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March 22, 2013

The Pathetic Media - Part CXXIV

An African journalist interviewing the President of the United States and then writing about "President Obama Barack Hussein" would be laughed out of town by the Washington media establishment.

"How can such an unintelligent amateur attempt to write about the United States?" "Don't they have editors in their pathetic media?"

But when the Washington Post's Craig Whitlock writes about a new imperial drone base in Niger details like the Niger presidents name do not matter at all (screenshot):

Government officials in Niger, a former French colony, were slightly more forthcoming. President Issoufou Mahamadou said his government invited Washington to send surveillance drones because he was worried that the country might not be able to defend its borders from Islamist fighters based in Mali, Libya or Nigeria.

“We welcome the drones,” Mahamadou said in an interview at the presidential palace in Niamey.

For the record. The name of Niger's president is Mahamadou Issoufou with Mahamadou being his first name and Issoufou his family name.

That "Whitlock Craig" conflates the name of Niger's president, even after interviewing the man, is just a symptom of the rather provincial reporting the Washington media do with regards to Africa and foreign countries in general. According to the report the bribed president and his justice minister say that U.S. drones are very welcome in Niger. Yeah, sure. Why bother then to ask real people.

Anyone interested in the mood of other countries, especially with regard to U.S. involvement in their affairs, should look for other sources than those pathetic colonial court writers who dominate U.S. mainstream media.

Posted by b on March 22, 2013 at 05:04 AM | Permalink

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WaPo, Reuters, CBS- indeed the Corp queens at the UNCA reporters brothel at the UN have now successfully incited at raid on the only independent media source critical of UN policy at the UN. This is a year long (more) campaign involving death threats, stalking and surveillance and slander against him. Next stop is to evict him from the premises on whatever pretext. Bigtime SCARY. This is the NWO baring its true face, and the Op Mockingbird intelligence agents baring theirs':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLAE1gBPXNc&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: JDrones | Mar 22, 2013 5:28:57 AM | 1

This is the behaviour of a full-fledged MAFIA. This is outrageous:
http://www.innercitypress.com/unca2cbs4thq031813.html

Posted by: JDrones | Mar 22, 2013 5:59:41 AM | 2

too lazy to google I suppose. Mamadou is the West African form of Mohamed.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 22, 2013 7:37:28 AM | 3

no 2 JDrones, that is fun

Question: Sure. Okay. And I… I wanted to ask you this: yesterday, right after the noon briefing here, my office upstairs was entered without any notification to me, and I’m… papers were searched, photographs were taken, and so I am left with the question that I am compelled to ask here: w hat are the rights of journalists? Also, the President of UNCA (United Nations Correspondents Association) took photographs while this took place. What are the rights of journalists here to be secure in their papers… what was the role of UNCA in taking photographs and… and what… what safeguards are in place so that an inspection, even if characterized as something else, of an journalist’s office doesn’t in fact become a… essentially a raid where I could easily have been contacted, would have granted access… why… why did this take place and why… what safeguards are… are in place?

Spokesperson: Yesterday, a staff member with the Department of Public Information’s Media Accreditation and Liaison Unit visited your office to follow up with you on a question about the timing of the move-back date for the UN press corps to the Secretariat Building. On reaching the office, which was open, the staff member met with the Viet Nam News Agency correspondent who shares the office space with you. The staff member observed that there was a large volume of trash in the office, prompting her to contact Fire and Security personnel owing to serious concerns over potential safety, health and fire hazards. As I understand it, you subsequently disposed of the garbage that had accumulated in your part of the office. And just to answer your other part of the question, as a rule, DPI staff do not enter the offices occupied by correspondents unless there are circumstances necessitating such visits. And just to make it clear that DPI does not have the keys to those offices.

Question: Can I ask one… thanks a lot, I really appreciate that, I wanted to ask one follow-up. One, I… I am surprised that… that… that the UN Journal and… and other UN documents, many of which I threw out yesterday, were considered garbage. But my question is this: I have also received an e-mail this morning which asked me to remove from YouTube a video shot in my own office after the raid. When I arrived and found people going through my papers, I turned on the camera very openly, and I am wanting to know, does the UN… by what right does the UN tell a journalist to remove from YouTube a video shot in their own office of what they perceive to be a search of their papers?

Spokesperson: I am not aware of the details of that, and I need to come back to you on that, Matthew.

Correspondent: Thank you. Can I follow on that with a question?

Spokesperson: By all means.

Question: Is there any particular sensitivity at this time that we see rising, especially among the conservative elements in Washington, who after all are participants in paying 25 per cent of the UN budget, that in moving back into the other building that there is overt discrimination against journalists who do not work with State-sponsored media, who are independent, who are using new technology, and a favouritism to individuals who align with an elitist club that has no formal recognition in the UN, who have been given… who are being given a place to have a club function inside the reconfigured United Nations?

Spokesperson: I will take that as a statement rather than a question.

Question: Is there a consideration of the political factor, because there are Republicans who in the wake of the Heritage report are going to be focusing attention on cutting the budget of the UN?

Spokesperson: Look, I think you are conflating a number of points here. The move back into this building, the newly renovated building, has been long planned, carefully coordinated and has taken into account all kinds of considerations and requests. It offers now new facilities, new communications and I think that you will find that the vast majority of journalists are perfectly satisfied with the arrangements that they will have when they move back into the new building, and which you quite rightly point out, the renovation was funded by Member States. Of course, the United States is paying a large part of the budget, but all Member States have contributed to the Capital Master Plan, which is the renovation of the building. The point of the exercise was to make the building a more efficient place to work, so that we can work. “We” meaning United Nations international civil servants and the journalists and others who are here to be able to work in a more efficient way both for the international community and for the… in the case of the journalists, for the media outfits that they represent.

Just to come back, Matthew, to your question, about South Sudan. The Mission reported that last night in Pibor, Jonglei State, an SPLA (Sudan People’s Liberation Army) camp came under fire from unknown armed groups using RPG launchers. The SPLA returned fire and some 200 civilians sought protection at nearby UNMISS (United Nations Mission in South Sudan) premises while another 300 gathered at other Mission bases. The Mission reported that all civilians left by daylight. So that’s what I have for you, just to update you on that particular point. Yes, please, last question?

And this is the "news" of Innercity Press taken off Google - by Foxnews

And this here is Matthew Lee

Hooray to the internet enabling work like this!

Posted by: somebody | Mar 22, 2013 8:04:44 AM | 4

http://www.democracynow.org/

OT, but maybe not, as the film and expose about the El Salvador option brought to Iraq by Rumsfeld is being shown in at least 14 countries, not has nary a mention in the US.

But Obama wants to look forward, not inveswtigate what horrors were wrought in Iraq by the US under Bush/Cheney. And maybe still in place under Obama's extension and cementing of the executive power grab by Bush/Cheney....

Democracy Now! spent most of the hour on the expose, but there's no mention of today's program up yet at the Dem Now site.

Should have video/audio/transcript soon. Do not miss.


Posted by: jawbone | Mar 22, 2013 9:15:21 AM | 5

Posted by: somebody | Mar 22, 2013 8:04:44 AM | 4

your unflattering photo of him is supposed to discredit him? the look of his non-mutlimillion dollar resources is supposed to convince us his observations and reporting are invalid? No sale, bimbo.
Lee is better informed about the issues than most "reporters" at UN if you listen to the daily briefs online.

If you want the news by the corp whores at UN, then take your WMDs, dodgy dossiers, derivative omissions, phony Arab Spring and watch them. I dont.

Posted by: pope | Mar 22, 2013 10:18:40 AM | 6

Democracy Now is the slickest gatekeeper on the block. No doubt. Amy covered up 911 better than a thousand BBC's (did you catch the authentic ftg of their "Bdlg 7 collapse coverage" for 20 mins before it happened?)
She is another millin $$$ fraud. Her money came from Pacifica, which came thru Ford, Broadcasting Board of Gov- NED (St Dept) and ultimately CIA. Sure, that fraud is a real hero. To see how she has changed, refer to her disgusting 'journalism' aka the Arab Spring.
When viewers mistake big budgest and gloss for the real thing? Small wonder you folks have no reporting- you have no viewers for it.

