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April 21, 2013

U.S. Targeted By Russian, Chechen Insurgency Propaganda

The Russian government induces some smart propaganda by buying advertisement space in U.S. media. This to make the connection between the Boston marathon bomber, Chechen insurgents and U.S. sponsored terrorism in Syria.

The right advertisement column of the Washington Post homepage is currently filled with links to Russia Beyond The Headlines, a multi-language site run by a Russian government paper.


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The current top story at the RBTH site is Suspected Boston bombers linked to Russia’s Caucasus but the top story featured in the RBTH advertisement at WashingtonPost.com is Chechen ‘Jihadist International’ emerges in Syria.

It is a prominent reminder for U.S. citizens that their government is promoting the same terrorism is Syria that hit them in Boston. Well done Mr. Putin.

Meanwhile the insurgency in Chechnya, the Command of the Mujahideen Vilayat Dagestan IR, just released their own statement (in Russian) about the Boston incidents. Points gleaned from the auto-translated text:

  • Any relation of the Boston event with our fight is just speculative
  • We don't fight the United States. We are at war with Russia for its occupation of the Caucasus and for its "heinous crimes against Muslims"
  • We do not strike civilian targets
  • The media should stop their speculations and the repetition of Russian propaganda.

The last paragraph is the most interesting as it introduces a conspiracy theory that could gain some grounds with neoconned, rightwing Russia bashers like the Washington Post editors:

If the U.S. government is really interested in establishing the true organizers of explosions in Boston, and are not complicit in Russian play, then they should focus on involvement in the events occurring Russian security services.
The theory of Russian security services involvement in the Boston event does not make much sense. Why did those services alarm the FBI about Tamerlan Tsarnaev back in 2011 if he was, knowingly or unknowingly, one of their agents?

Aside from that plausibility the Chechen insurgents, like their neocon friends, do not have a good record on truth. Their assertions not to strike at civilians runs counter to the record. The Russian propaganda is more believable.

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"Russia beyond the Headlines" is partnered by all the big international media.
I do not think it is necessarily Russia who informed the FBI, it might be Kazakhstan which has a security cooperation with the US. The FBI did not name their source. It was assumed by everybody reporting on it. Tamerlan traveled in Russia after he talked to the FBI seemingly without problems and with a beard in his passport photo. Mind you he was a Russian citizen, so they could not do much about it except arrest him.
Russia's propaganda is not that clever as it will be resented in Chechnya. They clearly came out saying they had nothing to do with the Boston marathon, it was a problem raised in the US.
It seems clear, that the US has no interest to politicize the issue beyond local politics.


Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 10:52:35 AM | 1

"Israeli Doctors Are Treating Boston Bombing Suspect."

Dr. Kevin (Ilan) Tabb, president and CEO of the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston told the Israeli website Ynet that Tsarnaev is in stable condition but that because of wounds to his throat, he may never be able to speak again.

http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-doctors-treating-boston-bombing-suspect-details-condition-131043127.html

Well, so much from every hearing Tsarnaev's side of the story.

Posted by: easy e | Apr 21, 2013 11:02:53 AM | 2

Chechnya rebels fighting in Syria funded in part by the US, yes going int ' with this, could open a bag of worms! Not good for the administration at all...

Posted by: kev | Apr 21, 2013 11:06:13 AM | 3

@somebody - It was Russia, not Kazakhstan. Reported so by WaPo AND Russia Today. So the two sides seem to agree on that.

Posted by: b | Apr 21, 2013 11:08:47 AM | 4

"Well, so much from every hearing Tsarnaev's side of the story. "

Yep. We will never hear that story. That was made sure when they had the guy in the boat, put some 30 shots at him and threw a dozen flash bangs even though he obviously could hardly move.

Boston Globe

Dozens of officers and federal officials moved into the backyard on foot and as they neared the boat, Tsarnaev suddenly moved from his hiding place and raised his hand. He looked to be holding something.

Immediately, officials opened fire. Officers backed off, keeping a distance of about 30 feet from the boat.

Worried that Tsarnaev might be wearing an explosive device, police brought in an armored vehicle, equipped with a robot that could peel back the wrap covering the boat for the winter.

The standoff lasted nearly two hours, as officers watched the boat closely. “No movement,” they would report occasionally.

Then, Tsarnaev stirred. He held his hands up. He was covered in blood.

Not taking any chances, officers began to hit the boat with flash grenades, which emit a loud blast and a bright light designed to disorient suspects.

They used at least a dozen of the devices, trying to ensure as much as possible that Tsarnaev would be too stunned to fight back. SWAT officers then swarmed the boat.

The "He looked to be holding something." excuse is always quite convenient for trigger happy cops.

Posted by: b | Apr 21, 2013 11:14:08 AM | 5

If Putin did get the word out, it's because he knows his sh!t. The low information American public will believe anything. Tons of people even thought that Chechen Republic was the same thing as Czech Republic. The Czech ambassador had to come out and say they weren't. So by throwing this out there people will know that Russia and the Chechen terrorists have been at war with each and that the USA security services have been funding them.

Posted by: Fernando | Apr 21, 2013 11:16:55 AM | 6

And the crowds in the street chanted USA! USA! USA! - another great triumph for the Land of the Free........

Posted by: Mick | Apr 21, 2013 11:23:14 AM | 7

"@somebody - It was Russia, not Kazakhstan. Reported so by WaPo AND Russia Today. So the two sides seem to agree on that."

He was on about it earlier too, I thought of saying something then, but changed my mind cos I wanted to see where he'd run with that bit of completely made-up non-info.

All the way to Khazakstan, eh? Energetic little fellow, ain't he?

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 21, 2013 11:43:14 AM | 8

In the linked Russia article the author, Mark Galeotti, Professor of Global Affairs [!!] at New York University, writes that the leader of Jabhat al-Nusra, Abu Mohammad al-Golani (Julani), "may come from the Syrian Chechen community evicted by Israel from the Golan Heights."

But he may not, as it can't be confirmed.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 11:51:06 AM | 9

Ironically, Boston taverns in the past have been major collection points for support of the Irish Republican Army terrorists in the UK.

compassdesigns: The IRA killed over 600 civilians. They certainly saw themselves as freedom fighters. The British (and American) governments saw them as terrorists. Yet many individuals in those countries supported the IRA’s actions. Take Peter King (who was later chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee):
“King was one of the most zealous American defenders of the militant IRA and its campaign to drive the British out of Northern Ireland. He argued that IRA violence was an inevitable response to British repression”

Peter King currently is a major voice against Muslims.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 12:10:46 PM | 10

4) I accept it then, was wondering about the reasons the FBI did not name the country in the first place.
There is lot of conflicting info coming out. Chechnya seems sure Tsarnaevs had lived in Kazakhstan, other sources say Kyrgyzstan, maybe both. Both are independent, but not Dagestan. All those places are culturally, geographically and historically connected and close. This source here quotes Kyrgyz neighbours and a school teacher saying that the kids had been traumatized by the war in Chechnya.
Terrorism and Counterterrorism in the Caucasus will cross all those borders.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 12:13:01 PM | 11

Chechnya rebels fighting in Syria funded in part by the US, yes going int ' with this, could open a bag of worms! Not good for the administration at all...

It won't make a difference. It's already public knowledge that the administration is in bed with al Qaeda and no one gives a shit. What makes you think this would be any different?

