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April 19, 2013

Following The Boston Hunt

Updates below (last 2:00pm)

It is pretty amazing that I can follow the bomber hunt in Boston from Germany minute by minute through live TV, live Boston police scanner and via several twitter streams. There is even a Google map to follow the various incidents.

According to AP the two suspects of the marathon bombing are Chechen brothers from Russia's Daghestan. The area like Chechnya has been a hotbed that has exported Jihadists to allegedly Afghanistan, Syria and now probably the U.S. too. There is no need for Obama to bomb that country though. These brothers have been living in the U.S. for several years plus Putin already did that.

It seems they robbed a 7/11 at around 10:30pm local time somewhere near Cambridge.

Next an MIT police officer gets killed in his car with several shots.

The two suspects then highjack a Mercedes SUV and its driver. After 30 minutes the car driver is led out at a gas station.

Police pursue the Mercedes SUV to Watertown. The car rams a police car and a violent shoot out develops through which the suspects throw some grenades at the police. One of the suspects gets shot multiple times and also receives shrapnel from the explosives. One policemen is also shot. The wounded suspects dies on the way to the hospital. The officer is seriously wounded. There is some video and a photo of the intense shoot out.

The second suspect flees in the car.

Police puts Watertown under lockdown and started searching houses in the area. Public transport in Boston is shut down.

At 6:30am some black sedan is stopped by police at Charles Circle in Boston. Lots of police is send there though it is unclear what happened.

The fleeing suspect is now identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev (this Djohar Tsarnaev?), aged 19, who has been living with his brother and sister in Cambridge, Mass. for several years. His dead brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev had a youtube channel. The last channel he subscribed to is titled "Allah is the One". He also links to several AQ or Jihadist videos. That does not mean that we know why these folks did what they did.

Update 8:00am

All of Boston is now ordered under lockdown. People are supposed to stay home. All public traffic, including taxis, has been shut down.

Tamerlan Tasarnaev, photographed as Will Box For Passport, has been in the U.S. for at least 5 years. On one of the photos caption he is quoted: "I don't have a single American friend, I don't understand them." He wanted to learn how to fake IDs.

In 2011 Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev received a Cambridge city scholarship.

Police radio traffic just warning extreme caution when approaching subject. Possible "suicide vest".

Update 8:55am

SWAT teams are currently surrounding a few houses in Watertown.

Update 2:00 pm

Search in Watertown ongoing but the guy probably got away.

The WSJ has a pretty good fact collection about the brothers.

There is still no proof that these guys were the marathon bombers. It seems likely but not more.

There is still no known motive, just speculations about motives.

Everyone who knew the brothers thinks it is impossible for them to do such a thing.

What is the religion of the owner of the neglected fertilizer factory that blew up in Texas?

Posted by b on April 19, 2013 at 07:11 AM | Permalink

Comments

"According to AP the two suspects of the marathon bombing are Chechen brothers"

I called this. Unbelievable!

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2013/04/bombs-at-boston-marathon.html


"In all my years blogging, I recall a ball bearing attack taking place at a Moscow airport.

Suspect in Moscow Airport bombing, reported dead months ago?!

The suspect held extremist Wahhabi ideologies. So we are talking Chechen, most likely.
His family claimed at the time he ( alleged bomber)was already dead.
Perhaps he was? Perhaps he wasn't?

Why am I rehashing such old news at this time?
With all the tit for tat going on between the US and Russia. And the obvious intent of the US to destabilize Russia.... Let me put it this way, if Russia got the frame/ blame, I would not be the least bit surprised.
Not at this critical juncture."

Posted by: Penny | Apr 19, 2013 7:44:26 AM | 1

Did they pick up the grenades at the 7-11?

Car chase, shoot out...how very American

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Apr 19, 2013 7:52:02 AM | 2

yeah, the story has big holes, the guy looks like a normal kid to me

Posted by: somebody | Apr 19, 2013 7:58:57 AM | 3

Chechen brothers? Is that the same place where many of the Saudi, US, Qatari, British, Turkish, and French funded Wahabi/Salafi terrorists in Syria come from? The irony!

Posted by: Amar | Apr 19, 2013 8:55:56 AM | 4

@somebody -

Regarding the picture with the caption "Dzhokhar Tsarnaev with a friend" in the article you have linked to in your post: loook over the young man's shoulder. On the stove there is something that looks suspiciously like a PRESSURE COOKER.

Quick! Somebody tell Wolf Blintzer!

Posted by: friday | Apr 19, 2013 9:05:42 AM | 5

friday @5 - If that's a pressure cooker then I'm Pamela Anderson. It looks like a stock pot to me.

Posted by: blowback | Apr 19, 2013 9:17:56 AM | 6

"I'm not exaggerating when I say that one of the happiest days of my life was when I called Ilyas to tell him that he would be able to stay in America," said Zbigniew Brzezinski

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyas_Akhmadov

Posted by: gantz | Apr 19, 2013 9:24:56 AM | 7

let's ban a pressure cookers.

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 9:24:56 AM | 8

they've been living in the US for many years (I heard 10) ... and they're basically teenagers...

there's got to be much more to this story

Posted by: anon | Apr 19, 2013 9:47:11 AM | 9

anatol lieven and thomas de waal, with some background info:

http://carnegieendowment.org/files/PB35.lieven.FINAL.pdf

they write: "Terror tactics adopted by jihadis in Chechnya have been propagated by video and the Internet and adopted elsewhere, including in Iraq. This link with international jihadi terrorism should be of direct concern to Western governments because they must face the possibility that the next soft target of North Caucasian terrorism could be a Western one."

Posted by: anon | Apr 19, 2013 9:56:46 AM | 10

So does this mean Russian and US are one on this? - Chechnya where many of it's leaders are trained and indoctrinated in CIA? - Confused...

Posted by: Kev | Apr 19, 2013 10:04:07 AM | 11

@11 Very confusing. IF these guys are the culprits it should show what Putin (and Assad) are dealing with.

Posted by: dh | Apr 19, 2013 10:10:51 AM | 12

More of this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017112984

Posted by: ben | Apr 19, 2013 10:11:44 AM | 13

There might be a link to Syria - scroll down for the video

Which brings us back to the Al Qeida Syrian PR campaign and that someone seemingly wants to convince the Western public that something has to be done.

Where are they supposed to have got military training ? - Turkey says they spent 10 days in Turkey 10 years ago and have no connection to the country - and who was helping them - Dzhokhar Tsarnaev seems to have escaped the police after a fight and driving towards New York which is a remarkable feat for a lone guy.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 19, 2013 10:34:24 AM | 14

Kev @ 11

"So does this mean Russian and US are one on this?"

No.
What this means is the US could blame this on Russia
depends which angle they play Islamist or Russian

- Chechnya where many of it's leaders are trained and indoctrinated in CIA? -

Chechnya is one of the home turfs of the Islamist Nato merc army. They flow between Turkey/Georgia/SA. Likely Israel is involved in this creative flow

"Confused... "

understandable
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!