Posted by: JDrones | Mar 22, 2013 11:00:00 AM | 7

6) sorry pope, you are misconstruing what I was saying. Or I was not clear enough.

Lee's operation is obviously pretty efficient in ruffling all kinds of feathers (and getting publicity from it). Good for him. The video by the way seems to have been disappeared from youtube.

The fun fact is that he is able to run his one person operation in this way without hardly any investment costs i.e. the internet has levelled the playground. And the UN does not seem to have a legal way to get rid of him.

This part of the official answer to Lee quoted above made me laugh a lot:

" It offers now new facilities, new communications and I think that you will find that the vast majority of journalists are perfectly satisfied with the arrangements that they will have when they move back into the new building, and which you quite rightly point out, the renovation was funded by Member States. Of course, the United States is paying a large part of the budget, but all Member States have contributed to the Capital Master Plan, which is the renovation of the building. The point of the exercise was to make the building a more efficient place to work, so that we can work. “We” meaning United Nations international civil servants and the journalists and others who are here to be able to work in a more efficient way both for the international community and for the… in the case of the journalists, for the media outfits that they represent

Posted by: somebody | Mar 22, 2013 11:02:53 AM | 8

"Anyone interested in the mood of other countries, especially with regard to U.S. involvement in their affairs, should look for other sources than those pathetic colonial court writers who dominate U.S. mainstream media."

Been writing that for years. And not just for reporting on other countries, but the USA itself. The American msm is a particularly dumbed down example of the zionist media, it's never been known for intelligent reporting, just base hype and prejudice. This historic lack of ethics and quality is probably because of a prevalence of the "used car salesman" mentality that is mother's milk for most Americans. When the zionists later made their move into media, they really didn't have to make many changes, the American media was already at the bottom, a bigoted, fascist mess of neanderthals who proudly wallowed in their ignorance.

Posted by: вот так | Mar 22, 2013 1:56:09 PM | 9

@вот так - last warning - the post and the media with regards to Niger have nothing, zero, nada to do with Zionism. Stop involving such nonsense in every other comment here. Otherwise you WILL get banned.

Posted by: b | Mar 22, 2013 2:40:34 PM | 10

"...the only independent media source critical of UN policy at the UN."

Nonsense.

Posted by: ruralito | Mar 22, 2013 3:19:56 PM | 11

There must be hundreds. Armageddon fantasists, American firsters, gun-lickers, libertarians...

Posted by: ruralito | Mar 22, 2013 3:24:55 PM | 12

well, AT the UN? mebbe

Posted by: ruralito | Mar 22, 2013 3:27:17 PM | 13

Posted by: ruralito | Mar 22, 2013 3:27:17 PM | 13

yes it is meant among UN correspondents. they are gross to watch in action. despicable entities

Posted by: pope | Mar 22, 2013 3:53:21 PM | 14

b - 10

"@вот так - last warning - the post and the media with regards to Niger have nothing, zero, nada to do with Zionism. Stop involving such nonsense in every other comment here. Otherwise you WILL get banned."

Your censorship about zionist influence is both revealing and self destructive for this blog. That is, if what you are after is getting to the truth behind the events happening currently and understanding their roots in the past. You are forcing people to pre-censor their comments while leaving ambiguous what they should pre-censor. IE: it's not clear what is safe criticism of zionist influence and what is not. Most people critical of zionist influence understand this influence isn't just Netanyahu telling Obama that he will continue building settlements on Palestinian land and Obama not trying to change that. In order to avoid being banned here, people will interpret your ambiguous rules about what may be ctiticised and what may not as "I'm not sure what is verboten here with regard to zionist influence, so I best not say anything about it at all". Which is what is going to happen here. The comments section will then become just another "liberal zionist" as I have seen many others censored this way have become.

With regard to your specific comment here, I meant the media was zionist, not that there was a heavy zionist stake in Niger, or any. I didn't touch on whether there was a zionist influence in Niger, I don't know specifically if there is or not. My post was about media, and mainly the American media, so you misconstrued my post to mean something it doesn't. Now if I were to find material about zionist influence in American media, which there is a ton of documenting this, would that be cause for banning here now? Same for documenting zionist or Israeli influence in Niger (if such exists)? You see what I mean. I'm sure everybody else here does.

By preventing discussion of this influence, and chilling commenters with threats of banning over these ambiguous "no go" subjects, you are effectively doing what the NYT and the Guardian do to prevent people being critical of zionism. You may think that this form of censorship of zionism's critics has some merit, but most people just see it as being a defense of zionist interests that is being done in a less than honest way.

Posted by: вот так | Mar 22, 2013 4:27:52 PM | 15

the post and the media with regards to Niger have nothing, zero, nada to do with Zionism. "

An intriguing statement - one I decided to test by simply typing " zionism and Niger" into a Google Search box

here's the first 3 results:

Police arrest 500 as group declares Biafra republic — The Punch ... http://www.punchng.com/news/police-arrest-500-as-group-declares-biafra-republic

Biafra Zionist Movement in Nigeria Plans To Declare State of Biafra ... http://newsrescue.com/group-declare-state-biafra-nov-5-2012
5 Nov 2012 ... July 11th, 2012 By Toluwani Eniola The failed movement for the actualization of
the Biafran State received a revival yesterday as a pro-Biafra ...

  • Biafran Zionist Movement declares Independence - Jide Salu's Diary
    http://babajidesalu.wordpress.com/2012/11/06/biafra-republic-biafran-zionist-movement-declares-independence
    Cached 6 Nov 2012 ... The real battle has just begun and President Goodluck now has his hands full to
    keep Nigeria whole. Biafra Zionist Movement that decleared ...

  • Which I have to say surprised the hell out of me - admittedly it is not NIGER but Nigeria, but still . . . I never heard anything in the Zionist Media about a ZIONIST Biafran movement, did anyone else here?

    Posted by: TJ | Mar 22, 2013 4:47:35 PM | 16

    "The comments section will then become just another "liberal zionist" as I have seen many others censored this way have become."

    That should have been:

    The comments section will then become just another "liberal zionist" back-patting club as I have seen many others censored this way have become.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 22, 2013 4:48:57 PM | 17

    TJ - 16

    The google search engine is often as irrelevant as their translating engine is. Put a set of simple parameters into it and one comes up with all kinds of unrelated material. Often first, at the top, if there is a similar spelled wikipedia "advert" or msm stories using one of the words in the search parameters.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 22, 2013 4:55:07 PM | 18

    frankly it would not surprise me in the least if we "suddenly" discover, a week/month/year or two down the line that there actually IS a strong Zionist connection to NIGER

    There certainly is in many war-torn countries in Africa eg:
    -----

    Israeli Blood Diamonds: The Global Cover-Up (Patrick Galey, Al Akhbar, 5/6/2012)

    Queen Elizabeth II’s Diamond Jubilee used to promote diamond brand that supports a Unit of the Israeli military’s notorious Givati Brigade (Sean Clinton, IPSC wesbite, 4/6/2012)

    Israel’s blood diamonds: Why the free pass from regulators and civil society? (Sean Clinton, Rabble.ca, 30/5/2012)

    Jewellers Profit While Palestinians Bear The Cost (Sean Clinton, Al Akhbar, 17/5/2012)

    --------

    That the Zionist Media might remain silent on any Zionist connection to Niger is but to be expected.

    In fact the surprise would be if the Zionist Media were actually informing us of a Zionist/Niger connection, before the US sends drones there

    Posted by: TJ | Mar 22, 2013 4:55:33 PM | 19

    Who are the Biafran Zionist Movement?