Posted by: Carol Newquist | Apr 21, 2013 12:16:08 PM | 12

I'm in trouble.
EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS - Suspected Boston Marathon bombers lived in cheap, messy, ramshackle apartment where plates of food still sit on their table. http://nydn.us/ZBI7YG

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 12:24:44 PM | 13

Wasn't it common problems with terrorism (Chechnya and 9/11) that sort of brought Bush and Putin to their "stare into my soul" moment?

Before it was common commiseration, now it's plain "I told you so".

Amazing what goodwill the US squandered after 9/11.

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 12:41:20 PM | 14

What were the orders that went into that final shooting?

If they were trying to kill him, they failed. If they had orders to take him alive, they came very close to not doing so.

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 12:52:03 PM | 15

I'm in trouble. EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS - Suspected Boston Marathon bombers lived in cheap, messy, ramshackle apartment where plates of food still sit on their table.

LOL! If you think about it, this is possible evidence that these two, considering the official narrative that's unfolding, couldn't have acted alone because they would have blown themselves up well before ever planting those homegrown bombs, so disorganized and sloppy were they in their thoughts and actions.

Also, I always understood Jihadi suicide bombers to be just that; suicide bombers. What happened? Why didn't they blow themselves up? Why didn't they exalt their accomplishment? Why did they run and hide? What kind of Jihadi suicide bombers are they? I want my money back.

Posted by: Carol Newquist | Apr 21, 2013 1:01:48 PM | 16

Carol,

Maybe because religion had nothing to do with it?

And trying to drag Chechnya into this is even worse.

Posted by: Anomyous | Apr 21, 2013 1:09:09 PM | 17

15) every police officer involved will have thought
either - I will teach you a lesson you bastard,
or - I want to come out of here unhurt
so some would have made sure and some enjoyed it. Orders probably were to get him alive, but not to endanger themselves.

The view from Dagestan

Dagestan is the focal point of the insurgency in the North Caucasus, where militants wage almost daily violence to establish an Islamist state.

Residents of the city of half a million are so used to the violence that they are surprised by what they see as the fuss over the Boston bombings.

"What's there to say? We're used to this. There are bomb blasts and rebels everywhere," said Ms Galia Sulemanan, 55, a housewife buying bread in Abdulayeva's grocery store. "Young people do this for money."

The Caucasian Knot website, which monitors the violence, says 124 people were killed and 75 wounded in the first three months of this year in predominantly Muslim Russian provinces that stretch almost from the Caspian to the Black Sea, and include Dagestan and Chechnya.

"Such things (as in Boston) are always upsetting, but you know this happens every day here. We're surprised by the huge reaction," said Magomed, a young man in a black leather jacket who declined to give his full name.

"Americans think they are some kind of 'super people', like their lives are more important than others'. They're the world's police. We have enough of our own problems to worry about it."

Insurgents from the North Caucasus have carried out attacks outside the region, including on Moscow's subway and at the main international airport of Domodedovo, where 37 people were killed in a bombing in January 2011 - but not on US soil.

Many people in the region have long focused their ire on Moscow and Kremlin-backed local leaders, not on the US, although there are clear signs of irritation in the region about some American attitudes.

"They blew up three people in the United States, and people are up in arms. When they (Americans) kill 150, 200 people in Afghanistan, Iraq, why do they react differently?" asked Mr Vagib Devletkhanov, 24, a soldier in the Russian army.

There has been no claim of responsibility for the Boston bombings from any militant group in the North Caucasus, and Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, who was installed by Moscow, says there is no direct connection with the region.

Other people in the region echo his view, saying the Tsarnaevs' connections with Dagestan are tenuous.

"He wasn't raised in Dagestan, he didn't grow up here. You should look for the roots of this (fundamentalism) in America," said local journalist Arsen Malayev


Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 1:12:04 PM | 18

SUSPECT REMAINS HEAVILY SEDATED
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tsarnaev-condition-hospital-fbi-153246539.html

With the serums these "special" doctors are putting in his veins thereby creating a puppet/zombie, any future communication from Tsarnaev upon recovery will support the narrative designed by this psychological operation. Fear politics and the boogey man are alive and well. The military industrial complex is rejoicing in euphoria.

Some other ambiguities about this case:
* Were these suspects actually armed, as reported by mainstream corporate media?
* Were they actually wearing bullet proof vests?

Or are these fabricated plants embedded into the narrative of this operation?

Posted by: easy e | Apr 21, 2013 1:22:47 PM | 19

@guest #14
It wasn't a "common problems with terrorism (Chechnya and 9/11)" when prominent U.S. neocons were and are supporting Chechen rebels against Russia.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 1:29:10 PM | 20

Why did the US government let Chechens into America post 9-11?To tweak the bear?My God,the machinations of morons.Blowback.
The kid looks like Bobby Dylan,the older bro Sarkozy,and the uncle looks like Netanyahoo.Sheesh,Khazarian or what?

Posted by: dahoit | Apr 21, 2013 1:35:12 PM | 21

from various sources:
Michael McCaul, chair of the House Homeland Security Committee, told CNN: "He was interviewed by the FBI in 2011 and let go. He traveled back to Russia and spent six months there." Stating that the FBI had questions to answer, the Republican said: "Clearly something happened in that six-month timeframe. He radicalised at some point."

An official at the Department of Homeland Security said he was on the “radar screen” of agents in Boston from when he returned to the US to the end of autumn.

The suspects’ father, Anzor Tsarnaev, who lives in the Russian republic of Dagestan, also said the FBI had been watching his family and visited the brothers’ home in Cambridge, Massachusetts, five times, most recently 18 months ago, looking for Tamerlan. “They said there were doing preventive work. They were afraid there might be some explosions on the streets of Boston,” he said.

While Tamerlan had a Green Card but was not a US citizen, Dzhokhar became a naturalised citizen during a ceremony on Sept 11 last year.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said the FBI had dropped the ball in investigating Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011, after the Russian government had raised concerns to U.S. authorities that Tsarnaev was a follower of radical Islam.

"Once you're brought to attention by a foreign government, I think you should have a red flag put then, to be taken off later," Graham said on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday.

'They were set up, FBI followed them for years'- Tsarnaevs' mother to RT

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 2:14:07 PM | 22

Why are we taking the FBIs word for it that they were informed by a foreign party about the Tsarnaevs? Makes absolutely no sense, unless we're talking about Israel or some 'ally'. This is all CYA for the FBI. Remember, the FBI didn't admit in the first place that they were even involved until the parents went live on Russian TV and said it. The FBI was OF COURSE trolling the muslim community in Boston as they do muslim communities in every larger city, and have since 9/11. Poor Tamerlan was probably the only one they could find with a compromising Youtube account.

CYA. Plus, it muddies the waters to the domestic mouth-breathing population and insinuates Russian/Chechen/whatever involvement. The fact that Tamerlan travelled there is swallowed as proof that he must've been trained there. Hence, no FBI sting or handler situation to implicate the incompetence(or culpability) of the FBI.

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 21, 2013 2:45:33 PM | 23

"Last night new details about Dzhokhar’s dramatic capture were released.

Police said he fired at them from his hiding place but, weak through loss of blood from the bullet wounds he had sustained in the shoot-out with police earlier, he eventually gave himself up. ‘He was so weak that we were able to just go in and scoop him up,’ said a police spokesman."

This capture story gets murkier and murkier. Now he shot at police from the boat?

"He was on the ground being handcuffed when he was run over by his younger brother as he escaped in the car."

So... wouldn't DT have run over some police as well?

Also, what caused that massive gash in the older brothers rib cage?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312331/Was-Boston-bomber-inspired-Doku-Umarov-Mother-claims-FBI-tracked-older-brother-years-told-Moscow-links-Chechen-terrorists.html#ixzz2R7qGI1hu

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 2:58:45 PM | 24

"Last night new details about Dzhokhar’s dramatic capture were released.

