch

Posted by: brian | Sep 14, 2013 10:41:24 AM | 70

As for the recently reported distribution of Syria's chemical weapons to 50 cities, well, this seems to be the first source: Jerusalem Online I think this was taken and fixed to discredit Assad's statement regarding the CWC. Posted by: g_h | Sep 14, 2013 9:18:18 AM | 56
Sep 9 dateline on that. There were other stories in the english-language Israeli sites about the Ely Karmon 12-page 'report', but none of them picked out this 'Unit 450' business. Everyone refers to the 'report', but I cannot find it.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 14, 2013 10:58:18 AM | 71

I am still convinced that the deal on the chemical weapons is the right thing to do especially on the political front. It solidifies the position of the BRICS and their allies on the international stage.

Syrian Girl is right in that this deal is not ideal for Syria but then neither would be a US bombing campaign even given the most vigorous response by Syria and her allies. The fact is that countries, like people, have to act together in the face of such threats. What Syria may have lost as a country is repaid 100 times in political power for the anti imperialist bloc of which the Syrians have now shown themselves to be a, if not the key actor on whom the blocs existence revolves.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 14, 2013 10:58:22 AM | 72

Further on that 12-page Ely Karmon 'report', I find I had an article from the same day, Sep 9, on it from Ynet. It says:

By the 1980s, the report stated, the Syrian regime had begun storing chemical stockpiles in 50 different towns throughout the country.

So already we see that this is not a matter of claiming that 'Assad is dispersing them now to avoid detection', as it is being spun. As for 'Unit 450', Ynet doesn't mention it, but they do mention the parent organisation, the Syrian Scientific Studies and Research Center in Damascus, which they say predictably is 'under Assad's personal control'. At least they don't say it's entirely staffed by Alawis. God, I'm sick of this. Ynet's story anyway is here.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 14, 2013 11:05:42 AM | 73

guest77

Problem is that a strike wouldnt have happend since congress would have throwed the no vote. Now, a strike is more likely to occur.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 14, 2013 11:06:20 AM | 74

Google News is absolutely lousy with content from Radio Free Europe and Voice of America. This is pure US government propaganda. And this was common from well before the recent revisions to the laws now allowing these organizations to propagandize American citizens.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 14, 2013 11:08:13 AM | 75

A shame we must take most every main stream report on anything with a grain of salt. But it seems the war machine has taken a hit. What nasty thing will they try next to achieve their goals?

Posted by: therevolutionwas | Sep 14, 2013 11:09:53 AM | 76

Anonymous i wont waste my time with your imaginary assumptions that you can offer no reasoning for. You have in the past made statements supporting every kind of racist goon who just happens to support the American Empire. Including those with plans to destroy Syria. You are a fan of Navalny and of Morsi and the empire and as such of course your only interest is in concocting sham arguments against anything the forces fighting the empire might do no matter how principled or decent.

In fact, if i knew which israeli embassy you were currently in I would head down there and slap the ambassadors cock right out of your mouth.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 14, 2013 11:19:43 AM | 77

Wondering if the Real reason US has backed off war mongering, is a Russian threat to bomb Saudi Arabia if US attacks Syria.

Posted by: Andoheb | Sep 14, 2013 11:29:33 AM | 79

On the Syrian WMD ban, proposed in 2003:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p06s01-wome.html

Posted by: ben | Sep 14, 2013 11:31:51 AM | 80

@75,

The link gives me a trojan warning. Be careful.

Posted by: biklett | Sep 14, 2013 11:37:58 AM | 81

I meant @74

Posted by: biklett | Sep 14, 2013 11:39:10 AM | 82

guest77

Thats because you know so little about the issues we are dealing with here, then you become mad and direct that hate against me or anyone who take a different position from yourself. "SyrianGirl" understood this - this wasnt good for Syria, she admit this, you cant.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 14, 2013 11:45:03 AM | 83

http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/pol/truthaboutkatyn.html

Interesting examination of evidence surrounding the Katyn Massacre by an USAmerican professor.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 14, 2013 11:46:41 AM | 84

@79 you? Haha. Right. So you who we all watched support evey personality who would have Syria destroyed are suddenly a huge supporter of its survival? Piece of shit doesnt even begin to describe you or your ham handed attempts to cloak your real intentions.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 14, 2013 12:03:46 PM | 85