Posted by: Penny | Apr 19, 2013 10:58:33 AM | 15

@9

Actually, it leads me to believe that there's much less to this story. A couple of lone wolves who for all intents and purposes are American.

Educated, decent family, loners nonetheless. It's the same story as so many young mass shooters in the US. Just that these guys decided to use a couple of homemade rucksack bombs for spectacular effect.

Originating from an area associated with Islamic extremism hasn't helped the media orgy - it enables the men to be portrayed as terrorists and justify the continued 'war on terror'. But the only people left terrorising local residents are SWAT teams pointing guns in peoples faces and forcing them to stay inside.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Apr 19, 2013 11:04:48 AM | 16

https://twitter.com/Dzhokhar_

The guy has 2995 followers and 3 (three) twits!!??
Account created Dec. 17, guess, last year.

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 11:06:11 AM | 17

kev @ 11

check my latest post
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2013/04/wow-chechens-in-boston-framing-russia.html

I added a link at the bottom that takes you back to an older post
In that post is a bunch of info on the chech/turkey georgian terror pipeline

One link is to the Jamestown foundation

Quoting a bit from that..

Turkish Volunteers in Chechnya
Publication: Terrorism Monitor Volume: 3 Issue: 7
May 5, 2005 11:46

For several years Kremlin spokespersons have identified Turkey as the primary source of foreign jihadi volunteers (always referred to as naemniky, "mercenaries" in official proclamations) fighting alongside their Chechen adversaries. One spokesman claimed "We keep killing armed Turkish citizens on Chechen territory" and another described Turkey as "a record breaker for producing foreign mercenaries killed in Chechnya." [1] While skeptics might be tempted to dismiss such claims as mere bluster in light of Turkey's well known secular tendencies, the evidence is mounting that Turkish volunteer fighters make up a sizeable component of the foreign element fighting alongside the indigenous Chechen insurgents in Russia.


While it is widely recognized that the 100-200 foreign jihadis fighting alongside the approximately 1,200 Chechen insurgents are led by Arab emirs (commanders) such as the slain Amir Khattab (a Saudi whose mother was Turkish according to jihadist websites), Abu Walid (Saudi killed April 2004), and Abu Hafs al Urdani (aka "Amjet" a Jordanian), the Russian government has consistently maintained that Turks play a prominent role among the foreign "terrorists" in Chechnya. [2]

To support their claims, Russian security services have produced Turkish passports found on the bodies of several slain fighters and have given the names and personal details of Turkish jihadis killed in Chechnya. Among others, Russian spokespersons referenced one Ziya Pece, a Turk who was found dead with a grenade launcher following a fire fight with Federal forces. Russian officials have also provided detailed information on 24 Turkish fighters killed between 1999 and 2004, and Russian soldiers in Chechnya have spoken of engaging a unit of 40 skilled Turkish fighters. [3] If this were not compelling enough evidence, Russian security forces have also produced a living Turkish jihadi named Ali Yaman who was captured in the Chechen village of Gekhi-Chu

A Turkish Platoon in Chechnya


Surprisingly, this evidence is not refuted by Chechen or Turkish jihadi sources and on the contrary has been corroborated on such forums as the kavkaz.org website produced by Arab and Chechen extremists linked to the field commander Shamil Basayev. The following excerpt from a kavkaz interview with a Turkish jihadi commander in Chechnya is illuminating and suggests the existence of a Turkish jamaat known as the "Ottoman platoon" in the Arab-dominated International Islamic Brigade (it also corroborates the above Russian claim that Federal forces have killed 24 Turks in Chechnya)

etc., etc.,

So it is most interesting that the alleged boston bombers have both Turkish and Russia (Chech/Dag) citizenship
Along with US.

Western media is pushing long term US residency
There is information to the otherwise. Short term residency is more credible. Chechens are also present in Syria fighting the SAA and killing regular Syrians


Posted by: Penny | Apr 19, 2013 11:16:11 AM | 18

Kev @ 11

I did leave an additional comment here for you, which looked to have posted but is now gone??

Left some info for you at my place

Perhaps the comment will still show up here?

Posted by: Penny | Apr 19, 2013 11:24:06 AM | 19

Jesus. Wake me up when news sites and blogs start talking about something other than the firecracker in Boston. You know wars in Syria, Spring offensive starting in Afghanistan, makings of a color revolution in Venezuela.

Read my fill of Americans pissing their pants over a teenager armed with a pressure cooker. Closing down an entire city shows what a cowardly nation they have become. You`d swear the guy had a nuke in his backpack.

Posted by: Colm O` Toole | Apr 19, 2013 11:24:19 AM | 20

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/18/soros-george-b-aug-idUSL2N0CR1TF20130418

"Reuters: George Soros Dies at XX?"

An article can not be found now. But it is here: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/04/soros-is-dead-whoops-not-reuters-pulled-trigger-early.html

Accident? Right.

On the other site the title says: "Gold Daily and Silver Weekly Charts - 'Orchestrated Panic'"

Nato's Strategy of Tension in its best.

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 11:26:19 AM | 21

https://twitter.com/Dzhokhar_

From his account we can see he is studying Law

His Father:

"My son is a true angel," the elder Tsarnaev said. He said his son was "an intelligent boy" who was studying medicine.

"We expected him to come on holidays here," he said.

"They were set up, they were set up!" he exclaimed. "I saw it on television; they killed my older son Tamerlan."

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 11:34:37 AM | 22

I suspect, and hope I'm wrong, that all this world-wide front-page real-time publicity, posing as news, about these two terrorists might inspire others to get their 24 hours of fame.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2013 11:35:56 AM | 23

https://twitter.com/Dzhokhar_

He received "foreign military training" at age of 9!

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 11:46:16 AM | 24

19) yeah, that is the truly amazing part of it.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 19, 2013 11:56:07 AM | 25

Careful with twitter accounts. Easily faked. Even old ones can simply be renamed. Followship can be bought.

Posted by: b | Apr 19, 2013 11:57:49 AM | 26

25) make that 20)

There seems to be a third person arrested according to some news. The police does not act as if it is a lone guy.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 19, 2013 12:11:24 PM | 27

'b'. u need see this!

https://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/325242992124387330/photo/1

Posted by: GPC | Apr 19, 2013 12:21:28 PM | 28

Door to Door Search, Boston area in lockdown in bombing aftermath. For One guy?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=842_1366381433

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 12:30:15 PM | 29

Neretva 43 29

yep hard to believe but when there's gun play and car chases, the police will push that hollywood shit as far as they possibly can.

Posted by: heath | Apr 19, 2013 1:00:20 PM | 30

CBS Morning News with John McCain discussing terrorists coming from Eastern Europe. JM revisiting WWI,"after all it started in the Balkans"...Hah....and where are the "Friends of Chechnya" now......

