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August 28, 2013

Syria: The "Most Popular" List

The current Most Popular list on ForeignPolicy.com is quite revealing:

Note especially No. 4.

Whoever has the illusion that this will end with now seemingly imminent "limited strikes" needs to consult a psychiatrist.

(h/t billmon)

Posted by b on August 28, 2013 at 12:52 AM | Permalink

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$4 is a reference to another Iraq: Bill Clinton's excellent bombing adventures in Iraq that nobody remembers. The author is a partisan hack: if a Democrat starts a global genocide, he'd be gleefully screaming how wonderfully justified it is.

This sort of nonsense makes me sick.

Posted by: a different anon | Aug 28, 2013 12:58:34 AM | 1

1) The striking thing is that they are proud on "repeating" stuff, meaning they did not learn.
Presumably other actors did learn.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 28, 2013 1:09:38 AM | 2

well, the proof does not really sound like proof and might actually prove just the contrary.

Fact is that this is coming out, and the UN inspections are allowed to run.

So there is some sensible push back in the American system.

And I think Iran and Syria made it clear that they will fight, not hold still.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 28, 2013 1:25:48 AM | 3

The Israeli claim about "intercepted calls about CW" is bogus, It is however difficult to say whether it was the Israelis or the FSA in Syria who provided the falsified information.

This FSA video might provide part of the answer:
أورينت نيوز..الثوار يحررون مبنى الاتصالات في القابون (Orient News .. rebels liberate a telecommunications building in Kaboun) – TelevisionOrient, Aug 20, 2013

Qaboun is the site of a large military complex, including the headquarters of the SAA Special Forces. Rebel videos show that rockets with chemical warheads were fired from the parking lot of the Special Forces HQ towards Eastern Ghouta at around 3 am on August 21.

See Alleged Chemical Attack, August 21, 2013 – Qaboun rocket lauches

It seems most of Qaboun has been in rebel control from at least June 2013. Using the military facilities there to launch chemical weapons and make incriminating phone calls would constitute the perfect false flag operation.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 28, 2013 1:38:24 AM | 4

From Pepe Escobar on Facebook:

BREAKING NOW.

VERY interesting. According to Egyptian TV, Pinochet Sisi - the House of Saud protege - is NOT allowing US and UK warships to pass through the Suez Canal; they will, obviously, attack Syria. Cairo is AGAINST Obama's Tomahawk war.

Allain Jules reports on this already.
ALERTE INFO. Syrie : Le général Abdel Fattah al-Sissi ferme le Canal de Suez et dit NON aux Ricains

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 28, 2013 2:12:13 AM | 5

Why do I smell BS here..So the US gives Syria the date/time they'll be attacking. If this isn't a massive psychological warfare BS, I don't know what is..

Lets look at all the Western actors involved. What do they all have in common??? They're all involved in the NSA fiasco. Someone needed a massive public distraction and a war is always a preferred option for these psychos.

The danger here is that, someone may/might panic and actually shoot - then all hell will break loose. The US is hoping that Syria just fold and roll over under their threats. But Syria's backers have also issued threats warning the US not to get involved. I haven't seen the Russian been so vociferous against the US in any US led campaign. I hope O-bomber takes the warning.

Posted by: Zico | Aug 28, 2013 2:22:06 AM | 6

Like we all knew, the Israeli made recording is the biggest "evidence".

As Toivos/Richard Silverstein made clear here
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/08/at-a-complete-loss.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01901f086e67970b

And its not the first time Israel provide audio recordins and then it have been doctored with..
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/08/at-a-complete-loss.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef0192acc7a904970d

Rather this proves nothing.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 2:34:41 AM | 7

Petri @5 It just doesn't make sense, as I wrote on Pepe's wall, why would Bandar Bush allow Sisi to stop UK/US warships from transiting the Suez, when Bandar wants to see Assad gone...?

Posted by: CTuttle | Aug 28, 2013 2:36:40 AM | 8

#4

that's interesting. I can imagine what the evidence that the warmongering PR guys are going to present will look like. Video recordings of the rockets being fired from special unit barracks. And it's probably going to work out, too :-(

#6

I was thinking that this might be just a massive campaign to see who will jump ship now. Many a propaganda comment in the comment sections aims at this ("Assads family fled" etc.). But on the other hand, why make so much noise and not bomb something, too. No one can do anything about it anyway.

Posted by: peter radiator | Aug 28, 2013 2:40:09 AM | 9

Actually if true, which nothing points at, it actually exclude the Syrian army since they on the recording apparently ask 'who did this!'.
Thus its not sanctioned by either Assad nor by the military command.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 2:56:07 AM | 10

6) Agree, the assumption is Assad will fold. They are talking themselves into such a corner though that they will have to act if he does not fold.

I guess this is about having some rebels left in the country when "negotiations" start. So the UN investigators are used as a second track - cease fire whilst they are investigating.

A lot is going on behind the scenes. Syrians, Russians, Hezbollah must have some knowledge/prove of what was going on in the attack.

It is clear there is a US/Russian agreement on Syria. It is also clear the Obama administration has been trying to coopt Iran. Maybe Saudi and Israel are freaking out about the possibility of a US/Iranian agreement. Whatever they do for the US it is lose lose.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 28, 2013 2:57:29 AM | 11

#11

what would an american/iranian agreement look like? "Hey, it's only the installment of your worst religious enemy next door. We will stop after that. In return, we offer to take away 10 of the 500 trade sanctions. Really. Really! Trust us!"

Posted by: peter radiator | Aug 28, 2013 3:02:26 AM | 12

It was good that Zeroehdge had an article reminding the Wikileaks cable released on Syria where most of what was planned is exposed. To see the bigger picture, one should remember that is expressely stated that it was after the withdrawal from Iraq that this would be the next step to take.
Then, they should certainly also give the cables from the Gulf discussing Iran. This was probably the main reason behind what we see and the reluctance for Syria, Russia or Iran to publish the evidence. After the Gulf was caught red hand telling the zusa that its main enemy was Iran, it became impossible to organize fake Hamas/Plo reconciliations gathering in Mekka, or have a few ministerials meetings with the Iranians one in a while to brainwash the umma into the existence of an.. umma.
To get the MB away from the road to Damascus was probably urged by the fact no one wanted to see one million djihadists boasting on FB about how many Christians they had killed. They have enough with the videos showing European djihadists, or Libyan and Tunisian boasting of atrocities. The end of the MB is a good news for people on the ground, women who were afraid of going out, people fed up of kidnappings and mob lynchings, and the elite having no option but emigration because they were witnessing their country falling down. The Saudis badly need the Egyptian immigrants to work twice as much as they will ever be able to, and that's another reason KSA there are common interests between the two.
Angry Arab has these yesterday:
http://angryarab.net/2013/08/27/egyptian-tamarud-movement-on-possible-us-attack-on-syria/
http://angryarab.net/2013/08/27/this-is-the-clearest-and-most-honest-expression-of-american-goals-that-the-us-aims-at-prolonging-the-syrian-civil-war/
http://angryarab.net/2013/08/27/sixty-six-former-u-s-government-officials-and-foreign-policy-experts-sent-a-letter-to-obama-urging-war-on-syria/
http://angryarab.net/2013/08/27/flash-msf-doctors-without-borders-as-a-tool-of-us-foreign-policy/
What it all say is that US, and now UK/France, are so bankrupt that they just take their orders from the Gulf (among others).