Police said he fired at them from his hiding place but, weak through loss of blood from the bullet wounds he had sustained in the shoot-out with police earlier, he eventually gave himself up. ‘He was so weak that we were able to just go in and scoop him up,’ said a police spokesman."

This capture story gets murkier and murkier. Now he shot at police from the boat?

"He was on the ground being handcuffed when he was run over by his younger brother as he escaped in the car."

So... wouldn't DT have run over some police as well?

Also, what caused that massive gash in the older brothers rib cage?

dailymail DOT co DOT uk/news/article-2312331/Was-Boston-bomber-inspired-Doku-Umarov-Mother-claims-FBI-tracked-older-brother-years-told-Moscow-links-Chechen-terrorists.html#ixzz2R7qGI1hu

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 2:59:28 PM | 25

The media is getting real fun now - UK media seems to know something the US media does not - or vice versa

UK Mirror et al.

A source close to the investigation said: "We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.

"They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come."

US - Boston Globe

WASHINGTON — Boston officials said today the Tsarnaev brothers were prepared to launch more violent attacks before their odyssey of terror was disrupted last week — given the large quantity of explosives and ammunition they possessed — but that all evidence thus far indicates they were acting alone and were not part of a broader conspiracy.

“All of the information I have is they acted alone, these two individuals, the brothers,’’ Mayor Thomas M. Menino said on ABC’s “This Week.’’

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 3:00:30 PM | 26

Remember how it was alleged they were to have robbed the 7/11? It turns out they didn't. I have to tip my hat to this woman for calling news agencies all day to persuade them to report the correction. A rare exception. I have a sneaking suspicion they won't be reporting the bevy of other corrections that should be made.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/7-eleven-robbery-boston/2097915/

At an earlier press conference morning, when Alben described the manhunt and standoff that resulted in the death of an MIT police officer, he also said that the two brothers robbed a 7-Eleven.

Chabris says the story of the robbed 7-Eleven was online immediately and spread quickly. She has been calling journalists all day to ask them to make a correction.

Posted by: Carol Newquist | Apr 21, 2013 3:07:01 PM | 27

My bad on the double post. Now on twitter: Americans turning each other in...

Joey Boots ‏@JoeyBoots 3h
@FBIBoston @Boston_Police you might want to monitor this guy and his #TroyCrossleyTrust #FreeJahar followers: @TroyCrossley - #Boston

The Colonel ‏@TheColonel27 1h
Hey @FBIBoston, this @TroyCrossley guy is organizing a fundraiser for terrorist #2. Please investigate him.

Doremus Jessup ‏@DoremusJ 9m
@palmerkiss my advice is ignore them and only rely on trusted sources or retweet them to @FBIBoston

Interesting that DebkaFILE blames Saudis: Saudi terror cell, possibly al Qaeda, behind Boston Marathon bombings. Manhunt for escaped suspect http://www.debka.com/article/22901/FBI-Boston-Marathon-probe-points-to-Mid-East-terrorists-with-domestic-support

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 3:19:16 PM | 28

how to make a pressure cooker bomb

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 3:20:30 PM | 29

27) yep there is this report of a Watertown resident on the net

Relatively early on Friday morning one of our neighbors was informed by police enforcing the lock down in our neighborhood that the Cambridge 7/11 was robbed by someone other than the terrorist suspects and that it was the search for that robber (who we were told was believed to have killed the MIT police officer) that caused the terrorist suspects to flee (in the mistaken belief that they were being pursued). When I first relayed this report to a colleague, he checked it with someone who is apparently well known as a talking head and as a respected expert on counter-terrorism issues. At the time I was told this theory was complete rubbish. Later, apparently, this same source told my friend that the two events were in fact not directly related. The implication is that the high level experts were completely clueless to the reality on the ground.

...

Who killed the MIT police officer? It remains my understanding that it was probably not the terrorists. And yet, if this understanding is correct, the news media have said nothing that I have seen about the ongoing hunt for a cold blooded cop killer.


Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 3:24:32 PM | 30

29):-)) however that was all uploaded 4 days ago and is presumably untested ....

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 3:26:22 PM | 31

There is faked photo of Suspect #2 from that gas-station with very convenient title Nitrogen on it.
http://www.examiner.com/article/one-bombing-suspect-dead-suspect-2-on-run-watertown-mass-video?cid=rss


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/21/us-usa-explosions-bombing-menino-idUSBRE93K07K20130421

"Boston mayor says authorities may never question bomb suspect"

Fist shoot than ask!! Or, simply just....never ask!!

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 21, 2013 3:34:11 PM | 32

Watertown is quite Caucasian. There is quite large and strong community of Armenians there. I mean it is probably 3 generation but they are still compact. Organization that lobbied US Congress to adopt the law about Armenian genocide is located there.

There is also sizable Greek population

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 21, 2013 3:38:49 PM | 33

Kiss up to the FBI much, Mike?

NBCNews

The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said on NBC’s Meet the Press Sunday that when Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon bombing suspect killed Friday in a shootout with police, traveled to Russia in 2012, he may have done so under an alias. . .The FBI, Rogers said, “did their due diligence and did a very thorough job” of investigating Tamerlan Tsarnaev, but when the FBI asked for more help from that foreign intelligence service, it got no further cooperation.

Blame Russia -- "Congressional oversight" at its worst.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 3:40:42 PM | 34

This article has a photo of DT getting out of the boat under his own power: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312387/Boston-bombers-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-plant-MORE-devices.html

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 3:44:24 PM | 35

(Reuters) - Boston's police commissioner said on Sunday that the Boston Marathon bombing suspects killed an MIT police officer and had more explosives that authorities believe they intended to use.

"Tragically, Officer Collier from the MIT police was murdered by these individuals as they started their rampage," Boston Police Commissioner Edward Davis said on "Fox News Sunday."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 3:45:22 PM | 36

i'm confused about this:

1. for several years, the fbi was on to the elder brother.
2. but, on thursday night, it released the pictures of the suspects AND asked the public for their identities.
3. why, then, did they cover up the fact that they had interviewed the elder brother and knew who he was? ie, why did they pretend to not know the suspect?

Posted by: ano | Apr 21, 2013 3:46:23 PM | 37

35) I thought that first, however it seems to show a thermal image done by helicopter.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 3:55:22 PM | 38

Glenn Beck joins with DEBKAFile going full court press that Saudis were involved.... http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/monday-bombshell-evidence-so-damning-it-will-determine-the-fate-of-our-nation_04202013

These two are really full of shit. From DEBKA:

Yet there was no sign of dogs along the route trained to sniff out explosives or a police helicopter overhead with sensors for detecting explosives or traces thereof on the person of anyone present around the finishing line after the blasts.

Why would right wing Israelis and right wing Americans have an interest in playing up a Saudi angle?

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 3:57:54 PM | 39

@38

I'm refering to this one, not the thermal images: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/21/article-2312387-196A7FAC000005DC-586_470x423.jpg

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 4:00:17 PM | 40

And according to IBTimes now the FBI is tracking down a 12-man sleeper cell...
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/459580/20130421/boston-bombings-tamerlan-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-sleeper-cell.htm

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 4:05:48 PM | 41

40) that is the thermal image.