Posted by: georgeg | Apr 19, 2013 1:10:18 PM | 31

this is deeper and more complex than that Prof. Stephen Graham wrote book: "Cities Under Siege: The New Military Urbanism". http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/blog_comments/the_new_military_urbanism

and this is exactly what is going on now.

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 1:13:06 PM | 32

besides regular law enforcement you have mercenaries from The Craft Int. founded by Chris Kyle who allegedly killed 160 Iraqis. I do not believe in this myth or anything what they say.

http://www.naturalnews.com/039980_The_Craft_photos_communications_van.html

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 1:28:44 PM | 33

Suspect 1. died at Beth Israel hospital and the physician who attended to him AT THE HOSPITAL when he conveniently died was in Watertown at the time as he stated he heard the shots and went to the hospital in case he was needed. Whuuut? How did he get out of Watertown that was in lockdown and get to the hospital in time to treat this high-level suspect who died?

Also, I heard on ABC News that one of the suspects tweeted a picture of the marathon bombing and wrote "fake story". Then on CNNs site I read that he wrote "fake story" for another reason. Someone needs to get a hold of the tweet and get the real story about this tweet.

Also, there are pictures of security detail dressed alike in beige pants and shoes with Black caps and jackets at the finish line of the marathon before the bombing. Why were these Blackwater-type security agents hired to patrol the marathon. Is this usual procedure? Or did someone know something might be going down.

Something doesn't jive here. There are too many strange elements in this. Were these kids recruited and BY WHOM? I'm just hearing now on ABC News that the younger guy recently started hanging out with guys with expensive cars and expensive shoes who flashed a lot of money.

I don't believe they were recruited by Al-Qaeda, sorry. I think something else is going on here. The question is: Were these kids lured into executing a FALSE FLAG for someone else?

Posted by: kalithea | Apr 19, 2013 1:37:55 PM | 34

yep, it does not rhyme.

Why would they draw attention robbing a convenience store when they knew they had to hide?

A representative for 7-Eleven told ABC News later today the police were apparently mistaken, because their store was not the one robbed.

And how did this come about?

Citing the skill with which the suspects engaged police, federal law enforcement sources said they believe the men likely had paramilitary training.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 19, 2013 1:52:31 PM | 35

This story is just going to get more interesting, if the facts don't add up watch this just blow up in the face of Odummy.

Posted by: Fernando | Apr 19, 2013 2:52:52 PM | 36

One of the brothers from Kyrgyzstan which is far from Chechnya. Commondreams article:
<http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/04/19-2>

Posted by: JohnE | Apr 19, 2013 2:54:05 PM | 37

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17826502-an-empty-metropolis-bostonians-share-photos-of-deserted-streets?lite

look at this? I was in war, real war, for four years and never seen city like this one.

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 2:55:23 PM | 38

Ban pressure cookers on airplanes! Apologies for the levity, akin to gruesome Doctor humor, hysterical and hollow laughter. Sorry.

As I read it so far (b’s post and for ex. on USA today, just standard news, link below), the story in the MSM is quite believable. I’m not saying it is true - who can know that - and certainly a clear motive is lacking. But a motive is often missing, or comes down to the unexplainable, hazard, weirdness. Breivik, far more successful (in deadly terms) flamboyant, organized and clever, had no real ‘motive’ understandable to most, though he wrote hundreds of pages for ppl to analyze, and actually wanted to expostulate and convince. He was judged insane, and then that judgment was reversed, etc.

The contrast is the shoe bomber, Richard Reid, and the underwear bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who were both, clearly, and *right from the start* imho, very obviously manipulated patsies. See also the Glasgow International airport attack, and many others.

Not all so called ‘terrorist’ attacks are equal...

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 19, 2013 3:29:57 PM | 39

i'm just waiting for the little line, dropped in as an afterthought, that 'the two were in contact with an undercover officer' prior to the bombing.

Posted by: heath | Apr 19, 2013 3:44:36 PM | 41

40) it is absolutely believable, just the reaction of the Boston police is strange.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 19, 2013 4:21:01 PM | 42

the Jamestown foundation worried that Cechnya might get blamed ...

In any case, the Boston police already have made a mistake in their preliminary analysis of the brothers, stating that the suspects may have received martial skills, including the ability to make Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) in Chechnya. They were not present in Chechnya, either during the first war (1994-1995) or during the second war in Chechnya that started in September 1999. The brothers would not have been able to receive any type of fighting or military experience because of their age. Their family emigrated to the US when the eldest brother was only 16. Taking into account that before their move to the US they had lived in Russia for two years and prior to that they had resided for one year in Dagestan, it is hard to see their connection to militants operating in Chechnya or elsewhere in the North Caucasus.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 19, 2013 4:29:37 PM | 43

WCVB reporting that the suspects stopped at the 7/11 to get gas, but did not rob it.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 19, 2013 4:31:17 PM | 44

43) Do you ever recall a whole city shut down because of one heavily armed criminal on the run? Doing house to house searches you would do in a hostile environment but not with people living in the houses prepared to tell you when they spot something suspicious?

Posted by: somebody | Apr 19, 2013 4:52:15 PM | 45

Funny.

I've met americans critical of their country (OK, OK, very very few). And I've met people wanting to go and live there. No matter, what one told them, they were like obsessed by their disney-perfect usa-image.

That's the first point where this whole bullshit brakes. Two youngsters coming from Daghestan and now living in the usa, one of them studying with a scholarship, will very definitely not place a bomb there.
What will they do? Well, they will happily dedicate their time if asked by their new wunderful country to, for instance, help out at some major event in their city. Asking them "Would you kindly help out at the marathon" will work. Asking them to put a bomb will definitely not work.

Here's what happened as I see it:

Years ago some Daghestanis try to get immigration aproval for the wunderful disney-usa. Of course, this is refused. Their uncle, however, made it. He and some others tell them, that coming from Daghestan (Muslim = terrorist) their chances are close to zero. But coming from Turkey (saecular half-way muslim and useful nato-idiot) might work. So, that's what they do.
At that point in time (usa already deeply in "war on terror" = war on not-buyable, pliant muslims) some cia guy looking through immigration applications spots the brothers. Daghestanis might be useful. Could be sold as Chechens (as every american knows, chechenia is province of Iran or som'n like that and sure as hell filled with american hating muslim jihadists). So he arranges for them to be stamped O.K.

Years later it's pay-time. The obama democracy needs a terror attack to push their drone and gun-control agenda. So they scan their terrorist-patsy candidates files and come up with the brothers from "chechenia". "Listen guys, time to help your country. We need some smart good-hearted guys to help out at the marathon. Your job's easy. Just have a watchful eye for bad people, will you?" - "Yes, sir, my pleasure. I'll be there".