Posted by: Mina | Aug 28, 2013 3:20:54 AM | 13

On CW, a reader from the Angry Arab blog has this suggestion
http://angryarab.net/2013/08/27/thermobaric-bombs/

Why can't anyone ask the current president of Yemen, and former vice-president of Ali Abdallah Saleh, who used exactly the same products (if I judge from the effects on the victims) in March 2011?
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/03/09/doctors-yemen-used-nerve-gas-against-protesters/
http://www.islamist.com/index.php/archived-articles/642-p205844-breaking-nerve-gas-used-in-yemen.htm
(contains a video)
http://www.alsahwa-yemen.net/arabic/subjects/5/2011/3/10/7827.htm
(lawyer talking about taking it to international courts... why did he change his mind?)
http://thirteenthmonkey.blogspot.fr/2011/03/prince-yemen-and-nerve-gas.html
(possible answer to the former question)
videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtP_rSmnmNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys0LKS9q8Ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gloiIU93i_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jBazIpSc2I

Posted by: Mina | Aug 28, 2013 3:32:06 AM | 14

12) Gulf Prince Plays Deadly Regional Game

Subsequently, making any move at this time would be of little use. The matter is settled, and any additional effort would be wasting energy or even causing meaningless losses. This may help explain why all parties at home have been immobile, and why they have been attempting to compensate for their powerlessness by intensifying their language.

But in contrast to this political stalemate, there is movement with “iron and fire,” which is the subject of the second message written with the blood spilled in the bombings. Though in principle a US-Russian agreement on Syria has been reached, the parts of the settlement in question are moving in two different speeds, and between the two, the details of the final solution are crystallizing.

This settlement will be consensual, ranging from a minimum form that follows the Lebanese “confessional” system, and a maximum form that follows Iraq’s federal system. Both models are present in Syria’s vicinity; the choice will be easy, and no one is in hurry yet to implement the solution.

To be sure, Israel is reassured by the protracted negative “draw” in Syria, as the last remaining strong Arab entity on its border is being destroyed.

There, Assad is being exhausted without al-Nusra Front winning. There, Hezbollah is being implicated without Iran prevailing. Everyone is being exhausted in Syria, without losing a single Israeli or Western soldier, as had been case in the previous wars.

But an agreement is now a fait accompli. And just like it has two options to choose from – Beirut or Baghdad’s constitutional models – it also has two political red lines.

It was Michael Morell, deputy director of the CIA, who identified the first red line on August 7, saying that an al-Qaeda takeover of Syria would be the “biggest threat to US national security.”

Then, in a written letter to Congress on August 21, Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, set the second red line. He wrote that the armed groups in Syria would not back US interests if they took power, and that any US military operation in Syria “would leave the US mired in another Middle Eastern war and offer little chance of peace in a country wracked by ethnic divisions.”

Everyone is being exhausted in Syria, without losing a single Israeli or Western soldier, as had been case in the previous wars.
Against this backdrop, a certain ambitious prince from the Gulf came and proposed another deal to Washington. He said: Give me a grace period with a limited timeframe but a specific goal. I take it upon myself to topple both Assad and Hezbollah. If I succeed, you can reap the rewards without a cost. If I fail, I would still have managed to weaken Damascus and Dahiyeh, even if slightly, and then you can return to your agreement with the Russians, under the same balance of power, at the very worst.

The Americans studied the offer well. They found it very logical. It would cost them nothing. Its political worth was reasonable and had an equal chance for success or failure.

A green light was thus given. The international referee delayed the final whistle, and the bench player that recently went into the field was given overtime.

Presumably the Syrian army has been winning too much recently.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 28, 2013 3:35:23 AM | 15

Oh F*ck, here we go again... Activists: Assad bombs Damascus in renewed chemical attack, injuring 20

Posted by: CTuttle | Aug 28, 2013 4:29:47 AM | 16

I don't know if you've seen this piece on 4th Media:

The New York Times Attempts to Bolster John Kerry’s Baseless Claim That the Syrian Government Used Chemical Weapons on Their Own People

But the NYT inadvertently shows the location of the rocket launch as inside rebel-controlled territory.

Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28, 2013 4:41:50 AM | 17

@ 12

well , now that these so called reformist are in power , this would happen ... they have a blind love for west ... their only problem is our supreme leader and Osoul Garayan political side ...


Posted by: R.P | Aug 28, 2013 4:50:51 AM | 18

evidence of who did th CW attacks and yes its the insurgents
jamse corbett interviews activist in syria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXLeND1NURI&feature=youtu.be

theyve out the whole thing behind a subscribers waLL TO http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/08/27/bfp-syria-report-satellite-imagery-proves-syrian-chemical-weapons-attack-staged-by-rebels/

Posted by: brian | Aug 28, 2013 5:18:59 AM | 19

ful podcast
27 Aug 2013
Interview 730 – Ayssar Midani on the Syrian Chemical Weapons Hoax

Posted by Corbett http://www.corbettreport.com/?powerpress_pinw=7862-podcast

Ayssar Midani, a French Syrian citizen and political activist, joins us from Damascus to talk about the latest developments in Syria. We talk about the history of the terrorist jihadi insurgency in the country and their prior use of chemical weapons, the latest attack and claims of satellite evidence proving that the attack was not launched by government officials, and the likely consequences of a US-led strike on the country.

http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-730-ayssar-midani-on-the-syrian-c...

Posted by: brian | Aug 28, 2013 5:40:26 AM | 20

19) yep, she describes the narrative of the Syrian government, and talks of the satellite photos Russia supplied, you can google Ayssar Midani on the internet - she is no opposition activist.

Neither the US nor Russia have published their "proof".