    More Google output

    Biafra Zionist Movement. An Ally Of Israel | Facebook
    http://www.facebook.com/BiafraZionistMovementAnAllyOfIsrael - Cached
    Biafra Zionist Movement. An Ally Of Israel. 394 likes · 20 talking about this.

    The Biafra Zionist Movement

    Posted by: ChrisOji, Enugu on November 6, 2012 in News 2 Comments

    The Biafra Zionist Movement (BZM) was founded about two years ago. The movement was founded by a United Kingdom-based lawyer, Benjamin Onwuka

    ---------

    well, well . . "founded by a United Kingdom-based lawyer"

    another organisation that was "founded by a United Kingdom-based lawyer" is Al Mujharoon founded/run by a UK-based Lawyer name of Anjem Choudary

    Mr Anjem (WaPo rules) has helped run/found at least FOUR organisations that were later banned under UK terrorism legislation.

    Yet curiously Mr Anjem remains free to this day - never apparently having incurred the wrath of Her Majesty's Gov't.

    Which I think anyone here can agree is itself a cause of concern considering that numerous other less threatening Muslims (not in the pay of the UK Secret Services I guess) have been jailed for things that a few years ago were not illegal at all, such as writing poetry, downloading a magazine allegedly produced by Al Qaida, onto a hard drive etc etc.

    UK-based Lawyers DO seem to have an amazing knack of founding what many might call "terrorist" organisations while somehow managing to not fall foul of the UK's recent changes to Anti-terrorist laws, while teenager uk-based female muslims, and sisters of accused "Muslim Terrorists", go to jail for simply writing and reading

    Posted by: TJ | Mar 22, 2013 5:14:19 PM | 20

    Mr Anjem likes to go around saying thinks like
    -----
    "Look, at the end of the day innocent people—when we say 'innocent people' we mean Muslims—as far as non-Muslims are concerned they have not accepted Islam and as far as we are concerned that is a crime against God. - Anjem Choudary, BBC HARDtalk (8 August 2005)
    -----
    Which certainly plays well in the Zionist Media.

    Posted by: TJ | Mar 22, 2013 5:22:01 PM | 21

    An open message to Bot Tak: I've been a contributor here for at least 8 yrs, and I find most of your posts and links here informative. However, b has a valid point. Your " Zionist behind every bush" theme, is sometimes tiresome. To a casual reader, the constant drumbeat of " The Zionists are responsible for all evil in the world", lacks objectivity, and lowers the level of discourse. Israel, and their treatment of the Palestinians, is evil, and needs to be opposed at every level. I for one, would not like to see you banned, and if you want to call me a " Zionist loving Liberal", Ok, but, it would not be factual.

    Respectfully, ben

    Posted by: ben | Mar 22, 2013 5:40:19 PM | 22

    [Turkish Airlines] denies establishment of new airline in Niger
    15 February 2013 /GAMZE GÜL, İSTANBUL
    Turkey's flagship airline Turkish Airlines (THY) has denied a media report suggesting that the company is establishing a new airline in Niger.

    Responding to questions from Today's Zaman on Friday, a THY official said company management has not made any decisions regarding the issue. A reports released by Reuters said the Nigerien government had announced they would have a 51 percent share, with THY to hold the remaining 49 percent, in the new airline. According to the report, the name of the new carrier would be Niger Airways. Niger has not had a national flag carrier since 1985.

    Meanwhile, THY posted data on Friday concerning their passenger numbers in January 2013. According to the data, the number of passengers flying THY increased by 23 percent over that of January 2012, with a total of 3.2 million customers last month. Also the number of passengers flying domestic routes increased by 9 percent, while passengers on international flights rose by 34 percent.

    In the data, it was also seen thatthe number of transit passengers went up by 42 percent in January year on year while the occupancy rate increased by 3.3 percentage points in the same period, reaching 75.9 percent. The number of passengers carried in the airline's “Business” and “Comfort” classes grew by 22 percent as well.

    In addition, the number of flight destinations went up by 15 percent, from 189 in January 2012 to 218 destinations in total last month. In 2012, the number of passengers carried by THY exceeded 39 million, a target the company had set for 2013.

    =================

    Am I the only one wondering if the rise in Turkish Airlines passenger figures might be mainly the result of the influx of NATO mercenaries/Fake-"Jihadis" using Turkey as a staging ground before heading into Syria??

    And is the rumoured [but recently denied] expansion of Turkish Airlines into Niger reason for anyone to expect the arrival in Niger of the sort of people that have been flying into Turkey and heading on into Syria ? :)

    Posted by: TJ | Mar 22, 2013 5:45:09 PM | 23

    ben - 22

    If I used the term military-industrial complex, or corrupted politicians or any other sorts of terms to describe geopolitical influences, nobody raises an eyebrow about it. They may disagree with a specific application of the term, and say so, starting a conversation about it, but there usually isn't the hysterical outrage, refusal to discuss it, and threats to silence. Similarly, when Christian zionists are specifically mentioned, instead of just zionists, nobody really raises a stink (unless one posts such on a Christian zionist site). But once a term is used that can be traced to anything Jewish, and is not used in an "all praise" manner, then all hell breaks loose. The problem isn't the repetitive application of the term, but that the term is generally considered to be connected with Jewish people. If it was not, there would not be all this sort of resistance to its use. In other words, the objections to mentioning zionist influence are examples of hypocrisy ultimately based upon a desire to perpetuate a form of Jewish exceptionalism. I've have been noticing this constant application of double standards for over a decade, now. Actually, I've noticed it a lot longer, like around 3 decades, but didn't fully comprehend the chauvinistic dynamics behind it till around 2002.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 22, 2013 6:05:05 PM | 24

    What authority does 'b' have to censor discussion of Zionism which is a political ideology? Is 'b' the MoA gatekeeper?

    For b's education, not all Zionists are Jewish and not all Jews are Zionists.

    What's the difference between a liberal Zionist and a right wing Zionist? Ethnic cleansing is not currently necessary

    Posted by: Yonatan | Mar 22, 2013 6:12:10 PM | 25

    @ 24 Bot, I have read your posts with appreciation many times and would miss your valuable insights if b follows through as well.

    It is unfortunate that this thread got derailed to a discussion about Zionism and Zionist influence, I am not sure we can understand developments in Niger and the broader Sahel region through such a viewpoint. Yes, I know you were talking about the media but it would still be interesting to read your and other bar flies thinking on what is going on with Niger and drone warfare in Africa.


    Posted by: thirsty | Mar 22, 2013 6:52:14 PM | 26

    speaking of google, google israeli + backpackers

    Posted by: ruralito | Mar 22, 2013 6:53:42 PM | 27

    vot, lurk more, stow your disgust for the well-turned thrust.

    Posted by: ruralito | Mar 22, 2013 7:28:02 PM | 28

    I hope all readers understand that b is living in Germany, and is subject to various laws regarding, hate speech, incitement, etc. I'm not familiar with the situation exactly, but loose talk may very well be putting the blog owner in legal jeopardy. I hope everyone respects that.

    Posted by: Lysander | Mar 22, 2013 7:28:44 PM | 29

    didnt know that. what a crock of rot. the heralds of freedom & democracy are back at it again? EU turns out to be far more hypocrtical than even the US. didnt know it was possible

    Posted by: pope | Mar 22, 2013 7:45:53 PM | 30

    thirsty - 26

    You have a good point there about new developments in Niger. That should have been the central issue discussed in the header piece by "b". It's what I would have discussed. But "b" instead used the gaff made by the journalist concerning the Niger president's name as the central issue to be discussed in a piece about crappy journalism. So I based my comment on his piece and discussed how American journalism has been always of low quality. My mention of zionism in this case was to point out it was not zionism that brought American journalism down, but that American journalism was rubbish long before there was any zionist influence in it. I mentioned zionist influence in the post because I often see people writing it was zionism that trashed American journalism and I specifically wanted to point out that was not the case at all.