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Apr 19, 2013 4:58:19 PM | 46

@somebody 42

Could well be that the cops (either federal or local) were on another one of their sting operations using disaffected lonely losers and much to their horror, found a couple of dudes who were competent. And the cops had to resort to extremes to tidy up.

Posted by: heath | Apr 19, 2013 4:58:27 PM | 47

@heath
you still do not get it? don't you see that ruling class exercise its ultimate sovereign right: monopole on force. Simply this is drill, this all has nothing to do with so-called explosion, demonstration of the physical force thorough (para) military means. Ruling class living in fear.

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 5:22:29 PM | 48

It seems appropriate to remind ourselves that the US and Britain have been supporting Chechen "opposition" leaders (which the Russians have declared "terrorists" since the 1990s.

Ahmed Zakaev was given asylum in England and the US funded and also granted and promoted the asylum of the Ilya Akhmadov. The American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC) (a neocon group consisting of the usual list of suspects) have provided these characters with political support. And today of course we all know the the CIA is providing support for the Jihadist that include many Chechens in Syria.

John Laughland provides a good summary here: http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc0410/chechengu.htm

This is becoming just too transparent. US supports international terrorism, they use this support to attack the US, the people then cower in fear in their homes while our government uses the fear to exert even more control over the population. It seems obvious. When will the US people wake up?

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 19, 2013 5:31:35 PM | 49

48) ok. heath you are right - this is what you are looking for -

their mother says Tamerlan was controlled by the FBI because of his religious activities, visiting them at home

Posted by: somebody | Apr 19, 2013 5:33:36 PM | 50

Heath I think you must be at least a little right. The mother and the father are wild cards in all of this and will be hard to silence(see somebody's post).

The father was quoted early this morning; 'they were framed'.

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 19, 2013 6:22:05 PM | 51

strategia della tensione...

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19, 2013 6:41:26 PM | 52

@ ToivoS #50
In support, information on ACPC which the neocons supported against Russia much as they did the mujahideen in Afghanistan.
re: The American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus (ACPC), "a project of Freedom House, coordinates with an international network of human rights and democracy advocates, journalists, scholars and nongovernmental organizations to advocate for and support human rights in the North Caucasus."

Guardian, Sep 8, 2004
The Chechens' American friends [ACPC}
by John Laughland (excerpt)

The Washington neocons' commitment to the war on terror evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own The list of the self-styled "distinguished Americans" who are its members is a rollcall of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusastically support the "war on terror".

They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be "a cakewalk"; Midge Decter, biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation; Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of regime change in Iran; and R James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush's plans to re-model the Muslim world along pro-US lines.

The ACPC heavily promotes the idea that the Chechen rebellion shows the undemocratic nature of Putin's Russia, and cultivates support for the Chechen cause by emphasising the seriousness of human rights violations in the tiny Caucasian republic.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2013 7:03:39 PM | 53

Full story here
Chechen Terrorists and the Neocons
by By Coleen Rowley, Consortium News

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2013 7:08:48 PM | 54

I didn't mean bye-bye Coleen Rowley. Quite the opposite.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2013 7:10:19 PM | 55

"The ACPC heavily promotes the idea that the Chechen rebellion shows the undemocratic nature of Putin's Russia, and cultivates support for the Chechen cause by emphasising the seriousness of human rights violations in the tiny Caucasian republic"

And this my friends is how a stopped clock rules the world.

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 19, 2013 7:20:53 PM | 56

American Committee for Peace in Chechnya

Formerly called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya, the American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus (ACPC) is a project of Freedom House that claims to be "dedicated to monitoring developments in the region and providing expert analysis of their implications for security, stability and the human rights situation."[1]

ACPC was founded in 1999 by Freedom House, a neoconservative organization that has worked closely with the U.S. government, receiving funds from the National Endowment for Democracy and other U.S. democratization initiatives. ACPC updated its name to include the broader region after conflicts erupted between Russia and other Caucasus enclaves such as Ingushetia, Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia and North Ossetia.[2]

ACPC's activities include organizing public education programs, developing policy recommendations for lawmakers, and collaborating with activists, journalists, and scholars. It also works closely with a range of nongovernmental policy groups and think tanks, including the neoconservative policy outfit the American Enterprise Institute and the right-wing Jamestown Foundation. The committee distributes a weekly email news service and newsletter entitled News of the Week. ACPC's web site contains a news archive, policy papers relating to the U.S. role in the Caucasus, and academic papers, maps, and photos of the conflict.

Glen Howard, the president of the Jamestown Foundation, also serves as ACPC's executive director.[3] Howard previously worked as a military analyst for Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), a high-tech defense contractor, and has served as a consultant for the Department of Defense, National Intelligence Council, and "major oil companies operating in Central Asia and the Middle East."[4]
cont.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2013 7:23:13 PM | 57

The publications of Howard’s two organizations often overlap. For example, the Jamestown Foundation produces North Caucasus Weekly, an ezine that features contributions by ACPC board members.[5] ACPC’s website is typically dominated by reposts from Jamestown. Both groups also work extensively with Soviet defectors and Chechen dissidents.

ACPC's board of directors has included both Democratic and Republican elites, including Zbigniew Brzezinski, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Steven J. Solarz, and Max Kampelman. The committee's more than one hundred members has also reflected a wide political spectrum, including such figures as Richard Gere, Morton Abramowitz, and the late Geraldine Ferraro. However, membership is overwhelmingly hawkish, and many high-profile neoconservatives, some associated with the Project for the New American Century, have featured on its membership rolls, including Richard Perle, Frank Gaffney, Elliott Abrams, Midge Decter, William Kristol, Michael Ledeen, and James Woolsey.[6]

ACPC supports the Chechen rebel movement, apparently as a strategy to weaken Russia and establish better U.S. ties in a region of increasing geopolitical value, which has vast, unexploited natural resource reserves including rich oil, gas, and hard mineral deposits.[7]

ACPC is perhaps the only U.S.-based organization in which national security militarists and neoconservatives openly support an insurgent movement that is not only nationalist but also largely Islamist.[8] Although ACPC notes its concern about human rights violations and issues of self-determination, far more attention appears to be given to simply advancing U.S. geopolitics by weakening Russia and China.[9]

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2013 7:24:14 PM | 58

its nice to take a stab in the dark and not get yourself. But it was an educated stab since a lot of sting operations run by the cops were 'problematic'.
Anyway its sounds as thought they have shot and killed the 2nd guy hiding in a boat so that cleans that up.

Posted by: heath | Apr 19, 2013 7:31:56 PM | 59

Pay no attention to the patsies who are on the lam. They were most likely double-crossed in the typical style. This is a cartoon from a gazillion American action films , the Hollywood dreck that has washed over the mindless consumers since forever. We are being conditioned for martial law now; and this is the predictable scenario of a fascist state. The regurgitation on the propaganda box claimed that disgruntled homegrown yokels and gun toting types are bound to be at the root of this evil.