However, what Ayssar Midani/the Syrian government tell sounds plausible: Al Nusrah was caught in Turkey in posession of chemical materials or according to Today's Zaman with Sarin

Seven members of Syria's militant al-Nusra group were detained on Wednesday after police found sarin gas, which was reportedly going to be used in a bomb attack, during a search of the suspects' homes, Turkish media have reported.

Newspapers claimed on Thursday that two kilograms of sarin gas, which is usually used for making bombs and was banned by the UN in 1991, had been found in the homes of suspects detained in the southern provinces of Adana and Mersin. Twelve suspects were caught by the police on Monday. The reports claimed that the al-Nusra members had been planning a bomb attack for Thursday in Adana but that the attack was averted when the police caught the suspects. Along with the sarin gas, the police seized a number of handguns, grenades, bullets and documents during their search. Five of the suspects were released later on Thursday.

But the US/Britain are going to war on dubious Israeli intercepts. Western media is a joke.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 28, 2013 5:48:53 AM | 21

@#20:
Yes, it confirms Pepe Escobar's report and yes it's a drag that Boiling Frogs have put the whole thing behind a paywall. What I want to see is the Russian data, photos, etc. I really do think that this false flag operation could really blow up in the Empire's face, if we get all the facts together and make as big a play of it as we can. It explain so much about the insane drive for war, commit another war crime to cover up a war crime.

Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28, 2013 5:51:00 AM | 22

James Corbett interviews Ayssar Midani, Aug 27 (28 mins): This is out from behind the paywall, and I’ve watched it now. It isn’t on YouTube yet. But in fact it does not contain anything radically new. She names the local Jabhat al-Nusra commander, Sheikh Zahran Abdullah Alloush, as having ordered the firing of the two rockets with chemical warheads. In fact, Alloush is the commander of the Liwa al-Islam Brigade, based in Duma. He is a well-known and documented figure. She says the satellite imagery actually shows the rockets being fired, travelling and reaching their targets, and that it has been given by Vitaly Churkin to the UNSC. She does not say whether satellite telephone communications from or to Alloush substantiating the claim were intercepted. The video evidence (and audio evidence, if there is any) has not been released publicly, and this is a typically Russian authoritarian mistake. They will not comprehend the fact that the world public has to be treated as an equal interlocutor in emergencies, not an object to be manipulated by competing rulers. There is nothing else of importance in this video, though of course it is all very interesting.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 28, 2013 5:52:43 AM | 23

Sickos in the UK government really think anyone would accept their proposed resolution, just take this quote:

UK will put resolution to the UN Security Council "authorising necessary measures to protect civilians"
http://inagist.com/all/372656137101148160/

Yeah just like Libya UK will keep pounding til Assad is dead.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 5:57:00 AM | 24

well , it is simple , USA find an opportunity to finish of one of the remaining countries who standing against his NEW WORLD ORDER .... so he will use it ... they won't loss this opportunity ....

Russia won't do anything , he stalled USA and his western puppets till now to get the price of leaving Syria alone ... till now , USA didn't pay the price , so Russia still support Syria , but IMO , they will leave it alone with VAMPIRES ....

and about world opinion !? fuc it ... westerns have medias and they will use it to brainwashing people ( well , the remaining ones who are not braindead , yet ... )

the plane is simple , and that why it is effective .... without the means you can't stop it ....

and about Iran , well , we are best when come to betting on loser horse ... and we will do it again ( well , and I actually support this decision .... )

Posted by: R.P | Aug 28, 2013 6:04:45 AM | 25

Stratfor is hedging its bets and in no uncertain terms. This from their email shot:

Stratfor's job is to analyze the world as objectively as possible, and the situation in Syria is among the most difficult we have seen. The problem is we really don't know what happened. The general consensus is Syrian President Bashar Assad ordered the use of chemical weapons against his enemies. The problem is trying to figure out why he would do it. He was not losing the civil war. In fact, he had achieved some limited military success recently. He knew that U.S. President Obama had said the use of chemical weapons would cross a red line. Yet Assad did it.

Or did he? Could the rebels have staged the attack in order to draw in an attack on al-Assad? Could the pictures have been faked? Could a third party, hoping to bog the United States down in another war, have done it? The answers to these questions are important, because they guide the U.S. and its allies’ response. The official explanation could be absolutely true–or not.

I think it reveals a very deep divide in the US elite over the best course of action to take. The false flag gas attack looks like it's unravelling at a fast rate of knots. It's imperative to get out as much info as possible! Damn the Russians and their authoritarian actions.

Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28, 2013 6:58:57 AM | 26

Even if actor x used chemical weapons what right does US have to attack Syria? None its just a made up rule by the US. Obama killed 1000s with drones, does that mean rest of the world could attack the US?

Besides Syria havent adhered to the convention forbidding use of these weapons anyway.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 7:07:53 AM | 27

26) yep, sounds like some are stepping back from the bring

UN Syria envoy: UN resolution necessary to make military action lawful

Speaking in Geneva just a few minutes ago the UN's Syrian envoy Lakhdar Brahimi has just made two interesting remarks.

Firstly, he said "it does seem likely some substance was used" during the attack which killed scores of civillians last week in the suburbs of Damascus.

He also said that international law was clear and a UN decision will be needed for military action if it is to be regarded as legal.


Posted by: somebody | Aug 28, 2013 7:14:39 AM | 28

The "evidence" come from Israel, the same regime that fabricated that Iraq had WMD.

Israeli intelligence 'intercepted Syrian regime talk about chemical attack'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/28/israeli-intelligence-intercepted-syria-chemical-talk

Actually the "evidence" points away from the government.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 7:17:58 AM | 29

@#29

There's absolutely nothing in the Guardian report that substantiates a damn thing! This is the closest it gets to providing 'evidence':

The 8200 unit of the Israeli Defence Forces, which specialises in electronic surveillance, intercepted a conversation between Syrian officials regarding the use of chemical weapons, an unnamed former Mossad official told Focus. The content of the conversation was relayed to the US, the ex-official said. 'Israeli intelligence 'intercepted Syrian regime talk about chemical attack'

Put this together with the fact that the US tried to get the UNSC to halt the investigation and the Russian satellite data and other sources mentioned here, and we can see the plot unraveling.

Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28, 2013 7:26:09 AM | 30

@22 this writer has details
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Alleged_Chemical_Attack,_August_21,_2013

Wikimapia says the launch site is the parking lot of the Headquarters of the special forces (Damascus). This absolutely, without any doubt proves Assad did it!!! (Or then this is all a part of a deliberate, well planned false flag operation.)