    The article linked in "b" piece is about Africom expanding into Niger and it is propagandising that. To me, this is the important thing that should have been discussed in "b" article, not the given that the provincial American journalist writing the story made a typical American journalistic error based upon the usual American exceptionalism that has Americans believing everything going on outside the USA is unimportant and inferior. An attitude that is well known and the butt of jokes everywhere. The info dredged up by TJ is most welcome. Especially his speculation regarding this expansion being a cover for importing terrorist mercs from Niger into Turkey so they can further terrorise Syria in the current war Israel (yes, "b", Israel is main protagonist behind that war) is waging against Syria. That was pretty insightful of TJ, and could prove a profitable vector to pursue further.

    See this is the problem with this chauvinism regarding talk about zionism. No matter what the person says, zionists, and those guilt-tripped into thinking criticism/mention of zionism is an attack on Jewish people, they always warp the conversation into a discussion about whether discussion of zionism is permissible or they misrepresent it as a form of antisemitism. We should be talking about the developments in Niger, here, but because I mentioned the American media was zionist, the knickers got all wadded up and most of the conversation got warped into whether mention of zionism was permissible. The meaning of what was said gets buried under these fruitless, pointless derailings and the zionists win another battle silencing their critics. This is literally how trolling a site to neutralise it as a threat to zionist interests works. I know of several "teams" who actually specialise in this sort of internet work. And it works best when the site owner is on board. In fact, it can only work with the agreement of the owner.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 22, 2013 7:47:13 PM | 31

    "what is going on with Niger and drone warfare in Africa."

    population control

    Posted by: ruralito | Mar 22, 2013 7:53:25 PM | 32

    " is unfortunate that this thread got derailed to a discussion about Zionism and Zionist influence, I am not sure we can understand developments in Niger and the broader Sahel region through such a viewpoint."

    some people here would make exactly the same claims regarding events in South and Central America - indeed someone made such a claim not too long ago

    But when I look at the history of the area I see things like the American Fruit Co launching a fascist Coup d'état in Guatemala and then I remember that for most of the 20th Centurty UFC was run by two Jewish Zionist : Sam Zemurray and after Zemurray's death in November 1961, Eli Black a devout Jew with ten generations of rabbis behind him, took over.

    Then one can look at Venezuela and see that it has been the target of a campaign of vilification by the Zionist Media, falsely claiming for example that Chavez's Gov't was in league with groups like Hezballah..

    There are also the many many claims made by Neo-Cons and Zionists (often one and the same individual) in the Zionist Media regarding Iranian and again Hezballah "infiltration" into South American countries ( the area where the borders of Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina meet, on the Parana River)


    Then there's the Buenos Aires Synagogue Bombings, suspected by many as being an inside job/False Flag.


    So the moral of my little story is that though some may think "we can[not] understand developments in [faraway places, seemingly unconnected to Israel] through such a viewpoint" they would be wrong.

    Very Wrong indeed.

    Posted by: TJ | Mar 22, 2013 8:05:32 PM | 33

    @ Lysander [#29],

    Q: I hope all readers understand that b is living in Germany, and is subject to various laws regarding, hate speech, incitement, etc.

    R: MoA's IP: 204.9.177.195. Server located in: US

    [deleted - b]

    @ BOT TAK,

    It started back in '82 and it has taken years, if not decades, for those rose tinted glasses to come off, but once you look at it without emotionally fueled perceptions, the state of Israel [and all those who defend its current state of being] is/are the epitome of a morally corrupt acceptance, guarded by a force of perpetuated guilt [dead Jesus on a cross, get banned when mentioning or pointing at the gorilla].

    The EU's not run by zionists, but look at their [EU's] policies. Full circle hypocritical/hypocrites.

    Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 22, 2013 8:09:04 PM | 34

    @ вот так #21
    "Especially his speculation regarding this expansion being a cover for importing terrorist mercs from Niger into Turkey so they can further terrorise Syria in the current war Israel"

    Actually I was thinking about traffic heading in the other direction - Turkey to Niger, and NOT Niger to Turkey.

    But your way works too :)

    Posted by: TJ | Mar 22, 2013 8:11:19 PM | 35

    @ BOT TAK [#31],

    Off topic:

    Q: I know of several "teams" who actually specialise in this sort of internet work.

    R: Defend the Motherland. The now defunct Megaphone desktop tool. Needless to say, you see them here popping up when need be.

    Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 22, 2013 8:17:27 PM | 36

    "The EU's not run by zionists, "

    How do you know this? Certainly the EU, despite all it's talk (and that is all it is: just talk) never actually takes any actions (Boycott etc) that might actually put some pressure on the Zionists

    So it looks to me like it's run by people that either appear to work covertly for Zionists (Blair was a wonderful example, and then there's the current UK-PM as well as the Leader of the Opposition, Hollande, Sarkozy etc) or are terrified enough of the Zionists that they will do whatever the Zionists want

    Posted by: TJ | Mar 22, 2013 8:18:45 PM | 37

    TJ - 35

    Gotcha, I had Syria on my mind. But they need their terrorists in both regions, Africa and western Asia. They need them in eastern, central, northern and southern Asia, too...

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 22, 2013 8:22:13 PM | 38

    There is also Oz, south, central and north America, and a few in Europe wouldn't hurt, either.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 22, 2013 8:25:13 PM | 39

    so basically "keep your eye on the location of any new routes planned by Turkish Airlines"?

    :)

    Posted by: TJ | Mar 22, 2013 8:26:25 PM | 40

    United Fruit Co's Sam Zemurray - http://www.myjewishlearning.com/blog/history-community/sam-the-banana-man/

    "But Zemurray also used his power to save thousands of lives — especially Jewish ones. He convinced the Dominican Republic dictator Rafael Trujillo to allow in some 5,000 Jewish refugees escaping Nazi Europe. He paid for dozens of ships to help Jews in D.P. camps after the war break the British blockade, which barred Jews from entering Palestine. And when the initial vote to create the Jewish state failed at the United Nations in 1948 — but was close enough to allow for a re-vote within 72 hours — Zemurray went to work.

    From his mansion in New Orleans (later donated to Tulane, and now the university president’s house), he called several Latin American leaders and got enough of them to switch their votes. “Knowing about the work of Zemurray,” Cohen writes in his book, “certain yes votes that might otherwise seem mysterious — Costa Rica, Guatemala, Ecuador, Panama — suddenly makes perfect sense. Behind them, behind the creation of the Jewish state, was the Gringo pushing his cart piled high with stinking bananas.”"

    So anyone going around claiming that Zionists had little to do with fascist Coups in South and Central America clearly doesn't know what they are talking about

    Posted by: TJ | Mar 22, 2013 8:40:53 PM | 41

    @ TJ [#37]

    Q: How do you know this?

    R: In order to be a true zionist you can't be anything but Jewish. The KKK didn't have many 'blacks' in its ranks for one reason or another. As to Africa and Israel, the continent has been on the radar for a while now. Memories of Idi Amin Dada and the raid on Entebbe aren't fresh, but also not yet forgotten...

    Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 22, 2013 8:45:34 PM | 42

    TJ - 41

    That's a good example of the sort of influence that rarely gets mentioned. Most accounts of United fruit in the now famous CIA Guatemala coup make no mention of who the owners are, or their other deeds. They just mention United Fruit as a typical American corporation. It is these kinds of connections which need to be brought out in the open to understand what is happening now. This is also why making these connections is so fanatically opposed.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 22, 2013 8:53:43 PM | 43

    b, I believe your blog is being populated by paid disruptors.

    Posted by: ben | Mar 22, 2013 9:09:11 PM | 44

    The Washington Post was singled out on a show on NPR as totally ignoring the anniversary of the invasion of Iraq and its pundits' complicity in beating the neocon drums for war. If WaPo valued competence over toeing the company line, perhaps they would hire reporters who actually could get the name of an African leader they had interviewed down right.