UK press definitively is itching for a fight:

Russia asked FBI to investigate Boston bomber just SIX MONTHS ago after he met Islamic militant at Dagestani mosque six times Russian authorities contacted FBI in November with questions about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, police source said It came after he was seen meeting with a person involved in militant Islamic underground movement in Dagestan FBI never responded to the concerns, the source claimed Tsarnaev's mother said the FBI had trailed him for five years amid fears he was inspired by Russia's Bin Laden

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 4:07:30 PM | 42

The Saudi angle -- Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi -- is interesting.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 4:09:46 PM | 43

somebody what r u talking about, that is DT getting out of the boat by himself.

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 21, 2013 4:12:03 PM | 44

@42 I'm missing your point. If it doesn't show him getting out of the boat on his own power, then what does it show? How it was taken, I can't say - though that helicopter must have been flying pretty low if it took that. Doesn't look to me that it was taken from above. The vantage is parallel to the horizon.

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 4:13:08 PM | 45

Israel embrace the attack saying, 'it was good for israel'.

http://www.forward.com/articles/175219

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 21, 2013 4:15:53 PM | 46

"i'm confused about this:

1. for several years, the fbi was on to the elder brother.
2. but, on thursday night, it released the pictures of the suspects AND asked the public for their identities.
3. why, then, did they cover up the fact that they had interviewed the elder brother and knew who he was? ie, why did they pretend to not know the suspect?

so unfortunate how the few clever comments get drowned in the never ending stream of bullshit.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 21, 2013 4:31:46 PM | 47

The police converged on the boat at about 7 pm April 19. This report was filed at 7:25 pm:

Less than an hour after police admitted at a press conference that they had not found a Boston Marathon bombing suspect after a day-long search of Watertown, officers converged on a Franklin Street back yard, firing shots and tear gas at a man hiding in a boat.

Watertown residents were evacuated from the street, according to eyewitness reports, as dozens of officers responded to the scene. A witness told our news partner WCVB-TV that he saw a SWAT Team pass him and then heard rapid gunfire, at least 15-20 shots.


So all the gunfire and grenade explosions took place prior to 7:25. DT wasn't captured until over an hour later, about 8:45 pm.
Unconfirmed reports suggest that Tsarnaev was shot twice by law enforcement in the gun battle which raged until his capture at approximately 8:45pm. He was found bleeding heavily from gunshot wounds to his neck and foot from the shoot-out on Friday morning, which he escaped on foot before taking up his hiding place in a Watertown backyard boat. . .(photo of DT sitting upright on side of boat) 'He had lost a lot of blood. He was so weak that we were able to just go in and scoop him up,' state police spokesman David Procopio told the Boston Herald adding that the suspect was in 'serious if not critical condition'.

At about 9 pm DT was taken away.
. . at about 9 p.m., the suspect, believed to have been injured in a wild shootout that spanned Thursday night to Friday morning, was being taken to Beth Israel Hospital.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 4:36:46 PM | 48

44/45 I think the image is taken from this police video - it shows part of what happened - 48) I do not know where you took that from, information varies widely, some journalists write just fantasy, educated guesses for clicks.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 4:42:44 PM | 49

And right they are, the Russians.

The usa have been supporting *everyone and anyone* turning against, weakening and terrorising Russia, in particular at what they call Russias soft belly (caucasus).

It is known and proven that chechen terrorists have been supported and even given weapons by the usa. After all, terrorism is a normal and everyday intrument for the usa. They did it in Chechenia, they had gladio kill hundreds in European terrist attacks and they do it in Syria.

It's not that the Russian "construct" or invent a connection - it's there, it's existing. There *are* american sponsored chechen terrorists in Syria.

Being at that let's clean up a little.

A "terrorist" is associated by most with some lunatic going berserk. Yes, that exists. Sometimes, although extremely rarely, some weirdos grab guns or bombs and go berserk. But it's the major exception. Unless we talk about devastated regions occupied by the usa. In which case it's not terrorism but simply self-defense (sure enough, nobody wants to see the dead body of ones wife or kids pi**ed on after being raped and tortured)

About 90%+ of what is tagged "terrorist" actually are just violence-for-hire men. Simple as that. That way, what would otherwise be very problematic scum, actually becomes "useful".
And useful they are, handy they come. If the usa sent their own soldiers, the price tag would be immensely higher. Not even considering veterans and their cost.
"Terrorists" come quite handy there. They are ridiculously cheap, if they get killed, who cares (and those who do, their relatives, just will provide new ones ...) and, using them, one can do things that would unthinkable with a regular army.

Which brings us to the next issue to clean up: violence.

"Violence is not acceptable" they teach little Jimmy and Mandy. What the really mean is "At home, within our system, violence creates problems and is therefore not acceptable". In order to enforce that rule they engage cops, shockingly often about the most violent, despicable kind of men in any society.

Why is violence not acceptable in the system? After all, the "civilized" western countries have killed Millions and millions of humans ...

That's because the parasites that really control our societies know perfectly well that violence is the only means to get rid of them. As long as the "citizens" nicely play in the democracy stall, paying their taxes, working, consuming and voting for the parasites go-fors (who get a micro-fraction of the goodies for their services) all is fine and the matrix stall is productive and nicely humming.
You're not happy with your go-for? Go and vote for another go-for. They've prepared quite some options for the humans. Mainstream ones and even more exotic ones. Or send your go-for an angry fax.

Just don't forget the holy rule: Violence is not acceptable!

Unless, of course, against "the others", the "evil ones". And this contradiction between the holy law of non-violence on one side and the need to use violence for quite some purposes, including against ones own citizens, is possibly *the* raison d'etre for "terrorism". Your won army, police etc. are bound, they must stay (or at least look like staying) with the holy boundary.

But terrorists can be used for all those wunderful operations in the dark. And know what? If ever the operation isn't kept tight and in the dark, so what? After all they're terrorists, right. Just have your cops or army kill them.

Good morning america.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Apr 21, 2013 4:43:05 PM | 50

another timeline
--Approximately 7:05 p.m.: Gunshots have reportedly been heard in Watertown. Police have once again asked residents to stay indoors.
--Approximately 7:30 p.m.: An FBI source tells NPR that police have located the suspect, but are proceeding with caution out of fear that the scene may be booby-trapped.
--Approximately 8:45 p.m.: Boston police tweet that a suspect is in custody: "Suspect in custody. Officers sweeping the area. Stand by for further info."

I suspect (don't know) that it took the police an hour to request and get a robot to pull the tarp back, while DT bled in the bottom of the boat.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 4:45:13 PM | 51

Is no one clicking on that pic or what? It was leaked shortly after it was taken too btw. Shows him getting out of the boat and standing on his own two feet, PERIOD. Can we move on? I mean obviously they have concocted a story here, but there are much more important angles to discuss, no?

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 21, 2013 4:51:02 PM | 52

43) sorry, that is plain stupid - he is Saudi, he shares a name (how does the Saudi name system work - they do not have surnames right? but something like this

Example Name محمد بن سعيد بن عبد العزيز الفلسطيني Muhammad ibn Saeed ibn Abd al-Aziz al-Filasteeni muḥammad ibn saʻīdi ibn ʻabdi l-ʻazīzi l-filasṭīnī Ism - Muhammad (Proper name). Muhammad: praised. Nasab - Saeed (Father's name). Saeed: happy Nasab - Abd al-Aziz (Grandfather's name). Abd al-Aziz: Servant of the Magnificient. Nisbah - al-Filasteenee (The Palestinian). Filasteen: Palestine. Muhammad, son of Saeed, son of Abdul-Aziz, the Palestinian

notice the last part is the name of a place - shared by many.