Maps published by the pro-Assad blogger Syrian Perspective however show that Special Forces HQ was in FSA / al-Nusra hands on August 16 – or the very least, highly contested. In fact this other Qaboun CC video shows the SAA shelling the area, including mosque, just south of the parking lot with heavy artillery in August 24. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:03, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Posted by: bangkokian | Aug 28, 2013 7:26:29 AM | 31

Wikimapia says the launch site is the parking lot of the Headquarters of the special forces (Damascus).
The parking lot???!? Puh leeze...

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 28, 2013 7:33:03 AM | 32

William Bowles

You are correct, it proves nothing. And why would rep. for the syrian gov. scream in the radio "WHO DID!?" if the syrian gov. is behind it as west lyingly says? Obviously the gov. is NOT behind this.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 7:41:27 AM | 33

The SNC seems to have an inexorable penchant for exaggeration:

At least five poison gas rockets were fired, according to the SNC, four landing in the Eastern Ghouta and one in Moadamiya. UAE National

James Corbett's interviewee nailed it down at just two.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 28, 2013 7:53:35 AM | 34

Hah, even Fox own expert commentators are as doubting as we are here. Must see video below.

http://www.dailypaul.com/297172/warmonger-bill-oreilly-argues-with-two-military-expertsand-loses

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 8:20:32 AM | 35

The narrative is shifting towards UNSC resolution.. Now, pay attention folks, this is where Obama climbs down and conveniently blames Putin for allowing the massacre of "activists" bla bla bla...Expect a massive propaganda campaign against Russia from next week onwards.

However, if they choose to go ahead without a UN mandate, expect the entire region to be set on fire... This idea that they can only launch limited strikes and somehow everything will be back to normal is just a show of how demented and out of touch the psychopath pushing for this war are.

Posted by: Zico | Aug 28, 2013 9:03:24 AM | 36

That limited strike sounds like: "Ok guys, the pain will be short and sweet. So you wont retaliate, don't you?

Posted by: Gregg | Aug 28, 2013 9:22:24 AM | 37

@#16

There's nothing in the JPost article about another gas attack.

Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28, 2013 9:22:51 AM | 38

35) they are pretty good actually
"Would you rather be killed by poison gas or tortured by Al Qeida?"

Posted by: somebody | Aug 28, 2013 9:29:45 AM | 39

Former United Nations Criminal Court prosecutor Carla del Ponte (no friend of mine, yet notable as a person with the eye of a criminal prosecutor, from her Yugoslavia exploits) is saying her reading of the evidence leads her to believe that it was the rebel paramilitaries who used chemical weapons in Al-Ghouta on 21 Aug 2013 and that the chemical was sarin. http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c53/855575.html , http://de.ria.ru/politics/20130828/266754176.html , http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/syrian-chemical-weapons-attack-carried-out-by-rebels-says-un/

On 6 May 2013, Carla del Ponte concluded that there was a chemical weapons attack in Syria in April 2013, and that the April 2013 attack was probably carried out by the rebels, and the chemical agent was sarin -- ref, ref. Thus it's a bit easier for Carla del Ponte to have serious suspicions that the August attack in Al-Ghouta was done by the rebels too.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 28, 2013 9:33:15 AM | 40

Quote from somewhere on the Internet: "Sellstrom and the UN chemical weapons investigators in Syria cannot explicitly determine whether the Assad regime or the rebels conducted the attack, but can release information that would strongly implicate one party or the other, allowing U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to make the actual accusation."

I hope that sentence means the investigation team has the authority to release all details of their findings. Last year when Robert Mood's team in Syria was sending daily reports to UN headquarters showing criminal conduct by rebels, UN headquarters was not releasing the reports, and Robert Mood's team itself didn't have the authority to release the reports. Just before the bombing of Serbia|Kosovo in 1999, there was a deliberate non-release of pertinent information gathered by Western technical investigators on the ground in Kosovo -- the investigators didn't have the authority release their report, and the report ran contrary to the narrative justifying the bombing, and a political decision was made to not release. In the run-up to the bombing of Iraq, the Hans Blix investigators in Iraq weren't given the chance to complete their investigation of the "weapons of mass destruction" allegation. In Syria this time, if the UN investigators do get the chance to complete their investigation of the scene of the crime, I'll be watching out for the potential for non-release by UN headquarters of the detailed information that was gathered.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 28, 2013 9:35:44 AM | 41

Sisi closes the suze canal against american warships headed for syria

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023548043

Posted by: skybox | Aug 28, 2013 9:44:00 AM | 42

David Cameron, 27 Aug 2013, on the evidence of who used chemical weapons in Al-Ghouta: "There is never 100% certainty, there’s never one piece or several pieces of intelligence that can give you absolute certainty." (ref)

I'm not a cynic, and so I think that if Cameron and Obama go ahead and bomb Syria without waiting for the report of the UN investigators on the ground, they are dumb and rash.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 28, 2013 9:50:18 AM | 43

Anonymous@ #33:

Where did you get the ref about the conversation that allegedly took place AFTER the attack? I've been scouring the Web and the most I've found is in the Times of Israel report. Here's the relevant bit:

Israeli military intelligence has reportedly played a key role in providing evidence of Assad’s chemical weapons use. On Friday, Israel’s Channel 2 reported that the weapons were fired by the 155th Brigade of the 4th Armored Division of the Syrian Army, a division under the command of the Syrian president’s brother, Maher Assad. The nerve gas shells were fired from a military base in a mountain range to the west of Damascus, the TV report said.

The report did not state the source of its information. But subsequently, Germany’s Focus magazine reported that an IDF intelligence unit was listening in on senior Syrian officials when they discussed the chemical attack. According to the Focus report Saturday, a squad specializing in wire-tapping within the IDF’s prestigious 8200 intelligence unit intercepted a conversation between high-ranking regime officials regarding the use of chemical agents at the time of the attack. The report, which cited an ex-Mossad official who insisted on remaining anonymous, said the intercepted conversation proved that Assad’s regime was responsible for the use of nonconventional weapons. - 'Israeli intelligence seen as central to US case against Syria'

It's all too convenient and we had wait almost a week before this emerged.

Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28, 2013 9:54:19 AM | 44

US Vice President Joe Biden has declared yesterday: "There is no doubt who was responsible for this heinous use of chemical weapons in Syria: the Syrian regime".

I'm not a cynic, and so I think that he really thinks he has no doubt.

I never ascribe to malfeasance what can be explained by stupidity.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 28, 2013 9:58:31 AM | 45

William Bowles

I dont know who, I saw it on http://www.richardsilverstein.com but he too refer to the german source.

Its not the first time Israel have used fake recordings either..