    And speaking of the tenth anniversary of the Iraq invasion, there was a neocon connection to Niger in Michael Ledeen's forged yellow cake documents purporting to come from Niger. Apparently, the forgers couldn't get the names of Nigerian officials right on the documents either (part of what made them a dead give away to anyone with slight knowledge of Niger).

    Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Mar 22, 2013 9:24:03 PM | 45

    @ben #44

    You think?

    Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Mar 22, 2013 11:09:57 PM | 46

    @ @ 46: Now and then:)

    Posted by: ben | Mar 23, 2013 12:52:36 AM | 47

    I disagree with a lot of Rogozin's personal politics, but I like his directness and frank, no BS approach to geopolitics.

    Russia must be ready to counter threat using military force - Rogozin

    http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?pg=4&id=403742

    "Military force is always in demand in the modern world, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said at the Military and Industrial Conference in Moscow on Wednesday.

    "We cannot fail to see what is happening in the world. Military force is still in demand, and the threat of using it is a key factor of interaction on the solution of global political and economic issues," Rogozin said.

    "Shaking hands with its partners with a steel hand in a child's glove, Russia must show the world its firm resoluteness to defend the world and its place in it," he said.

    "The Cold War rudiments, both in their organization, such as NATO, or propaganda, such as Russophobia, forms have not disappeared," Rogozin said.

    "Western civilization is a condition of exhausting resources and is not going to give up the level of consumption which they got have been used to for a long time. This means the struggle for the access to these resources will become even more severe," he said.

    "Meanwhile, new giants with gigantic ambitions are entering the world arena. The 21st century will not be just a promenade on an avenue," Rogozin said."

    Notice there are no screw-ups with names in that report?

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 23, 2013 12:53:05 AM | 48

    'Government officials in Niger, a former French colony, were slightly more forthcoming. President Issoufou Mahamadou said his government invited Washington to send surveillance drones because he was worried that the country might not be able to defend its borders from Islamist fighters based in Mali, Libya or Nigeria.'

    why invite the very creatures that helped make Libya a stronghold of islamism?

    Posted by: brian | Mar 23, 2013 1:06:44 AM | 49

    Posted by: ben | Mar 22, 2013 9:09:11 PM | 44

    like who? name some of the paid disruptors

    Posted by: brian | Mar 23, 2013 1:07:36 AM | 50

    Latest from Penny on Syria:

    http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/

    brian @ 50: Old saying in the US: "If the shoe fits,wear it."

    Now I have a question. Is it your contention They( paid trolls) don't exist?

    Posted by: ben | Mar 23, 2013 1:21:45 AM | 51

    brian - 50

    "Posted by: ben | Mar 22, 2013 9:09:11 PM | 44

    like who? name some of the paid disruptors"

    ben - 51

    "Latest from Penny on Syria:

    http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/

    brian @ 50: Old saying in the US: "If the shoe fits,wear it."

    Now I have a question. Is it your contention They( paid trolls) don't exist?"

    In #51, are you, ben, claiming Penny is a paid disruptor? That's what it looks like.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 23, 2013 1:34:06 AM | 52

    @ 52: Nope. Penny's work on Syria speaks for itself. I believe it's some of the best on the web.

    Posted by: ben | Mar 23, 2013 1:40:25 AM | 53

    so who ben?

    Posted by: brian | Mar 23, 2013 1:46:42 AM | 54

    mea culpa by billmon,
    i have posted this in the open thread, but i think it is more at home here.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/22/1196307/-Mea-Culpa

    Posted by: Sabine | Mar 23, 2013 2:23:11 AM | 55

    46,47 methinks too, 54 think for yourself :-))
    wither that or people refuse to take their medication because of the side effects

    Posted by: somebody | Mar 23, 2013 2:50:04 AM | 56

    Posted by: Sabine | Mar 23, 2013 2:23:11 AM | 55

    satire is more suited to the Onion

    Posted by: brian | Mar 23, 2013 3:28:23 AM | 57

    b if you decide to ban Bot Tok for inserting Zionism into every thread, whatever the topic, then please do so. But you will also be enhancing the quality of posts here in general if you do so.

    Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 23, 2013 3:34:34 AM | 58

    ToivoS - 58

    The steadfast solidarity of the zionist internet troops is their one positive asset. Well sort of, given the pernicious use that is made of it.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 23, 2013 3:51:20 AM | 59

    ToivoS - 58

    I can see why you object to the exposure of, and reminders of, zionist influence. This sort of influence is not supposed to see the light of day. And especially, those who are not zionists themselves should not have their wee minds corrupted by such information. Zionist influence can only work if it is kept in the shadows. Once exposed, the power to influence is gone.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 23, 2013 4:10:25 AM | 60

    I suppose BOTique's purpose is to give real anti-Zionists a bad image.

    Posted by: biklett | Mar 23, 2013 4:20:09 AM | 61

    @ BOT TAK [#60],

    It's heartwarming to see those, who ponder the drums of liberalism so, well, liberal, will not hesitate to turn around, stifle debate, stab people in the back and get others banned.

    "But you will also be enhancing the quality of posts here in general if you do so."

    Can it get any more condescending than this? Wow!

    Expect the rest of the pack to come bursting out of the woodwork any second now.

    3

    2

    ...

    Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 23, 2013 4:21:44 AM | 62

    Daniel Rich

    "Expect the rest of the pack to come bursting out of the woodwork any second now."

    Yup, that's how it works with web sayanim. Been watching them pull their devious little schoolyard games for over a decade. They seldom change their MO, very much creatures of habit, as most herd animals are.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 23, 2013 4:38:32 AM | 63

    Daniel Rich

    Israel Shamir has a great name for zionist attacks. Very apt and descriptive, he calls their little organised group attacks, "the swarm". He describes the tactics they use in this piece:

    Carter and the Swarm

    http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Eng9.htm

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 23, 2013 4:52:17 AM | 64

    First, I want to support Bot Tak because I find his contrubutions usually very informative.

    Then I would like to hear b's and the barflies' opinion about this piece by Thierry Meyssan (who writes from Damascus) on Voltairenet about the new US-Russia plan for the Middle East, which if true would mean a complete overhaul of the existing situation.

    It is in French, Russian and German but not in English unfortunately.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article177546.html

    Posted by: Sidonia | Mar 23, 2013 6:53:32 AM | 65

    Sidonia

    Appreciate the support.

    I used google to translate Meyssan's piece, but I think I could understand enough to understand what he says there. It was written in January, when it was starting to look like the western nations attacking Syria might be backing off. Since then, the west has greatly increased their involvement "officially" (though probably not in total, since most was done secretly). The USA has continued to be cold war nasty to Russia, and have continued to press their missile defense. So, at least on the surface, it doesn't look like what Meyssan claims is coming to pass. The recent American moves could be a ruse, though, I don't see them ever dropping their support for Israel, or leaving the Mideast to Russian interests. And Russia would be foolish to believe anything from the American government, and even more foolish to exchange alliance with China for that with the USA. I don't see it happening.

    Posted by: вот так | Mar 23, 2013 8:01:31 AM | 66

    I am happy that I do NOT live in Germany. Say what you want about the USA. At least, the speech police cannot arrest us for saying the word "Zionist" or god forbid the word "Jew"

    Posted by: HIlmi Hakim | Mar 23, 2013 8:04:29 AM | 67

    Hi Sidonia,

    let me start by seconding your support for Bot Tak. Whilst it is certainly possible to overemphasize the Zionist meddling in global affairs, BT brings a lot of interesting info to the table. Plus, imo there is no harm in balancing out the near total lack of MSM criticism of the greater Israel doctrine and its murderous tentacles.

    I was surprised to see 'Yeah...but' banned, I thought he made coherent points and applied rational thinking. Would be sad if the list of bannee's keeps growing unnecessarily.