Biklett #77, I hardly think ICT Herzliya would let itself be hijacked by a trojan. In any case I have opened the link again and it's fine for me. It's the html introductory page to the famous 12-page report by Ely Karmon, to which the various other stories about Syrian CW refer. The actual report is a 12-page pdf that links from the bottom of the page I linked. In its first footnote, it refers to another ICT report, a 24-page pdf from last month. But neither of them mentions 'Unit 450'. The Sep 8 one by Karmon makes no reference to any sudden move to disperse the CW to hide it from inspectors. So what this means is that the WSJ story which introduced us to the mysterious 'Unit 450' and its crash dispersal program is all new disinfo. Just to go back to square one, the WSJ story is here and I discussed it in comment #14. The contradiction is as follows. WSJ says:

Beginning about a year ago, the Syrians started dispersing the arsenal to nearly two dozen major sites. Unit 450 also started using dozens of smaller sites. The US now believes Assad's chemical arsenal has been scattered to as many as 50 locations, officials said.

However, in its summary of the Ely Karmon paper, Ynet said, as I quoted in comment #69:
By the 1980s, the report stated, the Syrian regime had begun storing chemical stockpiles in 50 different towns throughout the country.

So the magic number of 50 locations has been torn out of context and twisted by WSJ to suggest new, current, evasive moves to hide the CW.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 14, 2013 12:03:50 PM | 86

On second thoughts: it's yom kippur there, so even ICT Herzliya might have been plastered with something and not react at once. I wouldn't see it if it's a Windows trojan, because I use Ubuntu, not Windows.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 14, 2013 12:14:19 PM | 87

guest77

Yes. Take this for example, this is the egyptian regime you give your support to:

Ties between Israel and Egypt only getting stronger,
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.545682

It shows that you dont really grasp whats going on in the region.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 14, 2013 12:25:25 PM | 88

@ Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 14, 2013 12:03:50 PM | 82

I hardly think ICT Herzliya would let itself be hijacked by a trojan. In any case I have opened the link again and it's fine for me.

and then you go on to say @ Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 14, 2013 12:14:19 PM | 83

I wouldn't see it if it's a Windows trojan, because I use Ubuntu, not Windows.

Biklett deserves thanks for warning us rather than knee-jerk condescension from somebody who runs a non-standard O/S. Moreover Biklett is correct - every page on that site generates a warning from several malware detection packages.


Incidentally "I hardly think ICT Herzliya would let itself be hijacked by a trojan" is an example of 'appeal to authority' rather than a valid argument.

Dubhaltach

Posted by: Dubhaltach | Sep 14, 2013 12:39:40 PM | 89

And calling Ubuntu 'non-standard' is appeal to authority of a singularly stupid sort.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 14, 2013 1:08:03 PM | 90

I was just listening to some so called experts who claim it was Bashars plan all along to let the extremists take over the opposition. I wonder, was it Bashar that brought alqueda to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Sinai?

Posted by: hilmi hakim | Sep 14, 2013 1:09:21 PM | 91

ruralito 63
*Where is this coming from? It's not at globalresearch.*

its old news, nepal was taken over by fukusi sponsored maoists way back in 2007
i posted this many times before in moa.

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/76-264.aspx#startofcomments

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.sg/2011/11/nepal-overrun-by-maoists-now-corporate.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KD28Df03.html

adding insult to injury
china not only lost another ally, it got blamed for the regime change as well
to many clueless indians n fukusans netizens , maoists means china, a no brainer.

Posted by: denk | Sep 14, 2013 1:21:15 PM | 92

Veterans today is absolutely full of shit. I would never believe anything I saw there.

Don't know, the part about Eric Harroun seems pretty plausible.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 14, 2013 1:29:33 PM | 93

@ Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 14, 2013 1:08:03 PM | 86

Ubuntu is a Linux distro based on Debian and the Linux kernel. Its share of the O/S market is very small compared to Windows or the Apple operating systems - thus non-standard. Try getting your facts right next time.

Incidentally I run several Linux machines with various distros including one using Ubuntu and I'd never dream of behaving in the pig-ignorant way in which you responded to Biklett's warning. People who behave in the way you did are a major hindrance to the efforts of the rest of us who advocate Linux. You might also want revisit your understanding of what 'an appeal to authority' means as it's more than somewhat defective.

Dubhaltach

Posted by: Dubhaltach | Sep 14, 2013 1:37:23 PM | 94

Syrian Girl is arguing against the compromise from an honest position. She wants best for her country and hates to see even the slightest bending. This is to be expected in any debate among partisans over any compromise. This is honest disagreement, but even Syrian Girl must certainly admit that it is the Syrian government who risks their lives like every other Syrian, who has weighed the options and found this to be the least worst of the available ones.