IDF admits doctoring audio of raid on Gaza flotilla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YWoiIO4woY

Israel Military Admits It Doctored Gaza Freedom Flotilla Audio Clip
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-military-admits-it-doctored-gaza-freedom-flotilla-audio-clip/19646

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 10:04:11 AM | 46

Adults will soon take over the situation.

NBCNews
UN Security Council to get draft resolution on Syria within hours

A draft resolution authorizing “necessary measures” in Syria will be presented to the U.N. Security Council within hours, British Prime Minister David Cameron announced Wednesday.

The move came as the U.S. and its allies lay the diplomatic groundwork for military strikes, which officials in Washington said could begin as early as Thursday night.

"Britain has drafted a resolution condemning the chemical weapons attack by President Bashar Assad and authorizing necessary measures to protect civilians," Cameron said on his official Twitter feed.

It sets the scene for a diplomatic showdown with Russia - a key suppliers of weapons to Assad's regime - and China, which has a veto on the Council and is opposed to military strikes.

"We've always said we want the UN Security Council to live up to its responsibilities on Syria. Today they have an opportunity to do that," Cameron added.

However, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said inspectors should be given time to determine whether Assad used poison gas against civilians.

"It is essential to establish the facts. The team needs time to do its job," he said in The Hague on Wednesday.


The US has lost control of Ban -- that's key.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 10:11:21 AM | 47

I haven't seen any other references to Egypt closing the Suez Canal to US/UK warships. At least Al Ahram English makes no mention though it states clearly that the Egyptian military government is very much against any foreign intervention and the Egyptian press seems to have turned very pro Assad and very pro SAA in recent weeks.

An Al Qaida victory in Syria would be quite disastrous for the Egyptian military government, so interests diverge between Egypt and KSA.

Also according to Zeynobia of Egyptian Chronicles there is chatter that the defected former friend of Bashar Manaf Tlass will be KSA's choice for puppet leader. I guess that's meant to reassure concerned parties that Al Qaida would not rule Syria. I wonder if that was mentioned by Bandar in Moscow.

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 28, 2013 10:15:39 AM | 48

I am getting a bit worried that Russia/China wouldnt use their veto but actually just abstain from voting just like Libya resolution.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 10:17:10 AM | 49

Russia/China learned from Libya. Once bitten, twice shy.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 10:20:42 AM | 50

Plus Russia has interests now, plus motivation to hurt the US, and other evidence apparently.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 10:22:22 AM | 51

Tip of the hat to brian @ 19&20. Thanks for the links. Opposition and evidence is building pointing to the "rebels", hope it works.

Posted by: ben | Aug 28, 2013 10:29:55 AM | 52

While you never can be sure, Russia has every incentive to block any anti-Syrian UNSC resolution. Russian domestic opinion, rise of Jihadists, US/NATO expansionism, the embarrassment of appearing to abandon an ally, and the near certainty that any intervention will go wrong and they will not wish to be associated with it.

Attempts to shame the Russians into compliance seem almost comical. The US/Western media can't even convince the US public of a need to go to war, much less the rest of the world.

That doesn't mean it can't happen, it just doesn't appear likely.

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 28, 2013 10:30:33 AM | 53

Don Bacon

Problem is that Russia/China should have learnt this even before Libya.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 10:31:02 AM | 54

@ Don Bacon | 47

"The US has lost control of Ban -- that's key."

Unlikely, Ban was 100% subservient up to now, so either:

a) Ban doesnt want regional war on his resume. (Doubt it, he was happy to comply on Libya, Iran, Syria (up to now), etc.)

b) Its just a "good cop, bad cop" tactic. Ban is pretending he is uphelding the UN law, while West's handpicked UN inspectors results will suit West's objectives (it already happened with Houla massacre). So attack on Syria will be "according to the International law."

I hope I'm wrong, or that inspectors will have a will of their own, we'll see soon enough.

Posted by: Harry | Aug 28, 2013 10:42:19 AM | 55

For Russia it's not only their inherent significant interests in Syria, it's also regional strategic geopolitics. Imagine what might happen --> Russia puts down the US on this issue and gains status as the primary external power in the Middle East. Game, set and match to mother Russia. Bad for Saudi Arabia, too.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 10:48:49 AM | 56

When we'll get a Syrian villains deck of cards?

Posted by: Boredpokerplayer | Aug 28, 2013 10:52:08 AM | 57

This is rich, from LWJ--

A notice posted by an administrator of the Ansar al Mujahideen English Forum, which was obtained by the SITE Intelligence Group, warned that impending US strikes in Syria may not be limited to targets tied to the Syrian regime, but may also target jihadists operating in the country.

The posting suggested that after initial strikes on regime targets, missiles will target training centers tied to the Al Nusrah Front as well as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. In addition, leaders of "prominent Islamist battalions" and "Shariah courts" would be targeted, the posting alleged.

"Independent Islamist groups have been urged to change their locations and to remain extremely alert for signs of forthcoming US attacks," the notice said.


Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 10:52:22 AM | 58

The Pentagon is leaking all this "national security" information -- worse than Mannning/Snowden.
Why?

The New York Times, quoting a Pentagon official, adds that "the initial target list has fewer than 50 sites, including air bases where Syria's Russian-made attack helicopters are deployed." The Times adds that "like several other military officials contacted for this report, the official agreed to discuss planning options only on condition of anonymity."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 10:56:32 AM | 59

I must conclude that it's General Dempsey's doing, to set Obama back.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 10:58:06 AM | 60

@58 The administrator is correct. But a little premature. The jihadis turn will come.

Posted by: dh | Aug 28, 2013 11:02:46 AM | 61

Anonymous @#46

I'm busy compiling a timeline on this and trying get all the sources currently available but it looks like the story was leaked to Focus mag, apparently a rightwing, neoliberal publication on the 24th, thre days after ground zero. It then got picked up on Tikun Olam on the 26th, the Times of Israel on the 27th and the Guardian today, the 28th. Yediot, an Israeli paper ran with it and Israel's Channel 2 around 26th August.

All the versions tell pretty much the same story except the Times if Israel which gave us this this:

On Friday, Israel’s Channel 2 reported that the weapons were fired by the 155th Brigade of the 4th Armored Division of the Syrian Army, a division under the command of the Syrian president’s brother, Maher Assad. The nerve gas shells were fired from a military base in a mountain range to the west of Damascus, the TV report said.

Pretty definitive, I would have thought, to check, there must a shitload of satellites looking down.

Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28, 2013 11:04:16 AM | 62

Image of US area military deployments.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 11:06:46 AM | 63

60) no, they are attempting an attack without retaliation - convince Syria, Iran, Hezbollah that they are better off just absorbing the strikes instead of walking into escalation and losing even more assets.