    In regard to the Thierry Meyssan piece, I think he is dreaming. The plan/project he says is being put in place between Obama and Putin is pretty much the opposite of whats happening in the real world.

    To best make my point, I have loosely translated the concluding paragraphs:

    "[...] In this project there are losers. Firstly, France and the UK, who's sphere of influence will shrink. Then Israel, having lost its sway in the US and now merely receiving whats just for the small country it is. Finally, Iraq, which is being split up. And maybe Saudi Arabia, which is trying hard to improve relations with some so as to escape its assigned destiny.

    The project also has winners. First up, Bashar Al-Assad, yesterday's human rights abusing dictator but tomorrow's praised Islamist hero. And chiefly, Vladimir Putin, who through his iron resolve in this conflict manages for Russia to escape its 'containment', re-establishes itself in the Mediterranean and the middle east and confirms its dominance of the gas market.

    I can't see that happen in the near or medium term future. If anything its the other way round. China and Russia are forging ever stronger ties, as China’s new leader Xi Jinping has this week confirmed by having made Russia the first nation he visits. Just as Putin's first trip was to Beijing when he got reelected.

    And to not be too off topic and tie this comment into the b's blog post, whilst the US is building drone bases in Niger, the Chinese have just donated $25 million for a hospital construction. The difference couldn't be more crass. The US motto of 'when it doesn't work with force, use more force' versus China's principle of soft power and non-interventionist friendly relations.

    Posted by: Juan Moment | Mar 23, 2013 8:47:03 AM | 68

    If they're into full spectrum dominance with an absolute commitment to Israel, then their ideology is, ipso facto, central to every topic under the sun. We may quibble about the right term for "them", but вот так's formulation certainly rounds up most of the troublemakers. Long may he post.

    Posted by: Bob Jackson | Mar 23, 2013 9:27:09 AM | 69

    No, "b", don't ban BOT TAK. You'd reduce the comic-entertainment value of this paranoid obsessive website by - oooh, about one angstrom unit down from near infinity.

    Posted by: Mick | Mar 23, 2013 11:06:37 AM | 70

    Thanks for your views BT #66

    You're probably right, but one can always hope...

    Posted by: Sidonia | Mar 23, 2013 11:26:29 AM | 71

    I've never liked clowns and to see them come out here in force and post comments about a person I've endorsed as my buddy/brother, scares the s*** outta me. So much for real and open debates, eh?

    Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 23, 2013 11:55:45 AM | 72

    The problem with explanations of world events which hinge upon the crucial significance of zionism is that they are simply wrong.
    I enjoy following many of BT's links and don't disagree with many of his analyses but his, affected,(for I find it hard to credit that he really believes it) importation of zionism into every argument is based upon a peculiar understanding of the relationship between the US based Empire and one of its forward colony/bases.

    This exaggeration of Israel's importance is very much in accord with the racist claims of those who entertain the nonsensical notion that those who practise the Judaic religion have displaced the WASPs, the Herrenvolk, the crackers and the Afrikaaners from their positions as master races. In this case the idea seems to be that in place of military power the bullies who defeated Egypt and Syria in 1973 (and several times previously) rely upon a potent combination of financial muscle and intellectual sorcery (exemplified in the list of Nobel Prize winners etc etc).

    It is a silly world view which is all the more sordid because it reveals a brutal insensitivity to modern history, in which the same idle trope has been employed, again and again, to distract critics of capitalism from the 800 pound, unaffiliated to any particular religion, gorilla of imperialism. August Bebel who called anti-semitism (particularly as it was being practised in Vienna at the time) the socialism of fools was right. Today anti-zionism, of the sort which holds that imperial foreign policies are controlled by partisans of the Israeli state and that, together with a corrupted media, they twist the rulers of the Empire into giving priority to the supposed interests of the followers of an extremely weird and irrational cult over that of the capitalist system, has become a distraction from understanding what is really going on.

    The ruling class of the Empire are certainly utterly indifferent to the interests of the Palestinian people, in much the same way that a century ago they were quite happy to empty large sections of Uganda or Madagascar to accommodate the fantasies of Theodore Herzl. And their leaders are very happy to bow their heads momentarily at his grave. But, in every case, they do so because they feel that they are advancing their cause which is to enslave the globe's labour power to produce surplus value.
    That is what prompts the US ruling class to pretend to believe in Herzl's folly. The pity is that it believes neither in zionism, christianity, good manners, the Great Spirit, decent education, social mobility or science, it just wants to have the freedom to do as it wants. And belch.
    Any ruling class that actually did believe in the concentrated irrationalities of any form of racism would dissolve much more quickly than one shrewd enough to select a man like Barack Obama to play figurehead in this crucial era, in which the Empire has much bigger fish to fry than the preservation of a few sub-divisions and some ethnically cleansed provinces on the levantine coast.

    Posted by: bevin | Mar 23, 2013 12:44:39 PM | 73

    - Banned вот так for willfully derailing another thread with totally off-topic Zionist nonsense.

    Note:
    + This is not because I do not want discussions on Zionism at my blog or for legal reason. There was a thread just a few days ago where my posting was about Zionism.

    + I want the discussions here to be on-topic and thereby valuable. вот так was obviously trying to make that impossible.

    - Banned "pope" aka "JDrones" for sock puppetry

    - Banned TJ for the inability to distinguish Niger from Nigeria and for helping to derail the thread

    - Last warning to Daniel Rich: Keep your comments strict on the topics and stop that stupid Q: .. R: .. stuff of yours. I do not like the "style" of your comments. You never seem to be interested in discussing the topic of a thread but just in casual nonsense replying to other commentators' opinions. That IS enough to get you banned.

    ---
    Folks, there are off-topic threads linked on the left on the homepage that can used for publishing your personal off-topic peeves. Keep those out of those threads that have no direct relevance to them.

    Posted by: b | Mar 23, 2013 2:09:27 PM | 74

    Back to the pathetic Western media -- as shown in the info from Comments 1, 2, and 3 --

    Looks like the MCM lapdog press can be trained to be attack dogs on the very smallest members of the free press. And toward the little people. But not against the Very Serious People of their profession and punditry, nor or the Too Big and Rich Too Fail parts of modern society.

    Inner City News has been one of the few sources which cover the inner workings of the UN. It must have been getting too much attention from the public, because usually the MCMers fight news from what is considered the left by totally ignoring anything from what they view as the fringes of reporting.

    Now, I do not know enough about all of Inner City's reporting to say it is blameless, but it seems the big dogs of the MCM (Mainstream CORPORATE Media) are trying to drive this runt out of the pack and beyond reach of readers.

    Does anyone here have more info on Inner City Press?

    Posted by: jawbone | Mar 23, 2013 3:16:23 PM | 75

    Bernhard - so Bot Tak is banned for 'off-topic Zionist nonsense'. You also state 'I want the discussions here to be on-topic and thereby valuable. вот так was obviously trying to make that impossible.'

    Your action of banning him is an insult to people's intelligence. They can read what he/she writes or ignore it. No-one is forced to comment on it. What next - banning those who oppose his/her being banned?

    I also notice you have post-facto censored the Daniel Rich post 34. The info you removed is publicly available e.g.

    http://www.as7.org/d/www.moonofalabama.org

    Posted by: Yonatan | Mar 23, 2013 4:06:58 PM | 76

    Thank you for finally flying your true colors, 'b'. The elders must be very proud of you.

    Banned myself.

    Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 23, 2013 4:17:01 PM | 77

    Penny's work on Syria speaks for itself. I believe it's some of the best on the web.