But it is interesting that the Israeli and US right wing are ganging up against Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 4:58:09 PM | 53

@47 Maybe when you're done analyzing the conspiracy going on in the blog comments here, you can take a crack at the one in Boston. Feel free share your highly intelligent and worldly thesis with us.

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 4:58:44 PM | 54

guest @ 25 -- I came across a story today where the physician who treated Tamberlan said he had no injuries consistent with being run over by a car.

At this point I have no recollection of where I found that.

But the MCM is not doing well on reporting verified facts, so....

Posted by: jawbone | Apr 21, 2013 5:37:20 PM | 55

Sibel Edmonds in Russia Today

This situation is really similar to the Bin Laden shooting. Every day the story changed. And this is what we are going to see in the next few days. They are going to change the story, they are going to throw so much confusion and inconsistencies and conflicting data that no one is going to figure out what actually happened, especially if the second suspect dies.

...

Alternative media has been waiting and reporting on this for years – the US operations in the region against Russia. And we are kind of puzzled in terms of the silence from the Russian government, because the FSB at any given moment can put a lot of information that would expose the fact that we actually are in the business of crating terrorists and bringing about terrorism in the region, as we have done for the last several decades in the Middle East, but especially since the fall of the Soviet Union – in Central Asia and the Caucasus. And again, there are tons of facts backing this up and there is much more in the hands of the Russian government, and I think this is a pretty good opportunity for some of this information to come out and enlighten the American public here in the United States.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 5:41:58 PM | 56

wow - politico

Both parents insist that the FBI continued to monitor Tamerlan Tsarnaev and that both of their sons were set up. Their mother went so far on Sunday to claim that the FBI had contacted her elder son after the deadly bombs exploded at the marathon. If true, it would be the first indication that the FBI considered him a suspect before Boston descended into violence on Thursday.

The FBI declined to comment publicly Sunday.

The mother’s claim could not be independently confirmed, and she has made statements in the past that appeared to show a lack of full understanding of what occurred in Boston.
Investigators released photos and video of the two Tsarnaev brothers on Thursday afternoon, but at that point their identities were not known. By late that night, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was dead.
Tsarnaeva said her elder son told her by telephone that the FBI had called to inform him that they considered him a suspect and he should come in for questioning.
She said her son refused. “I told them, what do you suspect me of?” Tsarnaeva quoted her son as saying. “This is your problem and if you need me you should come to where I am.”
He then told her he was going to drive his younger brother to the university, she said, speaking by telephone from Chechnya. Tsarnaeva claimed that her son later called his wife to tell her they were being chased and fired upon.

That can be confirmed by Tsarnaev's American wife.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21, 2013 5:53:43 PM | 57

Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick told The Washington Post in an interview public Saturday that the younger brother’s reaction to the bombings — caught on video recordings and in photographs — was one of the clues that helped investigators.

“[It was] highly incriminating,” Patrick told The Post, “a lot more than the public knows.”

Wtf does that mean?

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/boston-police-chief-photos-turned-tide-90382.html#ixzz2R8i2xn36

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 6:28:27 PM | 58

@ guest #58
It means that the brothers had a casual demeanor and were sauntering after the bombings, whereas the general public was frightened and fleeing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 6:39:20 PM | 59

There seems to be a pattern here.

A Republican-led House committee is asking the Obama administration for all information on the Boston bombing suspect once suspected of engaging in terrorist activities, saying the tragedy marks another intelligence failure and raises “serious questions about the efficacy of the federal counter-terrorism efforts.”

In the letter, Committee Chairman Rep. Mike McCaul says bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev appears to be the fifth person since 9/11 to participate in a terror attack, despite being under FBI investigation.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 6:40:29 PM | 60

huffingtonpost is quoting the fbi, saying that the older brother may have traveled to russia last year under a false alias or passport. if the older brother was indeed a double agent, this is the kind of thing to focus on.

Posted by: anon | Apr 21, 2013 6:49:22 PM | 61

This is the entirety of the info I can find on the pre-event drills that doesn't come from Alex Jones or a similar source. The links are within this link, all from the University site. Though there is no reason to disbelieve this guy, I don't see it reported anywhere from anyone else.

http://www.umobile.edu/Athletics/AthleticNews/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1649/Coach-Stevenson-Shares-Boston-Marathon-Experience-With-Media.aspx#.UXRtZoItdFQ

As for the controlled explosion - that appears to have happened after the bombings. Though within three minutes, according to the timestamp on the tweet (assuming that isn't linked to time zones or something)

https://twitter.com/BostonDotCom/status/323886828082040832

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 7:07:07 PM | 62

This attack was good for Israel/US/NATO and the unipolar world
Bad for everyone else
brought my post over to share, it can only help fill in the picture

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2013/04/boston-bombing-nato-taking-fight-to.html


"It is a prominent reminder for U.S. citizens that their government is promoting the same terrorism is Syria that hit them in Boston. Well done Mr. Putin"

do you think that will phase the average bear? Hope so

Guest @ 62

I have a news story linked regarding drills and bomb sniffing dogs being present.
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2013/04/bombs-at-boston-marathon.html

There was more then one news story earlier this week. that they have gone away is not a surprise, try using the google cache to see if you can find or search alternative sites?

Re: the younger brother. It appears the police attempted to murder him. IMO.


Posted by: Penny | Apr 21, 2013 7:20:35 PM | 63

"The FBI has also not explained why it did not immediately retrieve the Tsarnaev file after the bombs exploded on Monday afternoon – an event which should have triggered routine checks on those suspected of involvement in with Islamist militant groups.

Even when three days later, when the FBI correctly identified the bombers after reviewing hours of the CCTV footage and public smartphone videos of the race, they failed to cross-reference the photograph with a man whose picture they already had on file.

When contacted by The Daily Telegraph to ask why Tamerlan's file had been overlooked in the aftermath of the bombings, the FBI said it would not comment on "operational matters"."

FOX News is getting in on the action.

Brit Hume ‏@brithume 10h
Without jumping to conclusions, it seems clear the FBI has some explaining to do about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. http://www.boston.com/news/local/2013/04/20/fbi-was-warned-years-ago-alleged-bomber-radical-shift/mprN4HgqqUcYoxlgrWPcOP/story.html
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Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 7:36:07 PM | 64

@64 link The decision to release the photos came after two days of silence from the FBI, during which they tracked down thousands of tips without making an arrest.

--Mon. Apr 15 2:50 pm bombings
--Wed Apr 17 FBI has images of two persons of interest in Boston, bombings, source says
--Thu Apr 18 5:10 pm FBI releases video and photos of suspects which unleashed a wave of violence, TT killed
--Fri Apr 19 evening, DT captured

when did the FBI identify the two men? Anybody know?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 8:26:18 PM | 65

@65

Here is a whole examination of identifications - false and correct - the night of the shootout: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/04/it-wasnt-sunil-tripathi-the-anatomy-of-a-misinformation-disaster/275155/

It would appear that DT & TT were first identified around 4a-5a the morning following the shootout.

Posted by: guest | Apr 21, 2013 8:44:38 PM | 66

@guest
Thanks. The ID probably wasn't done until after the shootout, late Thurs or early Fri, and the names were released early on the morning of Friday April 19. I guess we still don't know exactly how the ID was made, probably a mix of forensics on Tamerlan, some help from Jeff Bauman and possible help from others.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 9:49:03 PM | 67

At least that's what they want us to think.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 10:08:44 PM | 68

At least that's what they want us to think.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 10:09:52 PM | 69

CNN is now describing the Chechen bandits as "Russian Rebels".....