I consider this a serious miscalculation as obviously Syria and Hezbollah have to implement the maximum threat scenario immediately to stop any further strikes.

Frankly, my impression is the US are run by religious kooks planning Armageddon - that Bible story does not end well for Israel.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 28, 2013 11:18:43 AM | 64

Don Bacon #47 said "The US has lost control of Ban -- that's key."

I say Ban's stance is somewhat helpful but cannot be "key". The problem:

John Kerry, 26 Aug 2013: "As Ban Ki-moon said last week, the UN investigation will not determine who used these chemical weapons, only whether such weapons were used – a judgment that is already clear to the world.... Moreover, we know that the Syrian regime maintains custody of these chemical weapons." [Including Sarin.]

New Scientist magazine, 28 Aug 2013: "If the chemical agent was sarin, the UN inspectors now in Syria should find it, or its unique breakdown products, in people and the environment. Traces persisted for years at Halabja, the Iraqi town attacked with chemicals including sarin in 1988. Who was responsible for launching the attack in Al-Ghouta is another matter."

The real problem: What anyone can see in the Western mass media today is: very little or no doubting that the 21 Aug 2013 chemical attack was committed by the government side, very little or no calls for better evidence that it was indeed the government side who did it, very little or no reminders that the rebel side had the ability and willfullness to do the attack.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 28, 2013 11:22:11 AM | 65

Assad, steady under fire:

“This is nonsense,” Assad was quoted as saying. “First they level the accusations, and only then they start collecting evidence.”

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 28, 2013 11:27:11 AM | 66

Where are obama these days anyway, hes a afraid that his dove-image would be destroyed if he came out as the warmonger he is?

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 11:30:08 AM | 67

I'm with Don Bacon concerning Russia.

It's not just a (mil.) strategic question. It's also about Russias credibility and about economic perspectives.

If, for instance, Russia gave in and agreed a strike on Syria or at least tolerated it with just some lamenting, Russia would lose all credibility and in extension a lot of business, not only in the military sector.

Furthermore there is another, higher, strategic aspect involved for Russia. The final goal for the zusa criminals was and is to bring Russia to her knees, no matter what. Syrian and Iran are just milestones on that way and Putin knows that.

And now is a good point in time for Russia. Being somewhat in a stagnation and, thanks to the relentless efforts of zusas whores, the Kremlin has lost a lot of standing and what's common practice for zato countries is true also for Russia; A war is a good distraction and a powerful means to unite the people.
zusa on the other hand is weak as never before in 7 decades, and Europe, in particular zuk and franze, are still quite beaten by financial and economics problems.

Russia *will* act, one way or the other and I strongly assume that their reaction will include a considerable military component, too.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Aug 28, 2013 11:33:57 AM | 68

66) more logic

12:08 GMT: Missile strikes against Syria could lead to chemical weapons getting into the wrong hands, said Alexander Yakovenko, Russia’s ambassador to the UK.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 28, 2013 11:34:21 AM | 69

@Parviziyi #65
You and others make the mistake of treating the "Western mass media" as meaningful. Actually, most of it is US government propaganda and should be treated only as an object of derision, as b frequently does. It's not the real world. Rise above it, man.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 11:37:33 AM | 70

Here's what General Dempsey probably sees, taken from Information Dissemination.

Sun Tzu wrote, "Strategy without tactics is the slowest road to victory while tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."

The United States seems to be making a great deal of noise in its preparations for a possible attack on Syria. This latest operation is just another example of the U.S. slide away from strategy toward high operational art as practiced by such well known German generals as Field Marshall Erich von Manstein on the Soviet front in the Second World War.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 11:42:24 AM | 71

Well , If Assad show a good and strong response against Zionists previous attacks , he wouldn't face such awful situation ...

when he hadn't dare to response back Zionists , then you except him to stand and fight back against USA and NATO !?

are you living in real world !?

and Russia will say yes to this resolution ...

Posted by: R.P | Aug 28, 2013 11:51:51 AM | 72

@ Don 63

Image of US area military deployments.

Good map Here is one showing not only US but French and British military deployments are well. I think from available data the deployments include:

1) 4 US cruise missile carrying destroyers off the coast of Syria - USS Mahan, USS Gravely, USS Ramage and USS Barry.

2) 2 Aircraft Carriers - French Carrier Charles De Gaulle is docked in the South French port of Toulon on standby, USS Harry Truman is moving South through Suez Canal.

3) 2 Submarines - Britain has a Trafalgar Class Submarine (equipped with cruise missiles), France also has a submarine both South of Italy.

4) F-16's - After a military drill in Jordan (Called Eager Lion) at the start of summer, the US left 18-24 F-16 Falcon jets in Jordan's Muwaffaq Salti Air Base. More F-16's would be available from the base in Bahrain where the USS Nimitz carrier group is currently. Would be in range of Syria but need to go through Saudi and Jordanian airspace.

5) Patriot Missiles - Current Patriot Missiles are deployed in Turkey and Jordan and (try not to laugh) Iron Dome will be deployed in Israel in case Israel decides to fail at shooting anymore rockets out of the sky.

6) Cyprus - A lot of air traffic reported at a British base in Cyprus today. Cyprus under 100 miles from Syria and with large airfields will likely be a British trump card.

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Aug 28, 2013 11:53:14 AM | 73

No support from NATO for a military strike and no chemical charges against Syria.

NATO, Aug 28
NATO Secretary General Statement on North Atlantic Council Meeting on Syria

The North Atlantic Council has just discussed the situation in Syria and in particular the horrific use of chemical weapons around Damascus on 21 August.

We condemn in the strongest possible terms these outrageous attacks, which caused major loss of life.

NATO Allies expressed their full support to the ongoing UN investigation. They deplored that the Syrian regime failed to provide immediate and secure access for the United Nations inspectors to the sites of the attacks.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 11:58:20 AM | 74

Well , both China and Russia leave the UN summit ... that mean YES to attack to Syria ...

are you shocked !? well , in Iran everyone except this ...


Posted by: R.P | Aug 28, 2013 11:59:48 AM | 75

I cant believe it, but like I still thought, Russia and China once again show they are as complicit in this war as west. Shame on Russia and China!

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 12:03:06 PM | 76

sorry , I just mean UNSC summit ...

look like We should prepare ourselves for a war ... sigh ...

this is bad that we have a Reformist president in such critical situation ...


Posted by: R.P | Aug 28, 2013 12:04:13 PM | 77

@ R.P | 72

"Well , If Assad show a good and strong response against Zionists previous attacks , he wouldn't face such awful situation ...
when he hadn't dare to response back Zionists , then you except him to stand and fight back against USA and NATO !?"