    Posted by: ben | Mar 23, 2013 1:40:25 AM | 53


    ben, thank you so much for that compliment :)
    It means a lot to me. It really does.
    I have just started my sixth year blogging and knowing that thoughtful persons such as yourself appreciate the work make the time well spent

    If I had more time to spare, I would love to do more
    alas it is not possible
    but, thanks so much

    Posted by: Penny | Mar 23, 2013 6:49:58 PM | 78

    @b#74

    On another thread, you stated your most important reason for keeping this blog going:

    The same people who pressed for the Iraq war are now pressing for war on Syria and for war on Iran. It is important to fight them and to debunk their lies again and again. It is the most important reason to keep this blog going.

    While I can appreciate your annoyance at having the thread derailed from the point of your post as well as the challenge of administering a blog, I regret your choice of banning bot tak. The main reason that I read this blog and occasionally comment is because it is one of the few blogs challenging the neocon narrative about Syria. The commenters here are diverse and sometimes combatant, but the comments and links often help me to make better sense of the reality on the ground in Syria and the conflict's role in geopolitics. I have found many of bot tak's comments and links to be a valuable part of the conversation on this blog.

    Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Mar 23, 2013 7:12:39 PM | 79

    Bevin @ 73


    "This exaggeration of Israel's importance is very much in accord with the racist claims of those who entertain the nonsensical notion that those who practise the Judaic religion have displaced the WASPs, the Herrenvolk, the crackers and the Afrikaaners from their positions as master races."

    Israel is very important. And was carefully placed in the ME for political reasons. To deny that is absurdity.

    Whilst i have no desire to get into a debate with you.
    I will state,that in my opinion, you know not what you speak.

    You are joining a political movement and a religious movement together
    They do not belong together
    Zionism is a political movement
    Judaism is a religion

    And the two have nothing to do with one another
    The originating zionists (creators of the movement- were not religious- they would have been atheists, really)

    The followers of Judaism (religion) were aware of this many years ago
    When the zionists sold them out.
    There are adherents to Judaism who are not zionists
    There are christians who are Zionists

    Equating this with anti semitism, is just silliness

    An interesting read from Jews against Zionism
    Why, yes, there are Jews against Zionism..
    But they must be "anti-semitic"?
    Right?

    When we fail to really learn from history, we are doomed to repeat the failures
    And that is the definition of insanity.

    b- I hope this comment will not result in banning?
    I do enjoy the occasional participation here.
    If not for the most disgusting troll at my place.. I would apply a much lighter moderation hand then I am forced to
    bot tak and daniel rich are nothing compared to what goes on behind the scenes at my place
    Good night all

    Posted by: Penny | Mar 23, 2013 7:35:14 PM | 80

    Thanks for that Sabine, at #55, I miss Billmon's writing... and feel, b is right our media is pathetic, however it's, methodically so; of that, there is no doubt. To bring back Eno's old (by now) neologism, it's, 'Propagenda, not propaganda.

    Lessons in how to lie about Iraq: The problem is not propaganda but the relentless control of the kind of things we think about

    Happy WAR CRIMES Anniversary, everyone!

    Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 23, 2013 9:46:17 PM | 81

    Penny @ 80: Said SO much better than I ever could. Reasonable debate and discourse has always been a MOA tradition.

    Posted by: ben | Mar 23, 2013 11:09:38 PM | 82

    75,jawbone - Inner City Press

    "ICP was founded in 1986, but has only focused on the U.N. since 2006. Before then, Lee’s publication was a printed newsletter that he says had a circulation of around 32,000. In its print form, ICP was a self-produced guerilla publication focusing on various issues related to the south Bronx. “We distributed in public libraries and takeout Chinese restaurants and homeless shelters and housing projects in the Bronx,” says Lee, who says that the newsletter was originally intended to “stir up homesteading and self-help housing.” This included covering the allegedly-predatory lending practices of major American banks.

    A U.N. forum on the banking sector and environmental responsibility brought Lee to U.N. headquarters for the first time—and convinced him that the place was in need of an aggressive journalist. He recalls witnessing a press conference with banking executives in which “there were only three journalists and the first question was, ‘Bank of America, why do you care so much about the environment?’ And the guy said ‘good question!’ and I thought, if this is what journalism is at the U.N., it’s ridiculous.” He applied for a U.N. press credential shortly after that, and says he has been able to finance his U.N. beat because of the organization’s unique support for its press corps. Office space at U.N. headquarters is free for journalists, as are transportation and accommodations for correspondents credentialed for Security Council or secretariat trips abroad. Lee has been on three of these, including a recent trip to the Sudan.

    While his infrastructure costs are basically covered, the rest of Lee’s expenses are supported by a steady—and, he says, steadily increasing—stream of PayPal donations from his readers. (Google ads and money from Lexis Nexis views of ICP content are also factors.) Although he says he gets a donation of over $100 an average of once a week, most donations are much smaller. “There’s no secret sugar daddy,” he says. “And actually, I’m fine with that. I think the more spread out it is, the better.”

    While Inner City Press technically isn’t a one-man operation (Lee has a small number of volunteers and has also had editorial assistants in the past), he doesn’t see much room for the site to expand. The site is largely sustained by Lee’s ability to work the U.N. beat, and to single-handedly conduct an audacious pro-transparency crusade from the heart of an opaque international institution. With no plans for major editorial or infrastructural change, ICP will continue to be fueled by a dogged journalistic ethic that underlies the site’s bare-bones layout and business model. “I like a press conference where you have two sides coming and you ask each of them a question they don’t want to answer,” he says. “Then you’ve done your job.”

    Posted by: somebody | Mar 24, 2013 4:46:38 AM | 83

    More pathetic media. The Washington Post asked an external author for a piece on media failure in the walk up to the Iraq war. Then it spiked (didn't publish) that piece but had one of its own writers pin a piece that says the media did nothing wrong: Double Failure

    WaPo is ruining its credentials (whatever are left) with this.

    Posted by: b | Mar 24, 2013 1:45:42 PM | 84

    BOT TAK, don't let yourself be silenced. Why don't you try Mondoweiss? I've seen an awful lot of comments simaliar to yours over there, and I see no reason why you couldn't find an agreeable atmosphere.
    So go where 'the goyim have their say' this place is probably all "Zionised"

    Posted by: Mooser | Mar 24, 2013 6:07:24 PM | 85

    And the WaPo adds to its tarnished reputation, making it's "WaPoo" nickname ever more appropriate, in letting Stephen Hadley tell lies about what was known about Iraq NOT having WMD prior to the illegal invasion. Lies about Iraq, 2012 edition.

    Egad, but the DC paper is becoming a veritable cess pool of non-journalism.

    From Media Matters, this NEW lie about 10 year old history.

    Also, from Media Matters, a post about PBS's NewsHour bringing NYTimes' Michael Gordon on as an expert on what went wrong with the journalism of 2002-3 and onward. Except he defended almost all his poorly written reports of the day. Sheesh.

    Posted by: jawbone | Mar 24, 2013 7:12:11 PM | 86

    Re: link at #84 -- Scroll forward and backward for more great pieces by Gregg Mitchell.

    BTW, I haven't tracked this down yet, but on WNYC this past week it was reported that a high percentage of younger people (up to 30 or maybe up to mid-30's) believe that 1) the Iraq War was a success and 2) same with the Viet Nam War...neither is believed to be a mistake.

    Wow, huh?

    But the Right and Repubs have worked hard and long on making their lies believable. And, now, they have Obama using the same playbook as Bush/Cheney, so maybe it's not all that surprising young people see the Iraq War as a necessary and good thing, Hey, brought down a dictator!

    If leaders can make absolutely catastrophic mistakes and pay no real price for that, maybe it's understandable that those not living through those mistakes can see the acceptance of these leaders as still viable leaders to be an indication that what they did wasn't so wrong after all.

    Posted by: jawbone | Mar 24, 2013 7:23:06 PM | 87

    somebody @ 83 -- Given that the UN is now acting as one of the primary enforcement arms of the US government, I guess seeing them go after a small journalist, a true gad fly, is not surprising.