No sooner had the blood coagulated on the sidewalks,--when wonder of wonders--, we hear Defense Chief Hagel testifying before some congress people, that not a single American should worry, because if the police think they can't handle things, --rest assured that they can get on the horn and call on the fucking Army. Yes sir, the Army, the Army on your streets; so put your Posse Comitatus and hundreds of years of American political tradition in the old cedar chest at haul it up to the attic, --because this is now just a phone call away. Put the Republic to bed. Like Bill Hicks said, "Go back to sleep America. Do exactly as we say." "Go back to sleep America..."

Anyone who thinks this is anything but a stage set has not been paying attention.

Posted by: Copeland | Apr 19, 2013 7:44:23 PM | 60

The army has been on the street for some time now. In my town they go full Iraq for people selling dimebags or stealing beer. There is no discernable difference between the army and the police now. The only gulf I can see is that the army may still be slightly less ideological wrt American citizens. But even the bodies are the same. (I learned last night via the Boston police scanners that civilians = 'bodies', cops(in a back up scenario) = 'fresh blood'

So I guess it's all blood and guts from here on out, until we overthrow this religion of maximum carnage.

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 19, 2013 7:55:49 PM | 61

Dear gods, in addition to the other absurdities, what a waste of funds and resources. Are we really so inept that it takes thousands of federal, state and local police resources to find one alleged miscreant on the run?

Posted by: Maxcrat | Apr 19, 2013 8:00:26 PM | 62

Uncle $ & Copeland,

As I see it, yep, right on! Prepare for the panopticon. Or meekly go back to sleep.

Posted by: juannie | Apr 19, 2013 8:16:45 PM | 63

Sen. Lindsey Graham: Boston bombing “is Exhibit A of why the homeland is the battlefield”

“They were radicalized somewhere, somehow.” Regardless of whether they are international or “homegrown,” he said,

This is exactly what the Ruling Class is looking for. Usage of abstractions is prominent, governed need no more. Line is blurred it gives them room for maneuvering in security/oppression arena, what always they have hated is when nationalistic and developmental regimes, like the late Chavez, calling upon Sovereignty. Although I am sure this notion isn't going to work with Russia.

9.000 (para)militaries were engaged in this lockdown in Boston and Watertown. It's like a two brigades. Obviously this has nothing to do with "terrorism".


Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 8:22:12 PM | 64

What Is the Threshold for Martial Law?

It seems simple enough. Publicly available evidence shows two young men implicated in the horrific massacre in Boston this Monday, the shooting of the officer at MIT, crimes against others, and violent resistance against the police. One brother is dead and the other on the lam. And so the police have locked down Boston, Cambridge, Belmont, and Watertown. There are tanks and heavily armed officers all over the streets. They go door to door, without warrants, searching for the suspect.

The crime of April 15 was unspeakable. The bombers murdered three people, including an eight-year-old boy, and injured two hundred more, many of them maimed and missing limbs. An atrocity like this, of course, represents everything civilization must oppose.

I cannot help but wonder what the standard is that triggers the martial-law response we’re seeing in New England. If these bombers had murdered three but not caused as many injuries—if the sheer terror of their crime had not reached this magnitude—would Boston look like a totalitarian state right now? What if the police needed to find a serial killer? Or what if a city was home to lots of violent crime in general?

If the suspect escapes into another city tomorrow, can the police lock down one city after another until they find him? And how long will this go on? They might catch him and it might all end and Boston could be back to normal, if we can call it that, by the end of the weekend. What if he isn’t caught for a while? What if a future suspect implicated in a gruesome and dramatic criminal act next year manages to escape justice for months? Can the police now just shut down cities, transportation, and—as they did on Monday—cell service for as long as they deem necessary? Should normal denizens really have no say of their own on whether they will risk the violent threats that might await them outside? If they have no right to walk about freely today without expecting, at a minimum, serious harassment from authorities, can the same be true on any other day?

People tolerate extreme police powers when they seem temporary. The martial law after Katrina gave way to more civilized policing, such as it is in New Orleans. But what if the emergency persists? What if the U.S. becomes home to a crime plausibly labeled terrorism every couple months—can we expect a state of constant siege? Even then, the threat to any given American would be very statistically low. Yet the gruesomeness and horror could legitimize all sorts of overreaction.

Not long ago, American law enforcement embraced the pretense that it sought to arrest suspects and bring them to trial. The advertised standard seems to have shifted. In February, the LAPD appeared to target ex-cop Chris Dorner, who allegedly murdered police and families of police, for summary liquidation. They drove around shooting at trucks they thought might contain the suspect. They surrounded him in a cabin, deployed CS gas, and the building went up in flames. Almost no one make a big deal of the fact of what had happened—everyone just assumed he was guilty and that there was no reasonable way to apprehend him alive. Or people didn’t care.

more at link...

Also see, Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.

Opinion, of course, but isn't that what it really all is? Reality is what you can get away with...

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19, 2013 8:33:09 PM | 65

The Posse Comitatus Act states that: Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Posse Comitatus applies only to federal troops, not National Guard troops under state control (as in Boston). Despite this, federal troops are routinely used for policing, such as at the recent inaugural.

Service member support has been vital to every inauguration since then, and this year is no different, military officials said here today during a press conference at the D.C. Armory. In all, they said, about 13,500 service members from the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard will participate in the 57th Presidential Inauguration on Jan. 21, 2013, in ways ranging from logistical and ceremonial support to law enforcement.

Somewhere I had a quote from Homeland Security to the effect that Posse Comitatus is obsolete and ineffective, but I can't find it. I doubt that the Feds care much about it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2013 8:41:04 PM | 66

Bostonbombing suspect Tsarnaev's VK page http://vk.com/id160300242 features an FSA propaganda video: http://vk.com/video160300242_164905736

Posted by: brian | Apr 19, 2013 9:18:33 PM | 67

usa "the land of the free" and the lighthouse of democracy.

After bringing freedom - usa style - and "democracy", preferably the paid for and weaponized variant, to other countries for half a century they feed their own populace with it.

Anyone surprised?

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Apr 19, 2013 9:23:44 PM | 68

US ignorance forced Czech Ambassador to release statement that theyre not Chechnya http://www.mzv.cz/washington/en/czech_u_s_relations/news/statement_of_the_ambassador_of_the_czech.html … weasel says 'we are reliable US ally' and makes point that checnhya is part of russian federatin ('whereas they are not but loyal US ally!

Posted by: brian | Apr 19, 2013 9:30:43 PM | 69

@66

It appears that you very delusional about Law in mafia-capitalism society. It exists for formal reasons only. If legislator deemed it country as "battlefield" than any sensible conversation and power of argument is exercise in futility. In particular when we are talking about a aristocracy/politicians. They are running away from empathy and compassion like the devil from the cross. They lexicon/language is violent hence their actions. In order to exploit everybody and anything it's functioning on basis: Lie > Deceive > Coerce > Murder. That's how is a system set up, all thee branches.