Posted by: georgeg | Apr 21, 2013 10:16:30 PM | 70

"Re: the younger brother. It appears the police attempted to murder him. IMO."

I don't think there is much doubt about that, Penny. But I think that you are wrong to see this episode as being of benefit to the US, and its pawns.

It seems to have accelerated the US government's flight into weird, authoritarian demagogy: no Miranda rights for example, a wholly gratuitous bit of crowd pleasing by a President who is pathetically eager to get the approval of the worst elements in society, and the more they hate him the more he sacrifices to try and please them. Obama, after all is the Senator who did not filibuster the Alito and Roberts nominations that turned the Supreme Court into the nightmare it is today.

As b points out the day when Putin and the Peoples Republic of China could be dismissed as self serving, authoritarian and hopelessly dishonest in their pronouncements lies well in the past. The Pravda of the twenty first century is the Mainstream Media in the USA. And fewer and fewer people believe a word it says.

Meanwhile the excessive reaction of that media to an event which is routine to the point of being unnoticed wherever else the US exerts its influence, in Baghdad or Damascus for example, stands in stark contrast to the collective callousness with which the hunger strikers in Guantanamo Bay are treated. The eyes of the world are on those poor martyrs to racism and cowardice.

To be associated with their brutal treatment, as all US allies are, can do nobody any good.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 21, 2013 10:43:40 PM | 71

Regarding Miranda, all U.S. citizens should know that they don't have to answer police questions.
Just say NO to cops.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21, 2013 10:55:05 PM | 72

Ok folks, the Oklahoma City bombing of '95 comes up on occasion and we conclude McVeigh was a homegrown militia nutcase. True.

But that was a black psyop gone wrong. OKC was supposed to do what 9/11 and post 9/11 psyops eventually did. McVeigh was being "handled" to carry out an "islamic terrorist attack on the homeland". Something he didn't know he was actually doing, because his handlers convinced him he was doing something in the name of Waco. Recall the initial reports of blame being placed on a dark skinned middle-eastern looking type suspiciously leaving the scene. Had McVeigh not been careless driving on the interstate with a bad license plate, the Iraqi invasion and subsequent middle eastern wars would have happened much sooner than 2001. McVeigh was a pawn just as the Boston suspects are pawns.

Posted by: easy e | Apr 21, 2013 11:01:32 PM | 73

don bacon- the info on the saudi alharbi is the most believable story to me.

just like Sep 11 when they flew out the entire bin laden clan.

the fact that debka and beck are discussing this saudi connection is another example of how the interests of the usa and israel do not always match.

the usa wants to cover up for their own interests while israel wants to bring more chaos to the region. i am no fan of the saudis. however, i have always believed that the plan for the zionist spring is comprehensive. ally or not' all the arab states must be destroyed.

Posted by: hilmi | Apr 22, 2013 12:35:19 AM | 74

59) which might be just due to the fact that they were knew war as kids and presumably were trained what to do when bombs went off ...

The FBI would have id'd them pretty soon after the photos and videos were published - 5:10 pm Thursday - they were known by a lot of people in Boston. Let bureaucracy take a while that would be Friday morning.

The whole thing was handled with complete incompetence, relying on expensive modern technology that failed. The utmost joke are those thermal photos - done after they could not find one guy hiding in a boat by helicopter "searching" the neighbourhood, found finally after they let people outside, by the owner who noticed the blood.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 22, 2013 1:20:21 AM | 75

MoA is one site that does focus on the most relevant facts of any case. That is b's work, unfortunately it does set off some strange ideas among the local conspiracists.

So for you conspiracists let me offer my own. At this point it looks pretty clear that the major beneficiary of this whole incident is Russia. They have an opportunity to tell the American people in a very direct way that they are the major victim of Chechen and Dagashan terrorism. They are telling us, welcome to the club.

But is also giving them the opportunity to point out that our ally, Saudi Arabia, have been funding these freaks for more than a decade. Not only that but that the US is actively supporting these freaks in Syria.

So what does this have to do with Boston? It is clear that the Russians had information that Tamarlan was under the influence of their N. Caucasian enemies and that when he applied to visit Russia they sensibly asked the FBI if he was associated with any of the Chechen or Dagashan terrorists groups that have been terrorizing Russia over the last two decades. The FBI gave him a pass. Obviously the Russian's suspicions would not be relieved by that.

Once poor doob Tamarlan showed up in Russia he was likely met by interior police force informants (it used to be KGB but I don't know what they are called today). I am sure that the Russians have learned from the FBI. These fanatic Muslim are such patsies and are so easy to recruit into FBI controlled bombing "conspiracies". I suspect that the Russians started playing this game with Tamarlan. In Russia there is not much benefit for any investigator to frame some poor fool unrelated to their war on terror (after all convicting some idiot unrelated to the real terrorists will not have much effect). However, if they found such a fool there could be tremendous benefit if they could direct them back into the US and do a real terrorist attack.

This seems too obvious. Russia wins big time. The Chechens are revealed to all the world as just another bunch of terrorists (as they are). Perhaps the American people will start to see that US FP is backing Salafi terrorist in Libya and in Syria and in Chechnya. Maybe that will wake up a few folks.

This conspiracy theory suffers from one draw back. What happens if it is revealed? No problem here. Saudi Arabia is so deeply involved in funding the Chechnyans that any revelation will expose that fact. That could lead directly to the killing of Ambassador Stevens in Libya. Not just the FBI but the the CIA and State Department could not allow this story to be revealed.

Basically, Russia has been given a pass.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 22, 2013 1:31:06 AM | 76

"So for you conspiracists let me offer my own."

wow - what a completely condescending wanker you are.

I already thought that you were a bit of a knobhead, by the condescension absolutely dripping from that sentence is astounding, even for one as obviously intellectually challenged as yourself.

I love the direct relationship between those I already consider to be pretty moronic/dishonest vs the level of complete made-up bullshit in their posts. Those given to the most ridiculous speculation are also those I consider to least honest or least intelligent.


Well at least I got something correct, eh?

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 22, 2013 1:50:16 AM | 77

as usual the emptiest heads are making the most noise

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 22, 2013 1:59:07 AM | 78

76) It is clear who profits from this. It is also clear that Jihadi groups are used and penetrated by all sides. Tsarnaevs are a family of Kyrgyz lawyers, I doubt their offspring could be fooled by secret services. If anything, Tamerlan was an agent being set up or gone rogue.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 22, 2013 2:49:42 AM | 79

79) to clarify, anybody who is invested in the "war on terror" profits from this, and these people may be on opposing sides.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 22, 2013 2:56:57 AM | 80

@Toi#76, I like it as a CT. The KGB became the RSFSR at least in most of the resources and manpower. This act cost billions in damage, used Americans as perps and suffered one loss of life opposed to more deaths, many injured with amputations and a huge resource of manpower. In terms of a CT or not, it is a blow and chanting Usa, Usa, is a worry, as they were American, it was on home soil, fingers MIT, Boston, and Gov. If the FBI and agencies did know of a plot, this is even more devastating. The surviving 'domestic terrorist' is intubated and sedated. Russia is willing to help anyway it can, in that Russia has had a hard time getting into MSM, the thing that is the brain of the US general public, this is a gateway, and in turn, people start to explore as Russia is not saying much as it knows curiosity killed the cat. RT NEWS is getting major US traffic, people are asking questions, the question is, do they want truth?