I think you are correct, to limited missile strikes there will be no response from neither Syria, nor Iran/Russia. Syria wont want further escalation with NATO, same as they did with Israel's multiple strikes.

The resistance axis will probably only be activated if bombing reaches Libya's level, since you can no longer absorb that and go around your business with jihadists. Even then I doubt Iran/Russia will openly do anything about it, clandestinely - sure.

"and Russia will say yes to this resolution ..."

I dont think so, while Russia CAN sell-out its ally, but nothing USrael or arabs can offer what would offset long-term damage to Russia, including redirected jihadists to Russia's Caucasus (sooner or later, first order of their terror would be Iran).

Posted by: Harry | Aug 28, 2013 12:04:14 PM | 78

Another sign of US slippage.

The US was supposed to attend a scheduled meeting with Russia today at the Hague to discuss Geneva-2, but State has said that the meeting was "postponed" by the US.

Anyhow, RT reports that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov met in The Hague to discuss the UN probe of the alleged chemical weapons use in Syria, as well as the preparations to the Geneva-2 peace conference.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 12:05:36 PM | 79

Times if Israel which gave us this this: "On Friday, Israel’s Channel 2 reported that the weapons were fired by the 155th Brigade of the 4th Armored Division of the Syrian Army, a division under the command of the Syrian president’s brother, Maher Assad. The nerve gas shells were fired from a military base in a mountain range to the west of Damascus, the TV report said." Pretty definitive, I would have thought, to check, there must a shitload of satellites looking down. Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28, 2013 11:04:16 AM | 62
I can tell you where Israel’s Channel 2 got all that: DEBKAfile.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 28, 2013 12:06:10 PM | 80

Mr. P.,

Sure, but what can Russia do in terms of war? Send in jets? Anyway, why didn't Russia do more earlier? It might become logistically difficult now.

Posted by: Ozawa | Aug 28, 2013 12:07:13 PM | 81

RT has live updates here, including:

13:45 GMT: Damascus has handed over proof to UN inspectors that Assad’s regime did not deploy chemical weapons, Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Al-Mikdad told reporters Wednesday.

“Syrian government forces have never used chemical weapons – such claims are just a pretext. We have proof of this, which we passed to the inspectors of the UN commission,” Al-Mikdad said.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 12:09:41 PM | 82

@ Harry - 78

well , we still have USA nukes in Turkey and no Soviet/Russia nukes in Cuba ... and back then it was Soviet ...

Soviet and Russia only using Stalin legacy ... they didn't add anything to it and only using it ....

the last time Russia was a troublesome opponent for west , was in Stalin era ....

now , Russia is a shadow of his former self that only using Stalin legacy ... nothing more nothing less ...

well , if we only had 1/100 Russia weapons ( read it as nukes and ICBM ) we could kick western arses from our region in 2-3 years ...

in Iran we knew that we wouldn't rely on Russia in hard days ... without their nukes , west could finish them in 1990s ....

Posted by: R.P | Aug 28, 2013 12:14:01 PM | 83

So if the information is correct that Russia and China walked away... The syrian war is a reality and the west could create a resolution in any way they want, most of all, it wont be called "illegal."

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 12:17:41 PM | 84

@ 81

at least Russia could Veto any SC against Syria ... this would open our hand to freely help Syria and open Syria hand to an harsh response to west ( although , Assad not the man who doing this ... hell he almost loose Damascus till our advisers and Hezbollah came and saved it for him !!! )

and his army is full of traitors .... I won't be surprised that his some of his army give up , and some others join the Wild Syrian Army (so called FSA ) and some other destroying anti air systems and some other rebel against Assad ...

Posted by: R.P | Aug 28, 2013 12:20:06 PM | 85

This proves that the chinese and russian policy in syria is as bad as the west, for over 2 years they have been blocking resolutions, today they dont even use their veto and drop their policy before the goal line. Why?

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 12:22:25 PM | 86

re 82 etc Don. I think you could be right. The US and UK could have difficulty pinning down the UN or any other sort of mandate for action.

Going to war without the justification properly established could have important consequences, like finally reducing the UN to impotence and ridicule. I am not sure the US wants that.

Posted by: alexno | Aug 28, 2013 12:26:57 PM | 87

It's been documented that US military activities inspire terrorists to attack the west. And now the possibility of a fresh US attack on an Arab country is mobilizing the opposition.

The evacuation of U.S. embassies across the Middle East in early August, and simultaneous issuance by the State Department of a rare global travel warning, reportedly resulted from the interception of a conference call among more than 20 leaders of al-Qaeda and its affiliates. The al-Qaeda leaders, who thought their communications were secure, were plotting a major attack somewhere in the Middle East, to be led by Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.


Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 12:29:21 PM | 88

Russian RIA RU report the same, that russians walked out, however I might missunderstand but this meeting could just have been a meeting on creating a resolution, not actually voting on it. My bad if this is correct.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 12:34:23 PM | 89

Continuing "loose lips" at the Pentagon -- interesting. Like, why don't they just do it.

The Obama administration is still defining the central objectives of a potential military strike on Syria and considering possible Syrian government reprisals, even as U.S. intelligence agencies prepare additional evidence to show the Bashar Assad government’s responsibility for last week’s alleged chemical weapons attack, two senior administration officials said Wednesday.

One of the officials also said the administration is considering more than a single set of military strikes. “The options are not limited just to one day” of strikes, the official said, adding that no additional U.S. defensive weapons have been deployed in the region in anticipation of Syria reprisals. The U.S. already has Patriot anti-missile batteries in Jordan and Turkey.


Israel, for one, must be wondering the same thing. This may revolutionize warfare. First describe what you're going to do, and then see what people say about it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 12:35:25 PM | 90

@Anonymous #89
"russians walked out" of what?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 12:36:36 PM | 91

well , I reading this blog from " Qaher 313 " article and posted some of my opinion as " A Person " ....

I read so much of your discuss .... but it is a big hole in all of your analyses .... you forget that Russians are Russians ...

Posted by: R.P | Aug 28, 2013 12:38:24 PM | 92

The fix is in. This from the RT's live update page:

14:29 GMT: A report by Bloomberg citing an unnamed UN official has claimed that Syrian President Bashar Assad’s brother Maher is suspected of authorizing the use of chemical weapons in the August 21 incident. Assad’s younger brother, who commands the Syrian Republican Guard and the Army’s 4th Armored Division and is portrayed in the report as a “shadowy figure,” may have allegedly ordered the attack without the president’s consent. Should Maher Assad be found a culprit of this “brash action,” a Republican Guard stronghold may become the target of the Western missile strike instead of the presidential palace, the official reportedly said.