Posted by: neretva'43 | Apr 19, 2013 9:41:41 PM | 70

1 suspect brought in slice but "severely wounded", earlier a CNN host said " America doesn't answer violence with violence" ignoring the past 12 years (if that's where we start), some ppl wanted no Miranda for whatever, Teitter was racist as usual, Obama will give nationalistic, jingoistic speech, who knows what "group" this guy will be forced to say he likes, but pretty sure this shot is not over. Staff sgt Robert bales is still in holding almost a year after he stabbed, shot,then burned all those afghans. That's justice of course

Posted by: Jose Rios | Apr 19, 2013 10:49:29 PM | 71

How convenient for the world's most notorious Islamophobes and the Islamophobe state who wants to attack Iran! Now because of this Marathon bombing and internationally-viral Muslim manhunt marathon, Muslim hatred will return to an all-time high and these notorious Islamophobes will have no problem justifying their continuing war on Islam and making palatable another massive slaughter of Muslims to the ignorant masses.

It's this easy:

Entrapment: U.S. intelligence services spy on a Muslim of any stripe or an Islamophobe fingers a Muslim to them who appears disillusioned with American morality and barbaric acts perpetrated by the U.S. in Muslim countries. This Muslim is then approached and befriended by "sympathetic, like-minded individuals" who pretend to “speak his language”, fanning the flames of rage, gaining his trust and flashing resources in his face. These new "friends" then lure him into a “gotcha” plot by providing material, and if necessary for an ultimate end: venue, training and means to carry it out.

False flag: Of course the disenchanted Muslims of any stripe might also be approached by foreign operatives in a similar manner to provide a perfect cover for a false flag operation staged by a foreign country to move American public opinion to support a foreign agenda by merely pointing the way while the Muslim individuals commit the crime themselves which will in turn again create fertile ground with the public for that foreign country’s agenda to be executed without the slightest resistance.

Location, Location, Location: And note of course how these Muslim terrorists always seem to pick majority-liberal cities where Islamophobia is not as high and the war incentive, very low. In other words by staging these terrorist acts in Liberal Country, EVERYONE on the right AND THE LEFT ENDS UP ON BOARD WITH THE PROGRAM, especially with the help of the enabling mainstream who then take over to further inculcate fear and loathing of Muslims.

Media collusion: And predictably, the tube indoctrination is happening exactly NOW and the masses are cheering and lapping it up.

Posted by: kalithea | Apr 19, 2013 10:49:59 PM | 72

@47 Mr. Pragma--

Credible scenerio, and well-argued!

By the way, the "pressure-cooker bomb" does not seem likely. The initial photos from the marathon seem to show lower limbs amputated across a wide patch of the street. That takes a directed blast, i.e., a shaped charge. Possible, yes, but that is professional-level bomb design. If it was the brothers, who trained them? If it was not, as seems more likely, the whole hoopla (the theatrical man-hunt and shutting down Boston is literally unprecedented in USA) sort of explains itself.

Looks a lot like US Ops in Iraq.

As always, who benefits?

--Gaianne

Posted by: Gaianne | Apr 19, 2013 10:50:16 PM | 73

Just like the anthrax attacks, and 9/11, we will NEVER know the whole truth. Everyone that knew this kid, (so-called "suspect # 2"), can't believe he was capable of this behaviour. The whole thing is truly inexplicable, and whatever we opine about it can only be considered conjecture. Bizarre, really, everything about it.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Apr 19, 2013 10:57:43 PM | 74

I don't have any comment on what did or didn't go down. There was all these rumors about a missing Brown University student, one Sunil Tripathi, being one of the bombers (missing for a month, the FBI was strangely involved in the case, family had a facebook site looking for him filled with odd coincidences mentioning the marathon - to my paranoid mind it looked like a page run by the FBI, full of veiled threats to try and flush him out or throw him off). But that appears to not be the case at all.

My real point is just a simple observation. I do always like seeing how, when shit like this goes down, just how powerful and able to control the country our government really is. 9/11? Every single TV/cable station plays the exact same thing for a week. Marathon bombing? Entire metro area turned into a police state ghost town.

Just impressive to see the "turn-key totalitarian state" get the key turned...

Posted by: guest | Apr 19, 2013 11:15:33 PM | 75

What Is the Threshold for Martial Law?

By Anthony Gregory | Friday April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM PDT

It seems simple enough. Publicly available evidence shows two young men implicated in the horrific massacre in Boston this Monday, the shooting of the officer at MIT, crimes against others, and violent resistance against the police. One brother is dead and the other on the lam. And so the police have locked down Boston, Cambridge, Belmont, and Watertown. There are tanks and heavily armed officers all over the streets. They go door to door, without warrants, searching for the suspect.

The crime of April 15 was unspeakable. The bombers murdered three people, including an eight-year-old boy, and injured two hundred more, many of them maimed and missing limbs. An atrocity like this, of course, represents everything civilization must oppose.

I cannot help but wonder what the standard is that triggers the martial-law response we’re seeing in New England. If these bombers had murdered three but not caused as many injuries—if the sheer terror of their crime had not reached this magnitude—would Boston look like a totalitarian state right now? What if the police needed to find a serial killer? Or what if a city was home to lots of violent crime in general?

If the suspect escapes into another city tomorrow, can the police lock down one city after another until they find him? And how long will this go on? They might catch him and it might all end and Boston could be back to normal, if we can call it that, by the end of the weekend. What if he isn’t caught for a while? What if a future suspect implicated in a gruesome and dramatic criminal act next year manages to escape justice for months? Can the police now just shut down cities, transportation, and—as they did on Monday—cell service for as long as they deem necessary? Should normal denizens really have no say of their own on whether they will risk the violent threats that might await them outside? If they have no right to walk about freely today without expecting, at a minimum, serious harassment from authorities, can the same be true on any other day?

People tolerate extreme police powers when they seem temporary. The martial law after Katrina gave way to more civilized policing, such as it is in New Orleans. But what if the emergency persists? What if the U.S. becomes home to a crime plausibly labeled terrorism every couple months—can we expect a state of constant siege? Even then, the threat to any given American would be very statistically low. Yet the gruesomeness and horror could legitimize all sorts of overreaction.

Not long ago, American law enforcement embraced the pretense that it sought to arrest suspects and bring them to trial. The advertised standard seems to have shifted. In February, the LAPD appeared to target ex-cop Chris Dorner, who allegedly murdered police and families of police, for summary liquidation. They drove around shooting at trucks they thought might contain the suspect. They surrounded him in a cabin, deployed CS gas, and the building went up in flames. Almost no one make a big deal of the fact of what had happened—everyone just assumed he was guilty and that there was no reasonable way to apprehend him alive. Or people didn’t care.