Posted by: kev | Apr 22, 2013 3:15:02 AM | 81

#80 Alexandersson. Finnish most definitely correct. Russophobe very wrong. I happen to believe that the US has been working very hard to undermine the Russian state since the fall of the Soviet Union. We have attacked and insulted that nation continuously since, except when their lackey Yeltsin ruled. The US through its surrogate Saudi Arabia have been working to reduce the Russian Republic even more. The rebellions in the Caucasian states have been supported by Saudi Arabia and the US continuously. The CIA and the US State Department have been working overtime to promote the so called color revolutions on Russia's borders for the last 20 years. I think Russia is entirely within its rights to respond to these continuous provocations against her sovereignty.

I am just pointing out that maybe she has just done so. And, as a measure of America's loss of international influence, Russia may very well get away with it. What will Obama do if it becomes clear that my speculations are true. Start WWIII? Nope. Sanction Russia? Nope again. Try to use the UN to declare Russia a rougue state? Not a chance.

Russia has maybe just used one of America's tools to manipulate world opinion against America itself and we should all sit back and see what happens next.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 22, 2013 3:24:04 AM | 82

82) lets hope so

CR: There are two possible explanations here and may be both apply. One is, as I was just talking to you, there is little idea that if you’re looking for a needle in a haystack the answer is not to put in more hay. So they are collecting lots of data, masses of data, on innocent Americans. That’s all part of this top secret America. Eventually it hurts the ability to hone in on the real critical pieces and this again is what I’ve just mentioned. The other potential explanation is that the idea of terrorism being a confusing concept because we have our terrorists and their terrorists. The definition is supposed to be “acts of violence against civilians for political purposes”, but you see this over and over where the US considers they are good rebels and good freedom fighters at the very least the separatists in other countries are not considered as terrorists. We have a whole establishment, a neoconservative establishment, in the US now which is heavily involved in propagandizing that there are good and bad rebel groups. For instance in Iran, is the latest example, of the Mujahedeen Khalq, which actually was on the US terrorist list and have now been delisted to become the good rebel fighters against Iran.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 22, 2013 3:24:21 AM | 83

LUV the spin the Yahoo's are putting on it - basically it's all Putin's fault

Could This Be Why Some Chechens Think Tsarnaev Brothers Were Framed for Bombings?

This combination of undated photos shows Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, left, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. The FBI says the two brothers and suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing killed an MIT police officer, injured a transit officer in a firefight and threw explosive devices at police during a getaway attempt in a long night of violence that left Tamerlan dead and Dzhokhar still at large on Friday, April 19, 2013.

The ethnic Chechen brothers lived in Dagestan, which borders the Chechnya region in southern Russia. They lived near Boston and had been in the U.S. for about a decade, one of their uncles reported said. Credit: AP
"At least three family members of the alleged Boston Marathon bombers have expressed concerns that brothers Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, are being framed for the attack. The Chechen Republic's president also used language indicating the suspects may be innocent.

Now BuzzFeed Editor-in-Chief Ben Smith is offering a theory trying to explain the conspiracy theories.

The brothers' aunt, Maret Tsarnaeva, told reporters gathered outside her Toronto home on Friday, "I'm suspicious that this was staged. The Picture was staged."

She went even further, alleging a massive conspiracy among those hunting her nephews.

"When you are blowing up people and you want to bring attention to something for some person -- you do that math," she added.

Anzor Tsarnaev, the suspects' father, on Friday said "someone framed them," but he didn't know who. Further, brothers' mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, said her children are "100 percent innocent" and suggested that they have been framed.

>"This is a set up, my son would never ever carry out such terror attack," she said Friday, according to the Daily Mail.
The Chechen Republic's president Ramzan Kadyrov even released an interesting statement about the two suspects, saying "it is evident that special services needed to calm society by any means possible."

The president, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, also wrote: "Any attempt to draw a connection between Chechnya and Tsarnaevs -- if they are guilty -- is futile."

Here's Smith's take on the seemingly paranoid and conspiratorial comments that were coming from Chechens Friday:


This may sound paranoid. But paranoids can have real enemies. And you don't have to be crazy to believe Chechen allegations of baroque and brutal government conspiracies -- at least, not when they're directed at the Russian government.

Reasonable people have directed truly horrendous allegations at President Vladimir Putin and his security services.The former Washington Post reporter David Satter argued convincingly in his 2003 book on Russia, Darkness At Dawn, that the Russian government had directed deadly and incomprehensible bombings of Russian apartment buildings in 1999, which killed 300 people -- to justify a new invasion of Chechnya, and to speed Putin's rise.

"They are ascribing to America things that are familiar to them at home," Satter told BuzzFeed Friday, of the sort of incident that fringe lunatics in the United States claim as "false flag" attacks, and that Russians call "provocations." "It's not surprising that people have reacted that way."

Smith also points out that Tsarnaeva actually cited her experiences as a Chechen when stating her conspiracy theory.

"I am used to being set up. Before I left former Soviet Union countries, that's how I lived," she said.

"That does not, of course, have any bearing on what appears to be an extremely clear case against Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsaraev. It speaks, instead, to what it means to be a citizen of Vladimir Putin's Russia," Smith writes.

The theories could also just be a way to cope with the reality authorities are painting: that these two men are radical terrorists who have become more acquainted with death then family this week. "

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 22, 2013 3:48:21 AM | 84

'We do not strike civilian targets'
the Command of the Mujahideen Vilayat Dagestan IR

this is note true, not in russia or syria...but then Obomber also claims not to struke civilian targets

Posted by: brian | Apr 22, 2013 4:05:43 AM | 85

#77 yah what a completely condescending wanker you are.

You might be right with that arrow, I really am not that polite with fools.

But this: for one as obviously intellectually challenged as yourself.

I offered an original take on the facts of this Boston bombing and subsequent revelations. I threw that out there as an alternative explanation. It might very well be wrong. But why do you think that makes me intellectually challenged? On the contrary it makes me as someone who explores alternative explanations. This, it seems to me, throws the question back at you dear Yah: Why are you threatened by new ideas? Are you threatened by originality? Why is that? Do you live in a world where everyone already knows the answers? I certainly don't. Tell us Yah about that world where the answers are already kown.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 22, 2013 4:06:45 AM | 86

Love the latest "spin" the US media are cooking up

Basically it's all Putin's fault
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/why-chechens-think-tsaraev-brothers-were-framed


This may sound paranoid. But paranoids can have real enemies. And you don't have to be crazy to believe Chechen allegations of baroque and brutal government conspiracies -- at least, not when they're directed at the Russian government.
Reasonable people [?]have directed truly horrendous allegations at President Vladimir Putin and his security services.The former Washington Post reporter David Satter ["Reasonable"? working for the WaPo?] argued convincingly in his 2003 book on Russia, Darkness At Dawn, that the Russian government had directed deadly and incomprehensible bombings of Russian apartment buildings in 1999, which killed 300 people -- to justify a new invasion of Chechnya, and to speed Putin's rise.
"They are ascribing to America things that are familiar to them at home," Satter told BuzzFeed Friday, of the sort of incident that fringe lunatics in the United States claim as "false flag" attacks, and that Russians call "provocations." "It's not surprising that people have reacted that way."

Smith also points out that Tsarnaeva actually cited her experiences as a Chechen when stating her conspiracy theory.
"I am used to being set up. Before I left former Soviet Union countries, that's how I lived," she said
.
"That does not, of course, have any bearing on what appears to be an extremely clear case against Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsaraev. It speaks, instead, to what it means to be a citizen of Vladimir Putin's Russia," Smith writes.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 22, 2013 4:27:21 AM | 87

ToivoS

Even if the Russians had to gain anything from such an infamous plot - which they do not - the price has to be seen, too.