Then there are those like Anonymous, long arguing for the destruction of Syria, who now argues against the compromise from a dishonest position. Like a cockroach seeking to poke its diseased body into any crevice it can find, he would argue against any move whatsoever so long as the argument serves to break trust between partners in the struggle against imperialism. It is the lowest form of dishonesty to pretend to pose as the ally of someone making an honest argument when your purpose is in fact their final destruction. This is a move completely devoid of any principle or humanity. This is what we have come to expect of Anonymous in his support for those who would tear Russia, Syria and Egypt to pieces along sectarian lines all to the final benefit of the USA and Israel.

We know two things about the Egypt coup and the compromise in Syria. In the first case, we do not see large numbers of poor Egyptians now headed towards Syria with sectarian slaughter as their aim under the auspices of the Egyptian government. In the second we do not see American bombs falling on Syria. Past this, we know little. We can pretend to see into the future - that Syria will be weaker for losing its chemicals, that Egypt will never again move towards popular government, but these are simple guesses. All such guesses are generated in the mind with a certain slant based on the authors desires and drives and those desires and drives must be accounted for when examining such predictions. Anonymous' motives for seeing this bold compromise as the seeds of Syria's destruction are, to say the least, highly suspect. If we take his word it would be to take it as someone who has repeatedly showered the empires puppets with praise over those who have sacrificed for Syria with their own blood. We take it over those who have carried the weight of two years of war on their shoulders. That would be to take the word of a dishonest idiot over the word of genuine heroes. Who would do this?

The way I see it - from far away - is that for the Syrians not to have followed the Russians in this would have risked a massive bombing campaign by the United States. It is fine to say now, like Anonymous does, that the Congress may have said "no" and Obama would have gone quietly into the night... but have you ever known this brutal empire to do that? Would you bet your life and the life of your country on the good will, morality, and commitment to democracy of the United States Congress? Fat chance.

So then the bombing comes. Even under the strongest retaliation, even with the outbreak of World War 3 for the sake of Syria, we'd have seen more Syrians dead and more of the country destroyed. In the worst case, we'd even have seen the rebels continue their reign of terror from the President's office in Damascus. This, we know for certain as of this moment, has not happened. Just like those who believe that a Syria of Christians, Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds fighting together is stronger than a country fragmented into pieces, so we now have to trust that the combination of Russia, China, Syria, and Iran is more powerful than Syria fighting alone. What else is there to do when faced with destruction except rely on friends, fight like hell, and hope for the best? Not much.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 14, 2013 1:39:05 PM | 95

guest77

The problem is that what this girl understand the situation compared to you, thats why you support this deal while she is not.
As I just showed you you support the egytpian regime that strengthens its tie to Israel.

Now:
>Hamas is against the egyptian regime
>Iran is against the egyptian regime
>Hezbollah is against the egyptian regime
etcetera

So apparently you say you are anti-israel, anti-american, but as we can see you end up supporting them and that is because you dont grasp the region.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 14, 2013 2:27:36 PM | 96

It's going to be very entertaining watching the rebels attacking the OPCW teams and blaming the government army for it.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 14, 2013 2:40:41 PM | 97

The problem, Anonymous, is that you must simply be the last person on the planet who is blockheaded enough to maintain that support for the ejection of Morsi is the same as an endorsement of the Egyptian army butchers.

You haven't convinced anyone of anything except your own dishonesty.

As for your pretending to be on the side of the Syrian people having supported each of their foes - with friends like you, there are no need for enemies.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 14, 2013 2:45:59 PM | 98

@92
Depends which "maoists" you're talking about.

Last Updated: Thursday, May 30, 2013, 17:32 Kathmandu: "Shocked" by the recent Naxal attack in Chattisgarh, Maoist chief Prachanda and Nepali Congress president Sushil Koirala have sent condolence messages to Sonia Gandhi over the ambush in which 27 people, including senior Congress leaders, were killed.

"Our party UCPN-Maoist is deeply shocked and saddened by the demise of leaders and workers of the Indian National Congress in the recent attack in Chattisgarh of India unleashed by Indian Maoists," UCPN-Maoist chairman Prachanda said in a statement.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/south-asia/prachanda-koirala-express-grief-over-naxal-attack_851827.html

Posted by: ruralito | Sep 14, 2013 2:46:48 PM | 99

guest77


that support for the ejection of Morsi is the same as an endorsement of the Egyptian army butchers.

Thats another problem, you have. But now I see you try to distance yourself from these views, thus you admit you were wrong. Thats good progress but a bit too late.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 14, 2013 4:03:03 PM | 100

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