    Posted by: jawbone | Mar 24, 2013 7:32:54 PM | 88

    b @ 84 -- Also, seeing a journalist of Gregg Mitchell's caliber kicked out at the WaPo is another sign of the times. There are many journalists who got things right, either about the illegal preventive Iraq War or the economic collapse and the banksters' roles in it, who are no longer employed as full time --or part time-- journalists by newspapers. The good ones get kicked out because they don't toe the line for the Powers That Be.

    Bad, bad times for all of us.

    Posted by: jawbone | Mar 24, 2013 7:33:52 PM | 89

    Gosh, don't ban BOT TAK, he's the most effective Zionist I know! First of all, he's always ready to take the most extreme Zionists at their word about how much power and influence they have. Second, he seems intent on convincing everyone that living with Jews under conditions of equality is impossible, since they will all follow Zionist dictates.
    I mean, if you don't want to do something drastic to us Jews, why not encourage us all to move to another country, and not bother you any more?

    How frickin dumb do you have to be before it isn't obvious that Zionism is anti-Semitism and anti-Semitism is Zionism?

    Posted by: Mooser | Mar 24, 2013 7:42:30 PM | 90

    Hadn't seen #74 when I posted. I am sorry, would not have posted had I seen it. Feel free to remove whatever you think inappropriate. (Aww, isn't that nice, I'm giving you permission to edit your own blog!)
    Again, I'm sorry, had I seen action was taken I would not have pursued it any further.

    Posted by: Mooser | Mar 24, 2013 7:50:57 PM | 91

    "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." -Noam Chomsky

    Look up my post on the delphi technique, by the Rand Corporation. Basically, the recent duologue about Commenter's here are interesting in light of the, collective 'unthought known'.

    Mayor Bloomberg recently said, surveillance drones are inevitable in NYC: 'get used to it'

    Mind you this is the premiere pilot $tate for the template of all $tates/cities here in the U$A, using Israeli tactics, (look up my PERF postings on all the Captains of all the police forces in America) it's the same strategia della tensione, the same they use on the Palestinians, ONLY VASTLY modified with your tax dollars. A circular prison with cells arranged around a central well, from which prisoners could at all times be observed,and dealt with writ large, a Technical Panopticon of complete mental, physical and social control.

    Bowie said it best, "This is not America". This is not democracy.


    Attorney General Eric Holder: Drone strikes against Americans on U.S. soil are legal


    NYC and Microsoft announce citywide monitoring system

    Always watching..

    As has been said before, but much more than in the whimsical way in which it has been said, "we are all Palestinians, now". I highly recommend you become aware of Sibel Edmonds Gladio B conversations with The Corbett Report. No not the comedian.

    Educate yourself: Data Mining & Intelligence Agencies

    It's coming... it's here? You will never see "shit hit the fan" or "everyting going down" as most say. I honestly think this is a common misconception or something that people are looking forward as inevitable but it will never happen as some are expecting. Crises certainly come and go but these come in the form of localized crises. So for example if one day shit hits the fan in the US and some sort of civil war erupts on American soil, it doesn't mean that will happen globally and most certainly there will be places around the world enjoying peaceful times. Let me give you and example from the past. Imagine this is 1938 and we have the internet and we have been talking about recent events in THE WHISKEY BAR, OR MOA, and the rise of Hitler and Nazism in Germany. By the time WWII starts, I'm sure most of the people here would say things like: "ok so this is when shit hits the fan". While WWII was certainly a catastrophic event that affected millions of people and devastated the infrastructure of several countries (specially European), the world went on after the war ended, and in fact reinforced the tendecy of globalization, cooperation between countries, new international institutions were born, and so on.

    What I'm trying to say is that I see a lot of people here expecting the so called police state to come one day and enslave us all, or that one day WWIII will start with a global nuclear holocaust of Terminator proportions to fuck everything up. We're definetly getting closer to these two (specially the first one) but we have to keep in mind that these changes come little by little, and by little I don't mean years, these guys think in decades and possibly generations. They won't rush things up, it's too risky to make shit hit the fan globally. Some sort of order must be kept in times of crises in the form of global institutions or whatever that will come to fix things up once wars, social unrest, or whatever emerge.

    TL;DR Shit will probably never hit the fan as some are expecting. Crises must be kept localized and some sort of order must be preserved at all times. Hence collective controlled cognitive dissonance via technology, Data Mining & public/private Intelligence Agencies. Oh, Brother! Can you spare a thought?

    Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 24, 2013 8:48:14 PM | 92

    test... b, I posted earlier, perhaps it's caught in the spam file?

    Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 25, 2013 12:54:25 AM | 93

    If leaders can make absolutely catastrophic mistakes and pay no real price for that, maybe it's understandable that those not living through those mistakes can see the acceptance of these leaders as still viable leaders to be an indication that what they did wasn't so wrong after all.

    Posted by: jawbone | Mar 24, 2013 7:23:06 PM | 86

    yep. that's how it works.

    Posted by: somebody | Mar 25, 2013 1:03:49 AM | 94

    @Uncle b, I posted earlier, perhaps it's caught in the spam file?

    Yep. Don't know why as I have no control over the filter's parameters. I check the filter queue at least once a day and free caught up posts.

    Posted by: b | Mar 25, 2013 7:19:02 AM | 95

    "Banned myself."

    Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 23, 2013 4:17:01 PM

    Think of this as your opportunity to learn to work the saxophone, and play just what you feel! Drink Scotch Whiskey, all night long! And die.... No, don't drink and drive. And don't sleep in the subway, darling. And Daniel, please, just for me, promise me you won't smoke in bed.

    Posted by: Mooser | Mar 25, 2013 11:08:14 AM | 96

    BOT- I too appreciate your posts, and feel the need to criticize. Your use of zionists to conflate the military industrial complex, CIA/US interests, NATO and the members individually is lazy and too broad occasionally. No doubt that the interests of each and all of these overlap to some degree, and advocates for these movements may be "principally" tied to a couple or few of them. Your rebuttal to this is indeed valid, we do hold anti-Semitism as akin to racism. But remember, we hold anti-Semitism as akin to racism. So, be careful, pick your words carefully, try to point at who you mean to. If you're gonna lump each of these interests as "zionists" you're gonna have a hard time convincing new listeners, and risk turning off those who sympathize with you--as they've expressed. MLK, Gandhi and Mohammad wouldn't do as you are. If you'll be more precise in whom you indict you'll be more effective.

    Posted by: scottindallas | Mar 25, 2013 11:35:58 AM | 97

    bevin #73

    I couldn't have put it better myself, but I'm sure that's obvious. Thanks.

    Posted by: Mooser | Mar 26, 2013 12:40:47 PM | 98

    Boston Boomer at Sky Dancing noted an interesting and unexplained tidbit in a NYTimes fluffer article about Ben Rhodes, formerly an Obama speechwriter (but not as famous as Jon Faxreau) and now an ass't national security adviser.

    This amazing tidbit is that Ben's older brother (all of 39 now), formerly of FOX News, then Bloomberg, is now the president of CBS News.

    Very handy for both of them, I guess.

    BB will be looking for more info, but it's a fascinating look at how some young guy got moved up the ladder...sort like Obama himself moved at hyperspeed from Illinois state senator to US senator to president,

    Posted by: jawbone | Mar 26, 2013 1:59:28 PM | 99

    Great link, jawbone, thanks. I remember thinking the first few times I heard Obama 'speak' that his speechwriter could only be some 25 yr old "fortunate son" or other, misusing words like 'enormity' and the like, in a disinterested writing style reminiscent of a high school debate tract. And of course they were, are, and always will be this until the entire scumsucking state goes broke. Right there in the beginning my cog-dis meter was off the charts - over and over we heard how magnificent these speeches were. Yeah right.

    So ... with Political Science and Creative Writing classes and daddy's money - you too can be a puppeteer!

    Posted by: L Bean | Mar 26, 2013 2:31:48 PM | 100

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