The same is true of Dzhokar Tsarnaev, the nineteen-year-old suspect who managed to escape an army of law enforcement. Everyone assumes he’s guilty, and I would surely bet that he is, but that is not supposed to be America’s standard of legal justice. We also have every reason to want him alive, to know about his motives, to learn as much as we can to guard against future threats. Yet the standards of guilt have seemed to decline in recent memory, along with the standards for the state abolishing civil liberty. And in this case, even if he’s certainly guilty, the standards for how the state tries to bring someone into custody seem to have eroded as well.

We see the danger inherent in state power. The police are conducting the most pedestrian, universally assumed valid function of government. They are going after a murderer who appears to be armed and dangerous and a continuing threat. And in this pursuit, they have turned several cities into what look like police states by any reasonable measure. This demonstrates that the core nature of the state, its monopoly on crime control, always holds the potential for a full-blown security state and a total abolition of public liberty. What matters most is a culture wary of state power in any and all manifestations.

Yes, the lockdown will eventually ratchet back, but I fear this is only a hint of what is to come. On the one hand, we can say the suspect allegedly committed a particularly insidious crime and poses an especially frightening threat, and so the police reaction is either no cause for alarm, or at least something that will pass. On the other hand, all it took was a couple people with a couple bombs made from pressure cookers, and they managed to provoke the kind of full-scale lockdown you’d expect in response to a genuine invasion by a fully armed and manned military force. Monday showed us how fragile life and social tranquility are. Today shows us how fragile liberty is.

There is nothing we can do to fully overcome the vulnerability of life, unfortunately. There is something we can do, however, to shield against the vulnerability of liberty. We can start by at least asking questions about whether what is happening in Boston is the best response even to the bloody terror of this week.


Also see, Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.

Opinion, but what isn't? Reality is what you can get away with...

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19, 2013 11:19:25 PM | 76

I wonder if suspect no. 2 is being worked on and resuscitated for a session of torture, another workover? I mean "intelligence" services have to make it look good before he's finally pronounced dead.

Posted by: kalithea | Apr 19, 2013 11:47:22 PM | 77

Well they got him alive, it seems. Let's see if he can/will talk.

The whole situation resembles the case of Mohamed Merah a lot, though the French police did not find it necessary to close down Toulouse.

Asking questions is the only thing people can do. A very good question would be - if, as the mother claims and is likely to be true - the FBI had Tamerlan on the watch already as an extremist leader - why was it impossible to compare the photographs with the photos in their own archives, why was it necessary to take the risky step for a public internet hunt warning them that their identity was known?

And this intimate description of the family sounds believable - and very much like Mohamed Merah's family - and there are many more families like this in the US and Europe - so yes, there is a problem.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 20, 2013 12:40:11 AM | 78

"And this intimate description of the family sounds believable - and very much like Mohamed Merah's family - and there are many more families like this in the US and Europe - so yes, there is a problem."

let me try and guess . . . . is it a MUSLIM problem, by any chance?

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 20, 2013 1:07:38 AM | 79

Well, that didn't take long at all: Iran behind Boston bombings!
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/boston-bombers-followers-of-irans-ayatollah/?cat_orig=world

Posted by: Paul | Apr 20, 2013 1:18:24 AM | 80

79) Obviously not. Or do you think the Christian religion equals Christian fundamentalists, or the Jewish religion is defined by Mehir Kahane?

Posted by: somebody | Apr 20, 2013 1:27:49 AM | 81

http://i.imgur.com/jCgAf8Y.jpg

Who are these fellows?

Lower photo - prior to bombing at almost exactly the spot of the first bomb
Top photo - after bombing, standing amongst lots of emergency personnel (cropped - but I can't find the original)

This and the reported background of the suspects, combined with the report of bomb sniffing dogs involved in a drill on the scene prior to the bombing makes the whole thing smell.

Posted by: Jeff65 | Apr 20, 2013 1:49:35 AM | 82

The problem is the use of second generation immigrants for colonialist enterprise.

Plus the acceptance of Saudi and Qatari money to fund Wahhabi religious institutions and schools (and for outsourced colonial enterprise).

It is clear that this Cechen family considered the US to be on their side, wanted to succeed, and was succeeding if you measure it in prestigious schools and local area.It is clear, Mohamed Merah wanted to succeed within the French framework even offering himself to the French legion.

Now what conditioned the FBI Tamerlan's citizenship on? What does "counsel" him on the contents of his website mean, as his mother recounts?


Posted by: somebody | Apr 20, 2013 1:53:49 AM | 83

82 these are the Craft personnel photos
http://www.infowars.com/craft-international-private-military-forces-at-boston-marathon/

There seem to have been forewarnings - and that presumably is why the police reaction was so totally out of proportion -

anyway there seem to have been extreme security measures - which turned out to be useless ...

Its a real problem the Russians say
- you will need airport security on public places.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 20, 2013 2:37:16 AM | 84

FBI Press release: 2011 Request for Information on Tamerlan Tsarnaev from Foreign Government

Once the FBI learned the identities of the two brothers today, the FBI reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011, a foreign government asked the FBI for information about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.

In response to this 2011 request, the FBI checked U.S. government databases and other information to look for such things as derogatory telephone communications, possible use of online sites associated with the promotion of radical activity, associations with other persons of interest, travel history and plans, and education history. The FBI also interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and family members. The FBI did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign, and those results were provided to the foreign government in the summer of 2011. The FBI requested but did not receive more specific or additional information from the foreign government.

- The Russians knew that the elder brother was radicalizing.
- They told the FBI.
- The FBI talked with him. (Confirms what the mother says.)
- Did the FBI try to "turn" him like it did with so many other nuts?
- If not why not?
- If they did turn him did he their bidding or was he running as a double agent (compare David Headely)?
- The elder brother was in Russia January to July 2012
- Why wasn't he (or was he?) under observation at that time?

Bottom line: The setup stinks

Posted by: b | Apr 20, 2013 2:57:22 AM | 85

Best case scenario; LIHOP. FBI was "following" the older brother for years. Likely to be an even seedier truth.

Oh and Craft International's logo? A templar "crosshair". How clever. Their motto? "Violence Does Solve Problems" (in old german script of course)

Yeah let's hire these guys for security. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 20, 2013 3:02:35 AM | 86

@86 holy shit. I think these private armies are the scariest development to occur in the US than anything ANYTHING in the last 30 years.

Posted by: guest | Apr 20, 2013 3:29:47 AM | 87

The FBI questions are now in a new thread

Posted by: b | Apr 20, 2013 3:32:31 AM | 88

You should find this interview on Atimes with Chris Kyle. He was a true believer in Iraq. He even claimed that soldiers did find chemical weapons, and the government for some reason ignored them.

Wow man. I we've moved from "Protect and Serve" to "Violence does solve problems".