It dovetails perfectly with the Mossad plant.

Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28, 2013 12:41:57 PM | 93

@Mr Pragma

I understand what u are saying in this thread and the previous one but the thing is, Russias core interests continue to be violated, particularly Russia's encirclement by zusa. China is being encircled as well. see http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/08/22/the-us-is-encircling-china-with-military-bases/

Also, re the Muslim world, Dr.P.C.Roberts has considered that <>
He continues << When Washington finishes with Syria, the next target is Iran. Russia and China will no longer be able to fool themselves that there is any system of international law or restraint on Western criminality. Western aggression is already forcing both countries to develop their strategic nuclear forces and to curtail the Western-financed NGOs that pose as “human rights organizations,” but in reality comprise a fifth column that Washington can use to destroy the legitimacy of the Russian and Chinese governments.>> and <>

So far Mr.Pragma, zusa's been destroying every principle of International law and getting alway with it. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia, I mean, c'mon, how could Russia and China fall for natos ruse re lybia??? Both countries had investments, China more than Russia i think, both got screwed by zusa. Does it ever stop? Unfortunately, China and Russia are the only 2 countries in the world that can stand up to zusa, will they ever? If not, they might end up losing their own sovereinty.

BTW, take a look at this article http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/03/02/one-thing-putin-wants-russians-to-do-like-americans/

It's disengenious in some regards but from other sources I've checked Russia's demographic decline seems to be really alarming. There are of course economic and military consequences to it.

Best Regards,
Luca K

Posted by: Luca K | Aug 28, 2013 12:45:25 PM | 94

@ 93

Well if the republican guard is the target then it is without doubt an attempt to rebalance in favor if the rebels. That's the most effective fighting unit. Any acceptance of a "limited" strike is like digging your own grave. Better off throwing everything they have, not on the US, but on Israel and keep firing until the Israelis ask the US to stop. They are the drivers behind the policy and they are the ones who will stop it to save themselves.

Otherwise, best prepare for a humiliating death by a thousand cuts.

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 28, 2013 12:51:28 PM | 95

@Mr. Pragma
In my previous post(94) I made a mistake and much of the text was left out.
So again;

I understand what u are saying but the thing is,
Russias core interests continue to be violated, particularly Russia's
encirclement by zusa. China is being encircled as well. see http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/08/22/the-us-is-encircling-china-with-military-bases/
Also, re the Muslim world, Dr.P.C.Roberts has considered that "Perhaps the purpose of the wars is to radicalize Muslims and, thereby, destabilize Russia and even China. Russia has large populations of Muslims and is bordered by Muslim countries. Even China has some Muslim population. As radicalization spreads strife into the only two countries capable of being an obstacle to Washington’s world hegemony, Western media propaganda and the large number of US financed NGOs, posing as “human rights” organizations, can be counted on by Washington to demonize the Russian and Chinese governments for harsh measures against “rebels.”"
He continues "When Washington finishes with Syria, the next target is Iran. Russia and China will no longer be able to fool themselves that there is any system of international law or restraint on Western criminality. Western aggression is already forcing both countries to develop their strategic nuclear forces and to curtail the Western-financed NGOs that pose as “human rights organizations,” but in reality comprise a fifth column that Washington can use to destroy the legitimacy of the Russian and Chinese governments.[...] "Russia and China have been extremely careless in their dealings with the United States. Essentially, the Russian political opposition is financed by Washington. Even the Chinese government is being undermined.[...]Once Russia and China realize that they are riven with American fifth columns, isolated diplomatically, and outgunned militarily, nuclear weapons become the only guarantor of their sovereignty."

So far Mr.Pragma, zusa's been destroying every principle of International law and getting alway with it. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia, I mean, c'mon, how could Russia and China fall for natos ruse re lybia??? Both countries had investments, China more than Russia i think, both got screwed by zusa. Does it ever stop? Unfortunately, China and Russia are the only 2 countries in the world that can stand up to zusa, will they ever? If not, they might end up losing their own sovereinty.

BTW, take a look at this article http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/03/02/one-thing-putin-wants-russians-to-do-like-americans/

It's disengenious in some regards but from other sources I've checked Russia's demographic decline seems to be really alarming. There are of course economic and military consequences to it.

Best Regards,
Luca K

Posted by: Luca K | Aug 28, 2013 12:54:17 PM | 96

@ Luca K #94
Citing antiwar.com [!!] that "China is being encircled by US military bases" is bogus US propaganda. There is no such thing. Russia neither. And then I don't see how you differ from Mr Pragma with your "but."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28, 2013 12:55:29 PM | 97

We should be on alert for Jihad in Chechen .... for sure Salafi/Wahhabi/Takfirs so called Jihadis will enjoy raping Russian girls and women ( well , Chechenis girl were favorites of so called Jihadis in Syria .... ) ...

and now , after two years heavy wars , they get harden ... Russia won't be able to deal with them like 1990s ..... Putin has no idea about new cities war idea ....

if he believe in Bandar and USA promise , then he is a fool , a big one ...

Posted by: R.P | Aug 28, 2013 1:03:08 PM | 98

The US is a third-world country, yet has the most military clout. Plus, it has been involved for a long time now in manipulating, controlling, scamming, etc. the world financial system, which it can do because of its military / diplo / etc. grasp and threat. To maintain that status it has to react willy-nilly to at least some world events (not Mali for ex.) even if only with words, but ultimately showing some muscle is mandatory.

Obama is a reluctant interventionist, as he is closer to the Finance, Corp. nexus, also Surveillance World, straight in the line of very tight regulation of society thru expert dominating control, plus, say targeted assassinations. Typical of “Chiefs” more to the left of the aisle. I need not quote any historical names. As compared to his predecessor, who was linked strongly to Big Oil and the military-industrial complex, that is to extraction and pillage and aggression, in an old-fashioned, straight out colonialist, fashion. Obama’s red line (chem weapons) was probably forced, imposed, a concession granted to buy time, on his part. And lo and behold! ... the statement lead to the inevitable.

The result (Clinton-Bush-Obama) however, is pretty much the same, repeating the same sick scenarios, with perhaps a some time lag.

Which shows once more that the US president is a puppet, a spokesman.

Congress of course is simply on the take, ineffective, a total joke.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 28, 2013 1:08:16 PM | 99

Don Bacon

Apparently russian walked out from a UN meeting on Syria debating resolution proposals, I thought they went out from a voting session, however this seems wrong. My bad.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2013 1:10:16 PM | 100

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