While the average (or, more probably, 97%) american doesn't have any sensible clue where Chechenia might be, this can be most simply (of short-lived) changed by hammering into their heads "a part of Russia")

All most americans will "understand" is something like "Russia is sending terrorists to bomb usa cities!".

Furthermore your CT is based on american double-faced thinking ("Preach against terror and practise it yourself"). Unlike most american politicians Putin has a brain and some ethical standards. If Putin condems terrorism (which he does) then he will sure enough not engage in any form of terrorism.

Third, saudi arabia is a breed between a whore, a dictator and a dog. Why on earth should Putin give so much as a birdshit about what saudi arabia thinks or doesn't think or does or doesn't do.

Actually the game works the other way around: Putin - finally - has the usa to eat their own dirt. He didn't do anything more than to have someone discretely hint that Boston is the comparably nice version of what those terrorists payed by the usa usually do elsewhere.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Apr 22, 2013 4:32:21 AM | 88

Bevin: "I don't think there is much doubt about that, Penny. But I think that you are wrong to see this episode as being of benefit to the US, and its pawns"


Time will tell Bevin. It's odd though, despite the clarity with which Ariel Cohen summarized all the problems with Russia you think this is going to benefit Russia?

"As b points out the day when Putin and the Peoples Republic of China could be dismissed as self serving, authoritarian and hopelessly dishonest in their pronouncements lies well in the past"

Is that day well in the past? In your opinion. Sure.
In my opinion?? I don't have much good to say about government, anytime, anywhere....
But in Jane and John Q public's opinion? No! That day is not well in the past.

People accept "authority" unquestioningly.That fact was not made clear enough to you via the cheering hordes of the mindless?

As for the faith you appear to show in Obama??

" a President who is pathetically eager to get the approval of the worst elements in society, and the more they hate him the more he sacrifices to try and please them. "

You portray Obama as a victim. He is not a victim. He is a perpetrator and is very aware of that which he does

He wasn't given the Nobel peace prize for no good reason
It was done, the nomination, just 12 days after Obombin' was put in office to create a perception in the mind of the rubes.

Posted by: Penny | Apr 22, 2013 7:01:27 AM | 89

@penny, avid reader of your site, well done! Great food for thought. I do have problems posting for some odd reason, the 'blogger' site verification is the PI for me and just does not work! Anyhow, your last reminded me of Clinton, (the female of the species), when in 2011-12 stated the next terrorist wave will be on water resources, in that, every event linked to oil or nuclear is related, in addition most of the partners (US) are dry states, both Libya and Syria are have this connect, Libya with an epic underground development, and Syria having the source (Golan) since you are a dogged researcher, it would be interesting to see your findings. I am sure as a commodity, its value is astounding in the next two decades, and is part of the dots...

Posted by: kev | Apr 22, 2013 7:24:19 AM | 90

Hey Kev

I have no doubt that water will be the next commodity..
And that water is part of the Syrian and Libyan destabilization, control.

Water: It falls into just another resource to be exploited for mass profit and taxation..

You can actually get a sense of that going on already in the US in particular..

Canada, not so much..yet.

Thanks and were you the individual that made the comment about silver?
It was a kev or kevin,but, I do realize that is common name

As for blogger's verification. For the first 4.5 years there was no moderation and I had no verification, but, then I inherited two scummy trolls and it has been necessary ever since


Posted by: Penny | Apr 22, 2013 7:35:45 AM | 91

Kev or Kevin, yes love the affordable aspect of silver as well as its values, and uses. Gold is overrated, tacky, and on a monthly wage just that tad untouchable for 99%.

Posted by: kev | Apr 22, 2013 9:47:32 AM | 92

Craig Murray weighs in:

That is the official story and I have no doubt it did not happen. I know Russia and I know the Russian security services. Whatever else they may be, they are extremely well-equipped, experienced and efficient and embedded into a social fabric accustomed to cooperation with their mastery. This scenario is simply impossible in the real world.

We have, by the official account, the involvement of the two Tsarnaev brothers, the FBI and the Russian security services. The FBI have a massive recent record of running agent provocateur operations to entrap gullible Muslims into terrorism. The Russian security services have form on false flag Chechen bombings. Where the truth lies may be difficult to dig out. But the above official version is not true.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 22, 2013 9:54:58 AM | 93

@ 91: "Water: It falls into just another resource to be exploited for mass profit and taxation.."

Yes Penny, for me, therein lies the game afoot. Corporate hegemony in global resources, with Governments being captured, and their resources (military etc.) being used to achieve such a goal. The USA in particular, fits this model.

Posted by: ben | Apr 22, 2013 9:58:55 AM | 94

The uncle of the Tsarnaiev brothers:

Ruslan Tsarni ... Ruslan Z. Tsarni - Vice President, Business Development & Corporate Secretary Mr. Ruslan Z. Tsarni, a U.S. citizen, has over 10 years of professional experience in oil and gas legislation and corporate law. Previously, Mr. Tsarni served as Corporate Counsel of Nelson Resources Limited Group of companies, as well as Managing Director of several of its operating subsidiaries, responsible for all matters relating to corporate governance and placements and filing requirements under the securities regulations of Toronto Stock Exchange and AIM.He worked with financial institutions and banks on raising funds for acquisition and development of the assets operated by Nelson's subsidiaries, as well as managed legal and administrative matters for all such subsidiaries.From 1999 to 2001, Mr. Tsarni worked as Head of Legal Affairs of Golden Eagle Partners LLC where he developed downstream and upstream oil and gas businesses in Kazakhstan and served as Managing Director of its wholly owned subsidiary Tobe LLP.From 1998 to 1999 Mr. Tsarni worked as Senior Associate with Salans Hertzfeld & Heilbronn providing legal advise to major multinational companies on different aspects of Kazakhstan legal issues on development of mineral resources, corporations, taxation, currency, customs, employment, banking, bankruptcy and trade marks.From 1994 to 1996, Mr. Tsarni served as a consultant for Financial Markets International LLC and Arthur Andersen LLP contracted by USAID for projects aimed to develop securities markets in Central Asia, where he trained corporate governance and corporate finance principals to state and private companies."

Posted by: somebody | Apr 22, 2013 10:12:36 AM | 95

"@ 91: "Water: It falls into just another resource to be exploited for mass profit and taxation.."

Yes Penny, for me, therein lies the game afoot"

The games been afoot for quite sometime.

Every war that Israel has fought since 1967 has had access to their neighbours water supplies as one of it's defining characteristics. The fact that it does not get reported that way is solid testament to the power of the Pro-Zionist operatives in the MSM

Posted by: yah . . But | Apr 22, 2013 10:16:31 AM | 96

@ 96: "The games been afoot for quite sometime."

Absolutely true. IMO, Israel is the empire's proxy in the middle east. Always has been, always will be.

Posted by: ben | Apr 22, 2013 10:24:57 AM | 97

Photos: Private military operatives hired to 'work' the Boston marathon with black backpacks, radiation detectors, tactical gear

See also here:

"Contractors" at Boston Marathon Stood Near Bomb, Left Before Detonation

Not endorsing the conspiracy theories, but what were these guys doing? Who paid them? Why is there nothing about them in the MSM?

Posted by: b | Apr 22, 2013 10:30:38 AM | 98

@ yah . . . But

Stop attacking other commentators here or you WILL get banned.

Posted by: b | Apr 22, 2013 10:31:28 AM | 99

tbh I'm quite surprised that I have survived this long, before a ban-warning was issued

Posted by: yah . . But | Apr 22, 2013 10:41:04 AM | 100

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