Does it GET more fascist than that company?

Posted by: guest | Apr 20, 2013 3:32:33 AM | 89

"It is clear that this Cechen family considered the US to be on their side, wanted to succeed, and was succeeding if you measure it in prestigious schools and local area.It is clear, Mohamed Merah wanted to succeed within the French framework even offering himself to the French legion. "

This is complete and utter made-up pseudo-psychological nonsense tbh

79) Obviously not. Or do you think the Christian religion equals Christian fundamentalists, or the Jewish religion is defined by Mehir Kahane?"M

Since the only "problematic" situations you have mentioned so far have been solely what might be called MUSLIM fundamentalism, there's nothing "obvious" about your denials at all. If you were talking about religious fundamentalism in general, your denials might hold some weight, but you were not doing that. You so far have only mentioned situations where the religion in question is Islam.

So clearly you do perceive an Islam-related "problem", despite your attempt to deny that.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 20, 2013 3:54:06 AM | 90

Somebody, 78, perhaps it was necessary if for no other reason than NYPost and others were fingering innocents. The speculation was indeed getting nutty.

Posted by: scottindallas | Apr 20, 2013 10:00:56 AM | 91

89, there were tons of chemical and bio weapons in Iraq. They were old and inert, as testified to by Blix and Baredei. So, there's nothing unusual in finding old chem weapons and not making a fuss about it. Now that they're long gone, it's more useful the bring them up again, always be selling (fear) man.

Posted by: scottindallas | Apr 20, 2013 10:09:14 AM | 92

@somebody. I was more doubtful, suspicious, about the Merah story (he shot Jewish children and French military around Toulouse for those who have forgotten) than about this Boston Bomber Brothers one. Merah was discussed on this board, I’m sure you remember.

@yah..But, at 90. The problem is not a ‘muslim problem’ per se as is certainly understood by all or almost all on this board.

Sects and separatist movements as well as criminal milieus with ideological excuses (e.g. bank robberies in Switzerland in the 70’s) manage to co-opt and indoctrinate young men, occasionally women, to ‘join’ and commit or aid and abet violent acts, though the Sects are usually carefully non-violent towards outsiders, and only abusive and extractive in their close circle, for money mostly. That is nothing new, and it isn’t surprising, the way of the world. That those who adhere or succumb are often immigrants, or severely disadvantaged in other ways, is also comprehensible. (And that is without mentioning ‘patriot, nationalist, right-wing type terrorism’, which is another can of worms.)

The twist to ‘Muslim terrorism’ is that it is exaggerated, blown up, supported, encouraged, co-opted, even created, by State, para-State, and private enterprises that hold tremendous power, such as the MSM, certain international pol. actors, etc. It has nothing to do with Islam as a religion, or more broadly with ‘islamic’ / ‘muslim’ culture, etc.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 20, 2013 11:03:52 AM | 93

some here who see all evil in US and no evil in other imperial powers won't like this quote, which summarizes the chechen predicament--though its direct relevance to Boston is perhaps tenuous. I don't put it beyond FBI to be running these two "useful idiots" at all, and then messing it up, or letting the bombs explode on purpose to create panic in a false flag.

stephen kinzer, and yes I know he is jewish:

<<
The history of Chechnya is one of imperialism gone terribly wrong. In the 13th and 14th centuries, Chechens were among the few peoples to fend off Mongol conquerors, but at a terrible cost. Turks, Persians, and Russians sought to seize Chechnya, and it was finally absorbed into the Russian Empire in 1859.

Chechens are not ethnically or culturally Russian, and have now been fighting for generations to free themselves from Russian rule. Russian attempts to suppress Chechen separatism have even made a contribution to world literature, in the form of Leo Tolstoy's masterful novella, Hadji Murad, which the critic Harold Bloom has called "my personal touchstone for the sublime of prose fiction, to me the best story in the world."

Tolstoy served with a Cossack regiment assigned to fight Chechens in the 1850s – a stark reminder of how long this conflict has festered. A hardy plant, the thistle, is for Tolstoy the perfect symbol of Chechnya and its "desperately brave" rebels.

"What vitality!" a Russian soldier marvels as he contemplates a thistle at the end of the story:

Man has conquered everything and destroyed millions of plants, yet this one won't submit.

During the second world war, Stalin accused the Chechens of collaborating with the Nazis – a credible charge, since Chechens will ally themselves with anyone who might help them throw off Russian rule. He deported the entire Chechen population to Siberia and Kazakhstan. Tens of thousands died before he permitted their return after the war.

The end of the Soviet Union brought not respite to the long conflict, but a ruinous intensification of it. Today, Russia – driven by the steely will of President Vladimir Putin – is as determined as ever to crush the insurgency without granting Chechens any form of autonomy or self-rule, much less independence.

This has led some Chechens to take the path of terror. They are held responsible for crimes that make the Boston Marathon bombing seem like child's play – most of them outside Chechnya. Among the attacks attributed to or claimed by Chechen rebels are the 1999 bombing of a Moscow shopping center, in which 64 people were killed; the 2002 siege of a theater, also in Moscow, that resulted in 120 deaths; the 2004 attack on a school in the town of Beslan, in which 380 people, nearly all of them children, were slaughtered; and just three years ago, an attack on the Moscow subway system by two female suicide bombers that killed 39.

Russia has fought this long conflict with their own kind of savagery. Russian forces have killed tens of thousands of Chechens since the 1990s, and leveled Grozny, the Chechen capital, in the 1994-95 phase of the conflict. A separatist leader, Shamil Basayev, allegedly the planner of the Beslan school massacre, was assassinated in 2004, evidently by Russian security forces. That same year, President Putin named a local ally, Ramzan Kadyrov, to run Chechnya for him.
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Posted by: kodlu | Apr 20, 2013 8:26:46 PM | 94

"What is the religion of the owner of the neglected fertilizer factory that blew up in Texas?"

I'm not sure what it calls itself, but it's the religion which is adamantly opposed to blast walls, deluge-curtains, regular inspections and reports, and some of it's most pious adherents claim that handling anhydrous without the proper facilities is a protected religious rite. What do they call that faith?

Posted by: Mooser | Apr 21, 2013 12:32:45 PM | 95

"Wow man. I we've moved from "Protect and Serve" to "Violence does solve problems".

Hey we've been watching violence solve problems our whole lives. And why should we ruin our fun by considereing that the needs of the script dictate what the violence does? Much more fun to believe it's true. Psst, don't tell the kids it's not real, that violence won't solve problems. They'll just end up hippies and refuse to enlist.
And by the time they find out it's not true, that violence is just violence, they'll be too heavily invested in it to change.

Posted by: Mooser | Apr 21, 2013 12:39:47 PM | 96

"What do they call that faith?"

First Church of the Latter Day Incompetents?

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 21, 2013 1:00:56 PM | 97

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